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EP 32: Why Are We Seeing Success From QBs Who Other Teams Gave Up On? & AFC Standings Predictions After Week 6 · 3 Guys, 6 Balls NFL Podcast

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  3 lifelong friends, 6 trusty balls and endless NFL takes.
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  Welcome to three guys 6 balls NFL podcast Welcome to episode
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  32 of three guys 6 balls NFL podcast.
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  Your favorite podcast about the NFL and balls will.
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  Last week we asked Avery how he was doing.
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  How are you doing today? Just overall.
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  Yeah. How you doing?
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  I mean, I'm doing pretty good. I think things are going well.
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  I think you know, life be life and but the Rams be winning.
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  Yeah, I was going to say how you feeling about your Rams?
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  Man, first half not great. second-half better.
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  The problem is, is had the Ravens realize they and kind of
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  pulling the curtain back here, had the Ravens realize they had
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  Tyler Hunt and team the whole time, they probably win that
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  game, but thank goodness they didn't.
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  But it wins a win, so that's what matters.
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  When's a win? All right.
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  Well, we have got some good stuff for you guys today.
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  We've got a topic that I'm pretty excited to talk about.
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  I think it's going to be pretty interesting.
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  But will, you're going to go ahead and get us started with
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  your Week 6 recap here. So go ahead.
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  Week 6 recap. Here we go.
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  Giants at or excuse me, he was at Giants at Brian Dayball and
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  his two sons sticking to the Champs.
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  With two losses in the row, I'm sure the remains of the city of
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  Philly are being touched, pushed into a Cliff.
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  Also, four toast pushes in a row is just not good football.
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  You're only doing that because you don't trust your running
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  back to run anymore or your quarterbacks start the ball.
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  Let's get let's get some better people in there to do that.
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  Broncos, Jets in London. It was a good thing this game
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  was so early in the morning when nobody had to feel bad about not
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  watching because that was not a good game.
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  Broncos fans, you may have won, but are you guys doing OK?
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  Because it is not pretty over there.
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  Seahawks at Jaguars Joe Rose used up all the good luck last
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  week to beat the Chiefs and then went ahead and made sure their
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  number one defense made Sam Darn look like an all pro even
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  grandfather time. Cooper Cup got got the action
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  last week getting his first touchdown as a Seahawk.
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  Chargers at Dolphins This is a game the Chargers usually
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  usually lose, and they tried really hard to lose it, being up
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  13 points with 12 minutes left in the game.
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  They still needed a last second field goal to end up winning.
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  So this is one. Hey, you know what, the times
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  are changing for the charge. Chargers they usually lose that
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  one, but ended up winning. Brown Steelers This game was
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  exactly what it should have been, AFC North physical
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  football where the Browns just can't score a touchdown and we
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  have Cowboys at Panthers. Listen, you're the Dallas
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  Cowboys, you're going to face the absolute buzz side.
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  It is the Carolina Panthers. The Carolina Rico Dowgals stuck
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  it to him and and Dow indeed, the Dolphins left from last week
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  are starting a support group that will now include Dallas.
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  His teams got physically assaulted by Rico Dowgul and we
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  have the Rams, Ravens, the Ravens for again, sorry for
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  saying this twice now. The Ravens forgot they had Lamar
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  Jackson light on their team in the way of Tyler Huntley, who in
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  one quarter did just as well as Cooper rush to the entire three
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  or the other 3. Not great to see who could get
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  hurt, but hey, we still got to win.
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  That's how it matters. Pat's at Saint booty booty booty
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  booty rocking all the May Bills fans.
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  You guys doing OK? The Pats are good again,
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  Cardinals at Colts. Cardinals offense looked good
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  and all it took was Kyla Murray to not play.
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  Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the lost franchise are in first
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  place in the AFC. How about that?
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  Sitting with the first first round bye right now.
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  Titans out. Raiders.
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  Titans are so bad they fired their head coach, but in reality
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  he isn't the one dropping passes or not playing defense, so who's
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  really to blame? Bang was at Packers.
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  As fun as it would have been for Joe Flack, who to beat the
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  Packers twice with two different teams wasn't quite in the cards.
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  And their last three games the Packers have lost and then tied
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  and then won all three outcomes. Congratulations, you did it.
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  And we had Niners at Bucks in the games, in the game of the
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  backups. The Bucks for their offense is
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  deeper. Baker is an animal and he's
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  going to make that team win. And so, so long as Baker's on
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  the field, that team's going to keep winning.
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  And then we had Lions and Chiefs.
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  Can we do all of America a favor and keep the Chiefs off of
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  Sunday Night Football? I'm so tired of hearing Chris
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  Collinsworth kiss the hindcourt. It is.
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  It is unbelievable. How much did you see that?
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  Real quick, did you see that clip of him when he's like how
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  he like rushes for like 8 yards and then gets clobbered?
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  And it's like, how many quarterbacks do this?
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  And like all of them Were you around yesterday?
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  Like, dude, it was like all over everywhere.
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  ESPN, social media. I'm like, he did.
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  It wasn't even better than this. It was earlier in the same day.
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  It was three hours earlier. Oh yeah, it was the same day
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  the. Same day when Baker broke that
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  tackle like 4 tackles in a row, spun out and three.
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  Yeah, it was it was he he ran for the first count.
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  Crazy. I just.
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  I'm just blown away that he keeps talking him up considering
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  that's been a running joke for like 3 or 4 years.
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  Now I know. Yeah, it's it's ridiculous.
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  The Chiefs are good, but the and Lions are also good, but not
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  quite as good. We were the Bills, Falcons,
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  Bills fans losing two in a row. Are you guys OK?
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  I don't really know what to make of this game.
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  Atlanta just came to play in prime time.
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  I I don't even, I don't even know what to say about it.
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  And we got Bears at commanders wrapping up the week, doing a
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  good job to make sure the Giants are the only NFC East team to
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  win this week with the inability to tackle anyone from the Bears.
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  Also another last second field goal to close out the week to
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  win the football game. Anyway, that was week 6
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  throwback to you. All right, I love these weekly
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  recaps. I think they're pretty funny.
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  I don't know how you come up with this stuff, but I I really
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  like them. So I do have a question that we
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  didn't plan on talking about, but I do have a question for you
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  guys and it this has to do with Baker Mayfield and Patrick
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  Mahomes. So I keep seeing today that
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  Patrick Mahomes is a new favorite for MVP.
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  Why on earth is Patrick Mahomes the favorite for MVP?
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  Says who? He is the betting favorite for
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  MVP right now. Yeah, he.
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  Is, excuse me, odds on favorite right now.
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  The reason is because of history and the team if Baker and
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  Patrick Baker Mahomes. What if Baker Mayfield and
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  Patrick Mahomes have equal stats at the end of the year?
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  They're going to give it to Mahomes anyway.
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  Which is retarded. They won't give it to Baker.
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  I would be basically. Have identical stats right now.
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  But here's the thing, why would they give it to Josh Allen if he
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  had worse stats than Lamar Jackson last year, but then give
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  it to Mahomes because he has better stats than Mayfield?
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  Here's the thing. I don't think it's actually, I
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  think that's just the favorite. I don't think anyone's arguing
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  that Patrick Mahomes is going to win it.
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  I just think if you're Vegas and you need to set a line, I think
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  that Patrick Mahomes being the favorite and what, Week 6?
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  So what are we at? I think that he would be like,
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  that would be a safe assumption to make, like if you had Baker
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  right now at top. I feel there's a lot of people
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  like, hey, there's still a lot of football left to play.
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  Like, what are the chances that Baker Mayfield is still the
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  favorite after like 10 more weeks?
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  And that's why I think like Patrick Mahomes with what Will
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  said, like the history of it, and then just the fact that it's
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  Patrick Mahomes and he's still on the Chiefs and they have not
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  been dethroned. I mean, yeah.
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  I mean, they haven't don't win it every year.
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  But I mean, as far as the Vegas line, it makes sense for odds,
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  but not to make a case that he right now would win or that he
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  should win. Also, if if you think about the
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  teams, we've got Chris Galvin out for who knows how long.
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  We've got Mecca out for at least one more week, if not more.
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  We've got Mike Evans out. We've got Bucky Irving out. 75%,
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  if not more of the Buccaneers offense is just out right now,
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  whereas the Chiefs is the opposite where they've got
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  people coming back from suspension and back from injury.
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  And so Mahomes's playmakers are coming back, where it's Baker's
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  playmakers are dropping off like flies.
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  But doesn't that help Baker's case though?
