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Ohio State Football LIVE: What We Learned About the Buckeyes vs. Wolverines · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a very special bonus live episode of Buckeye's
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  Speaker 1: Toorrow Morning for Wednesday, every twenty seventh time.
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  Speaker 2: Your host Tom Moore is Michigan in three days.
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  Speaker 1: You probably already heard me say all those words before
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  Speaker 1: when I was doing the episode of Ross Fulton, but
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  Speaker 1: we're doing a lot of extrados that this week. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot to talk about this week and joined by
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  Speaker 1: Tony Gerderman at Buckeheadle dot com. Tony, we got a
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  Speaker 1: chance to talk to Ryan Day, most of the Ohio
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  Speaker 1: state captains plus quarterback Will Howard. Let's start with Ryan
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  Speaker 1: Day because there was a bunch of this you know
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  Speaker 1: there You can gole a bunch of different directions with
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  Speaker 1: the Ryan Day thing. But I think the first thing
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  Speaker 1: we got to talk about is just how personal this
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  Speaker 1: is for Ryan Day this week.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know if you guys have seen the
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  Speaker 3: interview that he did with Dom to Barry Channel ten
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  Speaker 3: the day before they released it the day before, but
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  Speaker 3: he talked about how like, other than passing his father
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  Speaker 3: when he was a young child and maybe a couple
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  Speaker 3: of other things, losing to Michigan is the worst thing
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  Speaker 3: that's happened in his life and the worst thing for
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  Speaker 3: is to his family, like while they've been together, and
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  Speaker 3: that is that's a lot. That's a big statement, and
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  Speaker 3: so yeah, it is very personal. And you know that
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  Speaker 3: when you go into this, when you take this job,
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  Speaker 3: the number one priority is beating Michigan. And when that
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  Speaker 3: doesn't happen, do you get a lot of flag for it?
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  Speaker 3: You got a lot of people questioning you. You've got
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  Speaker 3: the days like just like going to a restaurant is
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  Speaker 3: probably more difficult and it probably happens less often when
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  Speaker 3: you don't beat Michigan. You can't do those things. And
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  Speaker 3: so yeah, I mean, this is your job. Your job
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  Speaker 3: is to beat Michigan. And when that doesn't happen, when
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  Speaker 3: it hasn't happened since twenty nineteen, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: questions being asked. And so I think it's very personal
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  Speaker 3: for him, for all of the players. And even though
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  Speaker 3: he's saying, well, it's not about me, I'm sure it
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  Speaker 3: is as much, not as much. It is certainly about
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  Speaker 3: him as well for himself. He wants this, wants the
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  Speaker 3: first players, but it would be nice just to you know,
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  Speaker 3: have that monkey off your back a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: And he you know Buca said that Brian Ay said
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  Speaker 1: it's about the players, but Buka said, we know it's
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  Speaker 1: about you know, we want to win. This for him
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  Speaker 1: was what a Baca Buca said, And that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: I think that you feel like Brian Day's not someone
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  Speaker 1: who grew up with they ahoused at Michigan Rivalry, and
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  Speaker 1: neither is Sean Moore. And I think there's a certain
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  Speaker 1: amount of you come in and you see people talking
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  Speaker 1: about it, and you hear people talking about it, and
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  Speaker 1: you see the countdown clock and all that kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and you go.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: And then Ryan Day was here in the first three
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  Speaker 1: times they played Michigan, they won, and then the fourth
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  Speaker 1: year they didn't play the game, and.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, oh, I've been here four years. I
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  Speaker 2: get it.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's a certain amount of you probably don't
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  Speaker 1: get it until you've been on both sides of the result,
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  Speaker 1: and now you know, you had it the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: one games, like, oh okay, now I get it, and
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  Speaker 1: then you had the twenty twenty two game, and it
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  Speaker 1: kind of compounds in the twenty twenty three game, and
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  Speaker 1: it kind of compounds, and you know, I'm sure that
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  Speaker 1: at this point, he's been here since twenty seventeen, so
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  Speaker 1: I truly truly believe that he gets it from both
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  Speaker 1: perspectives at this point.
