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ALERT: MISSING PREGNANT GIRL WITH 40-YEAR-OLD SEX PREDATOR · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace urgent amber alert a missing
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  Speaker 1: pregnant girl believed to be with a forty year old
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  Speaker 1: sex predator.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: A Wisconsin family desperately searching for answers as to the
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  Speaker 3: whereabouts of their missing team. Where is Sophia Franklin.
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  Speaker 1: Like so many parents, they think everything's fine, their daughter
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  Speaker 1: making great grades in school, attending their little Baptist church
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  Speaker 1: with them every Sunday. Everything seems to be going along
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  Speaker 1: normally in their minds, and then.
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  Speaker 4: This listen tonight, there's an active amber alert for sixteen
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  Speaker 4: year old Sophia Martin Franklin in Arkansas, more than seven
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  Speaker 4: hundred miles from her home in beaver Dam, Wisconsin. Sophia
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  Speaker 4: is five foot nine, one hundred and eighty six with
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  Speaker 4: brown hair and blue eyes. The teenager, now missing a week,
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  Speaker 4: is believed to be traveling in a black twenty fourteen
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  Speaker 4: Buick Lacrosse with Pennsylvania plate number KGW five one eighty six.
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  Speaker 4: The driver, forty year old abductor, Gary Day, the father
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  Speaker 4: of Sophia's unborn child.
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  Speaker 1: You were first hearing the beaver Dan police Chief John
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  Speaker 1: Kruzeger from our friends at WSN twelve. This is what
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  Speaker 1: we know at this hour. A teen girl pregnant by
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  Speaker 1: a forty year old sex predator with.
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  Speaker 2: A rap sheet.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, we don't know what state they could be in,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know where they're headed, and we know that
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  Speaker 1: he has a history of changing his car tags. Let's
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  Speaker 1: see that twenty fourteen Buick one more time.
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  Speaker 2: It said Buick Lacrosse.
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  Speaker 1: This is the actual vehicle the two are traveling in,
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  Speaker 1: unless he changed it out.
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  Speaker 2: And I'd like to point out.
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  Speaker 1: That this big loser is driving his mother's car. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: I did a search on this car and it is
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  Speaker 1: actually registered to his mother. Joining me an all star
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  Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know right now,
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  Speaker 1: but to explain how serious this is. Joining me first
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  Speaker 1: is Shauna Burns out of North Carolina. This is the
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  Speaker 1: mother of a little girl named Haley Burns. Her daughter
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  Speaker 1: was also lured online by a much older sex predator
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  Speaker 1: when her daughter, Heley, had just turned sixteen. Shauna, what
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  Speaker 1: happened in Haley's case.
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  Speaker 5: Hailey did not recognize the danger in this situation that
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  Speaker 5: she was getting herself into. When she was going to
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  Speaker 5: stay with a friend and ended up being held against
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  Speaker 5: her wills for three hundred and ninety nine days. And
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  Speaker 5: the person that took her was anything but a friend.
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  Speaker 1: What exactly happened to Haley, Shawna?
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  Speaker 5: He took her and put her in a room first
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  Speaker 5: and then ultimately kept her in a dog cage. He
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  Speaker 5: starved her, did horrible things to her. Things I can't
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  Speaker 5: go into because they're two graphics. But the worst things
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  Speaker 5: that you could imagine, those are what he did to
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  Speaker 5: my child.
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  Speaker 1: With me is a broken hearted mother, Shawna Burns, joining
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  Speaker 1: us out of North Carolina. Her little girl, Haley, just sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: was abducted by a man, a predator, a sex predator
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  Speaker 1: that she met online. And to make matters worse, Shawna Burns,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it true that Haley met her kidnapper and rapist
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  Speaker 1: in a chat room where he was targeting young girls
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  Speaker 1: with eating disorders?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, he prayed. He prayed on a lot of
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  Speaker 5: women in that chat room.
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  Speaker 1: How long did he have your daughter?
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  Speaker 5: Three hundred and ninety nine days?
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  Speaker 1: And during that time we did our best to help
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  Speaker 1: find Haley. And when she was found, how much weight
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  Speaker 1: had she lost?
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  Speaker 5: Shauna she weighed a bait about eighty six to eighty
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  Speaker 5: seven pounds when she came back, and she was.
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  Speaker 6: A I cook.
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  Speaker 5: I cook every night, I cook every single night. So
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  Speaker 5: my kid was a healthy weight when she left, and
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  Speaker 5: she came back skin and bones. And one of the
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  Speaker 5: hardest things was having to reintroduce food to her because
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  Speaker 5: he had not let her have meat or dairy or
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  Speaker 5: produce or anything like that on any regular basis, so
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  Speaker 5: she could not eat it. She had to very slowly.
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  Speaker 5: We had to do rice and then chicken, and that
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  Speaker 5: was the hardest part because she'd been starved for so long.
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  Speaker 5: When she came home, she just wanted to eat, but
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  Speaker 5: she couldn't because then she would get sick.