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  Doesn't that help his case? If they put up the same amount
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  of numbers, but it doesn't help his case to keep winning games,
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  right? It is it.
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  It gives us like higher risk, high, high reward kind of thing
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  where it's like if you can do it, that gives you even more
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  reason to win the MVP, but it's harder to do it.
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  You're you're thinking about Most Valuable Player as actual
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  team value. That is not what they judge Most
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  Valuable Player off of. Because if so then then Joe
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  Burrow should win it right now. He should be odds on favor to
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  win MVP because without Joe Burrow on that team they are hot
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  garbage. Well, they weren't much more
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  than hot garbage when he was still there.
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  This season that offense could move the ball a little bit and
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  so the the value to the team doesn't matter.
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  It should be just like Avery would.
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  With earlier we were talking about Offensive Player of the
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  year versus MVP. Those really should be the same
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  award. There should not be a true MVP
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  award. They should just be offensive
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  player of the year, Defensive player of the year.
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  Yeah, and I'm not trying to throw any disrespect or anything
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  at Patrick Mahomes, like he's he's great, he's been great.
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  But I'm just not a fan of giving the MVP award to somebody who's
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  already won it, especially when they win it like multiple times,
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  give it to somebody who hasn't won it before.
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  That's why I like it. That's why I liked Josh Allen
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  winning it last year over Lamar Jackson because Lamar had
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  already won and Josh Allen had not won before.
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  So I'm a fan of that. I just don't like it.
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  And the same thing with like teams winning the Super Bowl 60
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  times out of 60. It's like the Patriots, like you
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  get annoyed because they're always there.
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  Same thing with the Chiefs. That's why people don't like
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  them because they've won so many Super Bowls.
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  They've been to so many Super Bowls in a row.
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  It's like, OK, this is getting a little bit old, Let's get
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  something new in here. So that's why I don't like it.
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  But that's what that's just. Yeah, it's not just because I
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  actually that's part of it, but not the whole thing.
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  I disagree to an extent. Like I would also I would agree
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  with what you're saying that yeah, it gets a little old
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  seeing it however I wanted. I want the award to go to the
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  most qualified person. It's the same thing with like
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  Jordan. If people in the 90s are saying
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  Jordan's going to win again, OK. It's like, no, this is good.
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  This is like dynasty building. This is what's giving like the
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  NBA like more spotlight and more like basically just more money
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  and more fans. It's like building this thing
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  up. And especially with the Chiefs,
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  like, I don't like the Chiefs winning, but like, you know, I'm
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  like, hey, good. Like make them villains to the
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  rest of the league, the same thing the Patriots were before.
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  Like, I like that being there. However, I will say that, like,
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  yeah, if it's just the dynastic teams that win every year, like
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  it's like Lakers, Celtics, you know, Finals every year, it's
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  like, OK, OK, for all the other fans of all the other teams,
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  like we'd like at least something or at least reason to
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  believe this isn't fixed. You know, So like, I see it as
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  like, dude, if you did well enough to win the MVP, dude, you
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  get it. Now I have my own beef and
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  qualms with the MVP award as documented by this show, where
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  it's like, OK, what is the criteria here?
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  Like, why is there an effect? Why is there most valuable and
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  offensive player? Like what's the different
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  criteria? And everyone has a different
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  definition for like, I don't like that.
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  I feel like it is more subjective.
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  And then at that point, it's really just who is the
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  flashiest, most fun, notable player this year?
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  Let's just give it to them. And it's like, that was a
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  popularity award more than anything.
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  It's like we talked about you the most on ESPN, so you get
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  this award. That's basically kind of what it
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  comes down to. I mean, unless you're being
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  talked about for being trash or something.
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  Right. And I agree with you, Avery,
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  like I'm not saying just give it to somebody else because they
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  haven't won it even though they don't deserve it.
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  Like but right now, like I know you kind of looked at the long
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  term outlook, but right now Patrick Mahomes does not deserve
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  MVP over Baker Mayfield. Nope, right now, Right now he
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  does not. Maybe if he continues.
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  Go ahead, will. There you go.
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  There you go. You go.
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  I was just going to, if it was right now, both of you, who
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  would you guys give it to? I would give it to it was right
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  that season if it was, if it was right now, Baker.
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  Right now, hold. On I can't.
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  Get to that because The thing is for Will and I'll, I'll give him
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  some time to, to, to look this up because all I'm looking for
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  is one other name that you would put over Baker Mayfield, because
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  that's really, I mean, that's kind of what it comes down to.
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  If Joe's saying Baker, I want to know if there is.
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  And then also is it MVP award or offense?
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  I don't know. I mean, if we're going for for
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  MVP, I'm giving it to Stafford right now.
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  He's got 1600 yards, 12 touchdowns, 2 picks.
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  Baker has 1500 passing yards. He's got he's got 150 less
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  passing yards, same as touchdowns, 10 less attempts,
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  right? He had one less interception.
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  He does have half the he does have half the interception,
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  sure. More dangerous players.
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  More wins Best record in the league.
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  The injury doesn't matter. I mean, the injury side of it
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  doesn't really matter, right. And if we were going that route,
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  then Daniel Jones is right there with him, although he doesn't
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  have quite the touchdowns yet. But that's but I would set for
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  record, that doesn't really matter either.
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  Making the case for Baker and I'm sure Joel could do a much
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  better job than me, I would say like, I mean the notable plays
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  of just strong will where you look at it and like, OK, that's
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  insane. Like, that's what every fan
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  wants their quarterback to be able to do, you know, like third
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  and 14. Like, dude, he's just going to
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  will it. And that's something that like,
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  you can tell like this is stuff that we're going to see again
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  later when he accepts the, you know, the trophy, if he wins it,
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  you know, at the end of the season, Like, look at all these
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  plays he made for his team. And that's I think the biggest
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  thing is like, dude was willing his team to victory despite the
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  injuries and a point differential of like 1017.
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  What is it? I think Joe can find that for
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  me. Oh no, I have.
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  AI can I can find it? Yeah, I don't know if. 14-2
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  touchdowns point differential. They're five and one.
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  All the injuries he got, he had Tez Johnson, the six string wide
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  receiver, thinking that the MVP chance were for him.
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  That's how good Baker is. He throws A touchdown and he got
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  him thinking that's he's the MVP.
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  That was the funniest video from the weekend for sure.
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  I was, I was telling Joel, I'm like, dude, yeah, if you come in
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  because all the other receivers are out and you make this insane
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  play, do this insane flip and then from right, right out the
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  end zone, you hear everyone chanting MVPI.
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  Don't I don't blame him. I'm like, dude, that's your
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  first touchdown, an insane touchdown.
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  I'm like, I mean, yeah, think about it for 2 seconds and then
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  you'll realize, yeah, that's for Baker, you know, but.
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  Still, anyway, Avery, who would you give it to?
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  Baker, I don't Based on right now, yeah.
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  I will say a feather in his cap is that if Baker were to get
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  hurt, heaven forbid nobody wants it to happen.
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  Do you know who the backup is in Tampa?
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  Teddy Bridgewater. Teddy Bridgewater.
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  There is no way this team is anywhere near as good with Teddy
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  Bridgewater. Nowhere near.
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  I mean, it's almost like, it's almost like, what's that guy's
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  name? And then Cincinnati, no, it's
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  Cincinnati. It's like Burrough to Browning
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  that that's the level of play I would expect to see.
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  And not to Teddy Bridgewater is bad, but you're going from a
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  plus caliber guy to not. And it's like, oh gosh, we had
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  this All Star and now we just don't well.
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  If Baker Mayfield gets hurt, I hope who can if you would dies.
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  Oh, Oh no. Oh no.
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  Jimmy Anyway, Jimmy G Oh, Stetson Bennett's on the ramps.
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  Yes, I, I'm not, I knew it was Jimmy G I'm not a fan of it,
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  although I would I think take Jimmy G over Petty Bridgewater.
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  But it's it is like F and FA like you did the subset right
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  there. There's nothing.
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  Nothing really. One over the other.
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  Yeah, just that, Jimmy, at least.
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  Here's I I will say this, though, also to kind of well,
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  this is kind of against Stafford, is that I mean, how
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  many how many MVPS has Stafford won?
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  How many offensive player of the years has Stafford won?
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  Because that that's not even an obvious question.
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  Dude's been in the league since O 9.
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  So I. Don't know there's any.
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  Zero. OK, how many times is he like
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  leading the league in yards? Cuz it's often like in that
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  entire the 16 years it he's always a prolific passer.
