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The Kenny Report | 4 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Kenny Reports. Two price with you and
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  Speaker 1: I'll be back, of course at six o'clock tomorrow night
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  Speaker 1: for our Friday night show coming up on Kenny tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Though the disgrace that is Labour's age care policy that
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  Speaker 1: is seeing elderly Australians dying before their in home care
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  Speaker 1: packages arrive. The daughter of one such victim will join
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  Speaker 1: me in the studio and as Parliament in the Lower
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  Speaker 1: House passes Labour's controversial budget changes, including a raft of
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  Speaker 1: new taxes. The hits keep coming, including a slump in
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  Speaker 1: housing prices. Shadow Housing Minister Andrew Bragg will be on
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  Speaker 1: the line from Canberra, plus former Foreign Affairs Minister and
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  Speaker 1: Kenny regular Alexander Downer on the latest from the Middle East,
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  Speaker 1: including that drone attack on Qwait airport. First up, though
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  Speaker 1: Labour's November one changes to the way elderly Australians are
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  Speaker 1: assessed for in home care packages is falling apart.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I've mentioned on Sky before and I've written about the
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  Speaker 1: massive waiting lists to even get a package. I've also
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  Speaker 1: talked about how Labor and its rookie Minister for this area,
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  Speaker 1: Sam Ray, defending a process that is seeing ninety year
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  Speaker 1: olds being assessed by a computer program with no means
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  Speaker 1: to challenge the outcome. That is a disgrace. This has
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  Speaker 1: happened to my own mother and soon to be ninety
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  Speaker 1: two year old after an assessment last month that saw
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  Speaker 1: her classified as level three out of a level eight
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  Speaker 1: after an hour long Q and a session that was
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  Speaker 1: fed into an algorithm to then get a result. She
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  Speaker 1: will cope despite the impersonal process that was sold to
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  Speaker 1: Australians as a cost saving measure designed to weed out
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  Speaker 1: dodgy age care providers overcharging for simple things like pre
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  Speaker 1: prepared meals and shakes, or even charging one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: eighty dollars an hour for assisted showering. Now, what Minister
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  Speaker 1: Ray didn't realized was he was creating a deadly log
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  Speaker 1: jam filled with proud, honest, tax playing Australians stranded at
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  Speaker 1: the end of a queue that gets bigger and bigger
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  Speaker 1: by the day. Now here's National MP Darren Chester raising
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  Speaker 1: the issue in question time.
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  Speaker 3: My question is the Minister for Aged Care Older Australians
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  Speaker 3: are dying on the waiting list for support at home packages.
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  Speaker 3: Does the Minister take any responsibility for more than four thousand,
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  Speaker 3: eight hundred older Australians who were deemed eligible for support
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  Speaker 3: but died in the past twelve months waiting to receive
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  Speaker 3: appropriate home care.
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  Speaker 1: What a national scandal that is now The agecre Minister
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  Speaker 1: Sam Ray attempted this week to defend the policy.
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  Speaker 4: It is always incredibly distressing for families and of course
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  Speaker 4: for the community more broadly, where people pass away.
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  Speaker 1: Or indeed die.
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  Speaker 5: In circumstances where they aren't provided the appropriate care.
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  Speaker 1: He needs to be moved aside. They need to put
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  Speaker 1: someone more senior. In last Friday our becuse shadow Edge
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  Speaker 1: Care Minister Anne Rustin on the mess that now is
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  Speaker 1: this policy and the bungling that should cost Ray, as
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  Speaker 1: I've just said, his job.
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  Speaker 4: This government has completely lost control of age care. They
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  Speaker 4: came into promising the world in twenty twenty two saying
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  Speaker 4: they're going to put the care back into it agecare.
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  Speaker 4: All they've done is put the weight back into waitlists.
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  Speaker 4: And they're great with the headline, they love the announcement,
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  Speaker 4: but they have got absolutely no detail, no delivery.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I hope the Minister is watching sky tonight because
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  Speaker 1: I'll be joined in the studio shortly by the daughter
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  Speaker 1: of John Wilson, a ninety one year old who died
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  Speaker 1: waiting for his package to come through, only for the
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  Speaker 1: details of his care to arrive, congratulating him on getting
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  Speaker 1: through the waiting period just days after his funeral. Lynn
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  Speaker 1: Meehan will join me shortly now. Senate estimates this week
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  Speaker 1: was told that there were one hundred and ninety eight
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  Speaker 1: thousand elderly Australians. I'll repeat that figure, one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: ninety eight thousand Australians on HCRE waiting lists, waiting for
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  Speaker 1: either a package or an assessment, with Minister Ray seemingly
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  Speaker 1: boasting about waitless dropping finally five thousand, according to Julie
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  Speaker 1: Cross has reported in the News Limited tabloids, who's done
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  Speaker 1: an outstanding reporting job on this issue and keeping the
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  Speaker 1: debate going. Now Ray as clearly as I set, out
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  Speaker 1: of his depth and this whole mess needs to be
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  Speaker 1: handed to either the Health Minister Mark Butler, who already
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  Speaker 1: has his hands full trying to fix the NDIS, or
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  Speaker 1: to a competent operator who understands they are dealing with
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  Speaker 1: the lives of vulnerable Australians wanting to live out their
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  Speaker 1: final years in their own home in dignity, not fretting
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  Speaker 1: daily about their care. He Ray or whoever takes over,
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  Speaker 1: immediately drop this madness of assessing someone's needs based on
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  Speaker 1: a tick and flick interview and fed into a computer
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  Speaker 1: algorithm and health assesses humans being prevented as of November
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  Speaker 1: one under labor from overriding the computer's ranking. Have these
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  Speaker 1: people ever heard of robodebt?
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  Speaker 2: Clearly not.
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  Speaker 1: With NDIS sending the nation to the wall as crooks
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  Speaker 1: providing care wrought the system inflating prices of special needs
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  Speaker 1: and equipment. Age care, it seems, is the next target
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  Speaker 1: for organized crime getting their hands on pots of taxpayer dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Lynn Meham will join me shortly. Now Labour's budget, let's
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  Speaker 1: go to Canber. The tax grab bill around the capital
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  Speaker 1: gains tax and negative gearing sold as generational support to
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  Speaker 1: get young people into houses. What nonsense that is has
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  Speaker 1: passed the Lower House with an extended debate and divisions
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  Speaker 1: that now heads to the Senate where the government needs
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  Speaker 1: to do a deal with Yep, you get the Greens.