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  Speaker 1: Shauna, isn't it true that Haley's kidnap her who met
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  Speaker 1: her online kept her locked up and would only give
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  Speaker 1: her food in exchange for enforced sex.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, And the more violent that the acts were, the
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  Speaker 5: more food she got.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, you're hearing Shawna Burns describing what happened to her
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  Speaker 1: daughter after she met a sex predator online. Same thing here.
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  Speaker 1: This girl, now pregnant by the predator, has been kidnapped
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  Speaker 1: straight out to Alexis Tereschuk joining US Crime online dot
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  Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter. I want to go through what happened
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  Speaker 1: when Sophia goes missing.
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  Speaker 2: Listen Sunday night.
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  Speaker 7: Sophia says her usual good nights and turns in around
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  Speaker 7: nine pm. Monday morning, around eight am, Sofia's sister spots
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  Speaker 7: Gary Days, black buick idling a block down the street.
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  Speaker 2: While she calls police.
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  Speaker 7: A family member goes to check on Sophia and finds
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  Speaker 7: her room empty. The family reviews surveillance footage and at
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  Speaker 7: seven forty eight am, the camera catches Day walking up
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  Speaker 7: the driveway then running up to the home. The Franklins
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  Speaker 7: immediately report Sophia missing.
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  Speaker 2: Me on the lookout for this sex predator.
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  Speaker 1: A forty year old male traveling in a twenty fourteen
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  Speaker 1: Buick Lacrosse.
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  Speaker 2: He has changed license plates.
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  Speaker 1: He started off with an Arkansas plate B Brother B
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  Speaker 1: Brother R read to zero L Lucy repeat bb R
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  Speaker 1: two zero L. We believe, based on intelligence we have received,
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  Speaker 1: he is now using a Pennsylvania plate k g W
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  Speaker 1: five one eighty six, but is known to change plates. Alexis,
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  Speaker 1: let's go back to that Sunday evening when Sophia said
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  Speaker 1: good night to her family and goes to bed.
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  Speaker 2: What happened then a.
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  Speaker 8: Regular Sunday night, cold winter night. She goes to sleep
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  Speaker 8: at nine o'clock. Nothing unusual, her parents did. Nothing was
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  Speaker 8: unusual that night. They wake up in the next morning,
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  Speaker 8: they go into her room, she is not there. Everybody panics.
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  Speaker 8: Her sister notices about a block away from the house
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  Speaker 8: that there is a car that she thinks is very suspicious.
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  Speaker 8: So they go back. Sisters not in the house. They
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  Speaker 8: search the house, They look around the house. Her dad
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  Speaker 8: pulls up their security footage whether they have cameras outside
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  Speaker 8: the house, and they see a man outside their house
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  Speaker 8: kind of running towards their backyard on their security footage
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  Speaker 8: that morning. They instantly are terrified for her and they
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  Speaker 8: call nine one one and report her missing. And she
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  Speaker 8: is only sixteen years old.
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  Speaker 1: Brian just turned just turned sixteen. Brian hits Gibbons joining
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  Speaker 1: me Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security. He leads a team
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  Speaker 1: of investigators specializing and locating missing people. Brian, this guy
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  Speaker 1: had the whole thing planted. By the way he has
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  Speaker 1: a wrap sheet. Is a sex predator. This guy was
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  Speaker 1: idling the sister Sophia's sister noticed a black butte Lacrosse
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  Speaker 1: engine running about a block away from the home when
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  Speaker 1: they pull up that morning's video, as Alexis Trestut was describing,
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  Speaker 1: around seven ish that morning, they see Day the perp
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  Speaker 1: walking up to the home. As he nears the home,
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  Speaker 1: he starts running toward the back of the home.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that he was lying in wait is very disturbing.
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  Speaker 9: Forsgibbons absolutely, Nancy, and that leads me to believe that
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  Speaker 9: he was in communication with.
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  Speaker 2: Sophia prior to this pickup.
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  Speaker 9: We also know that he had an ankle monitoring bracelet
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  Speaker 9: that he had removed or allowed to the battery to
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  Speaker 9: die that day earlier that day, within twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 1: Brian, when I hear ankle monitor, my blood boy? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: why because people disable them and strict them all the time,
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  Speaker 1: all the time. We hear about it discarded or cut
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  Speaker 1: off or disabled ankle monitor, Yet we still continue.
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  Speaker 2: To do it. And now Sophia is gone pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: Can I tell you, Brian, how many cases just like
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  Speaker 1: this and a shootout and badly, when the sex predator
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  Speaker 1: realizes he's cornered, he's caught, he takes himself and the
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  Speaker 1: little girl down with him.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely, this is an extremely perilous time for Sophia, especially
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  Speaker 9: with Day being desperate enough to remove his ankle monitor.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very surprised, and I'm gonna get off. Ankle monitor
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  Speaker 1: has got bigger fish to fry, Brian. But I'm very
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  Speaker 1: surprised when he removed his ankle monitor it did not
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  Speaker 1: send some immediate alert to the monitor's supervisor. Wouldn't that
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  Speaker 1: have happened? I mean, once you see the mind doesn't
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  Speaker 1: move for a period of time, and when it is
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  Speaker 1: taken off, it should send a disabling frequency to the monitor.
