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Is Smokey Saint A Pedophile? | TTOR VS Smokey Saint LIVE DEBATE! · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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Ladies and gentlemen, may I have your attention please?
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The show stops in 58765. The.
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The. The.
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The. Hello there everyone.
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Welcome to GOD TV Radio. Take it away, Brett.
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Hello ladies and gentlemen, my name is Brett Keene from GOD TV
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Radio. I hope you're all having a
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wonderful day out there and hopefully you'll enjoy the show.
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Today we are going to have a debate where TTOR and Smokey St.
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are going to try to figure out if Smokey St. is a person named
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Josh and if he's a convicted pedophile.
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That's what the debates about. This is actually what Smokey
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himself initiated and requested. I could show you right here, he
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said. Are you guys able to see my
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screen? Yeah, give me one.
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Second, All right. Put it up on the screen so I can
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make sure everybody understands why we're even doing this.
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Your friend TTOR 13 is too cowardly and immoral to confront
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me on my platform with his lies, slander, and false accusations.
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His Christian morality is fake, so ioffer the alternative.
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I challenge him on your platform to a neutral exchange where he
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can give his arguments to support his lying, false
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accusations against me and his idolatry of the government and I
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can respond the cross examine his felicious epistemology.
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Let me know if you're willing when this can be arranged.
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So obviously it's been arranged and the discussion can go first.
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We're going to start with TTOR. He's going to present what he
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believes in his perspective to be solid evidence and then we
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will let Smokey respond to the information that is presented.
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TTOR, Are you ready? Sure am.
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So when it comes to answering the question of whether or not
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Smokey St. is a convicted pedophile, we have to answer the
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question, is he in particular? In particular, Joshua Nathan
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marks her bell because that is what's at the crux of whether or
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not Smokey St. is a convicted pedophile.
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So we're going to go through several video clips as well as a
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couple of pictures. And we're also going to screen
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share an important document that Smokey St. has a problem with,
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but we'll get to that much later.
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So first we're going to look at a 45 second clip of Smokey St.
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in a recent live stream that he did.
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And it's only for one reason that we're showing this clip to
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establish what Smokey St. looks like, what he sounds like, his
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speaking mannerisms, etcetera, just so we know who we're
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talking about before we get into any of the other things.
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And with that I will play the first clip.
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Live a good life, give into the work of the Holy Spirit,
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Synergize with the work of the Holy Spirit.
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You know, strive for good works. You know, abstain for
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immorality. You know, all these things that
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are typically, you know, traditionally expected of a
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Christian inside the Church of Christ and just do that, you
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know, start with free grace. It's fine.
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Leave it for a nanosecond or a second or a day or, I don't
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know, whatever it is that you know, they ultimately decide is
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is enough. You give the mental assent to
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free grace. You don't have to have any
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demonstration of change or alteration in your viewpoint or
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perspective or a change in your belief network or a change in
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your perspective or decisions or judgments.
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None of that. You have to worry about that.
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You know, just just have that little bit of intellectual
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assent and you're good. A lot good.
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So we know what Smokey said, we know what Smokey St. sounds
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like, we know what he looks like.
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We got his mannerisms figured out from that clip.
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So now we can go into other things.
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Now, I don't know. Smokey denies this currently or
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not, but I know some of his fans and followers deny that he is
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the one who spoke to Jesse Lee Peterson in 2018 on Jesse Lee
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Peterson's show. So now we're going to look at a
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47 second clip of that particular episode of Jesse Lee
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Peterson's show, and then we will do some analysis of that
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clip. The biblical scholarships, Why
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do you need them if the Holy Spirit would teach you all
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things? Well, because the Holy Spirit
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will also teach us through the the teachings of other people,
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through the revelations that have been given to them.
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And it's not, you see, you're, you're saying it all comes from
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inside and inside, period. Yes.
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OK, well, OK. Well, well, then that's
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invalidating whether or not the Holy Spirit could use someone
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having a revelation like yourself, a revelation about the
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necessity of forgiveness and forgiving your parents.
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And we would say, well, unless it comes from inside, unless
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it's a revelation from inside, it has no weight or measure.
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Therefore whatever Jesse say, says can be, you know,
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disavowed. So you're you're actually
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defeating your own arguments, unfortunately.
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So as we can see from that particular clip, even though it
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is 7 years old, that is definitely Smoky saying.
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He's got the same balding head up top, he's got the glasses,
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he's got the same eyes, the same mouth shape, the same nose.
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Even though he's got only the full goatee instead of the full
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beard, it looks exactly like Smokey St. when he has the full
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beard, especially if you look at the facial hair around the mouth
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area. That in particular is a dead
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ringer. But more importantly than those
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things, it is the voice that definitely identifies this as
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Smokey St. even though he is 7 years younger in this clip and
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therefore sounds slightly different.
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That's acceptable because as everyone knows, as you age, your
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voice changes. But that's definitely Smokey
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voice, and that's definitely Smokey speaking mannerisms when
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he talks theology. So I think it's pretty safe to
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establish at this point that Smokey St. is the person who was
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talking to Jesse Lee Peterson on that show back in 2018.
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Now that we know that Smokey St. has been on the Internet for a
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while, we know what he sounds like in 2025 versus 2018, what
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he looks like now versus what he looked like then.
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We're going to go ahead and look at Joshua Nathan Marks her bell
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because as you'll see from the mug shots, we're about to be
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looking at dead ringer, absolute dead ringer.
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So what we see here on screen is from the North Carolina State
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Bureau of Investigation. This is their sex offender
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registry website, as we can see from the URL,
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sexoffender.ncsbi.gov. And we got one, Joshua Nathan
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marks her bell. We got a front shot and we got
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the two side profile shots. As you can see, if you're
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looking at this from the viewing audience, whether it's live or
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whether it's after the fact, this is Smokey St.
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Same balding head up top, same eyes, same nose, same mouth, the
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full beard, just like you. See you a Smokey St. today.
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No glasses in these pictures, but I don't think they let you
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wear glasses when they take your mug shot, so that's
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understandable. And if you look at this after
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the fact, while make the link to this particular thing available
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after the stream is done, those watching can go look at it for
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yourself and draw your own conclusions.
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But this is a dead ringer for Smokey St. here.
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All the same distinguishing physical features that you see
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with Smokey St. So now we know what Smokey St.
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looks and sounds like. We know that Joshua and Nathan
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marks her bell looks exactly the same as Smokey St.
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So we know that Joshua and Nathan marks her bell is a
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registered sex offender. He committed liberal indecency
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against a minor specifically when she was 13 years old in
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January of 2004, which by definition makes Joshua Nathan
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marks her bell a convicted pedophile.
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You have to be a convicted pedophile to make that list.
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So with that in mind, there is an evidence live stream that
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Smokey St. did where basically he claims to have proved his
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innocence and that he never molested this girl back in 2004.
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But we're going to look at one particular clip of the live
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stream which is very relevant. I skipped the first 3 minutes of
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the video they were looking at because basically what they do
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is they try to frame Smokey St. slash Joshua Nathan marks her
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bell as being a victim of the Me Too movement by giving a history
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lesson on the history of the Me Too movement.
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But after they finish that segment, we see this clip.
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Flash forward to 2017, when Joshua Nathan marks her bell of
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Southern California, was accused in much the same vein as the
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aforementioned women previous by a woman in her early 30s in
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North Carolina. This is the topic of today's
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video essay, and this is his story.
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The woman in question, who we will call for our purposes
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today. Satori quote UN quote alleged
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that when she was 13 years old in 2004, Josh started an
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intimate sexual relationship with her that was illicit,
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illegal and predatory in nature, sending inappropriate messages
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of a sexual nature to her on a website called Gaia Online.
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According to one of her provided witnesses in a post interview on
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a channel called Fix Shades, her mother reported that she knew
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about the relationship but did not approve.
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Joshua was facing 25 years in federal prison and a lifetime on
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the sex offenders registry list. And at that time, in 2017 / a
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decade later, and in fact almost and in fact almost 2 decades
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later, he pled guilty to indecent liberties of a minor
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getting what was essentially a slat of arrest.
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So when you look at the court documents and you take that
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video into account, Joshua and Nathan Marks Herbell not only
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was charged with, I believe it was 4 counts of statutory rape
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and three of liberal indecency with a minor, he also chose to
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represent himself in court instead of hiring an attorney.
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And as the court documents show, and as we saw in that clip, and
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as we're going to see in a clip from the victim here in this
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minute, Joshua Nathan Marks Herbell pled guilty to one of
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the charges. I believe it was of liberal
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indecency with a minor. He was facing 25 years in a
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federal prison and life on the sex offender registry.
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But by taking a plea deal and pleading guilty to one of these
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charges, well then he avoids jail time and he's able to have
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the possibility of being removed from the sex offender registry
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after 10 years, which would be March 30th, 2032 if you do your
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math right. So that's what happened in terms
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of his conviction, in terms of how he represented himself in
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court and how he pled. Now I want to look at 2
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particular clips by the victim who went on to Thick Shades live
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stream back in 2022. And after we've watched both
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clips, there's a point I'd like to make.
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Yeah. And also we have someone else.
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Satori. She was here before.
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How are you Satori? You can introduce yourself.
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You know, and, and tell me, tell us why you think that this is
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quite important. Hi guys.
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I'm Satori Kent. You are wrong and I happen to
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know that you were wrong. I'll just go right ahead and say
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it. Let me start out by saying I am
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in no way going to sit here and say that Joshua is Smokey, and
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you'll probably understand in just a moment why I am going to
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say that. I'm not going to sit here and
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tell you all that he is who he is because I don't know who
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Smokey is. I do know who Joshua is.