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  Speaker 1: Anything could happen. Housing policy between the major parties is
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  Speaker 1: now miles apart and it doesn't seem to me the
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  Speaker 1: housing stock is fundamentally being increased anywhere. Let's go to
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  Speaker 1: canber Shadow Housing spokesman Andrew Bradjoin just thanks for your
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  Speaker 1: time and know it's spent a long day in the House.
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  Speaker 1: Will this multi tax hit legislation that now heads to
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  Speaker 1: the Senate where you are? Do you think the Greens
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  Speaker 1: will do a deal?
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  Speaker 6: Well, the last thing we need is more taxes, because
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  Speaker 6: more taxes means will have fewer homes as per the
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  Speaker 6: budget papers.
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  Speaker 2: I have no.
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  Speaker 6: Idea what the others will do, but one thing is certain,
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  Speaker 6: which is that we will never support the idea that
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  Speaker 6: more taxes will fix a terrible situation. I mean, we
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  Speaker 6: have the most disgusting housing situation in this country already
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  Speaker 6: where the government as spending eighty billion dollars to build
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  Speaker 6: thirty thousand few houses a year. So now they're proposing
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  Speaker 6: to build an even further thirty five thousand.
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  Speaker 2: It's just insane.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things I wanted to check with you.
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  Speaker 1: We keep getting the government saying whenever they get up
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  Speaker 1: in a question time to answer a question, they point
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  Speaker 1: at the opposition and say, well, when the opposition were
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  Speaker 1: in power, they did nothing. They didn't build one house?
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  Speaker 1: Is that true?
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  Speaker 6: Well, between twenty thirty and twenty twenty two there was
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  Speaker 6: an average of two hundred thousand houses built each year
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  Speaker 6: in Australia. From twenty twenty two until now there have
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  Speaker 6: been one hundred and seventy thousand houses built each year
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  Speaker 6: in this country. So that is thirty thousand fewer, and
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  Speaker 6: that is despite an eighty billion dollar investment by the
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  Speaker 6: Commonwealth Government. So who could believe you could spend eighty
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  Speaker 6: billion bucks and build thirty thousand fewer houses. But as
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  Speaker 6: I've been saying to Katie Gallagher today, under this government,
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  Speaker 6: there's no guarantee that spending more money results in more stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how do they get away with making that stuff up?
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  Speaker 1: I mean we know that they lied about the capital gains,
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  Speaker 1: tax changes and negative gearing. How do they get away
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  Speaker 1: with Actually, I mean they do it all the time
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  Speaker 1: about medi Care as well, accusing the Coalition of trying
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  Speaker 1: to dismantle Medicare, and no one seems to ever go
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  Speaker 1: hang on a minute, that's not right.
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  Speaker 6: Well, we have to be strong in our advocacy that
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  Speaker 6: these figures are wrong.
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  Speaker 2: The ABS is the.
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  Speaker 6: Source of truth here, So that's where we get our
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  Speaker 6: information from, and we also rely on the media to
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  Speaker 6: do their job. And I think there's been some good
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  Speaker 6: reporting today out of center estimates where we were able
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  Speaker 6: to discover last night that fifty one thousand non Australians
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  Speaker 6: have used the five percent deposit scheme for Australians to
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  Speaker 6: buy their first home. But clearly the government engages in
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  Speaker 6: mass misinformation and we need to maintain all the time
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  Speaker 6: opportunities to remind people of.
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  Speaker 2: The facts.
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  Speaker 1: On that question. Of the fifty one thousand non Australians,
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  Speaker 1: so they're permanent residents, presumably are waiting or to become
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  Speaker 1: Australian citizens. I mean, you're going to be labeled your
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  Speaker 1: side of politics to be labeled as attacking migrants and
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  Speaker 1: not wanting migrants to come to the country. Should we
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  Speaker 1: be denying those people access to that scheme? Is that
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  Speaker 1: sensible policy in your view?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 6: I think it is because this is about Australians, Australian
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  Speaker 6: citizens becoming homeowners by virtue of using a Commonwealth government scheme,
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  Speaker 6: a five percent deposit scheme. So I don't know why
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  Speaker 6: the Australian government would be supporting the homeowners of ambitions
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  Speaker 6: of citizens of other nations. I just think you've got
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  Speaker 6: to draw the line somewhere. I think that's a clear,
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  Speaker 6: clear way to draw the line. And this change the
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  Speaker 6: fifty one thousand, it was only changed in twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 6: so they've frankly flooded into this system. And I just
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  Speaker 6: think the average Australian will look at it and think, well,
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  Speaker 6: that's surely a program reserved for Australian citizens.
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  Speaker 1: The whole thing worries me. I mean, you know, I've
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  Speaker 1: got two daughters. Way i'd be telling them to go
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  Speaker 1: and purchase a house with just a five percent deposit
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  Speaker 1: and getting a ninety five percent loan from the bank.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's just absolute suicidal behavior.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, look, by definition, these are risky loans.
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  Speaker 6: And the problem we've had is that the government have
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  Speaker 6: collapsed supply by thirty thousand houses a year, and then
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  Speaker 6: they've deployed this five percent scheme without means testing and
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  Speaker 6: without place caps in an environment where there is constrained supply.
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  Speaker 6: So you see higher prices at the entry level, and
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  Speaker 6: even with the house prices going down in some markets,
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  Speaker 6: in some quarters over the weekend, you might have seen
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  Speaker 6: the entry level prices in most markets are still going up.
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  Speaker 6: So this five percent deposit scheme, I think it started
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  Speaker 6: out as a small scheme was means tested for low
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  Speaker 6: income earners.
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  Speaker 2: The government have used.
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  Speaker 6: It and we also found out today that they've spent
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  Speaker 6: six million dollars of taxpayer funds to advertise it to Australia.
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  Speaker 6: And so look, they're good at the politics in the spin,
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  Speaker 6: but they're not so good at governing.
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  Speaker 1: While you were in cened estimates your opposite number, Claire O'Neil,
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  Speaker 1: a Housing minister who this week has been all over
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  Speaker 1: the shop trying to explain her own policy. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think she actually understands it. She was asked another question
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  Speaker 1: about it in the House today. He was a response.
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  Speaker 5: And the minister confirmed the Albanezi Labor government has acted
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  Speaker 5: as a guaranteur for fifty one thousand non citizens to
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  Speaker 5: buy their first home.