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  Speaker 2: But this is this is.
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  Speaker 1: One where you you understand why it would be personal
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  Speaker 1: for him at this point.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean it's almost there's a if you
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  Speaker 3: lose to Michigan, it's an FAFO type of thing, and
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  Speaker 3: that's what that's what this is like. Yeah, winning is great,
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  Speaker 3: Try not winning and see how it goes. And that's
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  Speaker 3: what he always says about any game, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: they always also talk about how winning is really really
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  Speaker 3: hard any game. And then this game more more than
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  Speaker 3: the others. They know it's gonna be more physical. The
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  Speaker 3: other team wants it just as badly as you do,
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  Speaker 3: even though they've won three in a row. I know
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State won many in a row and always wanted
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  Speaker 3: it more seemingly seemingly than the other team, And so
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  Speaker 3: winning it last year doesn't mean you don't the other
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  Speaker 3: team doesn't want it as much as you. And really
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that wanting it more matters as much
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  Speaker 3: as executing more, coaching better, playing better, all of those
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  Speaker 3: other things that everybody wants it. Ohio State I think
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  Speaker 3: needs this one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ohio State unquestionably needs this one. You know, if
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  Speaker 1: you if you lose, this is one of these where
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  Speaker 1: if you win, lots of people are gonna go, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well it's not a good Michigan team, but doesn't count.
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  Speaker 1: Well if you lose it. Believe me, Believe me, it
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  Speaker 1: will count if you lose it. So this is definitely
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  Speaker 1: a game that there's a lot on the line for
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  Speaker 1: the Buckeyes. For Michigan, it's like, well, you get a
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  Speaker 1: chance to play spoiler. Michigan has a chance to turn
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  Speaker 1: this season into the two thousand and one Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: season where it's a first year head coach who came
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  Speaker 1: in and the first season did not go particularly well,
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  Speaker 1: and boy, the offense didn't look good very often. But
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  Speaker 1: ask anyone what they remember about the twent two thousand
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  Speaker 1: one o Higher State season, they're all going to say
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  Speaker 1: the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: You beat Michigan that year, got out to what a
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  Speaker 3: twenty in lead and twenty at halftime, and it was
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  Speaker 3: completely out of the blue. And that was a good year.
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  Speaker 3: I think were they seven and five finished seven and
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  Speaker 3: five that year. That was a successful year for the
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State Buckeyes because they beat Michigan when they weren't
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  Speaker 3: expected to, and so there's a lot of ills that
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  Speaker 3: can be healed with this game.
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  Speaker 1: Outsides almost won the Outback Bowl too, I mean that's
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  Speaker 1: that's true.
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  Speaker 2: That would have made it a great season.
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  Speaker 1: Almost almost had coconut trip Tony just so close right
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  Speaker 1: there within your grasp.
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  Speaker 3: The Outback used to be a restaurant.
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  Speaker 1: It's still the Outback Bowl to me. So a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of other things we can talk about next.
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  Speaker 3: Can I bring something up?
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  Speaker 2: Is it the weather? No? No, no, no, okay.
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  Speaker 3: How about Ryan Day's mood today?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: He came in smiling, Yeah, Jerry. I sid made a
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  Speaker 3: joke about how you know we're only gonna have a
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  Speaker 3: few minutes with Day, and it's like everybody laughed, and
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  Speaker 3: Day even laughed and smiled as well. So the mood,
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  Speaker 3: all of the talking about what does this mean? Are
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  Speaker 3: you know what he said? He's he's excited to be
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  Speaker 3: playing in this game's excited that it's here, talked about
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  Speaker 3: it all year long, they live it and so now
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  Speaker 3: you're finally getting to do and this is like Christmas
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  Speaker 3: morning type of stuff. Is what the message the emotions
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  Speaker 3: that I was getting from Ryan Day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have seen him before games be uppiight and
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  Speaker 1: serious and short with his answers, and he wasn't. He
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  Speaker 1: wasn't in real, real joky mood. But he was also
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  Speaker 1: not in real uptight moude. And you can usually tell
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  Speaker 1: what was the week that he was really up tight.
