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7/16/26: Trump Eyes Ground Invasion, Minab Strike Coverup, Massie & Ro On Epstein Act 2, Dems Push Israel Cuts · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 3: Indeed, we do.
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  Speaker 2: Latest on the Iran war as Trump reportedly explores ground options.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure that will go great. He also seemingly is
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  Speaker 2: announcing a cover up of what exactly happened when we
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  Speaker 2: bombed that monob Girls school in Iran. Rocana and Thomas
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  Speaker 3: They have a lot to talk about. They have a
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  Speaker 3: new Epstein Transparency Act.
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  Speaker 2: That they are pushing that would helped to enable prosecutions
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  Speaker 2: in places like New Mexico with the Azora Ranch. They
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  Speaker 2: also are just coming out the heels of this big
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  Speaker 2: vote in the House on Massi's amendment to strip aid
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  Speaker 2: from Israel, which created a whole fraction within the Democratic Caucus.
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  Speaker 3: So very very excited to have.
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  Speaker 2: here about Brad par Scale. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: guys remember this guy, but he was the campaign chief
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  Speaker 2: for Trump. He has now got a forty five million
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  Speaker 2: dollar contract to run a pro Israel influence operation that
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  Speaker 2: is effectively targeting undermining the Iranian war negotiations. So pretty
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  Speaker 2: fascinating dynamics there, and always important to expose who is
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  Speaker 1: ahead and start, as Crystal said, with the Iran war.
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  Speaker 1: Let's put a one up here on the screen. Some
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  Speaker 1: very troubling news out from the Wall Street Journal. Trump
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  Speaker 1: leans towards expanding US military options in Iran quote while
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  Speaker 1: preferring diplomacy. Trump was briefed this week on options including
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  Speaker 1: use of ground troops and the bombing of Pickaxe Mountain.
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  Speaker 1: The long time watchers of the show will know all
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  Speaker 1: about Pickaxe Mountain, which has become kind of this neo
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  Speaker 1: con What's that castle the Israelis took in Lebanon, a
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  Speaker 1: useless castle like Bingford Castle. So the Pickaxe Mountain is
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  Speaker 1: the Buford Castle of the American neo cons where they've
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  Speaker 1: just decided this this mountain, it's gotta go alleged nuclear
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  Speaker 1: linked site. And you know, we can't finish the job
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  Speaker 1: until we've taken Pickaxe Mountain. But what's even more troubling
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  Speaker 1: here is that in the situation room meeting they discuss quote,
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  Speaker 1: potential seizure of carg Island, which Trump has talked about,
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  Speaker 1: territory all along the street of horn moves using US troops,
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  Speaker 1: the bombing of the tunnel complex at Pickax Mountain, and
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  Speaker 1: expanding air strikes against more targets in Iran, including energy strikes,
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  Speaker 1: all including that as a possibility. So there are some
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  Speaker 1: countervailing signs which will play for all of you. But
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  Speaker 1: right now, all the signs currently point towards more war.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put a two up here on
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  Speaker 1: the screen. A very predictable thing is the same time
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  Speaker 1: Trump is considering expanding military options, you have President Trump
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  Speaker 1: says Ian called them a while ago, and now they
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  Speaker 1: want to make a deal. And you also have, of
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  Speaker 1: course the US stock market, which extended its rally immediately
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  Speaker 1: upon the news. They never really learn, do they, although
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  Speaker 1: they did end up closing down at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and I know we do mention this quite
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  Speaker 1: a bit, but you have to.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I just feel like it's so titanic that and everything
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  Speaker 1: seems like it's fine. But with the oil where it's at,
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  Speaker 1: everyone who can read a chart, they're scared, and they're
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  Speaker 1: beyond scared actually with the resumption of hostilities. Put a
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  Speaker 1: three up here. The traders themselves, the people who have
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  Speaker 1: been buying the Trump taco and all of that, largely
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  Speaker 1: have been you know, on the side of it's not
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  Speaker 1: as bad as some of the worst purveyors of doom
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  Speaker 1: had said in the original war. They are now coming
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  Speaker 1: out and saying we're close to running on empty as
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  Speaker 1: the horn MoU straight is shut down again. So what
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  Speaker 1: they write is that member countries have already released three
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  Speaker 1: quarters of the planned four hundred million barrel emergency stock
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  Speaker 1: release that was announced in March. Quote, we have burned
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  Speaker 1: through all the buffers, we had everything, All of that
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  Speaker 1: is gone.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Oil prices have now rebounded somewhere around eighty to eighty
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  Speaker 1: five dollars a barrel. That's as highest since the original
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  Speaker 1: ceasefire was announced over a month ago. And what they
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  Speaker 1: also point out is that now the agreement that governments
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  Speaker 1: in the West and Asia quote had pulled almost every
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  Speaker 1: lever available to them to ensure a supply crunch would
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  Speaker 1: not undermine the world economy. Western powers have already released,
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  Speaker 1: you know, vast amounts of their strategic petroleum reserve. But
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  Speaker 1: what they say here specifically, is that there's no more
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  Speaker 1: slack left within the system. And so if we do
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  Speaker 1: see another six to eight weeks or maybe even a
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  Speaker 1: few more months of war, it is almost inevitable that
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  Speaker 1: shortages will come up somewhere. It won't be here in America.
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  Speaker 1: It certainly won't because we'll all just pay a very
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  Speaker 1: very high price. But there's all of these other, you know,
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  Speaker 1: factors that come into play. Where the Asian powers are
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  Speaker 1: the ones who you know, you know, I read the
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  Speaker 1: Asian press almost every day just to see what they're
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  Speaker 1: saying about Iran, and they were actually pretty muted over
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  Speaker 1: the last few months. We're back to panic. They're like
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  Speaker 1: this is They're like, here we go. What are we
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  Speaker 1: going to do? How are we going to get this
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  Speaker 1: oil out? It's forty days away, you know, forty days
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  Speaker 1: because in terms of tanker time. They're like, after that
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  Speaker 1: we might run dry again. So the panic is setting
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  Speaker 1: back across East Asia.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think we should take the present's word
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  Speaker 2: for it when he said, hey, another four weeks, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to be Herbert Hoover and we're going to have
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of crisis because of the oil. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he said that when you signed the MoU and I
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  Speaker 2: think he was telling the truth at that point. And
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  Speaker 2: certainly he has analysts and also had all of the
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  Speaker 2: CEOs of the large oil and gas companies who came
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  Speaker 2: to him and were saying, hey, this is where we're at.
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  Speaker 2: So that timeline, you know, is rapidly approaching. The clock
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  Speaker 2: is ticking. And in this article from the Financial Times,
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  Speaker 2: they have specific numbers that IEA on Friday said it's
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  Speaker 2: members member countries had released almost three quarters of the
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  Speaker 2: planned four hundred million barrel emergency stock release. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you guys watch Ryan's interview with Robert Pape yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: Pape was sounding the alarm about this as well.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the idea was that Jade Vance floated, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to take this time to be able to refuel, restock, reload,
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  Speaker 2: whatever the verbiage was. Part of that was refilling the
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  Speaker 2: strategic petroleum reserve. They have not done that, so we
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  Speaker 2: continue to have a dwindling of the strategy petroleum reserve
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  Speaker 2: here in the US, where you're now getting down to
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  Speaker 2: the literal bottom of the barrel. There isn't a lot
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  Speaker 2: more buffer there. We don't know what China's going to do.
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  Speaker 2: China has taken extraordinary measures himself to reduce the amount
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  Speaker 2: of oil that they were importing from abroad. How long
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  Speaker 2: is that going to last? It really, really is a
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  Speaker 2: very troubling situation. And you know, so, I'm sure this
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  Speaker 2: is why Trump's coming out and saying, oh, they want
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  Speaker 2: to make a deal, et cetera. But I can tell
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  Speaker 2: you this morning, I was just reading an article in CNBC.
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  Speaker 2: The Iranians are threatening aggressive retaliation because Trump is once
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  Speaker 2: again saying, oh, We're going to blow up their bridges,
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  Speaker 2: their power plants, et cetera, with some credibility because they
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  Speaker 2: have a tax civilian infrastructure with no qualms. In the past,
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  Speaker 2: the Iranians said, everything in the region that is still intact,
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  Speaker 2: all the infrastructure in the region will be crushed under
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  Speaker 2: the steel blows of the powerful armed forces of the
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  Speaker 2: Islamic Republic of Iran. So no trace of them remains,
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  Speaker 2: and it is as if they never existed in the
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  Speaker 2: first place. They added that under no circumstances and in
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  Speaker 2: no way what we allow Americas, a foreign an extra
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  Speaker 2: regional country to interfere in the Strait of Hormus. This
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  Speaker 2: is Iran's invincible red line. Now, obviously there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of propaganda bluster there, but in terms of the Strait
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  Speaker 2: of Hormuz being a hard red line that they will enforce,
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  Speaker 2: I think they have a lot of credibility at this
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  Speaker 2: point on that front.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're totally right. I think what, really, you know,
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  Speaker 1: is worrisome is the disconnect in the messaging from the
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  Speaker 1: US government. And so Trump yesterday gave an interview where
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  Speaker 1: you know, he was said, well, maybe we'll just wipe
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  Speaker 1: them out, like in terms of the IRGC, and of
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  Speaker 1: course some Fox News interview, these people have, you know,
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  Speaker 1: their IQ has got to be like bottom of the barrel.