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  Speaker 4: Two hundred and fifty thousand people around this country have
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  Speaker 4: the keys to their first home because our government backed
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  Speaker 4: in their aspiration. Temporary migrants to Australia are not eligible
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  Speaker 4: for this program. I just want to be really clear
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  Speaker 4: for the Parliament about who is eligible. Australian citizens and
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  Speaker 4: permanent residents of our country. Permanent residents are not the
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  Speaker 4: cause of the challenges facing our country on housing.
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  Speaker 1: What sort of job she doing? Do you think.
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  Speaker 2: She's had a shock of this.
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  Speaker 6: I have to say she was asked on Tuesday whether
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  Speaker 6: a granny flat would be subject to the new tax
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  Speaker 6: or not, and she said that the new tax wouldn't
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  Speaker 6: apply to the granny flat in effect, but then it
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  Speaker 6: centered the estimates. Today the Treasury Secretary said that granny
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  Speaker 6: flats are out. So but I guess to answer your
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  Speaker 6: question on this issue, I mean the government have decided
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  Speaker 6: to make this change she was made in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 6: three when Julie Collins was a Housing minister to admit
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  Speaker 6: permanent residents.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was a very bad judgment.
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  Speaker 6: Claire's only defense appears to be that people who aren't
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  Speaker 6: Australian citizens should have access to these kind of schemes,
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  Speaker 6: and I just don't think it passes a pub test.
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  Speaker 1: Her response on the granny flat reminded me of John
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  Speaker 1: Houston and gst on a cake.
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  Speaker 2: The Perthdact cake. Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 6: So look, the government have given themselves godlike powers in
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  Speaker 6: this legislation, so they will be able to do whatever
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  Speaker 6: they want, and I think even the Greens have raised
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  Speaker 6: concerns about that, so we may still be able to
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  Speaker 6: and then the tax Bill to at least embed the
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  Speaker 6: key principles and design features in the law. I mean, otherwise,
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  Speaker 6: what's the point of having in Parliament if the government
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  Speaker 6: just want to give it themselves regulation making powers where
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  Speaker 6: they can just hit and make the laws in their
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  Speaker 6: ministrial offices.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's not democracy.
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  Speaker 1: Senator Bragg, thanks for your tom, appreciate you coming into
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  Speaker 1: the studio. Okay, As I said at the top of
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  Speaker 1: the program, I've spoken many times here on Sky about
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  Speaker 1: the disastrous NOPE that's my opinion November one changes to
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  Speaker 1: assessments for elderly Australians either wanting to access in home
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  Speaker 1: care packages or to in fact access an age care bit.
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  Speaker 1: Now you heard my view at the start of the program.
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  Speaker 1: My next guest, Lynn Miham, has lived through what many
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  Speaker 1: frustrated families mine included, are going through dealing with my
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  Speaker 1: age care. But for Lynn, whose family simply wanted handrails
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  Speaker 1: and a ramp plus a neck alert bracelet for their father,
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  Speaker 1: they were largely ignored and Lynn's dad, ninety one year
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  Speaker 1: old John will Wilson sadly died waiting for his modest package.
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  Speaker 1: Lynn joins me in the studio. Thanks for coming in,
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Steve. How long had you waited from when John
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  Speaker 1: was assessed to when you found out whether you get
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  Speaker 1: a package or not?
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  Speaker 7: He was quite quick. It was only five months for
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  Speaker 7: my dad.
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  Speaker 8: I did initially get him assessed in October when he
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  Speaker 8: was sick in hospital, and that was an over the
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  Speaker 8: phone assessment, and I wrote to mister Stamay saying, you
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  Speaker 8: cannot assess somebody over the telephone, needs to be in person.
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  Speaker 8: And I've finally got an in person assessment in the January,
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  Speaker 8: and Dad his package came through three weeks after he
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  Speaker 8: passed away.
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  Speaker 1: How did that make you feel?
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  Speaker 7: Oh?
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  Speaker 8: I just wish they'd given us a bag of salt,
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  Speaker 8: just so we could rub into the wounds. It was
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  Speaker 8: just devastating and bought more and more tears out. And
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  Speaker 8: Mum just feels like she's been punched you in the guts.
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  Speaker 1: You weren't after a lot.
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  Speaker 7: No, all I wanted.
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  Speaker 8: All I wanted was a ramp so my dad could
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  Speaker 8: get in and out of the house safely. And I
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  Speaker 8: wanted a call monitor. My dad had terrible perif.
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  Speaker 7: Europathy from his diabetes and.
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  Speaker 8: Couldn't use a phone, and all I wanted if he
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  Speaker 8: was home alone or Mum had a fall, he could
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  Speaker 8: push a button and alert somebody.
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  Speaker 1: My mother's got the same thing.
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  Speaker 8: You don't just alert somebody. And because when I rang
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  Speaker 8: up in January, I thought, oh, this is great, he's
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  Speaker 8: got his package. I can get all this sorted out
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  Speaker 8: before I go away in February. Then to be told
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  Speaker 8: ten month, wait, we just had Mum had to pay
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  Speaker 8: for it, Mom and dad.
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  Speaker 1: So you're a next nurse and so you took this
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  Speaker 1: on as a project absolutely and you've virtually had to
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  Speaker 1: work full time to try and work yourself through the
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  Speaker 1: mayre of the government. Now government tells us November one
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  Speaker 1: day made all the changes, it were all going to
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  Speaker 1: be better, Waiting lists would go down. Minister said everything
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  Speaker 1: was going to be great. You did have some success
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  Speaker 1: with Claire O'Neil, your local member. Yes, they's helped you out.
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  Speaker 1: But you have contacted the Minister Ray and the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 1: What sort of reaction that you got from them?
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  Speaker 8: I got absolutely nothing from Minister sam Ray despite numerous emails.
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  Speaker 8: I then ended up resorting to emailing Anthony Albanezi, and
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  Speaker 8: then I got a response from the Health Department saying
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  Speaker 8: we have done such a great job.
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  Speaker 7: We have assessed your dad.
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  Speaker 8: We've given him respite that he can use straight away,
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  Speaker 8: which we never actually wanted. But his low priority for
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  Speaker 8: a fall alarm, his low priority for a ramp.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about your attitude a suspectus like mine. The
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  Speaker 1: fact that you sit through an assessment where someone comes
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  Speaker 1: and asks a series of questions. In our case it
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  Speaker 1: took about an hour, and that assessment is then I
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  Speaker 1: didn't do. A computer into an algorithm and spits out
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  Speaker 1: a result and under the November one changes, no one
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  Speaker 1: can challenge that computer's result. Yes, how does that make
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  Speaker 1: you feel?