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I will tell you that I know for a fact that Joshua and Nathan
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Marks Herbal was in Courtroom 5310 and pled guilty to a charge
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of indecent liberties with a child because I was that child.
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I'm the victim in that case. Now on the clip.
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The Smokey sounds like Josh. I think that is that is for you,
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Satori. The Smokey sounds like Josh.
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I'm going to be very, very careful here and say that I am
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not going to say at any point that Smokey is Josh because I'm
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I'm not going to put myself in that position.
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Right. Do I think they sound the same?
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I think they sound the same. Now, there's an important
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question that must be asked. When you look at these two clips
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in their totality, the victim says that Joshua and Smokey St.
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sound exactly the same, but she's not willing to positively
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ID Smokey St. as Joshua and Nathan marks her bell.
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Why? Well, we know why if we do a
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little bit of thinking. You see, back in 2022, Smokey
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St. never showed his face on camera during any of his live
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streams. And in the case of the victim,
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she didn't want to just say Smokey St. was Joshua based on
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only voice identification. She wanted to be able to see
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what Smokey St. looked like because she didn't just want to
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match a voice to a voice, she wanted to be able to match a
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voice to a voice and a face to a face.
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And because she didn't know what Smokey St. looked like, she
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wasn't willing to say that Smokey St. and Joshua Nathan
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marks her bell or the same person based on voice alone.
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Now it is interesting to note that when reacting to this back
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in the day, Smokey St. here actually committed a Freudian
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slip. Don't you think you know, it's
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funny? That bitch never confirmed that
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I was Smokey. And she knows what my voice
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sounds like. And she knows what that guy's
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voice sounds like, and she saw the images, but she would never
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confirm it. Of all people, wouldn't she be
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the one to confirm it? I'm going to try playing that
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clip again because I just had a little blip in my Internet.
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Don't you think it's funny that bitch never confirmed that I was
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smoky and she knows what my voice sounds like, and she knows
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what that guy's voice sounds like and she saw the images, but
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she would never confirm it. Of all people, wouldn't she be
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the one to confirm it? So we see in that particular
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clip, Smokey doesn't say, well, shouldn't she be able to
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positively identify me as Joshua?
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Nathan marks her bell based on The Voice and the images.
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No, he says. Shouldn't she have been able to
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identify me as Smokey? He's talking as if he is Joshua.
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Nathan marks her bell. The biggest Freudian slip I have
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ever seen. Now, when it comes to
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establishing that Smokey St. is Joshua and Nathan marks her
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bell, it takes more than a Freudian slip to establish that
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connection. And that's where this next clip
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comes in handy. Do you recognize this person?
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He looks extremely familiar for being at the courtroom, Yes.
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OK. So can you say that he's
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actually at the court courtroom? Yes.
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OK, so he was definitely not in noise arc for example.
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In other words, he was saying that he was the since the Brown
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background. And all that.
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And he said that he was in some noise.
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Ark Park and. The the person who I can tell
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you most definitely was there was the other person in the
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picture who was sucking down the water.
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Right, right. I mean like paying.
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That much attention to that person.
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This one, the one sucking down the water with that, you know, I
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mean, look at the face. So relieved.
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It's like, oh, I avoided the. Prison time kind of thing.
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So as we can see from that clip, the victim positively identified
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Kenny Rhodes as being in the courtroom with Joshua.
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And this is very important because Kenny Rhodes is,
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According to him, the personal pastor of Ken of Smokey St.
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Or at least he was back in 2022 when he was running around all
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of our live streams trying to defend Smokey Saints.
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And this is important because during this time it was revealed
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by Kenny Rhodes that him and Smokey St. were going on a road
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trip and that they were going to go visit some art exhibit,
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whatever. Which is why Thick Shades
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mentioned it in that clip. But what we actually discover is
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that Kenny Rhodes was in the exact same courtroom or this
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court day went down and where Joshua and Nathan marks her bell
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was pleading guilty to committing a sex crime against a
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minor. So you look at the pictures here
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because you can't look at him closely enough.
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In a 52nd clip, that's Kenny Rhodes wearing a blue collared
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shirt with what looks to be a dark Gray jacket.
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And then you look at the second picture that was in that clip.
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You can see that even though there's a woman standing in
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front of him, that's Kenny Rhodes behind her.
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You can see the blue collar. You can see the Gray jacket arm.
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You can see his hair kind of sticking out from the other side
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of her head. And the one sucking down the
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water, Joshua Nathan marks her bell, as you can see, is Smokey
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St. He's got the same balding head
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up top, the same full beard, the same mustache between the nose
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and the mouth. The nose and the mouth look
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identical to Smokey St. and that's really very crucial
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because Kenny Rhodes being there would not be a thing if Smokey
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St. was not Joshua Nathan marks her bell.
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It just wouldn't be. I mean, I guess Smokey St. could
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say it's just an incredible coincidence that Kenny Rhodes
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just happened to be there. But if Smokey St. and Joshua and
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Nathan Marks her bell are the same person, and Smokey Saints
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pastor, the personal pastor of Smokey St. is Kenny Rhodes, well
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then it makes all the sense in the world that Kenny Rhodes was
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there at this particular court date on March 30th, 2022.
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It's because he was being there to be in solid solidarity with
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Smokey St. So I think when you add up all
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the video clips and you look at the mug shots and the sex
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offender registry and you compare the courtroom pics to
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all of those like we just saw. And then you factor in the fact
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that Kenny Rhodes was there at the court date, at the court
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hearing, when we know full well that Kenny Rhodes was the
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personal pastor of Smokey St. And then after this conviction
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happened, Kenny Rhodes spent the next couple of months going on
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to everyone's live stream trying to defend Smokey St. by
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justifying and normalizing pedophilia by appealing to my
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biology and trying to argue that the Virgin Mary was a minor when
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the whole thing in the New Testament gospels went down with
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Jesus's birth. So I think based on the
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compilation of all of those data points, I believe it is lock
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solid 100% that Smokey St. is Joshua and Nathan marks her
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bell. And since Joshua and Nathan
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Marks her bell is a convicted pedophile and is on a sex
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offender registry list, it stands to reason that Smokey St.
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is a convicted pedophile because him and Joshua and Nathan Marks
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her Bell are the same man. That's all I really have to say
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as far as answering the question.
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Is Smokey St. a convicted pedophile?
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And I will let Brett and Smokey St. take over.
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All right, Smokey St., Do you have a retort?
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I do, and I'd like to open the couple of things.
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First of all, that was a 20 minute opening.
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I think that probably should have been at least discussed or
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talked about because there was a lot of rambling and I think that
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was a little weird and a little excessive, especially for
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repeating a bunch of points that don't matter.
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Second of all, I want to reiterate this could have been
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done on by channel in my environment.
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I'm now on TTR channel, which wasn't supposed to be, but Brett
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got hit. I'm sorry, that's a bad thing.
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That's rough. I'm sorry that happened.
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YouTube is a bitch. It's terrible that that happens.
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But we're now on an adverse environment.
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I have come into an adverse environment.
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Why? Because T2R was too scared to
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come onto my channel, claim that he would be mistreated, and want
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to have a different environment. So I've come into an adverse
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environment in both the mod here.
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Brett and T2R both personally attacked me on this matter.
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So I'm willing to come over here and defend myself even in an
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adverse environment, which T2R did not have the nerve to be
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willing to do. So I'll start going through some
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of his points and I kind of anticipated what he would claim
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to be the case. So I'll just start going through
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some of the notes I initially took.
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We kind of refute some of the stuff I knew he was going to
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say. First of all, Bogey St.
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Samurai, the dim he gave did a really good video the other day
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about an hour long. Gives evidence of reasonable
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doubt that JLPJ and Mugshot Josh are actually the same person.
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Part of TTRS argument is actually to claim that those two
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are the same person and he makes a big claim about the mannerisms
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and the way that he talks and stuff like that.
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There is nothing showing the mannerisms or the way Josh or
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Bell talks. There's nothing out there
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demonstrating into that or has ever been demonstrated for
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comparison. So he makes a big deal that
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JLPJJ must be Josh, but he has no connective argument for that.
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His only argument is to claim that I am JLP Josh that they're
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claiming is Josh. But of course this is just a
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reach. This is just a grab.
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His whole claim about mannerisms and stuff don't match JLP Josh
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to supposedly Mecklenburg Josh. So and then of course you have
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the additional issue that the mug shot that was taken around
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the time of the JLP Josh, which is the mug shot Josh.
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Those don't really look the same.
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Those look very different. That's kind of one of the things
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that Boki made a note of. So even his own just
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notification inside of his argument about mannerism stuff
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can't be carried through to make it actually be Josh.
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In fact, there's really no good justification to say for sure it
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is Josh other than to simply rely upon claims that he can't
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justify. On top of that, on top of that,
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let's see here, pictures are very close in time, look very
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different people with similar but different facial features.
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That's the difference between mugshot Josh and JLP Josh, so
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it's hard to believe they are the two person even if you do
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collect JLP Josh to being me. Let's see, the title of the
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debate is ridiculous and I'll I'll mention I had no input on
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the title of the debate. TTR just unilaterally chose this
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and I just decided to go along with it.
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It's fine. It actually fails on the face
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and This is why there is no such thing as a convicted pedophile.
