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Hello from ecosystems. We send a fraternal greeting to all radio environment staff,
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the National Federation of Health Workers and its Secretary, Carlos Adamo, for allowing
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them to be part of this great family that is radio ecosystem environment under the
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prism of polyhedron. How today' s world works, increasingly complex, more
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uncertain, changing, seemingly chaotic, a world of all against all or all
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for all. Not one thing or the other. The world operates in a
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delicate balance of interacting ecosystems. I propose that you think together about how these
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ecosystems work. A small pocket manual, perhaps just a bunch of thoughts and
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reflections that allow us to accommodate, order, orient, understand how we work
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in these hyper- informed and communicated societies, where it is hard for us
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to discover their senses and motives every day. I invite you to listen and
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discover together these ecosystems in which we are often inserted without wanting to be part
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of them and which, however, are part of our daily struggles and disappointments
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and under the prism of polyhedron, because every ecosystem is composed of different faces
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or sides, with its vertices and particularities. Unity in diversity, where the
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whole is superior to the parties, the agreement superior to the conflict the reality
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is imposed on the idea and time in space. This will allow us to
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build a sustainable world, in an environment or full of humanity, in harmony
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with the unique nature that protects our existence and the generations to come welcome.
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There are ecosystems under the prism of polyhedron In a society sometimes there are urgent
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issues and there are important issues. When important issues become urgent, society leaves
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its lethargy and shows loudly and in the street what is needed and what is
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essential is to comply with those issues, which are indeed important. At this
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time, in Argentine society, it seems that the lethargy of a sector that
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appeared as sleeping, as dispersed, has been awakened. However, the last
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manifestation of the educational community, a million, some more, some less,
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can be counted of students, but also of academics, of people with their
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dust guard, of technicians, of non- teachers, of teachers, some
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with many years, even retired, but that out of honor, out of
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pride, out of love, went out into the street. This clearly leads
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us not to overlook this phenomenon so extraordinary for the world. Look at which
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planet we live in and which part of the world you go out with a
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book to manifest, like that in Argentina too it seems that we are special
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for that reason this eco- ecosystem of the scientific world, let' s
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say the scientific ecosystem of Argentina in order to understand the educational question. But
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that educational question brought to the field of society that requires this education to be
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promoted, to be able to live, to be able to thrive and,
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as you know, always in ecosystems we try to find an authoritative voice to
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someone who can help us think aloud about these issues. In this case,
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it is a great pleasure to listen to Juan Pedrosa. Juan is Secretary of
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Research at Ullingham National University and has left his activity for a while. I
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know it' s in Burlinghan. We don' t have him here on
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the floor and clearly because he' s there in the trench of a university
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that' s been cut off. Even or has some electrical problems as foreshadowing
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what may happen in the future. Juan, welcome ecosystems. Pleased to greet
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you to a pleasure and thank you for this invitation. Juan, if you
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would have to explain to the ordinary people, to the people of the plain,
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you know that there have been many debates over networks and, fundamentally not
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over digital systems about what is desirable or not about education, about what the
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budgets for universities imply, why the coniset, why science, why invest or
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why spend. This debate has become very clear at the moment. If you
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had to explain to a plain person what the system means, the scientific ecosystem
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of Argentina, look for a research secretary, how you would tell. Okay.
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In particular, I would tell you about this scientific ecosystem in the university
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sector, which is perhaps the one that dominates the entire Argentine scientific system.
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The Argentine universities, in particular those of public management, which are the vast
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majority as students, are daughters of a fairly well- known episode of our
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history, which is the university reform of a thousand noves eighteen that a little
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pregona that the university is not only coming to study, but also producing knowledge
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and what transfer everything has believes in the rest of the Community, in the
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rest of Argentine society. Then already at the Universidad Latina it is presented in
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a different way to those of the rest of the world, by those three
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legs, with those three functions, then they are part of its core is
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the production of knowledge, scientific research and all the improvements that that can lead
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to a society. So, the investment. When we talk about investing in
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university or the university budget, we talk not only about classrooms, only about
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issues that have to do with courses, careers, curricula, but also with
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research projects, with laboratory equipment, with scholarships to train future doctors, with
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the strengthening of doctoral programs, which is where scientists and scientists are actually made
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in Argentina and in the world are part of the same thing. We'
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re talking about the same thing. No, you don' t have to
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make a distinction in the realm of mainly university, between one thing or another.