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  Speaker 7: I've had it quite disappointing.
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  Speaker 8: Dad was rated as the hot second highest package level
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  Speaker 8: seven even.
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  Speaker 7: But it's like I don't want I didn't want the
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  Speaker 7: level seven.
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  Speaker 8: I just wanted two pretty basic things. But to say
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  Speaker 8: that there's no override, no human can actually override what
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  Speaker 8: the computer spits out is absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Particularly for a nurse's life's been about caring for people
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  Speaker 1: face to face.
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely and doing assessments by actually physically being with somebody
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  Speaker 8: you know, and obviously the initial assessment was wrong because
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  Speaker 8: two months later Dad suddenly gone from a community home
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  Speaker 8: support package which gives him two hours away week, to
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  Speaker 8: suddenly a Level seven stayed home package. They're vastly different.
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  Speaker 1: People who haven't gone through this yet ultimately will need
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  Speaker 1: to understand, I guess, and I'm not being critical of
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  Speaker 1: people unless you go through it. You don't know that.
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  Speaker 1: We have parents who want to stay in their own home. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: My ninety one year old mother ninety two this year
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  Speaker 1: does not want to go to a nursing home.
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  Speaker 7: They're fiercely independent.
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  Speaker 1: You tell me about John. He was a teacher.
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  Speaker 7: So Dad was a.
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  Speaker 8: Teacher for thirty four years, taught at Bentley High.
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  Speaker 7: After that he did some water reader meet a reading,
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  Speaker 7: made his.
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  Speaker 8: Taxes, always paid his taxes, never disobeyed the law in
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  Speaker 8: his entire life. But when he needed a little bit
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  Speaker 8: of assistance, he didn't get anything. And the problem is
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: I was on the phone to some age care providers
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: for so long that the phone.
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: Just cut off.
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: You know, I'm still waiting for call from some of
• 19:00
  Speaker 8: them to return my call. And that was back in
• 19:02
  Speaker 8: October and I still haven't got the return fund.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: And then mysteriously you did get a call from an
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: age care provider.
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: Yes, who'd never contacted before once his package came. I've
• 19:11
  Speaker 8: never heard of them, No, and they were more than
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: happy to help me speak.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: They had all the detail. How is that possible, I.
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: Don't know, and they that with a flick of a pen.
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: Once I told him that he was deceased, they he
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: just disappeared off my gov.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: What do they need to do? They need to bring
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: back the human.
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: Contact, absolutely human contact, but they also need to be
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: able to provide the funding so these people can stay
• 19:36
  Speaker 8: in their homes and not fill up public hospitals there.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I think one of the problems in is they they've
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: let this system out to a third party, Yes, like
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: they have with n dies. And so whenever anybody and
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about everybody here, it's a small minority
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: of people, but whenever there's a government pot of money
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: and a provider is involved, they will in the prices.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: We've seen it badly in the Indias that can't be
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: fixed yet. No, it's happening with this as well. People
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: being charged one hundred and eighty dollars an hour for
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: a shower.
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: That's it's absolutely ridiculous.
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: And I mean we Mum did get a bill for
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: all of Dad's showers and I looked at the last
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: entry and I was like, Dad was in a hospital
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: with that one. And I contacted them and they did
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: wipe that that charge. But I think if you're not
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: actually watching what they're charging you for as well.
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: You need to be. There's no over you need to
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: be across everything.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: There's no oversight from that money. It just gets paid
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to the provider who then charged the client. Yes, and
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: those prices are inflated absolutely well. I don't think we've
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: solved the problem tonight, but we've made it to made
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the public aware of it, and I think the government
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: needs to get in and sort of out that.
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: Absolutely need to because we need to be respectful of
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: our elderly.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Lynn, thanks for coming and appreciate it.
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: Thank you.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, after the break, aucus is being weakened and unrest
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: continues in the Middle East, I'll unpacked all of that
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: with Chris Kenny regular Alexander Downer, plus a controversial AFL
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: coach could be making a comeback. Robbo will be in
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: next Welcome back to stup Price with you, Chris Kenny
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: is the way this week. I'll be with you tomorrow
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: night as well. Now, an Iaranian drone has hit a
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: passenger terminal in the state of Qwait in the Middle East,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: at the international airport. The pictures of it have been
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: quite horrendous. Hit there yesterday. There is one fatality, an
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Indian passenger, and sixty three people actually wounded in the strike.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: You can see the pictures of it there. It really
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: has caused quite a huge amount of damage and one
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: wonders why the Qwaitis were struck this various theories. Someone
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: who knows all about it for Howard government, longest serving
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: far As Minister, Chris Kenny, regular Alexander down to good
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: to see you again. Is that just a mistake? Do
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: we think that that drone actually ended up passenger airport?
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: I presumably hitting the passenger airport was a mistake, but
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: attacking Qwait wasn't because there are American troops based in
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: q Waits and so the Iranians every so often attacked
• 22:18
  Speaker 10: the Gulf states which host American forces. And it's a
• 22:23
  Speaker 10: huge tactical mistake because what the Iranians are doing is
• 22:28
  Speaker 10: welding the Qwaitis the Amortis, the Saudis, and so on
• 22:34
  Speaker 10: much more closely, not just to the Americans, but ironically
• 22:38
  Speaker 10: to the Israelis as well. So it's a stupid thing
• 22:43
  Speaker 10: to have done.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: What's you read on where we're at? I saw Miranda
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Devine in new podcast interviewing Donald Trump today. We played
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: a bit of that on Sky. He seemed to say
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: that he thought negotiations were still going along swimmingly. He
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: believes that the the new leader of Iron, who no
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: one's seen and we thought he might be permanently in
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: a coma. But he seems, according to Donald Trump, to
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: be okay. What you're reading on where we're at with
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: this is Trump desperately trying to find an exit. Rent
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: No. I think, by the way, the Trump administration would
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: be very wise just to show something that's very difficult
• 23:25
  Speaker 10: in this day and age strategic patients. So I think
• 23:29
  Speaker 10: they're doing okay, but they just need to be patient.
