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Agatha All Along Is The Greatest Marvel Series Of All Time! (Agatha All Along Finale Review & Recap) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 2: am dead ass crying. When Porta do this podcast and
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  Speaker 2: she came on with it the smile. You are Judy Funny.
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  Speaker 2: I can't can y'all put? Can we do a side
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  Speaker 2: by side picture? Right the fuck now? Like? Ain't no way.
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  Speaker 2: The millennials, y'all understand. When it comes to Doug, this
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  Speaker 2: is she won. She wont she wants you one. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Let me get my composure because we are
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  Speaker 2: here to do a job. I'm sorry you too. We
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  Speaker 2: must get into character, okay, okay, yes, and I command
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  Speaker 2: the Windolese and okay, I can't. I don't have it
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  Speaker 2: right now, But what I do have is our review
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  Speaker 2: of the last two episodes of Agatha All along episodes
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  Speaker 2: eight and nine. This is the finale of maybe the
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  Speaker 2: season finale, not so much series finale. We don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the way they did it. They did
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  Speaker 2: it like they were ready for their journey to continue on.
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  Speaker 2: They're gonna go keep going down the yellow brick road.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't with the bob. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: but yes, y'all, we are here to talk review recap,
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  Speaker 2: give our reactions to the last two episodes of this
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  Speaker 2: series season before we get into like all the deep details,
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  Speaker 2: just like, are you in the words of Ayana on
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  Speaker 2: TikTok are you satisfied?
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  Speaker 4: I was thoroughly entertained the drama speak.
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  Speaker 2: Ivoids the whole time. Please don't, I can't take you seriously. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I have enjoyed the whole journey, and I am
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  Speaker 4: enjoyed that I enjoyed when the end of a journey
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  Speaker 4: is not really the end, like versus like the cycle continues. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: I feel like it was like very fitting that so
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  Speaker 4: much of the till and we'll get into more points,
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  Speaker 4: but some of the points towards the end of episode eight,
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  Speaker 4: we're a reminder of, like how much the journey of
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  Speaker 4: the Witch's Road was related to like Wizard of Oz
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  Speaker 4: and the like yellow Brick Road and all that stuff,
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  Speaker 4: And how fitting is it for William to return home,
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  Speaker 4: look around and realize was it all from my head?
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  Speaker 4: In a very Dorothy Gale kind of way.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I will say that I was satisfied. I liked
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  Speaker 2: how again this. I mean, y'all gonna argue with me
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  Speaker 2: all day on this this This might have been the
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  Speaker 2: best Disney Plus show like period on the history of
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  Speaker 2: Disney Plus. And I know that might be a tall
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  Speaker 2: order for a lot of people, but the reason why
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  Speaker 2: is because this has been consistent. This has been a
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  Speaker 2: journey that I actually enjoyed from the very beginning. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't like, you know how they say, oh, you need
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  Speaker 2: like two three episodes to get into it. No, which,
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  Speaker 2: like the first thirty minutes I was in and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, I get where y'all going. I
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  Speaker 2: smell with y'all cooking, And it kept being more and
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  Speaker 2: more engaging, and it was damn good writing from Jump
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  Speaker 2: Street and there is not I okay, maybe one or
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  Speaker 2: two shows, like there's not too many shows, or maybe
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  Speaker 2: an episode of two of our this are you talking about?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, here's the thing we talk about, Disney Plus like.
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  Speaker 2: Disney Plus show, Disney Plus trig shows originals specifically, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not talking about like the MCU and the entirety of
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  Speaker 2: the MCU in films, No, the TV shows. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think this might have won. And and again it's it's
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  Speaker 2: because of the level of consistency, the level of expertise,
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  Speaker 2: the power this has, the communication, this has, the longevity
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  Speaker 2: this has. Okay, like it's It's mother and I just
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  Speaker 2: they not only like wrapped it up and gave you
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  Speaker 2: a fulfilling Okay, this is what's happening. It gave you
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  Speaker 2: more context behind like the one of the biggest mysteries
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  Speaker 2: of the show, which was what happened to Nicholas scratch,
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  Speaker 2: what happened to Agatha's son, And to see that whole
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  Speaker 2: backstory and it all fold in on itself like it's
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  Speaker 2: Agatha all along. I'd liken it to like an origami
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  Speaker 2: like something that you know, you fold it over onto
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  Speaker 2: itself and create something beautiful, but there's always pieces within
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  Speaker 2: it that touch and matter and convert converge onto another
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  Speaker 2: to like to build something bigger, like I just was.
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  Speaker 2: I was very happy, very pleased with the way it ended,
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  Speaker 2: and one big thing I wanted to say after watching
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  Speaker 2: episode eight, I told y'all, So, I told y'all. I
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  Speaker 2: told y'all, I told y'all, how many times did I
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  Speaker 2: say this shit was a figment of Billy's mind imagination? Congratulations? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I told y'all, what the fuck that I said? The
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  Speaker 2: last two three episodes? I said, the road is the
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  Speaker 2: manifestation of everything in his room. Run that shit back.
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  Speaker 2: If y'all didn't hear me say that, But I said
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  Speaker 2: it over and over and over again. There was literally
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  Speaker 2: and then oh, okay, I'm about to get mad. But
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  Speaker 2: before I get mad, I'm just getting mad because I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I told y'all, But before I get mad, what was
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  Speaker 2: the biggest takeaway for you out at the end of
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  Speaker 2: these two episodes? Maybe not the whole season. I'm like, who,
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  Speaker 2: let me back up?
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  Speaker 4: No, I think that the show really sets you up
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  Speaker 4: with the premise, right, like it's Agatha all along and
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm meant to do and I did
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  Speaker 4: not do and I will be doing. For a second
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  Speaker 4: in this discussion is looking at all the different title
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  Speaker 4: fakes they gave us, like Agatha and whatever, the Coven
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  Speaker 4: of Harkness, Like I want to go back through that
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  Speaker 4: because I know those are like of like c series
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  Speaker 4: kind of or like season clues and like takeaways. I
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  Speaker 4: probably will be like thoughtful. But when I think about,
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  Speaker 4: like the show kind of set us up for Agatha
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  Speaker 4: all along, and so we know that going in, whatever
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  Speaker 4: clues they drop about Agatha's backstory are going to be
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  Speaker 4: integral to what her journey is in the series. And
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  Speaker 4: so getting to these final two applespisodes and like having
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  Speaker 4: heard her and so many people like have so many
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  Speaker 4: like weird, like non like very vague comments about what
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  Speaker 4: happened to her and her son, even though we had
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  Speaker 4: never heard of her son before, right, and then for
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  Speaker 4: us to get to Rio being like why are you
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  Speaker 4: letting them go with the falsehoods around Nick? Then being
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  Speaker 4: like I'm understanding a bit more that like Rio's heart
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  Speaker 4: like as death like it's like a like episode nine,
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  Speaker 4: we get much more of that. But in episode eight
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  Speaker 4: real's part as death. As she says that, it makes
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  Speaker 4: it really interesting because they're like, what, why what is
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  Speaker 4: her buy into Agatha's story about Nick and why does
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  Speaker 4: she care? Why that besides just caring for Agatha and
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  Speaker 4: then getting Episo of Note and actually seeing how it
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  Speaker 4: all played out, And it's deep.
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  Speaker 2: It's so deep how that shit played out. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's funny, Portia that you mentioned that just
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you're not still not
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  Speaker 2: supposed to like Agatha, No, And I think they make
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  Speaker 2: that very apparent with these last two episodes. Like as
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  Speaker 2: much as we say, you know, I mean as a character,
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  Speaker 2: as someone I'm like watching to like be entertained by. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate her, right, but like I don't like Agatha,
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  Speaker 2: Like that's not my friend. Agatha is not a go
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  Speaker 2: ofa hearkness is not your friend. She's just no comrade, right.