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  So when I see that he right now he looks par for the course.
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  I mean not I'd say above. Well, like better just because
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  he's so much older now. He's 16 years in the league.
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  And so like seeing those high numbers, like that's always
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  Stafford. Stafford's always just slinging
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  the ball. So when I see that, and now it
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  might just be a little bit of kind of like maybe fatigue or a
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  little bit just like I'm used to Stafford always like just
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  throwing the ball out. Whether they win the game, who
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  knows, you know, back when he was in Detroit.
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  But when I see that, I'm like, that's just normal Stafford.
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  I'm not going to give. I'm not thinking of giving him
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  the award for like simply doing what he already does.
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  Not to say that like your greatness is monotonous.
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  And so we're not going to recognize it anymore.
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  But if you don't have like if you don't even have a better
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  record through six games than Baker, then it's like, all
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  right, Well, then I that that alone would edge it out for me.
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  However, going back to the Vegas odds, I do think I do think it's
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  smart though to put Patrick Mahomes has the favorite if
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  Baker. If Baker's not right behind,
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  though, I think that would be exploitable by betters.
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  OK, but like Patrick Mahomes is still like needed.
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  Still Patrick Mahomes Rishi rise is coming back.
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  Still the Chiefs like the Bucks still have to play through the
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  rest of this gauntlet. Like I don't know.
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  I still like Baker though over if I was a betting man, I would
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  bet Baker. I'm going to say is, is if they
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  continue at the same pace that they are right now, both of
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  them, and Patrick Mahomes wins MVP, I'm going to be very
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  pissed. I'll be super pissed.
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  But anyway, since we're talking about Baker Mayfield, our first
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  official topic of this podcast is going to be why are we seeing
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  so many quarterbacks have success that we're given up on
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  by other teams? So right now, strong.
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  Opinion on this? But you said that.
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  You said that. All right.
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  So right now we've got, we've got a lot of quarterbacks that
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  were given up on by other teams who are having a lot of success.
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  We've got guys like Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Daniel
• 19:13
  Jones, Mac Jones. We're seeing a lot of success
• 19:15
  from these guys. So what do you guys think?
• 19:18
  Why are we seeing success from these guys who were given up on
• 19:21
  by other teams? I think the extends for you.
• 19:23
  As you said, I think we have Aaron Rodgers in there as well.
• 19:26
  I think we saw last week Jacoby Brissett, who threw for 350
• 19:29
  yards there. There's a lot of guys and I
• 19:32
  think the big difference is, is that you draft a guy.
• 19:37
  Let's just take Daniel Jones as as a tiny microcosm of the whole
• 19:42
  thing. You Giants draft this guy,
• 19:44
  Daniel Jones, who they think can come into their system and make
• 19:48
  it work, and it doesn't, for whatever reason, that coach or
• 19:55
  whoever thinks that their system's better than molding as
• 19:58
  a quarterback. And so it's no, you're going to
• 20:00
  do it my way and this is the way it's going to be.
• 20:04
  And then the quarterback doesn't fit.
• 20:05
  For instance, when Lafleur came in with Aaron Rodgers.
• 20:10
  The Fleur wanted to run everything Lafleur's way and it
• 20:13
  didn't fit with Aaron Rodgers style of play.
• 20:15
  It just didn't work out. And so they bite their heads a
• 20:16
  lot and and we you hurt a lot because Aaron Rodgers is a
• 20:20
  pretty vocal guy about everything he's doing.
• 20:23
  And so it wasn't the way it wanted to be and it didn't work
• 20:26
  out. And so Aaron Rodgers and well,
• 20:28
  the Packers moved on from Rodgers and Jordan loves the guy
• 20:31
  who's like, OK, I'll just do it this way then.
• 20:33
  And it seems to be working OK for them.
• 20:35
  And same thing with with all these guys is that you get a a
• 20:39
  new coach in there who wants to run things his way and they pick
• 20:44
  whether they pick the quarterback or the GM picks the
• 20:46
  quarterback because they like them.
• 20:47
  It's a hey, I want you to run it my way.
• 20:50
  Where is when you're a veteran and you get to pick your own
• 20:53
  team like Daniel Jones, technically, you have to pick
• 20:56
  the Colts. The Colts offered him.
• 20:57
  He could have gone somewhere else.
• 20:59
  He said, yeah, OK, I'll, I'll go here.
• 21:00
  I don't think he was trading that.
• 21:01
  You believe he signed there And it was a this is a style of
• 21:04
  offense we're going to run. Can you run that?
• 21:07
  They're given the option at that point.
• 21:09
  Is this something you can function for us?
• 21:11
  This is what we're looking at. And so as they get older in
• 21:14
  their career, one experience and two, they get to kind of pick
• 21:18
  and choose where they want to go, which any reason, obviously
• 21:21
  not everybody's offering people like Daniel Jones or Matt Jones
• 21:24
  even to come to their team. But I think that's why we saw
• 21:27
  Anthony Richardson now work out with that team.
• 21:29
  Now skill may be part of it there well.
• 21:31
  That's because he's made of glass.
• 21:34
  Yeah, that's where the skill comes in.
• 21:36
  Yeah, he's heard it again and he's in the backup.
• 21:37
  I don't quite understand this one, but it's it's it's they
• 21:41
  don't fit the system that the coach is forcing the new
• 21:45
  quarterback to run. Whereas when they get older and
• 21:47
  more experiencing NFL, they're able to run or pick a system
• 21:51
  that fits the style of quarterback they are.
• 21:54
  OK, so I like the example of Aaron Rodgers, but I think he's
• 21:57
  in a little bit of a different category than these guys because
• 21:59
  Aaron Rodgers had success and he won a Super Bowl.
• 22:03
  But these guys like Sam Darnold and Matt and Baker Mayfield,
• 22:07
  they were all considered busts. Aaron Rodgers was never terrible
• 22:12
  at The Jets. He was terrible.
• 22:13
  Now, not the one season where you got hurt the other season,
• 22:16
  but that's. After that's after he's already
• 22:19
  had success though and he's passed his prime.
• 22:22
  So these guys are in their prime like right now, but they were
• 22:25
  considering busts before they got to where they are.
• 22:28
  So I think he's in a little bit of a different category than
• 22:31
  these guys. I can agree with that.
• 22:33
  I mean, Baker had success before he moved on to the Rams and
• 22:38
  there was a few other teams in there and then eventually the
• 22:40
  Buccaneers he wanted, he won a playoff game with the Browns.
• 22:43
  People forget that. I mean, they can't because
• 22:44
  everybody keeps saying it out loud.
• 22:46
  But but the bright he didn't fit the Brown system to coach and
• 22:50
  then the GM were like, no, no, we're going to run our way.
• 22:52
  And then we see how that's going for him rather than just looking
• 22:55
  Baker be Baker. So I think it's a big a big part
• 23:00
  of it is the coach, slash GM, slash owner or whoever is ego
• 23:05
  getting in the way of have you drafted this guy to do a thing
• 23:09
  he wants to do? That's why I think the Bills
• 23:12
  have had so much success with Josh Allen and the Ravens have
• 23:16
  had so much success with Lamar Jackson because they drafted
• 23:18
  these guys and they what they Josh Allen.
• 23:21
  I don't know if you guys remember this, but he was an
• 23:23
  awful quarterback when he came in the league.
• 23:25
  He could throw the ball the entire length of the football
• 23:27
  field, but his completion percentage was abysmal his first
• 23:31
  two years. But they they said, OK, this is
• 23:34
  what you can do. So let's play with any
• 23:36
  parameters while we build your skills around you.
• 23:39
  Just like Lamar Jackson, he couldn't throw the ball very
• 23:42
  accurately. He couldn't do anything with
• 23:44
  throwing it, but he was good enough at other things.
• 23:47
  He had, let's develop your skill of throwing the football.
• 23:50
  And so they take the the quarterback and they build the
• 23:53
  system around them versus a, hey, you're going to run my
• 23:57
  system and my team and then they just fizzle out because it
• 24:00
  doesn't work. For the most part, I I do agree
• 24:04
  that I think that there's some pride and maybe inability to
• 24:09
  adapt with a lot of players and coaches.
• 24:12
  I think that all of these guys are professional football
• 24:15
  players. Coaches, not so much.
• 24:19
  I think that can be if there's anybody on a team, coaches or
• 24:23
  players that could be a fraud or not actually that good, I would
• 24:27
  be the coaches. The players have to go through a
• 24:30
  grueling lifetime of, of their life, you know, process to prove
• 24:35
  that they're, you know, good enough to be up there.