• 23:33
  Speaker 10: And obviously I have no idea whether negotiating where negotiations
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: are at, But in a sense it doesn't matter, because
• 23:43
  Speaker 10: either the Trump administration is going to be able to
• 23:47
  Speaker 10: negotiate a good deal which will include handing over the
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: enriched uranium or handing it over to some neutral power,
• 23:59
  Speaker 10: whatever that power may be, but also being absolutely sure
• 24:06
  Speaker 10: the Iranians are going to cease the constant attacks, including
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: through their proxies on neighboring countries and not least Israel,
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: so they This is the point I would really want
• 24:21
  Speaker 10: your views to think about. You need patients, And where
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: the Americans have the upper hand and the Israelis have
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: the upper hand is over the Iranian economy. Their GDP
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: looks as though this year it's going to decline by
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: ten percent, and that's from a very low base. Forty
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: percent of the economy is controlled by the IRGC, so
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: forty percent of the declining economy is a big problem
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: for the IRGC. So if the Americans can maintain that
• 24:56
  Speaker 10: pressure through the blockade of Irani imports in the Persian Gulf,
• 25:02
  Speaker 10: then eventually the Iranians will be forced into a good
• 25:09
  Speaker 10: agreement with the Americans. But in the meantime they just
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: have to show patients.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I love the patient, Siri. I mean, is the patients
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: to force the leadership to actually do a deal or
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: is the patients potentially going to create an uprising? Because
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: the economy is so bad, you have power failures. Presumably
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: food is hard to access, although in a country I
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: guess that size food's not so much of an issue.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: But you know, as you said, their economy is tanking.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: So which one is going to be rewarded by patients,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: an uprising or a deal.
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: Well, I don't think you're going to get an uprising
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: anytime soon because the problem for the public and the
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: eighty percent of the public just loathe the regime. The
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: problem for them is that the regime, through in particular
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: but non exclusively, the IRGC, have all the guns. So
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: any uprising, as we've seen already this year, will be
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: met with massacres by the IRGC, by the regime. This
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: is a ruthless and brutal regime. So the pressure just
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: needs to be patiently maintained until the IRGC in particular
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: recognize at least enough of them recognize that a sensible
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: deal needs to be done.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: The one thing to think about is Iran is the
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: Iranian regime is not united. There are all sorts of
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: factions in the IRGC and within the government, and they're
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: arguing the whole time with each other over how to
• 26:53
  Speaker 10: deal with the Americans. But the more the Americans are
• 26:59
  Speaker 10: under pressure to deliver an agreement, the more rapid they
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: are in delivering agreement, the worse the agreement is going
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: to be. So they just have to be patient and
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: hold the line for the time being.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Let's come back home Aucus. I saw the head of
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Navy in Senate estments this week saying, you know, trying
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: to educate the people asking the questions of him, that look,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with getting three submarines that have got
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: a few kilometers under their belts. What's your assessment of
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: where Orcust is at and how changing it from one
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: new and two used to three used does that really matter?
• 27:40
  Speaker 10: No, it doesn't matter hugely. I think it probably Richard
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: Miles is probably right that it's easier to operate three
• 27:50
  Speaker 10: submarines which are pretty much identical with each other, rather
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: than two and one more modern one. The new one
• 28:00
  Speaker 10: have modifications which the older ones wouldn't have, so it's
• 28:05
  Speaker 10: likely to be cheaper and slightly more efficient to use
• 28:09
  Speaker 10: three secondhand submarines, if you want to call it that.
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: I think they should expand this. I think they should
• 28:16
  Speaker 10: be looking at going to five or six secondhand Virginia
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: class submarines from the Americans to build the gap because
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: I think the final phase of Orcus, which is to
• 28:33
  Speaker 10: build submarines in Adelaide, I think it's going to turn
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: out to be too expensive to do that, and I
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: think we'd be better off having the secondhand American submarines
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: nuclear submarines and then replace them eventually in the twenty
• 28:51
  Speaker 10: forties with the Orcas class, which would be easier to
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: build in the UK than build them in Adelaide. I'm
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: sorry to say this as a South Australian, but it's
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: going to add massively to the cost to build the
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: submarines in that lad and there be any no end
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: of delays and overspends and so on between now and
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: twenty forty.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Agree completely, talking sens as usual, Alexander, thank you, I
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: talked to you shortly, Alexander Downer. There rather awkward segue.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Let's go from the Middle East war to talking sport.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Although a lot of people talk about sport as being
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: war on a football field. We're joined by each week
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Chris Kenny, Expert, Harold sun Foxtel Legend, Mark Robinson, Robbo.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Sometimes sport really does fabulous scenes. I just wanted to
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: mention this because I know you were heavily involved with
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Neil Danaher on your AFL three sixty show Collingwood in
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the AFL inviting NRL star Gay Arrow to the Big
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Freeze game on Mondays being diagnosed with MND himself the beast,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and he will toss the coin. What a great gesture
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: that is.
• 30:04
  Speaker 11: It is and Steve and even Beat of the Lands
• 30:07
  Speaker 11: acknowledge that they can get a war and not war,
• 30:09
  Speaker 11: but they can go into battle Rugby League and AFL.
• 30:12
  Speaker 11: And for Colinwood in the AFL to invite this young
• 30:16
  Speaker 11: man thirty years of age, this young man who's got MND,
• 30:20
  Speaker 11: to go the MCG with there be ninety thousand people there.
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: He will feel.
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: Which is already felt in New South Wales. He'll feel
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: all of Victoria supporting this young man as he goes
• 30:32
  Speaker 11: for the really the battle of his life.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Having lost a good dear friend of mine with m
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and D. It grabs you and for many people, including
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: my mate who died. Colin. He did not last very long.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: He was done and dusted in a year after, you know,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: a very fit and healthy life. So let's hope the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: young fella can get some help in the US where
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I think he's headed now, Robert, you're Essendon through and through.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Gladly for me, Essendon has shut up this week about
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: who's going to coach them. What's the latest on the
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: return of our prodigal son Jimmy Hurd?
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: Well, the latest Well, at the moment, Dave, there's no latest.
• 31:10
  Speaker 11: I mean, the two biggest stories in footy outside of
• 31:13
  Speaker 11: the Games this weekend has been the grief and preparation
• 31:16
  Speaker 11: for the freeze of the g with Neil Danaher and
• 31:18
  Speaker 11: of course James who putting his hand up to coachesting again.
• 31:23
  Speaker 11: And there's been lots of centermeters written and there's been
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: lots and lots of ours of discussion about it, but
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: the story has hit a bit of a plateau at
• 31:33
  Speaker 11: the moment as of my understanding as of today, Andrew Welsh,
• 31:37
  Speaker 11: yes and President, had to spoken of James, and James
• 31:40
  Speaker 11: hadn't called Andrew Welsh. So at the moment it's just
• 31:45
  Speaker 11: a groundswell I think in supportive Herd and this weekend
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: at training I think there's a big batch of Ester
• 31:51
  Speaker 11: and supporters turning up to not protest, but make their
• 31:54
  Speaker 11: feelings known. That they want her. But it's an interesting situation.