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  Speaker 1: He was uptight before the Penn State State this week
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  Speaker 1: this season, and I think a little bit before the
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  Speaker 1: Oregon game Indiana last week. No, and you saw what
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  Speaker 1: happened in Indiana. You know, at this point, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: it's not a guarantee that they're going to win this weekend,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not a guarantee they'ren win by a.
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  Speaker 2: Bunch this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: But you just can sort of get the sense that
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  Speaker 1: when he's feeling good about something or when he's feeling like,
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  Speaker 1: m boy, this is gonna be we really need this one.
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  Speaker 1: And boy, you know, I you know, I think we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna win. I feel we're gonna win, versus I know
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna win well.
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  Speaker 3: And you look at the two games that you're talking about,
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  Speaker 3: Oregon and Penn State. You go in into those games
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  Speaker 3: with like questions, how are we going to handle this
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  Speaker 3: Penn State? How are we going to handle the offensive
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  Speaker 3: line against Penn State's defensive line? So like you're dealing
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  Speaker 3: with those concerns until the game is done. And I
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  Speaker 3: think for this game, you have all of the answers
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  Speaker 3: that you have questions for, So I think that you
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  Speaker 3: could have questions for you. There's the Michigan still going
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  Speaker 3: to do some things that they haven't done before that
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  Speaker 3: you're not prepared for. But overall, like the big questions,
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  Speaker 3: they know the answers to, and I think that makes
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  Speaker 3: everybody feel a little bit better, but that's not going
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  Speaker 3: to stop them from being here till eleven o'clock at
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  Speaker 3: night doing what they need to do.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, you still have to go out and execute
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  Speaker 1: those things, and I think there are still some questions
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  Speaker 1: that I mean, Will Howard got asked about the offensive
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  Speaker 1: line going up against Michigan's defensive line, because that's really
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  Speaker 1: the strength of this year's Michigan team is the defensive
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  Speaker 1: line and the offensive line. You came into the season
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  Speaker 1: for Ohio State thinking well, this is a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a question mark, and then you lost your left
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  Speaker 1: tackle in your center. Now it's oh boy, and they
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  Speaker 1: have been very good, especially if you're going to grade
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  Speaker 1: on the curve of Hey, they've lost their left tackle
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  Speaker 1: in their.
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  Speaker 2: Center, but they've been very good the last.
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  Speaker 1: Few weeks without Josh Simmons and now without Seth McLaughlin
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  Speaker 1: last week. But this is also you know, you've passed
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  Speaker 1: all your quizzes. You passed the midterm. Okay, now this
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  Speaker 1: is defensive line wise. This might be kind of the
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  Speaker 1: final exam. You may have more more final exams, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you get into grad school after this week, but
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  Speaker 1: in terms of undergrad this is your final exam as
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  Speaker 1: an offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean well, Howard said it's the most important
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  Speaker 3: game of the year right now. So that's the final
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  Speaker 3: exam for everybody, and then next quarter starts if they
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  Speaker 3: win this one. Next semester, sorry, maybe a December mester.
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  Speaker 2: Kids today, kids today, don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Christmaster the joys of the quarter system, don't Ohio State.
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  Speaker 1: The weather is a concern going to be a factor
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  Speaker 1: this weekend. It is going to be risk. It is
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  Speaker 1: not super windy. It's not supposed to snow, it's not
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  Speaker 1: supposed to rain. It is supposed to be nineteen degrees
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday morning and the high I think the real
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  Speaker 1: feel high for Saturday high was twenty four degrees, so
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  Speaker 1: that'll be at the end of the game. So it
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  Speaker 1: is going to be brisk.
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  Speaker 2: I will have my mittens on Saturday on the field.
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  Speaker 2: It is going to be chill with that. It's yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we'll figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: You shoot, you shoot with that, or you shoot with frostbite,
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  Speaker 1: either one one or the other. I am normally I
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  Speaker 1: am normally not too stressed about cold, but this is
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  Speaker 1: we have not had that yet this year, so it
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  Speaker 1: is going to be a little bit of an adjustment
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  Speaker 1: for the players. And you wonder how much it'll impact
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  Speaker 1: things in terms of the on field game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the cold is fine. They'll be able
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  Speaker 3: to handle that. I think we talked about it last
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  Speaker 3: week where or in the past few days. This will
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  Speaker 3: be the coldest game that Jeremiah Smith has ever played in,
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  Speaker 3: but so as last week and probably the week before that.
