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Ep. 23 : Glasnow To LA, More Bowman Superfractor Misadventures · Cards & Categories

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  Hello, and welcome to episode number twenty three, our MJ episode. Here
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  at cards and categories. I am Mike Coolard from ras Ball, joined us
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  always by my very good friend Jeremie Brewer from also from Asball. Jeremy,
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  how are you doing on this fine evening? Doing very well? This is
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  I think our holiday episode. We're coming up to the holiday episode, if
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  we can call it that, also the MJ episode, especially for you Chicago
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  native. I don't know what it is for central Illinois. He's still the
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  MJA episode, but excited to be here. So I feel like it's been
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  a slow week of baseball news relative to what we had last week and week
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  and a half. Still plenty going on, so it's it's slow, and
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  I think the market's kind of waiting for a certain Yamamoto to make a decision
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  to release the rest of the market. But still some exciting stuff going on.
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  Dodgers and Braves still feel like they're having fun. Everybody else is just
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  just watching. So yeah, absolutely, and it's been I think a good
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  week of just mid level transactions as teams kind of fill in little spots on
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  rosters and really round out guys that I think are still going to be fantasy
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  relevant, maybe more so in some deeper like fifteen teen leagues, and maybe
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  even some in all only guys we're going to discuss here today, But those
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  are my favorite because that actually it's fun to analyze those guys as opposed to
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  some of these first rounders we've been discussing the past few weeks, between Juan
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  Soto and Shohei Otani and the likes of those guys that sometimes it's hard to
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  find something new and refreshing to say about those guys. Yeah, top five
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  or top four, tough call. I don't know what we're gonna do here.
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  We're we talked today. I think we got some guys to say should
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  you own them? Na? While? So why there's a number of guys
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  today that I think. So we're gonna start. What's the first transaction you
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  will pick up? Yeah, I think we'll just start with the biggest one
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  right off the top. So that's the move of Tyler glassnow from the Rays
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  to the Dodgers in a four player deal that also included Manny Margo going from
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  the race of the Dodgers and the Rays picking up Ryan Pepio and Johnny de
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  Luca in the return back from the Dodgers. So this will slot Tyler glasnow
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  into probably the number one spot in the Dodgers' rotation. I think, as
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  long as he's healthy, that's always been like his big thing. And the
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  Dodgers also extended him with this deal with a four year, one hundred and
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  ten million dollar extension. He was moved by the Rays obviously because he's getting
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  a little too expensive in the classic Tampa Bay Way. So Glass noow was
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  on the block, and I think this was a really fantastic landing spot for
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  him as he to another smart organization that should be able to limit his innings,
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  find the best usage pattern for him, I think, and really maximize
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  him. I guess the question always is with Tyler Glass, now, what
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  does maximum look like? How many innings do you think we could be getting
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  out of glassnow next year? And what do you think of his trajectory now
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  they's landed in Tintltown. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. The question
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  is how much you're gonna get, not what are you going to get?
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  I don't think there's any question about the skill level with Glass now. If
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  he was a two hundred inning picture, we'd be talking about him and Spencer
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  Strider Garrett Cole at the top like that's I don't think there's any question about
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  that. But you're hoping for one hundred with Tyler Glass. Now you're hoping
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  for a half a season at best, and for that you're getting a top
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  of the rotation starter when you have that, So if you're baking that,
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  then you should be happy. If he thinks it more than you know,
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  twenty starts is probably fantastic for Tyler Glass. Now you're right, I think
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  this the landing spot is fantastic. Gives him a great opportunity for wins in
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  those ones he does does get a chance to start. The one thing you
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  have to remember, you said the health. He has started more than fourteen
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  games in his career one time, so it's and that was this was just
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  this last year. So love Tyler Glass now tons of skill. Definitely got
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  the risk for a number one starter. So that's gonna scare off a number
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  of people, myself likely included just for the what you have to pay to
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  get him at the draft table. Yeah, and I think with those one
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  hundred and twenty evenings they put in last year, over those twenty one starts,
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  they were really high quality. Obviously, he came with a twelve point
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  one K nine, three point fifty three ER and ten wins in those twenty
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  one starts, so you couldn't have asked for more. The thing was is
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  that he started on your il for the season with an oblique issue. So
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  it's kind of a classic Tyler glassnow season as you're not sure what muscle or
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  joint is going to give on out on you that I think, I mean,
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  he's going to be a little bit in like the De Gram territory for
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  me going into this year's drafts that I did take a shot on de Gram
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  in leagues early, but Glass noow has never really cost that and I think
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  he's good if you know how to build pitching staffs and you're in a league
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  that allows you to do that, because you're not going to find better rate
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  stats than that K nine and the era is maybe a little bit high,
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  But you're also looking at a whip just over one. It was a one
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  o eight whip. No one can touch Glass now he's rained in his control.
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  But what's that costing you at the draft table this year? Brew,
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  Yeah, I think that's that's the big question. And last Night right now
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  is just looking at drafts here in uh in just December. He is the
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  thirteenth pitcher off the board, number ten starting pitcher UH with behind a few
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  relievers there. And that's a pretty steep price to pay for Glasnow, so's
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  we got to do our usual game to see who you would take. But
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  before I go there, top ten pitcher, Tyler Glasnow, how do you
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  feel about that? Is the has to be drafted at as the ace of
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  your staff, no one you might not get more than twenty starts out of
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  them. Well, I mean, I did just compare to Jacob to Gram
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  and I think I'm okay with that risk level. If it's it's got to
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  be the right league, and I got to know my league mates a little
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  bit, because if it is a really really sharp league that's not going to
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  let you build out the middle part of your staff, you're you know,
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  you're two and three starters, then I probably don't play that high risk.
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  But if it is a league where you know that you can find volume and
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  quality at the two and three starter spots, and especially if you're in like
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  an auction auction situation and you can fill it out with whatever players do you
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  want with your dollars. That's when I am looking at Glass now, because
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  hey, yeah, it might be twenty starts, but you might find the
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  one season that he does push it to one hundred and fifty innings, and
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  that's gonna really swing leagues if he's coming at that tenth overall pick price,
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  because you're gonna be getting somebody who's probably gonna end up in the top three
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  or four pitchers you know between right behind, like Stryder and Cole. So
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  it is gonna be dependent, it is. And so I mean you're talking
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  a fourth round pick. So let me throw some names that you hear that
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  are going higher than Glass. Now, I'll see see where you land there.
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  So we got George Kirby. Would you rather have Kirby or Glass?
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  Noow, so I would rather have Kirby. Is that Gallen Gallin? Yes?
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  All right, we're going the other way because I think that that's the
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  more the interesting discussion. So going behind Glass nowt here Pablo Lopez, So
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  okay, but there it's probably a coin foot that is probably actually where I
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  do go Glass now, so I might be right on the line with the
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  ADP. Yeah, you got Aaron Nolan's trieg Schoogle a little bit behind him
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  as well as well. I think so the Freddy Peralta's Blake Snells, Max
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  Freed x Freedom nex Friede type location. So yeah, I think it really
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  comes down to your risk of appetite for injury is really what it comes down
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  to. Uh, if you're willing to take that gamble and you think you
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  can build the staff, you're absolutely right. He's he's worth it. And
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  the move to La especially in a five by five league, certainly has to
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  help because you know, from Winds perspective, you're gonna be havy. Not
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  that it wasn't good great in Tampa, but with the juggernaut that the Dodgers
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  seem to be building, Uh, there there's something to be said for the
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  Winds will get. So let's talk about the the other side of the trade
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  here. What do you think about the Rays return? I like Pepio that
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  I think Pepio He's going to slot really well into the Rays system. That
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  I think there's a lot of similarities between the Dodgers and the Rays. So
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  that's part of it. And I was really starting to get into Pepyo last
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  year on the Dodgers that the k raid is a little bit lower, but
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  he's got really fantastic control and an era that began with a two a two
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  to one four era last year over forty two innings in eight starts for the
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  Dodgers, No three starts eight games, so he was in a bit of
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  a swing band role and he's already twenty five. But I think any other
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  place he'd be like a number three ish starter on a staff, and that's
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  probably about where he's going to be running into like the same sort of buzzsaw
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  with the Rays, because I think he's in the battle for like the fourth
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  and fifth starter spot with Shane Boz and TODJ. Bradley there, so it's
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  gonna be a really nice landing spot. Don't love the division that he's pitching
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  in, but if there's any team that's gonna find any extra level out of
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  Ryan Pepio, it's gonna be the Rais. And I love taking shots on
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  raised players like this. Again, though, I think the draft ADP is
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  starting to get a little rich on Pepio already, because I think he was
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  starting to turn into a bit of like one of these wide awake sleepers where
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  lots of people saw his great work with the Dodgers last year. Part of
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  it is it came with a ninety nine point two left on base percentage that
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  I've never seen anything like that when I've looked at stats. That is outrageous,
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  and that means anybody that's getting on base was getting retired. So that
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  two one four era came with a FIP that hovered around the fours. It
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  was four to eight. So he's going to be a little less steady next
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  year, and just finding a new environment might take a little adjusting to.
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  So I guess what is the adp on Pepio? What are we looking at
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  in terms of guys going around him? Yeah, so Pepio's going about two
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  oh four off the draft board, eighty third pitcher off the board. So
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  you're talking about guys like Brandon Fatt, Lucas Giolito, Aaron Savali, Nathan
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  Yvaldi, Edward Rodriguez, Nick Pavetta, rext and Garrett Hunter Brown. So
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  it's it's kind of right in that kind of a risky range. It feels
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  about right to me where he's sitting. I think the problem you have with
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  Pepio is you're not quite sure what starts to look at and what to kind
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  of project. In the majors, he seemed to have fantastic control low k
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  rates, and the miners his control was a little bit all over the place.