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  Speaker 2: She is very much a covenless witch, as they express,
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  Speaker 2: and it's in her nature. And yes she may have
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  Speaker 2: these these bursts of compassion or but it's always tied
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  Speaker 2: back to It's never like it's never in my head
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  Speaker 2: like true empathy. It's like everything ties back to what
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  Speaker 2: she went through right, and I guess maybe that's just
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  Speaker 2: the definition of it, but I'm like, there's like she
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  Speaker 2: doesn't just have empathy for sake of having it right.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, well, I know what that feels like, or
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  Speaker 2: I went through that, so now I feel for you,
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  Speaker 2: Versus if she never been through none of that, or
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  Speaker 2: I didn't feel the type of or didn't have any
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  Speaker 2: connection with you, she'd be like, your look, you're you know,
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  Speaker 2: tough shit, that's on you. I just feel like it's
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  Speaker 2: just interesting with Actha. Like when I was watching her
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  Speaker 2: go through her ship with her son, I was just like,
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  Speaker 2: I felt like that old lady and the meme. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, should I feel sorry for the bitch because
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  Speaker 2: I don't like I kind of did it like and
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  Speaker 2: maybe that's that's that's harsh with me, But in some
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  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, yeah, you've been through it. But I'm like, well, bitch,
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  Speaker 2: why are you? Why are you going through this? Like
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  Speaker 2: even your son is questioning your motives and your and
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  Speaker 2: your actions and you're kind of just doing what the
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  Speaker 2: fuck you want to do.
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  Speaker 4: I can't let me let me sound get it on
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  Speaker 4: the same thread but possibly mean, but I don't care
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  Speaker 4: because you know she deserves what she gets. Uh, she
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  Speaker 4: what she deserves.
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  Speaker 2: I get the.
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was very well timed for Rio to
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  Speaker 4: take Nikki right on the same day that he rebutd
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  Speaker 4: Agatha and her taking people's powers. He was like, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to sing and dance and like make the hubble
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  Speaker 4: ubba blue and then you know, get the draw in
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  Speaker 4: the victims that.
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  Speaker 2: You like to take.
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  Speaker 4: But then as soon as like he could have snapped
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  Speaker 4: in and taken advantage like his mom would have wanted
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  Speaker 4: him to, he was like, nah, actually no, And so
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  Speaker 4: I think that's the like the get The main takeaway
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  Speaker 4: is that at the end of the day, it's like
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  Speaker 4: Agatha's been on this journey is like it's me all along,
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  Speaker 4: very narcissistic. But when we get to the like towards
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  Speaker 4: the end of episode nine, you hear that her true
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  Speaker 4: fear is to face her son. Knowing how much she
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  Speaker 4: making it all about her all along. Its saying that
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  Speaker 4: she fears having to see face judgment on Yeah, she
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  Speaker 4: does see him again.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I want to definitely get into Rio because
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  Speaker 2: there's so much there. First of all, apparently her and
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  Speaker 2: Agatham and fucking for like a century. I just like
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  Speaker 2: I knew they had history, but my god, they said
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  Speaker 2: seventeen sixty.
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  Speaker 4: Yet I was like, now here's the thing. Death can
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  Speaker 4: come in many forms? Is that baby?
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  Speaker 2: Death? Baby? I thought I just thought that was her.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that was all the way the rial We know,
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  Speaker 2: that's still the same lady. It's death, you cantainy.
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  Speaker 4: Death can take many forms, So in order for Agatha
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  Speaker 4: to get pregnant, did Reo take on a different form
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  Speaker 4: and order? Is that death's baby?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? Wait, I'm okay, hold on, hold on, holds on.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want that to be the case simply because like,
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  Speaker 2: none of this makes sense right in the word, in
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  Speaker 2: the world of Witchery, none of this makes sense. But
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  Speaker 2: I didn't want that to d be the case. I
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  Speaker 2: thought about it. I didn't want that to be the
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  Speaker 2: case because I was just like the way Actatha was
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  Speaker 2: just like, it wasn't like they were having the baby together.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't like, well, then again, she's death. But I
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  Speaker 2: was like, what was like rio was happy to see her,
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  Speaker 2: you know, have the baby. It was just like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I just I don't does that automatically mean
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  Speaker 2: like death? Death sires a child and then wants the
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  Speaker 2: child like immediately like I don't I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: just don't want that just to be so flat like that.
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  Speaker 2: And then like the way Acta was talking, it was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because she said, and that's part of the
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  Speaker 2: reason why the boy's name is scratched. It's very it's
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  Speaker 2: very Game of Thrones, right, like when it's a bastard child.
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  Speaker 2: Think about that, it's a bastard child that they just
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  Speaker 2: take on the last name whatever reasion they're in, right,
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  Speaker 2: John snow so and so saying, whatever this one Nicholas scratch.
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  Speaker 2: She said, I made you from scratch, which gives to
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  Speaker 2: me that she did it the old fashioned way and
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  Speaker 2: got pregnant the old fashion way. But to your point,
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  Speaker 2: that still could have been death in a form where
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  Speaker 2: you did it the old fashion way. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm hoping that that would be. I mean, it's already
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  Speaker 2: fucked up. Their relationship is so fucked up. That would
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  Speaker 2: be incredibly even more to the tenth power fucked up.
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  Speaker 2: I really don't want that portch I don't like that idea,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't like that just because I don't like it,
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  Speaker 2: but I.
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  Speaker 4: Think about it from the perspective of like Death has
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  Speaker 4: been trying to get Agatha back home. Perhaps that is
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  Speaker 4: that was been Their son's only wish is to have
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  Speaker 4: Agatha back, and Agatha's like, I'm not ready.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not ready. I'm not ready.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not ready, And so any every chance she gets
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  Speaker 4: to deny like her own death is not from a
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  Speaker 4: place of like, oh I just want to be imbortal.
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  Speaker 4: It's literally from a place of I'm scared to face
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  Speaker 4: what happens? Would I take on death?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that's the obvious answer. There's nobody
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  Speaker 2: else around. They're not going to reveal a random nigga right.
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  Speaker 4: After establishing this romance with Death, like what else saw
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  Speaker 4: the answer?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I guess so Akaba was like, my love,
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  Speaker 2: why are you here? It was it was for a second,
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  Speaker 2: for a hot second, this is just stuff I want
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  Speaker 2: to believe. For hot second, it was giving. Agatha had
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  Speaker 2: a little trust somewhere and it was just like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: my love, Death is back. Guess what. Yeah, I'm pregnant,
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  Speaker 2: but can you just leave me alone for a second?
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  Speaker 2: That's what I was hoping, But I know that's naive.
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  Speaker 4: For a second there whenever Agatha was on the road
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  Speaker 4: with like whenever she had had the baby, and she's
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  Speaker 4: feeding the baby, and she'd had she fed the baby
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  Speaker 4: right after she took the power from a witch. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: are we about to learn that Agatha only takes powers?
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  Speaker 4: Which it initially only took powers because it was like
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  Speaker 4: he's like a sucker bist and her son was like
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  Speaker 4: an in like that was how like the baby's gum
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  Speaker 4: because she's like you like that, huh?
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  Speaker 2: And I was like hmm.
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  Speaker 4: And then whenever they were on the road, I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: is she just like is this the thing that started?
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  Speaker 4: Because she was trying to feed the both of them
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  Speaker 4: because he was saying I'm hungry and she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: she's trying to feed both of them. But then I
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  Speaker 4: he was like, nah, we don't need this, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, so he don't. And he actually wanted
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  Speaker 4: food and he didn't show any powers.
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  Speaker 2: That That's another reason why I was like, well, maybe
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  Speaker 2: he a regular dougala because he just wanted food. That's
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  Speaker 2: why another reason why I was like, well maybe death
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  Speaker 2: and got nothing to do with it, because.
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  Speaker 4: Here's what I was so here my thinking was Okay,
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  Speaker 4: So when I saw him not have a manifestation only
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  Speaker 4: ate regular food, I was like, Okay, so it's not
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  Speaker 4: the incubied theory. Incubus theory, but if he like Death
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  Speaker 4: said that, like Agatha had already received the most like
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  Speaker 4: special treatment that anybody had.
