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Miami Game Recap · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  Welcome back to the boundary on a podcast with my partner, Brian
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  Segal. I'm Curtis Wilson, Brian.
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  Go ahead. Do it.
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  Before we start do it. I need to see it.
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  I need to see it surrender, Cobra, man.
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  Yeah, your boy courtesy here is putting a little bit of a beat
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  down on me right now. Not not confirmed yet, but I'm
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  in a position where essentially his next three players have to
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  score. Absolutely.
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  Thing for me to win, so it ain't happening.
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  I'm taking the Yale Solomon it. It's all good.
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  It's it hasn't been my year. Injuries of crush me, guys, on
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  the covid list of crush. Me.
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  It just hasn't been the championship.
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  You know? Your guys aren't as focused.
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  Yeah. Yes, I asked you you took home
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  everything. You were what 11 and 2 in the
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  regular season 11 and to it. Yeah, I crush the regular season
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  and then smoke the playoffs it. What?
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  He's looking the playoffs. Thank you on, by 30 ghost games
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  last year in the playoffs. I don't like it was it like a
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  game, it wasn't like brown was sitting here on pins and needles
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  on a Monday night. It was like I'm yeah absolutely
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  Squad last year and nobody was really injured much.
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  So no not many in that helps. You had a good balance.
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  You took a few risk here and there you know the way you play
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  Fantasy like we all should but you know I got to just throw
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  that in. And there we had photos of our
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  teams, had a good day. Both teams winning your Colts,
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  put a SmackDown on the bills. I mean, yeah, that was that was
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  big. Jonathan Taylor for MVP ladies
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  and Gentlemen. Let's go ahead, Hank and I mean
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  for more touchdowns today, right?
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  55 he got a fit. Yeah, so yeah, you guys are now
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  right outside the wall. Wildcard, the Niners.
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  And he went for over 200 all-purpose, rushing and
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  receiving, he's really good. And with the Titans losing y'all
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  inch up in the division. Every yeah, I mean, the only
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  downside is that we got to be a full game ahead of them to
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  actually take the division. It's not, it's no tiebreaker.
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  We don't own the, the advantage there.
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  So we got to be a full game ahead of them.
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  So that's the downside. But the upside is, we just got a
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  game closer to that, it's true. And And in the next few weeks
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  they've got Patriots Jaguar, Steelers, 49ers, yeah, they've
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  got like a 3 and 2 record potentially out of that.
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  And then y'all got, let's see. The Buccaneers next week.
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  Texans Patriots Cardinals. Y'all got to run for path to get
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  there especially if you know Kyler and the boys get get
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  healthy there and they ended up playing well today, even even
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  without Murray, they played well.
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  So it shows you the importance in any division in football of
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  having a good backup quarterback, right?
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  That likes the one you can depend on.
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  I mean, dean or cult solid but he still even you know, getting
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  a little bit older he still can move a little bit so he still
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  can run most more or less the full complement of that offense
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  and and get things done so that's helped them.
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  And you get a you get a veteran like that that still takes care
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  of the football, but still can do everything you need in that
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  offense. That's what's big for them.
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  It's very true, man. It's very true and it's you
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  again. It just shows.
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  The importance of it again, all levels of football and we get to
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  talk about it. Some tonight we have and do the
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  Hokies here. And let's just dive into it,
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  Braun. Let's start you know, 38:26
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  loss, right? My mind didn't fool me a tea and
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  3826. I got that wrote down here
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  because I did not. Maybe it was just having a bit.
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  Busy day and it was a late night.
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  It was a loss. I didn't stay up and like, fever
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  over it and read a million posts.
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  It ended had some family in town taking like them, went to bed
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  fell asleep. Yeah, I think a lot of this is
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  because we know what's coming next.
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  Yeah, so we're not we're not necessarily sweating.
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  The outcomes at this point, we more or less want.
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  To see this team play hard play play as good as they can, to
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  close this out, and hopefully, get a game or two in the in the
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  win column as they go about that, to really kind of bring
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  things home on a positive note. But, you know, I think the
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  expectations are Kids play hard and see what happens.
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  So we at least got part of that out of the equation.
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  And I like some of the things I saw from j.c. from a leadership
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  standpoint. Again, this isn't something he's
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  doing long-term but I like I like the the fact that he was
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  out there, you know, take taking some chances putting putting,
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  putting the guys in calculated risk situations to get back in
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  the Ballgame, once they fell behind early and they Did the
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  onside kick is probably what Brian's really talking about the
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  biggest. It was a great play at the time,
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  it worked, it pulled us right back in the ball game again,
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  calculated risk. I know some people saying they
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  thought, the defense wasn't playing hard.
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  I didn't see that. I felt like the defense was
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  playing hard. I think they made some really
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  critical mistakes, but it wasn't for lack of effort.
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  So, I did not see a team quit last night that could
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  potentially happen when you had what happened this week.
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  Week JC again. You said it, calculated risks
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  made it, you know, the two-point conversion.
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  I know it was an argument last night.
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  Several places. Why are we going for two?
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  I was okay with it where it where you had the momentum, the
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  play call was to be desired, which we gonna be a bigger issue
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  with the play called in the decision.
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  There we were late enough in the game.
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  At that point, I don't have a big problem chasing points there
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  just because you do, you get it down to a field goal.
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  Game versus a touchdown game, it set yourself up there, so I
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  don't have a problem with that necessarily.
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  Lee. No, none.
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  None with it. And again, him in the press or
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  afterwards, I didn't get to see everything.
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  So awesome. Quote took full responsibility
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  said. No Asterix on this.
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  We lost the game. You know and that's kind of what
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  you want to hear. Lost the game.
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  Nothing special about it. It was my duty to go out there
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  and win the game and we lost. Yeah, so you know, we've already
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  felt better about the if anybody wants the pressure.
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  On Thursday. We already talked about the
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  injury thing AC was quickly. Very open and upfront about what
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  happened about what's going on especially with Trey not Shadow
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  games or I don't know what's happening.
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  You knew what was happening. All you have to do is we'll see
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  you Saturday. Yeah it was.
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  This is what's going on. This is why he's doing it.
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  This is what's this is what it is, and then we're going to keep
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  it moving. So we're going to see the more
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  interesting to see Monday. Which will definitely be
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  watching that especially with what, you know, what transpired
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  with tray. But let's flip it round.
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  Let's start with the defense because the defense had a
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  blunders worth of stuff. It was yeah, it was probably
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  probably one of their worst outings in a while probably
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  since That will Syracuse. Probably Syracuse.
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  Yeah, and Sarah, but Syracuse was more of a death by a
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  Thousand Cuts after a while. Whereas you know this seem like
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  like they it seemed like they were down this, they were down
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  from the get-go. Yeah, they got they got there.
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  They got their dicks kicked in the dirt early and then it took
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  them a long time to get out there and by the Time they
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  finally rally. The offense was doing a little
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  bit, but it looked like it was too little too late and then a
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  couple more big plays happen to kind of cap things off.
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  I'm writing that one down here. Brian Dick's kicked in the dirt.
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  Put it on a t-shirt. Yeah, I'm gonna say this your
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  version. Which you were the Catalyst for
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  bronze. Usually the Catalyst for the
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  versions just because of his background and playing, Thing
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  after my thoughts in there but you crushed it.
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  I'll tip the cap. Everything you said that we
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  needed to do the things. We didn't do good it absolutely
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  cost us. The game will start with the one
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  thing we did do good and I'm going to ask you for a great.
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  Let's start with gap, Integrity. Brian.
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  I mean, the rush defense and of this wasn't really a good Miami
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  rushing team. Only averaging about 135 yards
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  game and we completely snuffed it out.
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  You know, 57 yards on six carries.
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  What did you see? What are you grading?
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  I guess? Essentially the front seven and
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  the team as a whole for Gap Integrity.
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  Yeah. This is probably one of their
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  better games overall. I'm going to give them, I'd say
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  it's B plus a minus range and I'm going to give a big
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  shout-out to Keyshawn artist who was a big part of why we were
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  able to kind of keep some of those potential first downs and
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  not and really one that should have been a no first down that
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  turned into one on that. That fourth down that got
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  spotted in a full half yard off. Like it should, it should it
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  wasn't even close. It was terrible 5 and it was
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  reviewed and what they even better.
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  Come on said today, there was this perfect angle.
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  You can see where the ball was like if you stopped it like this
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  is where the line is. This is where the ball is and
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  you put ball on the line and I get they can't like for whatever
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  reason. It has to be a full speed.
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  Look the when they look at it, whatever.
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  But I just I don't I don't get that.
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  But again, let's get back to what we're talking about here.
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  So gapper Integrity again, Keyshawn artist was was really
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  the, the big difference here. He played a majority of the
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  snaps out there, and he really did a good job of stepping up in
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  the gap. Giving a hard shoulder, really?
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  Not letting the point of contact drive him back anymore.
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  So, where wherever he was getting the stick, that's where
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  the tackle was made. And I think that's the
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  difference between some of our other linebackers is that when
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  he hits you, you go down. It's true.
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  He does bring the Thunder and he brings the Thunder but he also
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  has pretty good form. He had Thunders, he gets form.
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  It's not. I'm gonna, you see a lot of
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  guys, they bring the Thunder and they're not essentially rapping.
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  He does when he hits he still under control and I think that's
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  awesome. A lot of players struggle, with
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  either being bringing the bring the lumber or forming up and
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  being under control of the tackle, And he does a good job
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  of kind of finding that balance where he can still bring a pop.
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  But but not really put himself in a bad position.
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  Yeah, and I'm going to say this and I know some people are going
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  to scream. Well, they did all this other
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  stuff better. They won the game but here's the
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  issue. The reason we had that chance in
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  the second half is they couldn't establish a wrong.
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  They couldn't establish a run at all compared to this game could
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  have been hit right where we had no shot because the Gap
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  Integrity sucked and they started running the ball at will
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  taking long drives. Even if they didn't score, they
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  break the break, the 40 punnet deep and we weren't doing
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  anything offensively that game. So, So what I'd ask people to do
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  is go back. Think about the game.
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  If this isn't happening decent, we don't have a fighting chance.
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  Now, the rain starts coming down, they can't quite sling, it
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  around as much as they want to and they could run the ball, so
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  won't and that that enabled us to get some some plays on
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  offense and get down the field a couple times.
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  Have the big onside kick there. I mean, there are several things
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  in there where that helped us really get Back into that game
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  because it really could have went far south.
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  If we were struggling in both phases there.
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  So kudos to the the defensive line in the linebackers, like I
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  said, in particular, shout out to Keyshawn artist.
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  Probably my player the game on defense.
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  Nothing really negative to say about his play and like I said,
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  I think overall front seven did a decent job.
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  It's the secondary where well unfortunately things started
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  falling apart. Art, well yeah, the other thing
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  you said Brian was we have to limit the big plays and okay, we
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  gave up two touchdowns over 50 yards.
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  I'm one but two Harley's 55 Smith, 75 literally one play
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  after we scored a touchdown, they take it right back to where
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  it was. Then you had Rambo had a
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  39-yard. ER George had a 32 yarder Rambo.
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  Let us up all game. 7 for 116, we talked about him, we talked
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  about how highly Everybody was how he had solid numbers at
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  Oklahoma. He went over 1,000 this weekend,
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  that's really making it making himself some money this year and
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  then Van Dyke 375, three touchdowns, Brian, let's hear a
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  your grade and then what exactly was happening.
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  I mean, it's got to be an F, right?
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  I mean, you can't give up that many big plays and, and get a
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  passing grade, and it was a lot of things.
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  Number one, probably the worst game of Jermaine wohlers career.
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  Yep. And it was a, he had a very bad
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  first half and he only had an okay second half.
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  Yeah. And I'm not sure what was going
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  on but it was, it was little things and big things.
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  It was like some some of it look like efforts on.
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  Would look like techniques on would just look like He's, you
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  know, he just got beat like though.
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  It was kind of a little bit of a mixed bag of everything, which
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  was kind of odd. Like usually, if somebody is
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  injured, he looks like he's injured and there were a couple
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  times where he was hopping around after a play.
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  Especially, I think there was one, throw down the sideline on
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  a fade to Rambo that he got called for PID, came up limping
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  right after that. So I don't know if he's just not
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  quite there and some some of that's best in with his mental,
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  but he's getting beaten, a bunch of different ways. is that is
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  Can I say this? Yeah, I think mental, you said
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  it their mental. And if you think about the first
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  big play of the game for Miami that it was a 30, it was the 39
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  yard or two Rambo, he played. Absolutely perfect coverage.
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  It was just a perfectly thrown ball in a perfect catch.
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  Yeah, down the right. Sideline and my question kind of
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  goes back, go back to yourself. You're playing, you play a
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  perfect technique, play Everything.
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  Perfect. And some guy just gets you
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  beats. You sexy quarterback.
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  Yeah. In that first play.
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  I mean, I mean that was literally early in the game.
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  Can that be one of those things that's just in your head, the
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  rest of the game and then you awkwardly, you know, step on
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  your foot and the mental part of Well they've already hit me.
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  I'm already played perfect coverage.
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  I stepped on my foot wrong. That doesn't feel right.
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  I got a pi call. The next thing.
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  You know it's all up here and I'm the coach's job too good for
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  this has been kind of going on the last couple weeks, though,
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  because he had what three Pi is against Duke.