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  He had high k rates And to your point, his his Babeiop was
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  incredibly low, his left on based incredibly high. So all those luck metrics
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  were greatly favoring them. So I think there's just a really large range of
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  outcomes. But to your point, going to Tampa seems to be a wonder
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  for a number of pictures, just like it used to be going to Houston
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  would do wonders for pictures. So, you know, I started to get
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  in that range, and I personally I love Hunter Brown, I love Valdi,
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  and I'm probably taking guys Shane Baz and that I'm probably taking them.
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  But once you start talking about the you know, Brian Bellows Leacas, do
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  you Lado's, Aaron Savali's Pepio's definitely pretty attractive for me at that point in
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  the draft. There's you know, a lot worse you can do with those
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  guys. Yeah, And I think one of the guys that you mentioned that
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  he reminds me a lot of is Aaron Savali that I think they're probably in
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  like a similar spot for me. So yeah, I when you mentioned that
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  group of pictures, Pepio is kind of in the mix. There were some
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  that liked better, some that I didn't like as much. So there might
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  be a couple of spots where I end up popping Pepio that he's going to
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  be a solid rotation guy. That again, it's a little bit of like
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  how he built the rest of the staff. If I'm looking for somebody who's
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  going to give me more innings in that sort of area, Savali was probably
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  like the way to go, or even an ed Rod an e Rod.
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  If you do have a chance to take a little bit more of a dart
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  throw, then that's where you can take one on Pepio or Brex and Garrett's
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  in there. See if Brex and Grett Garrett can you know, repeat what
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  he did last year. So I think it's a fair price, and I
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  think it's going to be a nice guy who's going to have a little more
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  ceiling there too, because he's still even though he is going to be in
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  his age twenty six season, he doesn't have a lot of mileage on that
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  arm. He's never pitched more than I guess I have to do some manual
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  math adding this up. It looks like maybe one hundred and twenty five innings
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  in a season, as he has battled some injuries. But it's also just
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  the way the game works nowadays. Yeah, absolutely, so interesting trade.
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  I'm you know, I guess we should be surprised. It seems like the
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  Dodgers went right out figured out how to use that with Tammy savings. I
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  don't know if you can we call that savings some hundred million dollar contract.
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  The savings that's shopping at the Dollar Tree for pictures. So very interesting trade
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  to get us underway. Yeah, what about go next? I was actually
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  going to go to the two outfielders that were involved, because I think they're
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  intriguing. You have Manny Marco moving to the Dodgers, who should slot very
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  naturally into a weak side platoon with Jason Hayward there, and I think that's
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  a great move for the Dodgers as like a baseball overall baseball move. It's
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  gonna be a spot where they juice like three to four war out of it
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  out of nowhere and create just a just an all star player like between the
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  two matchups that they're going to play there. And then you have Johnny Dluca
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  going to Tampa who is currently slotted probably for an out fourth outfielder job.
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  But you know the Rays and the way they love to mix the match and
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  I think this is another guy who is going to find his way into lineups
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  at some point for the Rays that you know how the Rays work, there's
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  going to be guys who enter the lineup for stretches and get hot, you
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  know, you think about Luke Rayley last year is a lot of like this.
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  Luca is obviously right handed, but it's just the way that the Rays
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  work. So I'm actually kind of interested in Margo in leagues like you know
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  only or if you have daily moves leagues where you can play that platoon matchup.
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  It would be a really cheap option in a daily league to have a
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  Margo and Hayward platoon in one of your out field spots. And then de
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  Luca, I think is a perfect Ale only candidate in terms of he's got
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  a lot of good metrics and just couldn't find a place to play for the
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  Dodgers because they're loaded. But the Rays have the chance to really let them
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  loose down there in Tampa. What do you think about either of them?
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  Yeah, I mean, I don't think from the Lamargo perspective, I don't
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  think he has strong enough splits for me to really invest. I mean,
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  he he is going to be a little bit stronger against the lefties, but
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  for his power generally goes against the righties. So it's it's kind of one
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  of those the type of hitter changes. He becomes kind of more slap hit
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  against the lefties, higher average, do a little bit more on base damage,
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  whereas this power seems to be against so riety. So he I think
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  he is a challenge there, but the lineup is definitely going to play up
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  for him, and you got to think that he's gonna get a chance to
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  use a little bit of a speed there as well. But for the most
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  part, even probably from a platoon platoon perspective, Margo is probably not the
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  guy. And it's been a lot on that said. De Luca is he's
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  just such that intriguing player that you know, he never really got like a
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  full season, and he were in the minors, he was always moving around,
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  moving different levels. He didn't really you know, the twenty four games
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  the majors he had, he didn't really show a whole lot, you know,
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  he he was just aver just okay. But what I really like for
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  speed, he doesn't strike out a lot, you know, he walks just
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  enough. Like it seems like a relatively safe file. The kind of guys,
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  they are very volatile with these type of guys, Like it feels like
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  sometimes like I just want this guy to play. I just want to get
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  in a light up. It's like, well, five days day rest,
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  three days day rest, two days, three days off. Like sometimes Tampa
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  likes to tinker so much. So in the daily League, I like to
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  do Luca a little bit more until he gets established. If he comes out
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  hot, then yeah, I think he's got a spot in that team for
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  uh for for a while. So of the two, the Lucas probably the
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  one that I would be taking some dart throws in very very late in the
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  draft, and I haven't looked to see where he's going, but my hunch
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  is he's pretty much free. Yeah, I And it's going to be a
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  little bit of you've got to wait for the trade to work its way through
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  the ADP that some of those drafts that started recently probably haven't even gone deep
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  enough to start considering de Lucas, so it'll be interesting to see where he
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  starts settling in the spring. But part of it too is that, like
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  I said, he's not currently slated for a job, and he's going to
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  be I think more so a guy that pops up and in the mid season
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  on the waiver wires and if he gets an opportunity, Yeah, yeah,
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  you're definitely, like if you're in spring training, you're seeing that, like
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  waiting for pick of the last of the draft. You think he might have
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  a chance, You grab him, you drop him, like he is one
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  of those it's just when he gets an opportunity, he's worth picking up.
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  Without waiting to see what he does, I think is the way to look
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  at Luca. So yeah, but I did look at the ADP for d
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  Luca seven to ten. Uh. Okay, he's free at this point,
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  you can say that again. All right, Let's move on to the team
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  that's been the hottest over the last week or so and honestly probably one of
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  the more intriguing teams of the offseasons far. That is, the Kansas City
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  Royals are out there signing players and I laud them for it. I think
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  it's a division that is theirs for the taking, and honestly, it's something
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  that the Socks could do that just won't, and it's the Twins are catchable.
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  The Twins are not some unstoppable force and they seem to be clawing back
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  payroll that I'm pumped that the Royals see that they they have sal Prez for
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  a couple more years. They've got a young superstar and Bobby Witt, and
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  they want to try to make a little bit of a run for it.
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  So they went out and signed Michael Waka, who's coming off of a brilliant
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  twenty twenty three season with the Padres. He made twenty four starts, pitched
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  one hundred and thirty four innings, but went fourteen and four on the season
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  with a three twenty two ear, array in eight three K nine and a
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  whip of one one six. I'm sure there are plenty of leagues that Michael
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  Waka won for guys, because he was free, free, free at the
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  draft table last year. As you know, fourteen wins materialized out of nothing
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  and he was hoovered off of waiver weires very early in the season. When
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  that when that win streak happened second straight season that he's really outperformed as Whip.
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  So I think there is something to Waka in this performance now that he's
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  put up back to back seasons with Boston and San Diego. Here putting up
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  two hundred and sixty one innings of a three twenty seven ERA with a four
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  point h one FIP and it came with an eighty percent left on base percentage.
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  But it is because he has just been stingy when dudes are on base
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  and he goes into this kind of shut down closer mentality and grinds his way
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  through these at bats. That he's got a great veteran presence. He's turned
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  into a really solid pitcher, as you can tell. I think I'm excited
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  with this landing spot here in Kansas City. They signed him to a two
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  year deal in which the second year is a player option, so he has
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  the chance to really pitch himself into another great position. So Brew, would
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  you think about Michael Waka landing in Kansas City and what is cost is at
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  the draft table right now? Yeah? I think you know, Waka is
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  one of those guys that if you if you if you expect what he is,
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  you're going to be pretty happy the Kansas City landing spot. I think
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  we had this conversation just last week that Kansas City Park factors is not as
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  pleasant as as you may think. It is a little bit more hitter spark
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  over the last few years. But at the same point, I think he's
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  gonna even like San Diego, you were always certain if he had kind of
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  a role. He seemed like they was kind of bouncing around a little bit.
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  He was always that kind of four fifth guys you're gonna get, you
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  know, guys healthy, what are you going to rely on? So I
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  like Waka to a degree of for what he is. He's definitely because of
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  the rate and stats, he's not the guy that you want to rely on
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  for the strikeouts. He's going to be more of a seven or eight caperny
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  guy. He's gonna be good from a control perspective, which should translate wealth
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  into to a reasonable whip. He's not going to be in the one ones
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  or one os. He's gonna probably be more of a one two type of
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  guy. And he has been, i'd say to a degree lucky the last
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  few years. So I expect a level of regression, but it seems like
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  that is general baked into his uh ADP. So Michael wa ADP is two
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  seventy two. He's gonna the one hundred and sixth picture off the board at
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  this point. So that's very reasonable. If you're talking auctions, you're talking
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  a dollar guy at the end, and I think that's about right for Michael
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  Walka as a guy that you can put at the back of the rotation.