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Universities are science, they' re technology, they' re arts,
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they' re innovation, they' re knowledge production, like a bunch of
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other things. Also why there is apparent hie divorce between what is scientific and
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what is community and social life. I say, if we start thinking,
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the first computer was Clementina and it was an Acá university not the one that
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had that exact advance. The first television channel in a university was also in
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the 1960s when television began in the world. Here we already had television channel,
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the first labs. Let us say where much of what is today in
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our health, even in the agricultural field, could be developed. In production
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it also arises from universities. However, it would give a sense that there
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is like a break or as a taboo that we cannot convey or link one
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thing to the other. Well, that' s a little bit like that,
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and there I can distinguish two different situations. One is that here the
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universities can be part of this, which is the poor communication of all the
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tasks and activities we carry out. And another has to do with the moments
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when universities were created in Argentina. Argentina has a history of more than 400
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years of university institutions. The one of Cordoba clear order exactly the UVA that
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turned two hundred little, the silver more than a hundred more years and there
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are institutions like ours, like those of the Conurbano or the last generation of
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universities that have a different way of birth. Already the extension as it is
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usually called this interaction with the Community is not that we have to generate it,
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but that we are already born inserted in a society, in a community
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that fought because there is that university and that is part of as neighbors of
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this type of institutions. Logically, in older and larger institutions. Look,
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there' s one case I always like to name, which is the National
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University of the South. It' s in Bahía Blancas. He' s
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not in Tierra del Fuego, of course, at the university level. The
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south of the country ended up in Bahía Blanca. Then, of course,
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the whole Patagonia had to move to Bahia to study. As new universities were
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created, communities took over university institutions and today there is a paradigm shift in
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that direction. Now that it does not question the whole Community, if it
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can be a lack of communication from the institutions to the rest of the Community,
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we are obviously trying to do this well, because projects actually have a
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direct impact on the improvement of the quality of life of the direct population,
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I say not of new generations, not of other parts of the country,
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but of what happens in the vicinity of our universities. And why do you
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think there is such a thought as to say so elusive to this and accuse
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it of being very expensive, of being spent, of being overexpended. I
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do not believe that it is particularly with universities, but that the University reacted
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in a rather powerful way to that. But he wants to illegiminate with the
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non- university scientific system, so to speak with ISET. It' s
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happening that they' re trying to identify themselves as hubs For me I think
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maybe to justify some of the funding. But, well, there' s
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the answer that yes there was on Tuesday that yes, yes, yes,
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there were really great things, that are really real impact of the university of
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people who went to the university many years ago and who told a history of
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social mobility of their own at that time in a country that had many less
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universities, I say who studied in the 1970s, for example, well,
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it was a country that had twenty peak universities less. Nothing, this Okos
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30th peak of colleges less. Then new opportunities are being created and, well,
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these pitos are being generated that you have to start to work and communicate
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better to bring them down with labor, especially on Tuesday in the square many
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students, and many of them, perhaps for the first time manifesting themselves,
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mobilizing clearly boys who are eighteen, nineteen years old, that, moreover,
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have grown in the last eight years, perhaps in efforts that have not been
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the best to identify this struggle to which you refer from time to time.