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It's not a thing. Pedophilia is defined as an
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attraction to a previous and prepubescent children and sadly
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cannot be legislated against because of the hazard of
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legislated against. Any thought crime is untenable
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and unethical, so to say convicted pedophile.
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It's not even something that is or even can be prosecuted.
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So it's fallacious right on its face.
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And he chose the title of the debate.
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He just doesn't think very clearly.
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Additionally, even if a conviction happens, conviction
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is not sufficient in and of itself to diagnose psychological
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state of a person. So in some instances, according
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to the Bureau of Behavioral Sciences, it can't even be used
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at all. A diagnosis to someone's state
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in terms of their attractions or psychological state.
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You can't simply rely upon a statement of conviction because
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the conviction doesn't really say anything.
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Especially since the laws are so vacuous and broad ranging and
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someone who is even fooled into believing someone is of age can
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be convicted and therefore would not demonstrate that someone at
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all actually has an attraction to underage people whatsoever.
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So it's even fallacious on that point to even claim that even
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the conviction demonstrates someone as an actual pedophile.
35:25
And especially this charge because of course TTR is just
35:28
using a very colloquial cultural term of a pedophile which is
35:32
inaccurate. Which of course of pre
35:33
attraction to previous children. Which even if you take the most
35:37
impossible version of events with the youngest age which is
35:41
literally impossible from what's been provided.
35:44
Even then, you're right on the edge of being able to really
35:46
claim that this is convicted. So even if I was Josh, none of
35:53
the information will actually matter because Josh is innocent
35:56
of the narrative that he was accused of.
35:58
Multiple bullet points have been provided to show that she is a
36:00
liar and the stories of fabrication.
36:02
And not that that should actually even matter because
36:04
actually nothing's ever been shown to validate her story.
36:08
Not even Rob Reed, who goes around loving to carry water for
36:10
her and claim that what she's saying is true.
36:12
Not even Rob Reed has ever been able to provide one single iota
36:17
of evidence. And the reason for the 22
36:19
movement being mentioned is because it was illegal jury
36:22
nullification. And it's weird for anyone to not
36:24
notice that, that people all over the world were told not to
36:28
follow evidence, not to judge based upon evidence, but to just
36:30
judge based upon whatever the narrative is, what is said.
36:34
And that poisoned the well of the judiciary in a lot of ways.
36:37
And there are tons of stories, tons and tons and tons of
36:39
stories just of ones that were caught and found out, of women
36:44
who got men arrested and destroyed their lives with
36:46
absolutely no evidence, only for them to have to prove their
36:50
their innocence later just to get off the hook.
36:53
So the entire system has become fundamentally bankrupt.
36:58
Another bullet point to mention, and this is important, the
37:02
police report referenced by Rob Reed is actually fallacious on
37:05
its face. And no one seems to pay
37:07
attention to this as if it really matters.
37:09
But factually, the two parties in the report are seven years
37:12
apart in age, but the report reads them as eight years apart
37:16
in other areas, showing it's factually accurate even on its
37:19
face. Even this supposed thing that
37:22
houses the narrative of truth of what actually happened can't
37:24
even get its mind straight. And some of that might have to
37:27
do with all the various stories that she told at various points
37:30
in time that many times contradict each other and naming
37:33
time frames and events that couldn't happen until years
37:36
after the fact of what she was claiming.
37:38
Which is what was demonstrated in that video that TTR only
37:41
played a tiny portion of. Because apparently her
37:44
narrative, which absolutely no justification and no evidence of
37:48
no cooperative at all, is enough to be believed.
37:51
But anything On the contrary side needs a higher standard of
37:54
evidence for TTR to believe it, which shows he is an
37:57
epistemological hypocrite and an immoral man.
38:00
So what does this mean when such an essential detail about a
38:03
technical violation of state law claimed over a decade after the
38:06
fact is erroneous on its face, it might mean there's no real
38:09
care for accuracy in reporting what is supposedly substantiated
38:13
and significant crime. Why have confidence in the rest
38:16
when even such a simple detail can be so blatantly wrong?
38:19
Keep in mind North Carolina consent laws would allow for a
38:21
20 year old to have sex with as many 14 year olds as he want
38:24
with no legal consequences as age.
38:27
App laws allow for six years age difference.
38:29
This is why it wasn't made into a case that Satori's star
38:32
witness was a boy named Nick who lived in Virginia, Virginia who
38:36
never witnessed anything. Nick was about 15 to 16 years
38:39
old when he started sexually texting 12 year old Satori.
38:42
This is her groomer, but his actions are perfectly legal in
38:45
her in their respective jurisdictions.
38:47
Despite this, the claim of a 21 year old in a monogamous long
38:50
distance relationship with a single 14 year old with family
38:53
knowledge and consent is somehow automatically predatory from the
38:57
arbitrary legal standard with no care of the relationship even
39:01
fits the definition of predatory.
39:03
So close to the edge of technicality was the claimed
39:05
defense that it wouldn't have even been illegal in many
39:07
surrounding states. But the files are not
39:09
objectively discerned by the subjective standard of where
39:12
they are geographically when they act.
39:14
A dangerous predator. Would the one that fits the bill
39:15
of all culturally comparable geographies in an area, not just
39:18
one patch, leverage with a close technicality and a blatantly
39:21
false narrative over a decade after the fact?
39:23
I will remind everyone that the story was concocted over a
39:27
decade after the fact. So one has to beg the question,
39:31
when Rob Reed or Chichi are one of these others is reading all
39:34
these supposed details, how would any of those details even
39:37
be proven over a decade after the fact?
39:39
It might behoove you to think, if all these are things are
39:42
factually accurate and proven, how would that even be true?
39:45
How do you prove where someone got something 10 years ago?
39:48
How do you prove that someone's singularly attested statements
39:51
are true, especially when there's contradiction to other
39:53
narratives? Did Satori tell the truth about
39:57
her being married to a Marine stationed in Afghanistan?
40:00
This was an interesting thing that popped up during her
40:02
interviews with Thick Shades, something she claimed while she
40:05
was popping up her own. Credentials and claiming to be
40:10
this, you know, big successful person.
40:12
And one of the things she committed during this time was a
40:15
blatant act of stolen valor, which no one caught, no one paid
40:18
attention to PO because a woman who had a label as a victim was
40:21
talking and stating things. And so because of that, everyone
40:25
just turned off their brains and believed whatever she said.
40:27
But was she was she actually married to Amin in Afghanistan?
40:30
Well, that would be hard. How could that actually be true
40:33
if she said this months after Biden had pulled all troops out
40:37
Afghanistan and one of the worst political blunders in his
40:39
administration. So Tori should have kept up with
40:42
current events before before telling such a blatant lie.
40:44
And if she told this lie, that's so blatant and easy to prove.
40:47
How many others of her narrative were lies that she provided no
40:51
evidence and no justification for?
40:53
Truthfully, at the time of this interview with Thickshades, she
40:56
was either divorced or going through a divorce from ADC
40:59
attorney. She was never married to a
41:00
Marine. She never was.
41:02
And she wasn't even married at that time.
41:03
She was either divorced or going through the process of a
41:06
divorce. And then we have the call to her
41:08
mother, which of course teach you our kind of referenced in
41:11
passing here, which is very weird and honestly, I think kind
41:14
of disgusting. Truth is established by two or
41:17
more witnesses. This is the biblical standard of
41:19
truth, one that Christians should adhere to and one that
41:21
TTOR has completely abandoned, which by the way, also shows
41:25
that his morality is fake, his faith is fake, his religion is
41:29
fake. He doesn't actually follow
41:31
biblical standards or biblical morality at all, because he's
41:33
accepted all of this is true just upon the statements of a
41:37
secular entity, which is the government which he claims to be
41:40
evil, as well as the statement of one individual woman over a
41:44
decade after the fact, with no corroborating information or
41:47
evidence ever being provided. Teach you our doubts the
41:50
government. Teach you our thinks the
41:51
government is evil, thinks it's covered by principalities and
41:54
powers of darkness and should never be trusted.
41:57
And yet he was willing to trust this statement from the US
42:00
government with no evidence at all whatsoever ever being
42:03
provided to him. Then the question would beg
42:05
itself to be asked. TT you are.
42:07
What other things are you willing to believe that the
42:09
government tells you without giving you any evidence to
42:12
verify that what they're telling you is true?
42:14
I bet it wouldn't be anything. And that again just shows that
42:18
he is an immoral, illogical hypocrite with no actual
42:22
biblical standard that he adheres to in terms of his
42:24
judgement. And a good sign of a lack of
42:27
sanctification and someone that indulges in idolatry.
42:32
So of course, worshipping, you know, the government as opposed
42:34
to the biblical standard of morality, the biblical standard
42:37
of judgement and trusting the secular standard shows him as an
42:40
idolater in case he decides to call me out on that later.
42:43
That's the quick argument for it.
42:46
So the call to her mother was disgusting.
42:48
Truth is established by 200 witnesses.
42:50
But you can tell her mother didn't witness anything and had
42:53
no clue what Satori wanted her to say.
42:55
I believe she even said as such. What do you want me to say?
42:58
Satori spent hours swearing that her parents had no clue about
43:02
the relationship, only have her mother claimed that she knew but
43:05
didn't approve. If her mother is telling the
43:07
truth and Satori is a liar, again, if you do believe her
43:10
mother is telling the truth and you have to explain how her own
43:12
mother wasn't able to stop a relationship with her underage
43:16
minor daughter that she didn't approve of, maybe she couldn't
43:19
do anything about it because Satori was actually legally able
43:22
to consent to her relationships as an adult at the time.