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  Speaker 3: But this is going to be another level for him.
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  Speaker 3: I am interested. Tom. Do you remember the weather. The
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  Speaker 3: precipitation is going to be fine, there won't be any
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember what we were watching on the drive
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  Speaker 3: back from the Michigan loss last year.
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  Speaker 1: I do know because I looked up the stats from
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  Speaker 1: that game for one particular player. On our way back
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  Speaker 1: from Michigan last year, we stopped and we're at a
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  Speaker 1: restaurant and we're watching the Kansas State Iowa State game
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  Speaker 1: Farmageddon as the kids call it.
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  Speaker 2: And it was a fantastic snow game.
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  Speaker 1: It was just a great setting and you're watching this
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  Speaker 1: Kansas State quarterback sling it all over the field and
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  Speaker 1: it's like, Wow, I'll never see him in real life.
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  Speaker 1: And here we are one year later. Will Howard, beloved
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  Speaker 1: figure in Central Ohio. He completed fifty percent of his
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  Speaker 1: pass as he was twenty four for forty eight in
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  Speaker 1: that game, two hundred and eighty eight yards something in
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  Speaker 1: that neighborhood, one touchdown, one pick, ran for you know,
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  Speaker 1: ran for a good Will Howard running game, which was
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  Speaker 1: you know, eight ten carries for twenty or thirty yards,
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  Speaker 1: something like that. But he has been in games like
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  Speaker 1: this before. And you know, when you're a veteran like
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  Speaker 1: him and you've played in the Midwest and the Plain States,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna have played in this stuff before.
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  Speaker 2: This is there's gonna be nothing new for you.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, so he has had to play in
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  Speaker 1: that's not the Sunflower State game against Kansas, but that's
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  Speaker 1: a that's actually a pretty big rivalry. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: people really understand that that that K State Iowa State
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  Speaker 1: games and rivalry.
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  Speaker 2: But he's played in it, and he's he's played well
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  Speaker 2: with it.
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  Speaker 3: It is a rivalry. But I did ask, well, Howard,
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  Speaker 3: what is your record as a starter in rivalry games?
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  Speaker 3: And he's like, you mean k You like, well, you
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  Speaker 3: tell me what are your rivalry games. He's like, we
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  Speaker 3: don't lose the KU. He didn't mention Iowa State, which
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  Speaker 3: is a rival. But I thought that was interesting. Is
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  Speaker 3: that is that a more district Is that an Ohio
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  Speaker 3: State Penn State thing, like, oh, they're not a rival,
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  Speaker 3: whereas Penn State's like Ohio State is our arrival.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's that's a that's the last game of the
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  Speaker 1: season for KU or k State. So now KU hasn't
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  Speaker 1: beaten K State in something like fifteen years, so you
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  Speaker 1: know they lost.
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  Speaker 2: They did lose to Iowa State last year.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the defense gave up forty two points, so I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that was on Will Howard, but you know
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  Speaker 1: they six I believe that that does not appear in
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  Speaker 1: the box score. No, but yeah, that's that's a you know, that's.
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  Speaker 2: A big stage kind of game, and you know, not
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  Speaker 2: it's not Ohio State Michigan. I don't think.
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  Speaker 3: Well he Will said that, like this is not the same.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is.
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  Speaker 1: This is I think, guys, everyone who comes here, other
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  Speaker 1: than maybe the Alabama guys. You know, when Jonah Jackson
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  Speaker 1: showed up from Rutgers or I remember talking to Tristan
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  Speaker 1: Jebbia before, you know, when he first showed up from
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  Speaker 1: Oregon State last year and he was kind of looking
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  Speaker 1: around the media set up.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, it's February and.