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Maybe they' re like those student loves, no, but welcome. Be
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today an oath tomorrow, a tradition of love that students flowers you are that
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on pleasant lips you leave a promise passionately. I want to calm in anger
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and clear eyes, always emitting love for looking who begs to lose the stillness
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it takes away. Smiles that last virtue in the crazy mouth that provokes me
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today. There is a necklace of live loves in your Ghosts of yesterday'
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s perfume pin I will buccaré mourniente, silver it feels flocks of memory that
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the flowered dear vine ppo, but see for looking that begs to lose the
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stillness. Smiley little girls who heal viritude. A mouthful that today tasted me
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there is a necklace of loves of my tale, Ghosts of yesterday' s
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perfume pin and I will mouth mournful, silvery saying kick of memories in a
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beloved time letane and flowery give today an oath tomorrow a betrayal love of students
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flowers of a day or says out there no carlos garden love of students flowers
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of a day. They' re good and this beautiful version of the loved
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ones. It' s getting a lot of rhythm. We' re with
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Juan Pedrosa, Secretary of Research at Burlingan National University. How is your résumé
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Juan de Where, what is your degree study and how did you turn to
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this field. Well, I was born in Mar de Plata, in the
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province of Buenos Aires. Fortunately, it was already a city with the university
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of a few years, so it was natural to pass by. After finishing
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high school. I' m in physics. I graduated in physics from the
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University of Mar de Plata and had chosen a scientific career as a job opportunity.
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It was a moment, the truth quite propitious for that. The state
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promoted the training of young scientists and scientists, so I accepted a CONISET scholarship.
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I just received and went to do my Ph D in physics to the
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University of San Martín, in an institute that has in conjunction with the National
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Atomic Energy Commission. That' s where I got a physics degree and started
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applying another bug to me or to the scientific system, which was management,
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and no work to create science spaces. On the other hand, I worked
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at the Atomic Energy Commission and until I came to work at the National University
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of Burligan, which was created by law in two thousand fourteen, and put
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together this space that I now have to coordinate a phenomenon, because from science
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afterwards you go to university management, with which good you are like on both
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sides of the counter, because you have been able to notice from the side
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that knowledge is built. And now how do we order that knowledge, how
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do we promote that knowledge to you? In different sectors and you' re
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a very young guy. Well, less and less I turned forty thousand forty
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I tore very young. Then it looks like she dresses like they talk,
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of the young promise. Ta. Well, he' s making me a
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little lesco, but nothing. I still have a lot to do, a
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lot to do, a lot to build, and I have a lot of
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enthusiasm. Still, as one person I know says, with so many achievements,
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you didn' t take a nap. It' s not to be
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seen. It' s true it' s like it' s with a
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job. But for everyone and everyone, it' s with what it'
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s with. Obviously, another of the things that are criticized today is for
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the few graduates that have the universities and we do the universities have to know
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how much I reach the end of thirty percent. So, well, you
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have to try to limit the situation so that you can say what you'
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re talking about. Well, it' s probably a subject to consider and
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probably improve, but sometimes it seems like college is just that. We are
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looking at that and higher education institutions, mainly university institutions, are much more
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than that. I told you, they are production of knowledge, they are
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social spaces here, they are spaces of families here. Just as a boy
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comes along and studies nursery school, his father comes and does archery and free
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shooting, and also his mom may do dance and his little sister practices chess.
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So the impact that that has on a community is greater. This is
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not why I change what you asked me is something that, logically, needs
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to be worked on, but that is getting better. I think because he
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' s told he' s in a race you saw, then it seems
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like the race means you have to get somewhere. But he who enters a
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university cloister and a year or two ago sometimes has to leave, sometimes he
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has to postpone, because he marries, because the children come, because a
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thousand situations happen to us in life. But in reality, those who embrace
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for some time the ability to be within a university cloister change your mind forever.