43:26
So you kind of have to decide who you believe.
43:28
And either when you believe you have a bit of a problem.
43:31
Either her mother is telling the truth and Satori is a liar, or
43:36
her mother was prepped poorly and is telling a lie and Satori
43:40
is actually telling the truth. You're going to have to pick one
43:42
or the other. And you have to admit this
43:44
blatant whole of a lie in the narrative to try and present a
43:48
particular tale with a particular objective, instead of
43:51
actually pointing to the truth of a matter.
43:54
Here the Internet has been given to witnesses, one of which isn't
43:57
even a witness of anything. But even if she is take, even if
44:01
she has to be taken as truthful, she contradicts the other
44:04
witnesses with a vital fact, which is of course this idea of
44:08
knowledge of the relationship. And when it happened, Satori
44:11
abused her mother to manipulate her into committing perjury to
44:14
to protect her own perjury. If you can't see how evil this
44:18
is, there is something wrong with you.
44:20
It makes no sense to be a dangerous predator and only
44:23
target one person 20 years ago that was 3000 miles away instead
44:28
of anything even in the back in his backyard.
44:31
This shows a good sign. He probably didn't think he was
44:34
doing anything illegal. If the goal was in a legal
44:38
relationship, you didn't have to go 3000 miles away to get it.
44:42
Way too much unnecessary work for this person to be claimed to
44:45
be an opportunistic, dangerous predator.
44:49
Also, TTR actually has seemingly no actual knowledge about the
44:55
contents of the file, what happened, what the charges are,
44:58
what was pled to, or what it even means.
45:01
Nor does he think about what it means that they if they had such
45:04
a strong case and so much evidence to verify her story,
45:07
which is clearly a series of lies and contradictions based
45:11
upon what's been provided from the other side.
45:14
You do have to explain away the idea that TTR cannot seem to get
45:20
a lot of the fact that's right internally, Josh did not
45:23
represent himself. He absolutely had an attorney
45:25
and even Rob Reed has confirmed that on multiple occasions, even
45:29
given her name or at least her first name.
45:31
So this is another thing at TTR probably doesn't even understand
45:35
what he's actually reading. And if the case was so strong,
45:38
it's weird that they would let go with just a, you know, a few
45:41
years probation if they really thought they had a case.
45:44
But they can leverage the me too movement and the fact that they
45:46
just need one person on that jury to get a hung jury.
45:49
And the great thing about when you have a take victim, they're
45:52
really motivated because they love the attention, so they're
45:54
happy to keep coming back. So really you can just drown out
45:57
the person with hung juries because of me too movement till
46:00
they run out of money. You get stuck with a public
46:02
defender and then you don't get any type of deal.
46:04
And then you really have to, you know, get put in a rough
46:06
situation where the system finally leverage its corruption
46:09
against you. 99% conviction rate in many of these liberal
46:14
jurisdictions. This is not a sign of
46:16
proficiency or goodness at their job, is not a sign that they're
46:20
doing a good job, is a sign of utmost corruption.
46:23
And the only reason, actually, one of the main reasons you can
46:25
think this is to think about all the cops and all the things that
46:28
cops do, including false arrests and false charges.
46:31
And that you would have to think to yourself that cops are 90
46:34
ninety, 99% efficient at being able to catch the person that
46:39
actually committed the crime. This is not likely what is
46:43
happening. No cops department on earth
46:45
should ever be trusted to actually be this profession.
46:48
This is a sign that the system internally is blatantly corrupt.
46:52
And when DAS are celebrating their 99% conviction, not caring
46:57
whether or not they've convicted innocent men really shows that
47:01
the culture is evil. And to even try to latch onto it
47:05
as any justification or claim to truth shows you have an evil
47:09
wicked heart that is not Christian.
47:12
That serves secularism and secular authorities above
47:15
Christian moral standards, which is exactly what TTR has
47:18
demonstrated today in terms of his situation.
47:23
He was facing a life sentence which Ctr. confirmed and yet
47:26
they were only willing to settle for a few years probation.
47:28
Hard to believe if that was such a strong case.
47:33
Even Satori with the clips that he pulled, Satori wasn't
47:36
comfortable confirming identity and may have simply gave in for
47:40
the sake ultimately A peer pressure.
47:42
Because if you'll notice, and not that TTR really showed this
47:44
particular point of contacts, I don't expect he would.
47:47
Sam kept hounding her relentless to confirm that it was me and
47:51
she kept denying, denying, denying, denying, confirming
47:55
that I'm Josh, that Josh is smoky and all that, and she just
47:58
wouldn't do it. And so then finally, I think she
48:01
felt clear pressure and finally made a confirmation.
48:03
In terms of the Freudian slip, there's been lots of instances
48:06
where communicating with muddled ideas of identity or even I've
48:09
stated, like even if I was this person, blah, blah, blah, this
48:12
is the case. So I'm not even sure about that
48:15
Freudian stuff. And if he got it off a thick
48:17
Shades channel, which he admits that he did, it shouldn't be
48:18
trusted at all. TR knows this.
48:21
TR knows that Vicky has limited credibility.
48:24
He is a liar. He makes people say a bunch of
48:26
things with his AR content that they never actually say.
48:29
He doesn't tag it as AI, and he tries to pass an office real
48:32
statements. And you can tell that this
48:34
wasn't taken from an original stream because of how it's
48:37
edited with a mug shot in the circle making the claim.
48:41
So I would need something more than something just provided
48:44
from what is a known a known liar who fabricates lots of
48:48
things all the time. If his claim is to Thicky for
48:51
any type of evidence, I think that's a ridiculous claim to
48:55
trust anything Thicky says or supposedly investigates or puts
48:58
together the courtroom. When the pictures were taken,
49:02
that was never confirmed that they came from the actual
49:04
courtroom that this event was claimed to happen in.
49:08
In fact, there is no verification of where those
49:11
pictures came from and when or who they are necessarily of.
49:15
In fact, actually, if you know anything, this was supposedly A
49:19
sealed session. The supposed plea deal
49:22
arrangement and taking pictures would have been contempt of
49:24
court. So we have to believe that
49:27
someone in there, you know, on the other side, intentionally
49:29
went in there to illegally take pictures.
49:33
You have to believe someone did this, did something illegal in
49:35
order to take the photos. And if that was true and you're
49:38
kind of relying upon that with no verification of when or where
49:41
they came from, it wouldn't be admissible in a court of war
49:45
considerable as evidence in any way.
49:49
Let's see if there's any other notes here.
49:55
OK, so it could kind of wrap up in terms of my opening really
50:01
teach you argument by his own initial arguments doesn't really
50:05
have any connection to JLP Jay or JLP Josh or JLP Smokey or
50:10
whatever you want to say. Has no real connection to him
50:13
being Joshua, Nathan, Marks or Bell.
50:14
Not by his claim of mannerisms and the like.
50:18
He just switches all of a sudden saying well, he looks enough
50:21
like him. Well family members can look
50:23
like. So that's not really a sign of
50:25
much of anything. As far as he knows.
50:26
He doesn't have any claim to the mannerisms and such.
50:29
He has to be able to verify that JLPJ and or JLP Josh or JLPJ are
50:35
that person that is in the mug shot and that mug shit around or
50:38
mug shot around the same kind look like very, very different
50:42
people. The mug shot from 2017 and there
50:44
is no facial hair at all. And of course, if that person
50:48
you indeed was incarcerated, I think you'd find that shaves are
50:52
hard to come by. So any case, let's see if
50:56
there's anything else. Me too movement.
50:59
Oh, and this of course also begs the question in terms of an
51:04
extrapolation of these facts, is can teach you our show to any
51:08
really significant standard that Josh is guilty and that the
51:12
narrative of these facts is actually true.
51:14
Because if it isn't and you can't demonstrate it is, there's
51:17
no reason to mention it at all. There's no reason to even bring
51:20
it up. If there's no solid
51:22
justification to believe it's true, then you shouldn't believe
51:24
it's true. Now TTOR accepted this
51:26
narrative. No evidence at all.
51:28
Someone said it, some chicks said it, even her own statements
51:32
internally were blatantly false at times and contradictory.
51:35
But TTR either didn't care to notice it or wasn't smart enough
51:39
to notice it. And then when the information
51:41
finally comes out in the video, kind of explaining the other
51:44
side, he claims it's not good enough.
51:46
And yet her unsubstantiated, unverified, unevidenced claims
51:51
with no verification whatsoever were completely accepted and
51:54
regarded as true. And yet somehow he has a hard
51:57
time believing that this would be the state of affairs in a
52:00
courtroom, that people just like him would show up and believe
52:05
that something is true just based upon the surface of
52:07
someone saying it. And you know that this is true
52:09
because TTR himself did that and even jumped onto this bandwagon
52:14
of guilt before a guilty plea had ever even been taken.
52:18
He mentions what the guilty plea is.
52:20
He also mentions that there were what, 7 other charges, none of
52:24
which actually fit into the actual plea, and in fact the
52:29
plea ended up being indecent liberties.
52:30
And I'm willing to bet TTR doesn't even actually know what
52:33
that is or what that even means. But it has nothing to do with
52:37
statutory rape or even necessarily physical contact at
52:41
all. And if if their story was so
52:44
true and verified, why would that be the state of affairs
52:48
that there's no actual charge for any actual physical contact?
52:52
Maybe it's because through discovery, there were so many
52:54
holes and contradictions and nonsense in her story that
52:58
finally the DA was forced to give up the idea of chasing the
53:01
more serious charges. But definitely.