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  Speaker 2: Ever h She did say that, And.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like perhaps like the magic of Nikki was
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  Speaker 4: him being alive because he wasn't supposed to be because
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  Speaker 4: he wasn't supposed to be alive.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that it's making sense. I don't want it to
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  Speaker 2: make sense, but it's making sense. It's such a because
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  Speaker 2: it's such a tragic thing. Like first of all, for
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  Speaker 2: those that don't know, or those who were the comics
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  Speaker 2: who want to know, like the tie in, like death
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  Speaker 2: is one of the obvious reasons. But for this reason,
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  Speaker 2: death is one of the most toxic characters. And I
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  Speaker 2: didn't jump into that last episode, but whatever, reviewed but
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  Speaker 2: deaths relationship are the most toxic relationships you can probably
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  Speaker 2: read in the MC excuse me, the Marvel comic universe,
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  Speaker 2: especially because in the comics anyway, her relationship is primarily
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  Speaker 2: with that Thanos And yeah, there's other stuff that's going on,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: but a lot of the stories you see it is
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: about Thanos and how Thanos is always trying to impress
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Death and like even the whole thing with the Finnity
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Goland that was partially just just impressed the bitch and
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: try to win her hand and love and that she's
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: always like, so it's like dangling a carrot, like, oh,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: you want my love, you want to be with me,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: but you gotta do this fuc shit first, right that
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: was that has been her relationship with that was and
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: basically egging him on to just commit atrocities and genocide
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: and shit like that. And that's repeated with with other
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: people who have like love interest with Death and now again,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: like I said, for obvious reasons, this fucked up, but
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: it's also just like it's extremely toxic. So it's interesting
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: how this this version that is you know, has a
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: relationship with Agatha is extremely toxic and also Agatha herself
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: being toxic. It's kind of like one of the worst matches,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the worst best matches you can ever see in comic
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: book history, right, plus magic and plus all this other.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Shit as there of drama. I just want to say
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: that everyone loves a toxic romance like it really gets
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: the people going invested inside. So I feel like, especially
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: forgetting our seasons, even if it's one more season of
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: this show, there's no way they're going to get rid
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: of that being like a three line like death and
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: real death and act.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Oh they got to keep well, first of all, be
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Plaza's great, but they got that's going to show up
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: somewhere else, like somewhere else in an MCU as death,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Like that's not the only she has. We're not only
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: going to see her in this property as death. She
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: has to big a player for her not to see
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: her else. Death is too like for them to to
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: your point, and for them to introduce such a huge
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: and a lot of people don't realize it, but for
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: them to introduce such a big character within now the
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: live action m to you. And also just the understanding
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: of death as an entity, like forget comic book history.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Death is an entity. You're talking about death and life
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: like that. That's some powerful shit. So yeah, it's kind
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: of like it'll be a waste if you threw that
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: character to the side and didn't revisit. And also it's
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: such a charismatic Aubrey's All version of death anyway, it's
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: such a charismatic character and one that similarly to Agatha
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: is it's very confusing and that you enjoy being entertained
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: by them, but you're also like, I do not like
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: this person. So to your point, I really do hope
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: that they continue somewhere with that. And obviously in Agatha law,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I think hopefully they'll get a season two, but just
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: somewhere else in the mptry you would be nice. I
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: really liked last week when you when you had your
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: whole theory about the green magic and the trickster and
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: the potential tie and the logan, Like, I loved all
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: of that, and and you know, the door is wide
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: open for any of that. Yes, we understand the character
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: is just simply Death, but I mentioned Thanals too. Death
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: is not simple, right, that is not simple. I also
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: mentioned Thanals. You know the history of who Death is,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: you know who's connected to Thanals. And we've been down
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: this road already, so it's not that big of a
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: leap to get to Loki. I'm just I'm just saying
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: this thing with Rio though, this thing that she has
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: with Agatha, this relationship, this deathly relationship that she has,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the fact that she's constantly trying to kill the bitch.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: So Agatha has been a ghost for like ten minutes,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: and she's already learned to be corporeal and actually pick
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: up things and realf remember she couldn't at first, she
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: couldn't touch ability, she could on stuff. And I mentioned
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: this because I'm just like, how long she gonna be dead?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Like is she actually is? She gonna find some way
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: out of ghosthood and come back like like and this
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: is just the nature of comics. Nothing stays the same anyway.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: And you know these are comic book characters, yes, and
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: live action, but nonetheless you're talking about witches and magic
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and death and all this demonization. So she can't be
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: She's not dead for real, at least not forever.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know, because like Agatha in the comic books
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: is an old lady, right.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: She's an old ass lady. And I peeped at it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: They they fast over her little character right to where
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: she is.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: They keep mentioning because like the Ballad has made a
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: mother chrome but so it's her brooch. And I don't
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: think we've ever technically, like technically we have seen Agatha
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: as a.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Maiden, like with a baby when she was in her
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: coven maiden tying her up at the steak. Yeah, because
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: maiden is like young girl, but usually it's virginal.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: And that's the thing. It's like, I don't know. I
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: quibble with the idea of as actually have been seen
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Agatha's maiden and maybe we'll get find another season because
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Akatha on a steak, it is not virginal, So I don't.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Think that actually, but that was before she had but
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: that was before she had Nick.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: It was but technically I don't know that technicoloitges like
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: for a maiden.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Anyways, Mother, we definitely have seen our whole time we've
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: known Agatha, she's been mother and then chrome we got
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: at the end as her as a ghost, right, So
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: I feel like the more like revelations will get about
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Akatha will be some bits from her past back to
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: the Ford. And I think it's interesting that her mother
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: shows up as a powerful raith and Agatha says she
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: calculated Mayson calculated measures for her to become a ghost.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: So I'm like something about her seeing her mother as
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: a raith slash ghost and her being like something about
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: this feels like and I'm like, is she gonna be
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: on a quest at some point to reckon with her
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: mother in that.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: It would it would be interesting. I mean, you have
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: motive behind it. And also her mom possessed her for
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: like a hot second, so I would assume something she
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: learned something that one thing we know about Agatha, as
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: she says she ad quick study, she'd be picking it
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: up fast. She's, you know, one of them little genius ones.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: So that's that's that's tracking to me what you're saying,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: that's tracking? Can we talk about? And then episode nine
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: was pretty brilliant. This whole thing about the Witch's Road
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: was first of all, it was a fucking nursery rhyme
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: that her son made up that was listening but listen
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: that and I'm gonna get to you. I know what
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: you about to say. That was then bastardized and turn
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: into the fucking scam of the century. But then what
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: you're about to say, which is but was it really
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: goo ahead for?
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Because when the woman walks up to him in the pub,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: she says, that's an interesting tune. Where did you get
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: that from? So it feels like it was a ballad
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: that was passed down from the witches, like from the
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: coven that I got that belonged to like the witches
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: always knew, like it's been around for a pre Nikki.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: When she was probably humming to Nikki and stuff, she
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: changed up the words not give Nikki the idea that
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: they needed to be around other witches like coven or whatever, like,
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: to not give him like that thoughts. So she just
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: changed up the words for it to make it about
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: them and not about the witch. Is rude because I
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: feel like the way that the woman recognized it feels
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: like it's like because I was that was what I
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: was sitting with. I was like, did he this is
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: the first time this has ever performed to an audience?
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: And this is like, this is why the Lord exists
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: because someone wrote it down and took it with them
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: and then like or remembered it, and then it wrote
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: it down and then became a thing. But that witch
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: in the pub who went up to him and asked
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: him if you would like something to eat? Was like,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: that is an interesting tune? Where did you hear that from?