• 32:00
  Speaker 11: Friend Andrew Welsh, he's kept these he's kept these thoughts
• 32:04
  Speaker 11: private and they're certainly not public. So he is talking
• 32:06
  Speaker 11: to people. One of those persons is Paul Little, the
• 32:10
  Speaker 11: former president of Essendon, who was a big supporter of
• 32:14
  Speaker 11: James Herd, and clearly Paul Little wants James heard back
• 32:18
  Speaker 11: in the camp.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Well, we've got two other clubs of course, Carlton and
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: ultimately tas Mania, who are going to have to find
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: coaches as well. And so I think part of the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: reason Essendon probably moved when they did was that they
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: want to be at the front of the queue to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: get the best person available. But James heard putting his
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: hand up, and he did it live on television. I
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: happen to be watching it when he did it, and
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I thought his passionate a job application prodded very sharply
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: in the ribs by Eddie Maguire by the way, means
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: that some of these experienced coaches have said, no, I'm
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: not going to put my hand up because I think
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the fixers in.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: No, I don't think the fixes in at all. Yeah,
• 33:00
  Speaker 11: I mean these other people. I mean they're premisive coaches.
• 33:03
  Speaker 11: They all ultimately ended their time at their clubs. Is
• 33:06
  Speaker 11: Adam Simpson, John Lombi and Carton will be looking for
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: a coach, they might say, Lord Josh Fraser, who knows,
• 33:13
  Speaker 11: and Tasmania certainly is. But if my money is going anywhere,
• 33:16
  Speaker 11: it would be going on Nathan Buckley for Tasmania. I
• 33:21
  Speaker 11: think Adam Simpson's ruling out for Reston. I mean, and
• 33:24
  Speaker 11: the bloke there is John Longmire and if her gage
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: into the process with John longmi on a purely footy basis,
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: you'd think that John Longmey was more qualified, but he's
• 33:36
  Speaker 11: coaching down to that does coaching come down to all
• 33:40
  Speaker 11: these sort of modern day thoughts about connection and spirit
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: and soul which a lot of former resident people are
• 33:48
  Speaker 11: talking about with James Hurd. But Andrew Welsh this decision,
• 33:52
  Speaker 11: so you know, Melvin Football as well as anyone. This
• 33:56
  Speaker 11: decision has the capability of further ripping this club apart,
• 34:02
  Speaker 11: because if they don't go with James Hurd, half the
• 34:05
  Speaker 11: xcellent population will say that's it, I've had enough on
• 34:08
  Speaker 11: a stick of this club. The other half will cheer
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: if they get John my mine. So it's a really
• 34:14
  Speaker 11: interesting time.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: No names, but there are people in the media who've
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: run vendettas against James Hurt all the way through that
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: drug ordeal, and if he does get the job, those
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: same people will be riding shotgun on him.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but what the man hopathetic is that?
• 34:32
  Speaker 11: I mean, really shits me about life, Steve is everyone
• 34:36
  Speaker 11: makes mistakes. You've made mistakes. Everyone in the world has
• 34:40
  Speaker 11: made mistakes. And if we don't have a sense of
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: rejemption for these people, but going off the rails in
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: life and getting your life back together, making mistakes in business,
• 34:51
  Speaker 11: make mistakes everywhere in life. You've got to get an
• 34:54
  Speaker 11: opportunity to redeem yourself, help help the situation which you
• 35:00
  Speaker 11: and I just feel I mean, you say, no name
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: Caroline Wilson from the Age, she doesn't want her to
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: come back and she's campaigning hard against him.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: There there are others.
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: But well, I said to you last week made and
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: I think you agree with me.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: It was right at the end.
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: If we don't have redemption in life, what have we
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: got We just cast people aside and say see el ja.
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: If you're you're you made one mistake, you're not getting back.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I don't think like that.
• 35:30
  Speaker 11: I think most people would agree with me in the
• 35:33
  Speaker 11: case of redemption, whether the f and Board thinks. So
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: it was a different, different.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Situation world sports about redemption. Well, I watched a soccer
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: doco on Netflix last night about a blow called Vardi
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: who was playing in the lowest levels of English soccer
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: and he ended up playing for England and winning, winning,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: winning an EPL title. It was unbelievable and at one
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: point was a drunk.
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: He was a drunk. It was a brilliant video of
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: a guy starting off in sixth division and going all
• 36:07
  Speaker 11: the way to Leicester when Leicester maybe the greatest, one
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: of the greatest, not the greatest, one of the greatest
• 36:13
  Speaker 11: sports stories English football and perhaps the sporting world have
• 36:17
  Speaker 11: seen Leicester going in and knocking over Liverpool and man
• 36:21
  Speaker 11: U and man City and Arsenal.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: And Vardy won the Golden Boot. He was a brilliant player,
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: he was a knock about and I urge anyone who
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: likes sport and redemption to have a look at that documentary.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: It's one of the best.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: In a word, will the soccer us passion in Australia
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: be ignited when they play that first game against Turkey
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: in Vancouver on Sunday week.
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: Yes, yes, I mean there's one. There's a couple of
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: sporting events we get behind. One are the Olympics, another
• 36:55
  Speaker 11: is the World Cup. I mean we've had some brilliant
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: campaigns in the World Cup Australia. I think you know
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: that when it comes on TV all of Australia and
• 37:04
  Speaker 11: what happened if they win, the momentum just grows and
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: grows and grows until the crypts nation. What about the
• 37:11
  Speaker 11: women Tilda's were winning.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: It was absolutely fantastic, unbelievable.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Good on your Robbo. Catch up with you soon. Mark
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Rogerson there, one of the great sports writers of our time.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Now coming up, Labour's love of taxes causing an illegal
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: tobacco crisis. Well, we've been trying to tell them about
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that forever. My panel's up next. Welcome back, Peter Kreedlin
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: coming up. Top of the hour. It's panel time the
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Daily Telegraphs Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson from step Mate's Studios.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Joints us gentlemen. Welcome to you both. I'd like to
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: start by talking about the cost of living. Now, every
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: now and then you come across something at such a
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: huge shock. You can't believe it. I mean, it's bad
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: enough that you're now paying six dollars for a coffee.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: But I want to talk fish, Tim and Mark. I
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: want to talk particularly flat ed phillots in a Melbourne
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: market today seventy five dollars forty five are kilo. But wait,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: there's more. I had a look at the King George Whiting,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: being a South Australian favorite of mine. Must you reckon phillips?