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  You're not you know you're gonna get some good innings. You know that he's
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  not gonna blow up on you, and that's generally what you're looking for from
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  a depth picture and play some good matchups and you should be happy. So
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  uh, like I said, two seventy two, ADP, I'm going to
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  read you. So first of all, where do you do you think that
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  feels right? One hundred and six picture off the board. Well, that
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  mixes in some relievers, I guess too, but it does yep, I
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  think maybe a tick low. Like I think if I had to like rank
• 23:53
  my pictures, he'd probably be like just inside the top sixty ish, you
• 23:59
  know, just because because of what he's done the past couple of years.
• 24:00
  That part of it, too is like, I really like him as a
• 24:04
  guy. Where if you're in leagues where guys are just or your league mates
• 24:11
  are just punching in numbers into the auction calculator using the straight steamer projections,
• 24:18
  he's going to look really bad because he's projected for in the array in the
• 24:22
  mid forest based on the performance metrics. But I don't have any reason to
• 24:27
  see why he can't be relatively in the range of where he's been the past
• 24:32
  couple of years because San Diego was a predecent pictures park, but Boston is
• 24:37
  brutal. Boston's the second best offensive park in the league. So he survived
• 24:42
  that, and it shows me that there is some sort of magic he's found.
• 24:47
  It is obviously a factor of staying healthy for him. But because of
• 24:52
  those factors, like, I think I'll be a little bit higher on him
• 24:56
  than most people. Yeah, and I think you probably gonna be litle higher
• 24:59
  than I am. And so I'm gonna I'm gonna put you this test again
• 25:02
  here, so we're gonna go up the rankings. Uh, Michael Waka or
• 25:04
  Taj Bradley. I will take Bradley in that situation. Yeah, Michael Waka
• 25:11
  or Sheahan Waka to my ada. That's a tough one. I do like
• 25:19
  my aida a lot. I will go with my ata still. Yep,
• 25:25
  all right, I'm gonna really put you to the test here. You see
• 25:27
  Kakuciucci, Yeah, I know you Lovenuci Yeah. And then there must just
• 25:33
  be like a tier of pictures above that I just there is. There's let
• 25:40
  me read you some names here. So in that range you have Bradley Shehan,
• 25:44
  Mayata, Ries Olsen, you have read Detmer's, Charlie Morton, Andrew
• 25:48
  Abbott, Nicko Lodolo, Tristan McKenzie, you Darvish. Then you get to
• 25:53
  the bell and you start to getting the Pepio type perspective. So there is
• 25:56
  this like group of pictures. And if you look at that from Mackenzie all
• 26:02
  the way to Waka, there's roughly i'm gonna say, thirteen pitchers in a
• 26:08
  thirty pick spot, Like there's this really really tight group. But once you
• 26:14
  get past Waka, John Means, Seth Lugo, Kyle Harrison, Marcus Stroman
• 26:21
  Cutter, Crawford, Start, Lance Lane starts to drop off. So he
• 26:26
  like it feels like he's right at the end of a tier. From an
• 26:30
  adp perspective right now, or maybe the beginning of the last tier, if
• 26:36
  you may. Yeah, it sounds mostly like that's the cluster where people are
• 26:38
  getting fourth and fifth starters and rounding out rotations. So there's risk. You're
• 26:45
  trying to decide you're gonna take a little risk, little upside, or you
• 26:47
  can get something safe and Walka's on the safe side. Yeah, I think
• 26:51
  so, even though the innings you maybe unite might not be able to pencil
• 26:53
  in a lot. But what I like about Waka is he's pitching or he's
• 26:57
  hurt, So like if he's hurt, you put on the il and you
• 27:00
  pick up whatever flavor of the week is out there and just kind of cycle
• 27:04
  from there. So it's great to build upon, all right. The other
• 27:08
  transaction the Royals made was signing Hunter Renfro And actually I forgot to mention because
• 27:15
  we brought this up a couple of weeks ago that you were dismayed about the
• 27:18
  price of like third and fourth starters on the market. Walker signed for two
• 27:22
  years thirty two million, that like, honestly, Lancelynn and Kyle Gibson might
• 27:29
  end up being bargains for the Cardinals when it's all said and done. I
• 27:33
  started to think, So, like I had this, you know, feeling
• 27:36
  a little bit when those signs happening. They got Colling pretty good backlash form,
• 27:40
  but like, it's hard to sign guys to one year deals anymore because
• 27:45
  and give you that flexibility in the future. Because the Cardinals spent a little
• 27:48
  over twenty million on two guys that are going to get them a lot of
• 27:52
  innings, and there's upside with both of them two a degree, not like
• 27:56
  crazy upside, but there's upside of them. But that seems about the going
• 28:02
  rate or a little above what that is. So I think that that kind
• 28:07
  of mid level starting pitching tier has got a lot more expensive this year.
• 28:14
  Yeah, I totally agree. And it's just like an innings thing too.
• 28:18
  Nobody can round out innings anymore, so it's a lot of that. Okay.
• 28:22
  The other signing I was getting into for the Royals was Hunter Renfro signing
• 28:26
  there for a one year deal, and he should be in the battle for
• 28:30
  a corner infield spot there. He's coming off of a rough season playing for
• 28:33
  the Angels and Reds in which he hit two thirty three two ninety seven,
• 28:37
  four sixteen two ninety seven and two thirty three really killed you in five by
• 28:42
  five leagues with average and opp That came with twenty homers in sixty runs,
• 28:48
  sixty rbi on the nose over one hundred and forty games. So it was
• 28:52
  a pretty tough season for Hunter Renfro after coming off of two pretty solid seasons
• 28:56
  for the price that you were paying for him. Over the past three years,
• 29:00
  he's slashed two forty nine three h nine, four seventy and he's averaged
• 29:06
  just over twenty five homers a year with around seventy seventy runs and seventy five
• 29:12
  rbi. So do you think he can get back to that level brew of
• 29:17
  being like a two fifty hitter with twenty five homers in Kansas City Or is
• 29:22
  this is a guy that you need to see more out of before you jump
• 29:27
  back on the Hunter Renfro ship. Yeah, I think it's it's it's a
• 29:33
  guy I need to see a little bit more out of. And it's not
• 29:36
  necessarily against hunch of Renfros, against the profile. It's finding guys that can
• 29:41
  hit two forty and hit twenty home runs. Is not that hard. Like
• 29:48
  he doesn't he doesn't run, he doesn't do anything else. For you.
• 29:51
  So the runs are kind of low. You know, that Kansas City lineup
• 29:55
  isn't gonna be the greatest for run score, even though that is roughly hit
• 29:57
  at the ballpark. And so I think think he's one of those guys that,
• 30:00
  yeah, I wouldn't be shocked to see him get back to the twenty
• 30:03
  twenty one twenty twenty two Hunter Renfro. But that's just a two to sixty
• 30:08
  hitter with thirty home runs. Like it's uh, there's a lot of guys
• 30:14
  that seemed to be able to do that these days. And when you're at
• 30:17
  the end of the draft just trying to find a guy that's the kind of
• 30:19
  guy you're back into, you're not cominding the guy that hits for a high
• 30:22
  average and steals bases. At the end of the draft, you're not cominding
• 30:26
  the guy that's gonna score a lot of runs to the top of the lineup.
• 30:29
  So I don't know where he lands. I didn't look at to see,
• 30:32
  you know, Ruster resource where he's projected that Kansas City lineup, but
• 30:34
  five, six, seven somewhere in there, and you know he's he's gonna
• 30:40
  score sixty five runs. So he's a negative in your runs, negative in
• 30:45
  your batting average, negative in your steals, and average at your homers and
• 30:48
  RBI's. It's it's gonna be a tough sell for Renfro, which is unfortunate
• 30:53
  because I feel like for a few years he was kind of hidding Gym because
• 30:56
  he was able to like his I feel the league caught up to his production
• 31:02
  and he's definitely dropped off. So I like it as a by low for
• 31:04
  the Royals. I think it's something that you from a fancy perspective, you
• 31:08
  definitely keep an eye out. Well, I wouldn't be investing much of a
• 31:12
  draft pick in Hunter Renfro. Yep, I think you nailed it, like
• 31:17
  perfectly. That's exactly all my thoughts on Hunter Renfro that. I mean,
• 31:21
  if he does come out of the gate and he starts pacing for like thirty
• 31:23
  plus homers and the power is back a little bit, then yeah, I'll
• 31:27
  buy in. But he's best I think left for the waiver wire and then
• 31:33
  you can come back to him after the draft, And I mean that's where
• 31:36
  his ADP is right now. He's outside the top he's outside the top one
• 31:38
  hundred outfielders, so he's just really not in that in the conversations at this
• 31:45
  point, you're you're talking guys that are battling for, you know, the
• 31:49
  the last outfield spot on the team, or you're looking like Dylan Cruz or
• 31:55
  somebody like that. It's like, hopefully they can make make a team.