53:03
And by the detective's own admission, which is actually in
53:06
the file that Will Kincaid has access to, the detective
53:09
promised that they were going to get him on something, just
53:13
something. And that is how they operate.
53:16
It's also in the file and shows that detective encouraged Satori
53:20
to go talk to the people first that he was going to talk to.
53:24
In many instances, people would look at that and think that's
53:26
very unfair, but that sounds like jury tampering.
53:29
But in this jurisdiction, it was absolutely allowed and condoned,
53:33
which is also mentioned in the video.
53:35
All of these facts have been provided, but TTR just dismisses
53:38
them with a hand wave and goes back to the original claim,
53:42
which really is nonsensical and unnecessary and useless if the
53:46
central core of the claim is completely false and untrue.
53:50
And he has refused to regard the evidence and the fact that he
53:54
has to rely upon singular testimony of an exposed liar in
53:59
order to believe that this is true and teaching our standard
54:03
is not to trust the government. Yet here he has trusted what the
54:05
government has told him with absolutely no evidence to
54:08
support it whatsoever. So it does show that he's a
54:11
hypocrite and he has no Christian ethics.
54:14
Christians don't operate this way.
54:16
Christians understand that we must operate by a standard
54:19
different than secularist. And even Paul tells us this in
54:23
Romans 13 about the secular authorities and even in in First
54:26
Corinthians about taking brother and brother against, you know,
54:30
due to each other against law, letting secularists judge these
54:33
matters who have secular standards.
54:35
And of course, the court system today clearly only needs one
54:38
witness. This is not a biblical standard
54:40
of judgement. So to put any weight in a
54:42
secularist God hating standard, which of course TTR claims that
54:46
they are and that the government is basically led by evil forces,
54:50
he takes it with absolutely no evidence needed or provided.
54:53
And you know why? Because of his hate, because he
54:56
has a hateful heart, because he hates me, because he's not
54:59
following any good logic or good justification.
55:02
It's that he hates me and he wants me silenced.
55:04
He claims to be a proponent for free speech, but he sticks to
55:07
this narrative for no other reason.
55:10
To try and distract, deflect, silence, get people to not
55:13
listen to me. So he's a liar even in his own
55:16
ideology, multiple times. TTR is a hypocrite.
55:20
He has no good biblical standard of justice or judgment and has
55:25
basically put all of his weight on trusting the word of a
55:28
singular witness and a secular government that he knows is evil
55:32
and does not use biblical standards of adjustment of
55:35
judgment or ascertaining truth. And with that, I guess I will go
55:40
ahead and wrap up with whatever we have next.
55:42
I don't know. I don't know the structure of
55:44
the debate, if we have open format or open engagement or if
55:46
it's just over. I don't know what it is.
55:49
I'm given the opportunity for everybody to say what they need
55:52
to say. There's no timer.
55:54
I got no egg timer over here. I'm listening.
55:59
TTOR, do you have a retort? Eventually people are going to
56:03
be able to fill in and they can either ask their questions or be
56:07
a part of the discussion. I ask that people don't come in
56:10
and cuss people out or scream or yell or beat your chest like a
56:14
feral animal. This is a serious topic.
56:17
This isn't some kind of soap opera here that we're talking
56:20
about, so let's try to keep it professional.
56:23
Go ahead PTOR if you got something.
56:27
I just got 2 questions I would like to ask.
56:30
The first question I'd like to ask is, after listening to you
56:34
wax so poetically about how you got railroaded by the legal
56:39
system, why did you plead guilty instead of not guilty to that
56:43
charge against you? And why was Kenny Rhodes there
56:47
if you were not Joshua and Nathan Marks herbal?
56:50
Well, again I'll reiterate, you have no idea where those
56:52
pictures came from or there if they were even just created.
56:55
They were just provided by Thicky with no justification or
56:58
or idea of where they came from. And he'd even get those pictures
57:00
would have been illegal. So I don't know why you trust
57:02
the exist so when you don't know where they came from or what
57:04
court firm they came from. So it's a ridiculous thing.
57:07
As for why Josh would plead guilty, that has been addressed
57:11
to multiple different angles and different ways.
57:13
But I will address it again for your sake.
57:16
And it does have to do with the fact that there was no chance of
57:18
a fair trial when you are in a liberal jurisdiction that has
57:22
been overtaken by the illegal jury nullification movement of
57:25
Me too, where people are instructed not to follow
57:28
evidence, which is what they're supposed to do in a trial, but
57:31
they're instructed to listen to and believe whatever her
57:33
narrative is. And these are people that, you
57:35
know, they show up on on the weekend.
57:37
They don't want to be there. And they don't really feel most
57:39
of the time about paying attention to nuances or
57:42
specifics or details. They just want to, you know, get
57:45
done with it and get out of there.
57:47
And you have to trust them to be thorough and moral in their
57:51
judgments. In the liberal jurisdiction,
57:52
that would be a very, very hard thing to find.
57:54
So a lawyer usually in many of these jurisdictions will come up
57:57
and say you should just take a plea because they're going to
58:00
bleed you out. You know, clearly the victim's
58:02
fake. She's, she's loving every bit of
58:03
this, loving the attention. Very clearly she's going to be
58:06
willing to keep coming back. So you'll get a, you'll get a
58:09
hung jury. Even if you make a great case
58:12
and you prove that her story's full, full of bullshit, there'll
58:14
be one person, there'll be one person in that jury that just
58:16
says, I believe all women and they'll vote for it.
58:18
And you'll get a hung jury. And because she's, you know,
58:20
motivated, she's going to hop up and she's going to go ahead and,
58:24
and keep going and they're going to retry it because they got
58:27
nothing but money. But you of course, have a
58:29
limited amount of money. So you'll run out of money by
58:31
the first trial, maybe the second trial, you know, if
58:33
you're lucky. And then you're going to, you
58:35
know, you're going to have to defend with the system itself,
58:37
maybe with a public defender, which and then you're probably
58:40
really going to get screwed because they're not going to
58:42
give a lot of attention to defending your case.
58:44
And a lot of people that get put in similar situations like this,
58:47
they make difficult decisions, you know, to leave the risk, you
58:50
know, losing their entire life or simply biting the bullet that
58:53
the system is corrupt. It leverages this thing.
58:55
This is what it does. It gets 99%, you know,
58:57
conviction rates in many of these jurisdictions.
58:59
It's a good sign of corruption. And you just have to bite the
59:01
bullet. You may not like it.
59:02
It may be unjust, but this is what we have.
59:04
This is the system that we are all in.
59:06
And all of us have to make our decisions when the cards were
59:08
dealt. All right, we've got some people
59:12
out here in the comments who are asking some questions.
59:15
Well, they can come in the room. They can come in the room.
59:18
I'm not going to waste time doing deal with chat rats if
59:20
they want to talk to me and come in the room.
59:22
All right. Well, anybody that wants to come
59:24
in the room, feel free to do that.
59:26
But there was some comments out here where some folks ask, how
59:30
do you know so many intimate details about case files that
59:34
are supposed to be private between the person who was
59:37
convicted as well as the defendant or?
59:40
They were gotten a hold of by the Colt from Josh.
59:43
I got sufficient his story on the other side.
59:47
And then there were other things that were gathered from other
59:49
sources, including robbery, who leaked things into the ether.
59:53
OK. So you had brought up Will
59:56
Kincaid into the discussion. You said that he had some kind
1:00:00
of intimate details of. The and he's offered certain
1:00:04
people, certain people direct access to see certain things if
1:00:08
they have specific challenges on specific information.
1:00:12
And you trust what will Kincaid says.
1:00:15
I certainly do. He's my best friend and he
1:00:18
hasn't shown any, any dishonesty in this at all really.
1:00:22
And he's made himself open, you know, to engagement on this with
1:00:25
anyone that wanted just no one wants to.
1:00:27
They just want to keep their narrative going.
1:00:31
Do you think that one of the reasons why people hold on to
1:00:34
this narrative a lot of the Christian community because you
1:00:37
are best friend Wilson Cade actually told people you were
1:00:40
Josh the rage atheist channel never happened.
1:00:44
No, never. He was talking to Raging Atheist
1:00:47
on a live video and actually said who you?
1:00:49
Were you have a clip, you have a clip.
1:00:51
Let's take a look at the Raging Atheist channel and we can get
1:00:56
into that. If you recall, this was around
1:00:58
the time that he was dropping people's thoughts, including
1:01:01
Raging Atheist. Hold on.
1:01:04
Hey Josh, do you remember telling me that there wasn't a
1:01:11
rape kit done in the court case? How do you know that?
1:01:15
I just told you the five that information was leaked to us and
1:01:18
given to us from several different sources, including Rob
1:01:20
Reed, and also from Josh himself to the cult.
1:01:23
So information is. There so you the.
1:01:27
Whole file. Well, no.
1:01:29
See, The thing is, is that it wouldn't be included in the
1:01:32
information. The only people that would know
1:01:35
whether a rape kit was done is the victim and any such.
1:01:40
A rape call wouldn't be. It wouldn't be part of a
1:01:42
discovery file. It would if it was if it was
1:01:47
directly requested. But no, that's not something
1:01:50
that you that's medical you. You would literally have to No,
1:01:55
you have what's known as you. Are you a lawyer?
1:01:58
No, but I know the thing. About the law has to be
1:02:01
provided. All evidence has to be provided
1:02:02
in discovery. You can't keep anything back, it
1:02:05
all has to be provided and all the discovery information has
1:02:08
been gathered not only from Rob Reed's side but also from
1:02:12
technical sides of those involved.