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  He wasn't great. I know some of those were one
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  legit Pia to. I get that, I get that but It,
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  you know, some of this have been, he's had some rough games,
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  the last three weeks, this is just happen to be the one where
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  we couldn't, there was a quarterback and a receiver that
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  can make him pay for it. And and it happened.
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  And you know, it's sad to say, like I said, I don't know if
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  this is just one or two bad plays and the mental spilling
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  over into the physical that definitely can happen, you know,
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  the whole thing, don't let one bad play.
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  Beat you twice. It seems to be kind of the the,
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  the thread here. But he wasn't the only one that
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  was struggling out there in the secondary.
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  We had obviously early, we lost, we lost a daily.
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  So we ended up kind of having to go different directions in the
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  safety area there. So that's two fold, right?
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  So, Not only are you having to have another guy on there for
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  more snaps, but you're not able to give them as many as many
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  blows either. So, is many blows.
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  We taught the targeting real quick.
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  Yeah, and I watched the pit, you be a game second one.
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  Same way, it was shoulder. It was no ill intent, it was no
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  real pardoning. It was just one of those things.
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  I'm going to throw my shoulder into him.
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  Is it got down to my shoulder level?
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  If you want, what do we always say?
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  We go back again. This is what the went.
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  They said and this is actually, do you want to call that a
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  15-yard penalty? Sure, right.
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  Hey, that's fine. A hit to the Head.
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  Fine essentially, may God's goal or ejections for that.
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  It's bullshit. And it's got to somehow get
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  fixed in the next year or so, Tay daily and the kid from pit
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  should have never been off the field.
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  In those games, I'm going to say Say something wild almost like
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  something. Wild here.
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  I want the referee to have discretion as to whether
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  something is intentional or not and that can be the
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  differentiating factor between an arc between what between
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  ejection and just unnecessary roughness.
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  And the reason I say that is because we've gotten to a point
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  where You're losing players that all they did were was making a
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  football play. Yeah, no ill intent.
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  No launching, no headhunting, just trying to make like, this
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  is a guy trying to just put a strong shoulder into a guy, to
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  finish off a tackle, and all of a sudden he drops his head.
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  And there's a, there's a new Zone there and the defender
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  can't change. I mean, it's a bang.
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  Bang, play. The Defender has zero time to
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  recognize what's happening? And it should because I think
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  that did hurt us on the back end.
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  Because how early was that in the game?
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  I'm trying to look through my notes Here, second Drive.
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  I think it was 73 when that happened, I think.
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  And get my notes Here. Yeah, guys.
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  We keep notes. Believe it or not?
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  I'm nerdy. We are because it wasn't the
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  first drive. Now, I'm pretty sure it was the
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  second drive. If it wasn't was the third
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  Either way, either way it was garbage, it was garbage and it
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  definitely hurt us, especially on the back end.
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  It's experiences. Take daily in putting more
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  inexperienced guys. In.
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  All right. Other thing Brown, you talked
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  about was keep behind the sticks and and I'm going to say this
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  when we did, keep them behind the sticks, they struggled and
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  that was a way. I in the third quarter and early
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  part of the fourth that we got back in this game because of
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  that, but still the money stops. You know, 7 for 13, including
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  the fourth down. Stop that wasn't a stop.
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  So they were over, you know, over fifty percent.
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  So Even though it was critical. What are you graded?
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  I mean d.c. - maybe I'm gonna go see - you know it depends on how
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  much credit you want to give them for the fourth down.
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  That wasn't think that's whether you go see your D here overall
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  it wasn't bad and I think some of it we've benefited from you
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  that period you know, late second into the majority of the
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  third quarter where they weren't able to just sling it deep
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  because some of the weather there.
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  So we've The fitted from that and that I think that kind of
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  stacks the the great a little bit there for us.
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  So it could have been much worse potentially if they were able to
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  play their game the whole time you guys.
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  But yeah about to keep him behind the sticks.
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  Do you think? I'm going to say this was
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  jehan's worst game, he called how many times we were in the
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  wrong coverage for the potential because it seemed like, every
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  time we were getting big deep downfield.
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  I feel like a couple times. It was like cover to a couple
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  times. It was like a cover one.
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  We're playing straight man. And you always mentioned you
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  like quarters recovered three look especially against
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  downfield passing teams because Delta passing teams having those
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  guys back. 15 20 yards, he has to anticipate right?
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  Yep. Why was hand mixing it?
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  I know on the Harley play. The Cub the touchdown we were in
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  cover two. And I asked you earlier about
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  this so kind of give your explanation it should have been
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  a touchdown, but should we have really been in cover two?
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  I mean, we're uncovered to occasionally.
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  We, we usually mix it with the cover to man under look, which I
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  would have been okay with there because at least you would
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  probably not have Dax matched up on a parlor here as they
• 23:46
  essentially. So so dax's responsibility is is
• 23:49
  to carry up the seam as deep as he can and in this case he did a
• 23:56
  pretty good job of limiting the space underneath to throw that
• 24:01
  The problem is that there's supposed to be another safety on
• 24:05
  top of it, but Jenkins got caught looking in the backfield
• 24:08
  and was chasing the play. Instead of being on top of the
• 24:12
  the route there and so he was out of position to be able to
• 24:17
  come up there. That's a play that was probably
• 24:20
  going to be a 30-yard Gainer anyway but it turned into a
• 24:23
  touchdown because Jenkins was out of position.
• 24:27
  All right. Like I said I would have
• 24:29
  preferred more of that man under Look, I would prefer to us to
• 24:33
  once we realize they were slinging it all night.
• 24:35
  Go into a true nickel and while essentially have artists out
• 24:41
  there with with Connor and index off the field, not know knock
• 24:47
  and acts but artist is now our best run linebacker keep him on
• 24:53
  there and then then roll out. Connor at the backer and then
• 24:57
  get your extra corners on the field there.
• 25:01
  That would have been what I would have done, it would have
• 25:03
  helped somewhat. But again, we were still in
• 25:08
  coverages at wrong times, we were still blowing coverages
• 25:11
  blowing assignments, it was kind of a mixed bag of everything
• 25:15
  that could possibly go wrong in the secondary true and it all
• 25:19
  happened in one game, it did. And you talk about blown
• 25:23
  coverage is something else. You made a big point of on
• 25:26
  Wednesday night. Was we've got to make them
• 25:27
  settle for three. Will they got down there four
• 25:30
  times? We only held them.
• 25:31
  The three once on two of the touchdowns it was absolutely
• 25:35
  blown coverages. The one to the tight end
• 25:40
  Mallory. Somebody completely vacated that
• 25:43
  side, am are eroding up. There was no one there so once
• 25:47
  he got by Mari and there's no one vacating that whoever was
• 25:50
  supposed to be back there vacated The Zone, it was an easy
• 25:53
  pitch for Van Dyke and then the other one, I know you talked
• 25:56
  about Keshawn artist on the other touchdown, close to the
• 25:59
  goal line, he blew It was a little play-action fake.
• 26:02
  He stuck his head in right outside.
• 26:05
  He, it was in his own. You could tell it was and that's
• 26:11
  you say what you want to say. If I can't go back and say,
• 26:15
  well, if they had been in there, right Zone?
• 26:18
  Does it result in three? Not seven, don't know.
• 26:23
  But it gets hard to say the Mallory play was interesting
• 26:26
  because you had, you had two guys there and it looked like it
• 26:30
  was I think whoever had the the curls own was playing a little
• 26:38
  too shallow and then Waller got in no man's land where he could
• 26:41
  decide. If he was going to stay deep to
• 26:44
  make sure he didn't let something Creek behind him or
• 26:46
  come up, and get Mallory. And by the time, he decided to
• 26:49
  come and get Mallory was too, late way too late.
• 26:52
  And that was on a, that was on a field side blitz.
• 26:56
  So your best pass rusher in bar. No, is riding up now.
• 27:00
  Hurry up the sidelines in that case, right?
• 27:03
  Yep. Yeah.
• 27:06
  And like I said, I'd have to look at the tape again to see
• 27:09
  who had that other that other part of the Zone there.
• 27:12
  But yeah, Walter got kind of in, no man's land and just didn't
• 27:16
  make the right choice there. I think if he realized that
• 27:20
  there wasn't anyone, coming across the field behind him.
• 27:24
  He would have probably came up and made a play.
• 27:26
  Probably could have had a pic if he, you know, recognize the the
• 27:29
  route on time. But, you know, I think he was
• 27:32
  thinking too much on that one. Very true.
• 27:35
  All right, Brian. So overall defense it was just
• 27:38
  not a good night for those guys regardless they had their
• 27:43
  moments that dead us, get back into it but essentially they
• 27:46
  gave up another couple late that essentially put the game away
• 27:49
  from Miami. Let's let's go to another unit
• 27:53
  that had been the best unit. We've had all year our special
• 27:57
  teams unit as far as it goes. For the return coverages.
• 28:01
  I mean definitely their worst 86 yards on kickoff.
• 28:05
  Turn 65 on punt, returns, and mean that's 150 plus yards.
• 28:12
  That is a ton of field position with a defense that's
• 28:15
  struggling. And it looked like just to me,
• 28:22
  not really. It wasn't like really bad play
• 28:26
  that play calls. You only have so many it.
• 28:28
  Look, just like terrible technique and terrible leverage.
• 28:31
  Every single time. Yeah, there was one, the big,
• 28:36
  the one long kickoff. Looks like guy got out of got of
• 28:41
  his Lane, got blocked a little bit and it just opened up there
• 28:45
  was a crease there. We have one that thankfully got
• 28:49
  called back. It was an awful night for the
• 28:54
  coverage, man. I just think that for something
• 28:58
  that's been a strength, all year.
• 29:00
  It's odd to see that that breakdown.
• 29:03
  And I don't know if it was leveraged, I don't know if it
• 29:05
  was you know some of it was leverage.
• 29:08
  Some of it could have been. All right.
• 29:10
  You got the element you're dealing with that.
• 29:11
  But I mean everybody else is dealing with that too.
• 29:13
  Yeah. You can't really use that as an
• 29:15
  excuse. You just got to go out there and
• 29:18
  try to do better next time. Well, after the first punt
• 29:21
  return. Turn.
• 29:22
  Yeah, that was the sealer right there.
• 29:24
  Yeah, sorry, it's okay. Herbert Herbert to Eckler and
• 29:31
  steel, bronze fate. Sorry, bud.
• 29:35
  But the first punt return. Like, we have the guy trap and
• 29:39
  for some reason, They can't remember the number, but the guy
• 29:44
  seems to step left and I'm sitting like why are you
• 29:46
  stepping left? Right is all of the open field.
• 29:50
  All you need to do is step right?
• 29:52
  And force them back up inside. At least he's going towards the
• 29:54
  sideline, he stepped left. He went right around.
• 29:57
  And next, it was a 40-yard game and they were already having
• 30:01
  success. So, you know, you gotta
• 30:04
  understand where your Leverage is, and where your help is.
• 30:07
  And that's an instance of missing both.
• 30:10
  Now, I would I would find it Interesting, you know, to see
• 30:14
  how many younger guys. If this was one of those things
• 30:17
  where well it's late in the season we need to start gluing
• 30:22
  some guys, some PT, you know, essentially they're not that
• 30:25
  weird. They're going to even if we go
• 30:27
  to a bowl game, they're going to get their red shirt.
• 30:29
  So I wonder if that was part of it, I might look back on some of
• 30:34
  the condensed versions. See if we can find out who they
• 30:37
  were on those and see if it was, maybe lesser Not lesser skilled
• 30:43
  guys. But lesser got guys with lesser
• 30:45
  PT on the field less experienced, folks.
• 30:50
  Yeah, Special Teams. You.
• 30:51
  Yeah, it could be I tend to unless it's somebody that I
• 30:55
  recognized right off. I tend to not pay a ton of to of
• 30:58
  attention to who's making the plays on special teams as long
• 31:02
  as they are made, especially on some of those coverages just
• 31:07
  because you don't see quite as many Star.
• 31:11
  There's all those units. Absolutely sorry, brother.
• 31:16
  Let's flip over to the offense. Now, we're rolling here about 30
• 31:19
  minutes, deep, let's talk about the rushing offense.
• 31:22
  If you had had to go somewhere, didn't get to see the game.
• 31:25
  But I texted, you Braun 43, rushing 227 yards over five.
• 31:31
  Carry the seems good, right? That seems about what I was
• 31:34
  hoping for in the game. But then if I told you, well,
• 31:38
  Thomas got seven carries raheen Got Two Carries The ACC running
• 31:42
  back of the week last week. Got to carries Keshawn King got
• 31:47
  to carries. And then I told you blumrich and
• 31:50
  Bebe. Got blumrich 30 bb10.
• 31:54
  Tell me what would be in your mind?
• 31:56
  And what would you want to do to certain people?
• 32:00
  Yeah, this is a big problem. So let's talk about a few things
• 32:08
  because there there's, there's layers to this, right?
• 32:11
  Well, it's a little like it. It's so, and I'm good with
• 32:14
  plumber, getting out there. And the way that we started, the
• 32:17
  game plumber CAD packages that he was coming in.
• 32:21
  There was like, you know, the wild turkey.