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  Speaker 9: In this case, I believe it did. Nancy within forty
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  Speaker 9: eight hours. You can see in court documents that his
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  Speaker 9: probation officer was already filing paperwork to that effect. So
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  Speaker 9: the party's in Arkansas and you definitely need it here.
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  Speaker 2: Moved Zap forty eight hours.
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  Speaker 1: Forty eight hours, Brian. You and I know the stats
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  Speaker 1: backwards and forwards. The first three days, really, the first
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  Speaker 1: twenty four hours are crucial. Forty eight hours you might
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  Speaker 1: as well say forty eight days as far as I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 2: Just think about it, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: Sixty mph hour after hour after hour they are on
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  Speaker 1: the run.
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  Speaker 2: Forty eight hours.
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  Speaker 1: Seriously, that's what you've.
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  Speaker 2: Got for me.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, that radius gets bigger and big as you're saying,
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  Speaker 9: you know, forty eight hours is a massive amount of
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  Speaker 9: time here.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Can we talk about Brian
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  Speaker 1: Fitzgibbons very quickly before I tell you who this guy
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  Speaker 1: really is that has a sixteen year old just turned sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: pregnant we think three months pregnant by him and they're
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  Speaker 1: on the run. Can we talk about in the vehicle
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  Speaker 1: because I believe that's the best possibility, the best chance
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  Speaker 1: we've got of finding Sophia alive. Okay, tell me what
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  Speaker 1: you know about this black Buick Lacrosse and what's the
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  Speaker 1: possibility of a navigation nav system in this So.
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  Speaker 9: These twenty fourteen Buick Lacrosse are equipped with an Intelllink
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  Speaker 9: navigation system. Now, the important piece here is that the
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  Speaker 9: Intello link, the brain behind it that communicates to both
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  Speaker 9: cellular and satellite data, is driven by on Star. That
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  Speaker 9: on Star module, whether or not Day has an active subscription,
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  Speaker 9: can be located with a court order.
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  Speaker 2: So on Star he's able to.
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  Speaker 1: Pause, pause, pause, See not everybody knows what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: But when you said court order, let me tell everybody,
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  Speaker 1: and I have series XM, serious XM and others can
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  Speaker 1: be forced to hand over their tracking information, including nav systems.
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  Speaker 1: We just saw this in the Alex Murdlock double murder trial,
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  Speaker 1: where his NAV system in his suburban told us everything
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  Speaker 1: we needed to know about the time he gunned down
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  Speaker 1: his wife Maggie and son Paul and then took off
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  Speaker 1: to hide out at Mommy's house.
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  Speaker 2: Really, you could even see.
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  Speaker 1: When he opened the door to leave the crime saying,
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  Speaker 1: when he turned the car on, put it in drive,
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  Speaker 1: took off, when he lowered the window on the passenger
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  Speaker 1: site to throw out his wife's cell phone, then let
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  Speaker 1: the window back up and took off. It's very advanced,
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  Speaker 1: but that was in a brand new suburban. This is
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  Speaker 1: a twenty fourteen Buick Lacrosse.
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  Speaker 2: And you said intell a link.
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  Speaker 1: What how old is intell link And isn't it true
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  Speaker 1: they have to be updated in order to remain current.
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  Speaker 1: What is intellink And how does that help me find
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  Speaker 1: this vehicle?
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  Speaker 9: So intell alink is effectively the interface that the driver
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  Speaker 9: is going to use to connect their phone to use
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  Speaker 9: navigation systems and just like you said, those maps would
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  Speaker 9: need to be updated now driver behavior. Nowadays, not many
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  Speaker 9: people are actually using the navigation system on the dash.
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  Speaker 9: That being said, the intellolink system is driven by the
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  Speaker 9: GPS that on stars communicating out to the satellite or
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  Speaker 9: cellular networks to give that vehicle a brain.
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  Speaker 2: For lack of a better term.
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  Speaker 3: Sixteen year old Sophia Franklin's online chad with an unknown
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  Speaker 3: man makes Sophia's family's worst nightmare of reality.
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  Speaker 2: Where is Sophie?
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  Speaker 1: This girl just turned sixteen and is already three to
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  Speaker 1: four months pregnant by this predator.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, And you know.
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  Speaker 1: What, for those of you just joining us, I want
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  Speaker 1: to heed you to hear again about who is this
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  Speaker 1: forty year old perv. Listen.
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  Speaker 5: It's not a good dude.
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  Speaker 10: He targets young females, uses the internet as you see,
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  Speaker 10: travel to Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: And bag once.
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  Speaker 4: Gary Day, forty lives in Cabin, Arkansas, and has been
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  Speaker 4: divorced four times, most recently from the mother of his
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  Speaker 4: two sons, ages three and four. Day is still serving
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  Speaker 4: probation for endangering the wor welfare of his oldest son
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  Speaker 4: and was recently charged with domestic battery against the child.
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  Speaker 4: Day is not permitted to leave the state of Arkansas
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  Speaker 4: without permission from his probation officer.