1:02:13
So it's all the. Only people.
1:02:16
The thing is, Dustin. You don't want the the the only
1:02:18
people who would know whether a rape kit was done is the victim
1:02:25
and the suspect. And anyone that read the
1:02:27
discovery file. If there's a discovery there.
1:02:32
How would there? How would there not be?
1:02:34
If there's a? Do you know what discovery is?
1:02:36
I know exactly what discovery. Is what is it?
1:02:40
It's, it's just, it's Full disclosure.
1:02:42
The prosecutor is not allowed any surprise.
1:02:45
Disclosure of all evidence, right?
1:02:49
Did you do a Brady request? What you.
1:02:51
Have to get before. Did you do a Brady request?
1:02:54
A Brady request for what you're a party to.
1:02:56
The for exculpatory evidence dipshit.
1:03:00
What? Do you?
1:03:02
I don't know what you're talking about, Dustin.
1:03:04
Yeah, I know. You don't know what I'm.
1:03:05
Talking about, I do, I don't. I don't know what you're talking
1:03:11
about. Go ahead TTOR, enlighten us.
1:03:15
How would a rape get exist? Wait, how would a rape get exist
1:03:17
10 years after the fact? Dustin, How would.
1:03:20
That exist. There would be a rape kit done
1:03:22
if there was a rape. See that?
1:03:23
But you don't understand what? You don't understand what you
1:03:27
don't. Are you going to let me speak?
1:03:31
Yeah. A rape kit.
1:03:31
A rape kit can be done. A rape kit can be done on
1:03:35
clothing after the fact. I think you know that.
1:03:40
OK. Well, do you have evidence?
1:03:41
Of any of that. Existing or you're just No, I I
1:03:44
don't have access to the case file, but you said it was
1:03:47
leaked. But no, see, the thing, the
1:03:50
thing that dams you on this, the thing that dams you on this, is
1:03:54
that you claim to have prior knowledge, right?
1:03:56
And you have provided nothing in the way of court case files,
1:03:59
have you the file? Was leaked.
1:04:01
Have you provided it it? Will Kincaid has it it's it's
1:04:05
not been on have. You provided it.
1:04:08
Me, I don't provide anything I don't have.
1:04:10
Anything oh interesting provided to the?
1:04:12
Colt and I'm telling you, you see.
1:04:15
You're I don't buy it so. Dumb Dustin.
1:04:17
It's really not. How would you know that?
1:04:20
How would you know? How would you know if a if a
1:04:24
rape kit was done or not? So Dustin actually did something
1:04:30
pretty interesting when he came in here.
1:04:32
He's called you, Josh, and you answered immediately.
1:04:35
No, I just, I think he does it too.
1:04:39
I've always done that. Buddy, look, whatever you.
1:04:43
Want I don't even respond to it anymore.
1:04:46
Think he's done it for years? I, no, I, I, I don't call me
1:04:51
smoke, buddy. Look, you told me that there was
1:04:54
no rape kit. I'm.
1:04:56
Sick of, you know, by the way, I'm sick of that thing where
1:04:58
people come in and do that, call me Josh.
1:05:00
And then every single time I have to be like, I'm not Josh,
1:05:03
not Josh, I'm not. And they just keep calling me
1:05:05
that. And then the one time I don't
1:05:06
say it, then we got some ortho fag coming in to make a thing
1:05:10
out of it. That's that's really great,
1:05:12
dude. Yeah, good.
1:05:13
Just remember. That God you pay attention.
1:05:14
To the rest of the. Such Christ like behavior,
1:05:18
Smokey, congratulations. Bro, so do you.
1:05:23
Do you know what a Brady request is?
1:05:25
TTOR. Maybe wait a minute, is this a
1:05:27
debate like between me and TTOR or is this just everyone comes
1:05:31
in and cross examines? You invited people in the room,
1:05:34
douchebag. Hold on.
1:05:38
Hold on, guys, guys, listen. See, this is now going to turn
1:05:41
into just a bunch of tags. No, no, no, Smokey.
1:05:44
I ask you. I ask you, do you want to?
1:05:46
I'm the one coming over. You're.
1:05:48
Willing to do a cross examination and you're just
1:05:50
going to want to level bullshit and then you would only want to
1:05:52
you. Told me to let.
1:05:54
People wants to over talk about how a rape kit can exist over a
1:05:57
decade after the fact that he's never seen but it must be there
1:06:00
because otherwise there wouldn't be a claim of rape and he's.
1:06:02
Not. I didn't.
1:06:03
I didn't. I didn't claim that.
1:06:04
It must be anywhere. Josh, you're putting words in my
1:06:07
mouth. I asked you if.
1:06:08
There was one calling me Josh because apparently Ortho queer
1:06:11
down there's going to make a thing of it, so OK.
1:06:15
What is your real name then? Smokey St.
1:06:17
Like as Carl? All right, I'll call you Carl.
1:06:24
OK, So what? What?
1:06:25
So TTR has no retorts to any of my points?
1:06:27
Is this what I take from this or what are we?
1:06:30
Just I'm not sure you made a point in, in all of that
1:06:33
rambling, Carl, you, you said, you said.
1:06:37
Oh, Dustin, hold on, hold on, Dustin.
1:06:39
I do have a retort because as much as Smokey St. has basically
1:06:44
proclaimed the innocence of Joshua and Nathan marks rebel,
1:06:49
but she still hasn't proved that.
1:06:51
He still hasn't proved that he's not Josh.
1:06:53
But I don't need to prove that you need.
1:06:55
To prove I am, I don't need to. Prove anything.
1:06:58
Do you think you need to prove you?
1:06:59
Claim that you're not. You claim you're not.
1:07:03
No, I don't need to prove. That.
1:07:05
I don't need to prove. Anything.
1:07:06
You guys just make assertion. You don't.
1:07:09
You also don't have to prove anything.
1:07:10
The entire time is make assertions.
1:07:12
Why is her story believable? Why?
1:07:14
Anyway, what evidence is of on? OK, yeah, you're going to be
1:07:19
muted for a SEC. So anyway, my rhetoric is OK.
1:07:25
Well, if you gonna, are you gonna let me finish my point
1:07:27
'cause I never got to it. The common thing we see with
1:07:31
people who are convicted pedophiles or convicted of the
1:07:34
crimes that we're talking about here is that most of the time
1:07:38
they will proclaim their innocence either with I never
1:07:41
did the ACT or I did the ACT, but there was nothing wrong with
1:07:45
it. And they just don't understand.
1:07:47
And they also frequently talk about how the courts and the
1:07:51
government railroaded them with their conviction.
1:07:53
Case in point, we got Chris Jones, the friend of Kent Hovind
1:07:56
who I exposed 3 years ago in a completely different expose
1:08:00
series. He claims that he never did
1:08:02
molest those kids and that he was just the victim of the
1:08:06
government because of exposes he did on Bohemian Grove.
1:08:10
So when I hear you go on this wild, wild story about how
1:08:15
corrupt the government is and how really I shouldn't be
1:08:18
trusting anything they say regarding the conviction of
1:08:22
Joshua Nathan Marks Herbal, who by the way, pled guilty.
1:08:27
He didn't plead not guilty and then get railroaded because then
1:08:30
he'd have a leg to stand on. No, he pled guilty to the crime.
1:08:34
Normal people know that when you plead guilty to a crime, you are
1:08:37
admitting guilt and evidence of innocence is irrelevant because
1:08:41
you didn't plead not guilty, you pled guilty.
1:08:44
So everything you've been saying about the corrupt government
1:08:48
system towards Joshua and Nathan Marks Herbal is bull crap?
1:08:52
It doesn't matter because he pled guilty.
1:08:54
You are. You familiar with the Innocence
1:08:56
Project? And why would this even?
1:09:00
Be part of your defense. Can I, Can I talk to the person
1:09:03
I was actually here to debate? Can Ortho Queer shut his mouth
1:09:06
for a minute while I talk to? The person.
1:09:08
Yeah. In fact, I'm going to.
1:09:09
I'm just going to. Peace out, but just remember God
1:09:12
sees all. Yeah, later.
1:09:14
You're an idiot. All right, guys, let's continue
1:09:19
the retorts. Let's smoke the.
1:09:21
Innocence Project came up. Yeah, the Innocence Project came
1:09:24
up in the comments section, but please.
1:09:26
So when the Innocence Project finds someone vindicated and
1:09:31
exonerated, were they guilty? You know of the Innocence
1:09:36
Project, but you don't know what a Brady request is.
1:09:39
Dustin, I'm not actually engaging with you right now.
1:09:42
I'm trying to get to somewhere with TTR.
1:09:44
I don't care about your. Your Brady request is to get
1:09:46
information on a sealed file, which you wouldn't have to do if
1:09:49
the file. If you're a party to the file in
1:09:51
discovery, you're a. Moron has nothing to do with
1:09:53
sealed files. It has nothing to do with that.
1:09:55
It has to do with exculpatory evidence, dipshit.
1:09:59
OK, well any exculpatory evidence would have been filed
1:10:01
to be retrieved in discovery and he had the lawyer so I'm sure
1:10:04
that was done. I don't know specifically.
1:10:06
If you want to know go ask Will Kincaid.
1:10:08
There is no rape kit. Nothing in the file was ever
1:10:10
shown for that. Rob Reed, who even claims a lot
1:10:12
of this was true, never even mentioned anything about a rape
1:10:15
kit. And nothing has ever been
1:10:16
mentioned about the existence of a rape kit until you said it.