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: But is it? She just SAIDs an because it's interesting,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: not because she recognized it.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: I think it's because she I think she came up.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: She came up to him as a witch, knowing being like,
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: are you.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: A witch's child? What's where did you get that from? Okay,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: maybe I could see that. I liked that approach. I
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: also liked the approach that like it was dead ass
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: something he was just coming up with and they were
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: singing it. I mean, nothing with Agatha is ever innocent,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: but in a way you can say it was an
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: innocent thing that a mother and child was making up
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: because like that ass through that little montage of them
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: singing a song, they were just adding random quote random.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: See Judy Funny is not letting this stand about. She's like,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: nothing is random, everything is played. It just felt like,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: you know, they were just doing this cute see mother
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: son thing where it's just like, oh, we're just singing
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: about our journie journey through the woods and how I
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: eat the other, which is right, like it's our journey
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: together as a family, as a two people family, and
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: it was giving innocence until it wasn't, which I liked.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: The reason why I like that approach is because then
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: it's very fitting about how then you know, like you said,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: just with and also maybe to your point, it's just
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: how things get changed over the years, right, like when
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: we're talking about miss and folklore and things like that,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Like when it's passed down over the ages, certain parts change,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: the origin gets blurred in history, the truth of the matter,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Like a lot of people don't know certain nursery rhymes
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: are about death, and you know, like they just it
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: gets wrapped up and changed so much that you don't
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: realize the true origins of it. So that like that's
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: the folklore, Like the Witch's ballad, the Witch's role balad,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Like that's folklore in and of itself, right, Like how
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: did it really start? And was it truly just something
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: innocent between a mother and a child, and then did
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: it become something else? And also at the end of
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: the day, for me, it fit the characterization of act
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: that taking something that could be potentially pure and bastardizing it,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: making it into a weapon, making it into something that
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: wasn't even fucking real to begin with, and just a
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: ploy that she used to capture and kill other witches.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the other reason why I think it, Like
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: that's even more evidence to me, that's why that song
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: was she she took a song that was probably Nursey
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: rhyme to her growing up, and then changed it up
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: with her son, And she didn't want him to think
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: about because you know, in the song there just like
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: building a coven of witches and journeying along with them,
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: going on like being together with them. She didn't want
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: him to think that they were supposed to do.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: That to like he wanted.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: She wanted him to think to look at their life
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: as being normal. So she made it about them instead
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: of it being about the original thing. The fact that
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: as soon as she lays her center and rest, a
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: woman comes up singing that song means that song had
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: been proliferated way before her song. Ever, her son ever
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: sung it in a pub like it's a.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Possibility, that's It's just that I can't shake the feeling
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: that it was also something that they did just make up,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: like they were the progenitors of it, because when he
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: first started, like forget the melody, but when he first
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: started putting words to it, he was like I walked
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: down the windy road, like he was just literally saying, shit,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: he's he's a six year old boy. However, how old
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: he was, I'm walking down the windy and she was
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: like you walk down rinding road by yourself, and he's like, no,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: it became a wee thing. It became a my mom
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and me type thing. So that's why I was like,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I can't shake that. Maybe there was some semblance of
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: innocence there.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like with him, that's what she was doing.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: But like she took where he started and was like,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: let me give you one. I think she you know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: when you're a kid and you may not know the
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: origin of something, you just.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Like have it in your brain.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so he probably was just like he had like
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: the nursery rhyding that he probably heard from his mom
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: before when he was younger, the melody, the humming some
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: of it, and probably was just like, I'm gonna use
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: it when I'm talking about what I'm doing. I'm riding
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: down a windy road. And then she was like how
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: much was he actually remember of this because she probably
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: han't spoken to him about it in a while. And
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: then slowly they evolved it into him getting again, changing
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: up the lyrics so that it was about them and
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: not about the original. But I also want to talk
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: about talking of like mothers and songs. We started off
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: like episode eight with Alice, and I was like, wait
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: a minute. For a second, I was like, are you
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: getting that true death?
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Not right? She's back now, girls are fake out.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: She's gone, She's she's out of here. And I was like,
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: but I did appreciate that actress getting a chance to
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: be back. And I feel like the way that Billy
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: is like dealing with the consequence of him being the
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: origin point or whatever for the way the Witch's Road unravels.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: I think we're probably going to see her and Lilia
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: again next season.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Pull me nice, I mean he has oh and I
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: don't know, you're gonna see missus hert what about or Sharon?
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: I hope, I hope. So he didn't forget missus Heart
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: as much as Agatha was like, oh the garden Lady girl.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, since you mentioned Alice, like, I definitely
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: wanted to tap on the fact that when we talked
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: about that the song again being something between a mother
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: and a child, Lorna's version, Lorna Woo's version of it
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: actually being a protection spell for her daughter to keep
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: her alive despite the curse and all this other stuff
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: like that's why I'm just like, damn, you know, there's
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: and you're right, there's like so many different applications for
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: the song and how it's been used and for what purpose?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Right Again, I just thought that was the most coldest
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: thing that Agata ended up using a fucking nursery rhyme
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: essentially to like dead ass. She was the witch that
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: with Hansel and Gretel type shit, right, the witch that
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: just draws people to you on the false pretenses and
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: then finishes you up right like for her a promise
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: of the road.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: But it's not even like it's outside of her modus
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: die because no, I was doing the same thing with
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: like drawing in people with the innocence of her son. Yeah,
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: in order she stuck out their powers. So she was
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: just like, well I don't got him anymore, so I
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: guess they gotta evolve into she.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Has an evolved. And when I say cold, I don't
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: mean like me, and I mean like, yes, that's it
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: within her wheelhouse. I mean that was just like that's wild,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: that's like some that's some that's some wild type shit
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: like for her to be to do that like, and
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: that's why it went back to me, like I don't
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: really like her because the depths of which like she
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: goes through whatever the heartache, she goes through, whatever happens
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: to her, then it's just like, Okay, now the world
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: is gonna suffer, and it's just like damn. And in
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: that way, and also her son questioning him constantly questioning
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: her rather about Mom, do you have to kill the witches?
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Lad dah? And she was like, and he said, why
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: do you do it? She said, I need to survive.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I still am not. I still didn't feel her when
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: she was just like, I needed to survive. Do you
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: have to do that to survive? There's no other way?
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: She was like, well, if they knew, they would kill
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: you know that if we try to be with then
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: it kill us. I'm like, how you know that? Have
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: you even tried to just be with, like find some coven,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: try to find friendship, like I don't even know she tried,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: like she found betrayal with her mom. Okay, but what
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: about everybody else? And maybe that was the big enough scar,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: but it just seemed to me like that's not a
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: real reason. And it's just like her saying, audience a vive,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I don't believe you. No, I also think that.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: I also think it was kind of like interesting that
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Rio whenever she exclaims Alice is like, well your protection
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: which died protecting as if like whatever, which kind of
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: which you are? Not only is that your mission, but
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: it also is like if possible spells your end and
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: like think about leaving the different national witch and then
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: her end being her being able to manipulate the cards
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: to bring down the tower and bring the end. And
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: I wonder about, like we never really heard a term
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: for what kind of witch Agatha is?
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: And do they call the succubist where we read that
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: it's says suckubist, right? Where do we like what?
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: But like this is what everyone else has as something?
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Which what kind of witch is Agatha?
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: And so you said it earlier Her and her relationship
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: with Rio is toxic. It kind of like she's a
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: toxic which and how did she go out toxically like?
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: And so it's very much like every component of her
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: making a step moving forward is going to be the
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: toxic way to do. So I was looking at the
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: titles that were the previous titles, so House of Darkness,
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Coven of Chaos, Darkness Diaries, and then The Lying which
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: and A Great Wardrobe mm hmm, and she's she is.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: She definitely was a lang which with a decent wardrobe.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: Every the whole cast like got really fun wardrobe changes.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: But for me, thinking about if it were like going
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: to be a dark Cold Diaries and maybe there would
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: spend more time on like the Grimoire component. And then
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Billy ends up with the end going to his little
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: grimoire and using that to chant them a new way
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: into the road. I'm intrigued. I think the like so
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: much of the story is about Agatha, as like the
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: title says, but we like we saw an episode like six.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: A good chunk of the story is also about Billy
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: and her talking about the ways that when you mentioned
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: like innocence, her like affinity for Billy comes from the
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: place of where she holds in her heart for the
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: innocence Nicholas reveals towards her that reminds her of Nikki.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: I appreciated that she owned that like before you and
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: I was like, I hope people are not walking away
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: from the show thinking that Agatha sacrificed herself for Reilly
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: because she didn't and the fact that she clarified that