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No, of course, I say it' s not the same thing
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to have done, to have been in algebra courses, mathematical analysis, political
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philosophy, introduction to community health, anthropology, you went through here for a
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while and you' re someone else and you don' t talk in other
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situations. We now have some courses that are for retired people, for retired
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people, for older adults who are no longer going to be a graduate career
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to look for a professional opportunity, but they may not have been able to
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do it and move on in a period of their life here and also modify
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them as people. And as for foreigners, what is your view also discussed
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not that foreigners would have to come and pay if they want to study and
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that it should not be lived for foreigners, because thus we would have budget
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for the own ones that take place from Argentines. Not good. There'
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s a good look. First those numbers that show what they are and second,
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that foreigners are sometimes definitions a little bit arbitrary and are children of foreigners
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that some were born in Argentina, others came here and all have a DND
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and they are all residents. I can' t imagine that a foreigner or
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someone who lives in another country and comes to study Acá who is studying on
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Monday, in the morning he took a plane from Colombia, in the afternoon,
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ends up going, takes travión, returns to Colombia. They' re
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Argentine residents. I mean, it' s worth what it' s worth
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to any other citizen, and the effort is the same. I' ll
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add something else. Let' s also say we have the opportunity for brilliant
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minds, for people who have a genius or ability to reach out to us,
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to our community and enrich it. Or not But, of course,
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of course, and that applies not only to the university, but to anyone
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else who wants to explain. Thus the concept of nation is also constructed and
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so it was built in Argentina. Logically, I think that in essence,
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the discussion is to understand education as a good with a social public good and
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not as a product of the consumption of markets. Exactly. Yeah, yeah,
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yeah. I think he' s going that way, because if there
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' s not always the consideration. Let' s say I give you this,
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you' re giving me and if you can' t give me,
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then not exactly. That is the argument that you may sometimes fall into some
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plot Pa and get angry and but it is raised badly. It is on
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the side that you say more clearly, when our system also allows private education.
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Logically, and it should be thought from an educational policy how these two
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sectors play. No yes, of course, I mean, we can'
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t distinguish between first- and second- class students, between a public and
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private, and they' re foreigners, and the same thing, why we
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' re going to distinguish them, or because one is going to have more
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rights than another. I think they are false antinomies that are posed, but
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good for wanting to achieve the discredit. Today in the health system it is
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very common for guards to store a Venezuelan, a Colombian, a Peruvian.
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Let' s say no and out there they find you the disease they had
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if they cure you just like that. And they are people who live in
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Argentina just like those who are going to take care of themselves and go to
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their co- workers. We are also with Juan Pedrosa alive. Students agree
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that students will live the garden of our joy. They' re the ones
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who aren' t scared of an animal or a cop, and they'
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re not scared of bullets or lauri barking. Golly and samban the thing that
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live astronomy. I like students who roar like the winds when they get into
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the pits, cassocks and libertarian mascarillo regiments, just like the elements Caramba and
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samba the thing that bad experiment. I like students because they raise their chests
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when they call them nostrils knowing that they do it and do not do the
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deaf mute when the fact is presented. The Code of Law samba and samba
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the thing. I like students because they are yeast, although it will come
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out of the oven with all its excesses for the mouthful of the poor one
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who eats with bitterness, Caramba and Samba the thing and go literature. I
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like the students who march, the ruins are left with the flags high to
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the whole student, are thymics and doctors, identist surgeons, Caramba and Samban
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the thing and go specialists. I like students who, with very clear eloquence
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the black bag, sacra under indulgences, because even when we harden, gentlemen,
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the betencia Cara Samban the thing that lives all science. Geez and Samban,
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the thing is fifa, all science. Juan Pedrosa with us in the
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scientific ecosystem of the Argentine a little trying to think aloud, how our scientific
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and educational system is also and in the universities, how you had the opportunity
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to be scholarshipd in eliseo. Today the council is as in the eye of
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the storm about to finance it and make it disappear. Well, with that
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through his scholarships, like the one I had, he gives the possibility that
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people who are going to be science in the future that is going to be
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taken, he' s going to do a new five- year career,
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he' s going to be a PhD. Tomorrow I' ll have that
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certificate if you want to be a scientist to move forward. There' s
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no other way. There is no way for scientists to be created, scientists
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to be formed, but it is through these instruments, such as coninsés scholarships,
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which are the majority. There are others, universities have a smaller proportion,
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but there is an agency that takes care of that. I say if
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one plans to form new generations of scientists, scientists. It can' t
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be any other way than with ISET, with this scholarship system, with funding,
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obviously from what comes after the researcher' s career. But scholarships are
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the place. I like to talk about a scientist' s factory and a
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scientist' s factory. Well, he' s got a little bit of
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everything, he' s got a little bit of scholarships for you to do
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full time to this. Research or training in research is not something you do
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in your spare time, that I work on something I get home. I
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get a little bit like this There' s not going to be a doctoral
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thesis. And, on the other hand, well it has that if it
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happens exclusively in the universities that are the doctorate degrees that is like the certificate
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to advance in this career or in this research path. I was very struck
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by that stir that broke out. I think it was in the middle of
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last year, when, in a clarin contract, in a little joke,
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he let himself see a thing as simple and simple as good, a criticism.