• 24:36
  They are constantly being tested.
• 24:38
  And some of these coaches and you get a lot of them that, you
• 24:41
  know, you were a player and then you got brought onto the staff,
• 24:44
  maybe because the, you know, the head coach liked you.
• 24:46
  You play there, maybe the team's already doing pretty good.
• 24:49
  You get put in a coordinator position, you guys win, you get
• 24:52
  offered a head coach position. Maybe the team's already doing
• 24:54
  well, so you look good and then you get hired someone else.
• 24:56
  You don't, you don't do well, you get hired, passed around
• 24:59
  again, you don't do well. And it's kind of like, dude,
• 25:01
  you're kind of at the mercy of just how the team is like what
• 25:04
  you've already got. You're not the GM, you're not
• 25:06
  building a team here. You're just taking the reins.
• 25:09
  And so I feel like having, seeing how much movement there
• 25:13
  is in the coaching carousel makes sense to me because I feel
• 25:16
  like you should probably just be trying to pair the best coach
• 25:20
  with the players that you have. And I feel like a lot of times,
• 25:23
  like these players, when you see Daniel Jones, you see Sam
• 25:25
  Darnold, I mean, Donald's playing, I mean, playing for The
• 25:29
  Jets and the Panthers, I mean, it's like, dude, the fact that
• 25:32
  he, you know, wasn't written off is a miracle, you know?
• 25:36
  So like even him, I mean, I think last year with the
• 25:39
  Vikings, I think that proves like, OK, this guy's a
• 25:42
  competent, capable quarterback, but like, are you going to do
• 25:45
  what's necessary to make him good?
• 25:48
  And I think that's like, I mean, I think about Baker Mayfield is
• 25:51
  like the main example here where it's like you brought him in
• 25:54
  there and it's like Kate Baker, like he was known as being this
• 25:57
  bombastic, just, you know, competitor and winner.
• 26:00
  And so he like finally gets brought into Tampa Bay and they
• 26:03
  basically just say, you know, just do your thing, dude.
• 26:04
  Like, we know your game. We know you're a winner.
• 26:07
  Like let's win. And so I think it's this thing
• 26:10
  we're like, yeah, you free him up a little bit.
• 26:12
  You, you get him out of his own head.
• 26:14
  You give him the keys to the, you know, the, the Kingdom here.
• 26:17
  And then it's just more of like, hey, they're all having a good
• 26:19
  time. Joe and I were talking recently
• 26:21
  about just like this team just feels like they're having a good
• 26:23
  time. Like everyone else is like
• 26:25
  playing for their job, for their work.
• 26:27
  And these guys are just out here like 5 and and it's just working
• 26:31
  for him. And I think most of the time it
• 26:33
  just comes down to like, hey, are you going to unlock these
• 26:35
  players to do what they need to do the same thing with like, you
• 26:38
  know, stats. You talk about A.J.
• 26:40
  Brown not getting his stats. And I think Ocho Cinco made a
• 26:43
  point where it's like, yeah, dude, this is what gets them
• 26:45
  paid. Like, yeah, you want to win
• 26:47
  games. Quarterbacks care about that a
• 26:49
  lot more. Coaches care about that a lot
• 26:50
  more like receivers. Dude, if you don't have the
• 26:52
  production, teams are going to say, why would I pay you this
• 26:54
  much if you're not even producing that much?
• 26:57
  And so for them it's more of like, it's completely a numbers
• 26:59
  game. You know, if you want to get
• 27:00
  paid, you got to, you know, produce.
• 27:02
  Otherwise, you know, people look back at the stats like, oh,
• 27:04
  geez, you're not that good. That being said, I think that it
• 27:08
  comes down to the situation. I think every quarterback that
• 27:11
  comes into the league, unless it's like some hype train thing,
• 27:15
  hype train thing like Tebow or maybe even Johnny Manziel, where
• 27:19
  it's like, OK, like you did well there before, but like in those,
• 27:23
  I mean, not T-bone necessarily, but in Manziel, it's like, hey,
• 27:26
  this is your issue now. If you're not going to figure
• 27:29
  this out, no coach is going to help you.
• 27:31
  So that's part of the intangibles and everything.
• 27:33
  But if you're not looking to unlock that player or you're too
• 27:37
  stubborn to switch up your scheme, like, yeah, then they're
• 27:40
  not going to do very well. And I think that's the issue.
• 27:42
  I think a lot of fans see these players as black and white where
• 27:46
  it's like, I mean, well, they are black and white, but
• 27:49
  literally, but I, I, I think it's like you're good or you're
• 27:52
  not good and it's all, it's like, dude, they are a
• 27:55
  professional football player. Of course they're good.
• 27:58
  Are they going to be put in a good position?
• 28:01
  Is A.J. Brown now bad?
• 28:03
  It's like, no, he's not bad, just hasn't been throwing the
• 28:05
  ball to. Maybe he's been covered.
• 28:07
  Maybe they have a different game plan.
• 28:08
  So I think a lot of this is like it's just a situational fit.
• 28:11
  So I think bringing on a quarterback that wasn't good
• 28:13
  before, it's like, hey, dude, he might still not be good.
• 28:16
  Hopefully the, you know, the coaches recognize we need to
• 28:18
  change something up. He didn't produce over there.
• 28:20
  So we definitely can't do what we did or what they did over
• 28:23
  there. So it's not really much of an
• 28:26
  answer, but it is very much a it's like there's a lot of
• 28:30
  moving pieces and I don't think anyone in the league is all good
• 28:34
  or all bad. OK.
• 28:37
  So follow up question and we kind of already talked about it,
• 28:40
  but does a quarterback make a franchise or does a franchise
• 28:43
  make the quarterback or is it both?
• 28:49
  I tell you both because let's take Tom Brady, right?
• 28:53
  You take you take a player who is exceptional and, and it's
• 28:58
  it's almost undeniable that Tom Brady was exceptional.
• 29:01
  He's retired now. We cannot get over our hate for
• 29:04
  him because he was better than our teams.
• 29:06
  He was exceptional. But you take a coach who also
• 29:10
  was exceptional in the NFL, maybe not so much at UNC.
• 29:13
  Sorry, Avery. I hate it.
• 29:16
  I hate it. You take a coach who was also
• 29:19
  exceptional and both player and coach demanded the highest out
• 29:23
  of every other player on that team.
• 29:25
  And so when you can get multiple people, put your, your head
• 29:29
  coach and your leader on your team to both buy into the same
• 29:35
  train, their thought train, you're just going to be
• 29:39
  incredible. And so I, I think it's both
• 29:42
  because you took Brady and he went to Tampa and it was the
• 29:46
  same thing. You had exceptional quarterback
• 29:49
  and coach that also demanded the highest possible.
• 29:54
  They, they saw eye to eye with their expectations and they,
• 29:57
  they won the Super Bowl. And so I, I think it's both
• 30:01
  because you can be a great coach, but have a terrible, a
• 30:06
  terrible team and you're not going to go anywhere, but you
• 30:10
  can also be a terrible coach. You have a great team, you're
• 30:12
  not going to go anywhere. So.
• 30:14
  Another thing that I was thinking about recently this
• 30:18
  week is how I think we've all worked in work environments
• 30:23
  where there's one or two people where you're like, if they
• 30:26
  weren't here, morale would go through the roof.
• 30:29
  Like, everyone would be so much happier.
• 30:31
  Like, you'd be excited to come into work almost.
• 30:34
  And I wonder what that's like in the NFL locker room or really, I
• 30:40
  mean, even college where it's like, OK, if we didn't have this
• 30:44
  one guy here, like what would change?
• 30:46
  Like, like, would we? Because I can see, because I've
• 30:49
  had that happen in the workplaces where like someone's
• 30:52
  gone. It's like, dude, I'm almost like
• 30:53
  more motivated now. I'm almost like happier to like
• 30:56
  speak my mind, get a little bit more creative, whatever it is.
• 30:59
  And I feel like that would be the same thing in some of these
• 31:02
  locker rooms where it's like, dude, if there's tension, I
• 31:05
  mean, I watch that Cowboys documentary and it just showing
• 31:07
  like, just what's his a command? And I think it's Switzer right
• 31:12
  where they were just butt your heads by the end.
• 31:13
  And it just shows that there's not winning a lot of games.
• 31:16
  Never really addressing it. You can't really talk about it
• 31:20
  to the press because it's a bad form.
• 31:22
  And so it's like, what do we do? Just sit in this?