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  Speaker 1: There are more people in here than I have seen
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  Speaker 1: at any point in any game. And you know, this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be probably outside of maybe the Big
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  Speaker 1: twelve championship game, this is probably the biggest game that
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  Speaker 1: Will Howard has played in his career.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm sure he would say this is the
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  Speaker 3: biggest game he's ever played in. Because if you don't
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  Speaker 3: win it, you are not winning it for so many people,
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  Speaker 3: you know, So there's that aspect of it, because this
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  Speaker 3: is one game tome, but it's also the finale of
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  Speaker 3: four games for so many seniors, like this is their
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  Speaker 3: last opportunity. So you try to, you know, say it's
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  Speaker 3: just one game, compartmentalized the fact that it is one game.
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  Speaker 3: But it would mean so much to so money to
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  Speaker 3: just get this one game that it's hard to say
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  Speaker 3: it's just one game. But Ryan Day was talking about
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  Speaker 3: you got to focus on the process. You don't want
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  Speaker 3: to get into the emotional aspect of it right now.
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  Speaker 3: So of course we'll only talk to the players once
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  Speaker 3: and so talk to him on Tuesday and then they can,
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  Speaker 3: you know, talk about the emotions. But then they've got
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  Speaker 3: to go play their most physical practice of the week
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  Speaker 3: and get all of that out of them, so that
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  Speaker 3: then they can just remain focused on the task at hand.
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  Speaker 3: But the emotions this week and avoiding them and just
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  Speaker 3: going through the process, I think that helps. When you're
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  Speaker 3: here and you're just focused on everything on this, you
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  Speaker 3: don't have to focus on everything else.
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  Speaker 1: And Cody Simon got a chance to talk to him
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  Speaker 1: a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I think you were there for that, right yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He you know, this is the first time for Will Howard,
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  Speaker 1: this is not the first time for Cody Simon. Cody
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  Speaker 1: Simon now in his fifty year at Ohio State, and
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  Speaker 1: so he has been through a bunch of these games already,
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  Speaker 1: and this is going to be a you know, this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be a different experience for him. He's
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  Speaker 1: you know, he started I'm doing I'm doing math in
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  Speaker 1: my head right now.
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  Speaker 2: His first year would have been twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: So no game and then three losses, which it's crazy
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  Speaker 1: to think they're really unless there's a six year player.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not thinking of.
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  Speaker 3: There's no one on the one on the roster.
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  Speaker 1: No one on the roster has beaten Michigan, which you
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  Speaker 1: think back over the last twenty years and it's like
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  Speaker 1: that's not possible. But no one on the roster has
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  Speaker 1: beaten Michigan right now, which you want to know why
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  Speaker 1: this game is important?
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  Speaker 2: Boy, you want to change that stack as quickly as possible.
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  Speaker 2: He talked about just how important this was to the
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  Speaker 2: senior class.
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  Speaker 1: Because a lot of these guys, you know, I think
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: you had multiple reasons to come back, but the first one,
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: it's the first goal that they talk about when they
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: talk about there's three goals every year, Tony, what's the.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: First goal they talk about?
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: Beat Michigan.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: And so that was kind of the first goal, and
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of the other goals.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: After this that sort of stack on that.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: If you don't beat Michigan, well and you're not going
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: to go to the Big Ten Championship game, so then
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: you can't get to your second goal, which is win
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: the Big Ten and theoretically probably not, but theoretically if
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: you lose to.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: Michigan, you could fall out of the College Football Playoff
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: and then you lose your third goal.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: They're probably they have probably at this point position themselves
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: where you're at worst looking at a.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: Home game in.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: The quarterfinals of the College Football Playoff, even with a
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: loss this weekend or a loss in the Big Ten
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Championship game. But still this is you know, this is
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: the game that they all came back for, so you
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: know this is Sometimes you have weeks where it's like,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: wholl is there gonna be a letdown after a top
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: five game.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: I Am not expecting that this week.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: No, I'm meccha booka talking about how he wants to
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: he wants to give his mom his pair of gold
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: pants if they were to win. And it used to
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: be a thing where every year we get to this
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: week and be like so what are you gonna give
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: this year's gold pants too? Like there was like you've
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: got three, now where's the fourth pair gonna go? And
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: it was just like this kind of like jokey type
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: of thing. But now it's like I just want one,
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: and if I can get one, give to my mom,
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: give to whomever. There's a lot of people that they
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: can just get there one, then they can they can
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: go away happier. I'm Mecca said last year, I don't
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: want to leave here without a pair of gold pants.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Last chance is all the last chance of so many
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: seniors of the captains here, and you know, you know,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: I remember Marvin Harrison talking last year like if I
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: do choose to leave early, like the biggest regret is
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: that I will leave without a pair of gold pants,
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: and these guys here have an opportunity to avoid that regret.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Was there anything else that you jumped out to you
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: as we were talking to guys that was kind of
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: a list of the bullet pointed list of stuff that
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: I had.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Other than you know, just I was asking the guys
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: like what would it mean to you to finally get this?