• 31:59
  So personally, I love Mitch Haniger in that position, but that's a whole
• 32:02
  different discussion for a different day. Yeah, And there was another corner outfielder
• 32:09
  that went off the board this week, and that was Lordus Gouriel Junior re
• 32:14
  signing with the Diamondbacks. He's returning to Arizona coming off a season in which
• 32:19
  he set a career high with twenty four homers batted to sixty one with sixty
• 32:23
  five runs, eighty two ribs, and five stolen bases. He's resigned there
• 32:30
  for a three year, forty two million dollar deals, so right in the
• 32:34
  range of Hunter Renfro, just more years because he's a little bit younger,
• 32:37
  and I think this is probably one of the better spots that Guriel could go
• 32:42
  back to. He's comfortable with Arizona and he's a guy that I do like
• 32:46
  is an option for, you know, one of the last outfielders a dollar
• 32:51
  pick at the end because that line that I read off was a pretty solid
• 32:54
  line. And sure the stolen bases were a little bit light, but outfields
• 33:00
  become a pretty shallow position. And so getting somebody like this at the end
• 33:04
  of the drafts who you know, he put up one hundred and forty five
• 33:07
  games for you, five hundred and eighty two played appearances. You can hope
• 33:12
  that the batting average bounces back because that two sixty one was a career low
• 33:15
  for him. He's a career two seventy nine batting average guy. Obviously a
• 33:21
  lot of that work came in Toronto, but you would think that he should
• 33:24
  be able to find something in the two seventies going forward. So Brew you
• 33:30
  can tell that I'm I'm pretty high on Guriel that like, I like him
• 33:34
  as just kind of a solid mid twenties bat with a decent average, just
• 33:38
  to round out your outfield. But what do you think, Yeah, I
• 33:43
  think you're you're You're pretty much right on there. Gurilla had a really interesting
• 33:46
  year last year. If you look at his splits from the first half of
• 33:51
  the second half, they were almost identical, maybe a little bit better in
• 33:55
  the first half, but he definitely had some more games, but he had
• 33:59
  a June and July he hit ob would say roughly like one to seventy for
• 34:04
  two months. And the fact that he kept kept the role and then actually
• 34:07
  turned it into a contract. On the other side is is to be something.
• 34:12
  But if you exclude those those months and I'm back in the napkating this,
• 34:16
  he's he was roughly like a two eighty five, two ninety hitter with
• 34:21
  mid teens to upper teens power, with you know, high single digit steals.
• 34:27
  Like to your point, like the kind of the last outfielder. Uh,
• 34:31
  that's a actually very good line if he can maintain that the whole season.
• 34:37
  So I think you know, Guriel, He's always has had a lot
• 34:39
  of talent. It's just the inconsistency that you can have with him is really,
• 34:44
  I think been the drawback that you have with Guriel. So I I
• 34:49
  do like him as that kind of last outfielder trying to fill that spot.
• 34:52
  And I think that he's to your point, he's gotten more comfortable in Arizona
• 34:59
  than than he he was previously playing out in Toronto. So I like I
• 35:06
  like gury Yell, I'm not he's not would call him a sleeper by any
• 35:08
  means, I feel like he's probably well valued. So from a a perspective
• 35:15
  of ADP, you know, Guryel's going, yeah, number two, thirty
• 35:21
  six off the board overall, and that's gonna be roughly top fifty outfielder,
• 35:30
  so right in that number four or five range as an outfielder. So that
• 35:36
  feels about right. You're you're arguing about Guryell versus Whip Merrifield, Starling Marte,
• 35:44
  Jared Kellenick, Taylor Ward, like all guys that have a little bit
• 35:49
  something that you are hoping for more so it feels about right for me.
• 35:52
  Yeah, and that is I noticed that about him being streaky because I had
• 35:58
  him in a couple of spots this past year and he's streaky, but he's
• 36:01
  also like a set it and forget it that by that it's all by the
• 36:06
  time it's all said and done in your season, Like he puts up pretty
• 36:09
  much what he just did last year for the d BAX. It's just that
• 36:13
  some of the troughs are really low and the the peaks are really high,
• 36:16
  and you got it just weather at all. It's the beast with protistory baseball.
• 36:22
  Yeah, and I think that. I do think some people are gonna
• 36:23
  look at his line of last few years and see his twenty twenty two season
• 36:27
  with Toronto or over one hundred and twenty one games, he had five homers,
• 36:30
  and they're gonna go, uh, what is that? And he had
• 36:35
  terrible luck that year. His home run for fly ball ratio was like a
• 36:38
  third of his career career average, And every other year it's been it's been,
• 36:43
  you know, kind of where it was last year. So you might
• 36:45
  get a little bit of a discount if people are looking back to say,
• 36:49
  okay was last year real he had a few really rough months. I think
• 36:52
  that they're, like I said, there there's some some value to be had
• 36:57
  there as I think it's your fourth outfielder. Yeah, definitely, and right
• 37:02
  back into the range. I guess I should have grouped these better, but
• 37:06
  right back into the range of your mid tier, third, fourth starter.
• 37:10
  We're going with Jack claerty signing with the Detroit Tigers this past week on a
• 37:15
  one year, fourteen million dollar deal where he should get a crack at the
• 37:22
  rotation. I'm not sure how long he'll stick in it, coming off of
• 37:24
  a really rough season in Saint Louis, and Baltimore, in which he had
• 37:29
  a four to nine RA, which is kind of low considered where it was
• 37:36
  most of the season is hovering much higher than that, and a whip that
• 37:39
  absolutely destroyed you with a one fifty eight whip. He had eight wins and
• 37:45
  that all came in one hundred and forty four innings with a nine point two
• 37:49
  K nine. That Clarity is one of these guys where like, I like
• 37:52
  using K nine just because it's usually a pretty simple metric and when you're evaluating
• 37:58
  good pictures, it works. But one of the drawbacks is if you have
• 38:02
  a pitcher who walks a lot of dudes like Flarity, who walked four point
• 38:07
  one per nine last year, that it's better to evaluate K percentage with somebody
• 38:14
  like Jack Flarity. And that's where it looks awful at twenty two point eight,
• 38:16
  I guess, not awful, but it brings it certainly back below average
• 38:21
  when that nine to two K nine looks much nicer, you know, And
• 38:24
  so you can already tell I'm down on Jack Flarity. Maybe some of it's
• 38:30
  my bitterness from being a cards fan and just seeing where this all bound up,
• 38:35
  and also seeing the value of my Jack Flaherty card collection absolutely tank on
• 38:40
  me. That he's found a decent spot in Detroit, great division, great
• 38:45
  home park, But I'm just not totally sold on the skills here for Flarity,
• 38:51
  that he's lost a lot of velocity on his fastball, which was his
• 38:54
  bread and butter that everything else worked off of it. And if you can't
• 38:59
  get dudes to respect that fastball, they're never going to bite on the slider.
• 39:02
  And so I think that's what he's been running into a lot in his
• 39:07
  pitching repertoire. Although now that they look at like his fastball average like it
• 39:14
  hasn't dipped, but it just waivers a lot throughout the season and throughout starts
• 39:17
  that it feels so unsteady all the time. Brew, are you in the
• 39:22
  same boat? Are you still a believer in Jack Flarity? I think I'm
• 39:25
  mostly in the same boat. And I think the issue with Flaherty is,
• 39:29
  like I don't think the talent has disappeared with Jack Flaherty, it's the consistency,
• 39:35
  Like he he's the guy. I remember We're watching a few starts last
• 39:38
  year where he would walk five guys, strike out five guys, and give
• 39:44
  up one run and be like and then the next start it would be the
• 39:49
  same thing, but he go up to seven. Right. It's he really
• 39:52
  struggled with that consistency and being able, and it's been a number of years
• 39:58
  that he's he just hasn't been healthy enough to get enough innings, uh to
• 40:01
  to really make something of his pitch arsenal. Like from a pitch arsenal perspective,
• 40:08
  I'm gonna gonna have some fun with it. Here comps for his Lossya
• 40:14
  movement on out on Baseball Savant. You've got Johann Oviedo, so not nothing
• 40:21
  too exciting. Nate Pearson definitely some potential, Tuki Tissant nothing this Max Sure's
• 40:25
  your guy. I heard he's pretty good. Mitch Keller like his pitch arsenal
• 40:31
  is actually pretty decent. He really has just struggled to maintain and be consistent.
• 40:39
  And that's I think what the problem was with Clarity is that he's been
• 40:44
  so inconsistent. He struggled so much with his his control that I think that
• 40:49
  the control piece is what's is really hurt his confidence because he was a guy
• 40:53
  that was i'd say a three walk per nine guy for years, for years
• 40:58
  consistently and he's basically been a four or five K por nine guy for the
• 41:04
  last you know, two years, and he's just he can't get out of
• 41:07
  that. You can't Houdini your way out of having that many guys on base.
• 41:10
  And then he's not going deep inte to games. So I think the
• 41:14
  skills are still there. He's just got so much gosh star and rust on
• 41:17
  him that he hasn't that he can't get out of his own way. He's
• 41:22
  the kind of guy that if I heard he went to drive line over the
• 41:25
  over the winter, I would be really really interested in Jack Flaherty. But
• 41:30
  I've got to see that control improve. But if it does, I think
• 41:35
  Flarity could be a little bit of hidden gym. I think he everything else
• 41:38
  about that profile still is very very exciting. If he doesn't have the guys
• 41:44
  on base, he's not walking him, He's going to be a pretty pretty
• 41:47
  valuable pitcher for basically the cost of nothing. So I'm a little higher than
• 41:53
  you on Flarity. I'm not drafting almost' be very clear here, I'm not.
• 41:55
  I'm not picking him up in drafts. But if he's going through bring
• 42:00
  training and he's not walking guys, I'm looking at him a little bit closer.