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  Speaker 1: He goes, are you just gonna wipe out the IRGC
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  Speaker 1: like you did? Isis? I'm like, yeah, it's not like
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  Speaker 1: we didn't just try to wipe out the IRGC. Are
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: you an idiot? Anyways, I digress, and Trump goes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I will. Meanwhile, the Vice President on the Joe
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  Speaker 1: Rogan podcast is making this tortured effort to say diplomacy
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  Speaker 1: is still on track. These are just blips in the radar, right,
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, in some ways he does say the
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  Speaker 1: truth out loud, which is for the people who want
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  Speaker 1: us to keep bombing, there's nothing else that can be done.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, eventually, we do have to sit across from
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  Speaker 1: the table, but you have to convince Trump of that.
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  Speaker 1: So here is jd vance A seven. I'm gonna start
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  Speaker 1: with saying, look, the people who want us to keep
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  Speaker 1: bom bombing, they have no solution. I would just add
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: the addendum is here He's trying to go after the neocons.
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  Speaker 1: Trump is also one of those neo cons at least
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  Speaker 1: as of right now. Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 4: What is their proposal? The people that think you shouldn't
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  Speaker 4: negotiate with you, Ron.
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  Speaker 5: I think that their proposal is to bomb and bomb
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  Speaker 5: and bomb. And the honest view Joe is that they
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  Speaker 5: do not actually have a solution.
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  Speaker 4: If you actually ask them, what.
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  Speaker 5: Do you want us to do? What is the goal
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  Speaker 5: that you're trying to achieve, They'll say things like, well,
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  Speaker 5: just bomb them to oblivion. Okay, we can do that.
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  Speaker 5: We can drop a lot of bombs, but what does
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  Speaker 5: that accomplish if there's still a crazy person who's still
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  Speaker 5: unwilling to shoot a few drones of the strait of
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  Speaker 5: Horn moves? What the president has done, I think, very
• 10:42
  Speaker 5: very capably, is said, we're going to use military force
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  Speaker 5: in this situation when it's connected to something we're trying
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  Speaker 5: to achieve. So if you shoot at ships, we're going
• 10:52
  Speaker 5: to shoot at the facilities at which you used to
• 10:55
  Speaker 5: shoot at the ships. But we're not just going to
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  Speaker 5: do something open ended indefinitely. We're not just going to
• 11:00
  Speaker 5: bomb and bomb and bomb. We're going to try to
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  Speaker 5: use our military force as one of the many tools
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  Speaker 5: that we have to solve the problem.
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  Speaker 1: So you could see there, I mean, what he's talking
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  Speaker 1: about is the inevitable logic. But again, like Trump is
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  Speaker 1: the person who wants to keep resumed bombing, and this
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  Speaker 1: is the basic like fracture in the administration. JD's very
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  Speaker 1: committed to like the negotiation track, but there are other
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  Speaker 1: elements in the government which just don't care at all.
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  Speaker 1: You know, our friends at drop Site, Jeremy Skahill and
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Let's go to their story aight up here on
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  Speaker 1: the screen. They say Iran sent a message to JD
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  Speaker 1: warning that Kushner and witkof quote were abusing their inside
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  Speaker 1: access to negotiations. By the way, the White House totally
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  Speaker 1: denied it. They said this is all, you know, completely fake,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera. But here's what a senior Iranian official who
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  Speaker 1: said directly to drop Site, we have transmitted data and
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: assessments through an exclusive channel to mister Vance, but with
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  Speaker 1: direct knowledge of the effort communicated to Vance. They believed
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  Speaker 1: Wikoff and Kushner were abusing the diplomatic process, effectively disrupting
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  Speaker 1: the overall negotiating atmosphere. At one point, they claim that
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  Speaker 1: Iran had calculated profits from such a legend manipulation from
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  Speaker 1: Wikoff and Kushner that reached nine billion dollars and formally
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  Speaker 1: requested in writing that Iran should have to share in
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  Speaker 1: the proceeds of all of their insider trading. Again, to
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  Speaker 1: be very clear, Wikoff and Kushner completely deny it. The
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  Speaker 1: White House says that none of this ever.
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  Speaker 2: I think the American people need to formally submit our
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  Speaker 2: request to share in those proceeds.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me in, Let me in.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, the crux of this, the allegation here
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  Speaker 2: is that their corrupt inside trading is screwing up the
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  Speaker 2: effort to come to some sort of negotiated deal here.
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  Speaker 3: It's an obstacle.
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  Speaker 2: It creates a problem in terms of actually sitting down
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  Speaker 2: having some sort of negotiation that is perceived as remotely
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  Speaker 2: in good faith when all you see is these guys,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's got all these development deals in the region.
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  Speaker 2: You see all these market manipulations from Trump and what
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  Speaker 2: he tweets, et cetera. That is making it actively more
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  Speaker 2: difficult to not be in this war. So it's not
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  Speaker 2: just a question of like morality. And it's disgusting the
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  Speaker 2: number of people in the Trump administration, including Trump and
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  Speaker 2: his family at all, who are just using the country
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  Speaker 2: as their personal piggybank. But it has a direct impact
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  Speaker 2: on what is happening to our country, on the way
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  Speaker 2: our foreign policy is conducted, and on what is actually
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  Speaker 2: possible in terms of these negotiations.
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  Speaker 1: And what I think is the worst is we just
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  Speaker 1: don't see a realistic path to actual resolution. Like do
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  Speaker 1: I think there will be another fake memorandum of understanding? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because inevitably you have to write like oil has got
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  Speaker 1: to flow eventually. But can we really going to solve
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: the nuclearation? Like it just seems so impossible. If we
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  Speaker 1: can't even sit without firing bombs for three weeks, how
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: can we possibly get to a situation where the United
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: States has to accept Iranian tolls and control of the
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  Speaker 1: Strait of hormones and then furthermore basically guarantee Iran hundreds
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  Speaker 1: of billions of dollars while they give up their nuclear
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  Speaker 1: ambitions for fifteen years. Yeah, I mean, it just seems impossible.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, I'm gonna kick right now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm reading a lot of World War One and World
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: War II history, like more so even than normal. And
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  Speaker 1: when you see what it takes to either defeat somebody
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  Speaker 1: or bring them to the negotiating table, haven't bled enough.
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  Speaker 1: And I know it's a horrible thing to say, but
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  Speaker 1: it's just empirically true, either from loss of life or economically,
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  Speaker 1: like the vast majority of Americans really only pay attention
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: when gas prices are high. How many know that as
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  Speaker 1: of right now today while you and I are speaking,
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Kuwait is under fire from cruise missiles, not many, and
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  Speaker 1: they don't particularly care, right They're not going to care
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  Speaker 1: honestly until gas is seven dollars a gallon. Iran knows this.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they continue to close the straight of Horn moves.