• 31:25
  Like, does Aikman take that to Jerry?
• 31:27
  Does he just have to deal with it?
• 31:29
  And it's like how many people are in a position, how many
• 31:31
  organizations like that are almost held hostage by this,
• 31:34
  where this you just have this cancer, this thing you just
• 31:37
  can't get rid of, you can't shake off as soon as you guys
• 31:40
  like if you know if you're winning, you're winning,
• 31:42
  everyone's happy if you're winning.
• 31:43
  But like, you know, you lose 1 game and then you get all this
• 31:46
  back biting and all this like resentment and stuff.
• 31:48
  I was listening to Golden Tate on the Busting in the boys
• 31:52
  busting with the boys podcast and he's just like talking crap
• 31:56
  about everyone with this guy's of like, I don't know what, I
• 31:59
  don't know what the deal is like that we just butted heads.
• 32:01
  Like this is the 7th person you've talked about that you
• 32:03
  don't know why you butt heads with.
• 32:05
  I think you might be an issue here.
• 32:07
  But like talking all these crazy stories that happened behind the
• 32:10
  scenes that clearly like affect the rest of the team.
• 32:13
  Like they're thinking just talking about Percy Harvin.
• 32:15
  They're going like the Super Bowl and they like had a fist
• 32:18
  fight like the night before. And then they're right like the,
• 32:21
  you know, anyway, I I just see some of that and I'm like, hey,
• 32:24
  there's got to be a lot of things where it's like not even
• 32:26
  the amount of like the quarterback, but maybe the
• 32:28
  quarterback and the coach set the tone.
• 32:31
  And I would think like Andy Reid and Mahomes where it's like,
• 32:35
  Hey, there doesn't seem to be a lot of drama here.
• 32:37
  It seems to be like a set in stone thing where you've got a,
• 32:39
  you've got leaders here and then it's more of following them than
• 32:42
  rather just like, I don't know. Or is our coach going to be here
• 32:45
  next year? Are these players going to be
• 32:47
  here? I'm looking to get paid.
• 32:49
  Our team's not winning. I don't really care anymore, you
• 32:52
  know? That's just like it's bringing
• 32:53
  everyone down anyway. I'm talking a lot.
• 32:56
  Well, on that Mahomes, Andy Reid thing, there was a lot of drama
• 33:01
  there, though, but it was it wasn't Mahomes versus Andy Reid.
• 33:04
  It was Mahomes versus own family.
• 33:07
  Like we all saw the stories of Jackson dancing on the memorial
• 33:11
  and Brittany Brittany Mahomes spring champagne, all those fans
• 33:15
  that weren't in the box. And like there was just so much
• 33:18
  familial drama. And Lincoln's been on here a
• 33:20
  couple times. And I said it that my home and
• 33:23
  Patrick has done a wonderful job of keeping his family out of it.
• 33:28
  I was almost certain that that was the main that Taylor Swift
• 33:32
  was a bit of an insult by the Chiefs to get Brittany and
• 33:36
  Jackson to just shut the heck up.
• 33:38
  And he's like, hey, you 2 go away.
• 33:40
  Look, we have a new fancy to wait here.
• 33:42
  And so obviously maybe not now. Congrats to them getting
• 33:45
  married. I guess.
• 33:46
  Whatever, do what you want. Shout out would but but anyway,
• 33:53
  I, I just think, I, I think that there was a lot of drama that
• 33:58
  could have gotten even worse. Like if if Patrick had not done
• 34:00
  anything about it and just let Jackson and Brittany do whatever
• 34:05
  they wanted consistently, because then I bet there would
• 34:07
  have been a lot of Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes drama.
• 34:10
  But Holmes took the needs of the team over that of his family,
• 34:16
  trying to gain whatever they were trying to gain off of them.
• 34:18
  They're like, hey, this is my job here.
• 34:21
  I have to work here. And not everybody's like that.
• 34:24
  Some people put themselves over the team and it's it's like,
• 34:26
  well, I'm here to get mine rather than I'm here to to win.
• 34:30
  And we saw a lot with the Patriots.
• 34:33
  They were just there to win. One thing that's that I've kind
• 34:38
  of noticed is like with that, with the Mahomes, the, you know,
• 34:41
  whatever Jackson and his wife, I see that as like you, that was
• 34:45
  all outside noise. I don't imagine a lot of that
• 34:48
  like affected the locker room like at all.
• 34:50
  Maybe it's jokes, like see people seeing like the public
• 34:53
  reacting to some of this stuff. But like, I feel like the stuff
• 34:57
  that really affects the team is stuff that we would never know
• 35:00
  about until later when they go on a podcast and let everyone
• 35:03
  know. But that is something that's
• 35:05
  like, yeah, you got to get that like under control.
• 35:08
  And sometimes it is messier like that, where it's like, what if
• 35:11
  it's your brother and your wife that are causing problems and
• 35:13
  it's like, OK, you just got to step back.
• 35:16
  You know, if you guys want this lifestyle, step back, you know?
• 35:20
  So like, that's. Yeah.
• 35:21
  Anyway, I, I just, I just think there are those things where
• 35:23
  it's like we could try to look at a team, like I wonder what's
• 35:27
  going on in there. It's like, The thing is, we're
• 35:28
  not going to know. We're not going to know because
• 35:30
  it's going to have so much context and so many little like
• 35:33
  things like they're never going to talk about this in the press
• 35:35
  or in interviews would just be a bad luck.
• 35:38
  It'll make the, you know, team morale even worse.
• 35:44
  You need someone in there to like, go crack some skulls and
• 35:47
  just be like, all right, hey, bad vibes, you're off the team.
• 35:49
  Get out. I have executive authority from
• 35:53
  Rodger Goodell. You're out.
• 35:57
  All right. So one more question for you
• 35:59
  guys in this segment, then we'll move on to the next thing.
• 36:01
  So are there any quarterbacks in the league right now that you
• 36:04
  would consider a bust, who you think would do well on another
• 36:08
  team? I think Jimmy Garoppolo would do
• 36:11
  great on any other team that's not the Rams and they should
• 36:13
  bring a different backup. That's what I think, yeah.
• 36:19
  I mean, you could take the bad teams, right?
• 36:20
  Like Dylan Gabriel, could he do better somewhere else?
• 36:23
  Should door Sanders? Could he they're.
• 36:25
  Not. They're not considered busts,
• 36:28
  though. That's at.
• 36:29
  Least not yet, Not yet. But look at I mean, Baker's a
• 36:32
  bad example because he actually won in the Browns.
• 36:34
  I mean, Justin Fields, right? I think he's.
• 36:36
  That's what I was going to say. He's a bust that he seems to be
• 36:40
  a bust that didn't do well on the Bears.
• 36:42
  He's not doing well on The Jets, but I don't know if there is a
• 36:45
  different system that he could do well in.
• 36:47
  Maybe he could beat Tyler Marie. He he wasn't great, but he did
• 36:51
  fine in Pittsburgh. Yeah, I I forgot he was in
• 36:55
  Pittsburgh. I think kind of what Will was
• 36:58
  saying about Josh Allen, what was that, Joel?
• 37:01
  One of you 2 had to be 1 of you 2.
• 37:04
  If it's good, I'll take great. Yeah, yeah, it was good advice.
• 37:07
  It was good insight. I think, you know, I think it
• 37:12
  honestly, if you took Justin Fields, I didn't realize how
• 37:14
  insanely athletic that guy is. Duke could play receiver, Duke
• 37:18
  could play running back. I feel like if you had now, I
• 37:22
  don't know if it's worth it to change the scheme of your
• 37:26
  offense enough to like centered around him or it's more of maybe
• 37:30
  even a Wildcat thing or something where you're utilizing
• 37:33
  him a little different. Because The thing is, he's not
• 37:34
  throwing the ball that well. He's not even being protected,
• 37:38
  which is kind of discounting his athleticism.
• 37:41
  I think I heard somewhere that he was like sacked of like the
• 37:44
  nine times he was sacked. It was all like 4 seconds in.
• 37:48
  It was like, dude, get rid of the ball or.
• 37:51
  Like. What are you still doing there?
• 37:53
  And I wonder like 8. I doubt that's just a judgement
• 37:57
  thing. I'm sure it's like, you know,
• 37:59
  hey, if you were quarterback, you got put in your
• 38:01
  quarterbacks. Your coach is like, hey, do this
• 38:03
  thing. You're like, I don't know if
• 38:03
  that would work because they just do it and you're like, OK,
• 38:06
  so you're like doing your best. And then if it's not perfect,
• 38:08
  like you're getting sacked, you're getting destroyed, you're
• 38:11
  throwing picks. I just, I feel like he's just in
• 38:14
  a not great. I mean, he's at The Jets.