• 32:24
  There was some other, the other things that he was doing just
• 32:27
  straight quarterback sweeps, quarterback leads, you know,
• 32:31
  there's a handful of things that they were throwing out there
• 32:33
  just to mix it up and Not use BB on a ton of these design runs
• 32:41
  LED BB if he's going to run be a scramble drill or something like
• 32:46
  that. And BB had a couple big runs.
• 32:48
  Early 11, pretty big one where it looked like as fast as I've
• 32:55
  seen him run that, that was what I he's shown speed, but I didn't
• 33:02
  really appreciate how fast he could really be until that play.
• 33:06
  But we just Had we haven't seen enough of that consistently just
• 33:09
  because he's been pretty much banged up.
• 33:12
  I mean, kind of since week one. Right.
• 33:15
  He had a little little nicked in that game.
• 33:17
  He's been a little Nick's since then it's been ribs.
• 33:22
  It's been a little hand. It's been like, it's been a
• 33:26
  little bit of everything right shoulder.
• 33:29
  So but then we ended up just 30 carries by our quarterbacks.
• 33:39
  I just I don't know what to do with that.
• 33:40
  I get that there was we got to a point where BB was nicked again
• 33:45
  and you got blumrich. So you know you're going to get
• 33:48
  you know, the Notre Dame game plan script from that point on
• 33:51
  you know that we saw a couple years back.
• 33:54
  We QP you're going to get that type of script but not giving it
• 33:59
  to the running back since the baffling part, it's one thing.
• 34:01
  If you're devoting yourself to the run, it's completely
• 34:04
  different. If you're just using your
• 34:06
  quarterbacks as bad, Battering rams, which is just what we did.
• 34:10
  Yeah. And the problem I have with that
• 34:13
  is that if you look at some of the other things is that it
• 34:16
  created other problems for the offensive line and there was
• 34:19
  some trickle down there. So let's go ahead and talk about
• 34:23
  that. And I know we have it in a
• 34:26
  different order, but I'm going to leave with this, the Caden
• 34:28
  more pull sack, some of that is set up directly because we were
• 34:35
  not using our Our running backs. So, so if you're is, if you're
• 34:40
  covering a read option or any sort of quarterback Rush the
• 34:44
  where there's an option for the quarterback to give primarily
• 34:47
  you're going to use, either a squeeze or a pop technique.
• 34:50
  You're going to either squeeze to kind of slow play it.
• 34:52
  Make the quarterback make a choice.
• 34:57
  And then you want to try to get them to keep it.
• 34:59
  So you can come up, make the play or pop it.
• 35:02
  You're going to essentially attack the mesh Point, either
• 35:05
  you're going to make the quarterback, give it or you're
• 35:06
  there to make it make a tackle. Well, once they saw, we weren't
• 35:10
  handing the ball to the running back.
• 35:12
  It was pop all day. They were going right at the
• 35:14
  mesh point every single time. Every time there was no waiting.
• 35:20
  There was no, there was none of that.
• 35:22
  No. Hesitant I'm going right at the
• 35:24
  quarterback and he's either. Going to give it because it's
• 35:27
  smart where I'm going to get me a big play in the backfield.
• 35:31
  And though in the backfield and here's one where we got it, we
• 35:34
  got a counteraction counter play action on a on a pass and
• 35:39
  Cadence pulling across the formation to essentially block.
• 35:44
  The guy that would normally be a read and a read option.
• 35:48
  But he's already thinking all right with this is a
• 35:50
  read-option. I'm attacking the mesh point,
• 35:52
  he's flying up field. He's five yards up field before
• 35:55
  Caden even gets into the position there.
• 35:58
  So it's not so much. That that play can't work or
• 36:02
  that scheme, can't work. But in this situation, and I'll
• 36:06
  critique Kayden here, a little bit, probably a bad, bad step a
• 36:10
  little bit slow getting across there, but it's made worse by
• 36:14
  the fact that, that, that defensive end is flying up
• 36:18
  filled already. It was, it was worse than
• 36:21
  because they already knew tendency, right?
• 36:24
  Yeah. Tendency was, they're not giving
• 36:27
  it, he's going to keep it. So I'm just going to fly off.
• 36:31
  And if he gives it a oh well they're down in the game, it was
• 36:36
  just like it's this whole thing that again, this offensive
• 36:41
  coordinator cannot grasp. In that case, if you start
• 36:46
  giving it more up the middle or even on those the beers we saw,
• 36:52
  you will make them have to start thinking again because Malachi
• 36:56
  Thomas or Rahim blacks year or even key Chongqing, you make the
• 37:01
  wrong mistake on them and they get the scene, it's a house call
• 37:06
  it's 40 or 50 yards, if they had no fear of it, they got the ball
• 37:10
  seven times, they got the ball. Basically 12%.
• 37:16
  No team is going to be scared of the running backs if you're
• 37:19
  giving them 12 percent especially a guy like Rahim that
• 37:23
  does better with volume and Malachi does better with volume
• 37:27
  as well. They do you get them more
• 37:28
  carries they are more consistent so you got kind of essentially
• 37:33
  cold backs at this point right back to them.
• 37:36
  Either been blocking most of the game or having been on the field
• 37:39
  or been decoys. Yeah.
• 37:41
  Like so like Essentially carried your offense since Notre Dame,
• 37:51
  right? Yep, since Notre Dame or decoys
• 37:56
  in a game, you need to get Bowl eligible on the road.
• 38:00
  Yeah, somebody doesn't want a job after this.
• 38:03
  Somebody doesn't want a job. Somebody's looking at Nathan
• 38:07
  Hale, with, with a big grin right now.
• 38:09
  He's like, all right, I'll be there next year.
• 38:11
  Yeah. Hey, five years here at 500
• 38:14
  thousand dollars out. Is my money, let's the passing
• 38:19
  offense, you know, it wasn't help.
• 38:21
  We did give up for sex. We had six tackle, they had six
• 38:24
  tackles for loss ugly, stat line to me.
• 38:30
  Ugly passes 19, 428 148, three, touchdown passes.
• 38:35
  All of them were right at the goal line, and just some of the
• 38:39
  ugliest freaking passes, it was raining.
• 38:43
  Yes. But they were still Ugly.
• 38:45
  I don't care what anybody says, I'm with you.
• 38:47
  And I mean, so let's start with one thing.
• 38:50
  The offensive line didn't have the greatest night in pass, bro.
• 38:54
  It wasn't awful, but it was one of their definitely in the lower
• 38:58
  50% of their effort this year. That was compounded a little bit
• 39:02
  by a lot of the things that we're going on behind the line
• 39:05
  of scrimmage with the quarterback situation.
• 39:08
  And as you said, 19 2848, three touchdowns a lot of that was
• 39:15
  About three plays two of which were to sorry, one of which was
• 39:21
  to Trey Turner that get injured on and really if Trey Turner
• 39:30
  doesn't make two plays and then you've got some of the other
• 39:35
  younger guys that were going to talk about a little bit.
• 39:37
  Making a couple of plays that stat line going to be been even
• 39:40
  worse. I sat like them, like these
• 39:42
  weren't routine catches. Ladies and gentlemen, this this
• 39:45
  This was pulling the rabbit at your head a little bit.
• 39:48
  That's that line. Legitimately could have been 15
• 39:51
  for 28, maybe 85 yards. Maybe somewhere somewhere,
• 39:58
  thereabouts, maybe 100, maybe, 150, go back and do the math.
• 40:03
  It wouldn't have been over 150. I know that.
• 40:06
  No, but let me ask this Brian. You were going into UVA next
• 40:12
  week. You mentioned that you about
• 40:18
  Connor, you mean that ugly screen pass.
• 40:20
  Good Lord, he threw that thing right into the dirt, but as it
• 40:24
  is, he is even better chance on the ball.
• 40:28
  So, I'll say this, you talk about the one in the dirt, but
• 40:31
  then he talked about when Brax was in there.
• 40:33
  He sailed one about 10 yards above tase head, so I don't know
• 40:38
  which is worse. Neither were catchable unless
• 40:43
  you were in the immediate vicinity Sanity of the
• 40:45
  quarterback. So I'll tell you the one thing
• 40:51
  that blumrich does is that he does throw a ball more than 15
• 40:56
  yards, downfield, that gives our receivers a chance to make a
• 40:59
  play on it. He does that better than
• 41:02
  Braxton. What Braxton has is.
• 41:04
  He has accuracy in the short game when he's able to have a
• 41:10
  clean pocket step into it, make a good throw.
• 41:14
  He doesn't have the arm strength to do anything beyond that.
• 41:17
  He doesn't throw the out very good.
• 41:20
  He's got to drive it. He doesn't throw a good deep
• 41:24
  ball, he doesn't really do a good job of attacking the middle
• 41:29
  of the field. So, you know, maybe blumrich as
• 41:33
  sad as it is to say gives us the better chance because he does
• 41:36
  put a ball up there down the field that gives our receivers a
• 41:39
  chance to do something with it. Maybe we stick with him just
• 41:45
  because he is also the more durable quarterback.
• 41:50
  If we are going to stick with running our quarterbacks this
• 41:53
  much in the UVA game as well, it can times.
• 41:56
  Yeah, it'll be it'll be I'm sure Monday.
• 42:01
  Presser something will be asked about that so it'll be sort of
• 42:05
  mind-blowing. We've got, you know, 76 days
• 42:09
  roughly give or take you mentioned it earlier a little
• 42:12
  bit of you. Movement on probably counter
• 42:16
  bluemix best thrown ball downfield, Dwayne Lofton.
• 42:20
  He gave him a chance and Duane caught it.
• 42:23
  Yeah. And I mean that was that's a
• 42:26
  tough throw and he put it where only Lofton could get it and
• 42:32
  Lofton winning got it. Yes he did full extension.
• 42:36
  It was it was probably one of the two best plays the night and
• 42:40
  Trey Turner had the other one on the The catch it at the goal,
• 42:45
  line there for the touchdown, very vintage Odell Beckham jr.
• 42:52
  Esque. But, but we also had Jalen
• 42:56
  Jones, get a big catch on a dig across the middle where he took
• 43:02
  a big pop after the catch. So you know, those two guys
• 43:07
  getting involved in the passing game is Big I'd like to see more
• 43:11
  of that. I'm sad that we Didn't see more
• 43:14
  earlier in the season, especially for the fact that,
• 43:17
  I'm pretty sure this point, lofton's shirts, burnt despite
• 43:21
  not really getting a whole lot of actual targets, right?
• 43:26
  I want to say he, I want to say he's played in at least four at
• 43:29
  this point. Give me a second here, while I'm
• 43:35
  looking that up, Brian, let me ask this, give me the overall
• 43:39
  assessment of the offensive coordinator.
• 43:42
  Tell me. Tell me right now.
• 43:45
  Like you know, he's coaching for his future and I know where
• 43:51
  We've joked about it but let's be serious right now.
• 43:54
  I mean, is he going D to best at best at best at best?
• 44:00
  I can't see him getting a coordinator job.
• 44:03
  Like he's not going to get any decent FCS coordinator job.
• 44:11
  At all. I mean he's just like his only
• 44:14
  hope is for one day gets a G5 job in hires and I mean the
• 44:20
  thing is that the the Secret's out on him at this point.
• 44:22
  This isn't this isn't a guy that's having a bad run or a guy
• 44:26
  that doesn't have the talent rate.
• 44:29
  This is a guy that has shown who he is what he is.
• 44:33
  We've got guys on the record saying what he does.
• 44:38
  Yeah, you know the only thing that he As well at this point,
• 44:42
  is misdirection with motion. That's it.
• 44:51
  You get to you. Get to the linebackers eyes
• 44:53
  moving in the wrong direction on occasion.
• 44:55
  Okay. Good for you dictate where the
• 44:59
  balls going to go eventually. You don't think they can.
• 45:03
  You don't think these guys who are coached and watch a ton of
• 45:05
  tape, say the coaches on the sidelines, when you see this
• 45:09
  play happen, just go just go with this guy.
• 45:11
  Why? Because homeboy over there is
• 45:13
  going to tell them to give it to this guy.
• 45:14
  There's not going to be every or or tell him not to, you know, a
• 45:17
  lot of times it's either. Sometimes the the window
• 45:20
  dressing gives away the play and then sometimes the window
• 45:22
  dressing, you just need to ignore.
• 45:25
  And once you figured out what window dressing to pay attention
• 45:27
  to and which ones to ignore the, the Secret's out, very true
• 45:32
  Braun. Alright Braun.
• 45:34
  You know, before we get into looking at some coaching
• 45:38
  candidates for the Virginia Tech job guys, we like we told you
• 45:42
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  Now back to the episode Alright guys, so we have made a list of
• 46:21
  close to 15 guys and we made a list of no chance and he'll and
• 46:29
  we made a list of one guy we want, but would probably get.
• 46:33
  So we're going to start with the Ford our courses.
• 46:36
  There's been some rumors of these guys.
• 46:38
  We just in hindsight we can't see any of these guys actually
• 46:42
  accepting this job or us offering the job.
• 46:45
  Job and those are these four as follows.
• 46:48
  Byron Leftwich Tampa Bay Buccaneers offensive coordinator
• 46:52
  Bill O'Brien, the OC at Alabama for an NFL head.
• 46:54
  Coach Hugh freeze at Liberty and Brent pry, who's the defensive
• 46:59
  coordinator up at Penn State? I'd say two of these.