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  Speaker 1: Well he did. That was from our friends at News
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  Speaker 1: three Now, and we're learning more.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, law enforcement discovers the black Buick Lacrosse is registered
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  Speaker 4: to Day's mother and should have Arkansas plate number BBR
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  Speaker 4: two zero L, But forty five minutes later, the car
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  Speaker 4: is spotted heading south on Highway one point fifty one
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  Speaker 4: near sun Prairie, Wisconsin, with Pennsylvania plate number KGW five
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  Speaker 4: one eighty six. Police advice that Day may continue to
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  Speaker 4: switch license plates and believe he may be traveling back
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  Speaker 4: to Arkansas because his mother lives there, but cannot say
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  Speaker 4: that with complete certainty. Drivers in Illinois and Missouri are
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  Speaker 4: asked to keep a close eye out for the twenty
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  Speaker 4: fourteen Lacrosse.
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  Speaker 11: We do know that he's switching plates right now and
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  Speaker 11: putting different plates on the vehicle, which makes it a
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  Speaker 11: little bit more difficult for law enforcement. But we're still
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  Speaker 11: working through the logistics of that friends, News three Now.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, that is beaver Dan Police Chief John Cruisier. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let me make sense of what I'm hearing straight out
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  Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psycho analys joining us from La,
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  Speaker 1: author of deal Breaker, and you can see her now
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  Speaker 1: on Peacock, Doctor Bethany. Thank you for being with us,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. Okay, you know, I might as well get
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  Speaker 1: comfortable for you to tell me everything that's going on
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  Speaker 1: up here right now. But just jumping out at me,
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  Speaker 1: he's forty, he's almost forty one years old, and he's
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  Speaker 1: driving his mommy's car.
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  Speaker 12: Let's just start with that. I caught that too, Nancy.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, this is a guy, you know. I think
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  Speaker 12: he's probably so prolifically involved in his perversion and his
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  Speaker 12: sex addiction and pursuing underage girls that he probably doesn't
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  Speaker 12: even I know he has a job, he's an insurance
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  Speaker 12: home inspector, but I doubt he even functions very highly
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  Speaker 12: in society, Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: He probably lives off.
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  Speaker 12: His mother, and the fact that he has child abuse
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  Speaker 12: charges against his own son and then he's gravitating towards
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  Speaker 12: minor women tells me that this guy likes to have
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  Speaker 12: a lot of power over his victims. He's probably all
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  Speaker 12: syrupy and sweet when he meets these girls.
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  Speaker 2: He probably tries.
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  Speaker 12: To alienate them from their parents. He probably tells them
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  Speaker 12: that he understands them, that nobody else understands them, But
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  Speaker 12: the minute Sophia disagrees with him. I'm sure this is
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  Speaker 12: one menacing individual. This is a guy who looks nice
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  Speaker 12: on the outside but is very cruel deep down. And
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  Speaker 12: the idling in front of the house, I mean, that
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  Speaker 12: is so creepy to me, Nancy. His whole day is
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  Speaker 12: spent just canvassing for girls. I don't even know how
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  Speaker 12: he has time to do much else because his whole perversion,
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  Speaker 12: his whole obsession, is wrapped around this.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of joining me is veterine trial lawyer, former felony
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  Speaker 1: prosecute now defense attorney Darryl Cohen, a partner with Cohen
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  Speaker 1: Cooper A step and Allan. Darryl, thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us, Darryl. How many times in a bond forfeiture
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  Speaker 1: calendar when somebody wouldn't show for court would say go
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  Speaker 1: to his mom's house. I'm sure he's hiding under the
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  Speaker 1: bed or in the closet right now. I mean another thing,
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  Speaker 1: aside from his driving his mother's car, didn't his employer.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that he worked at insurance company. Correct me
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  Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. Alexis and doctor Bethany, didn't they notice
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  Speaker 1: the big fat ankle monitor he was wearing. Why would
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  Speaker 1: you keep someone employed not just with a.
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  Speaker 2: Police arrest, but with a conviction, With a.
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  Speaker 1: Conviction and a big honkin ankle monitor.
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  Speaker 13: Nancy, these things happen. You have an ankle monitor because
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  Speaker 13: you're not a terrible criminal as far as the system
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  Speaker 13: is concerned. You have an ankle monitor because they don't
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  Speaker 13: want to incarcerate you. You have an ankle monitor so
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  Speaker 13: you can be tracked. They have an ankle monitor that
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  Speaker 13: shouldn't come off, that shouldn't lose its battery. But if
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  Speaker 13: and when it does, that's when the company that owns
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  Speaker 13: those ankle monitors should immediately immediately notify law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, see, we all know what you did right in there.
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  Speaker 1: I know you got your law degree. But is there
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  Speaker 1: a magician hiding deep inside your soul? Because you I
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  Speaker 1: ask you this and he tried to show me that.
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  Speaker 1: It's like pulling a different rabbit out of the hat.
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  Speaker 1: That's not what I asked for. You're talking about what
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  Speaker 1: a great person he is, and you're suddenly talking about
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  Speaker 1: it's the ankle monitors companies fault that they didn't catch him.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just hear who we're dealing with.