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: I loved because I was like, please, she did not
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: grow heart. She she'll never she like as much as
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: she appreciates him. She did exactly what she was stipulated
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: to do by death. She had Billy sacrificed himself willingly.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: She manufulated him into doing it the way she like
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: she needed him to.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I Agatha is not noble. No, there's there's nothing
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: good about this person. There's nothing also technically bad about her,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: like she's a very I mean.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Beside her being a murder, like a sial killer.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Well, when I say bad, what I mean by that
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: is like those very flat definitions of good and bad
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: that we often give characters without understanding the nuance of
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the gray areas between. Because there's some nuanced in gray area,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: especially now with her as a ghost presumably going way
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: to be helping Billy. Right, And yes, the whole point
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: is help Billy find Tommy. But I'm especially if they
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: continue on with the way I think they are there,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be Billy's Adventures where Billy is a more
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: kind hearted soul who's going to be trying to help people, right,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: and Agava is gonna essentially be helping and Agba, even
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: though it was kind of like a side effect, she
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: ended up helping some of the witches too, So that's
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: why I'm like calling her like just trying to say
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: she's straight bad or straight good. None of those really
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: truly fit.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: One thing about Agatha that I won't take away from her,
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: and I think it's probably where I feel the most
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: connection to her character is that she's clever and she
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: picks up a thing put down, like she learns as
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: she's moving, And I really appreciate that about her. When
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: we see her in her fight with Real and Rio's like,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: how about the death of a thousand cuts, and she's
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: throwing different things at her, Agatha remembers Lilia is selling
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: her when she calls you a coward duck, and she
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: that's like a learning from Lilia. When she gets the
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: cut on her ki Lei's she does the water spell
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: that she saw Gin do, like she picks up on her,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: even though she acts that she don't need a coven.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: If she didn't have a coven, she would not have
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: survived that moment and been prepared to do what she
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: needed to do in order to last until Billy showed up.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: So I appreciate that, Like she shows like she's not
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: she's not gonna she's never gonna be the girl who
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: is gonna boost you up and like tell you you
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: got it, like you girl, you ate Like she's never
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: gonna be be supportive.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: She's never gonna be supportive.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: Never, but she will is like props where they do
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: when she's not being.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Salty, when she's not being selfish, because she is a selfish,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: self centered, egotistical, dramatic character. Herself is so funny. She
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: was talking about the maximumts to being dramatic. She my
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: girl is level ten drama. Like it was like she like,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I know, she's like whenever she.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: Whatever she was saying, or right before she falls into
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: the freaking leaves, I'm like, and that's exactly what happens.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: You're sitting here talking out, running your mouth real hard.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: And then yeah, of course, of course Agatha. Listen, they
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: know Agatha is too good of a character to kill,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: and that's why they had like this out of her
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: being a ghost. Right, it's possible, right, but it's just
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: it's just interesting to see what they're gonna do, and
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: of course how that's going to relate to Rio, how
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: that's going to move forward. Rio did get her bodies
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: that you generally besides Billy, but she got to get
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: the body she wanted. I thought that was very interesting
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: when she made a point to say that she couldn't
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: take or or Agatha surmise that she couldn't take Billy
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: like she would take everybody else. Right, Alie had to
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: give himself up.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: I wrote that down as like, do agathink real have
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: to leve pathy with each other because she well.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: No, I thought Agatha's just very smart and could catch it.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: I know, I know she's like she's been doing that
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: throughout that the series social set, like you can't like
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: she'll be like surmising things. But the way that it
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: flowed it was a little interesting to me.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, they also, as I said, they
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: also been fuck buddies for a century, so like you
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: kind of start knowing people, right if you've been with
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: them that long, you kind of start realizing how they operate,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: and you could probably finish each other's sentences and shit
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, probably, But you know, I also just
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: think like Agatha clocked it and was just like and
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: she just put two two together and just said, oh, okay,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: this is what's going on again. But I thought that
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: was just interesting, like how like that whole rule said
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: about how death works and who death can take and
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: what death can decide, Like even with Nicki when she
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: was like she came because that was his time, and
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: she didn't stop the death of happening. She just said,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I can prolong it.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I really appreciated the fact that.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Rio said.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to find my note about what Rio said,
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: like as like concise and precise about like paraphrasing as
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: I can. But basically when Rio said that that Billy
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: in like taking over that body had the violation violation
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: of a sacred act, like sacred act or something like that.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: And I was like, now that you say something, I
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: could see why death would be very like interested in
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: what Billy's power set and Billy and what he's doing and.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Because nobody's to be doing it besides his mother doing
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: death dream walking death walking Ho called nobody's doing it.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Hmmm, so being in violation. It seems like the Maximas
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: have a tendency to be in violation of some.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Major perpetual line steppers. The Maximovs are habitual line step
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: is I eat Wanda, Billy and soon to be Tommy.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Because he show did get that drown boy.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Let's let's let's touch on that real quick, because again
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: that was also Agatha's doing, Agatha guiding Billy to how
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: he finds and the the body her mentioning there's a
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: new body every one hundred, every one hundred and twenty bodies
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: every minute she said, meaning one hundred and twenty deaths
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: every minute. I was like, Jesus, that's a hell of
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: a metric. But for that to be like, you know,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: do you like, oh, you'll find somebody? And then that
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: whole thing with the drowning like that was morbid. First
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: of all, that was dark, and also I'm just like,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: what is that even tied to? And then it's a
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: kid that's in a family that it was part of
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: a group that they have no family, or people who
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: didn't really love the kid or something like it was
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: for you to be drowned in that way, first of
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: all was absolutely horrendous, but it's a lot. And also
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: that idea again of how witches die drowning being one
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: of them, like that whole tie in it was it
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: was a lot.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Not to say that Tommy's a witch because.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's listen, I it was. That was a
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: lot for me, and like I said, it was getting
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: it got to a dark place. But you know, I
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: get it. Like they're both Tommy and Billy, they're both first,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: but they're supposed to be fucking doing this, okay, but
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: they're going to be born out of trauma right, like
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: they were born out of nothing, right, they were born
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: out of Wanda's fucking imagination essentially, and you know, some
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: some bray kool aid, and now here they are like
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: popping into bodies that were you know, giving up. And
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: then also since this has now happened, it's real going
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: to be stalking them because again, like you've done it twice.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Now you did it first, Billy did it first, accidentally
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: or otherwise, And now here comes Tommy, like like, real's
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: not gonna stand for that because now you're messing with
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: the natural order of things, you're messing with her domain.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: And she don't, she don't rock like that, like that's
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: not how this works here.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: And she got at that, yes, within her realm, not
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: her specific like not precisely exactly where.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: She might have wanted her to go.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Right, She's within the realm of death, whereas the life
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: and that's interesting.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: And let's.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: I'm not like I only know certain things from Marvel
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Lord that has not actually appeared in this to you,
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: I mostly only know them, su and I only know
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: a couple of things from outside of it. But thinking
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: about the were putting all the word together, thinking about thor,
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: love and Thunder.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Where we I hate that film, but go ahead the.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: Way that type of really lost all. That's the whole sidebar.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: I like you see you, Yeah, don't appreciate all the
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: good will I had from the other thor from racknarc
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: going over here.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: We're not no no douty police, tooty police.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: So back to the back to where I was.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: So and the I keep saying the thor, love and
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: thunder when they're in that room of like wonders or whatever,
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: and we see the living tribunal when you keep being
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: in violation of major entities like eternity, death, and we
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: saw a moment of Valhalla, and like we saw our
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: homies in Valhalla. We're getting and we're getting death in
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: this series. You can't tell me that the habitual linesper
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: line of the Maximos will not get us into an
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: interaction with the living tribunal wreaking judgment on all the
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: things that have been going down as they mess with
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: these major entities that no one else has really been
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: ef with like that besides Agatha. And maybe that's partially
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: what we'll see with the journey. I'm not saying what
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: we're seeing living tribunal with again next journey, but maybe
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: we'll see some of the consequences Ability is gonna have
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: to look forward to. If he's playing around with these
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: big boys, big people.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll see them explain that giant celestial in the
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: middle of the fucking Atlantic Ocean or I don't know,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: if you know.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like that's supposed to be I
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: feel like someone like there's a someone hinted that we
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: might get that and something coming up.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're supposed to get that and something. But I'm
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: just saying just to your point of like, now, like
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: there's a whole there's levels upon levels of beings that
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: are now being bothered by the things that these mutants
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: and other people are doing. I'm just like, okay, now,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: like like that's what I'm saying. Like you're talking about
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: an entity, You're not talking about a human, You're not
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: even talking about a person with you're not talking about