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Are?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: King George Whiting are one hundred and forty five dollars
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: fifty a kilo? Tim? I mean you don't get fish
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: out where you live, I know, because there's no ocean
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: out there. But one hundred and forty five bucks a
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: kilo for Whiting?
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: What are they making it out of these days? Is
• 38:32
  Speaker 12: fish made out of saffron or something? I mean that
• 38:36
  Speaker 12: the budget minded family are now scraping, scrapping together a
• 38:40
  Speaker 12: meal of cocaine to get by. It is insane amounts
• 38:44
  Speaker 12: of money living out what we do. Even with all
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: the freight that's involved in you know, transport and freezing
• 38:50
  Speaker 12: and so on, we still get flake in the major
• 38:52
  Speaker 12: supermukeets here for around about forty five to fifty bucks
• 38:55
  Speaker 12: a kilo, So that's expensive. It's still I mean flake
• 38:59
  Speaker 12: you to be the stared fish, exactly, gummy shark. It
• 39:03
  Speaker 12: used to be the basic fish for fish and chips. Now,
• 39:07
  Speaker 12: like everything else that used to be basic, it's extraordinarily
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: elite and unaffordable. But that price for widing is out
• 39:12
  Speaker 12: of that's insane.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Mark they used to use. They used to use flat
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: at as bait. They used to catch flat at, chop
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: it up and use it as bait. Yeah, that's right.
• 39:22
  Speaker 9: Now it's a financial asset.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Imagine how rich rex hunting be exactly.
• 39:26
  Speaker 13: I'm thinking about getting a couple of kilos and chucking
• 39:28
  Speaker 13: it under the mattress, storing away for some intergenerational wealth.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Mate Rex MULTIVII. Look at it wasn't up market market,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I must admit. But anyway, now, when I was a
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: late teenager, Tim, the best selling car like you, you
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: and I a similar age was either a Commodore or
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: a Falcon. Maybe if you were a bit minted, you'd
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: get a Tarana or a Flash Valiant. Today we're going
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: to mark this down in our diaries. It's the end
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: of the world. Tesla the battery. Whenever I see one
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: and someone's driving and I say, get your battery out
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: of my way. It is the best selling car in Australia. Tim,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Can you believe it?
• 40:05
  Speaker 12: I can't believe it because things have been trending this
• 40:08
  Speaker 12: way and I've I've made my peace with it, Steve,
• 40:10
  Speaker 12: because the more people who are buying Gap, the more
• 40:13
  Speaker 12: people who are buying Tesla's, the less of them are
• 40:16
  Speaker 12: buying certain vehicles from the late nineties and early two
• 40:18
  Speaker 12: thousands that the second head market is not aware of yet.
• 40:22
  Speaker 12: We're keeping people who know on this, are keeping this
• 40:25
  Speaker 12: under our hats. There are certain vehicles that are available
• 40:28
  Speaker 12: for under sometimes fifteen grand, that will go for half
• 40:32
  Speaker 12: a million kilometers and we don't want anyone else to
• 40:35
  Speaker 12: buy them. Go ahead and spend eighty to one hundred
• 40:37
  Speaker 12: and fifty grand on a Tesla, go nuts. As long
• 40:40
  Speaker 12: as we can have our cast. We're in about twenty
• 40:42
  Speaker 12: grand at the last. Our team's got a couple of
• 40:44
  Speaker 12: ninety ninety. Yeah in Asia up there under a.
• 40:49
  Speaker 9: I like you're thinking, raight, no love it?
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: What are we going to do? Though? On a serious note,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I mean these things have an end life, like your
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Apple phone. At some point Apple starts turning your phone
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: off so to go and by a new one, don't
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: they that happens all the time. You can't hear, or
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: it doesn't ring properly, or it goes dark. Tester will
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: start doing the same thing with the battery cars. What
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: are we going to do with all the used batteries
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: when we have to dispose of them?
• 41:12
  Speaker 13: Well it's a good question, mate, And not a single
• 41:14
  Speaker 13: one of the stakeholders is asking it. Not the government,
• 41:17
  Speaker 13: not the greenies pushing it, not the manufacturers, no one.
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: And at this point, the only upside.
• 41:23
  Speaker 13: Literally the only upside I've got is that they'll be
• 41:25
  Speaker 13: the only thing you'll see that are going to be
• 41:27
  Speaker 13: free of charge.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: That great thing, Tim, of course, is that the best
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: selling car wasn't a b y D. You know what
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: that stands for, don't you?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Tim?
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Burn?
• 41:36
  Speaker 12: Your drive away is one of the that's one of
• 41:38
  Speaker 12: the more that you make a good point because at
• 41:47
  Speaker 12: least it isn't Chinese. And when you talk about vehicles
• 41:49
  Speaker 12: being turned off, well you know it might not be
• 41:52
  Speaker 12: just because they're out of date. It might have if
• 41:55
  Speaker 12: the Chinese manufactured vehicles. So there might be a more
• 41:57
  Speaker 12: malevolent impulse behind turning those people calls off.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: We can't even leave our batteries that charge our golf
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: carts in the at the golf club anymore because they're
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: going to burn the joint down because they catch fire.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, how many of these battery fires are we
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: going to end up having. It's just going to be
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: the more the cheaper the Chinese vehicle, I presume, the
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: more risk there is of a battery fire.
• 42:22
  Speaker 12: Well, this is again, you know, we're talking about making
• 42:25
  Speaker 12: peace with the idea of evs. Golf buggies are evs.
• 42:29
  Speaker 12: They've got a home, They've got a place in the world,
• 42:32
  Speaker 12: just not maybe not running between capital cities or towing
• 42:37
  Speaker 12: anything or doing doing doing duty that's above and beyond
• 42:41
  Speaker 12: perhaps you know, running the kids to school and so on.
• 42:43
  Speaker 12: So you know, there is a place for them driving
• 42:47
  Speaker 12: middle aged blokes around playing golf.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: How about that, Mark, you and I. It seems like
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: we're having a bit of a nostalgia night tonight. But
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: alcohol taxes, the taxes on alcohol, it's going the way
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: of cigarettes, and we seem happened with the fire bombings
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: in Melbourne, the cigarette shops being blown up. Sad news
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: today that Lion and Nathan have shut down the Bogus
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: brewery in Launceston in Tasmania. I mean we should be
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: wearing black arm bends tonight. We should mate slogues beer.