• 38:16
  That should just go without saying.
• 38:17
  I feel like just leaving The Jets would already make him
• 38:21
  three times better. I have a look at Sam Darnold and
• 38:24
  Aaron Rodgers. They left The Jets and they're
• 38:27
  doing way better this year. And you have got not now, but
• 38:32
  Geno Smith. He was with The Jets and he was
• 38:35
  with a few other teams before he before he was with the Seahawks,
• 38:38
  but when he was with The Jets, he was not good.
• 38:44
  And then Bryce Young would be a lot better.
• 38:46
  That's what I was going to ask you guys that next.
• 38:48
  I was going to ask what you. Guys did about Bryce Young, but
• 38:50
  where, where would you put Bryce Avery?
• 38:53
  Oh. If you could trade quarterback
• 38:55
  from quarterback right now. It would.
• 38:57
  I mean, I don't want to. Do this.
• 39:04
  He might do just about as good. I think it might be just as good
• 39:08
  if he's on The Jets. I think he's that good that he
• 39:11
  could be some part mediocre, part of it.
• 39:16
  Yeah, that's true. I think.
• 39:18
  I think if I think if Bryce Young, if Baker Mayfield went
• 39:23
  down and somehow Bryce Young was on that team, I think he'd do
• 39:27
  pretty well. I don't know if he would.
• 39:29
  I don't think he would be as good, but like, I think numbers
• 39:32
  wise, I think you would have the protection he needs and the and
• 39:35
  the threats, the weapons that he would, I think the weapons that
• 39:40
  he would have would help him put up some really good numbers.
• 39:43
  So I think most of the time, I mean, dude, you get sacked once
• 39:46
  it's in your head, you know, your line starts falling apart.
• 39:50
  You're not as confident making those throws and then everything
• 39:53
  just kind of tumbles. You know, that's why you see
• 39:56
  like a quarterback who's on one and then they just keep, you
• 39:59
  know, performing. I just think Fields Fields
• 40:03
  hasn't even played every game this year and he got hurt one
• 40:06
  and missed one. He's been sick 19 times.
• 40:11
  That's 3.8 times per game and he missed a game.
• 40:16
  But now it's of the five games he's played in.
• 40:18
  So it doesn't count the 6th 1:00, but it also counts the
• 40:21
  partial game that he got hurt in. 19 times is a lot.
• 40:25
  That's a lot. I don't know if that's leading
• 40:28
  in the NFL or not, but that. Is I know exactly.
• 40:30
  Many times and. Then with 25 sacks.
• 40:34
  Cheaply. Cam Horde.
• 40:37
  Oh yeah, checks out. I can't even call.
• 40:40
  I won't even call him a bust. And if you have the highest
• 40:43
  amount of sacks in the league, I'm not even going to.
• 40:46
  You don't even qualify to be a bust.
• 40:48
  I'm like, let's see you not be on the ground for a second
• 40:51
  before I, you know, put that label on you.
• 40:54
  You know, I bet if you were to take Ken Ward and put him on the
• 40:57
  Raiders, it's just full swap Gino and Ken Ward.
• 41:02
  I bet the Raiders are very good. I could see that.
• 41:08
  Because Ken Ward can sling it and the Raiders do have some
• 41:10
  good tea. Or some good.
• 41:12
  Well, their. Offensive line's not that great
• 41:15
  though. Yeah, he had an 18 sacks.
• 41:19
  But the difference is, is that you're more afraid of the
• 41:21
  Raiders running the football than you are the Titans running
• 41:24
  the football. And so you have to respect to
• 41:27
  run a bit more. So you have to do the Pete
• 41:29
  Carroll play action thing and and Gino just doesn't seem to be
• 41:32
  get there right now. Dude Jones, Daniel only been
• 41:37
  sacked five times. Yeah, dude, they're keeping him
• 41:40
  clean. Danny Jones, yeah.
• 41:44
  I mean, the Colts have had a good offensive line for years
• 41:47
  now. They just haven't had a
• 41:48
  quarterback to play back there. Did Brock Purdy get hurt on the
• 41:53
  field or like off? It was on it.
• 41:58
  Was on the game. Was it one?
• 42:00
  That's 2 packs? But that's just because he got a
• 42:02
  huge contract. That's the only reason why.
• 42:05
  True. I'm surprised.
• 42:07
  I think the world was surprised. Christian Mccaffrey's still
• 42:10
  upright. Yeah, Avery said that last week,
• 42:12
  didn't he? What was I saw?
• 42:14
  I saw a video. It was like Fred Warner.
• 42:18
  We have to sacrifice him to keep McCaffrey.
• 42:20
  Healthy for one more. Game sacrificing 49ers players
• 42:25
  to keep McCaffrey alive. Although of all players
• 42:29
  sacrifice, Fred Warner was not the guy.
• 42:31
  That Niger defense got significantly worse once he went
• 42:34
  out. He is the heart and soul of
• 42:36
  pretty much that entire team and especially that defense.
• 42:39
  I felt bad for him. And did you see it?
• 42:41
  Did you guys see that happen? Like see the replay of it?
• 42:44
  No, I don't like to I. Don't.
• 42:46
  I I. Wouldn't like to, but I didn't
• 42:48
  see it. I I if you don't want to, don't.
• 42:51
  It was it's bad. His his legs a different
• 42:55
  direction. Yeah, I saw the Tyree kill
• 42:57
  injury and after that I don't want to see any more.
• 42:58
  Injuries. Dude, Kevin Ware scarred me for
• 43:01
  life. Kevin Ware actually his first
• 43:02
  last document. That guy.
• 43:06
  Yeah. All right.
• 43:06
  So well, this last topic we have was your idea, so do you want to
• 43:12
  introduce it to us? Nope, you don't.
• 43:16
  You don't even remember what it is do.
• 43:18
  You yeah, AFC divisional playoffs, of course I do.
• 43:21
  So we're going to talk about now the let me let me go through the
• 43:25
  current rankings one through 7 in the expanded playoffs we have
• 43:29
  now and we're talking AFC specifically, right?
• 43:32
  Yes, just AFC. So currently in the AFC one
• 43:36
  through 7 we've got Colts at #1 Steelers AT2, Chargers at 3,
• 43:41
  Patriots at 4, Bills sitting in the wild card spot at 5,
• 43:45
  Jacksonville the next wild card spot at 7, and the Broncos.
• 43:49
  Or excuse me, Jacksonville is 6th and the Broncos in the 7th
• 43:53
  and final or the 3rd and final wild card spot right #7 So
• 43:58
  notably not in the playoff picture currently is the Chiefs.
• 44:02
  They're pretty much the only one I would consider maybe put in
• 44:06
  there. But but through them, let's talk
• 44:09
  about possibility of making the playoffs for the NFC side of the
• 44:15
  NFL. AFC.
• 44:18
  Excuse me AFC, thank you. This is why you do things.
• 44:21
  Jewel and I just make FUD Weiner jokes.
• 44:25
  I tried to give you guys a chance every once in a while.
• 44:28
  And we drop it. We drop the ball every time.
• 44:31
  We are the Titan receivers. You are Cam Ward.
• 44:34
  We just cannot catch the football.
• 44:36
  You throw it to us all the time. We can't do it it.
• 44:39
  Was. Like it's the NFC and Joe's like
• 44:41
  close, close. Like AFC, Like yeah, there you
• 44:44
  go, 50%. Chance to get it right.
• 44:47
  You got it. There you go.
• 44:48
  That's that's close though. Hey, it's better than the it's
• 44:51
  better than the last time I handed it off to you.
• 44:53
  You just completely jumped off the podcast.
• 44:59
  My Internet go down or something I don't even remember.
• 45:01
  That I was just like, will take it away and you're just like,
• 45:05
  Nope, I'm gone, all right? Anyways, I agree with what you
• 45:15
  said. Will I?
• 45:16
  I see this. I see the AFC standings as eight
• 45:20
  teams competing for seven spots because you have the Chiefs in
• 45:23
  the eighth spot and then you have everybody else after that
• 45:25
  and I don't see anybody else after that making the playoffs.