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I think you're even going over God's at this point, right,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Like this is like because technically Thor is a god,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: you're going above a god. You're talking about death, You're
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: talking about, as you said, the living try you know,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: you're talking about the Celesthields. All this crazy shit that
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: is just like outrageous, and it does speak very well
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: to the fact that Marvel can do this, like they've
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: done it before. They they fucking made us care about
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: a talking raccoon in a tree, Like y'all can do
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: the outrage of stuff and do it well. And it's
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: just about consistency and just stop the bullshit, really and
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: also the whole thing about running away from or trying
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: to do what the the people, the fanboys right who
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: are always have a problem with Marvel or anybody doing
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: anything different or featuring you know, lgbtqu or featuring women
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: feeduring that, Like it's just like, bro, just let it be.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: You wanna get wild amazing shit like Agatha all along,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Like are you kidding me? That's neither here nor there.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to mention that, but okay, Jen got
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: her powers back. You were fucking right, Portia. I did
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: want to make mention of that to give you your
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: your flowers, that you were right, and she did not
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: in fact have her power. She didn't display them. You know,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: I thought her again, I thought she was a great
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: bartender and that's why she had her powers. And even
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: even Agatha was like, well you got your you did
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: good potions. Wasn't that enough. No, not only did Jen
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: get her powers, but she got her back technically from Agatha,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: who took them from her in the first place. And
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: when I say took them from her, I mean she
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: was responsible for binding Jen. That was another fucked up review.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: I didn't okay, I didn't realize that.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: I didn't know. I didn't like it because, like when
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: you're talking about like like death possibly being the sire
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: of Nikki, not looking that possibility. I didn't like the
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: because like how like wrapped up it is. I don't
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: like how wrapped up the story becomes that, oh all,
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: they didn't actually need to go down the Witch's road
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: the whole time they need to confront Agatha.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: All they had. All they needed was a moment alone.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: With Agatha and then all their issues get cleared up
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: and then because it was like it's Agatha and it's
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: not the kind of witch that Agatha is. She's like
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: the let's talk about like she's like a meditation witch
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: like and that helps you get to what you need
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: to get to. And I'm like, and the timing of
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: it too, was that like Agatha clearly was ready to
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: like give Jen what she wanted. She it was like
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: it wasn't like she was even trying. She was just like,
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, but that was like as soon as you
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: started talking about her being bounded, she was like Aga
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: started making faces like and it's like, girl, if you
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: really wanted to keep it a secret, you win and
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: said nothing like come on.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: But that was also at the end of everything, like
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: it's not like at the very begin first of all,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: you Acta told you what her plan was. At the
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: very beginning, she was gonna kill the most un alive them.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: A said that was her plan from Jump Street because
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: in her and that's why especially she was having the
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: concepts of episode nine. We know like what she said,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: like her sing the song was just a continuation what
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: she had been doing for a century. Right, it's just
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: been or whatever how many years, Right, it's it's the
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: same thing she's been doing in every decade, but this
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: time the road actually appears, and they still even to
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: your point of like, oh they have it was more
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: than just oh they had to have a sit down here,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: like acas still had to go down that road. They
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: still had to have this this this hero's arc flash
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: villain's arc journey to even get to the point where
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Agatha was going to even tell the truth about everything.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: So in that way, I don't feel like it was
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: like just them like, oh, you had you do is
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: talk with Agatha, Like, no, you had to go through
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: something to get there. What I don't like about that
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: was it was Agatha all along. I don't like that.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: I don't like and and and maybe it hurts more
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: big din't like either Jenni's black. But and that's not
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: that they're necessarily reading They can that way. You know,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: as far as she's just gen killed, right, they're not saying, oh,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: she's this black character. There's nothing inherently a culturally American
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: black that she's done that gives that. But from what
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: it looks like phenal typic feotypically, it looks like a
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: black woman. So just to see that happened to her
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: and that she's been bound and betrayed by a betrayer,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: so it shouldn't be a surprise, but it's just like damn.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: But here's this is my problem with how they because
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: again like, oh, just something to talk to Agatha and
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: then you find out that you're actually the power.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Why did Jen think the man did it?
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: Why? Like, why are we just getting how did I
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: get to know that the random spell she did left
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: her sickret trying on Gin. We didn't get any scene
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: where she like rents into the gen like previous to
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: this whole series and she like says something to her
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: and then she's like, oh crap, that's a some of
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: my magic that's on her.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Do we have to do that scene? I feel like.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: For us to get just a wrap up of like, oh, oopsie,
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: it was me. I used to do spells for funds
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: back in the day. It really feels like a like
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: it's like.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Spells for hire is what she said she got doing it.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it honestly feels like a level of disrespect
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: to the power of Gin of course, and like and
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: I understand that being like a like even if again,
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: if that's just part of the storyline, of like that
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: was I got this life along the way cool, But
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: I feel like it's more disrespectful to just make it
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: in a side like oh, how did she know that
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: she did that to Gin?
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: What is that? And oh that was what bothered me
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: about it? Well she, I mean she knew. My thing
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: is listen, it's supposed to make us mad, right, let
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: alone the whole black woman thing, Like, just from a
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: characterization perspective, it's supposed to make us mad. It's supposed
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: to be wild, disrespectful. Do you see how Agatha treats
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: people that she don't give a fuck about. They are
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: a speed bump if that in her life, right, They
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: are an also ran, an afterthought, third fill, little NPC
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: whatever you want to say. What she did to Gen
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: was just a whatever type situation and oh I happen
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: to run into you again, and it is what it is.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: You see how she treated people like Sharon, like people
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: who she don't see as on her level, she's not
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: gonna have a level of care or really willingness for them,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: like it's going to be disrespectful at all costs. And
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: that was very purposeful and it was just beyond the pail,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: like you saw how Jen was crying, screaming one hundred
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: years one hundred right, like to be and to be
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: you and you were the one. You was there the
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: whole time. It was you all along. I'm fucking walking
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: this road with you, trying to think it about saving
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: your life sometimes thinking about helping your wist talking about
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: helping you. And this is what you did to me,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Like the truth came out this way and Akatha don't
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: got aka thea don't got that empathy. She just like, yeah, bitch,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: I did that. Like it's supposed to make us mad. Yes,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: is it fair to that character? No, but anyone who
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: encounters Agatha is subjected to unfair treatment beyond the pale.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: I think that sets us up for the advantage of
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: her killing multiple covens, of which is time after time
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: after time after time, and how holy.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Just like and.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: It's that this would have been one not to not
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: to be that girl. But this is one of the
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: moments where I was like, they all gotta be multicultural covens.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: Can you just take up?
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, they have to be about that cultural coven She
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: likes the flavors of the week Man. Butter what she said,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: butter pecan chocolate. The looks that's Agatha when she goes picking,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: who's she going to you know, suck you by that day?
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: Like it was incredible. She just went through all of
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: the cuisines of the world and kept it pushing.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: And that's why I feel like the Salem seven has
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: got to reappear because she's she will have to answer
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: for her crime.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Well I don't know. Well also because what the real say.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Rio's like, oh, you got all these bodies, including the
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Salem seven. So I'm like, was that a confirmation at
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: the Salem seven was you know, out the paint.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: But she's a ghost now and they're also dead, and
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: who says they're not ghost? Struggle around that.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: What do they explain when the episode with Agatha's mom
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: as a ghost, they said, why do ghost appear like
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: if they have unfinished business or finished business? And it's
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: like like a very strong, tied unfinished business. And you
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: did have a whole situation last episode where you said,
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: well they Saam seven could be so compelled you know,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: by like whatever spell whatever it is that they are
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: that they just dead ashes won't stop. That could be
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: a thing. Maybe we'll see that, but yeah, I just man,
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: I Ah, that's tough how they treated how they treated
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: jen Kle. Now for her to be now fully powered
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: up again, and the way she flew she she did
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: was called the Witch. She get a fool on star witch.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: But my good sister flew the fuck up out of
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: there like she I oh like I was like like
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: and it was like no hesitation, like when she when
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: that one loan tier, like the on free tier, like
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: she was giving storm on that ship like she really was.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: She was given the if y'all watched X Men ninety
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: seven when it's just like I'm unbound, I'm unchained, I
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: have my powers back. That that realization of crowing into
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: your own I know, that realization of coming into your
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: own and being like, I'm back, bitches, like that was
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: something that was in some ways it was very scary too,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: because yes, like now she's she's unbound. She she's back
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: in her glory and she's angry as fuck. She is
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: angry as fuck, and it was Agatha and it was Agatha.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Now what's going to happen and what's going to happen
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: to the later people? Like what if she runs back
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: into Billy and she sees that a ghost Agatha is
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: tagging along like how she gonna cheat, how she gonna
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: treat or care about Billy or not care about the
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: nigga right like it's a it's just another really like
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: juicy soap opera part of all of this, right like