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  Speaker 1: But there's just enough wiggle room there and you know,
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  Speaker 1: crazy stuff from the Trump administration other to try and
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  Speaker 1: just push it off further. And then same on the Iranians.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with treat I think they dramatically overreacted by
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: trying to undermine this memorandum of understanding, as in immediately
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: shooting instead of calling. But I also get it from
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: their perspective when Trump is like, I'm going to kill
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: you while you're in the middle of Geneva. Like if
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: somebody said that to me, you know, it's like if
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: I were to negotiate with a pro Israel person immediately,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: I'm always like, you're lying. You know. It's like my
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  Speaker 1: absolute going in. How could we ever establish any baseline
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: of trust this somebody who's a concerts undermind you try
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  Speaker 1: to kill you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: I understand where they're coming from too, So I just
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: I don't see how we can get out of this.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Like somebody has got a bleed a lot, and I
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: hope it's not us, but I seem to think so well.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: And on the politics of it, we already recorded the
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: interview with Thomas Massey and Rocanna, and Congressman Massey said
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: something that was I think important for people to hear
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: because there's a lot of sense because you see the
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Tuckers out there, you see the Tim Dillon's out there,
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: you know, who were unhappy we're on the right and
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: unhappy with the Zagger and Jetties of the world who
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: are unhappy with the Iran War. The MAGA base supports it.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: They're all in. It's like seventy eighty percent of the
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: magabase that's like, yes, Iran War. And so when we
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: were asking Thomas Massy about the nature of his primary defeat,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: he made sure to bring up, Yeah, it was Israel lobby,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: it was going against Trump. It was also the Iran
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: War being opposed to it because it's very popular, and
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: we're asking about his future political ambitions.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: He's like, that's going to be a real.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Obstacle for me in the Republican Party for now. You
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: know that Draanine may ship, but for now it's a problem.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: And I think it's very different from how people are
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: perceiving the politics of it, because for Trump, looking at
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: the mid terms, the landscape is already really bad. You know,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: people are unhappy, Republicans are sort of disenchanted over the
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Epstein files and other things.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of malaise there.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: So they're already less likely to turn up at the
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: polls than Democrats. We've seen that in all kinds of
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: special elections. You ask them to also swallow a humiliating
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Iran war defeat that is actually going to make your
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: midterm results even worse than they already are.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: So it's danned if you do.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Damned if you don't from Trump for a political perspective,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: but it actually, you know, his political incentives are not
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: necessarily to end the war now. His political incentives maybe
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: to keep it going through the midterms, so he doesn't
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: have to fully swallow the level of humiliation that will
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: be required to bring this thing to a close. And
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: so I think that's another dynamic here that we have
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: to take into account as well. His base wants this
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: war to keep going. They want to see the bombs
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: dropped and carg Island taken and him to be you know,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: a heroic, tough guy, et cetera. They don't want to see, oh,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: now we've done sanctions, relief in Iran, has all of
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: this newfound power in the region, that is not where
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: they are.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's where pape escalation trap, you know, model
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: is just so it is so obviously true at this point,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: and it is also I mean, very tragically for the
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: US and even for Iran. You know, look, Iran is
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Iran is desperate because what they're what they also knows
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I was reading this morning, is the world will eventually
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: figure it out, like we did with Ukraine and Russia.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Right at the beginning it was a crisis. After a
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: couple of years, you figure out how to get natural
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: gas to different places. It's bad, but everyone kind of
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: moves on. Iran has got to actually force hand now,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: so they have a direct incentive. And at the same time, America,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: which has not bled, and Trump, who cannot admit total
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: defeat at least not yet, has got to do something extra.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: And in any one of those extra maneuvers, it brings
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: death and immense costs to America. You know, one of
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: the because we had Thomas Massey and Rokana added at
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: last minute. You know, there was this whole segment that
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I was going to do about all of the lack
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: of munitions. It is, it is so much worse than
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: even I thought. Five hundred million dollars we put into
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: a factory, it hasn't produced a single round not one,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: five hundred million, and we gave three million of these
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: rounds to Ukraine. The whole point of the money. Remember,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Biden was like, this is good for America because we'll
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: make all these weapons here. They haven't been made. It's
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: impossible to make apparently just from a manufacturing backlog. I'm
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: looking at the state of the US Navy the F
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: thirty five. For the first time in twenty years, the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Pentagon is blocking an open source report about the F
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: thirty five. Why do you think after one just got
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: hit over Iran? I'm looking at this and then the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: oil I mean again, you know, you have to read
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: only a few books to say it may not be
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: the Iran war that breaks us. It may be that
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the total destruction and depletion of the American Empire as
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: a result of this. Then when the next one comes
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: completely out of nowhere, that's how you find yourself broken
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: completely and you lose everything in a matter of a month.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: That's the stuff that just absolutely terrifies me. And you
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: can just see it. You know, every day, four missiles here,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: cruise missiles there, drones going here, Iranian ships or Iranian
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: you know, the United States bombed an oil tanker which
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: was docking at carg Island for the first time ever.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: We had never done that before. As a result, they
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: blew that up and potentially some oil infrastructure. Iran is saying, like,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: very seriously, you are going to burn if you continue this.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I just I don't see a way out. The one
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: last you know, piece potentially of good news, you know,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say that it hasn't happened is
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: let's put a nine up here on the screen. Is
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: it does appear that there was some American woman. Trump right,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Iran has allowed an American citizen who is wrongfully detained
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: in December twenty twenty four under Joe Biden to leave
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the country. She is now safely outside of Iran and
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: in good condition. America appreciates this gesture of goodwill from Iran,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: So that could be a good thing. I just don't know.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: But my only you know, again, I have no idea
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: who this woman is. There's no open source reporting or
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: any of this. This could potentially try to be a
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: sign of, you know, putting things back on track. But
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: just like America has internal factions and domestic politics, so
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: does Iran. It's very clear their hardline faction doesn't want
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: to give another inch, so we'll see that. That's what
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: else can we say. Let's get to Minab.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: So you all will recall that in the early days
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: of the Iran war, we dropped a bomb on a
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: little girls school, the Monob School, and killed over one
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty children. There has been an investigation internally
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: allegedly launched here within the US government. Trump keeps claiming though,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: making this claim that, oh, we may never know what happened,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: even though that appears to be patently false. It is
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: very findoutable what actually happened. We have reporting on what
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: actually happened. Let's go ahead and take a listen to
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: his latest claims.
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: Democrats released a letter calling on your administration to unveil
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: the findings of the investigation into a strike that killed
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: more than one hundred children on the first day of
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: the war. Will you commit to releasing the findings of
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: this investigation?
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: Well, I have to speak to the generals that are
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: doing the because we mostly have a general's you know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: I don't think anybody's going to ever be able to
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: say what happened there.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: There are images from this site that show fragments that
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: appear to be from US Tomahawk missiles. Is it possible
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: that old intelligence or a mistake during a very active
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: time in the war led to this event?
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: It is, But it's also so possible that those images
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: that you have are AI generated. Now I know we're
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: waiting for a conclusive report. I don't think they can
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: be a conclusive report.
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: Were there are the reports when it is finished?
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: I guess so, I mean I have to ask the military,
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: but there might be a reason why they can.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what that is.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: That is the announcement of a planned cover up. Because
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: we already have reporting about what happened here, it was
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: not difficult to figure out. We can put let's put
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: this CNN report up on the screen.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: This is B three.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: They say that senior US military commanders bypassed warnings in
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: critical databases that intelligence about potential targets in Iran was
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: severely out of date and approve some strikes, including one
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: that hit a school, killing nearly two hundred children and adults.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: According to three sources, familiar messages indicating the intelligence was
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: based on years old intelligence that needed to be revetted.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: We're embedded in a system used for developing targets and
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: required a senior officer to approve adding a site to
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: the strike list. According to the sources, the decision by
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: senior commanders to ignore the warnings was made for expediency.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Two of the sources set in a rush to provide
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: targets at the start of the war. It also directly
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: contributed to the accidental strike on the school, according to
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: those sources. In addition, they identify the fact that Hegseth
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: has made drastic cuts almost to the point of eliminating
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: these civilian harm mitigation and response programs, slash their staff
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: at military commands by more than ninety percent. That included
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: removing civilian harms specialists from target development strike teams and
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: reducing the team of ten at Central Command to only
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: one full time staffer. Again, according to CNN, so you
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: had two separate databases, one that's older, one that they're
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: trying to use AI automated systems. Both of them had
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: instructions in there that the intelligence on these particular type
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: of targets was outdated. We know that the satellite imagery
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: shows that there were clear changes to this site, transitioning
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: it from part of a base to this girls' school.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: But because they just wanted to rush and have a
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: massive list of targets, they decided not to go and check,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: and so you end up with the worst civilian death
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: incident caused by the US military that we know of
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: since the first Gulf War. I mean, that's how serious
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and how severe it is. We have the investigation, and
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: now Trump is saying, oh, we may never know, and
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I'll have to talk to the generals about whether.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think that we understand how impactful this strike
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: was in Iran, Like the Iranians call their delegation for
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: negotiations the minob one sixty eight. They have pictures printed
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: out all the school girls in their plane on the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: backs of the seats, so they know who they're fighting for.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: The team them did a tribute to the MINAB one
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: sixty eight. They have pins that they wear. One of
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the reasons they didn't want to shake JD's hand was
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: because of the Minab incident in the negotiations engine. Like,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I don't I think you can understand the psyche of Iran.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Actually maybe you can if you just you know, maybe
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: watch our show or not mainstream media, but like, look
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: at the crowds for the Iatola command, who by the way,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, they liked him, but a lot of people
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: were very frustrated by his regime. Millions of people came out.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Sarabamari remember in the middle of the war, came on
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: our show and he was like, he said, he was
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: watching stay TV. He's like, all they do is just like,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: you know, worship martyrdom, not just of the Iatola. They're like,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: there was this janitor, he was killed in his strike,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and he's a national hero. Now like in Iran, these