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  Speaker 14: Listen and Grace Day bring their four year old baby,
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  Speaker 14: Carter to the emergency room with what they think is
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  Speaker 14: a broken leg. Doctors do not believe the parents's story
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  Speaker 14: that Carter's foot got caught in the sink drain during
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  Speaker 14: a bath, and also discover bruising on Carter's cheeks and ears.
• 20:15
  Speaker 14: Arkansas DCFS gets involved in the case, and Gary Day
• 20:19
  Speaker 14: claims he was not present when Carter sustained the injury,
• 20:22
  Speaker 14: but admits it happened several days ago. Both parents are
• 20:25
  Speaker 14: charged with endangering the welfare of a minor for not
• 20:28
  Speaker 14: seeking medical attention for the baby earlier before.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Darryl Cohen defense attorney pipes in and tries to blame
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the baby for that getting his foot caught in a drain.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Joining me right now is special guest doctor Stacy Vaughn,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: vice president of Growth and Prevention at child help dot Org,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite groups, child help dot Org. Doctor
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Stacy Vaughan, thank you for being with us. Did you
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: hear that this incident occurred days before? And they are
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: just bringing him to the emergency room with what they
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: believe they broken leg. The child has been suffering. It's
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: only four months old with a potential broken leg. And
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: they try to say his foot got caught in the
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: sink drain, the sink drain during a bath.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I wonder if his ear and his face got caught
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: in the drain too, because they're covered in bruises. But
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: guess what they get to take the baby home?
• 21:32
  Speaker 15: Yeah, Nancy, And that's so typical of what happens when
• 21:36
  Speaker 15: children are brought into emergency rooms with a cover story
• 21:39
  Speaker 15: and we learn, you know, through medical exams and tests
• 21:44
  Speaker 15: that there are multiple injuries prior. But why this wasn't
• 21:49
  Speaker 15: reported to dcf s in that state, and why that
• 21:53
  Speaker 15: child wasn't removed, I don't understand that.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: And you know what, doctor Stacey Vaughn, it didn't end there.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 22:01
  Speaker 16: Four years later, Grace Day files a police report claiming
• 22:04
  Speaker 16: her husband hurt Carter. Grace tells officers she found bruises
• 22:08
  Speaker 16: on the four year old's arm and shoulder, and Gary
• 22:10
  Speaker 16: Day admitted he lost it when he found Carter climbing
• 22:14
  Speaker 16: on a piece of furniture after he cleaned up a
• 22:16
  Speaker 16: mess Carter made in the bathroom with toothpaste. Carter tells
• 22:19
  Speaker 16: cops his dad sometimes turns into the Hulk and says
• 22:23
  Speaker 16: this isn't the first time Day has hurt him. Gary
• 22:26
  Speaker 16: Day is charged with domestic battery, but the state does
• 22:29
  Speaker 16: not have enough evidence to prove the case and the
• 22:31
  Speaker 16: charges are dismissed.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I do not understand that at all, Daryl Kohen, Can
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: you just take your defense hat off for just one
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: moment and go back to your glory days when you
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: were on the right side of the law.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Really, they didn't have enough evidence.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: You've got a child with a prior where he brought
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the child in with a potential broken leg. Now the
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: same child is covered in bruises, the mom brings him in,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: and they don't have enough evidence to go forward.
• 23:00
  Speaker 13: Why maybe, Nancy, they felt like they had enough to
• 23:05
  Speaker 13: push it enough to have him arrested and to give
• 23:08
  Speaker 13: him DA's time, let him be on perrobation, which really
• 23:13
  Speaker 13: means I am waiting trial. Maybe they didn't feel that
• 23:18
  Speaker 13: they could prove it was him who did it as
• 23:21
  Speaker 13: opposed to mom. And maybe just maybe they were too
• 23:26
  Speaker 13: lazy or didn't have enough forensic evidence to prove it
• 23:30
  Speaker 13: was either one of them and they didn't want to
• 23:32
  Speaker 13: take the child away.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, Darryl, yes, you no. Do you have any facts
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: supporting anything you just said?
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Are you just.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Spinning it out like rubel Stiltskin, Right, You're spinning no facts.
• 23:45
  Speaker 13: Just basic knowledge of the law, you see, Nancy, basic
• 23:51
  Speaker 13: knowledge of the way the system works, whether we like
• 23:54
  Speaker 13: it or not.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall before Darryl can say something else, it's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the same for second verse, same as the first. The
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: child is brought in at four months. The child is
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: covered in bruises with potential broken leg at four months,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: with some kakamami story that his foot got caught in
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the sink drain. The sink drain is about that big, okay,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: but he's got a potentially broken leg. Then four years later,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: targeting the same child out of the family, the child
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: is covered in bruises and the state doesn't go forward
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: He walks away.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: And now so Fia is pregnant and missing with a
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: known predator.
• 24:38
  Speaker 12: You know, Nancy, it made me wonder if he is
• 24:42
  Speaker 12: in pregnating women so that he can have access to children.
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: I mean, the crime doesn't just stop with you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 12: predating on underage women. It's also impregnating them so he
• 24:54
  Speaker 12: can have more children around him, so that he can
• 24:57
  Speaker 12: abuse them and be cruel to them. You know, Nanncy,
• 24:59
  Speaker 12: we we know of the two crimes against the four
• 25:03
  Speaker 12: year old. Where are all the other undergage girls that
• 25:06
  Speaker 12: he's probably predating upon?