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There, like saying ah has a scholarship and with nisete is his Nioki.
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That' s why it was a pretty effective remedy. Not there,
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in the humorous strip, I think he didn' t intend to preach,
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but he did use a resource that was in the air, in the media
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at least and that I can get to have an impact that researchers or Sonyoki
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fellows. But, well, nothing is part of all this machinery to hit
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the science system, the college system. It' s one more component today
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happens a lot. Today also returns not today there was also this week to
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lower the price for a demonstration like this. There was also the idea that
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we do want the university, but without Niokis and with audits, and these
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things like saying clearly that they are yes exact and surely no one wants places
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with people who don' t work or who misuse public funds. But not
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for that to say much, it seems like they are things that happen and
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that is so. Well, you have to work so it doesn' t
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happen, but don' t think it' s the rule. Obviously,
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no one can get them to look at it, to hate it, and
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that' s something that happens. It happens because there are audit spaces and
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they already do and that public information. And that' s it. But
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nothing. You can say a lot of things that can generate outrage. Yeah,
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always with the idea at the bottom of it, to take it off,
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to finance it. It has no clear ideological and political interest, of
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course, but the good thing must be explained. But if it' s
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clear, it' s gonna be okay if we don' t have nuclear
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technology in those scientists. I know it' s one of your weaknesses.
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Yeah, well, nothing. Argentina stood out for that, but precisely because
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of the political decision of a President of a very present State who saw that
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the world was evolving to one side and decided to invest in a very expensive
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technology for that moment and for any moment. And Argentina is a pioneer and
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power in Latin America and in nuclear matters, but also in the rest of
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the world. What do I know, depending on which technology and we choose
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is part of select groups of those who dominate that type of technology, such
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as uranium enrichment, for example. But they are decisions to unite him with
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the above. They are taken from the state for the development of a country
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and there how the private plays in relation to the generation of this energy,
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of nuclear energy. Yes, well, it is an activity mainly of the
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State, with different agencies, the Atomic Energy Commission or Electric Core Argentina,
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which is a company of the State, that mainly of the Secretariat of Energy,
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that is who operates to the nuclear power plants, the three that are
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in Argentina and sells to the wholesale market of electricity that is produced and intervenes
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some private actors, some mainly mixed companies. I can now think of the
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Pérez Group, a compact for the elaboration of what is called the fuel elements,
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which are part of the links that carry from uranium, from uranium mining
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to the generation of electricity with this technology. But, there are actors within
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that nuclear ecosystem that are from the private sector, which are also fundamental to
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the scientific development of a country, not just in the nuclear aspect. Perhaps
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the largest investment that is used much more is public, but it must also
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be private funds. John and there is a risk that companies will be deprived
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of nuclear power plants. You can' t see if there' s a
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risk. I don' t know what the initial list they put in.
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There are companies in the nuclear sector that at least planned to build private public
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consortia, which are good discussions to make no difference, but up to there,
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more or less work was done. I do not know if any progress
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has been made and in this reality that has been cut off, let us
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say at what point we are at, how it comes in that area has
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been definanced. Well, there are two major projects in Argentina, which are
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the construction of the reactor r to DIES, which is for the production of
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radio sotopes for nuclear medicine, and the construction of an Argentine model of a
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nuclear power generation reactor that is called modular, which is a technology of its
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own that has a certain degree of advancement. The news lately was like he
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was arrested or for the review. The nuclear authorities are now just taking over
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both the Atomic Energy Commission and the nuclear power plant. So we' ll
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soon know what' s going to happen or what ideas they have for this
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sector right away. It' s critical to me right away. They'
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re gonna tell you they need an audit and they' re gonna stop it.