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: people's names are you know, everybody knows that. In America,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: we all just kind of move on. But as you said,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: it's the worst civilian death incidents as a Gulf war.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: It's by the way that one was handled very differently.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: If you want to look at how the United States
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: military reacted, I covered some horrible incidents, the Taliban or
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: the Kundu's hospital incident. I was a Pentagon correspondent at
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: that time. Dramatic difference in the way that the lies
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: were the same, but the you know, reaction from Congress
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: and others was totally different. Like, we have have to apologize,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: We have to admit that this was a massive mistake
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: in the generals who are involved, like somebody has got
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: to pay this time around Trump and the entire cover
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: up of it. Not only does it givey Ron you know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: really a moral high ground in some cases, like whenever
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: they come at us for their strikes, but it also
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: creates this culture of there will be no price paid,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and that's exactly the opposite of what you want, not
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: just in terms of the morality, but I just laid
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: out how much of a disaster it was. Like the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: entire point was we want regime change. Let's murder one
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight girls on day one of the
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: entire war. You think that's going to engender the whole
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: population to you know, they hate us for this, Like
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: those those schoolgirls will like everyone will know about them
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: fifty years from now.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, inside of you, it's not hard actually
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: to imagine, because imagine that, you know, a foreign country
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: bombed one of our girls' schools.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I will tell you, think about unforgettable.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, think about Sandy Hook. Horrified.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I still remember covering that, like viscerally, how horrifying it is.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: It's still just like unconscionable to imagine that was twenty children.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: We're talking about one hundred and sixty eight little girls.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: And here's the other thing that I don't know if
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: people realize, but because you know, we've had we've had
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: various Iranian analysts and Ranians on the show to tell
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: us from the Iranian perspective, they don't believe it was
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: an accident. They think that it was an intentional and
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: you know, I can't really blame them for this after
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: seeing what we ate and embedded with Israel and Gaza.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: They believe it was an intentional effort to put pressure
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: on some of the IRGC because a lot of their
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: children were the ones that were going to this school.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: So they think that it was intentional. So again, not
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: that they would believe the report that we put out,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: but at least if you had some information out here
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: about Look, guys, here's how we fucked up.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: We didn't actually mean to do this. Here's what happened.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: It was human error, it was incompetence. Again, they may
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: not believe that, but that would be important to put
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: out to the world as at least saying we are
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: different than Israel. We actually do take seriously civilian deaths
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: and civilian casualties but I do think because of the
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: barbarism that Israel and Gaza has put on the table,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: it makes it very easy for Trump to just shrug
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: his shoulders and say, yeah, we may never know what happened.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: What happened, you know, a fog of war, et cetera, etcetera.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I guess I'll talk to the generals. But anyway, it
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: also could have been AI. So we're moving on really
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: disgusting and really quite ominous for the future of warfare
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: and the way that we conduct ourselves. And speaking of which,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: we had another horrifying situation here. It can put before
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: up on the screen. US missiles struck a near a
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: children's cancer hospital. There is, you know, a dispute over
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: whether this was a direct hit or whether it's some
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: nearby debris that causes fire at the children's cancer hospital.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: They say this is the first US strike on Iranian
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: hospital in months. Additional strikes also causing damage to residential homes.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Trump talks openly about committing war crimes. This is just
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: you know, hit civilian infrastructure. This is part of his
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: plan that he announces brazenly and openly.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: We've sort of gotten used to it.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I guess already again because of Gaza and because of
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: the way that Trump and Headseth operate. But in any
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: previous era this would have been a horrifying scandal. You
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: never would have admitted this publicly, you know, you never
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: would have celebrated or incorporated this as an explicit tactic.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: It's just become completely uninjined, insane.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: And yeah, to your point, Professor Morondi, let's put B
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: five up here on the screen. He says, the Trump
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: regime is just bombed a children's hospital in the city
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: of of Oz. It is being evacuated. Again. You know,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: it's nobody from the US side is confirming not can
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: you even take any of it seriously? Like that's part
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: of the problem. And that's exactly what all of this
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: demonstrates to us about the sheer dishonor really upon you know,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: upon the American people, upon all of us. We paid
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: for all of these bombs, and you know, we're gonna
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: have to live not just with the consequences of what
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: they've done, but just also with our government just casually
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: saying that there's nothing wrong really with what they did.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: If the leader really the culpability lies with Trump ordered
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: a last, you know, a very haired US operation. And
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: then it comes down to hag Seth and others saying
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: we don't care, dust off the plans from fifteen years
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: ago and go. I also, frankly, you have to depentagon.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: You pay these guys all sorts of money. There's an
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: entire room that's bigger than this studio where all they
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: do is just talk about eron war plans all day.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Even when things were going well with Iran, nobody ever
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: updated the target set.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I mean that is the other thing that struck me
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to is how much money do we give you?
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Like, what are you doing? Yeah, you know, you couldn't
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: get anyone to go in and hey, let's take a
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: look at this.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Let's go check the satellites and see if this intelligence
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: is still you know, to eate.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: And they knew that it wasn't and it still didn't.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just insane.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: There are guys in the CIA, there's a whole room
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: like a tackle operation center and all this where all
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: they do is just look at it around all day,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: just update you know, all these different target sets. But
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: then oh somebody and tell DoD or they did tell
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: do d do d never updated the file, nobody updated
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: the package.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Well, there was a situation like that where apparently someone
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: had flagged that that it appeared from the satellites that
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: there had been changes to the site, but it was
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: in a different system, and it didn't map onto this system,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: and this system had the flag in it of hey,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: you should check it out. But then when it was
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: when it was go time and it wasn't done, they're like,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: all right, we'll just do it anyway and hope for
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: the best.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's disgusting.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: And you know, hagset part of how he ended up
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: in this job is because of his advocacy for war
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: criminals who had been turned in by their own comrades
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: in arms. And Trump admires him, but that I talked
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: about the fact that he appreciated that Hegseth was willing
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: to go to bat for these, you know, convicted war
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: criminals in the military. So it's no surprise that that
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: is the culture that we have instilled here. And as
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I said before, also because of the bipartisan support for
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: a literal jedocide occurring before our eyes, containing the worst,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: most unimaginable atrocities, you could you know that really truly
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: were beyond belief, beyond what anyone could have possibly pictured.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: All right, we have Congressman Rocan we recorded already, but
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: we're going to edit it in now. So let's throw
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: to our interview with congress and Rocanna and Congressman Thomas mass.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: So we've got a special trait this morning in studio.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Both congressmen part of the dream team here, Thomas Massey
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: and Rocanna. Great to see you both, Welcome, Thanks to you.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: So you guys have obviously teamed up on a number
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: of initiatives, but you have a new one that you
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: wanted to bring to us today. Congresson Massey about the
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: you know Epstein Transparency, tell us what you're pushing forward now.
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: Well, yesterday was the one year anniversary of the introduction
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: of the Epstein False Transparency Act that Rocanna and I wrote,
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: and we thought it was time to do a sequel
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: because the first bill has been very successful. We've got
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: three million documents released, but there have been some dragging
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: of feet by the Attorney General and the Acting Attorney General,
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: and so you know, this is to spur the next level. Specifically,
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: the main thing that this new bill does that we've
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: introduced is forces the US Attorney General to cooperate with
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: state attorneys general that want to prosecute Epstein co conspirators
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: under state law. And it turns out in New Mexico
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: that's where the Zoro Ranch was. You hear a lot
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: about Epstein Island. You hear almost nothing about Zoro Ranch.
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: But it was expansive, it was massive that people were
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: going there all the time. Crimes were committed there, and
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: some of those aren't barred by statute of limitations, and
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: so the Attorney General in New Mexico would like to
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: prosecute those crimes, and so we're making it easier with
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: this bill.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: That's one of the things it does.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: What's really interesting about this is that it did create
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: a political crisis for the Trump administration. The Vice President JD.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Vance actually was on the Joe Rogan podcast just yesterday.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I do want curious for both of your response. Congressman Connae,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: you've can start. The Vice President said that it was
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: quote nonsense that the President was forced to sign the
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Epstein Files Transparency Act. He said that he did it
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: completely of his own volition, that the idea that the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: two of you kind of dragged them to it was
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: ridiculous because nobody controls Donald Trump. I'm curious for both
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: of your reactions, Congress, mcconnor you could start.
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: When the history of the Trump administration has written, what
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: Massey and I did will be seen as the most
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: decisive blow to Trump that began the unraveling of his presidency.
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: I mean, no one had stood up to Donald Trump
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: before effectively. And Trump tried everything from including intimidating Thomas's
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: colleagues Lauren Boubert and Nancy Mays and Marjorie Taylor Green,
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: some of them he brought into the situation room to
• 34:44
  Speaker 9: get them not to support this. They adjourned Congress, they
• 34:50
  Speaker 9: didn't swear in at Alita Grihova. They tried everything. Then
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: what happened, Not only did they realize that we were
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: going to pass the Act, Donald Trump realized that he
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: was going to get probably eighty to ninety Republicans to
• 35:04
  Speaker 9: be willing to overturn his veto. And that's when he
• 35:07
  Speaker 9: signed the Act and he told Jade Vince to go
• 35:10
  Speaker 9: into the situation room and start the cover up. But
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: what this did, it's not just about justice for survivors,
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: which is important. After this, now there were was one
• 35:19
  Speaker 9: hundred discharge petitions. Now suddenly everyone is willing to defy
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: Donald Trump, and we changed the entire culture in the Congress.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Do you agree with that, Carson?
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely.
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: I mean we dragged him kicking and screaming to signing this.
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: I asked to be invited to the bill signing. I
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: think I'm the first congressman who's ever got a bill
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: passed that wasn't invited to the bill signers. I did
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: the big fat sharkney, and they did it in secret,
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: like in a room with no cameras.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: Mean, you never see that happen.
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: And at one point the White House said that it
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: would be a hostile act towards the President for any
• 35:56
  Speaker 8: Republican to co sign the discharge petition. And you had
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: Jeff Freeland, who's the Legislative Affairs director for the President
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: on Capitol Hill. I saw him going up and down
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: the street and through the halls, running around trying to
• 36:10
  Speaker 8: get people's names off of this bill, trying to keep
• 36:12
  Speaker 8: people from sponsoring it. There's no way they wanted this
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: to happen. And then what was the fallout? I mean,
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: Howard Blutnik. We found out that the guy who's.