• 47:05
  We probably will, at least contact how far we get the
• 47:09
  process. I don't know, I'd say Bill
• 47:11
  O'Brien and Brent pry, or more of A four or more likely to get
• 47:18
  into the process here? I don't know, I don't know what
• 47:22
  you what your opinion is on that.
• 47:24
  But that would be the two that I would say, have a better chance
• 47:26
  in the Dark Horse category here. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on
• 47:29
  that. I don't know.
• 47:30
  A lot of people, I got text about Buddy last night.
• 47:32
  Like Hugh freeze like we're not hiring Hugh, freeze Hugh.
• 47:36
  Freeze has a stain on him that I don't think our Administration
• 47:43
  ill will go for Or I just don't think, I think it would be a
• 47:48
  good hire. I don't think that Virginia Tech
• 47:51
  goes that route. If, for whatever reason, whether
• 47:54
  it's, Which choice, whether it's, you know, guys on the
• 47:57
  board of visitors that aren't willing to sign that check or
• 48:02
  sign off on that, there's going to be pressure from for multiple
• 48:06
  levels to probably not give you freeze the look.
• 48:09
  He probably deserves and that's just you called that a fit
• 48:14
  Choice. Whatever it Is.
• 48:15
  I mean, some of it is, is being able to fit into that that type
• 48:21
  of parameters. So if you got a guy that's
• 48:25
  that's budding against your board of visitors, every couple
• 48:29
  months that's probably not a good thing.
• 48:32
  So that's probably why it's not going to happen.
• 48:35
  Like I said, I think he if it was my choice and I mean, being
• 48:41
  he'd be in my top five. So, But now I'm going to say
• 48:47
  this though, with LSU already being open and now Florida
• 48:50
  coming, open put Dan Mullen as a dark horse to.
• 48:52
  It's just later in the process, but I think now he has his
• 48:59
  sights on two programs. And I'm not saying they don't
• 49:01
  care about what happened before but it's less like you listen we
• 49:08
  don't really care. We just want to win 85 to 90% of
• 49:11
  the time and compete for championships.
• 49:14
  So there Our I just mentioned five Dark Horses.
• 49:18
  They're there on our minds we just can't see them going any
• 49:21
  further. But let's start with the first
• 49:24
  name here. Brian.
• 49:25
  I'm going to do the program. Will do the cons have little
• 49:27
  back and forth. Mike Elko Texas, A&M defensive
• 49:30
  coordinator couple of his prose y'all.
• 49:34
  He had been with Dave place. And previously had two very
• 49:37
  successful students with Clausen before he went up to Notre Dame
• 49:40
  and Texas A&M much bigger time programs.
• 49:44
  He does have Obviously some ties to the state of Virginia
• 49:47
  recruiting being at Richmond with Clawson and then being at
• 49:52
  Wake Forest his defense is always been good.
• 49:56
  Like he's never had like the worst defense in the country.
• 50:01
  Obviously, it's gotten better looks as he has gotten more
• 50:04
  Talent, especially Notre Dame for a few years.
• 50:08
  And again, being at Wake Forest, they had some solid defense has
• 50:13
  obviously has a little bit of Player Development to go along
• 50:16
  with his good recruiting Yeah, and for the cons, the big thing
• 50:22
  we're looking at is really no head coach experience, that's
• 50:25
  out. The gate is going to be the big
• 50:26
  one, and that might be the one thing that keeps him off with
• 50:31
  its radar. I know he said that he's not
• 50:35
  shying away from guys that have only been coordinators, but he
• 50:40
  also is, you know, he said the power 5 job in the ACC being
• 50:46
  your first head coaching gig is going to be a tough jump.
• 50:48
  So I think he's only going to look at a coordinator.
• 50:53
  If it's absolutely 100%, the guy he wants or the guy that he
• 50:58
  thinks is going to be the best fit.
• 51:01
  So that's kind of where we are with with the cons and you know,
• 51:04
  we got another one here. Most recruiting success has been
• 51:07
  in Texas and that's really the big thing.
• 51:10
  When you look at his recruiting numbers and the guys that he's
• 51:14
  pulled, most of those big recruits have been in Texas.
• 51:16
  We know how that's Or he goes in terms of how that relates to
• 51:21
  Blacksburg, you know, you can pull one or two.
• 51:24
  It's not something where you can build a pipeline and he really,
• 51:29
  you know, in terms of being on the the head coaching radar, he
• 51:33
  really hasn't been on that that radar until some of the success
• 51:37
  recently at a.m. and then you previously at Notre Dame's.
• 51:40
  So Elko is really kind of a new face in terms of being on the
• 51:46
  head coaching radar. I don't know if that's
• 51:47
  necessarily something that would shot folks away from it, but it
• 51:50
  is something to look at there. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:54
  When you balance is pros and cons, would it be?
• 51:57
  Would we be throwing things and on the drive to Miriam and to
• 52:01
  pick it? No, we will.
• 52:02
  And I think you'd be an okay higher but I but I definitely
• 52:05
  think we can do better. I do think Elko is on the verge
• 52:11
  of probably the next Two years. He's going to get a head
• 52:16
  coaching job. I do not think he will get a big
• 52:19
  P5 job. I think he will have to land
• 52:21
  somewhere like a Wake Forest like a Syracuse and build his
• 52:27
  ilk from there. Yeah.
• 52:29
  If he's going to go power 5, probably the bottom end, you
• 52:32
  know, maybe maybe even Duke if that comes open.
• 52:37
  No, not that. I wouldn't want it either.
• 52:39
  I'm just saying he might take it anyway.
• 52:43
  Yeah, I'm kind of with you there.
• 52:45
  I think the big thing with Elko is that, you know, we don't know
• 52:49
  a whole lot in terms of what that what he would look like as
• 52:52
  a head coach. And I think that's something
• 52:53
  that unless he's got, he checks a whole lot of other boxes that
• 52:58
  might be the thing that holds him back.
• 53:00
  Absolutely. So let's go ahead and move on
• 53:03
  to. We'll talk next about Josh
• 53:05
  Gaddis. Some of the pros for Josh Gad is
• 53:10
  he was born in played in the region so that that's, that's a
• 53:15
  big thing for him. He's had some big stops in his
• 53:18
  career, big stops throughout his career.
• 53:22
  He was an NFL draft pick and player.
• 53:25
  So having that NFL experience, definitely adds to the pedigree
• 53:29
  there has some experience in Mid-Atlantic recruiting And he
• 53:35
  was the recruiting coordinator at Penn State.
• 53:37
  So I think that's really when you look at the overall body of
• 53:41
  work there, some pretty good things to talk about, what are
• 53:46
  some of the cons on Gaddis there?
• 53:47
  Curtis it goddess. Michigan OC.
• 53:50
  You know, first of all it's the one, the next shower.
• 53:52
  And a kind of cart seeing a trend here.
• 53:54
  He has no head coaching experience at any level.
• 53:59
  Here's my biggest con what we mean by we're talking about us.
• 54:03
  When Mike's locksley got his But Maryland, he and Gaddis were
• 54:07
  Colo seeds. When locksley got the job, he
• 54:11
  was not internally promoted immediately to hit offensive
• 54:15
  coordinator and essentially when that happened, you know, he
• 54:22
  left, he went up to Michigan and since he's been at Michigan,
• 54:25
  it's taken a little bit of time to, you know, kind of kind of
• 54:33
  show exactly what he's all about.
• 54:36
  You know, he's been at Michigan now.
• 54:39
  This This his third season they were is okay.
• 54:42
  In 2019, they didn't look great. Last year, they're finally
• 54:45
  hidden strides this year, biggest test this weekend,
• 54:48
  against Ohio State, and this is one.
• 54:52
  I always talk about. He's only ever coached Elite
• 54:56
  Talent as a. No.
• 54:57
  See. And when you start coaching
• 55:00
  guys, at that level, Is it, is it some of what you say and do
• 55:06
  helps you? But when you have the best
• 55:08
  players for near the top of the best players at every single
• 55:13
  position as an offensive coordinator, Some things it's
• 55:17
  just like, you know, I hate to say there's something like well,
• 55:21
  let's just run a power over, right?
• 55:24
  37-yard touchdown. Yay, great call.
• 55:27
  Now that's deployers so, you know, if he's hired you feel
• 55:37
  like, you know, probably haven't seen any interviews with Josh
• 55:42
  cow so you probably feel he probably got a good personality.
• 55:45
  Leti where he recruits, but I think he's one of those jobs if
• 55:53
  he continues to do good in Michigan.
• 55:55
  If they, if they beat Ohio State next week and they go to the
• 55:59
  playoffs, I think he will get a solid head coaching job
• 56:03
  somewhere. Yeah, I agree.
• 56:07
  I think. with Gatos, he's probably one of the more under
• 56:15
  the radar coordinators that's made our list here.
• 56:19
  I would say, I think he is getting a lot of good.
• 56:23
  Looks some of that is, you know, because he was born and played
• 56:25
  in the region. And I think some of that is just
• 56:28
  his overall pedigree and then the couple big stops with Penn
• 56:31
  State and out at Michigan that he's had, you know, Bama in
• 56:35
  there as well. So you will see if he ends up
• 56:39
  staying on the radar as we kind of Move Along here.
• 56:43
  True. So who's up next buddy up?
• 56:46
  Next Marcus Freeman. Defensive coordinator had a
• 56:50
  Notre Dame, you know, his prose wherever he's been at.
• 56:56
  He's shown the ability to recruit.
• 56:59
  Good players. And it's it's something that
• 57:02
  sticks because he was at Purdue. He was at Cincinnati.
• 57:06
  If you've ever seen him speak and I got to watch a video, his
• 57:12
  personality, it will blow you away here in the sky.
• 57:15
  Talk about his philosophy about players.
• 57:20
  You go to YouTube, just find a market screaming interview and
• 57:24
  that will partially sell you on why he's above, you know, a few
• 57:29
  other guys who had a little bit more timely programs.
• 57:32
  Yeah, he wins player at Ohio State.
• 57:37
  What he's done, it's in C and Notre Dame.
• 57:39
  Last few years that's that's something its culture, right?
• 57:45
  Winning culture is a thing. They haven't given up a
• 57:49
  touchdown in the last three weeks ever know they haven't,
• 57:52
  they haven't even touchdown. Now, the other thing I like
• 57:55
  about him and again it goes back to this being where he is now at
• 58:01
  Notre Dame with the Elite Talent like guy like Kyle Hamilton, but
• 58:05
  he was at Cincinnati where he had to develop guys.
• 58:08
  So he's showing you that combination that to me is, why
• 58:13
  hit some had coaches? Do so well, which will about
• 58:16
  Nick Saban. He has a ton of four and five.
• 58:18
  Star guys, but you also see three star guys coming there and
• 58:21
  make impacts right. He knows how to fix the elite,
• 58:25
  he knows how to coach Developmental and to me to be a
• 58:29
  top, 15 top 20 program, that's a balance, you have to have
• 58:32
  someone. We just mentioned, I don't think
• 58:34
  Dan Mullen knows how to do that down in Florida.
• 58:37
  That's why you got fired. I think Dan knows how to coach
• 58:40
  developmental Talent. He hasn't found a strive for the
• 58:45
  Elite Talent guys. I think he I think he can
• 58:47
  consistently recruit top 30 classes, but he has to do more
• 58:51
  of the on the development side. He's not a guy that can take,
• 58:56
  he's not a guy that can get Florida, the classes.
• 58:58
  They should be able to get but he also doesn't know how to
• 59:02
  handle those guys once they get in the door either.
• 59:04
  Absolutely. All right, Brian.
• 59:05
  Let's look as much as we just. I just drooled all over Freeman.
• 59:11
  There are some cons there. Yeah, I mean the big one.
• 59:14
  This is still consistent is going to be consistent with
• 59:16
  every coordinator that hasn't had a head coach experiences
• 59:19
  that no head coach experience at this point.
• 59:22
  So any any We're taking on Freeman.
• 59:24
  Will have that risk associated with it.
• 59:27
  That's just going to be something.
• 59:28
  We're going to have to potentially deal with and the
• 59:32
  second one being he's only been at one place where he's had big
• 59:36
  expectations and that's where he's at now and he's only been
• 59:39
  there, you know, 90% of one season.
• 59:45
  So That's, that's interesting angle there.
• 59:50
  Just because you know, while since he had expectations for a
• 59:55
  G5 school, you know this wasn't make the playoffs type
• 1:00:00
  expectations. He's at he's at a place now
• 1:00:02
  where the expectations to make the playoff and he's showing out
• 1:00:06
  thus far. But this is really, you know, a
• 1:00:10
  very small sample size at this point and the last one being
• 1:00:14
  he's only really ever coached in the Upper Midwest.
• 1:00:17
  We talked about Purdue Cincy. Notre Dame obviously has OSU
• 1:00:23
  ties there so in state. Yeah, Indiana that's it.
• 1:00:28
  So high. Oh, state is the closest he's
• 1:00:32
  ever been to the Mid-Atlantic and again, that's another cell.
• 1:00:40
  But again I think my positive listen to him talk.