• 42:04
  Okay, Yeah, I think that makes sense. Okay, Then we've
• 42:07
  got a signing that broke. I guess it was last night, but broke
• 42:12
  a lot more so this morning. And that is as we're recording here on
• 42:15
  December twentieth. That is Andrew McCutcheon re signing with the Pirates and returning on
• 42:21
  a one year, five million dollar deal. His season ended a little bit
• 42:25
  prematurely when he succumbed to a torn achilles, Like every thirty six year old
• 42:30
  is kind of what I want to do. He's going to be thirty seven
• 42:34
  going into next year. But he was a really sneaky good fantasy player this
• 42:38
  year that I remember looking through all sorts of rankings throughout the year while he
• 42:44
  was playing, and he was consistently up there in outfield ranking because he in
• 42:50
  one hundred and twelve games, so it's about three fourths of the season.
• 42:52
  He got in four hundred and seventy at bats, mostly dhing, but he
• 42:58
  popped twelve homers for you and stole eleven bases, picked up fifty five runs
• 43:02
  and hit two fifty six, so he wasn't really a detriment on any of
• 43:07
  those and he put up forty three RBI, so he was able to hang.
• 43:10
  But wow, to get that out of like your fourth and fifth spot
• 43:15
  and your outfield, Like we were just saying, it's been a really shallow,
• 43:19
  shallow position as lots of teams have started to put platoons out there,
• 43:23
  so finding full time at bats and outfield spots for fantasy has become really difficult.
• 43:29
  Over the past couple of years, Cutch really came through with the double
• 43:32
  digit stolen bases and double digit homers that I think this is another guy in
• 43:38
  the spring you maybe want to see how he's doing with that Achilles, because
• 43:43
  if there's another possibility that he can go through the season and give you double
• 43:46
  digit homers in double digit stolen bases, I think he's a really fantastic bench
• 43:52
  piece that can sub in when you've got an outfielder, especially in weekly leagues
• 43:57
  that you know maybe only has five games or is slumping or is banged up.
• 44:01
  That touch provides a lot of good depth to be able to help you
• 44:07
  just keep pace in runs RBI average and then maybe be a plus for you
• 44:14
  in homers and stolen bases. Brew What do you think and did I alert
• 44:19
  you to the dead cat bounce that that cuch had last year kind of out
• 44:22
  of nowhere. Yeah, to a degree. Did I'm looking actually his stat
• 44:27
  cast profile a little bit here going he was better than I thought he Yeah,
• 44:31
  I mean he was sneaky value. And I was just looking at ADP.
• 44:37
  It's like seven hundred something like that. Yeah, touch, like he's
• 44:39
  he's not getting drafted anywhere. Is you know, baked into the age things
• 44:43
  like that. But you know, he he's just developed as a hitter.
• 44:49
  He's become a smarter hitter. He's he's so much more patient. He's one
• 44:52
  of the best of the league at walk getting on base. So from even
• 44:55
  a OBP perspective like that, he's actually even more valuable to that. So
• 45:00
  I think you're right, Like he's the he's the guy that you want as
• 45:04
  a bench piece you are at the end of the draft. You need a
• 45:08
  sixth outfielder to air, and he's basically free. He's a guy that you
• 45:13
  can be very happy plugging in because he's not likely to bring a lot of
• 45:16
  ophers for you and he's just gonna give you a few slightly above replacement level
• 45:22
  or at replacement level games. So I I had zero desire like when I
• 45:29
  when we were talking about it, I even look at him like I asked
• 45:30
  the queshion he's he's he's washed up, he's old, he's you know,
• 45:34
  not doing much anymore. He's younger than I am, but uh I think
• 45:40
  not I'm much here. Uh No, he's older than you by like just
• 45:45
  nearly a month. Oh look at that. Now I gotta go try out
• 45:50
  for the Pirates now, I see. Sorry, but this POD's gonna be
• 45:53
  put on hold for a years. Uh. I'm glad to see that though,
• 45:58
  too, because he's just like the one of the last dudes that's older
• 46:00
  than us that's in the league. He's like one in three or four.
• 46:02
  Right. Yeah, I just know I'm going to plow my achilles next year.
• 46:07
  So yeah, I know, I'm just kind of flabbergasses as I look
• 46:12
  at this lie that you're talking about. Uh, he's just a lot more
• 46:15
  solid than I think. And you compare him to the guy like Renfro that
• 46:17
  we were just talking about. Yeah, I'd much rather have him a cutch
• 46:21
  and I know, just because of that floor and it seems like there's a
• 46:23
  little stability that you can gain from him. So I'm a lot more intrigued
• 46:28
  again. I'm not gonna be drafting him targeting him, but he's at the
• 46:31
  end of the draft. I'm sitting here trying to fill something out. I'm
• 46:34
  not quite sure that he like has his upside of liking I might just grab
• 46:39
  a sher of mc cutch and especially in the deeper league, to just have
• 46:43
  around. Yeah. I know, he had three seventy eight opp last year.
• 46:47
  That's it's nuts, scribble. It came with a yeah, I have
• 46:51
  fifteen point nine percent walk rate that like. Yeah, he's he's turned into
• 46:54
  a great DH And you wonder if maybe he actually can string together there are
• 47:00
  a couple more years here, and if he does, he's gonna push himself
• 47:04
  into a Hall of Fame conversation, especially if he can kind of like get
• 47:07
  the Pirates back into the playoffs one more time. Yeah, and even from
• 47:13
  a speed perspective, I mean he's still and you know, top quarter of
• 47:19
  the league from speed perspective, number one by an age perspective, LEB be
• 47:23
  very clear here. He's definitely got that for all the thirty six thirty seven
• 47:30
  year olds out there, But overall he's still he's still he can still move,
• 47:35
  so uh, you know that I wouldn't be surprised that Eleven Stone basse
• 47:37
  Yah last year. I he coul add a little bit too that it's not
• 47:40
  all the question. The question is is he faster or slower than Jake Berger.
• 47:49
  I've I will never wag in on Jake Burger's speed ever again. Jake
• 47:52
  Burger is sneak, sneaky fast, little speed demon. Okay, well,
• 47:59
  I think it's the name. I think it's just I mean, he's not
• 48:01
  doing too much like in terms of like what he is presenting to you physically
• 48:07
  as well, so he wouldn't expected from a corner guy like that with two
• 48:13
  Achilles injuries of his own. So maybe the Achilles like healing process will maybe
• 48:20
  even make touch faster. Who knows. Maybe I feel like Jake Burger would
• 48:23
  fit well in this pod uh kind of kind of guy you want to bring
• 48:28
  on. It just feels like the body type of profile, what is that
• 48:31
  which would fit well? Yeah, I think he's a good dude. I've
• 48:36
  I've kind of been around him for like some close on fieldish conversations and he
• 48:40
  seems like a good dude. Miss Youve Jake. Okay, let's move on
• 48:46
  to the southeast. Of the country as the Braves are up to more Shenanigan's
• 48:53
  here. Uh, just to see again if check in on you see if
• 48:59
  you've any theories on what Alexanthopoulos is putting together with the Braves in a really
• 49:07
  bill bewildering, bewildering off season. Here that he opened it up by trading
• 49:13
  five dudes Varreon Bummer Obviously there were like five dudes he was about to cut
• 49:16
  at the non tender deadline to move on a little cash there. Then ended
• 49:22
  up training for Jared Kellnick and also picking up Marco Gonzalez and Evan White,
• 49:28
  and the deal then traded away Marco Gonzalez and Evan White, traded for David
• 49:35
  Fletcher and Max Stassy. That's where Evan White ended up with the Angels,
• 49:38
  then traded Max Stassy and cut David Fletcher. Now this past week, Anthopolos
• 49:45
  has traded for Mat Carpenter from the Padres to acquire his salary to get the
• 49:50
  lefty Ray Kerr, and then cut Matt Carpenter. So it's a very strange
• 49:57
  route of kind of going and getting these dudes with extra service time, I
• 50:01
  think is what he's trying to build out some depth in Atlanta. But why
• 50:07
  isn't he just buying free agents with this money? Like I don't quite get
• 50:12
  this, because like the money that they've been shuffling around, like you could
• 50:16
  have bought like Josh Schader at this point, or like a back end starter
• 50:22
  or another outfielder or you know what I mean, Like he's got these collections
• 50:27
  of pieces where you're just like, I don't know if there's some sort of
• 50:30
  like back room shanigans or if he's just trying to like if he's in some
• 50:35
  sort of handshake gentlemen's agreement to make the most deals between him and Jerry Depota
• 50:38
  this offseason. Yeah, well, I mean that the likelihood of that versus
• 50:43
  any other theory, I think the how you might have the house odds.
• 50:46
  But you know, it does feel like there's something going on. And I
• 50:51
  haven't dug deep enough to look at this, but it's almost like they have
• 50:54
  a TV contract that runs out this year and they don't want to sign anybody
• 51:00
  because to a longer term deal. Because you're right, they have they spent
• 51:05
  a lot of money just to quiet like buying guys, but they're buying guys
• 51:08
  that have years of team control left that you know, but they can cut
• 51:14
  bait if they need to. So it's like they're they have some money that
• 51:16
  they can they can spend like in the budget somewhere, maybe just from the
• 51:20
  playoff run last year or something like that, Like they've got this many to
• 51:22
  burn, but then in the out years they're a little worried about what the
• 51:27
  payroll is going to look like. So there's like, well, I'm not
• 51:29
  going to sign a lancel into a contract. I don't want to commit that
• 51:32
  that role. I can't do something like that. I can't convince a reliever
• 51:38
  to come out of a one year deal. So I'm gonna just go out
• 51:42
  out and buy these high upside guys like Kellen Nick Kerr and see if I
• 51:47
  get something. And if I do, I was just out my cash for
• 51:51
  one year that I bought their rights, and if not, oh well.
• 51:55
  So it is very interesting. I feel bad for Matt Carpenter to a degree.