1:10:20
So there is nothing there never did exist and this is just some
1:10:23
random claim of some chick over a decade after the fact.
1:10:25
And it's weird for you to think that what?
1:10:28
She just knew like what clothes she was wearing and kept them
1:10:30
for 10 fucking years in her closet.
1:10:33
You know what? Just for this.
1:10:34
This one, it depends. It depends on when the report
1:10:37
was made. Like I said, I don't have any.
1:10:39
Ten years after the over a decade.
1:10:41
Yeah, see, I I don't consider you as an unbiased source.
1:10:45
I know. What you're saying information
1:10:46
they keep pulling. Go look at the I'm not.
1:10:48
You don't have to take my word for it.
1:10:49
Go look at it and then go explain to me why they're
1:10:52
actually seven years age different.
1:10:53
There's the difference and it reads that they're eight.
1:10:55
You can explain that to me why it's so blatantly false on the
1:10:58
surface as to why you should believe it when it can't even
1:11:00
be, you know, truthful. About what was it?
1:11:02
What was it, 10 years difference you were saying?
1:11:05
And there were eight they. Are actually, they are actually
1:11:08
seven years difference actually in real life, in actual reality
1:11:12
and the report says they're 8. So why did that happen?
1:11:15
Maybe because. She big deals at.
1:11:18
Different times that they couldn't.
1:11:19
See, that's that's the kind of thing you might have found out
1:11:22
with a Brady request. Also, she was born in or just
1:11:25
having the discovery file or just doing some sleuthing with
1:11:28
the things that she released on the public platforms when she
1:11:31
was doing her interviews, which she said a lot, her mother even
1:11:34
doxed her. And of course people were able
1:11:36
to soothe that out because she called her mother and her mother
1:11:38
called her out by name. And that turned into a whole
1:11:40
thing. But I don't want to get into
1:11:41
that. The reason there's there's a
1:11:46
reason for that though, smoking. There's this thing called,
1:11:49
there's this thing called DNA evidence.
1:11:52
There's this thing. Look, look, what they're saying
1:11:55
is you took loose liberties with a minor.
1:11:58
What they're saying is you sort of lose there.
1:12:00
Was DNA evidence and by the way, I don't even know why I'm
1:12:02
engaging with you because I kind of want to finish my thing with
1:12:05
T2. Are you butt in again?
1:12:07
But why do you think there's evidence that you've never seen
1:12:10
and don't know exists? Why do you think?
1:12:12
That that doesn't make any sense.
1:12:14
That makes zero sense. There's always evidence that I
1:12:17
don't know exists and have not seen.
1:12:23
You're God in heaven. OK.
1:12:30
Did you? Did you did?
1:12:31
No, I did not say that. I asked you if there was a rape
1:12:34
kit and I was explaining that if a rape kit and, and, and if you
1:12:38
would let me finish, if you would let me finish a rape kit
1:12:43
would link you by DNA. This is the reason I was asking.
1:12:48
Now if there was a rape kit done and your DNA that did not match
1:12:53
what I would be giving you, there is an alibi.
1:12:57
No kidding that. Would be a great one.
1:12:59
Oh, yeah, That would be a real good alibi, Which is why I was
1:13:02
asking which, right, Which is why I was asking about a Brady
1:13:06
request. And you could do a Brady request
1:13:11
under the under the auspicious of being slanderized.
1:13:16
And you can end this whole debate by simply standing up in
1:13:20
the same court that this individual was was convicted in
1:13:24
and asking the judge to clarify the record.
1:13:26
Therefore, it could be a declaration and order of the
1:13:29
court. What do you mean?
1:13:31
What do you mean? It could be done by affidavit.
1:13:34
You just have to have him sign it.
1:13:36
Yes, absolutely, you dipshit. Yes.
1:13:40
No, in order to take the plea, you cannot correct any of the
1:13:43
facts, even when you prove. Them.
1:13:44
No, no, no, you, you didn't take the plea.
1:13:47
According to you, you didn't take the plea.
1:13:49
Or even when you prove them. Even when you prove them wrong
1:13:52
so. You didn't take the plea.
1:13:54
You're not Josh. Even if he proved them wrong,
1:13:58
Well, you're not listening, Dustin.
1:13:59
You're just. I don't have to listen, I'm
1:14:01
making a point about identification.
1:14:03
Get rid of him. Can we get rid of him?
1:14:05
He has nothing. Dustin, just just take a
1:14:08
breather, all right? We'll let you back up in a
1:14:09
little while. He's talking about things that
1:14:11
don't exist, and then he's puzzled that they don't exist.
1:14:13
I don't know how to help him. Dustin, I understand the passion
1:14:16
and anger, but we got to let the two have the conversation.
1:14:20
Please, Dustin. All right.
1:14:23
Can we get back to like where I was with T2R?
1:14:26
Now I don't even remember where it was.
1:14:27
Can. You were talking about the
1:14:29
Innocence Project, but you did not explain how this is relevant
1:14:34
to the case of Joshua Nathan Marks Herbell.
1:14:38
I hate you. OK, say that again.
1:14:42
I'm sorry that you broke up there A.
1:14:43
Little how did How does bringing up the Innocence Project relate?
1:14:47
To Oh, right, yeah. It shows that people are
1:14:49
convicted and take pleas with no evidence against them.
1:14:51
That's what it shows. Has there been one done on
1:14:54
behalf of you? Not yet.
1:14:58
Not yet for Josh. You don't need to do it for
1:15:01
Josh, you just need to do it under the auspices of being
1:15:04
slanderized. Can you?
1:15:06
OK, here's the thing. I want to engage with TTR
1:15:08
because this is who I was here for.
1:15:10
You can boot Dustin because he's just going to keep interjecting
1:15:13
while I'm trying to get through this with TTR because this is
1:15:15
the perfect. Good.
1:15:16
Valid. So you.
1:15:17
Can give Dustin a break in the backroom.
1:15:20
Can Dustin can come in and talk with me about this later?
1:15:23
I'm not here for Dustin, OK, and especially if Dustin is so
1:15:26
stupid to be making claims about things he's expecting to be
1:15:29
there or things should be there but aren't there or doesn't know
1:15:32
how they could be there or who could know they're not there.
1:15:34
And whether or not it would show up in a in a discovery file, of
1:15:37
course it would. Any any information, including
1:15:39
exculpatory information is required to be provided to the
1:15:42
other side. And everyone even just knows
1:15:44
it's basically even robbery to set this on several occasions.
1:15:47
So it's just dumb. This entire point is ridiculous
1:15:49
to claim that there's something at what they just hot.
1:15:51
They just hid. You know, the rape report, the
1:15:54
rape report from the file, it was there, they just didn't
1:15:57
share it. Like whatever.
1:15:58
No, there was never any rape kit.
1:16:00
There was nothing. There was never anything in the
1:16:01
file and even robbery just confirmed that.
1:16:03
Who of course supposedly hasn't the whole file yet doesn't ever
1:16:06
still to this day provide any evidence that any of it was
1:16:09
true. Did I get to the point of the
1:16:12
matter or did we? Oh, the, oh, the Innocence
1:16:15
Project. The point is that people will
1:16:17
plead guilty with sometimes when they're coerced into it, when
1:16:21
they have the chance that they're not going to get a fair
1:16:23
trial and that maybe they're in a situation where they're going
1:16:26
to be required to prove their innocence.
1:16:28
Just like basically I've been here today and all over the
1:16:30
Internet is everyone. Have you contacted them yet?
1:16:34
Of of of who contacted who? What?
1:16:37
Have you contacted the Innocence Project about your case?
1:16:40
Rosh has not contacted the Innocence Project yet, No, he's
1:16:45
about to actually. In fact, a couple people in his
1:16:47
family are actually helping him with that right now to contact.
1:16:50
The problem is lawyers sometimes don't like to touch this.
1:16:53
And the Innocence Project has hundreds, actually probably this
1:16:56
point, thousands of files to get through.
1:16:58
And they deal with what they can, you know, when they can do
1:17:00
it. But he is compiling, as far as I
1:17:03
know, some stuff to do with that right now.
1:17:05
The idea was actually to, as far as I know, that was communicated
1:17:10
to the cold. He was going to sue Satori, but
1:17:13
no one was willing to take the case because of the status like
1:17:17
she was that the status of the victim had the status of the
1:17:21
offender. So they weren't willing to even
1:17:23
look at the case or consider it. So the claim of, you know, suing
1:17:27
for defamation not only would be expensive, probably fruitless
1:17:31
because likely she doesn't really have anything.
1:17:34
And then also, you know, on top of that's not really going to
1:17:36
get you, you don't really anything out of it at all.
1:17:40
If anything, you can have something done, a piece of paper
1:17:42
to wave around that looks she was caught lying and proven in
1:17:44
court, but that's really all you'd get.
1:17:46
And it won't really do anything for the state of the evil and
1:17:49
the pain that's been caused through it through lies and
1:17:51
perjury. So.
1:17:54
So we have people back, but I'm not going to allow anybody up
1:17:58
into the conversation until Smokey and TTR both agree that
1:18:02
that's what they want. Is that a fair for you both?
1:18:06
Sure. Yeah, I, yeah, I just wanted to,
1:18:09
I came here for one thing. I didn't come here necessarily
1:18:12
for a whole bunch of like interjection.