• 1:00:44
  I think that guy could walk into any The Mid-Atlantic household
• 1:00:49
  and silica ball program. Yeah, and we've seen and we've
• 1:00:52
  seen it done. I mean, he's got some once he
• 1:00:55
  started it. A lot of was sensing a lot
• 1:00:57
  especially now with Notre Dame. He's recruiting players from all
• 1:01:00
  over the country and he's having success wherever he's
• 1:01:02
  recruiting. So I don't think the recruiting
• 1:01:05
  part of it is necessarily a problem and I don't necessarily
• 1:01:10
  think that will have a problem in terms of the fit in terms of
• 1:01:17
  His personality. Whereas in Puente some of you
• 1:01:21
  know Oklahoma Texas type demeanor, rub some wrong way.
• 1:01:29
  I don't think you'll have that with Freeman even though he's
• 1:01:31
  not necessarily a regional guy. Yeah.
• 1:01:35
  So those are the cons for Freeman.
• 1:01:38
  I feel really good about Freeman Freeman, is probably the highest
• 1:01:41
  I am on any coordinator on our list.
• 1:01:44
  Yeah. I'm with you.
• 1:01:47
  I'm with you on that who we got next O'Brien?
• 1:01:50
  All right, next up. We got Tony, Elliott, offensive
• 1:01:54
  coordinator at Clemson. This is a name that was very
• 1:02:00
  high on the buzz list last year when we thought Fuente might be
• 1:02:03
  out following the covid year, the big thing out the gate.
• 1:02:08
  This guy can recruit his ass off.
• 1:02:12
  You look at some of the recruits.
• 1:02:15
  He's pulled in. It's a who's who of the big-name
• 1:02:18
  Clemson guys that have walked through the door?
• 1:02:22
  And he has lower Mid-Atlantic recruiting experience.
• 1:02:25
  So he's recruited up into Virginia.
• 1:02:27
  He's recruited a lot and the Carolinas or crew delight and
• 1:02:31
  Georgia some in Florida and really completely torn it up and
• 1:02:37
  his offenses have set records. I mean we look at 2021 is really
• 1:02:41
  the big outlier. Some of that has to do with some
• 1:02:44
  of the limitations He's had with his quarterback play overall,
• 1:02:48
  he's more of a running backs ISO.
• 1:02:51
  You know, I'm not sure if we'll see.
• 1:02:55
  See, that type of thing carry over there, but his offenses
• 1:02:58
  have done well, with really good talent.
• 1:03:01
  And with, you know, just above average Talent you, he doesn't
• 1:03:05
  need a five-star. Number one or two quarterback in
• 1:03:08
  the class to get it done. And his position group is always
• 1:03:13
  performed. Like I said, with the running
• 1:03:15
  backs there, they've always had pretty good.
• 1:03:17
  Numbers Shipley's do is probably the bright spot of that offense
• 1:03:20
  this year. Overall, obviously Travis at TN,
• 1:03:25
  completely tore it up when he was here, and when you listen to
• 1:03:30
  this guy, talk much like Freeman, very infectious
• 1:03:33
  personality type of guy, you want to play for type of guy,
• 1:03:37
  you want to hear speak about that your program?
• 1:03:41
  So Curtis we talked about the pros.
• 1:03:42
  What are some of the cons here man?
• 1:03:45
  One of the cons is again no head coaching experience and it's
• 1:03:49
  very limited recruiting in the DMV are very limited.
• 1:03:52
  He this isn't like his primary or his primary areas down in
• 1:03:56
  Georgia and Florida. So he has submitted Land
• 1:03:59
  Experience. But he's not, it's not a ton of
• 1:04:03
  where we, where we feel like we need to see it.
• 1:04:07
  He's only ever coached and state of South Carolina.
• 1:04:10
  Clemson and firm, that's it. So that's that's one of those.
• 1:04:18
  I'm not going to say it's a red flag.
• 1:04:20
  At least it's only two states away, you know, and it's in your
• 1:04:25
  footprint. So probably gets a feel a little
• 1:04:27
  bit about the type of recruiting Virginia Tech can do and here's
• 1:04:32
  my biggie. You talked about having either
• 1:04:35
  Elite or above-average Talent. So, basically Brian saying five
• 1:04:39
  or four, H thumb 3. How does he?
• 1:04:44
  How does he coach not only Talent?
• 1:04:47
  And it's, and I know of Clemson's a little different.
• 1:04:50
  They do have some, I guess you could say scheme fit guys, and
• 1:04:55
  some more locker room guys than a place like, Alabama, Ohio
• 1:04:59
  State, but it's still a bunch of talent.
• 1:05:06
  It's still a top 10 talented team.
• 1:05:09
  And when you start taking guys away from that, and putting them
• 1:05:12
  in that where we are right now, we're sitting 40.
• 1:05:15
  Usually we set somewhere, Between about 22 and 30, right?
• 1:05:20
  How are you going to get 25 to play like 10?
• 1:05:24
  It's tough because when I say, call power 0 and they go 37
• 1:05:28
  yards for a touchdown, can't do that anymore because it's not
• 1:05:32
  all there. I like Tony.
• 1:05:35
  I think Tony has taken a hit this year with the way the
• 1:05:38
  offense is looked. And then I do some of that's
• 1:05:42
  fair and some of that's not but I mean, it kind of is what it
• 1:05:45
  is. You take it.
• 1:05:47
  Hit even, you know, whether it's dessert or not, you're the face
• 1:05:50
  of the offense so it kind of comes with the territory, right?
• 1:05:53
  It's true. You're the face and especially
• 1:05:56
  when the guy that, you know, he was calling with went to South
• 1:05:59
  Florida and now he's not doing girl.
• 1:06:04
  Great at all. But it's one of those things.
• 1:06:09
  I don't think Tony line Lanes anywhere this year.
• 1:06:11
  I think he's cooled off, but I think what will be interesting
• 1:06:14
  to see what happens is with him and Dabo Brannan, Street is a
• 1:06:19
  quarterback coach, right? Yep.
• 1:06:21
  If that's the issue does Dabo pull the trigger because Dabo
• 1:06:26
  has done that a few times. He's like, guys, go a couple.
• 1:06:30
  Guys have had good success in left.
• 1:06:33
  We're going. Talk about another guy pretty
• 1:06:34
  pretty soon here that he did that with.
• 1:06:37
  Yes, we are. All right, but Brian, who's our
• 1:06:39
  next candidate up? All right, so next up, we've got
• 1:06:44
  Dan landing, d.c. at Georgia. All right, so Dan Landing guys.
• 1:06:49
  His prose experience with winning programs.
• 1:06:53
  Always a big thing has a winning culture already instilled in him
• 1:06:58
  and you know, when we sit here and talk about well besides
• 1:07:01
  Georgia, you know, where else has he been?
• 1:07:05
  Well he was with Mike Norvell in Memphis because of potential
• 1:07:09
  Memphis connection, that was 16 and 17.
• 1:07:12
  When again over L came in there, kept the one day going he was
• 1:07:17
  also at Sam Houston State, a pretty good FCS power so you
• 1:07:23
  know it's like we win we win we win.
• 1:07:27
  Yep. Georgia since 2018 and his unit
• 1:07:33
  you know whether it be the outside line backing unit always
• 1:07:38
  good at Georgia or now the whole defense in general.
• 1:07:42
  They're an elite level. And I know they've got five star
• 1:07:46
  studs, all over the place. Other teams due to the what he's
• 1:07:52
  getting out of them. This year says a lot about him
• 1:07:57
  because they're dominating. Yeah to unprecedented levels in
• 1:08:02
  this era. Now, one more good thing about
• 1:08:05
  him Landing does has a purty good Mid-Atlantic footprint for
• 1:08:11
  his recruiting. So it's not like that culture
• 1:08:16
  shock of coming from the Midwest or the Upper Midwest.
• 1:08:19
  He's down at the Mid-Atlantic, similar to Tony, even though
• 1:08:22
  there's not a lot of DMV in there I still think that I think
• 1:08:28
  you would understand the cultures that are than guys
• 1:08:33
  coming out from the west or even the Midwest.
• 1:08:36
  All right Ron, what's the cons? So Collins I mean we've already
• 1:08:41
  said it for a lot of these guys with the big one is going to be
• 1:08:43
  the new head coach experience. We really don't know how he's
• 1:08:47
  going to handle a head coaching experience.
• 1:08:49
  Would he be a CEO type of guy that can work with the donors?
• 1:08:53
  All the stuff, the things that a coordinator don't have to deal
• 1:08:57
  with, you know? Will he be able to handle those
• 1:08:59
  types of roles and the other? The other big one here is that
• 1:09:03
  he's really only been on the coaching radar since he's been a
• 1:09:08
  coach. Be coaching elite players at
• 1:09:10
  Georgia. He wasn't a guy that was looking
• 1:09:14
  to make a big step up before that.
• 1:09:15
  Now he's at Georgia. He's coaching elite players and
• 1:09:18
  now all of a sudden he's getting some head coaching bugs so that
• 1:09:21
  may be a little bit of a red flag but overall Landing has a
• 1:09:25
  good good overall resume. I don't like him quite as much
• 1:09:29
  as Freeman in terms of just the other upside that he brings to
• 1:09:33
  the table. But I do think that he would be
• 1:09:37
  a pretty okay, fit. That ended up being the route,
• 1:09:40
  be went with. Yeah, I think you'd be an okay
• 1:09:43
  fit kind of get us back to, you know.
• 1:09:47
  The the Beamer Bud type mentality especially on the
• 1:09:51
  defensive side of the ball but I think he's a year away.
• 1:09:55
  Yeah, mean if you pull the trigger on him now maybe the
• 1:09:58
  biggest upside is you probably can get them a little bit on the
• 1:10:02
  cheap. But I think there's enough read
• 1:10:05
  their where you say he needs one more year.
• 1:10:07
  He needs a lot of these guys on this defense to go away which is
• 1:10:11
  going to happen this year with Georgia.
• 1:10:14
  How does he do it next year? Because I think if they dominate
• 1:10:17
  like they did this year, they lose people, their top 15
• 1:10:21
  defense next year, then he's going somewhere, interesting to
• 1:10:24
  see where. All right, Brian.
• 1:10:27
  We're going to stop right here because everyone else on this
• 1:10:31
  list is a head coach somewhere. Somewhere, but we wanted to
• 1:10:37
  bring up some names. Just so people can get this out
• 1:10:44
  of this is the boundary Corner podcast saying this.
• 1:10:47
  There's some people, these people, this is not, these are
• 1:10:51
  absolutely not happening. Let's start number one.
• 1:10:54
  Prime, shame, Beamer Shane, Beamer Shane.
• 1:10:57
  Beamer could have happened last year.
• 1:10:58
  It will not be happening this year.
• 1:11:00
  Go ahead and write it off. And there's, and there's several
• 1:11:03
  reasons that Shane's not happening.
• 1:11:06
  Right? Well, yeah, I mean, aside from
• 1:11:08
  every, every reason that was brought up last year, we paying
• 1:11:12
  at the dam by out to get Shane out of that contract in South
• 1:11:15
  Carolina, 17 and a half. That alone is why it's not
• 1:11:20
  happening. So number 2, Ed order on all of
• 1:11:23
  that is not happening. No, it's not happening.
• 1:11:28
  Tokyo's 61 years old. I love the guy's personality,
• 1:11:32
  but I do not want him as my head coach, after what I've been
• 1:11:34
  hearing about going on and LSU about his age.
• 1:11:38
  I think he's a damn fine coach overall, but I don't think that
• 1:11:45
  what he brings to the table. Is a good fit for Blacksburg
• 1:11:49
  right now, right now. Now now, well, I think Ocho is
• 1:11:53
  going to land somewhere head coaching.
• 1:11:56
  Probably not. But I think he's going to go out
• 1:11:59
  there and do the kids because kocho recruiting pitches and
• 1:12:03
  he's going to help some team out.
• 1:12:04
  If I'm Hill, whoever the USC candidate is, I'm immediately
• 1:12:10
  picking up cut. You want to be the asuc and my
• 1:12:13
  recruiting coordinator. Absolutely, absolutely.
• 1:12:16
  Number three. Yeah, we love them and he is an
• 1:12:20
  icon but he's not coming back y'all, but Foster is not coming
• 1:12:23
  out of retirement, Bud. Foster loves the lake and
• 1:12:28
  doesn't want to blow up his heart.
• 1:12:30
  So let Bud enjoy the lake, the enjoy, the boat enjoy, coming to
• 1:12:38
  games, where he doesn't get quite as worked up as he does on
• 1:12:41
  the sidelines and let him enjoy it.
• 1:12:46
  It's not happening. I mean it could have happened
• 1:12:49
  six years ago and I have been 110 percent fine with it it
• 1:12:54
  should have happened 10 years ago.
• 1:12:57
  Yes you could have happened 10 years ago, I'm with that and
• 1:13:01
  even if it didn't it should happen.
• 1:13:02
  Six years ago, I would have been perfectly fine with that higher.
• 1:13:06
  So unfortunately we're at a point where that, that that has
• 1:13:10
  passed and the last one guy's is Gary Patterson, because that
• 1:13:14
  would not work at all. Anyone Thinking it would is
• 1:13:19
  outside their damn mind. They're outside their mind.
• 1:13:22
  It's again age. Kocho and gay, Patterson, same
• 1:13:26
  age, 60, plus years old. You can't fire a head coach and
• 1:13:31
  then hire his mentor. He can't can't do that.
• 1:13:36
  Maybe that's why. I didn't get the job because
• 1:13:38
  essentially it's kind of what happened but now the Gary
• 1:13:41
  Patterson things just not happening, you see it out there
• 1:13:44
  you kind of chuckle but bra. On there is one guy that we did
• 1:13:50
  not put on this list and we would absolutely love to have
• 1:13:56
  this guy. Love it.