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: And I'll write it up, but it's just you, like
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: to see the emotional you see what it means to them,
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: and you kind of get that aspect of it, even
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: aside from their words, just the way they choose their
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: words and they go into it and it's just always
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: just it's a really fun week to get to know
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: the players even better, you know, like to get to
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: know another side of them, because sometimes it's hard to
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: let the truth out when like you feel it, so
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: when they feel it so much like the words, but
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: you can see what they'd really like to say, like
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: like Bill Orbenoit's asked Jack Starrier at the end, because
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: I didn't hear what the question was, but it was like,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: you know, the first two losses coming and you know
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: there's maybe some circumstances around that you kind of say
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: anything about that. He's just like, we're not talking about that.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: I'm not talking about the past. Then he walked off,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: And so there are so many stories like from the
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: past three years. You wonder if they get this win
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: and what do they talk about in the post game
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: and in the days after about all of this the
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: last few.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Years well, and you wonder in the post game, what's
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: the what's the thought in their heads? Is it horay
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: we we beat Michigan or is it horay we're headed
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: for the Big Ten championship game and we have a
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: chance to be you know what? And I'm sure the
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: answer is yes, but I don't know. My sense is
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: you're kind of you know that they always talk about
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: we have to you know, after beating Indiana, they talk about,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: we want to enjoy this one. But you know, then
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: we got we know, we got to move on pretty quickly.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: You have an even tougher game next week if they
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: if they beat Michigan, you have an even tougher game
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: next week it's against Oregon. But also you feel like, boyd,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: you have to assume they're going to take a little
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: bit of time to enjoy that before you move on.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Orgon's kind of in the same spot where Oregon lost
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: twice to Washington last year and they get Washington this.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Weekend and they already know they're in one way or
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the other.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: But both teams are kind of in that you know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: you're probably gonna take a little bit of time to
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: enjoy it before you move on to the next thing.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: If for Hire State does win this on Saturday, do
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: you think it takes Friday longer than normal to get
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: to the press conference, to the postgame press conference after
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: being in a locker room, and who knows how long
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: it takes them to get off of the field, Like,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: do you think it takes a little bit longer to
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: get to the post game?
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to be you know, I almost feel
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: like this is the krit Signetti answer from from Saturday,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Like is that a serious question?