• 36:21
  Speaker 10: Behind Donald Trump on Air Force one and behind the
• 36:24
  Speaker 10: Resolute desk, the guy who's always standing there. That guy
• 36:27
  Speaker 10: took his family to Epstein Island for a little picnic
• 36:30
  Speaker 10: after claiming on TV that he had nothing to do
• 36:33
  Speaker 10: with Jeffrey Epstein.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: The man was so disgusting, he would have nothing to
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: do with him.
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: And you know, but what we need right now is accountability,
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: and that's what this bill gets to. There's a couple
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: other things that bill does that I'd love to explain.
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: So you know, in the hearings we saw yesterday, what
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: was with Todd blanche with his nomination. What was painfully
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: obvious is he's ignoring the victims and they can't even
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: get their own files. Still withholding files the testimony that
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: the victims gave to the FBI, and we know it
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: exists on three h two forms. The victims, the survivors,
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: the ones who are still alive, they know it's there
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: and they can't get it. So our bill gives those
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: victims standing in the US court to sue the Attorney
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: General to get their own files. That's really important. The
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: other thing it does is the DOJ. This hasn't been
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: widely reported, but twice they've told us in Congress and
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: like these little notes or memos to Congress that we're
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: using deliberative process privilege in order not to give you
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: some of these documents. And our bill, our original bill,
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: said you've got to tell us about your decisions on
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: whether to prosecute or not prosecute.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: But they're withholding all those files.
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: That's the nub of this is why didn't they prosecute
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: people like Leslie Wexner, Leon Black, Jess Daley, people who
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: in their own files showed that they had information on
• 37:54
  Speaker 8: enough that at one point Leslie Wexner was listed on
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: an FBI document as a co conspirator and a child
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: sex trafficking rank.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Also, so was Leslie Groft, that.
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: You know, the Epstein's main assistant who helped traffic the women.
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: So what this will do is it takes away unambiguously
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: we believe our first bill did anyway, but unambiguously it
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: says you don't have these special privileges that you can
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: exert to withhold files. And finally, it gives Rowani standing
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: to go to a court, get in front of a
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: judge and have a judge. Have the third branch of
• 38:30
  Speaker 8: government adjudicate whether the executive branch is complying with the
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: law that the legislative branch wrote and the president signed.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: And Conmerstan MASSI, you know, you were successfully defeated in
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: your primary.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Thanks successfully defeated. What a jump trum there?
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that respective.
• 38:46
  Speaker 9: By the way, if Trump wanted to voluntarily sign this,
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: he should have been endorsing Massy, not campaign and not.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: The point is, you know, you cross Trump, and you
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: cross the Israel lobby. They dumped what thirty million dollars
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: in against you there effort from their perspective was successful
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: in getting you out. But I am curious if you
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: agree with Kyrasmoncanna that your efforts on Epstein were a
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: blow to the Trump administration. And I don't think that
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: that was your goal. That's not the way you have
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: framed it. But it does seem like it created a
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: fracture in the base and was kind of, you know,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: the start of his approval rating really beginning to fall off.
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: Well, I think it was self inflicted by the president.
• 39:23
  Speaker 8: He went on TV and said, if you think there's
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: any there there in these Epstein files, you are no
• 39:27
  Speaker 8: longer a supporter of mine. I don't want your support.
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: He told Maggot, you're no friend of mine if you
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: still want to pursue this promise that I made. Right,
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: So he basically fractured right in half Maggot, and he
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: lost Marjorie Taylor Green on this.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: I mean this was he called her a trader for
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: pursuing the.
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: Epstein Files Transparency Act, right, like I might have had
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: other infractions like voting against the Big Beautiful Bill or
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: not voting for Mike Johnson. But Marjorie Taylor Green had
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: been loyal to the president and the only place that
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: she deviated was on the Epstein files. He told her
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: on the phone, and she related this to me immediately
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: when it happened, that you're going to hurt my friends
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: if you persist in getting these files released, and so it.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: Was I wouldn't. I don't. Ro gives us too much
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: credit for inflicting this damage.
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: At MIT, we called this ballistic pedietry, which is shooting
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: yourself in.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: The foot right.
• 40:26
  Speaker 11: The original cause, right, We gave him the opportunity, But
• 40:32
  Speaker 11: also I really think the credit goes to the survivors,
• 40:36
  Speaker 11: And it was it was Roe who invited them for
• 40:39
  Speaker 11: the first time to be heard on the steps of
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: the Capitol.
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: Right there in front of the Capitol, we gave him
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: a voice. There were people who had never been public before.
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: It wasn't worth the risk to them. They came out
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: it said that they were you know, had been victims,
• 40:53
  Speaker 8: were survivors and told their stories. And I think that's
• 40:56
  Speaker 8: what motivated our colleagues eventually to nearly unanimously to pass this.
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: Now, one thing I haven't said one of the reasons
• 41:06
  Speaker 9: the partnership with Massey and I works. Thomas is an
• 41:09
  Speaker 9: MIT guy.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: He knows all the details.
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: You know, you want to understand discharge petition, this rule,
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: that rule. Thomas knows all of that, and you need
• 41:18
  Speaker 9: to know all of that achieve what we did. I
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: helped bring the survivors and organize that press conference twice
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: in front of the Capitol, and that changed public opinion,
• 41:30
  Speaker 9: and that helped make sure that we could pass it.
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: And it was the teamwork with different complementary skills, not
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: just across the aisle, that allowed us to get the
• 41:40
  Speaker 9: Epstein files passed.
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: Well, one more thing, if the president is so gung
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: ho to get these files out, why are they still
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: dragging their feet and exerting every privilege they can to
• 41:49
  Speaker 8: redact anything they can.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Well to both of your point, you know you met
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Christ mentioned the Israel lobby. There's been a lot of
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: speculation about Jeffrey Epstein's connection to Israel. The administration is
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: officially denied it. I believe Todd Blanche in this interview
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: with Gleainne Maxwell, and yet the Vice President again yesterday
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: on the Joe Rogan experience, said it is clear that
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein had connections to the highest levels of American
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: intelligence and Israeli intelligence. Let's take a listen and we'll
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: get both of your reactions.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: He clearly had connections to the upper the highest levels
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: of American intelligence. He clearly had connections to the highest
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: levels of Israeli intelligence. In fact, one of the interesting stories,
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: one of the interesting things the Epstein saga reveals about,
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: and I try to make this point is one of
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: the reason why I'm always careful and I say there
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: are some elements within the Israeli government who don't like
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: our peace process, because there are a lot of elements
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: within the Israeli government that actually do like our peace process.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: They recognize that this indefinite campaign is not good for them.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Either the Epstein thing is interesting because as much as
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: I know, you know, Prime Minister nt Yahoo not a
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: particularly popular person in the United States of America right now,
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: Epstein seems to be connected to the elements of the
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: Israeli deep state that were left of center. Like I've
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: always found that fascinating. It wasn't like he was super
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: connected to the right of center of Israeli politics.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: So an interesting clip there, you know, both Conft well,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: at least you know he's the highest fewest official on
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: record to say connections to the US intelligence and to
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Israeli intelligence never been confirmed before either by the most
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: actually been denied by Mosad and definitely also been denied
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: by the US intelligence. But he also seems to try
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and to separate Epstein from the current coalition government in
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: leading Israel. Congressman Condom. I'm just curious for your reaction considering,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: you know, these comments from the vice presidents.
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: All, he's not a pundit, he's the sitting vice president.
• 43:41
  Speaker 9: He could release the remaining files, he could declassify the
• 43:45
  Speaker 9: documents and explain to the American public what exactly happened
• 43:49
  Speaker 9: with Epstein, who he was. He should if he believes this,
• 43:52
  Speaker 9: he has an obligation to release the files and have
• 43:55
  Speaker 9: a report on Epstein's tied to intelligence. And this is
• 43:59
  Speaker 9: a state under line where he politicizes everything. Oh that
• 44:02
  Speaker 9: were connected to the left, not the right, but the revant.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: But anyway, But the relevant.
• 44:08
  Speaker 9: Point is, Okay, why isn't he taking action? Instead he
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: was in the situation room covering up at every step
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: of the way the release of the files and transparency, and.
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: To some degree he's just admitting or curating what's in
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: the files.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: We got an audio tape now of Ahoud Barock asking
• 44:26
  Speaker 8: Jeffrey Epstein while Ahudbrock was still the defense minister for Israel,
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: how am I going to make money? What's my grift
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: going to be on the outside once I'm no longer
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: a public official? And you get Epstein telling him, well,
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: think of everybody who owes you something because of your
• 44:41
  Speaker 8: public position and leverage. That told him to get on
• 44:44
  Speaker 8: the boarder pallunteer. Right, So, and that's all audio. So
• 44:48
  Speaker 8: for the vice president to admit that it's no big revelation,
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: I think it's a political admission on his part that
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: it's he's being tainted. It's toxic his association with the
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: present cident and this administration that's trying to cover these
• 45:02
  Speaker 8: things up. So he's giving you something that's already known.