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: I said, yes, it's fucked that would happen to her,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: and I don't like it. But at the same time,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: it's just like, well, this makes for great TV because
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: now she has ops. She I mean, ACTA always has ops,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: but like now we're talking about addition, like multi.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: Now a coven member has survived.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: That happened hell, because remember she said, she said, well,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: technically you saved your point. That's the first time that's happened.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Most of them get got so the one listen. And
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: you were also right when you were like you had said,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: like early on, you were like, has act that actually
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: ever been down the road? The answer is no, because
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: the road didn't fucking exist. Is that it was something
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: created from.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: Okay okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: She has never been out no damn roll. The road
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: didn't exist.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: Here's my question, here's my here's my closet. I don't
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: want to believe I am tinker Bell. I am giving
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: Tinkerbell vibes. I want to believe. I want to clap
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: my hands and believe in tinker Bell. I don't think
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: that the road is faked.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: You're giving X files. I want to believe. Like, no, girl,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think the road is paked.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: I think that every time Agatha was using utilizing it,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: she had bad intention.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: She didn't actually plan to use the road, and I
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: because she was surprised a foot when that door popped up.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, because intention is behind witchcraft, it's a behind spell magic.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: So not the road not existing may have happened for
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: Agatha doesn't mean other witches haven't had an opportunity to
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: go on the road and it actually happened. It's just
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: that whenever Agatha has tried to invoke the Witch's Road,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: it has not because her intention has never been to
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: actually go down the road.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: I think that's a cute theory. I'm going to keep
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: that on your side of the debate table, Thinker Belt,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: on my side of the debate table. This was all
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Billy's faults. Okay, he is his mother's child.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: I don't I don't I don't take away from that.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying and just to be clear, I'm
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying it's just a
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: different way of thinking about it. I'm gonna let that stand.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: The way I'm standing that is Wanda's pickney them. Wanda
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: manipulates reality. Wanda them boys is of her warped reality.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: And we're supposed to return back to him when she
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: folded the hecks, but did not. That boy cannot didn't
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: know how the fuck he even got there in the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: first damn place. Okay, he don't know how he jumped
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: into the next body. It was just there. And he's
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: so talented and whatever I got to lie to him about.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: He don't know the extent of what he can do,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: and he will not know for some time. He is
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: still in training them training wheels are firmly stile on.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: He barely he barely got his new fit on. Okay,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: I refuse His little grimoire is tiny. It's so, it's
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: so cute. He did that the strength. It's It's the
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: thing about Wanta is, even though all that was intentional
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: on that stuff, there was still also a piece of
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: There was a there was a mental break that she
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: had as well. Okay, at the end of I think
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: we can agree to some effect that Wanda also went
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: through a mental break, she went through a reality break
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff. And that's why Wana Vision became
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: a thing. That boy is his mother's son. It's going
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: it's also going through that and has gone through it.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Literally went through that when his soul jumped into another
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: body that was leaving. And now you playing the role
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: of or trying to live a double life, you gotta
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: the split lifeline, right, So I just think it's just
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: more of the same. It's more of it's more of
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: that power manifesting in strange ways. This show, Agatha is
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: a child of WandaVision. WandaVision was all about bringing the
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: imagination and fiction into reality and then moving through life
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: as if that is reality and warping that reality. Billy
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: is doing and has done the same thing. He moved
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: his whole damn attic into this place that wasn't really there.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: He wanted this place to be so bad, just like
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Wanda wanted to have kids so bad she willed them
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: into existence. He wanted to reach the road or something
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: he read or her again, just like all the other
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: witches of hundreds of years past. They read about the road,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: and Lorna will got the the road is a thing.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: The road is a thing because it's a fairy tale
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: and you want it to be real, so damn bad
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: that you will allow that to permeate your psyche. Couple
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: that with someone who has reality bending powers, you get
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: what we saw, which was this this show that's that's
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: ain't no way but oh wait, and what is a
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: gonna do? She capitalized duty.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: I also feel like the fact that Agata the whole
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: time we were question like just at the I love
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: that the reveal of like the question has been has
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: I had ever really been here?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Like did she even go here? The reveiling No, but
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: she's been out.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: She's been hating from outside the club for centuries, and
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: so when she says, oh, I've been down the road,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: She've been down the road of using the idea of
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: the road people.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: You've been down the road of being.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: Cat of being a serial killer. Yeah, even not narrow.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: So I just it.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: That was a fun thing for me, And I think,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: like to your point about like this all being the
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: maxim off reality again, it's gonna come the living tribe
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: like y'all are gonna get seen by the folks like
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: y'all can't and I and all of this is stemming
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: from the fact and I know that you have strong
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: words for want of Maximov, but all of us are
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: stemming from the fact of Wanda like like mother, like child,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: and Wanda so wanted children from a place that like
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: that was not that was impossible to happen, and will
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: them into being that they when they are in this world,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: cannot fathom the reasoning behind while why willing someone into
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: being is a problem because their mama made them so.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: And I just think.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: There's a problem when you have the power to actually
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: And I think I hear with great power comes great responsibilities.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: And I really empathize with Billy. I feel like there's
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: some parts of his character that I can really enjoy,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: like seeing like what could grow from that. But I
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: also think that the thing about being a teenager not
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: for me to go into my older bag talking to
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: the younger didn't thing, but then like a sixteen year
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: old who was actually yeah, So the thing about being
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: a teenager is you are aware of how much you
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: have to grow and learn from the world.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: You know that you're not fully grown.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: You know that there's so much to go before you
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: really step into adulthood, and you're willing to take those
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: lessons and learn those things at the same time you're not.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: You're growing up and understanding more and more. Why the
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: ways of the world as grown ups have around you
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: have shown it doesn't gel with how you're understanding how
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: to move around in the world.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: The naivety that he brings to trusting Agatha.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: When he again and again and again when he pops.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: Up and his full wickaned regalia from his fingers. Oh
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: my question was, Okay, has this cost him been in
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: the cars back in the trump this whole time or
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: did he just like manifest it.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: He manifested it just like his mother.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: But he showed up at the door at his parents'
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: crib and his red urdecular clothes. So it kind of
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: gives me like you got a kit in the backseat
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: or something anywayman, But for me like him popping up
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: when the powers blowing a glow and all that right
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: when Agatha most needed him, and be like being trusting
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: and being like, don't take all of it, and trusting
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: her now to take all of it. I was like,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: this boy, why you got a death wish?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Because he's an idiot. But he's young. He's young, he's
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: not even when I say he's an idiot, just mean
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: that would love like I do, like he like even
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: to the end, he's even. He trusts her over and
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: over and he trusts her at the end when he
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: was like okay, and first of all, this this episode
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: is very funny too. Episode nine, she was like, go ahead,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: you can take me, and the Agatha looks at him
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: and is like, yeah, take him. And the look on
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: his face like, oh you you sowed me out. I'm like,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: she been doing this? What did you expect? What's not clicking?
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: This is Agatha? And he was like you was you really?
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: You really gonna tell me up? And then he tried
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: to do the whole, the whole, Agatha, I know you
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: hear me? Agatha, Agatha, I know you hear me? Is
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: this how your son? God?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: It's just so funny to me, Like in some ways
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: they're manipulating each other too. This goes back to what
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: do we say, what are witches? What are witches if
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: not manipulators? Right? Sounded like vision? Right? What is what
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: is grief is not love endearing whatever he said? Right, girl?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: You know, I know my line doesn't actress.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, I just it's just it's just another toxic relationship.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: The toxicity of Agatha, and I just I honestly I appreciate, Like,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: is this not being a person living in the world.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: Are we not surrounded by toxicity and people who matipulate you?
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: And sure, I have.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: To learn that lesson sooner or later is over again
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: with the same person.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: And that's why.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: But here's the thing. When you're a teenager, I don't
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: even when did you say teenager? There's still grown adults
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: to do this stuff too. When you are in a
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: certain mindset, you think there's the I've not been that girl,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: but I know that the folks would be like, I
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: can fix.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Him, right kind of girls. Yeah. Yeah. And at the end,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: he also admires acta like. Regardless of how she much
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: he may dislike her, he still admires her and looks
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: at her as a mentor and recognizes her power and
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: wants to learn from her.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: And it's not like his mama said to take him
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: under her wingstone.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: No, and his his his his, you know, Earth six
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: one six parents or whatever earth we on right now?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Ain't doing it? So and also for them, nay, but
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: like you're going twenty four hours where you've been? How
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: do you answer that? And then where is he going?
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Because he left again? So I'm like, is he just
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: gonna like you know, he's gonna live his life normal?