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there. I think they're going to take
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: a little bit of time. I saw John Cooper in
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: here earlier, and yeah, we saw John Cooper in here
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: earlier today, and it reminded me of the nineteen ninety
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: four Ohio State Michigan game where they were, you know,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: they had lost and you know, they lost and they lost,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: and they lost and they lost and they tied and
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: they lost, and you know, the ninety three game they
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: were undefeated, had only one tie against against Wisconsin.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: All he has to do is beat a you.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Know, basically a six and five probably Michigan team, six
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and four Michigan team, and they lose twenty eight nothing,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and so the next year it's, oh boy, you better
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: win this game.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: And it was that was not that was another O
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: season where it was like two thousand and one war.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: It was not a great season. They lost four games
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: that year.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: They got thumped by Penn State sixty three to fourteen,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: lost to what Washington and Illinois as well that year.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: And came in into the stadium and said we own
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: this place basically, yeah.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: And so then you go into the Michigan game and
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh boy, you better win this game. And
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that was a pretty decent Michigan team as I remember,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: and Ohio State ends up, you know, really controlling the game,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: wins at twenty two to six, and I just remember
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: John Cooper getting carried off on people's shoulders and like
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: you could tell.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Like that exactly how much that meant to him.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: It feels like you might have if the game, you know,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: if Ohio State does end up winning, you might have
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: a similar scene for Ryan Day and TLDR. Yes, it's
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: probably gonna be a little while on the postgame show
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: before we get to the to the interviews for Ohio
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: State and Ryan Day.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: All right, so do we have some questions we want
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: to get to.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I also have deep voices going on right on the line.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Silver vieusse the Michigan families, Michigan will dominate the trenches.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, Michigan better dominate the trenches.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Well, if Michigan doesn't dominate the trenches, they're gonna get whooped.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Now the I think we've talked about this on a show,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: but you know, there are pathways for Michigan to win,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: but all of them involve winning in the trenches because
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: that's where I mean, you go position by position around
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the field, and there's a lot of places where you
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: know you got no Will Johnson like, I hate to
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: tell you what the Ohio State versus Michigan defensive but
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you know, wide receiver versus Michigan defensive back matchup looks
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: like if Michigan can't get pressure and Michigan can't win
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: in the trenches on the other side of the ball,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know how well Michigan moves the ball, and
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know how well Michigan stops Ohio States offense.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: And that's that's when it is not very good times
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: On More, I went back and looked to see, like,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: what kind of shows did we do last year? I
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: forgot we did a Tale of the tape the week
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: of between Ohio State Michigan, and we always do one
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: during the summer. We compare position by position, the Michigan
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: defensive line versus the Michigan versus the Ohio State defensive line,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: receivers versus receivers and so on. I don't think, I know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: it would not go well for Michigan this year if
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: we were to do the same and like, right off
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: the top, right now, is there a POSI group knowing
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: that Colston Lolvin is banged up right now? Is there
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: a position group where you would take Michigan over Ohio
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: State and knowing that Ohio State's defensive tackles are some
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: of the best in the nation as well.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you have a conversation on both sides
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: of the ball in the trenches and you probably I
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: might give.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: It to Michigan on the defensive line.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: And if you're if we're doing it, it's more of
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: a head to head thing where it's the Michigan defensive
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: line versus the Ohio State offensive line. I think there's
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: a decent argument to be made for that. I just
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many other places around the field
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: you're you're going, you know whatever, Michigan wide receivers versus
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Ohio State Secondary, Michigan running backs versus Ohio State linebackers.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Michigan quarterback versus you know, O High State Secondary Michigan.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Davis Warren versus Caleb Downs.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like that might be not super evenly matched.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And I would give Michigan kicker.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would give Michigan maybe an advantage of
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: defensive kickoff return.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah maybe.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, Jordan Marshall's done some good things.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Last couple has done nothing.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: But yeah, they are due. They that means anything. They
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: are due.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: He doesn't mean anything.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's but yeah, you're right, there's there's just there's
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: a couple spots, but there's just not a lot of
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: other things.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: You're really good looking at, Josie Dragon. Jeremiah Smith doesn't
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: look one hundred percent. It's a concern. Jeremiah Smith doesn't
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: look one hundred percent. Did you think Jeremiah Smith looked
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent or not one.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Hundred percent last week lipping around pregame. I mean, I
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: don't think you need to be one hundred percent in
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: this game. You can't expect to be one hundred percent
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: in this game. But he's a week it's a week
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: further than the Northwestern game, so he's probably going to
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: be better than he was last week. And he was