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Not good, but look there is no sector more internationally audited than nuclear,
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of course for safety reasons, for a lot of others. I totally
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do. Yes, yes, no doubt and what policy we say where you
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place to think about how we should orient research in Argentina Politically, scientific policy
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has to be at the disposal of the improvement of the quality of life of
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the population and this grasps all areas of knowledge. We here at the University
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of Bullinggan have lines that can also be thought of in the same way as
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for the development of a country, industry and production, community health, health
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and biotechnology, educational policy and teacher training, which many times enter what is
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discussed, which are the social sciences and the humanities, which are also put
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in tension many times as not so important or not needed. But to discuss
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problems such as education, the truth is that there is no return to giving
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them with that and articulture languages also because the construction of a country also has
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to do with artistic and cultural production. So, then, beyond what the
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issues are, the areas of knowledge that make a country enter developing is the
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policy for me that has to have a country on a scientific level. We
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try to replicate it here at the University of Bulegan with the impact it has
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on the local, regional and perhaps hopefully, national as well and there you
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are in coordination with other universities in the same area. How this develops,
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because you said well, this is the third university phenomenon, which are the
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universities of the urban one that invaded the city. They' re really the
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ones who brought the most Tuesday to the rally. Yes, of course we
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work together because we are small, because we are young, because we have
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a very high number of students. Fortunately, and we have no other choice
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but to generate a communion so that we can optimize resources, not to duplicate
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efforts, to think that things together, because the problems we have in any
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of the aspects are the same. I say we work with Moreno, with
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José Zpáz, with Matanza, with San Martín contre of February. So it
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is almost an obligation to be in touch to enhance what we do in teaching,
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in research and in connection with the Community. We are with Juan Pedrosa,
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Secretary of Research at the National University of Publica. Well graduated in physics
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and well the student could not be absent in this ecosystem and the students want
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to talk, but in the next polite and very gallant educated block. On
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the other hand, the first thing is to study very correctly in their morals
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and moderates. There' s criticism. He never takes after the copy.
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Being a student, a true student, must be an overt student of the
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fatuants. We want to shoot the song Borico. Passion students, students to
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study, no study, even history is the first in cinemas, bends and
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grace, although there is good still entertains direct from his friends. Friends b
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want in mlsama to do or for bad moments ideal student. Serve your great
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student, rectory truth of Santo ange Gurero. I' m going through the
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house. When passing students, students to study, or is that sixth graders
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the course veru the classrooms are empty and empty my heart greets us matra,
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greets us. Thank you. It passes the effect of or also of the
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scientific ecosystem of Argentina. With Juan Pedrosa, after listening to the inevitable tweets,
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on Tuesday we heard a lot of this song from that good student who
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for us was a phenomenon in the eighties when we danced this song, but
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somehow, the profile of today' s students, in the face of this
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crisis situation in which we are, surely it will be a great challenge for
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teachers, for thinkers like you Juan, about how to contain them and that
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they can continue their studies when they have no work, when they need more
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hours to work, when it takes them so much to get to university.