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: But also Epstein was he met with Obama's CIA director,
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: you know, acting CIA director. Can't remember his name, right, Barns, Yeah,
• 45:16
  Speaker 8: that's right. So obviously he was tied to the highest levels.
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: That stuff needs to come out as right.
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: I just to take Van seriously, not much more concerned
• 45:24
  Speaker 9: Massy is going to be the nominee. On the other side,
• 45:26
  Speaker 9: I mean, look, the vance was tainted with Epstein. He's
• 45:31
  Speaker 9: literally running the cover up for Epstein. He's been tainted
• 45:35
  Speaker 9: on this war in Iran. He's literally now cheerleading, and
• 45:38
  Speaker 9: he's been tainted on Israel, as even he knows. So
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: he's going out well, no, no, no, I'm not terrible
• 45:44
  Speaker 9: on Epstein. No, no, no, I'm not terrible on Israel.
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: But you know it's actually a contradiction to some of
• 45:49
  Speaker 9: the things he said before he had to do.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump spidding no question conson.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I'm curious connorson Massey, I'm curious if what you learned
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: in the Epstein files changed your worldview at all, because
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: you know, as a leftist I'm looking at this, I'm like, oh,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: a bunch of billionaires showing a lot of class solidarity here.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Very much comports with my view, although it was much
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: more explicit than perhaps I even had imagined. You're giving
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: the examples of like, hey, let's connect you with Palenti. Here,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: here's you know, a country's resources you can go and exploit,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: et cetera. But I wonder, as a libertarian, if it
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: shifted your view or if it changed your perspective at all.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Looking at some of the revelations here.
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: Well, I joke, I tell people more of a conspiracy
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: theorist than I was before I got elected. Now that
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: they let me in the skiff and I can hear
• 46:33
  Speaker 8: the top secret stuff, I'm like, yeah, well that was true.
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: But my opinion on the Epstein thing definitely has shifted
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: over time.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: Like I you know.
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: In Congress, people want you to solve healthcare, they want
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: you to take care of taxes, national defense, all of
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: this stuff, And so I didn't give it enough attention.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: For the first several years.
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: It was one of those things to me on the internet,
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: maybe it's a conspiracy. And then as I started paying attention,
• 46:59
  Speaker 8: and then particularly when I saw that Pambondy did sort
• 47:02
  Speaker 8: of this spoof, almost a caricature of releasing these binders.
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: And then I personally asked Pambondy to her face at
• 47:10
  Speaker 8: a dinner, when are you going to release the rest
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: of the Epstein files, just as and I looked her
• 47:14
  Speaker 8: in the face. And her answer to me was, oh,
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: there's nothing left but child, you know, sexual exploitation material,
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: and you'd be a pervert if you'd want to see
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: any of that stuff. And she tried to shut me
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: down that way, and I thought, all right, there's there
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: there right.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: That's what raised my suspicion.
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: And then in the last summer, they said closing the case,
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: no prosecutions, there's nothing here, it's done. And that's when
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: Row and I said, no, it's not done, and we
• 47:41
  Speaker 8: filed the bill. But that moment, that audio tape of
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: Epstein talking to Ahudbarock, it gave me some insight into
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: Jeffrey Epstein. That's when I decided he probably didn't kill
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: himself like he had so much levery. I believe he
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: thought his time in the prison was temporary. Either he
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: had enough blackmail material or he was friends with enough people.
• 48:07
  Speaker 8: If you just sat there and didn't say too much
• 48:09
  Speaker 8: that they would eventually get him out. And so that's
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: the one thing that also transitioned in my mind. I
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: went from Okay, maybe this is a conspiracy that he
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: was killed or he's still alive or whatever, to no,
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: that's probably true. He is probably killed or somehow sprung
• 48:26
  Speaker 8: from the jail because he had that much leverage over
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: these powerful people.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting. So one of the things you mentioned there
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: is blackmail. The vice president also addressing a claim that
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: the president is being blackmail. Obviously this connects to the
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: war in Iran, which you're both against as well. Let's
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: take a listen to that. We'll get your reaction.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: What I have seen, and I've looked at most of
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: the files is that they're just wasn't dispositive evidence, and
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: if that dispositive evidence ever existed, it was probably destroyed
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: after two thousand and six, two thousand and seven. Now,
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: look again, in our defense, Yes, was there some you know,
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: bitching and moaning, and was there some back and forth, Yes,
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: but there we eventually collected six million documents as part
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: of the effort the president. People say the president was
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: forced into releasing the documents. Like again, the idea that
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump could not have killed that legislation, especially with
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: the United States Senate, is a joke. He absolutely could
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: have killed it.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: What did he do?
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: He actually said, no, we're going to release these files.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: He thought, you know, he was annoyed by the story.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: He was annoyed by the Democrats accusing him of doing
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: things bad. By the way, like, do I think there
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: is any I've never seen a single piece of credible
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: evidence that the president of the United States engaged in
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: wrongdoing with minors.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Ever, so that was the claim there about blackmail. It
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: is later connected also to the war with Iran. I'm curious,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: you know, for both of your reactions, because the Epstein files,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: transparency becomes a political crisis, and of course the war
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: gets launched with Iran. It's impossible not to at least
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: look at that and be like, is there some connection,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Like what exactly is how in Congress mc conna curistory reaction.
• 50:02
  Speaker 9: Well, I think they both are terrible decisions. The way
• 50:06
  Speaker 9: you believe that he went into Iran to distract from
• 50:10
  Speaker 9: the Epstein No, I don't think it was that. But
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: I think he broke a fundamental ledge of not getting
• 50:17
  Speaker 9: into foreign wars. But he got talked into conquest, and
• 50:21
  Speaker 9: he saw what happened in Venezuela and he said, okay,
• 50:24
  Speaker 9: I can turn around the regime in Venezuela. I was
• 50:26
  Speaker 9: opposed to what he did in Venezuela, and he thought
• 50:29
  Speaker 9: he could just march into Iran and ultimately betrayed his
• 50:33
  Speaker 9: fundamental promise to the country of not getting into foreign wars.
• 50:36
  Speaker 8: I know it's easy to pick apart something like a
• 50:39
  Speaker 8: Joe Rogan interview, but I have to take issue with
• 50:42
  Speaker 8: the fact that he said they found six million files.
• 50:44
  Speaker 8: Why have they released only three million? And then also
• 50:47
  Speaker 8: the vice president says he's read or seen most of them.
• 50:50
  Speaker 8: I don't believe that. I've spent hours at the DOJ
• 50:53
  Speaker 8: and we barely just like scratching the surface. Three million
• 50:56
  Speaker 8: files is hard to consume, and then to connect all
• 50:59
  Speaker 8: the dots, so.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: That on its face the claim that he makes there,
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: and then.
• 51:04
  Speaker 8: Also the ridiculous claim that the president this was something
• 51:07
  Speaker 8: the president wanted to do or wanted to do is fosse.
• 51:11
  Speaker 8: If he still wanted to do it, he would direct
• 51:13
  Speaker 8: his attorney general and acting Attorney General to just go
• 51:16
  Speaker 8: ahead and release all this stuff.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Right when is a transition to talk about this amendment
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: that was a big vote in the House yesterday. Congressman Massey,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: you offered this amendment, we can put d one up
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: on the screen here. Ultimately, it failed, but created quite
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of intrigue in the Democratic caucus. In particular,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: you are the only Republican that voted yes on this amendment,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: which cut all funding for Israel. You actually had a
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: narrow majority of Democrats who did vote for the proposal,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: which is just such a sea change in the positioning
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: of the Democratic Party. I mean, previously, the relationship with
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Israel was really lockstep across the board. So I'm curious
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: for your reaction to how this vote broke down, and
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: if you're surprised that none of your colleagues are where
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: you are right now on this issue.
• 52:05
  Speaker 8: Well, the reason I was able to get this vote
• 52:08
  Speaker 8: on the floor of the House I sincerely wanted to vote.
• 52:10
  Speaker 8: I offered three amendments to defund foreign aid to Egypt,
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: foreign aid to Jordan, and foreign aid to Israel, and
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: the Republican leadership, to my surprise, allowed me to get
• 52:20
  Speaker 8: the vote on Israel. But I think that's because they
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: made a political calculation. I believe it's a miscalculation, but
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: they made a political calculation that this would be a
• 52:29
  Speaker 8: hard vote for Democrats, and it did turn out to
• 52:31
  Speaker 8: be a hard vote for Democrats. It should have been
• 52:34
  Speaker 8: a hard vote for Republicans because now they've all locked
• 52:38
  Speaker 8: into this idea that American taxpayers should give weapons and
• 52:42
  Speaker 8: billions of dollars. I pointed out in my floor speech,
• 52:45
  Speaker 8: we spend more on offensive weapons to Israel than we
• 52:48
  Speaker 8: do on homeless veterans in the United States, and so
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: every Republican has voted to send offensive weapons to Israel
• 52:56
  Speaker 8: three point three billion dollars. The vote was successful, though
• 53:01
  Speaker 8: my litmus test. We've had votes like this in the past.