• 1:13:59
  Yep. Oz not that big track records.
• 1:14:02
  Great. But it's just not happening,
• 1:14:06
  it's not happening, and it's Luke fickle.
• 1:14:08
  And the reason it's likely not happening is because of the move
• 1:14:13
  of Cincy into the Big 12. And I think that move is
• 1:14:18
  essentially a green light for fickle to take as much time
• 1:14:22
  waiting on a blue blood program to come calling as it takes
• 1:14:27
  through whether that's this year or whether that's two to three
• 1:14:32
  years from now. Now, after he's LED since e, 22
• 1:14:35
  straight college football playoffs, but exactly, and
• 1:14:38
  whatever whatever it is. Yeah, I think fickle because of
• 1:14:43
  that move because of the new money that's going to be coming
• 1:14:45
  into that school because of that move because of their being
• 1:14:48
  bump, he's going to get because of that move.
• 1:14:51
  He doesn't need to go anywhere. Yep, he gets, he's gets to wait
• 1:14:55
  till he is ready. The fit is right 100% for him.
• 1:15:01
  And, you know, probably the Price is Right as well, if they,
• 1:15:04
  if the Big 12 can stay kind of the relevancy where it is right
• 1:15:08
  now and he starts running shop there every year.
• 1:15:11
  Why is he ever going to leave? I can make the playoffs every
• 1:15:15
  year, so why am I going to leave this?
• 1:15:17
  So, but that's that list. Now, let's start with the list
• 1:15:21
  of current sitting head, coaches, we feel potentially
• 1:15:25
  have a shot and we're going to start with wheel.
• 1:15:28
  Heat, will he lie down at UNC Charlotte?
• 1:15:33
  He's younger than us. I don't know if that's a be over
• 1:15:35
  on you know, say what you will but let's start this.
• 1:15:39
  Everything says, is that he can sell the hell out of a program.
• 1:15:43
  Everything you read, you hear people talk about them, the guy
• 1:15:45
  knows how to sell a program. He's obviously, UNCC.
• 1:15:50
  So he is clearly in Virginia Tech's recruiting footprint, so
• 1:15:54
  he probably has begin building relationships inside the state
• 1:15:57
  of Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia.
• 1:16:01
  I know South Carolina for a fact, had a family member go to
• 1:16:05
  one of his camps a couple summers ago.
• 1:16:08
  There you go. He did show recruiting prowess
• 1:16:11
  at the FCS level. So, obviously somewhat of a good
• 1:16:16
  salesman, the you of our grad thing, we put it on here as a
• 1:16:22
  pro because at least if you're a, you of our grad, you've been
• 1:16:25
  in the state and you sow know, the hierarchy, you know, the lay
• 1:16:29
  of the land, you know how the college high school ranks,
• 1:16:31
  operate to some degree. And you probably know the
• 1:16:34
  importance of Virginia Tech football to people.
• 1:16:37
  Yep. Go to you of are you probably
• 1:16:39
  dealing with? Body whose family is a hokey and
• 1:16:42
  lose their minds more than likely at least one coach on
• 1:16:44
  that staff, is either a former hokey or has ties to the program
• 1:16:51
  in some way. Yeah.
• 1:16:52
  And then, Brian you threw this on here because this wasn't on
• 1:16:56
  here the other day Club lit. A, he likes to have a fun locker
• 1:17:03
  room. Yeah, there are no silent
• 1:17:05
  dinners there. There's no quiet.
• 1:17:08
  Getting ready for a game. He lets the kids hang loose
• 1:17:11
  because I think a, he's a young enough guy because he's 34, I
• 1:17:16
  believe it's still in the back of his mind, probably his
• 1:17:20
  college days, and the looser, you are, the less you think
• 1:17:25
  about. So there the pros, Shout out
• 1:17:29
  club lit. You know who you are out there?
• 1:17:33
  Let's go with the cons. Brian, what are you saying?
• 1:17:36
  I mean, the biggest one, you never coached at a power five
• 1:17:39
  school at any level position anything.
• 1:17:45
  He below. 500 as a head coach. Now, I will throw out there that
• 1:17:51
  his first year at Austin Peay brings this metric down
• 1:17:55
  significantly. But overall is a head coach.
• 1:17:59
  He is, he is well below 500 so that's something that could be a
• 1:18:04
  red flag for a lot of folks. Even He's had some success at a
• 1:18:09
  place like UNC Charlotte, that hasn't seen a ton of it, so
• 1:18:14
  that's one thing to look at and really he was a we've got a
• 1:18:18
  limited sample size of him as a FPS head coach at this point.
• 1:18:23
  So we're not sure you know, is what he's been doing the early
• 1:18:27
  returns something that will Trend over a five-year span or
• 1:18:31
  is that something that, you know, the Fuente pump that we
• 1:18:34
  saw in, 18 and 17 that will Peter off.
• 1:18:39
  Yeah. And, you know, the UNC Charlotte
• 1:18:44
  is an upstart program, you know, it's one of those.
• 1:18:48
  You to FBS. So him getting that job was
• 1:18:52
  crazy in the first place and he said, middle and success.
• 1:18:55
  There he did go to a bowl game as first-year had a great
• 1:18:58
  turnaround at Austin Peay and what you here again about this
• 1:19:06
  guy is, if you want to get excitement going and getting
• 1:19:09
  people to pay, it seems like he is that type.
• 1:19:12
  He is a see, he's never coached a P5, not not a lot of
• 1:19:15
  positions. I know you mentioned his Have
• 1:19:18
  got it up here his Chattanooga when he was there for six years,
• 1:19:23
  it's just labeled assistant that even guys who coach it that
• 1:19:30
  level. Normally if you go look up
• 1:19:33
  something out there on them. It gives a little more detail
• 1:19:36
  but just an assistant there you know it did say does some
• 1:19:42
  quarterback coaching wide receiver coaching recruiting
• 1:19:45
  coordinator passing game coordinator.
• 1:19:47
  So it literally sounds like if they had a position to be
• 1:19:51
  filled, they just gave it to him.
• 1:19:54
  Which is, I don't know if that's good or bad.
• 1:19:57
  So, I mean, I could I could deal with Healy.
• 1:20:04
  I would worry about the staff, though, because he doesn't have
• 1:20:08
  that many connections. I think there would be money for
• 1:20:12
  the staff. I really do because I don't
• 1:20:15
  know. Yeah, I don't think he would
• 1:20:16
  want to five million dollars? No, no.
• 1:20:19
  He's more of a probably to meal or less would get it done for
• 1:20:24
  him that opens up some more for your assistant coach salary
• 1:20:31
  pool. It run up the numbers later as
• 1:20:33
  Reach For Excellence, reaches its peak and when you get some
• 1:20:36
  more room to have some flexibility there, so there's
• 1:20:39
  some options there. If you get Healy in as your head
• 1:20:42
  coach, especially if he's able to sell the program here, like
• 1:20:47
  he's been able to do elsewhere. But it's a lot of risk involved
• 1:20:53
  there. You don't know exactly what
• 1:20:54
  you're getting is, a head coach because of the limit sample size
• 1:20:57
  and you don't know how that success or at least middling
• 1:21:01
  success will translate to power 5.
• 1:21:05
  All right. Ian Brown, who you got next?
• 1:21:09
  Next up, this one's going to be fun to talk about.
• 1:21:12
  It's David, Claussen head coach Wake Forest.
• 1:21:17
  You know, we got some pros here that will talk about.
• 1:21:19
  We got some cons for the pros. It's a guy that's been really
• 1:21:25
  successful at every stop, even if he hasn't necessarily Blown
• 1:21:28
  Away In The Wind, the win-loss record, he's definitely been
• 1:21:31
  successful. And he is a Player Development
• 1:21:35
  Guru. If you if you want a guy that
• 1:21:37
  can take your three star and turn them into all-conference
• 1:21:41
  players, he's got the ability to do that.
• 1:21:45
  Got connections to Virginia recruiting from his time at
• 1:21:49
  Richmond. From his current time.
• 1:21:50
  At Wake Forest, he is a mi kyung, High floor, type higher
• 1:21:58
  u.s. trying now. you know, it's a guy that You know, you
• 1:22:11
  probably need the right guys around him too, but he's not,
• 1:22:14
  he's never going to be a guy that will go out there and get U
• 1:22:17
  sub 500 records in back-to-back Seasons.
• 1:22:21
  He may not get you to the promised land though unless a
• 1:22:23
  lot of things go as way. He understands complementary
• 1:22:27
  football, a lot of times when you see the one side of the
• 1:22:31
  ball, go down the other side. Can tries to pick it up.
• 1:22:35
  That didn't happen this past weekend, but And it's a guy with
• 1:22:42
  the right offense in the right, right?
• 1:22:45
  Flow of the game, can score bunch of points and get the
• 1:22:48
  right pieces in place there. But there are some cons to this
• 1:22:52
  higher Curtis what you got. Well the biggest con is high,
• 1:22:56
  he's never been at a high priority on.
• 1:22:59
  He's only been at 1/2 pry profile program in his long
• 1:23:04
  tenured coach in here and that was one years in OC at
• 1:23:06
  Tennessee. He never had any Vacations,
• 1:23:10
  there's no expectations at U of R.
• 1:23:13
  There was none in Bowling Green, there's none at Wake Forest.
• 1:23:16
  So immediately you walk in and you sit here at Wake Forest if
• 1:23:21
  they go seven and five for the next decade and make a bowl at
• 1:23:25
  programs happier and hell. They are the other, the other
• 1:23:31
  big things is as much success as he's had, we're winning and
• 1:23:36
  going to bowls. He's never really seen a
• 1:23:38
  recruiting on the currently. They're sitting 59th, I think
• 1:23:40
  maybe 49th and I looked at that wrong in 24/7.
• 1:23:44
  So usually you see a guy, get tenured and win some games.
• 1:23:49
  It's you're going to start picking off a four star here and
• 1:23:52
  there he hasn't. And is that just, you know, way
• 1:23:57
  cuz they is a smaller school, it's a private school.
• 1:24:00
  It's more difficult to get into. Could that be it?
• 1:24:03
  Or it could it be? He just doesn't know how to
• 1:24:05
  pitch anybody, that worries me. Now the last one here is he's
• 1:24:13
  never really used the portal. He redshirts everybody and at
• 1:24:18
  wait there's not Damon image and likeness situations to start
• 1:24:21
  dealing with that. I think can be dealt with find
• 1:24:24
  the right compliance officers, but the one of not a lot of
• 1:24:30
  portal. We are in an era where you have
• 1:24:34
  to use the world, you have to, because whoever comes in here
• 1:24:38
  next year, you're probably looking at portal quarterback.
• 1:24:43
  Probably some portal defensive lineman 22 portal quarterback.
• 1:24:49
  Okay, and this is, this is my thing.
• 1:24:59
  I think a Dave Clawson with what he does.
• 1:25:03
  I think if he went to a Florida and or LSU, he could potentially
• 1:25:08
  have better success. They recruit themselves and it's
• 1:25:11
  easy to just go get to Ace recruiters and say here, 750,000
• 1:25:16
  dollars, go recruit when we get close to closing time, I'll come
• 1:25:19
  in and have a conversation with you, by my side to close the
• 1:25:22
  deal on the kid. My deal with Claussen is that I
• 1:25:29
  just don't think he is the type of guy that can relate to
• 1:25:35
  Virginia talent that we need to bring in the foreign 5 Star kids
• 1:25:39
  in the state. I don't think that that's a good
• 1:25:42
  fit for him. I think that's where that's
• 1:25:45
  where that's where it's a deal breaker for me.
• 1:25:50
  I mean a lot of ways, he has less personality than Fuente
• 1:25:56
  times and I I get that he has more of a grasp on how to
• 1:26:02
  recruit the area than Fuente did, but if that's not turning
• 1:26:06
  into recruiting wins then it doesn't really matter that
• 1:26:10
  you've got a better grasp. So I just I just I don't think
• 1:26:14
  he's the he's not a very good juice candidate.
• 1:26:16
  He doesn't bring the juice and he's in his mid-50s.
• 1:26:20
  Yeah. So and it's not just because
• 1:26:22
  he's older, I don't whether he was old young and different.
• 1:26:26
  His personality is not, he's not a juice, the locker room, he's
• 1:26:29
  not He doesn't juice the program.
• 1:26:31
  Nobody's getting excited that we got Dave Clawson, except maybe a
• 1:26:35
  bunch of guys that are in their 60s that are like.
• 1:26:37
  All right, well, we're at least win seven games every year, we
• 1:26:42
  don't want that. Hey Brian.
• 1:26:46
  Let's talk about the next guy here.
• 1:26:51
  Jamie Chadwell head. Coach Coastal Carolina.
• 1:26:53
  What's our Pros on him? So, Jamie Chadwell for the pros.
• 1:27:02
  He's won everywhere. He's been He hasn't been a lot
• 1:27:06
  of places but he's won everywhere.
• 1:27:08
  He's seen success in a difficult G5 conference.
• 1:27:13
  So that's something to talk about there.
• 1:27:16
  He's got an offensive Focus, great offensive numbers.