• 52:01
  I actually kind of liked the landing spot for a brief second of Matt
• 52:05
  Carpenter in Atlanta. I kind of felt like that kind of when he went
• 52:08
  to the Yankees, like hey, if you just got in like the perfect
• 52:12
  spot, he can make can do some damage, like the very perfect spot,
• 52:15
  like right pitcher, right handedness, like he can do some damage.
• 52:21
  But now I think Matt Carpenter might be out of the job, might be
• 52:23
  able to league at this point, So it'll be very He's probably gonna come
• 52:29
  back to the Cardinals all of Albert Poole holes and hit you know, twenty
• 52:31
  five homers and take playing time from Jordan Walker or something like that. For
• 52:37
  for all we know, they're with all the marmal So yeah, I guess
• 52:42
  we'll see. I do agree. I think probably Matt Carpenter's done. It
• 52:45
  was a really rough season last year as he kind of morphed back into the
• 52:49
  Pumpkin after what he showed in New York. But I'm really excited for when
• 52:53
  we get back together and can review some more Braves trades and who else they've
• 52:59
  cut. Because it's also like it's you just don't see anything like this.
• 53:02
  I think nowadays in MLB that it's feels like some sort of video game maneuvers,
• 53:08
  and so it just I wonder if Anthopless forgets that, like these are
• 53:13
  real human people that he's moving around. Yeah, it's like like you could
• 53:16
  just see him sitting in his office with a spreadsheet the whole time. It
• 53:20
  just like, eh, move this one here, and move this one here.
• 53:22
  And you've got the all the guys that are working down in the clubhouse
• 53:25
  to get the lockers ready to do all the movie logistics and planning for everything,
• 53:30
  and they're like, they just got the locker signs produced and everything ready
• 53:34
  to go. They got the new bags, and they're like, gosh,
• 53:36
  dang, its like you're gonna find Matt Carboner stuff on sale with braves jerseys
• 53:40
  next year because they started printing them too early. So well, if you're
• 53:45
  looking for a gear that's not on sale, we do have a official cards
• 53:52
  and categories merchandise still, and that link to the merch shop is in the
• 53:58
  show notes. Got a hat up there, a couple of shirts and a
• 54:01
  mug. I love the mug and I'm wearing one of the hats right now.
• 54:05
  It's warm for the winter. Got nice beanies and the mugs are crisps.
• 54:10
  So if you're looking for some gear, I can guarantee you you won't
• 54:14
  have it before Christmas. The way that the website works that yeah, there's
• 54:22
  no way you're getting at this point. But yeah, if you're looking for
• 54:23
  a nice Valentine's Day present. I suggest some cards and categories gear, and
• 54:30
  we're going to get into the cards category when we come back after this break.
• 54:34
  We're going to dive into what could be another scandal coming out of Bowman
• 54:42
  Draft, or is it. We'll see when we come back after the break.
• 55:07
  All right, welcome back everybody to the card section here of cards and
• 55:14
  categories. And I hinted at it before the break, but I guess technically
• 55:19
  it is a little bit of a scandal. As you were mentioning to me,
• 55:22
  Jeremy, that there's been something that's come out with Bowman Draft and some
• 55:30
  duplicate super fractors. Again that when we did the big review of Bowman Draft
• 55:35
  twenty twenty three the other week, I was tempted to ask you this question
• 55:40
  if you thought that there was going to be another controversy around duplicate super fractors
• 55:46
  coming out in a Bowman set, if you recall, and even here with
• 55:51
  us on the pod for a little bit, the when did Bowmen Chrome come
• 55:55
  out? Like October November somewhere in there. S October sometime there. Yeah,
• 56:01
  but I think they've really started breaking harder into late October and early November
• 56:07
  was people were discovering that there were multiple one of one super fractors out there
• 56:13
  of Bowman Chrome Prospect cards. So if you're not familiar with what super fractor
• 56:17
  one of one cards are, it's just what it sounds like in the name.
• 56:21
  It's a one of one card. It's the only one that exists in
• 56:24
  the entire world. And what Tops is inserting these as is usually they're super
• 56:31
  fractors where they're gold with this little vinyl printing pattern on it, which I
• 56:38
  mean, I've never actually seen one in person, now that I think about
• 56:43
  it, and held one, I guess I've seen one at like a show,
• 56:45
  you know, but I've never like really been that close to a one
• 56:51
  of one, never pulled one, and so it's a little hard to describe
• 56:54
  it based off of the pictures I've seen, but it does have a little
• 56:58
  bit of like a gold vinyl and it should be the only one that exists,
• 57:01
  so it's obviously a huge deal if there's more than one out there from
• 57:06
  Bowman Chrome. It was determined that there were copies that were meant to be
• 57:09
  sent to players and copies that were meant to be put in the product,
• 57:14
  and there was some sort of mix up and some ended up that were supposed
• 57:19
  to go to players in the product, giving you multiple one of ones.
• 57:23
  Tops and Finacs resolved that issue by issuing bounties and lining that up, and
• 57:30
  I haven't checked in on that in a little bit. Grew in terms of
• 57:32
  like how many bounties have been claimed and stuff, but I'm sure that those
• 57:37
  are starting to get filled out here and there. But it looked like we
• 57:40
  might have something similar here with Bowman Draft as recently someone had pulled a super
• 57:49
  fractor of a card, went online with eBay and saw that it was also
• 57:52
  on eBay, but at the end of the day it had a different numbering
• 57:59
  system, So the one on eBay had a one on one on the back,
• 58:02
  the one that was pulled and showed on Twitter had a one of one
• 58:07
  on the front. All came out. We'll link to all this in the
• 58:12
  show notes as well. That what happened was there was a Fanatics Slash Tops
• 58:17
  employee down in one of the plants in Texas that was stealing some of the
• 58:22
  extra runoff from the printing presses and had been using this eBay account for a
• 58:28
  long time to sell multiple like dozens and even hundreds of one of One's and
• 58:34
  other rare cards, especially like of tens the acetates from Top's flagship or are
• 58:38
  these clear acetate cards that are printed to ten apiece and he was selling lots
• 58:43
  of those two. Obviously, when they're printing these cards in the factories,
• 58:47
  they're making multiple versions of these really rare cards and trying to put the best
• 58:52
  ones in the product, and also you know, running test runs and things
• 58:55
  like that, so there is runoff. But this is really crazy that,
• 59:00
  like you know, an employee that's working on the line can just walk out
• 59:05
  with these extra ones, list them on eBay and go undetected for a long
• 59:09
  time. So, Brew, that's the summary, kind of the quick and
• 59:14
  dirty of what happened. Like I said, I'll link to it in all
• 59:16
  the show notes so people can read the details and the nice kind of PR
• 59:21
  releases about it. And I'm glad to see that it resolved better than the
• 59:25
  first one from Bowman Chrome that it involves some nefarious action from somebody else.
• 59:31
  But Brew, what's your take on this and any kind of points of interest
• 59:36
  from the story that really spoke to you? Yeah, I it is.
• 59:40
  It is very interesting and I hate to say, like, it's surprising it
• 59:44
  took so long for something like this to happen. You got to think,
• 59:46
  you know, working on a production line something like that, it's so tempting
• 59:51
  to you know, pick these off. These are you know, thousand dollars
• 59:53
  bills being printed in front of you to a degree, and you know it,
• 59:59
  it makes I hate to say, it makes sense, but it only
• 1:00:01
  takes one person to kind of ruin this to a degree. And I would
• 1:00:07
  want to make sure we're clear of the volume that we're talking. Uh,
• 1:00:09
  this one eBay account was selling twelve percent of all superfractors from this set,
• 1:00:16
  so I think they had like twenty four or twenty five superfractors that they were
• 1:00:22
  they were selling. And you know, the plant, the FedEx printing press
• 1:00:27
  plants, whatever, I don't know, like we call it production facility is
• 1:00:30
  in the Dallas Fort Worth area. And then the user name was like DFW
• 1:00:35
  card Shark, like Dallasport Worth A card Shark is like, we're like,
• 1:00:38
  there's nothing besides hiding in plain sight that you're going after. And I guess
• 1:00:44
  like if you're gonna be if you're gonna make the move to steal them,
• 1:00:46
  and you're not the sharpest knife from the drawer here, which also goes to
• 1:00:51
  the fact that you are then listing twenty four of them on eBay at the
• 1:00:54
  same time. It's amazing, Like wouldn't you like, I mean, I'm
• 1:01:00
  I'm not like a criminal, but even like I would make separate eBay accounts
• 1:01:04
  and like, there's it's so obvia accounts, shows like trades like post on
• 1:01:12
  Exit, look what I pulled, and you do something like that. It's
• 1:01:15
  just like, Nope, it didn't quite go that way. So it's it's
• 1:01:20
  interesting. I guess the unfortunately at this point the odds on some type of
• 1:01:23
  one of one's scandal and Bowman products uh taking the over on most of those
• 1:01:29
  odds at this point in time, So it was it was unfortunate. But
• 1:01:35
  I think to your point, there was very quick resolution on this one.