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: good enough to play last week. And you know, so
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I think I think his numbers three three catches the
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: season low. There are opportunities to throw to him, but
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: there are sso opportunities to throw to other guys. And
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: you know, the Carnal take got those four catches on
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: in the first quarter or whatever, and Mecca got his touches,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: and there just aren't a lot of touches to go
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: around anymore because there are fewer plays. But I you know,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: maybe he wasn't maybe that impacted him a little bit.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I knew, do you know that when he needed to
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: get open, he did and he made a fantastic two
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: handed catch, landing on the ground and holding onto the
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: ball and left a defender grasping for nothingness. So you know,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: if he's eighty percent, that's still better than ninety five
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: percent of all of the other receivers out there.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Well, and last week, one of the things I think
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: what kept his numbers down last week more than any
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: kind of concerns about the ankle, were there are multiple
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Indiana Hoosiers in the vicinity of Jeremiah Smith on a
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: whole lot of plays. I talked to Ross Fulton about
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: that on the episode of the Morning Show that dropped
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: earlier on Tuesday, and you know, he was talking about
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the fact that they were bread getting him alige. We
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: talked about on the postgame show the tre Von Henderson
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: touchdown run, and that was one of the plays that
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Ross broke down where Jeremiah Smith split out.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: To the right and you have a corner on him,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: and the corner.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Is kind of taking away the fade, and then you
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: have a safety coming in and there's just one person
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: on that side of the field that Jeremiah Smith, and
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the safety's taken away the slant and the corner's taken
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: away the fade. Well, guess what that leaves means There's
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: one fewer person on the other side of the field.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: And you know, a Mecca Abuka does not need a
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: whole lot of help to get open against most big
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: ten corners, but it does provide him a little bit
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of help to have Jeremiah Smith getting doubled a lot.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: So you know, I would not look at productivity last
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: week and say, oh boy, that was because of the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: ankle I think there's some other extenuating circumstances.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Time I'll tell you that Jim Knowles is one of
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: sixty five nominees for the Broyles Award this year, the
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: only Ohio State Assistant coach.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Wow Rimington Award watch list worthy. Do you play center?
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Yes? Okay? Are you an assistant coach? Yes? I suspect
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: he will be on what was it the semi finalist?
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: This was just the nominees.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I would certainly hope that Jim Knowles would be a
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: finalist and quite possibly the winner, because boy, he has
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: answered a lot of questions, it feels like the last
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and he's gonna have more to answer
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: this Saturday, Tony, did you know that they haven't forced
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: u punt against Michigan in the second half since YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: So he'll have some questions to answer this week.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: And then those answers won't count, and then he'll have
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: some real questions to answer the following week in Indianapolis. So,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: but you know, so far, it feels like they have
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: come up with a lot of those answers.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Former former Michigan quarterback Nick Sheridan, current Alabama offensive coordinator,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: also one of the sixty five nominees. This is probably
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: done before the three points they scored against Oklahoma.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say which of the three points
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: that he got was your favorite?
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Because I don't go to them all. I don't know
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: that I could choose. Yeah, all right, next up, the
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: last one.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Was probably gonna want to kick us out of here soon, goes.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I can't believe we're already here.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: My favorite week of the and his. It's everybody's favorite
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: week in football. And if it's not your favorite week
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: of football, you gotta get on board.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: If we have others, we can get to them because
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: there's other people in here.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: So okay, all right, well it's our favoritek it's yeah favorite. Yeah,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: we talked about it. I mean we we talked about
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Michigan more than just the twelve Michigan games that they play.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: In this game. We probably do twenty twenty five podcasts
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: a year about Michigan.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: That doesn't include the ones that are oops, pal Surprise
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: NCAA podcast.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: That's true again that was thirty to thirty five to
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: forty last year and maybe maybe forty to fifty next year.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: We'll see when all of this starts happening.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, so we will have a whole bunch more.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: We will probably sound more like ourselves on most of
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the other ones, but we will have.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Many, many more shows coming for you.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: This week, Tony and I have a bunch of listener
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: question shows. If you have questions for us, please message
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: us on Twitter let us know. We'll be doing a
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: bunch of listener question shows. We're gonna be doing a
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: little some sort of breakdown shows. We'll have plenty of
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: interviews with Ohio State players and coaches that we've been
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: talking about, as well as Michigan players and coaches. Have
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: additional shows on that this week to live show on
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Tuesday night with the college football playoff rankings reveal. That
• 28:13
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• 28:16
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• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Bucky Huddle.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: That will do it for now. Thank you guys all
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: for joining us. We'll be back. Don't worry, We'll be
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: back on in just a matter of hours.