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: Then on the weekends him and Agatha have these Scooby
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Doo adventures like how they how is this gonna work?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: Or is he just gonna leave home? Because at the
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: end of the day, he's still like sixteen seventeen, right, yeah,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not even legal.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: There's so many questions about that, right because it's like.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: Like he's on his ash ketchum right now. I'm like, there's.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: Whenever there is talking whenever she was talking about Wanda,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: I was like, there's no way this lady returns to
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: the NCU, does not find out about Billy and Tommy,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: and doesn't wreck his whole home life.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: Like this is not gonna last. That's all I said.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: When I'm just like Brad, like what are you thinking?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: But to your point, he's a teenager. It's a complicated
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: and toxic relationship with Agaba. It is what it is.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: Like I said, I did, just there were some there
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: were funny moments, and that's also why I enjoy this
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: series so much, or this season, whatever it was going
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: to be, it's funny, right, Like I was dying when
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: he was leaving, after he put he like sealed the
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: door and made it like a tune and with the
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: names for the inscription for like Lily and them, And
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: he was leaving a house and everybody's looking at him.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: He put on his hood like his mom's and then
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: gets to his super ruined drives away, and I could
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: not stop laughing because I was like, bitch, why don't
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: you just fly away?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: You got to get the car back home to his pace.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: You got to make sure that that story staying place.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: You can't come back home and be like where your car?
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: Because that's that's that's too far.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: I got too far and and and perhaps that's a
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: great plot hole that they didn't want to have, but
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: I was also just like, girl, you can fly, Like
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: what are we doing? Why are we doing the product
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: right now?
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: Respectful to the Westview folks, He was like, maybe they
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: don't want to. They shouldn't see another witch floating around
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: over here before they get traumatization.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Forrester, he advertising one because I remember the name of
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: the car. But my god, I don't want to traumatize,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: he spoke to any further. I'm gonna just girl, a
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: regular girl. You don't even drive around and cute.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: You just he is a teenager. He's taking whatever car
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: his parents gonna get.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: It's just funny to me, a teenager that got powers
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: almost damn near limitless, and your ass is driving around
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: in a soccer mom car.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: I appreciate him keeping up a facade.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: I just it was just so funny to me because
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: they again they made us seem so dramatic, and then oh,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: I gotta get out of here. The paparazzi let me
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: jump into my scooter like It's just it just was
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: incongruent with the level of the level that it was
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: supposed to give. This oh deep emotion, oh deep drama,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: and we're gonna go putt put away, and you know,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: my my scion, my prius, whatever it was, So it
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: is what it is.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: What was life for the most dramatic? Mm hmm when
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: in your life time haven't been the most dramatic.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: When I was a teenager, I think actually I'm more
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: dramatic now, I mean, look at what I got on.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: I'm dramatic technically saying, uh, but you know, I'm sure
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: some adults would be like, m, I don't know, kid teenager,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: he was pretty drunk. No, I just I don't know.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: I know. I was actually a very child, so I
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: wasn't doing that fun shit. But I will say if
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: I was Billy, I would have flew the fuck away
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: and I would have.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: I would have magic my car home, like I'm.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Saying, And that goes back to what I'm saying. It's
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: just like now we're picking and choosing, like when he
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: does no magic, when he doesn't know magic, when he
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: does when he does, it's not.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: Like he's strong in his magic.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: No, he's not. And I said that he's not.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: He's not.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: He's still training, he's still learning.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: He got them, he had, the training was still on,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: and I feel like that's partially why he gave back
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: of them the magic, because he's like, I can't trust
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: myself going against death because I know I'm gonna lose
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: that fight real quick. I'm gonna just pass on to you.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: But stupidly because like, anyways, yeah, did.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: You think that was gonna kill him.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: I was like, look, the only thing that was like
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: the only reason why she might not kill the boys
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: because she got this deal with Rio. Other than that,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: I really think it's so stupid. Yeah.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: I also also still and like, as we're wrapping up,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: I just I also still don't believe Agaba has to
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: do that to revive. I think there's another way. She
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: just doesn't because she likes it and has an addiction.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: I think there's another way for her to live. I
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: think she could be fine. She she'll figure it out
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: some other way that there's no you. I don't believe
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: that one bit she's willingly being this way.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: I honestly question at what point, Like Billy, this is
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: gonna classic. I feel like it's gonna go very classic
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: teenager way where Billy has like made friends with this
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: person who doesn't like his mom, and then whenever his
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: mom comes around.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: He cain't gonna be friends with your mom's op her
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: like top the number one op too, Like that's kind
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: of funny.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: He's gonna be friends with his mom's a and then
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: when his mom comes back around, he's gonna be like,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: what do you at least she was here for me,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: you weren't here for me, blah blah blah, and then
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: she's gonna be like, word, all right, well, then let's
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: talk about your friend over here. She Let's talk about
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: how she tracked me down and set up what your
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: father was doing for a love and family thing. It's
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: working twist the thing. She was ready to kill you
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: and me in the freaking streets, and you over here
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: making her your mentor and you love her more than
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: your mother.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is very this is this is very daytime.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: He's very young and restless of the m c U
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: and with it.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: Is what was the magic one? That was a soap opera?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: Was it like it was Passions or something like that?
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: Like they at some point they started to have a
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: magic in there. I didn't watch it, but I heard
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: about it, and then I turned it on. I was like,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: oh no, this ain't doing it.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: I know Ben, I mean's gonna talk more about this
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: because he's more well versed. But he did mention that
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: this this these last two episodes had big, wicked and
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: divine implications. So for those who read the read the
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: book of the books series, The Wicked and the Divine,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: Jamie McKelvey and friends, Like, I did see a lot
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: of parallels. I don't know if you've read read I
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: did see a lot of parallels. He'll he'll talk. I'm
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: gonna let him talk more about it because I want
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: to know precisely because he felt it was super super strong,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: and I want to know more about his take on
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: what that, why that was. But beyond that, like, what
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: did we did You get to touch upon everything you
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: wanted to about the two episodes, about the implications of
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: what happens now, Like did we even do we talk
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: about everybody that needed to be talked about.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: The only thing that we didn't talk about that and
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: it's not even a big thing, It's just something that
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: I really appreciated.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Was that.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: Remember how I mentioned the fact that when Agatha was
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: having her delusion and her neighbors were playing into it.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: When you see the playback from Billy's point of view,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: we don't see Rio, and like none of the neighbors
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: really seem to have seen Rio either, so it was
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: only Agatha who saw her. How well written that is that?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: Like in the episode eight, whenever they're having the scent
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: off in front of her house and all the neighbors
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: see are the clouds that they hear they can hear
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: des cackle, but they are and so they're like, it's
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: just happening again. So like if they know it's some
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: level of like witchcraft, but it is, they don't see death.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, that's very like on the nose of
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: how death only appears when it's ready for you to
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: see it, when it's your time. And so for the
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: mortals to just not have any idea what was happening,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: And then for even for Billy, who is a witch
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: and also like has like dealings within the death realm,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: to not have originally seen Reo the first time around,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: but only in like having a relationship with Rio of
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: some sort being able to see her now. I was like,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: I really appreciated how they played up that entity and
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: the magic and the way that death works within this world.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: I agree, and I still feel I still feel so
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: bad for those west few people, man like they cannot.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: Catch a brick. Do they know their neighbors? Do they
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: know that Miss Sharon Davis is gone?
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: Who knows?
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: Who knows?
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: Stuff just happens to those people, And for them to
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: still be living together, because you know, like you know,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: trauma bonding, but stuff just keeps it happening. Stuff is
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: just like you know, I would have you know, I
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: don't even know if I would have left West View too.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: Is like when you're that damage, it's just like where
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: do you go right?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: And how do you live around? And are they gonna
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: like what it? So then I'm sorry. So that was
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: the last thing. But the actual last thing is to
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: the the theory about the songs at the end and
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: they're being deafs. And then we got Agatha as a
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: ghost but not dead, and there was no theme music
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: change for that episode where she like she died in
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: episode eight, and then we get to episode nine and
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: she's a ghost. There is no theme song change at
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: the end credits for.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: It wasn't on either of them, Nope.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: And so at the end of episode nine we did.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: The only end credit change we get is that instead
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: of there being the road represented with the like title card,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: it's Billy's room, right, And I appreciated.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: That because Billy's room is the road was Billy's room.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: And all the clues that are laid out and the
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: end credits are all around Billy's wall, So it's been
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: Billy's room all the time. So Billy's Agatha all along,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: but Billy's room the whole time.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: That should be the full title of this show, right,
• 1:22:03
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• 1:22:06
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• 1:22:10
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• 1:22:14
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• 1:22:17
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• 1:22:23
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• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: Passed has really got us in its grasp.
• 1:22:28
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• 1:22:33
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• 1:22:35
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• 1:22:39
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• 1:22:42
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• 1:22:44
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• 1:22:47
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• 1:22:49
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• 1:22:52
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• 1:22:54
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• 1:22:58
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