• 1:27:19
  I think we need probably going to still need some good
• 1:27:22
  offensive numbers because I think we will be able to bring
• 1:27:24
  in a defensive guy. It'll be interesting to see how
• 1:27:28
  we, how we recruit for offense, especially the way our roster is
• 1:27:32
  built right now we're going to need somebody that can focus on
• 1:27:34
  that to get. That built back up.
• 1:27:36
  So that's a positive in my mind. He's got Regional recruiting
• 1:27:40
  ties. He's been recruiting the the
• 1:27:42
  Mid-Atlantic for a while now. And he was a near unanimous
• 1:27:48
  coach of the year in 2020. Pretty much every publication,
• 1:27:53
  that offers that type of award named Jamie Chadwell coach of
• 1:27:57
  the year. But Curtis, there's some Cons
• 1:28:01
  with this with this higher, which you got for me quite a few
• 1:28:04
  cons and what I'm going to add here at the end, we didn't talk
• 1:28:06
  about but having a conversation with somebody over the weekend
• 1:28:09
  and I'll give a shout out when we get there.
• 1:28:10
  First of all, similar to will Healey no power 5.
• 1:28:14
  Experience at all. None, he's been at North
• 1:28:18
  Greenville. Delta State, Charleston,
• 1:28:20
  Southern and college. Excuse me, Coastal Carolina, not
• 1:28:25
  College of Charleston. That would be hilarious.
• 1:28:30
  So none. Next limited, sample size is a
• 1:28:35
  head coach at G5 Coastal Carolina, just recently, flipped
• 1:28:39
  over. So, not a lot of experience
• 1:28:42
  there. A lot of experience elsewhere.
• 1:28:46
  His best season was the coach season, a very weird funky
• 1:28:49
  season. They only lost one game that
• 1:28:53
  year and if I can go back and recall, I think that was who
• 1:28:59
  they lose that game to give me a melona effort this up.
• 1:29:04
  The only game they lost was to Liberty in a bowl.
• 1:29:10
  So, you know, even that year, best living the best Liberty
• 1:29:14
  team ever, best little buddy team ever.
• 1:29:17
  Yes, we know all about that the other piece is because of
• 1:29:21
  similar to Healy, and I mentioned it before he, bringing
• 1:29:25
  the type of Staff, we need to win, can you bring in the light
• 1:29:28
  recruiters the right coordinators?
• 1:29:30
  Would not having that experience with a lot of connections, have
• 1:29:35
  bigger programs getting a sell them to come here.
• 1:29:39
  The other thing I'm going to put it as a again, as a con problem,
• 1:29:43
  with our boy delft over the weekend, It is kind of a
• 1:29:49
  gimmicky, he was trying to compare to Georgia Tech.
• 1:29:52
  It's not Georgia Tech because they throw the ball 20 plus
• 1:29:55
  times a game. But if you look at it, it is a
• 1:29:58
  gimmicky offense. It's essentially a shotgun
• 1:30:00
  triple option with with passing. Yep.
• 1:30:04
  And You know that worries me essentially if you don't have
• 1:30:13
  the right trigger man, can it run exactly?
• 1:30:17
  Now he's had a yet a really good trigger man.
• 1:30:19
  This year again, they still average more but the question
• 1:30:23
  would be once you get I think delft is making a point.
• 1:30:28
  Is once people get it on tape. Does it still work?
• 1:30:32
  Try to say what the Fuente offense that people sold it out?
• 1:30:35
  Know the one day off. Sense to me, it's still not
• 1:30:38
  completely figured out. Because even as bad as offensive
• 1:30:41
  coordinator, as cornelison is there are times like, you know,
• 1:30:45
  when we can get 400 yards of total offense, And his play
• 1:30:50
  calls are shit. So I mean if we hire Chadwell I
• 1:30:57
  would be said they're critical of the staff, more than anything
• 1:31:00
  sound similar to Healy. Okay.
• 1:31:04
  Yeah, the only thing I had actually give Healy potential
• 1:31:08
  not over Chadwell just because I could see Healy selling the
• 1:31:13
  program better than Chad. Well, even though I think
• 1:31:15
  Chadwell might be the better X's and O's guy, I see Chad, well,
• 1:31:19
  it's kind of went a 2.0 in a lot of ways so that that to me is,
• 1:31:28
  is kind of what I would stay away from.
• 1:31:32
  I feel like you might have the same Same type of outcome.
• 1:31:35
  If you go Chadwell that you had with one day you might see a
• 1:31:38
  bump initially but over time you'd see it kind of Peter out.
• 1:31:44
  All right, this is essentially now we're at our top three.
• 1:31:49
  And I think the next guy is probably solid to where the two
• 1:31:53
  top guys are 1A and 1B, but let's go.
• 1:31:58
  Let's go. Tom Herman, Tom Herman former
• 1:32:01
  Texas in Houston coach currently is a bear's offensive analyst
• 1:32:06
  after seeing what they did today against the Ravens.
• 1:32:09
  This might hurt his case, but we digress.
• 1:32:13
  What do you see in this Pros for Tommy Herman?
• 1:32:17
  The first one, I'll throw this out there.
• 1:32:19
  We wanted him six years ago and couldn't quite get it done.
• 1:32:25
  That's a big one. He is the best coach not named
• 1:32:28
  Mack Brown since 1986. I've been four other coaches.
• 1:32:33
  He's the only one to get them somewhat back into a level of
• 1:32:38
  relevancy. Since Mack Brown left, and Mack
• 1:32:42
  Brown kind of left in a inauspicious way there in terms
• 1:32:47
  of where the program was left. So, Did pretty good.
• 1:32:51
  All things considering especially the dumpster fire
• 1:32:54
  that he inherited from Charlie. So you know that's one thing to
• 1:33:01
  put it, put in his in his cap there he was 22 and 4 at
• 1:33:06
  Houston. Including a Peach Bowl victory.
• 1:33:10
  He won every Bowl. He played in while he was at
• 1:33:12
  Texas or he coached in a Texas, he was 70% win percentage as a
• 1:33:17
  head coach. And he was the offensive
• 1:33:21
  coordinator and quarterback coach for a national title team
• 1:33:24
  at Ohio State. Pretty good resume.
• 1:33:27
  Their big stops head coaching experience of the power 5 level.
• 1:33:33
  Just a lot of lot of boxes checked with, with Tom Herman
• 1:33:36
  here. And overall, I mean, we didn't
• 1:33:39
  have it listed here but good recruiting background as well.
• 1:33:44
  Yeah. Good recruiting background on
• 1:33:46
  the cons are kind of as follows though and I've got a few and
• 1:33:49
  I'm going to flip one more Pro on here.
• 1:33:51
  He did take a year off Collegiate football.
• 1:33:54
  He went to the NFL level, I think some people expected him
• 1:33:59
  to land somewhere at some school.
• 1:34:01
  Maybe it's savings or back at Ohio State, but he didn't, which
• 1:34:06
  was very telling to me really no major ties to recruiting in our
• 1:34:12
  region. I see that as a negative because
• 1:34:17
  he's got to start understanding the mindset because he is a
• 1:34:21
  state of Texas coach. Yeah, we got his background
• 1:34:25
  stuff from, but I think when you have a guy who's been at bigger
• 1:34:28
  programs, it's a lot easier. I think he would walk in and
• 1:34:32
  say, Here's my three Virginia, guys.
• 1:34:36
  Here's my three guys deeper down south.
• 1:34:37
  Here's my three guys from or up West.
• 1:34:40
  I'm going to listen to them. And what they tell me about how
• 1:34:44
  I need to approach each section of the country.
• 1:34:48
  I think it's why he's had success.
• 1:34:49
  Now my other piece Pro, This guy got fired after going seven and
• 1:34:54
  three last year. His three losses was an overtime
• 1:34:59
  loss to the Sooners, in the shootout, hip and then two
• 1:35:04
  losses by Less Than 3 points. And they fired him.
• 1:35:10
  Clearly he irritated some big booster down there after the
• 1:35:13
  bulb, my opinion, but I like Herman.
• 1:35:20
  Um, I think Herman could put a good staff together.
• 1:35:23
  I think guys would work for Herman because they know again.
• 1:35:26
  70% winning, you went 70 percent clip, you know, roughly every
• 1:35:31
  three or four years. That's that's ten wins a year,
• 1:35:34
  dip. And I felt like the, the really
• 1:35:37
  only - that I think moves the needle for me is that he is a
• 1:35:40
  Texas region guy. How will he adjust to that in
• 1:35:44
  the Mid-Atlantic? Will he make that adjustment?
• 1:35:46
  And I think he can but that's really the only I think red flag
• 1:35:50
  for me that really matters because that's the one that's
• 1:35:55
  going to be the most important to kind of flip in the other
• 1:35:59
  direction. All right, Brian.
• 1:36:02
  So we got to the top of the mountain and we have a one a and
• 1:36:05
  one B. We're going to start with the
• 1:36:06
  one be on. Let's talk about the head coach
• 1:36:11
  down at louisiana-lafayette Billy Napier.
• 1:36:15
  Yep, a lot of Pros here. Obviously we got to experience
• 1:36:19
  as a head coach solid program that he's put together down at
• 1:36:23
  Lafayette. Kind of built that back up real
• 1:36:26
  quick. When and some big-time games
• 1:36:30
  big-time program experience since he's been coaching.
• 1:36:32
  So he's had some stops, a big, big programs.
• 1:36:36
  Obviously, we talked about it. We're talking about Alabama as
• 1:36:40
  being the big one there and Speaking of Alabama, he is a
• 1:36:45
  disciple of the Saban model if you did not read the athletic
• 1:36:49
  article on that. It's wild like literally 280 and
• 1:36:55
  pretty great. Every aspect of the saving model
• 1:36:57
  gets put into place at Lafayette.
• 1:37:01
  He runs that program like a power five program and he
• 1:37:06
  recruits the state well despite just being a G5 program.
• 1:37:09
  So that's a big thing that they're pulling in a couple you
• 1:37:12
  know French Our star players for Star players, they're doing,
• 1:37:16
  they're doing some things down there, that most G5 programs
• 1:37:19
  don't do. Any took over, you know, solid
• 1:37:24
  Raging Raging Cajun program and made you know, that Team Elite.
• 1:37:29
  They're really running the the good old Sun Belt now so and he
• 1:37:35
  has a great recruiting profile including is one painful.
• 1:37:40
  One for every hokey thing because the Taj Taj Boyd's on
• 1:37:44
  there. Yeah, the downfall.
• 1:37:46
  Yeah. So he was at Clemson back in the
• 1:37:51
  late 2000s and recruited Tajh, Boyd.
• 1:37:58
  And as some other big time names from when he was at Alabama,
• 1:38:03
  including Jerry Judy and a couple other guys.
• 1:38:05
  So yeah, he's got a who's who of recruiting so recruiting would
• 1:38:11
  take a big bump if we were able to make Make that that, that
• 1:38:15
  pull work. But what are some of those cons
• 1:38:17
  there, buddy? Well, it's a symbol to the point
• 1:38:20
  a situation six years ago, it's another G5 darling, he's doing
• 1:38:24
  great things at the G5 level. He's you know, he's double digit
• 1:38:30
  wins for second season down in Louisiana Lafayette.
• 1:38:35
  Reports that he's been offered and he's passed on other jobs on
• 1:38:39
  the Auburn and South Carolina jobs are kind of the first two
• 1:38:42
  that kind of open your eyes. There's more money there.
• 1:38:45
  There's definitely definitely, you know, especially Auburn lots
• 1:38:52
  easier to recruit down there much easier to recruit and it
• 1:38:55
  all over. So, it's why didn't he take
• 1:39:00
  those jobs is something he's truly trying to find that
• 1:39:03
  perfect fit. And could we be it?
• 1:39:06
  And he really has no establish DMV test.
• 1:39:09
  He got Boyd back 10 years ago but there's, there's not a lot
• 1:39:13
  here. He was born in Cookeville,
• 1:39:15
  Tennessee. He grew up in the northern part
• 1:39:17
  of Georgia. He's only about five hours from
• 1:39:19
  Blacksburg from where he grew up.
• 1:39:21
  So it's one of those things. He's not extremely, did not grow
• 1:39:27
  up extremely far from Blacksburg, but definitely a
• 1:39:31
  ways and the G5 darling thing we put on there.
• 1:39:39
  It is, it happens, every time. It happened to Herman and
• 1:39:42
  happened to Fuente, and they'll be more but to what Brian said,
• 1:39:47
  in the pros category Napier was at Clemson. 06 07 08 09.
• 1:39:54
  He got let go, I believe in 10. I think I had his stuff up here.
• 1:39:58
  Dabo let him go. And that's one of those things
• 1:40:02
  to where he was not dabo's guy. He was originally told me about
• 1:40:08
  this guy. He was there through 10 so we
• 1:40:11
  got fired at the end of 10th when he brought on Chad Morris.
• 1:40:15
  But he had that stop five years of the program like Clemson even
• 1:40:19
  in the mid-2000s, when they were not the best team, then Florida
• 1:40:23
  State were still, the closest SEC type programs in the ACC.
• 1:40:28
  So, is there five years? Tight ends running game
• 1:40:31
  coordinator 0c n QB, coach. He went to Alabama's an analyst,
• 1:40:36
  he's been an associate head coach of Colorado, State under
• 1:40:39
  mcilwain. And then he went to Alabama 13
• 1:40:42
  14 15 16 and you Alabama recruits itself but you still
• 1:40:46
  have to go in there and do the work and it's impressive from
• 1:40:51
  there. He did one student in 2017 is an
• 1:40:55
  OC and then he's been at louisiana-lafayette since then.