• 45:29
  And I think there's really eight teams competing for seven spots
• 45:32
  in the AFCI. Think this is the earliest I've
• 45:34
  ever seen it where the race is this tight like like usually in
• 45:39
  in six weeks into the season, we're still looking at at where
• 45:43
  there's 16 teams on the side. We're looking at at least 10,
• 45:46
  right? At least 10 teams that could
• 45:47
  possibly make it. But we're already down to the
• 45:50
  chances are there's only going to be 7.
• 45:53
  I don't see sitting like third places here like the Bengals,
• 45:57
  they're not going to make a run. Texans chances are low.
• 46:01
  Really, you're only looking at the AFC West and the Chiefs on
• 46:04
  if they can do anything or not. Right.
• 46:07
  Yeah, the the Patriots and Bills are clearly the two best teams
• 46:11
  in that division. The Steelers are just going to
• 46:13
  run away with that division. Although I do see the Steelers
• 46:16
  as as the same thing as every year where they they just have
• 46:19
  this easy schedule and then towards the end of the year when
• 46:22
  it gets closer to the playoffs, they'll just start to fade away
• 46:24
  little by little. And then they'll get into the
• 46:26
  playoffs and they'll just lose their first game.
• 46:28
  So I just see the Steelers as the same, but they don't have
• 46:30
  any competition right now in that division.
• 46:32
  And then you've got the three teams in the AFC West and you've
• 46:35
  got the Colts and the Jags. Now, if I had to pick so, so I
• 46:40
  mentioned before I said there's eight teams competing for seven
• 46:42
  spots. If I had to pick one team to not
• 46:45
  make those seven spots, it's the Jags.
• 46:48
  And the reason why is because they have the worst quarterback
• 46:51
  of all those eight teams. Trevor Lawrence is by far the
• 46:55
  worst quarterback of all the eight teams.
• 46:57
  Not even just just based off of opinion.
• 46:59
  It's like statistically he is the worst quarterback of those
• 47:03
  eight teams that are competing for those seven playoff spots
• 47:06
  right now. So if I had to pick one to go
• 47:08
  out, I would say the Jags and I got to apologize to our fan and
• 47:13
  Will's Co worker Lil Kirkin for because the Jags fan.
• 47:18
  So I apologize, but I I don't long term like I don't trust the
• 47:22
  Jags because of Trevor Lawrence. I want to say I know he's not
• 47:27
  considered a bust. He is a starting quarterback.
• 47:30
  But I think if Trevor Lawrence got put on the right team, I
• 47:35
  think he could pop off. I think he's I think he is
• 47:40
  someone who could kind of that Sam darn old position was like,
• 47:43
  dude, you put him on a team with a good line, some good weapons,
• 47:47
  I bet, and the right coach, I'll bet he could pop off.
• 47:52
  I think Trevor Lawrence's problem is that he's just been
• 47:55
  like he he was the freshman quarterback who led Clemson to a
• 48:00
  national championship. And then ever since then he's
• 48:02
  just supposed like he was supposed to have been the next
• 48:06
  Tom Brady, right? Like he was supposed to be the
• 48:08
  next generational guy. And I don't think that he I
• 48:12
  don't think he could handle that.
• 48:13
  And so I think that's really just what Trevor Lawrence's
• 48:16
  problem is kind. Of the same with Deshaun Watson.
• 48:18
  I think a lot of that, I think that rest of those Clemson teams
• 48:24
  just made those quarterbacks look extra good.
• 48:26
  Yeah, I agree. I mean, same thing with Arch
• 48:29
  Manning, right? He's still in college.
• 48:31
  He was supposed to be the guy. And this year, they just dropped
• 48:34
  out the face of the earth. Dude, he played last year, he
• 48:37
  played like 2 games, like salt, like full games, and he did
• 48:41
  well. And so like seeing him, I mean,
• 48:43
  he's been, I mean, yeah, he's been doing better than he was,
• 48:48
  but not great. But I'm like Kate, where was
• 48:50
  last year's arch? Like that dude was actually like
• 48:54
  balling out. And this one's like grimacing
• 48:57
  when he throws the ball. Or last year's arch was fighting
• 49:01
  for a starting spot. This year's arch is just being
• 49:04
  handed one. Yeah, and we now know why he
• 49:07
  wasn't starting. Right I I.
• 49:11
  Quinn, yours was a baller. Yeah, Quinn, Yours.
• 49:13
  He actually did well. He deserved the spot.
• 49:17
  Yeah. Thoughts on the AFC playoff?
• 49:21
  AFC Sorry. Freaking.
• 49:23
  Head no, that's that's that that's me.
• 49:26
  I got to apologize because you're leading this one will so.
• 49:30
  No, yeah, I'm not leading anything matter of fact here.
• 49:34
  I recuse myself, Yeah, I think, I think the Jaguars will
• 49:41
  probably not make it in trying to think because I did say that
• 49:48
  the Chiefs wouldn't make the playoffs and I really don't want
• 49:51
  them to. But I don't know if there's any
• 49:55
  other team besides the Jaguars, maybe the Texans that could like
• 50:03
  make it. Based off of what we've seen
• 50:06
  from the text and so far, there's no way.
• 50:09
  It's just sad that they'll end up making it on a technicality
• 50:12
  that the AF, the bottom half, the AFC is just dog water.
• 50:15
  Like they're just going to make it by default.
• 50:21
  So here's a question for you guys.
• 50:24
  Of the four divisions in the AFC, the American Football
• 50:29
  Conference crashed at that time. There you go.
• 50:31
  There you go. Let's actually, let's actually
• 50:34
  take the four winners. We've got Patriots, Steelers,
• 50:38
  Colts, Chargers. Do you see all four of those
• 50:43
  current leaders in the AFC got it again, two in a row holding
• 50:49
  on and and winning their divisions?
• 50:52
  Or do you not see them winning? Who, who and what?
• 50:55
  Who, who you? Have Colts wins it?
• 50:57
  Before I say my answer, I got to say, well, that was a very good
• 50:59
  leading question right there. It's a very.
• 51:02
  Good leading question, thank you.
• 51:04
  I will. I checked GPT while you were
• 51:07
  talking. But no, I don't see all four
• 51:12
  current division winners or division leaders, I should say.
• 51:16
  I don't see all four current division leaders staying as the
• 51:19
  division leaders when the playoffs come around.
• 51:22
  I think the Patriots and Bills could go either way, honestly,
• 51:25
  because the Patriots are doing much better than a lot of people
• 51:28
  expected. Although I will say I did have
• 51:30
  them making the playoffs, so I'll take some credit for that
• 51:32
  one. But the the Steelers are going
• 51:34
  to win and I think the Colts are going to win.
• 51:36
  I don't think there's, I don't think the Jags are going to win
• 51:39
  that division. So I think Steelers and Colts,
• 51:40
  the Chargers, Broncos and Chiefs, it's going to be yeah,
• 51:45
  yeah, that's, that's going to be tough.
• 51:48
  I think the Broncos need to figure out what the heck they're
• 51:50
  doing on offense. But that defense, dude, they are
• 51:54
  they're good. They're legit are have looked
• 51:56
  good and they've looked also looked bad.
• 51:57
  And same thing with the Chiefs. They've they've looked good and
• 52:00
  they've also looked bad. So I think that could go anyway.
• 52:04
  And I think it's kind of a toss up between the Patriots and the
• 52:06
  Bills. Then let me ask a follow up to
• 52:08
  that. Well, you guys currently, so I
• 52:12
  guess we already did this. Never mind.
• 52:13
  So this is a bad question, but so so hold on, let me let me let
• 52:17
  me go again here. We've got the Jags out.
• 52:20
  We have the chiefs potentially in so re rank them and and maybe
• 52:25
  not full one to seven but give me your 4.
• 52:28
  Division leaders and your three wild.
• 52:29
  Card games by by end of season the based on the first six
• 52:35
  weeks. I'm still going to go with the
• 52:40
  Bills in the AFC East. Yep, Steelers, obviously in the
• 52:43
  AFC North. Yep, AFC West.
• 52:47
  I feel like the Chiefs are going to win it.
• 52:49
  I really do. Yep.
• 52:50
  And the AFC S is going to be the Colts.
• 52:53
  OK, so there's your four winners.
• 52:54
  Now give me your three. Wild.
• 52:55
  Card teams? Well, not the Jags.
• 52:58
  Because I already said I don't think the Jags.
• 53:00
  Are going to make it so it would be the Patriots, the Chargers
• 53:03
  and the Broncos. OK, Avery.
• 53:07
  Who are your four winners? I think the Bells are going to
• 53:10
  beat out the Patriots. For the East, I think the jeez.