• 1:01:39
  So I'll let you kind of talk about the the full resolution there if if
• 1:01:44
  you want to. Yeah, And like I said, this is in the
• 1:01:47
  show notes. It's coming from I'm not even sure quite how to refer to
• 1:01:52
  him because I don't even really follow him on Twitter. He just is one
• 1:01:54
  of these card accounts on Twitter that appear in my feed, and I think
• 1:01:59
  everybody in hobby Twitter knows who he is. It's Mario Alejandro, which is
• 1:02:04
  Baseball at Baseball card blog Baseball spilled the Spanish way and so he had the
• 1:02:12
  exclusive break from Fanatics on this news that they investigated it and determined that they
• 1:02:19
  were stolen, and so everybody who has stolen a card from that account or
• 1:02:24
  has purchased a stolen card from that account on eBay over time will get fully
• 1:02:31
  reimbursed by Fanatics, which is really about the only thing they could do,
• 1:02:37
  because it's really their internal systems and controls that broke down here to be able
• 1:02:42
  to allow this to even happen. That you would think that there would be
• 1:02:45
  some sort of mandatory set up to be able to destroy all these test prints
• 1:02:52
  and print offs, and like you said, they're printing thousands of dollars in
• 1:02:58
  product here that it's We've discussed this recently in terms of like it is a
• 1:03:02
  strange product to sell and put on the retail market for consumers because there's this
• 1:03:12
  weird gray zone between what you're selling all the product at at retail and what
• 1:03:16
  it's actually worth for on the market. That you know, it's pretty easy
• 1:03:21
  to walk out with these cars if you don't have the right processes in place,
• 1:03:25
  which really boils down to at the end of the day, fanatics cost
• 1:03:30
  cutting that like it involves just having another person there or having a quality control
• 1:03:36
  system in place that would come around and check people's stations at the end of
• 1:03:40
  the day and do inventorying that if you don't know, I work in like
• 1:03:45
  accounting and auditing during my day jobs, so I'm familiar with these things a
• 1:03:50
  little bit. That it's it's just mind blowing from that perspective that you know,
• 1:03:54
  you would think that they are aware of the value of some of the
• 1:03:59
  things that I have, and especially you're thinking about some of the game used
• 1:04:03
  relics and stuff from you know, Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron, and they've
• 1:04:10
  got tons of valuable things that they've got to be tracking. And so it
• 1:04:15
  just really does open up a bit of a Pandora's box to thinking, hey,
• 1:04:18
  this is a pretty basic manufacturing control that should be in place at a
• 1:04:25
  baseball card printing company that it would be I don't know, maybe like the
• 1:04:29
  second thing I would implement on my list after making sure my factory was saved,
• 1:04:33
  and so like that does obviously I think it also tells you why some
• 1:04:42
  of these issues have really cropped up for fanatics and tops and Pannini in recent
• 1:04:46
  years is because if things are lucy goosey enough that somebody can get away with
• 1:04:54
  taking runoff from the manufacturing floor and listing it under the most obs eBay acount
• 1:05:00
  and you can imagine and just like moving, like you said, twelve percent
• 1:05:05
  of super factors from a product, like, how do you also, as
• 1:05:10
  fanatics Panini tops not have some sort of like system in place where you're also
• 1:05:16
  tracking eBay sales? And you know they already are because they're working with eBay
• 1:05:21
  on authentication and they're trying to move some of the like card breaking in house
• 1:05:27
  and things like that, so they have lots of little like tentacles all over
• 1:05:30
  the place. That's strange that the tentacles weren't involved here. Yeah, it
• 1:05:34
  feels like you should have some machine learning algorithm running at all times on at
• 1:05:41
  least eBay sales to find any odd these like this, like you think you
• 1:05:46
  know, But the question it raises for me is, you know, how
• 1:05:50
  many have times with something like this happened but we just don't know? You
• 1:05:55
  know, every time you know you have to think the one on one being
• 1:05:58
  print on the back for the front is a quality control type measure, right
• 1:06:00
  where they're trying to not completely mimic the cards, but you still test the
• 1:06:05
  the the production line. So but if if you or I walked out of
• 1:06:12
  a factory with twenty four one of one's, uh, you know, we're
• 1:06:16
  nobody. We walk into a card show or a pawn shop or a you
• 1:06:20
  know, a local card shop and say, hey, I pulled this I
• 1:06:24
  or I I bought this from a guy, right, and you just kind
• 1:06:29
  of sneak it into production for cash, like, into the into the card
• 1:06:33
  market. Like it's it's not that hard. And especially if it's not one
• 1:06:36
  on ones, right, if you're talking something that's you know, it's so
• 1:06:41
  hard to find, but a fifty something like that, the likelihood that that
• 1:06:45
  gets caught is so incredibly low that it makes me wonder, to your point,
• 1:06:50
  like one on one, how often has this happened with something else that
• 1:06:58
  we just don't know about and we will like the never know. So it
• 1:07:00
  does concern me to agree that you know this can happen. You have to
• 1:07:03
  think this is going to put some change into fanatics that they are going to
• 1:07:06
  put a little bit more quality control safety measures in place with production. But
• 1:07:14
  I feel like we've said this before, so the feeling deje vous all over
• 1:07:17
  again is Yogi Bear would say, yeah, and you do just kind of
• 1:07:21
  wonder it goes along with the other things that we've discussed that have been detrimental
• 1:07:27
  from a pr perspective for fanatics and tops since we've started this pod. Just
• 1:07:30
  think of all the things that we've discussed over this half year, and when
• 1:07:36
  it's all kind of concentrated, I think you lose track of it all.
• 1:07:41
  But it does create long term effects in terms of just grinding on people,
• 1:07:46
  and there's been so many at this point too that you have to think it
• 1:07:51
  has turned some people off from this hobby and you have lost them forever.
• 1:07:57
  That along with just everything else in terms of like prices and stuff that,
• 1:08:00
  like, it just ories me that like where I'm always worried about this hobby
• 1:08:06
  going is to the point where it just is driving so many people out that
• 1:08:11
  there's no future growth to it. And yeah, it's it's a bummer because
• 1:08:15
  it's been just like such a big part of my life and just enjoying baseball
• 1:08:20
  overall that like it's been I think mirroring where baseball has gone on the same
• 1:08:29
  point as well, like with the owners really taking the game out of the
• 1:08:31
  hands of the fans, and like it's just mind boggling to me because like
• 1:08:40
  you want to really see these people be stewards of the game and stewards of
• 1:08:45
  this hobby that like you could grow it and like organically do it and not
• 1:08:49
  try to strip mine all the money out of it. That this is what
• 1:08:54
  happens when you're strip minding all the money out of it, you know.
• 1:08:57
  Yeah, it feels like something a short term growth plan. Not a lot
• 1:09:00
  of people exactly. I totally agree. But yeah, since I figured,
• 1:09:05
  since we're on the topic of one of ones here, not even to mention
• 1:09:10
  I'm really looking forward to previewing twenty twenty four Bowman, which is coming out
• 1:09:15
  early next year, just to see what controversy you think could be stirred up
• 1:09:18
  there. But I thought, since this is a conversation involving one of ones,
• 1:09:24
  we could have just a little discussion on our own personal one of ones.
• 1:09:28
  And I think they're a special part of any collector's personal collection, their
• 1:09:32
  PCs of trying to obtain one of one cards and being the only sole owner,
• 1:09:39
  whether you're hunting down a one of one Oh Tony and have the deep
• 1:09:43
  pockets for that, or if you're hunting down a one of one Jake Berger
• 1:09:46
  or some other backup infielder that you know, it's great to see kind of
• 1:09:51
  both ends of the spectrum be collected within the hobby that I think. That's
• 1:09:57
  one of my favorite things on Reddit is seeing some of the really random personal
• 1:10:03
  collections PCs of one of ones that people have, but then also using those
• 1:10:08
  one of ones to build out rainbows and being able to put together an entire
• 1:10:13
  set of every one of those refractors that we're listing off when we have those
• 1:10:17
  new releases, that there are people crazy enough to go down there and track
• 1:10:21
  every one of those versions from some of those sets. So I guess I
• 1:10:27
  should also start with there's different types of one of ones out there. You
• 1:10:30
  will have what we were referring to in this scandal and what happened to Bowman
• 1:10:34
  Chrome with the superfractors, which is the gold vinyl printed cards. You will
• 1:10:40
  have one of ones that are printing plates that if you've been listening to those
• 1:10:45
  rundowns of all the card parallels that we've been listening. You have usually black,
• 1:10:50
  yellow, cayenne, and magenta because those are your typical printing plates when
• 1:10:57
  you're printing on old school paper. So you've got each one of those and
• 1:11:01
  those are unique because you know, they are what they use on the printing
• 1:11:05
  process, and only one of each of those colors exists. And then you
• 1:11:11
  have other one of ones that are just I know, for Flagship nowadays,
• 1:11:15
  it's the platinum parallel. It's like a grayish silverish parallel. So you'll see
• 1:11:21
  lots of other different variations, but typically superfractors and printing plates are the main
• 1:11:28
  ones. So brew like, what's your kind of favorite of those types of
• 1:11:31
  one of ones and what does your collection hold? Have you ever pulled any?
• 1:11:36
  Yeah, so I think that there's like to your point, there's a
• 1:11:40
  variety number a different one of ones, and they definitely range in value and
• 1:11:45
  desirability. The superfractors has to be the you know, gold standard if I
• 1:11:49
  if I may gold printed superfractors of the one of one that like, that's
• 1:11:57
  if that's what you what you're after, Flat tops, Flagship Bowman getting that
• 1:12:01
  that type of the superfactor is kind of the standard that you're after, but
• 1:12:06
  there's a lot of different ones out there from you know, the printing plates
• 1:12:12
  if you're over in Leaf. They do a lot of proofs out there,
• 1:12:16
  so it's a you might get the front side of the card but not have
• 1:12:19
  the backside. It might be an unnumbered, different colored version that they're trying
• 1:12:27
  to do, and they do a lot of encased one of ones. So
• 1:12:30
  you know, my my personal collection, and I did not count before we
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  had this conversation, I probably have somewhere between five and ten one of ones
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  somewhere in there. You know, there there's one of ones that just aren't
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  valuable, all kind of like you know, third tier companies that put them
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  out there and they make a one of one, but they have like one
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  hundred one of ones because there's just a different image on every card, and
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  so like your best players are still like a ten dollars one of one.