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: I know it's the most UnAustralian.
• 43:18
  Speaker 13: It's almost by definition the most UnAustralian thing that you
• 43:22
  Speaker 13: can do is to do that. But it's also now
• 43:24
  Speaker 13: people are going to start bootlegging their own alcohol.
• 43:26
  Speaker 9: The same with the cigys. Everyone's just making well, let's
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: happen on black.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Bok ready, I suspect one ndred percent? Yeah, now tip
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I reckon some of those fires in Melbourne. I mean
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: there was a warehouse with three million dollars worth of
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: alcohol in it got fire bombed. I mean of course
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: the kids who allegedly did it are out on bail
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: again now and able to go on some sort of
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: work order that you know, even though they've destroyed three
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: million dollars worth. But we've seen with tobacco use. There
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: was statistics out today that show that smoking and vaping
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: has on right through the roof because what the government
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: done has made it so expensive to buy real ones
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: that we get the fake ones and they're so cheap
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: that people go, gee, that's a good idea I might
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: take up smoking.
• 44:12
  Speaker 12: It's like living in the nineteen twenties instead of the
• 44:15
  Speaker 12: twenty twenties. This is like back in the prohibition days.
• 44:18
  Speaker 12: It's all gangsters and prohibition and alcohol wars and other
• 44:22
  Speaker 12: drugs and you know things mysteriously catching on fire like EV's.
• 44:26
  Speaker 12: I mean you put it all together, alcohol, cigarettes and evs.
• 44:31
  Speaker 12: It's a wonder that Melbourne's even able to look a
• 44:33
  Speaker 12: standing building, and with all the thighs that must be
• 44:36
  Speaker 12: blazing around, it's terrible.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: It's a wonderful place to live. And the opposition is
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: so hopeless they're not even a shoeing to win the election,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: which is even more unbelievable. One nation, on the other hand,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: are going to do very well in that election. I'm
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: not a sure of marijuana gummies, you'd be surprised by that,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: genuine but it is South Wales. They wheeled down Andrew
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: John's today the rugby League legend for a media conference
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: with the Premier Chris Mins, to tell us all that
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: motorists using medicinal cannabis will no longer be automatically penalized
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: in New South Wales when they're pulled over for a
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: drug test. Now, I spoke to someone in this building
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: who does use medicinal marijuana today, and then he told
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: me that it knocks him over so badly he can
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: barely walk. He's going to be driving if he's in
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: your South Wales. How does that work?
• 45:29
  Speaker 13: Well, So I think that the horse has already bolted
• 45:32
  Speaker 13: on the whole medicinal marijuana thing. So my thing is,
• 45:34
  Speaker 13: you just need to test for impairment.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: It's the idea.
• 45:37
  Speaker 13: Off you've had a beer a couple of days ago,
• 45:38
  Speaker 13: you should be able to drive today.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: That's not a problem.
• 45:41
  Speaker 13: So I don't know how we test for impairment, but
• 45:43
  Speaker 13: we need to. I don't know if you hold a
• 45:44
  Speaker 13: mars bar out instead of a breath though, you hold
• 45:46
  Speaker 13: a mars bar out, if there's a chop taken out
• 45:48
  Speaker 13: of it, that means you can't drive, you're too impaired.
• 45:50
  Speaker 13: When it comes to medical marijuana. I have no idea,
• 45:53
  Speaker 13: but we've got to do something.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Tim. I heard someone from the Make Marijuana Legal party,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: which is here apparently, and when the talkback presenter said, look,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: this is a slippery slope. Once we do this, it's
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: going to then be legalized in all sorts of different ways.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: In all sorts of different markets. That's absolutely correct. I mean,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: you go anywhere in the United States. Now, walk down
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: the street in New York and you nearly get knocked
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: out by Marijuanas mean, you don't have to buy it.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: You're just in haalor as you walk along.
• 46:20
  Speaker 12: The street, and it is not a great smell. The
• 46:25
  Speaker 12: aromatics involved in marijuana are repellent. You're just on the point.
• 46:29
  Speaker 12: About America and testing for impairment, We've all seen in
• 46:33
  Speaker 12: the in clips and newsprips and so on and movies.
• 46:37
  Speaker 12: American cops do test for impairment with alcohol. It's like,
• 46:40
  Speaker 12: you know, can you walk in a straight line, touch
• 46:42
  Speaker 12: your finger or touch your nose with your finger while
• 46:44
  Speaker 12: your eyes are closed. A friend of mine in the
• 46:46
  Speaker 12: US used to practice while he was drinking. He would
• 46:49
  Speaker 12: practice saying the alphabet backwards so that when he got
• 46:52
  Speaker 12: pulled over rug driving, it would be easier for him
• 46:55
  Speaker 12: to remember the exact sequence of letters. So there's different
• 46:58
  Speaker 12: than the other thing I'd say is with the marijuana
• 47:01
  Speaker 12: people saying that there's no there's no issue with impairment
• 47:04
  Speaker 12: while driving, Why are you smoking it if there's no
• 47:07
  Speaker 12: point to marijuana if it isn't giving you some sort
• 47:10
  Speaker 12: of impairment or I you know, some sort of drug
• 47:13
  Speaker 12: adg use, what's the point of driving that. I don't
• 47:16
  Speaker 12: get it. They may be killing their own argument.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: There is a medical use for marijuana. I mean Andrew John's,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: who was, you know, one of the greatest rugby league
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: players in all time. He takes a gummy every night
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: before he goes to sleep because of his back pain,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: so he can't get to sleep without it. So I
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: guess we need to say that, yes, medicinal marijuana is
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: an okay thing, but I don't think you should necessarily
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: be driving with it.
• 47:40
  Speaker 13: Absolutely, and that's what I mean. We have to be
• 47:42
  Speaker 13: testing for some level of impairment. It just doesn't make
• 47:45
  Speaker 13: sense because it's not even it's not even danger because
• 47:48
  Speaker 13: most people just.
• 47:49
  Speaker 9: Say you just drive really slow.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: But that's just a bad Well it's a bit of well.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: New South Wales has done it. I can imagine that
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: the socialist state of Victoria won't be very far behind.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Because they see a bad idea they always try and
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: embrace it. Tim and Mark, good on you boys, Thanks
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: you very much for joining us. Thanks Peter Credle's coming
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: up at the top of the hour after the break
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: the issue tomorrow, well it's going to be housing again.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I think stick around for Peter. She's up next.