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And you yourself used to say that you have power cuts or that there is
41:22
a budget reduction that implies an uncertain future. Yes, it is a population
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with which we must work and generate, we must search for them to generate
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strategies that can contain them. Logically, it' s a bad time we
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' re going through, but the University has to continue and it has to
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empower, thinking that at some point the country will grow. I need these
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professionals to make that Argentina bigger. Always we, when Argentina is going through
41:57
a crisis period, can well question ourselves being forming metallurgical engineers, for example,
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as we form that we are one of the few universities that does it
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for a country that does not seem to be so productive. And yes,
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because at some point Argentina is going to need it. Then it' s
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okay to get on. Universities have to be at the forefront of that,
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because a country needs production, it needs industry, it needs knowledge, it
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needs universities to put those professionals. There with the flag ahead, how difficult
42:30
to teach what is not seen I say, because sometimes the idea of the
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pibes hears is that I can be a footballer or youtuber or gamer or let
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' s say and the effort and sacrifice that involves studying and sustaining education in
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several more years, when you are in a universe with such a dizzying change,
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I think that to you too should pass as educator this situation from where
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I am standing to be able to teach and what things are always and are
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immutable, yes, of course, but also in relation to new youths,
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where the University also has to adapt to that they are looking without getting out
43:27
of what it is and certain structures of knowledge that continue forever. You have
43:30
to boil that up That' s fine. Yes, it must be shown
43:36
that the University is worth it, that it makes a sense, came to
43:39
the University and that it is not a waste of time or doing a lot
43:45
of other things that are sometimes said out there. But the University does,
43:51
it always has to be thinking about its most immediate subjects, who are students,
43:55
most of them leaving high school and who, well, maybe comes with
43:59
new, new stories or new ways of seeing the world. That' s
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where they used to say before. I don' t know if it'
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s still valid now, but we have an education system created in the 19th
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century with 20th- century teachers and we live in the 21st. Well,
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that' s why we have that mission. It' s still going to
44:17
be like this. Let' s think about this University of Burlengham when it
44:23
started teachers and still maintains a large proportion. They are not teachers trained at
44:28
the University of Burleng P There are still people like me who studied the Mar
44:31
de Plata, people who studied in Rosario, in Luján, in the Silver,
44:37
in the UVA, until there are 21st century teachers trained in Nurling,
44:42
even if they know the situation of Bulgam. Well, they' re processes
44:45
that make institutions grow and it' s going to change at some point.
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We are going to get that clear, because besides the wealth that each one
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can bring, but also the look that each one has is a totally different
44:59
look, because each institution has its way of functioning and when you start from
45:04
scratch and with a gaucho and every town must be difficult, not clear,
45:09
yes, but good. But this is how institutions are created. I mean,
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it happened to everyone. At some point UVA did not exist and UVA
45:15
appeared and were people who had studied elsewhere, probably in Cordoba or in Europe,
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and until UVA at some point was 100 percent made up of teachers who
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trained in UVA. Well, at some point it won' t happen to
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us all and we can make that leap that you said earlier how much it
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marks us. No. I am a graduate of the UVA in law and
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I had the opportunity to do some post- degrees in Mar del Plata where
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to live a long time and with how much it marks you. Not emotionally,
45:50
even the study house you exist for you to go to. Yes,
45:54
yes, totally, totally, you take certain forms, you always live with
46:00
some memories and why not. Also some tricks and nothing. I' m
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touched by something exciting that I' ve ever heard from someone who compares it
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to being a father, parenting, or motherhood, which is creating a college
46:16
of zero or being part of that process. I mean, and you'
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re barbarous, you see, you can see again what you were like as
46:28
a student in another house, what things you have well marked and how much
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you have to modify in some things because the world changed and listen to those
46:36
who come. But yes, the mark that lets you that the soul Maters
46:39
is almost indelible and try not to compete the same mistakes, not also improve
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in the mind not to say good. In this we will see how we
46:47