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Two?
• 25:08
  Speaker 12: This is just the tip of the iceberg, Nancy. This
• 25:10
  Speaker 12: is Sophia and this is a four year old. There
• 25:13
  Speaker 12: are other girls out there. There are other heartbroken parents
• 25:18
  Speaker 12: who's trying to alien they alienate their.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Daughters from them.
• 25:22
  Speaker 12: This story is going to grow and spread.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: This guy has a lot.
• 25:25
  Speaker 12: Of time on his hands to take advantage of children.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Trouble unfolds in Wisconsin when sixteen year old Sophia Franklin
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: is lured from her home by an older man. Police
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: plead for help in finding Sophia.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: What is he talking about? An older man? It makes
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: it sound like maybe he's twenty one, he's going on
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: forty one, as she has just turned sixteen and she
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: is at least four months pregnant. So he started statutorily
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: raping her when she was fifteen. Fifteen, Guys, there were
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: so many red flags listen days before her disappearance.
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: Sophia's parents discover a strange Google account on her phone
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: and give Beaver Dan Pde permission to investigate it. They
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: find disturbing messages between Sophia and Day. Dave repeatedly threatened suicide,
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: and Sophia attempts to console him, telling Day he needs
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: to live for their daughter, who she has preemptively named
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: Ava quote. I know how much you wanted a girl,
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: and I know how much you care for your children.
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: Day simply responds, tell her, I'm dead.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, wait, tell the unborn baby girl that they just
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: turn sixteen year old little girl is carrying, he says,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: tell her, I'm dead. Threats of suicide are common amongst
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: child sex predators, and here it is again, joining me
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: right now a special guest in addition to doctor Bethany
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Marshall and Shawna Burns, to Toyan Jordan joining us. She
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: is the chief parent officer at Bark Parental Controls, author
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: of Parenting and a Tech World. The parents noticed strange
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Google accounts that couldn't break in, so they bring in
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the sheriff, and what they find is very distressing. It's
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: not a new story to Tanya.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: It's not a new story, Nancy. Unfortunately, so many children
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: are being harmed by predators online in places and spaces
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: that parents have no idea exists. So the reason that
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: we know about the rate at which children are harmed
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: online on places like Gmail, et cetera, is because at
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: BARK we helped to protect over seven point four million
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: children across the nation, and just over the course of
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty four, we analyzed almost eight billion activities across
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: places like Gmail, Google docs, text, email, YouTube, over thirty apps.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: And children are being harmed and grew in places that
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: parents might think are perfectly safe.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Straight out to Shauna Burns joining Us. Shauna's daughter Haley
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: was lured online. She was missing approximately a year. She
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: was kept in a cage, starved, sex abused, beaten. Shauna,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: before your daughter was kidnapped, her purp was lying about
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: who he was and contacting her online, and you had
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: no idea.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: No, we had absolutely no idea.
• 28:32
  Speaker 17: It's it's exactly what your prosecutor friend was saying earlier.
• 28:36
  Speaker 17: He presented it to her that we would never understand her,
• 28:41
  Speaker 17: we would never be able to.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Just accept her the way that she was, and.
• 28:47
  Speaker 17: That he could, and that he could help her with
• 28:51
  Speaker 17: her innorexia, and that he could help her to get
• 28:54
  Speaker 17: to her ideal weight, and that we were always going
• 28:57
  Speaker 17: to want.
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: To find.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Her ideal weight. She's just a little girl. She doesn't
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: need to be worried about her ideal weight. He preyed
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: upon her, finding her in a chat room. She was actually,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: as I recall, using a computer at school. Isn't that right, Shauna?
• 29:14
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Every bit of communication happened with them at school.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: So you had no way of knowing, and in your mind,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Heley was perfectly fine, no indication that this was happening. Guys,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: same thing here with Sophia. Listen.
• 29:32
  Speaker 14: Sophia Franklin, sixteen is raised in beaver Dam, Wisconsin, in
• 29:35
  Speaker 14: a large, loving family. She's the second oldest of her
• 29:39
  Speaker 14: six siblings, A proud golden Beaver at beaver Dam High
• 29:42
  Speaker 14: sings in choir and attends church with her family at
• 29:45
  Speaker 14: Bible Baptist every Sunday.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Alexis Tereschuk joining me Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: This little girl, Sophia, who is now probably being held
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: and some interstate motel with the car hidden somewhere and
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: being brought an egg McMuffin from McDonald's in exchange for
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: statutory rapes all day long. That's what's happening to her
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: right now. That's true.
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: She has been missing.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: She was taken from her home.
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: She is pregnant by this man who is, as you said,
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: he's almost forty one years old. This has been ongoing
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: for months. Her parents have tried to stop this. They
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: contacted the police immediately. They showed the police their phone.
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: They said, she is still talking to this predator. Nothing
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: is stopping him.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: Nothing.