• 53:17
  I mean, unless the Ravens really figure it out, I don't see
• 53:21
  anyone challenging the Steelers. They won't.
• 53:24
  Don't even, I mean. Cincinnati's got a better record
• 53:26
  than. Them, but they've got even less
• 53:27
  of a chance to get back. The Steelers would have to
• 53:30
  absolutely just. Crumble.
• 53:32
  And then the fact that the Browns.
• 53:34
  Are below. Both of those is just the most
• 53:37
  embarrassing thing. Steelers.
• 53:43
  Yeah, Aaron. Rodgers like, oh, we're winning.
• 53:44
  We won our division. Like yeah, I three division,
• 53:49
  yeah, if it was 3. Geriatrics.
• 53:51
  Yeah, Like, yeah, you better. You better be leading the South.
• 53:59
  I got the Colts. I think the Jaguars will
• 54:02
  actually make a wild card based on right now.
• 54:07
  So who's out in the AFC West then?
• 54:10
  Oh, sorry, I just I. Just went, Oh yeah, the Chiefs.
• 54:15
  I think the Broncos. Are going to end up, yeah,
• 54:19
  they're not good. They think Rasheed Rice is going
• 54:22
  to change their fortunes. They're not going to get any
• 54:24
  better somehow. And I think, yeah, I think the
• 54:29
  Broncos, actually. Win in the West, I think they
• 54:32
  just keep getting better throughout the season and I
• 54:34
  think it ends up passing over the Chargers.
• 54:37
  I think the Raiders end up beating up on the Chiefs too.
• 54:40
  Chiefs end up in last place. The Raiders wow in the in.
• 54:45
  The conference. I know, just kidding.
• 54:49
  I. Know, I know, they end.
• 54:50
  Up The Jets end up winning. More games in the Chiefs this
• 54:52
  year and then. As.
• 54:56
  My wild card picks. Patriots, Jags.
• 55:00
  And. Chargers OK, What about you,
• 55:02
  Will? I think I've got the Patriots.
• 55:04
  In the East. Patriots, Steelers, Colts and
• 55:11
  Broncos. And I've got Wild.
• 55:15
  Card teams, I've got the. Bills, the Jags and the Chiefs.
• 55:22
  Chargers don't make the playoffs this year.
• 55:24
  Chargers are going to charge her.
• 55:26
  Chargers are going. To charge her charger.
• 55:28
  Hardly know her. I also think I also think that
• 55:35
  if the chargers. Don't make the playoffs, and I
• 55:37
  keep your guys opinion on this. The Chargers don't make the
• 55:39
  playoffs this year. It's Harbaugh's last year and
• 55:43
  really in Los Angeles. Are you?
• 55:46
  Are you? Making a prediction or is that?
• 55:48
  Yeah, no. This is a question I I think
• 55:50
  that if. They don't, then he won't, then
• 55:53
  it'll be his last year. But what do you guys think about
• 55:56
  that? I think it's too soon.
• 55:58
  You'll stick around. I think it's.
• 56:00
  Way too. I don't know where else you
• 56:01
  would. Jump to.
• 56:03
  He hasn't. Even like brought in the
• 56:05
  infractions on the team yet like once he starts, yeah, he has to
• 56:09
  do that once the league. Starts throwing the hammer.
• 56:12
  Down on and then he'll be all right.
• 56:13
  Now it's time to leave. That's my queue.
• 56:15
  That's been the that's been his MO for a while now.
• 56:21
  Yeah, I don't think. I don't know where in his. 2nd
• 56:25
  year. Isn't this only his second year?
• 56:31
  Where does John? Harbaugh go after this year.
• 56:34
  Yeah, that's the better question.
• 56:36
  That's good question. Yeah, Are they?
• 56:40
  Brothers, I'm kidding. OK?
• 56:41
  Yeah. What are you looking up with his
• 56:45
  life? I'm trying to read.
• 56:47
  How Harvard's been in Los Angeles since I beat Michigan.
• 56:53
  Like 2 years. The two years.
• 56:54
  Three years. This is only won the national
• 56:57
  championship. Yeah.
• 56:59
  Yeah, this is only a second year.
• 57:02
  Yeah, won a national. Championship got a bunch of
• 57:04
  infractions. Dipped out to the NFL?
• 57:07
  Yeah, I think there's still a short leaf shining.
• 57:09
  Now. This might not be his last year,
• 57:11
  but there's I don't. Know I that's what you're
• 57:15
  saying. That's what you're saying.
• 57:16
  It's. Real.
• 57:16
  I don't. Think, I don't think teams like
• 57:18
  to get rid of their. Coaches like that quick unless
• 57:20
  the team is just absolutely terrible.
• 57:25
  I I just think I would still have.
• 57:26
  I would still have. Trust in him.
• 57:29
  I mean if if they finish like 7 or at least you know a decent.
• 57:33
  Winning record. I'd be like, hey, I'm not going
• 57:36
  to count again. I'm not going to bet against Jim
• 57:38
  Harbaugh. Long term it also depends on.
• 57:43
  How the rest of the season. Goes like if they miss the
• 57:45
  playoffs but they're like 9:00 and 8:00 or they miss the
• 57:48
  playoffs with ten wins, like that's a different story versus
• 57:52
  they're four and two right now and they end the season with
• 57:55
  five wins like that. That's completely different.
• 57:58
  So I don't think that's going to happen, but there's a
• 58:00
  possibility they missed the playoffs, but I don't think they
• 58:03
  would. I don't think they would be that
• 58:05
  bad. Oh super super off topic still
• 58:12
  football related. I was looking at the Kansas City
• 58:15
  schedule and on ESPN it shows the ticket prices next to it and
• 58:20
  I'm so used to seeing the Cowboys ones like oh that's the
• 58:23
  Cowboys game because it's super expensive.
• 58:25
  At Buffalo, the tickets as low as 417 dollars.
• 58:32
  Do you want to guess what the Dallas game is as low as?
• 58:35
  And it's in. It's at Dallas, Dallas, Kansas
• 58:39
  City. Yeah.
• 58:43
  I don't know. 900 bucks. Joel. 600. 80. 4 Whoa.
• 58:52
  Whoa. On on the Chiefs.
• 58:55
  Schedule The next lowest game is the Titans.
• 59:01
  At 113 dollars. That's the cheapest it's ever
• 59:05
  been. 84 bucks it's probably like.
• 59:09
  Out in the parking lot. You know what?
• 59:12
  You know what, Avery? You're right though.
• 59:14
  Dallas has multiple standing rooms only sections.
• 59:18
  Those are standing rooms. Yeah, you're right.
• 59:20
  Those are standing room only seats.
• 59:22
  Yep. You called it basically the
• 59:23
  parking. Lot good poll.
• 59:26
  Avery, good poll. Yeah, I'm looking at.
• 59:30
  I'm looking at Ticketmaster. Now, and yeah, that is.
• 59:33
  Yeah, if you sit where Jake and I sat, I think we we watched a
• 59:37
  game versus the Giants, a couple.
• 59:40
  Years ago and. The seats that we were in are
• 59:45
  12. $100 now, yeah. That sounds.
• 59:49
  Oh, shoot. The very the upper.
• 59:51
  Deck the highest. Up 500 bucks?
• 59:54
  Yep. Well, that's what happens when
• 59:56
  your team is. Going to the Super Bowl every
• 59:57
  year. Yeah, man, that's what happens.
• 1:00:00
  What? A wild bar.
• 1:00:02
  Cover charge. Just a just a cover charge to
• 1:00:08
  get in there and like he now you.
• 1:00:09
  Can buy drinks now you're allowed to buy our drinks you
• 1:00:13
  can't see the game, but you can buy our drinks, you can buy
• 1:00:15
  stuff and. Having been to a game.
• 1:00:21
  There the stand your room only if you have a seat, you can go
• 1:00:26
  stand in the stand your room only seats.
• 1:00:27
  Yeah, yeah. And just with everyone.
• 1:00:30
  Else no packed because everybody who has because.
• 1:00:33
  Again, it's just it's an open bar at that point.
• 1:00:36
  You just stand around and drink and it's like, well, basically
• 1:00:38
  paid $80.00 to come into. The game without a.
• 1:00:41
  Seat. Yeah, you're not going to.
• 1:00:44
  Sit. Sorry, Jill.
• 1:00:46
  You try to wrap this up. Your wife's about to yell at
• 1:00:48
  you. Unless you want to do it I.
• 1:00:52
  Sure don't. All right, well.
• 1:00:55
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