can improve it exactly. You know the mistakes, or you have the criticisms
46:52
where they came from and then you replicate them. It' s already one
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' s responsibility, having the chance to change it. How much the future
47:00
will change what happened on April 23rd. I don' t know if I
47:08
can say how much. There was at least one clear sign that the Community
47:14
is an issue of interest to it and that it will not be easy to
47:17
harm it. I' m telling the truth that it' s a very
47:23
nice photo that was, not just in Capital, but in many sectors of
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the country. So that' s important for me it seems that it marks
47:31
some strong presence to say well, here' s this university sector, which
47:35
also included people who were challenged by this claim or these ideas. It'
47:43
s cross- sectional. We don' t say this from the youngest boys,
47:49
committing ourselves to thinking that it' s just not the classroom, but
47:52
it' s also the street and we have to win the street so we
47:54
can think about the future. And those who, like me like others,
48:00
have passed through the classrooms and who have understood that everything received must be returned
48:05
by demonstrating publicly in favor of education. Yeah, yeah, she' s
48:12
cross- cutting, in ages, in social sectors, in a lot of
48:15
things, and that made her very pretty to Tuesday' s rally. Maybe
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it' s our last ball to be able to generate what was dreamed of
48:27
with the possibility of the social rise of power. I was excited at the
48:34
little posters that said I am first generation of or, thank you that my
48:40
daughter for you could be received and then a little that inheritance from parents to
48:47
children through the field of education is something so sublime, as wonderful as people
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show us the best of us. Yes, it is something that can only
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be achieved by the university and of these characteristics that is what we have in
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Argentina. So you do have to fight to keep it happening. I really
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liked your look at the beginning of the program when you said that this University
49:15
of Argentina in particular is very special with respect to other educational systems. Yes,
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I mean, it' s something that on the other side, it
49:25
doesn' t exist Sometimes it' s emphasized, mainly the non- tariff
49:34
of activities for students, but it has many other particularities, as I told
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you, they' re earlier. Use that are previous, seventy years ago
49:43
of the non- tariff dictated by Perón. But the university reform you will
49:47
equate with other places in the world. No. It' s superior to
49:52
other things to me. French May, for example, is often spoken of.
49:57
The university reform. For me it has a much higher power. Totally
50:01
and really positioned in Latin America. I' m sure the University of Argentina
50:08
is a different actor. Now incredible, incredible because here it finds manifestation of
50:15
eighteen arises from some foolishness, for minor things and then it transforms into what
50:19
was I say, because how is the path of things that can begin with
50:22
a little thing that falls down, but that can then have such an incredible
50:28
impact even for the history of universities itself. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
50:37
start, like you say, you start with something else, maybe, but
50:42
it came up with something super powerful and nothing marked. He placed a stamp
50:45
on the University of Argentina that could rarely be reversed. I' m saying
50:52
that they' re doing discs, pretty, pretty hard, pretty fucked up
50:58
for our town. It was put into tension, but if those values do
51:00
not continue until today, yes, clearly in the thirty and then also good
51:05
in Peronism had a swing, but it was managed to recover and joined the
51:09
workers and I loved it. We' re closing, but I loved that
51:15
unity thing, Workers' University. I loved that little song that before the
51:22
Sierra Workers Unit sang the University of the Workers. And whoever doesn' t
51:27
want them to fuck off. Yes, just like that, because finally,
51:30
a large part of the universities are the non- teachers who are, they
51:36
spend the days here, they are the ones who open and close the university
51:37
and the teachers, who are the ones who give meaning to the teaching function,
51:43
to the research function. And there' s the graduate. He is
51:46
also a worker, not exactly the student, he is a worker of course,
51:53
John, I thank you very much for this time. I apologize for
51:57
altering your day, but it was very nice to hear from you and,
52:04
in addition, to think together of something that excites us in this particular week,
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and that, hopefully, continues to thrill us always and promotes a better
52:15
future, fundamentally for the kids who are going to study today. Well,
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thank you very much for the invitation and available for other times. Thank you
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very much, a hug Juan Pedrosa, Secretary of Research at the University of
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Burlingham, also telling the reality of a university with urban Bonaerense, a young
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university and how they are thinking these new forty- year- old type minds,
52:40
which is research secretary, who is a PhD in energy, in physics.
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Well, we really like it in ecosystems. I hope that you have
52:52
had a good time and that we will be aware of the transcendence of this
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step taken by society, not only by the educational community, but also by
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society, all in favour of the defence of free, free and quality education.
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Thank you all in the technical operation, my dear friend Ezequiel Amarillo,
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the production of melina reboa, my name Luis de Giovannino. If you had
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a good time, well, spread it over there thanks to you all the
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