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: He has an ankle monitor only he is able to drive,
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: he's able to go out in public. He is able
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: to get to her. He's cross state lines, violated every
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: bit of probation, and still was able to get her.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: And she left her home.
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: And she is not old enough to, according to law,
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: to be able to be making these decisions on her own.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Thanks Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a missing teen girl
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: we believe about four months pregnant by a known child predator.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: He has kidnapped her and they are on the run
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: in a twenty fourteen black Buick Lacrosse joining me an
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: All Star panel. But let me just tell you all
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the warnings were there and there's a backstory.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: Gary Day is four years into a six year probation
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: sentence and is used to surprise visits from his probation officer.
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: But in December, the forty year old seems extremely nervous.
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: When the officer stops by, the supervisor also catches a
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: glimpse of a woman running out the back door. He
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: immediately chases her down and after an intense line of questioning,
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: gets out that she is just sixteen years old and
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: from Wisconsin.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: This is what happened. By the way, when you are
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: on probation or parole, are subject to surprise visits from
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: probation or parole officers. That's what happened here and the
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: perp it's very nervous when the probation parole came to
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the door and then a little girl runs out the
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: back who Sophia.
• 32:21
  Speaker 10: Listen, when they went to check on him, somebody around
• 32:23
  Speaker 10: at the back door, and that turned out to be
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: a sixteen year old female from Wisconsin.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Sophia Franklin is removed from Day's home and taken from
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: a medical examination while authorities contact her family. Her parents
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: are shocked and horrified to learn their daughter has been
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: with a predator and even more a paul to learn
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: she's pregnant. Sophia is returned to Wisconsin as quickly as possible,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: and her parents take every step possible to protect her
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: from day and help their daughter heal.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Dever From our friends at CBAS Chicago, Alexis Tereschuk joining
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: us clime online dot com Alexis, how did she end
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: up in his home before the kidnapped?
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: They started talking to each other online. She then convinced
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: her parents that she wanted to go stay with a friend.
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: It was summertime. She wanted to go visit and stay
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: with his friend, so they said okay. They believe she
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: was going to stay with his friend. In the meantime,
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: he had been telling her that he was going to
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: come get her. He did. He came and got her.
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: She went and stayed at his house. He crossed state
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: lines to get her. He took her back to Arkansas
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: from Wisconsin, and that's where she was saying and her
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: friend was helping her lie to her parents. They were
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: all lying and saying that she was with a friend.
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: Nobody knew that she was with this old man predator.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Oh my stars. Doctor Bethany Marshall. One little week or
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: two sleep away during the summer turns into this, and
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: when his parole probation officer knocks on the door, they
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: see a girl running out of the back.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: It's her.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: He has been targeting her and statutorally raping her for
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: so long. That's how she got pregnant.
• 34:07
  Speaker 12: He was grooming her. He was alienating her from her parents.
• 34:12
  Speaker 12: He was making her feel special and unique and desirable
• 34:16
  Speaker 12: and understood in ways that she imagines nobody else can.
• 34:21
  Speaker 12: He made her feel that the family going through the
• 34:23
  Speaker 12: Baptist church was sort of all wrong, in a perverse
• 34:27
  Speaker 12: kind of life, and that the life he could offer
• 34:29
  Speaker 12: her was great. Little does he know, does she? Little
• 34:32
  Speaker 12: does she know? He's driving his mother's car. He probably
• 34:36
  Speaker 12: has no money, nothing to offer her. He's a pervert.
• 34:40
  Speaker 12: He's abusive. He doesn't even treat his own children kindly.
• 34:44
  Speaker 12: He probably has other girls he's grooming, so when she
• 34:47
  Speaker 12: ages out, he can move on to the next victim, Nancy,
• 34:50
  Speaker 12: because that's what they do. They only victimize for a
• 34:53
  Speaker 12: certain period of time until the control slips.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Then they lose interest in the.
• 34:58
  Speaker 12: Victim and they go on to another one. It's not
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: like stalkers who stay in love with the victim, maybe
• 35:05
  Speaker 12: for years at a time.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: These predators only.
• 35:08
  Speaker 12: Want the children as long as they can have power
• 35:11
  Speaker 12: over them and alienate them from the parents, and then
• 35:14
  Speaker 12: when that power slips, Nancy, they are not interested anymore.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm worried about.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: When she wakes up in that roadside motel and realizes
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: she wants to go home, he's already threatened to commit suicide.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: What will happen? Then to Tania Jordan joining US Chief
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Parent Office at BART Parental Controls, author of Parenting in
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: a tech world.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: To Tanya, it's.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Always lies, and these predators actually target the child online.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: They find things out about them like, oh, she goes
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: to Bible Baptist church. Oh she plays soccer. Oh she
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: goes to beaver Dam High School. They find out things
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: by looking up the child's profile online. Then they start
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: befriending the child. Oh I play soccer too, Oh I
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: was a beaver My cousin goes to that high school,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: so she graduated last year. You probably don't know her.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, and they start spanning the tale.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: To Tanya, Nancy, it is so important for every parent
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: and every caregiver to realize that there's over half a
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: million predators online at any given time that we know of,
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: and that's according to the FBI. So please don't think
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: not my child. It's not a matter of if, but
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: when they're going to encounter somebody trying to message them
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: online to groom them, befriend them, and worse. And that's
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: why we've got to have these conversations proactively.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Please don't think not my kid. There's a very famous
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: quote that says, if that is the law, then the
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: law is an ass truer words we're never spoken.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Listen to this.