• 1:41:02
  I think he gets the bigger picture and I think having that
• 1:41:06
  much time at those big programs That's the biggest difference.
• 1:41:10
  People are going to come and say it to us Brown.
• 1:41:12
  Well we went to is with Patterson at TCU, what was TCU
• 1:41:16
  during the time, he was there. What type of program?
• 1:41:21
  Do you have? They might have been in a lychee
• 1:41:23
  path but it was a G5 program. DC was kind of what, you know,
• 1:41:30
  not quite what since he is baby. What U CF was a few years back.
• 1:41:34
  Yeah, but it's still it's different.
• 1:41:37
  It's who you're across the field from every week is different.
• 1:41:41
  Even with they pierced in an Arizona stayed out in the
• 1:41:44
  Pac-12. It's different across the field.
• 1:41:47
  It's more Talent. Then coaching at ECU and the
• 1:41:52
  early part of the 2010s. That's my big thing with him.
• 1:41:57
  Yeah. And like I said, the, the thing
• 1:42:00
  that where he runs that program, like a power 5 is the thing that
• 1:42:04
  really impresses me. And I think that's that carries
• 1:42:07
  over immediately, because he's not having to really change a
• 1:42:11
  whole lot of his day-to-day operations.
• 1:42:13
  He's selling the program. Like a power five program.
• 1:42:15
  He is fundamentally setting up, practice and lifting and
• 1:42:20
  Workouts of all that stuff. Like it's a power five program.
• 1:42:24
  He's planning out his month day and week like it's a powerful
• 1:42:28
  program, he's ready to take that step.
• 1:42:32
  So the question is are we going to make it make an offer for him
• 1:42:36
  to do that? And is he going to accept that
• 1:42:39
  offer? Because more than likely he's
• 1:42:41
  going to have at least some of those other programs at our
• 1:42:46
  level calling if not the LSU's and Florida's.
• 1:42:50
  It's very, very true. Alright, well, let's flip over.
• 1:42:54
  Let's get our one egg and Brian, let's go back and forth with the
• 1:42:58
  pros in the column. Because this is our guy.
• 1:43:01
  We actually again we have been sitting at the table and this is
• 1:43:05
  our guy. He might not be everybody's one
• 1:43:06
  but he's our one. Yep Charles Huff.
• 1:43:10
  It is the Marshal head coach and Brian let's kind of expunged
• 1:43:16
  upon his prose and then we'll talk about the cons.
• 1:43:21
  He grew up in the DMV. Yep, Marilyn Guy, Maryland guy.
• 1:43:27
  So he grew up in it. Yeah, you have a feeling that he
• 1:43:34
  understands. Finally Maryland probably
• 1:43:37
  understands Virginia, he grew up in it.
• 1:43:41
  Yeah not only grew up in it but went to college at Hampton in
• 1:43:44
  the 757 actually. While he was there blocked for
• 1:43:49
  the same running back that I blocked for in high school
• 1:43:52
  Alonzo. Coleman shout-out, Halifax
• 1:43:55
  County Hall of Famer Alonzo Coleman in the Charles Charles
• 1:44:00
  up with us. As helpful as a center for
• 1:44:04
  Hampton, when he was there in the early 2000s.
• 1:44:08
  Oh, some of the better Hamptons squads as well.
• 1:44:10
  I know Alonzo broke some records while he was running back there.
• 1:44:14
  So so Huff was put Paving the way for Alonzo to break records
• 1:44:18
  to hand-painted in the mid-2000s.
• 1:44:21
  So from the 757 went to Hampton, I don't think they would be even
• 1:44:27
  even coming from the DMV going down in there.
• 1:44:29
  I got a feeling he understands the culture down. 275 and The
• 1:44:33
  Importance of Being a of that area to recruiting.
• 1:44:39
  Absolutely. So this is a biggie and I don't
• 1:44:43
  give a damn where he was at. He is always crushed Virginia
• 1:44:48
  recruiting And everywhere else, but he's really done a damn good
• 1:44:52
  job in Virginia especially this time at Penn State.
• 1:44:56
  And I know people are going to say, well, he was at Penn State.
• 1:44:59
  It's once again, he had the program.
• 1:45:03
  He still had to sell it. He likely understands everything
• 1:45:10
  in high school. I'm like, Justin Fuente, Brian.
• 1:45:14
  I got a feeling he could walk into your buddy down at Oscar
• 1:45:17
  Smith, I bet he already knows him.
• 1:45:19
  Yeah, I bet. So I bet he knows Lauren
• 1:45:23
  Johnson, I bet he knows some of the better coaches in Northern.
• 1:45:26
  It would not be a, I need to learn what these people do and
• 1:45:31
  who they are. It would be so, it's Charles.
• 1:45:34
  Yeah. It's, uh, he knows it.
• 1:45:36
  He already knows the lay of the land.
• 1:45:38
  He's a guy that they were probably familiar with from Penn
• 1:45:42
  State. He's recruited some from, for
• 1:45:44
  Alabama, when he was down there, he's obviously that's part of
• 1:45:47
  his footprint Marshall. Now, They got the guy can just
• 1:45:52
  flat-out recruit. I mean, you know, we can run
• 1:45:56
  down the list of the guys, he signed from Virginia, while he
• 1:45:58
  was at Penn State, but it speaks for itself.
• 1:46:03
  I mean assigned to of the best running backs that one of the
• 1:46:09
  better running backs that Virginia has had in a while.
• 1:46:12
  And then he also signed say, Quan Berkeley while it was
• 1:46:15
  there. So Berkeley in Micah, right.
• 1:46:19
  Mike Parsons, yep. And Ricky Slade, really know
• 1:46:24
  that. Didn't, that didn't work out the
• 1:46:26
  way anybody wanted it to but kind of didn't.
• 1:46:29
  All right. Well, let's talk about this next
• 1:46:31
  Brian. Let's just kind of get away from
• 1:46:32
  recruiting and essentially so one reason, he's 18 grew up in
• 1:46:36
  the area, went to college in the area has recruited the area has
• 1:46:40
  recruited Virginia big He's been an assistant head coach for,
• 1:46:45
  Nick Saban amongst others who have been assistant coaches.
• 1:46:49
  I'll give you two names. Mario crystal ball and Kirby
• 1:46:52
  Smart. We're in a hc4 Saban, you go far
• 1:46:57
  if you're younger coach, it matters it does.
• 1:47:02
  And in a lot of people say, well, that's just a title of
• 1:47:06
  just means he's second in command.
• 1:47:09
  Yes, Nick Saban has tapped you to be his second in command when
• 1:47:13
  he's got to go over here on a recruiting trip but there still
• 1:47:17
  needs to be practiced that day or next.
• 1:47:19
  Got to do this, for some reason, you're in charge for the day,
• 1:47:24
  that's a lot. Especially saving Nate exactly
• 1:47:29
  completely screwed on up in the head.
• 1:47:34
  Yeah, that's a big one for me and, you know, the other one
• 1:47:39
  he's been at big-time program since 2014, we already talked
• 1:47:42
  about the facades of Penn State and Alabama.
• 1:47:45
  You definitely glean some of the You know, tips of the trade,
• 1:47:50
  some of the what it takes to win at those power five stars by
• 1:47:53
  having those type of stops. And, you know, we're seeing are
• 1:47:58
  already at Marshall with some of the way he's interacting on
• 1:48:01
  social media, some of the, the public events we've seen, he's a
• 1:48:05
  CEO type coach, he can sell a program, he can sell recruiting
• 1:48:10
  to the players, he knows how to make his program, shine out in
• 1:48:15
  the best way possible. It's very, very true, man.
• 1:48:19
  I mean you see imposed he basically tweets every week who
• 1:48:22
  his players of the week or win or lose?
• 1:48:25
  I know I saw a picture of him. He was at some local
• 1:48:27
  establishment in Huntington, maybe where he has breakfast or
• 1:48:29
  lunch constantly taking a picture with the owner.
• 1:48:33
  And you see that and understand you just feel like he would be
• 1:48:38
  that engagement guy. I feel like it's funny as if I
• 1:48:42
  don't know if he drinks or not. Do you feel like the first week?
• 1:48:46
  He's there. Like he would somehow make it to
• 1:48:48
  tots and like take a picture with the owner having a rail.
• 1:48:52
  He definitely have a rail at tots and I mean he's like he
• 1:48:58
  just seems like the type of coach that players, like, to
• 1:49:01
  play for Community can be proud. Proud of, and donors would be
• 1:49:06
  willing to invest in. And I mean, that's, that's the
• 1:49:08
  three big things that you really want from your head coach now
• 1:49:13
  before, and we're talking off the feet, obviously wins and
• 1:49:16
  losses matter. But in terms of off the field,
• 1:49:19
  appeal to the players appealed, the community appeal to the
• 1:49:23
  donors. Yep.
• 1:49:24
  All right, there are some cons and the first one is the lack of
• 1:49:29
  head coach experience. She's only been a head coach one
• 1:49:31
  year. Yep.
• 1:49:33
  They went seven and for their bowl eligible.
• 1:49:36
  They got one more game. It'll be a tough one, but they
• 1:49:40
  probably shouldn't. They're probably favored in that
• 1:49:42
  game. I haven't looked at the line
• 1:49:43
  yet, but they're probably going to be favored in that game.
• 1:49:46
  They are going to be favored in that game so you can be 8 and 4
• 1:49:52
  as a head coach in his first year.
• 1:49:56
  And that's not a bad program, but they did.
• 1:49:57
  I mean, when you completely flip your coaching staff, I think,
• 1:50:02
  especially as good as doc, was there.
• 1:50:05
  That's, that's where I am. Like, when I see, it's a lack of
• 1:50:12
  that sucks. They let go, they just didn't
• 1:50:14
  re-sign Doc. Holliday, he had a damn good
• 1:50:17
  season last year. You imagine walking in and
• 1:50:21
  saying go match that he has, he has now obviously the other one,
• 1:50:28
  no P5, head coaching experience there.
• 1:50:31
  I think everybody on this list with the exception of Tom
• 1:50:33
  Herman, Has no P5 coaching experience.
• 1:50:38
  Yep, not head coaching experience.
• 1:50:40
  And it's and that's going to be, that's going to be hard.
• 1:50:41
  Just because our program is not at a point right now, where we
• 1:50:45
  can. I mean, I sorry, Tom Herman and
• 1:50:50
  Dave Clawson will be the other one.
• 1:50:52
  Well, yeah, so those would be the two.
• 1:50:56
  Yeah, most people do. That's that's the problem.
• 1:51:02
  But I think that's the problem with our program right now is
• 1:51:05
  that we're kind of in that middling area where we can hire.
• 1:51:11
  The up-and-coming P5 coaches that are making some noise.
• 1:51:15
  We're not quite at that level. Those guys are going to the Blue
• 1:51:17
  Bloods. They already had success in the
• 1:51:20
  power 5 level they're getting looks at.
• 1:51:22
  You know now we got LSU open USC, open Florida.
• 1:51:25
  Open you got Washington open. Now the upside is that we're
• 1:51:35
  likely not in a bunch of competition for whoever gets
• 1:51:37
  hired at Washington. We're not in We're in a little
• 1:51:42
  competition with TCU little. Yeah.
• 1:51:47
  Florida and LSU are probably going to be targeting whoever
• 1:51:52
  our top one or two candidates are they are also targeting them
• 1:51:55
  there at least on their list. They may not be at the top of
• 1:51:58
  their list but they are on their own these Woods.
• 1:51:59
  Absolutely. Alright last piece is he has
• 1:52:03
  really no 0 C or D c-- coaching experience.
• 1:52:06
  He did do some special teams coordinator and Run game
• 1:52:09
  coordinating. Back to his CEO Mantra in.
• 1:52:14
  Somebody said, is that could that be good or bad?
• 1:52:17
  Well, what type of Coach are you looking for?
• 1:52:21
  I think with his connections to Big programs and the waves
• 1:52:25
  traveled and is regional ties, you would have getting getting a
• 1:52:29
  staff that can handle the o.c. and DC duties and not
• 1:52:32
  necessarily needing a ton of daily day-to-day impact from
• 1:52:36
  your head coach. On those areas is probably not a
• 1:52:39
  big deal. Yeah.
• 1:52:41
  So there it is. That is our list.
• 1:52:45
  A lot of candidates, you know, I think something's out by I think
• 1:52:52
  next week, we're talking her UVA game rap and we're talking about
• 1:52:55
  the next head coach, I really do.
• 1:52:57
  I think it's going to come out, whoever it is regardless of
• 1:53:00
  their situation comes out next week because I think whoever it
• 1:53:03
  is, especially if it's one of these guys already coaching
• 1:53:05
  somewhere and if they're in the championship game.
• 1:53:08
  There is going to be it's going to be that split.
• 1:53:11
  Do you see so many teams have at this time of year?
• 1:53:17
  We're not going to discuss pickles tonight, guys.
• 1:53:19
  Wanna hit that Thursday because we've been almost at it for two
• 1:53:22
  hours and it's late and we got the money around on a game up
• 1:53:26
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• 1:53:28
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• 1:53:31
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