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  I got a few of those. Those don't really count because I don't know
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  if you can really call those a one of one. Got a number of
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  the printing proofs from from Leaf of some of my PCs, like nolle Off
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  the pod that I just picked up two one of one from Griffin Roberts,
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  a first round draft pick of the Cardinals, is now in the league.
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  Those were I was very excited to find those, but it's also a reason
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  I was able to pay five dollars for each of them. When you fizzle
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  out after about two years in the minors, UH Valley doesn't hold probably the
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  one that I'm chased the most. So, like I said, I had
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  a number one on ones, I've had someone one sold to one on ones,
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  things like that. But the I think the hardest part of being a
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  collector is if you're after a specific one of one because you may never see
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  it. And I've I've been on a quest for the last oh year and
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  a half, if you if you want to call it that, searching for
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  a tops Now one of one that I have the entire rainbow of everything else.
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  And it was from a game that I went to. I went to
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  a Cardinals game where Nolan Gorman his first career home run and Matthew Lebator won
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  his first career game. I was at that game. You know, I
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  got a game used baseball from it, and I went through and tried to
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  collect the entire rainbow of the tops Now and I've got every single of the
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  base cards except for the one on one. I've started the autographs, but
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  I have no idea if I will ever see that one of one, and
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  I know if I do, it does not matter what it costs. I
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  have to buy it because that is what I have been chasing. And so
• 1:14:42
  as a collector, there's this beauty of the one on ones, but there's
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  also this like internal suffrage of there's only one. And so if there's another
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  guy out there going after the same thing you are and they get there first,
• 1:14:55
  you're just so well, you are out of luck. You are not
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  getting kids card. So for me, I've, like I said, I
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  got a few of them. How about you? How many how many one
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  ones do you have? I've never personally pulled one, strive for the day
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  to uh to do that, and I'm not counting. I think, like
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  I said, Leaf has a tendency to put out like boxes out with like
• 1:15:19
  in case one of one printer proofs. Those don't count when you buy a
• 1:15:24
  box that says what's included? Uh where we're talking about the ones that are
• 1:15:27
  a little bit, a little bit harder to find. They're not kind of
• 1:15:29
  manufactured intentionally out of the p for marketing purposes. So I don't know what
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  about you, what's your one of one journey? Yeah, as you can
• 1:15:41
  maybe tell from when I was talking about, I don't even know what gold
• 1:15:45
  vinyl super factors like are totally like textured, as I've never pulled one.
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  It would be really awesome that, Like I'm looking forward to the day to
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  do it, because then becomes the eternal question of do you try to go
• 1:16:00
  and get the rest of the rainbow, because like that's the easiest way to
• 1:16:03
  start one of the rainbows is starting with the hardest card and then working your
• 1:16:08
  way back that I think it would be really fun to put together an entire
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  rainbow. But yeah, I've never pulled one. I have a slightly smaller
• 1:16:17
  collection of one of ones than you do. I don't have any kind of
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  like true one of ones. I don't have like any true super fractors,
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  none of the like the platinum parallels, none of the actual gold vinyl super
• 1:16:31
  fractors. What I do have is one printing plate, Is that right?
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  Yeah? I think just the one printing plate of it's from the twenty twenty
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  two set of Wainwright being a League leader in Wins. Was he a Wins
• 1:16:47
  leader in twenty twenty two, I believe, And so I have the magenta
• 1:16:54
  plate from that and then the other one of ones I have I think three
• 1:17:00
  now of from TOPS Archives Signatures Tops Signatures Archives. I don't remember which way
• 1:17:05
  it goes, but that's the set where they work with current and former players
• 1:17:12
  to What they do is they buy back or recollect old just common base cards
• 1:17:16
  usually of players, and then take them to sign them and then reprint them
• 1:17:23
  with short printed numbers. So they're kind of like fake one of ones some
• 1:17:29
  people call them because what they are is like essentially a TOP certified in person
• 1:17:33
  autograph. But what TOPS does is tries to limit those for the most part,
• 1:17:40
  although that can also maybe go into our controversy list because I have seen
• 1:17:45
  sometimes from Top Tops Archives where they have one of ones of like the same
• 1:17:49
  card signed by a player, and it's like one is printed in twenty twenty
• 1:17:55
  two Tops Archives and the other ones in twenty twenty three, so they like
• 1:18:00
  multiple the signatures and printed one of one's different years. But I haven't seen
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  that for the ones I have, which are especially like if they're Ozzie Smith
• 1:18:09
  ones of that for stadium clubs. Oh, it's that's maybe like my ultimate
• 1:18:13
  weakness, that that's what two of them are, and so whenever one of
• 1:18:16
  those pops up, I try to collect them. But yeah, like you
• 1:18:20
  said, it is like been an interesting twist I think to the hobby since
• 1:18:27
  I've re entered, you know, within the past couple of years that back
• 1:18:30
  in the nineties this wasn't really quite as much of a thing. That weren't
• 1:18:35
  really quite as many parallels to chase, and certainly not as many numbered cards.
• 1:18:43
  So it's been a change to the collecting of the cards overall because it's
• 1:18:49
  just been a foundational shift as people are really trying to seek out and battle
• 1:18:56
  over these one of one cards within their personal collections. Yeah, it's it's
• 1:19:00
  almost you go back to your point in like the late nineties when number of
• 1:19:04
  cards first started coming out, and it's I think today it's like you might
• 1:19:09
  have had a card number out of one hundred back in the late nineties,
• 1:19:12
  and now it's almost as rare as out of five. I don't know what
• 1:19:15
  the comparison is to because you have so many different one of ones, so
• 1:19:20
  many you know, two different versions of out of five's like you start counting
• 1:19:25
  back and you're like, oh, about one hundred back in the day was
• 1:19:29
  roughly out of what ten or five something like that. Because there they are
• 1:19:32
  there are more plentiful, they are be more creative in using that one of
• 1:19:38
  one really to market the cards. You got a one on one of every
• 1:19:42
  single variation. Uh that seems like in a set. So one of ones
• 1:19:46
  are fun to your point, I have owned one super Fractor before and I
• 1:19:51
  regretfully do not still own X. I sold a large collection at one point
• 1:19:56
  of a single player, and you have to imagine that that was part of
• 1:20:00
  one of the selling points was a few one of ones, including a a
• 1:20:04
  a super Fractor you know, as a player got called up and was hot,
• 1:20:10
  you know, went through the roof in the market. Kind of had
• 1:20:12
  to capitalize on it and have regretted that sense. So it's it is a
• 1:20:17
  tough tough thing to do when you know, when you see really collect cards
• 1:20:20
  and you buy them to sell them, to sell them, to buy them,
• 1:20:23
  like it's a vicious cycle that we all have to to get used to.
• 1:20:26
  So anyway, one of the ones, they are definitely fun, definitely
• 1:20:30
  can can divide the market of collectors yeah, and if you're out there listening
• 1:20:36
  and you've pulled up one up one or have one that you're looking for and
• 1:20:42
  hopefully don't own bruise and are trying to extort him for it that if you've
• 1:20:48
  got any good insights, you can certainly email us. Email the pod at
• 1:20:53
  cards Categories at gmail dot com. Really, no big news coming out interns
• 1:21:00
  of new sets that we had that big stretch of the holiday push from Tops
• 1:21:04
  last week that we went over and had five consecutive days of releases. There's
• 1:21:11
  nothing on the calendar for the rest of twenty twenty four right now except for
• 1:21:15
  Panini National Treasures coming out next week on the twenty ninth. And that's not
• 1:21:19
  a price range that I play in with Panini National Treasures. Yeah, so
• 1:21:26
  we probably won't do too big of a deep dive into that. But there
• 1:21:30
  was one set added to the schedule that's coming out here within the next couple
• 1:21:33
  weeks. That is twenty twenty three Bowman's Best has been added to the schedule
• 1:21:38
  to be released on January seventeenth, twenty twenty four. I think we'll dive
• 1:21:42
  into that set a little bit more when the day draws near, But for
• 1:21:45
  this week, we're going to wrap up the pod, So brew can you
• 1:21:48
  remind all the people out there where they can find you? Yep, find
• 1:21:51
  me over on x slash Twitter J Brewer one seven and we will be back
• 1:21:57
  at writing here over in Rasballs the baseball season kicks up probably in early January,
• 1:22:01
  early in mid January, and find me over there generally on the weekend.
• 1:22:05
  So Mike, how about you. Yeah, you can find me on
• 1:22:10
  Twitter slash x as well at mcool seven. You can also find me on
• 1:22:15
  Blue Sky at mcool seven and yeah, if you're not on blue Sky yet,
• 1:22:18
  I think it's a really great space, especially for baseball writers and just
• 1:22:24
  baseball minds, that it's been much more palatable of an experience over what Twitter
• 1:22:30
  has been recently. Like I said, you can find the Pod Cards Categories
• 1:22:38
  at gmail dot com or on Twitter slash x at cards Categories. Once again,
• 1:22:43
  check out the merch that we have linked into the show notes if you're
• 1:22:45
  interested in a hat, smugs, or shirts. And we will be back
• 1:22:50
  again next week with a bit of a holiday edition as we go over summering
• 1:22:57
  or summarizing up the year for cards and fantasy for us, So stick around
• 1:23:02
  for next week, and if you are out there celebrating holidays, hope you
• 1:23:06
  have a great time and are safe and enjoy the new year. Take care
• 1:23:11
  everybody, We'll see you next week.