• 53:05
  Speaker 8: You get maybe six or ten people to vote for
• 53:07
  Speaker 8: amendments like this. In fact, my vote to defund Jordan
• 53:10
  Speaker 8: got six votes. But this was different. This moment in
• 53:14
  Speaker 8: time is different because you can't objectively look at what's
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: happening in Gaza and say that there's no moral hazard
• 53:21
  Speaker 8: here for American taxpayers. Seventy thousand people have died in
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: a country of two million people. I mean, it's it's incredible,
• 53:30
  Speaker 8: it's horrific, and so but the fact that I thought,
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: let me just say, my own secret number in my
• 53:37
  Speaker 8: head was people were like, how many votes are you
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: going to get? I would say dozens, because I thought
• 53:42
  Speaker 8: I would get twenty four votes and sixty. If I
• 53:46
  Speaker 8: got sixty, I would have considered it a success. And
• 53:49
  Speaker 8: one hundred was beyond what I imagined we could get.
• 53:53
  Speaker 8: But eventually Nancy Pelosi endorsed the amended.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Now it was shock.
• 53:58
  Speaker 8: I can only say that because I lost my prime
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: like I think part of the reason I lost my primaries, Rotekanach.
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: But you know, Nancy Pelosi came out for it, the
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: minority whip came out for it, but the minority leader
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: came out against it. So it really did split the Democrats.
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: I think in time, this for the one hundred and
• 54:26
  Speaker 8: three Democrats and myself who voted not to send this
• 54:29
  Speaker 8: money to Israel, it's as time goes on, that's going
• 54:32
  Speaker 8: to be a better and better vote. And the people
• 54:35
  Speaker 8: that were on the other side of that, including all
• 54:37
  Speaker 8: of my conference except for me, are going.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: To regret this vote.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Congress Mcconnach, Yeah, curious for your react. This was a
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: major intrademocratic war. The House Minority Leader Hakim Jeffries, who
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: voted for you the majority of Whip, who then, of course,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: you know, said that they would cut to vote eight.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: I'm curious for your reaction here about this split within
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: the Democratic Caucus. You were an original leader on a
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: movie meant like this to watch a significant portion of
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: your Democratic colleagues eventually come to your position. What does
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: that foretell for the future of the Democratic Party.
• 55:09
  Speaker 9: I was joking with Thomas that we had more caucus
• 55:11
  Speaker 9: meetings discussing his amendment than any Democratic legislation.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy.
• 55:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah, like Sunday afternoon calls to discuss the Massi Amendment
• 55:20
  Speaker 9: and caucus meetings. But this should have been a such
• 55:24
  Speaker 9: a simple vote. I mean, there are we have to
• 55:26
  Speaker 9: go beyond this. But obviously we shouldn't be giving them
• 55:29
  Speaker 9: US tax dollar aid for military weapons. In my view,
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: we shouldn't be giving them military weapons to be killing civilians,
• 55:37
  Speaker 9: and we need to be sanctioning the banks and government officials,
• 55:41
  Speaker 9: or engaged in the settlement and work on recognizing the
• 55:45
  Speaker 9: Palestinian state. But in my view, you had one hundred
• 55:49
  Speaker 9: and three folks, and the new Congress you're going to
• 55:52
  Speaker 9: have even more, and that it's going to become a very,
• 55:55
  Speaker 9: very small minority eventually that is going to be saying
• 55:58
  Speaker 9: let's just have a continue to Israel.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: It's pretty wild to see Nancy Pelosi vote for it
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: and Haiqem Jeffries vote against it, and Pelosi people are
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: sharing all kinds of clips of her now saying like,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: if the capital were to crumble, the one thing that
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: would remain is our you know, solidarity with Israel. And
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: now here she is on her way out, She's like, yeah,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: we'll vote to defund this, and I think she sees
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: the writing on the wall. She's a very savvy political
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: operator of where things are going.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: I cannot, for the life of me, really understand HIKEM.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Jeffries calculus here, because while there is such a split
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: in the House Democratic Caucus, there is not a split
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: among the Democratic base overwhelmingly. You know, it is now
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: a small minority that want to maintain the status quo
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: with regard to our relationship with Israel. So you know,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: what were those internal conversations like to the extent that
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: you can share some of the details, because it's just
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: very hard for me to understand why any cynical politician
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: would look at this landscape on the Democratic side at
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: this point and say I want to stay with this
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: position that has like fifteen percent support among my own
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: voters at this point.
• 57:06
  Speaker 9: Look, people were saying, oh, you're going to cut the
• 57:09
  Speaker 9: Middle East diplomacy program. I said, by definition, that's probably
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: one of the programs that should be cut through something you.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: Want to look at.
• 57:19
  Speaker 9: Government don't work or something. But beyond that, okay, fine,
• 57:23
  Speaker 9: you want to have those programs. That was less than
• 57:26
  Speaker 9: one percent of the AID. And you could have voted
• 57:28
  Speaker 9: for Massy's bill and then still said an amendment saying well,
• 57:32
  Speaker 9: we want to keep the program for Middle East pace.
• 57:36
  Speaker 9: But I do think it's a mistake for anyone who
• 57:39
  Speaker 9: voted this way.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: Morally but also politically.
• 57:42
  Speaker 9: If you look at Claire Veldez, you look at Brad Lander,
• 57:46
  Speaker 9: you look at Millot, you look at an Alilia, you
• 57:49
  Speaker 9: look at Adam Amawi, you look at the Platinum before
• 57:53
  Speaker 9: the scandals, Abdul. The driving line in these issues is
• 57:57
  Speaker 9: the funding on Israel and Gaza, and the Democrats want
• 58:00
  Speaker 9: to kind of whitewash that part.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Oh is oroan or.
• 58:03
  Speaker 9: These candidates won because of affordability. They won because they
• 58:06
  Speaker 9: wanted free childcare, frees the rent or medicare for all.
• 58:09
  Speaker 9: All that matters, But the first point of the animating
• 58:14
  Speaker 9: difference that is motivating these candidates and the energy is Israel.
• 58:19
  Speaker 9: I mean a lot would have been no shot to
• 58:21
  Speaker 9: be to get to get was good on all the issues.
• 58:23
  Speaker 9: She was for medicare for all, living wage. Why did
• 58:26
  Speaker 9: she lose? She lost on this issue?
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: Wow?
• 58:29
  Speaker 9: And I just think that the political leadership hasn't grappled
• 58:35
  Speaker 9: with that reality.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Congressman Matt, Yeah, I was come to you because you
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: were the only Republican voted for it. I knew you
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: speak to many of your colleagues. You and I both
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: know you're not the only person who thinks something like this.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: So why do they all, well, like, why do they
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: still see political utility in supporting Israel?
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: Because I just lost my election.
• 58:52
  Speaker 8: I mean thirty million dollars and ninety eight percent of
• 58:55
  Speaker 8: that came from APAK or Republican Jewish Coalition or Miriam Adelson.
• 59:01
  Speaker 8: It was all the race against me was fueled and
• 59:05
  Speaker 8: funded by the Israeli lobby, and they made an example
• 59:08
  Speaker 8: out of me, and it worked. I mean, you're getting
• 59:10
  Speaker 8: senators who are changing their positions, You're getting House representatives
• 59:15
  Speaker 8: folks who are just going underground on the Republican side
• 59:18
  Speaker 8: not saying anything about it. But the one thing I
• 59:20
  Speaker 8: want to talk about. Two things they're trying to They
• 59:23
  Speaker 8: realize this.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: Is a political liability, the Israeli lobby.
• 59:26
  Speaker 8: So they're trying to take away the transparency of this
• 59:29
  Speaker 8: money that's being spent, and they're trying to integrate it
• 59:32
  Speaker 8: into our military budget, so it won't be a line
• 59:34
  Speaker 8: item that Congress votes on. It'll be inside of one
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: of these giant military omnibus type programs and we won't
• 59:40
  Speaker 8: even know because we'll just instead of giving them gift
• 59:43
  Speaker 8: certificates for Raitheon and Lockheed Martin, will give them the
• 59:47
  Speaker 8: bombs from Raitheon, and that would developed.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: Them with us right almost integrated.