• 36:53
  Speaker 14: Unfortunately, law enforcement has a hard time holding Day accountable
• 36:56
  Speaker 14: at the age of content in Arkansas is sixteen, so
• 36:58
  Speaker 14: Day is not committed a chargeable sex crime. Day is
• 37:01
  Speaker 14: charged with violating this probation, contributing to the delinquency of
• 37:05
  Speaker 14: a minor, and interfering with custody. The Franklins push for
• 37:08
  Speaker 14: more serious charges in Wisconsin, but for now are only
• 37:11
  Speaker 14: able to obtain a no contact order with Day.
• 37:14
  Speaker 10: It's an antiquated law rules. We're going to work on
• 37:19
  Speaker 10: changing that. I'm going to work with some of our
• 37:21
  Speaker 10: legislators and go to reach out to them, let them
• 37:23
  Speaker 10: know that that's something we we probably should change, especially
• 37:25
  Speaker 10: with all the trafficking and the issues that we have.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Probably should change.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's the Arkansas Sheriff John Steally, and that's my
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: friends at five News and antiquated law Darryl Cohen.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: And antiquated law. That you know what that says to me.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: It's been around so long you should know you have
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: to fix it, but nobody's done anything. And now Sophia
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: is with a forty one soon to be forty one
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: year old predator and some motel getting statutorily raped and
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: exchange her in egg McMuffin.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: That's what's happening.
• 38:04
  Speaker 13: And see, in Arkansas, it is not statutorily raped, whether
• 38:08
  Speaker 13: we like it or not, and I don't. She has
• 38:11
  Speaker 13: the right as a sixteen year old to engage in
• 38:14
  Speaker 13: sex as long as it's voluntary. Other states.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: In Arkansas, in Arkansas, but wait a minute, wait a minute.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: In Wisconsin, the age of consent is eighteen. I believe
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: they started having sex relations if you can call it that,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: when she's fifteen, because she's sixteen and four months pregnant.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: But that said, so you're telling me it's okay for
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: him to go and get her out of Wisconsin, where
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: the age of consent is eighteen, take her across state
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: lines to Arkansas and rape her.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: And that's okay.
• 38:46
  Speaker 13: I'm not saying it's okay. I'm saying the little you
• 38:49
  Speaker 13: will not prevent. Well, it sounds like I am, but
• 38:52
  Speaker 13: I'm not. I'm saying the losses that she can engage
• 38:56
  Speaker 13: voluntarily in sex in Arkansas when she is sixteen or.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, yet me rephrase my question. Isn't it a felony
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: to take a minor across state lines for the purposes
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: of sex? Think Jared Fogel, the subway guy?
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Does that?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Jog your recollection regarding the black and white letter of
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: the law.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Daryl Cohen, do I.
• 39:20
  Speaker 13: Like what happened?
• 39:20
  Speaker 12: No?
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: The man Act is the man answering?
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  Speaker 13: That is a federal law. Did he violate?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 13: You know what likely he did.
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  Speaker 1: If I held you over a fire with your toes
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  Speaker 1: dangling in the flames, you would never admit what he
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  Speaker 1: did is a crime. Okay, let's deal with reality. Brian Fitzgibbons,
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  Speaker 1: I'm never going to get the right answer out of
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen. I completely understand that. That's why I win
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  Speaker 1: so many cases. Can we talk about how we're going
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  Speaker 1: to find her?
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  Speaker 9: At this point, Nancy, We've got to be looking at
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  Speaker 9: Number one, Can we track the vehicle? If that's simple possible,
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  Speaker 9: we have to start looking at cell phones? Where is
• 40:04
  Speaker 9: Gary Day getting money to survive? At this point, those
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  Speaker 9: are the three top issues that I would be looking at.
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  Speaker 9: It's number one, the vehicle tracking, number two cell phone tracking,
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  Speaker 9: and then the third The third spot would be how
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  Speaker 9: is he staying alive here? How are they eating? Where
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  Speaker 9: are they staying? Where is he getting funding?
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  Speaker 5: Well?
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  Speaker 1: I can guarantee you this fitz Givens, they ain't at
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  Speaker 1: the RITZ. If you know or think you know anything
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  Speaker 1: about the location of Sophia, please dial beaver d MPD
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  Speaker 1: nine two zero eight eight seven four six one two
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  Speaker 1: repeat nine two zero eight eight seven four six one two,
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  Speaker 1: or the Amber Alert tip line eight eight eight three
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  Speaker 1: zero four three nine three six repeat eight eight eight
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  Speaker 1: three zero four three nine three six, or reach out
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  Speaker 1: to our friends at child help dot Org. You can
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  Speaker 1: find them online or at eight hundred for a Child
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  Speaker 1: eight hundred four two two four four five eight. I
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  Speaker 1: can't stress how many cases like this end in further tragedy,
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,