• 59:52
  Speaker 8: Well, that's the second part is that Section two nineteen
• 59:55
  Speaker 8: of the NDAA is now it's very toxic, and I'm
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 8: trying to get a vote on that to strip that
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 8: Section two nineteen is I think what Rose was alluding to,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 8: which is integration of our intelligence and military with supply
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 8: chains to supply lines and technology with Israel.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: It's a country of ten million people.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 8: It's not even like NATO, where they're at least the
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 8: third of the size of us, and there might be
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 8: some reciprocal arrangement that could help in a world war.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: That's not going to help with Israel. Can't help us in.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 8: A war of a scale where our sovereignty is affected.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: It's only going to hurt us anyways. I'm trying to
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: get an amendment in order to strip to nineteen from
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 8: the NDAA, and if I can't get that done or
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 8: they don't allow us to have that vote, I think
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 8: they're jeopardizing the NDAA. That stands for National Defense Authorization Act.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 8: It's one of the most pass pieces of legislation, like
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 8: a farm bill or a highway bill, that passes every year.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Commerson masse I wanted to ask you some about that
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: money that was spent against you, and I think you're right.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: They definitely wanted to make an example of you. A
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: lot of that money came from the Israel lobby. They're
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: now trying to do a similar thing with Abdulah Sayad
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: in the Michigan primary on the Democratic side. I think
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: fifty million dollars have come in and again, Ads have
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with Israel.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: They're claiming he's the sexist.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Because he one time mildly criticized Michelle Obama. I mean,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: this is the sort of stuff that they're going with here,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: and I do wonder, you know, again, from your perspective
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: as a libertarian, if that changes any of your view
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: of the ability for democracy to coexist with billionaires, the
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: impact of money and politics, you know, what are your
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: views there? Has that shaped your philosophy or thinking about
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: how we handle this flood of money, which is not
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: just Israel Liab, is big pharma, its big oil, it's
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: the banks, it's all sorts of interests.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: Are you asking that?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 8: Did the ass whipping I took from the billionaires change
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 8: my perspective?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: I should have asked it that way.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: It was a beat.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: How are you feeling about billionaires in these days?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, we were able to raise twenty million,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 8: and so we had enough money. It's just they played
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 8: dirtier than we were willing to play. They made artificial
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: intelligence ads that showed me in a three way relationship
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 8: with AOC and ilhan Omar, and you know, people fell
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 8: for those ads they thought they were real. So again
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 8: there's another libertarian conundrum that I have in addition to
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 8: campaign finance, which I do equate with speech but also
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 8: here's another.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: Example of speech.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 8: Should they be able to make ai ads and run
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 8: them with my image in it? There you have to
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 8: think very carefully about the legislative solutions that you don't
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 8: make the situation worse. I think I could be okay
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 8: with campaign finance. That said, if you're running a congressional race.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: Only the money.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 8: The only people who can donate are the people who
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: can vote in your district. Now, Miriam Madelson may have
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 8: moved to Kentucky.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Casino on top of your house.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: I think that is interesting because I know in the
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: past you've pushed for transparency, which I think is an
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: important first step. But you know, at this point there's
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: a lot of mass education about who a pack is
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: and what they are, et cetera. It's not that transparency,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: you know, isn't there necessarily. But the problem is that
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: just when you have so much money, of course it's
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: going to impact outcomes. And we can see it, you know,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: in the in this vote from yesterday too. So many
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: of your colleagues take money from APAC or other similar groups,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: so many of the Democratic Caucus. You know, it should
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: be based on the Democratic base, It should be overwhelming
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: and not a problem for Democratic congressmen to vote, you know,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: for an amendment like that, so you can see the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: impact of this money in the legislative process, not just electorally.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 8: Well, ultimately, there was a win in my loss, which
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 8: is I knew they would have to spend insane amounts
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 8: of money. This is the most expensive congressional primary in
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 8: the history of the United States, and I knew that
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 8: if they would have to spend insane amounts of money,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 8: and if they did an I law, it would sort
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 8: of proved the point that they have too much influence
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 8: in our own government that the Israeli lobby does. Now
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 8: they'll argue these are American citizens or dual citizens who
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 8: are donating the money, But I would still say they're
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 8: operating on behalf of a foreign country, and so they
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 8: are foreign agents. I think they should have to register
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 8: as such. But there was a victory in it. It's
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 8: really there was a big waking up. I don't think
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 8: we would have gotten as many votes on my amendment
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 8: if people hadn't watched me lose because there was thirty
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 8: million dollars of Israeli lobby money poured into a little
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 8: Kentucky race.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know what the solution is. And
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: then also on these ai ads.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 8: This fall is going to be the wild West, like
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 8: I got a taste of it in my own race,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 8: and you don't.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: These weren't online ads.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 8: These were like local you know, Fox Cable affiliates running
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  Speaker 8: these ads, so not a lot of people saw what's happening.
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  Speaker 8: But this November, both parties are going to run the
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  Speaker 8: most ridiculous ai ads. And if you write a piece
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  Speaker 8: of lledge that says you have to put a disclaimer
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  Speaker 8: on there, it doesn't help.
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  Speaker 4: That gives them a safe harbor to do anything. They
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  Speaker 4: could show you.
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  Speaker 8: Doing anything and say, by the way, this was made
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  Speaker 8: with artificial intelligence, and people are still going to believe
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  Speaker 8: it because people watch videos and they don't read the
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  Speaker 8: little stuff at the bottom.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. My last question for you starting running a bit
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  Speaker 1: short on time is about Senator Mitch McConnell. Do you
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  Speaker 1: believe the proof of life photo and do you there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of speculation that they're continuing to keep him
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  Speaker 1: in his Senate seat in order to prevent you from
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: being able to run or in a special primary or
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  Speaker 1: special election in the state.
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  Speaker 8: Your reaction, well, the special term would be less than
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  Speaker 8: six months. Sure, and I'm not interested for that. I
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  Speaker 8: just broke news. I guess to help people.
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  Speaker 3: You did, Yeah, Now they didn't come clean about McConn.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us what's going on.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I think the public does deserve to see
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  Speaker 8: somebody walk up to a podium and say something. Now,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 8: whether we can believe that this day in a is
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  Speaker 8: also another question. Yeah right, But you know I've said
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  Speaker 8: I'm going to introduce term limit legislation called three strokes,
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  Speaker 8: and you're out because we've seen this in the House.
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  Speaker 8: We saw one of our colleagues disappear for four months. No,
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  Speaker 8: by the way, he won his primary and I lost mine.
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  Speaker 8: Maybe that was the answer. He was depressed, right, depressed,
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  Speaker 8: which is a catch all. It could mean, I mean,
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  Speaker 8: what do you do when you're depressed. Maybe you drink,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 8: Maybe you're doing something. I'm not saying that he did.
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  Speaker 8: But and then we had Kay Granger who was basically
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 8: had dementia and was still a congress person for many months.
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  Speaker 3: One hurt, the one who was in a memory care facility.
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  Speaker 12: Yes, yes, remember that, yes, yes, uh, you know we
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  Speaker 12: had yesterday we marked up a bill in Judiciary called
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 12: the National Fossils Act, and I asked him if this
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  Speaker 12: was about senators?
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  Speaker 1: This is what?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that is.
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  Speaker 2: Actually my last question. It's kind of for both of you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm you know, we get every time we do an Ama,
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  Speaker 2: we get a question. Do you think that Thomas Massy
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: and Rokonic could run for president together and have some
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: bipartisan kumbaya.
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  Speaker 3: I've been skeptical of.
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  Speaker 2: That because I know you guys collaborate on a lot,
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  Speaker 2: but I also know there are a lot of ideological
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: differences there would be hard to sort out.
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  Speaker 3: But what are you thinking about your future politics?
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  Speaker 4: Still?
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  Speaker 3: In your future senate run, presidential run?
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  Speaker 2: What are the sorts of things that you're podcast all
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: sorts of things you don't do a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm not going to rule anything out, how about that?
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  Speaker 8: But the political terrain right now in Republican primaries is
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 8: uphill for me. Yeah, the war and I ran. This
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 8: doesn't get reported enough. Is seventy percent popular among Republicans?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Still is.
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  Speaker 8: And you know that's in Kentucky where you have Ram
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  Speaker 8: Paul and Thomas Massey. In Oklahoma, where you don't have us,
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  Speaker 8: it's eighty percent popular. According to the polster that I used,
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  Speaker 8: so you know there's still And then you saw the
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 8: vote on Israel sending the four or a people. Republicans
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 8: say they're conservative, they all want to send money overseas,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 8: but then they have a little asterisk and they say, except,
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  Speaker 8: we'll give Israel as much money as they need, you know,
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  Speaker 8: and we'll empty our coffers for that. So that I
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 8: do have a few political positions that I think are
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 8: going to be right in four.
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  Speaker 4: Years, eight years.
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  Speaker 8: Maybe it only takes two years, but right now I'm
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 8: against the grain of where you can win certain races.
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  Speaker 8: So yeah, I'm going to watch for the terrain see
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  Speaker 8: if it changes. Do I eventually get the high ground
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  Speaker 8: or not? But in the meantime, I am just so
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  Speaker 8: happy to have my life back. I should send Miriam
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 8: Madelson a thank you card.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes these things work out in a way that you
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: don't expect. So appreciate both of you guys for coming in.
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  Speaker 2: We've been wanting to have you here. We have role
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  Speaker 2: all the time. We always appreciate your time too, but
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  Speaker 2: to have you both together, you really are sure.
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  Speaker 1: Exit interview before you go, you'll come back here.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, and Roue and I have decided to run against
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 8: each other.
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  Speaker 4: I thought you were going to endorse my reelection. You
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  Speaker 4: did that for me.
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  Speaker 1: We see what that happened, Like the Dynamic Duo themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously, Yeah, I'd love for you to come back so
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  Speaker 2: I can fight with you more about libertarianisms.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we'll do it.