1:18:14
I was fine with answering questions like if we were done
1:18:17
with TTR, didn't really have any retorts to anything I said, then
1:18:20
that was fine. But like this thing where I'm
1:18:22
engaging with TTR and they're jumping into interjective
1:18:24
hijack, that's just, that's just ganging up on me instead of
1:18:28
allowing me to actually address situations or or instances as
1:18:31
they're, as they're professed. So that's all I request, just
1:18:34
one at a time. All right, TTR, do you have a
1:18:38
retort? Well, I asked several questions
1:18:42
in response. I'm open at this point to having
1:18:46
other community members jump into the stream and interact
1:18:49
with us. So you have no retort to any of
1:18:52
those things I said about your moral bankruptcy, about your
1:18:55
lack of Christian judgement, taking one witness instead of
1:18:58
two witnesses, having no no evidence to really back up her
1:19:01
story or her narrative was true, and yet still believing it and
1:19:04
yet doubting everything that comes from the other side.
1:19:06
You have no retort to any of that, any of that stuff, I said
1:19:09
one. All those are arbitrary claims.
1:19:12
There's no substance to it. Wow, dude.
1:19:15
Wow. I mean, really, what is your
1:19:17
epistemological warrant exactly? That's not that's not relevant.
1:19:23
It is. It is.
1:19:23
You believe truth is established by two or new two or more
1:19:26
witnesses? Yes or no?
1:19:27
Is that a biblical standard of judgement?
1:19:29
Yes or no? That's not relevant to the topic
1:19:32
tonight. Amazing.
1:19:34
All right, Oh, you fail on the topic right away too, by.
1:19:37
The way may may I suggest something that could actually
1:19:40
which? I explained.
1:19:42
Can I suggest something that would actually help you?
1:19:44
Smokey is there. Fail even on your own stupid
1:19:46
title of the debate. OK, so is there.
1:19:50
Any way? Oh, you did.
1:19:53
It's not even a thing, you idiot.
1:19:55
Guys, guys, I got a suggestion. There's two ways that you could
1:20:00
actually get out of this Smokey. One way is to show an ID, but
1:20:05
cover up all the other information.
1:20:07
Just show the name. Second is, since you know the
1:20:11
suppose that other Josh, you could actually have him on your
1:20:14
show, right? You could host him.
1:20:18
If he ever wanted to, he doesn't.
1:20:21
Well, tell him. I mean, he sounds like a a
1:20:23
wonderful guy. Tell him it shouldn't matter.
1:20:26
You guys are requiring evidence of innocence.
1:20:29
Well, just let him know the system.
1:20:31
You don't have any new and you. Need help with this you.
1:20:34
Don't have any evidence of the narrative.
1:20:36
I don't need to help you guys defeat your own narrative that
1:20:40
you don't have any evidence for it.
1:20:41
It's dumb to even ask for it. You proved.
1:20:44
That he said that you know the guy personally.
1:20:47
Irrelevant. That's irrelevant.
1:20:49
He's not forced to do anything. And by the way, I'll address
1:20:52
something a long time ago about why you guys are terrorists,
1:20:56
because TGR can't seem to get it, Can't see you, Rs can't seem
1:20:59
to. So you're admitting?
1:21:00
So you're admitting that you did call us terrorists?
1:21:02
Absolutely. As you are after you previously
1:21:05
claimed that you didn't. So were you lying then?
1:21:08
Or lying? I forgot.
1:21:10
I forgot about it clearly, but now I do remember and I know
1:21:12
why. It's because of shit like this,
1:21:15
the type of stuff that's even in the sideshow just docks
1:21:17
yourself. Just just give in to the
1:21:20
terrorism of us claiming you're this person and labeling you
1:21:23
this horrible thing. Just give in, just do what we
1:21:26
want and it'll go away. That's terrorism.
1:21:29
That's that's a labeling and slandering with no good
1:21:32
arguments and no justifications and telling demanding someone
1:21:35
act in a certain way to satiate you when you have no
1:21:38
justification for even the slander you started with and no
1:21:41
evidence for it, and you demand proof to the contrary you don't
1:21:45
even have the first thing was true.
1:21:48
Smokey, I'm trying to actually help you.
1:21:50
If you just showed an ID and covered things up or you had
1:21:54
this person that you know intimately named Josh to just
1:21:57
come on the show and say, look, I got screwed by the.
1:22:00
I'm in favor. I'm in favor of the second one.
1:22:04
I'm going to. Stick with you guys have no
1:22:06
evidence, never have. And you're just, you're just
1:22:08
reaching at straws and you never really did and even teach you
1:22:11
how his own arguments are garbage.
1:22:13
It doesn't even. Translation Justin, don't trust
1:22:16
your lying eyes. Well, no, don't trust your
1:22:19
garbage. Epistemology is.
1:22:21
What? I don't trust the video footage,
1:22:23
don't trust the pictures, don't trust the fact that my.
1:22:27
Retort. Don't trust any of it, Justin.
1:22:29
My record. It's a total moron, Justin.
1:22:31
Don't trust any. You are you are not Sum it up
1:22:33
you. Really are a moron and you.
1:22:35
Don't have a? Standards of judgment, which
1:22:37
means you're a hypocrite. And.
1:22:40
You're a garbage God of the faith.
1:22:42
You don't have any. Oh, oh, so Christian.
1:22:45
Crowdy. So admitting to getting blowjobs
1:22:47
from effeminate men when you're bored is godly, but me just
1:22:50
pointing out. That you're 17?
1:22:52
Why are you bringing that up? You think I'm currently gay?
1:22:55
You brought it up on the Internet.
1:22:57
OK, that was 17 years ago. So what?
1:23:01
What does that do for anyone or anything?
1:23:03
Who cares? Why do you care about that?
1:23:06
Am I getting blow jobs now TGR? Am I admitting to getting blow
1:23:10
jobs now? Am I going out to the gay bars?
1:23:13
Am I telling stories now all proud of it?
1:23:15
Or did I tell a story from 17 freaking years ago?
1:23:18
Why even bring it up? And by the way, if Josh is
1:23:21
clearly not guilty of the narrative, which he isn't
1:23:24
because all the information the narrative was false is there,
1:23:27
you just ignore it. And awfully emotional for not
1:23:29
being Josh. Maybe I'm getting emotional
1:23:32
because you're a lying, slandering, snot nose little
1:23:34
sniveling rodent and all you do is ignore evidence and hand wave
1:23:38
away the things that show the narrative you adopted is false
1:23:42
and you're so prideful and so evil in your heart that you just
1:23:45
will not even give. Rejection.
1:23:48
Well, you won't give a reasonable doubt to each you are
1:23:50
in the system is supposed to be beyond a reasonable doubt.
1:23:52
And I don't think you showed that today.
1:23:54
I don't think you showed anything beyond a reasonable
1:23:56
doubt. I think you just made a bunch of
1:23:58
conjecture and said, well, it kind of looks like it.
1:24:01
And I I have no evidence to show this was the case and all the.
1:24:03
Details I mentioned well like like.
1:24:05
Like, like, like what? What did you say?
1:24:07
Josh didn't have an attorney? Where'd you get that?
1:24:11
Literally. Factually on the actual part
1:24:13
documents. Oh, really?
1:24:15
So maybe you just don't know how to read the court documents
1:24:17
you're claiming to believe because he.
1:24:19
Did have the category and even long reasons he had an.
1:24:22
Attorney, everyone knows he had the.
1:24:24
Term the category of attorney, it said Self, unless there's a
1:24:29
guy whose last name himself. OK, where was that self
1:24:32
representation? What document are you
1:24:33
referencing? What document?
1:24:35
It's a document from the courthouse that you went to.
1:24:37
What court? What courthouse?
1:24:39
What document? What is it?
1:24:41
What does it say? Hey, you know the facts of
1:24:43
Josh's case, so. No, you're the.
1:24:45
One you should know what the name of the court.
1:24:47
You're the one claiming to know. Even Rob Reed knows he had a
1:24:50
lawyer. Why don't you know that?
1:24:54
Because you don't know anything. You really don't even know
1:24:56
anything you're reading. You're clueless.
1:24:58
You don't know anything about the case, you don't know
1:25:00
anything about the details, you have no evidence for the
1:25:03
narrative that was given, and she even has provably lied.
1:25:07
You don't even answer the fact that she was blatantly lying in
1:25:10
multiple instances. These aren't even the ones from
1:25:12
the actual case file that were shared.
1:25:15
That she's that she lied through her teeth and all that
1:25:18
information that was put out that every event that she
1:25:21
mentioned that she made reference to happened years
1:25:24
after she claimed it did and no one paid attention to that.
1:25:27
You just want to run with her narrative.
1:25:29
You just like her narrative and you have no.
1:25:32
Evidence you care about her one way or the other.
1:25:34
Well, clearly you do, because clearly she's very believable
1:25:37
even though she's been caught in blatant lies.
1:25:39
And you still believe it. You believe it even now because
1:25:41
the government told you to with no evidence.
1:25:43
Is there anything else the government tells you with no
1:25:46
evidence to believe that you believe TGOR or you?
1:25:49
Just another once. Again, you're getting awfully
1:25:51
emotional for someone. Who?
1:25:52
Yeah, well, you're awfully. Nathan Matter.
1:25:54
About well, you're awfully stupid, not able to answer any
1:25:57
of your slander. That's what I'll say.
1:25:59
You can. You can say I'm awfully
1:26:00
emotional, but you know what? Maybe I am emotional about a
1:26:03
retard like you calling me calling me a pedophile with a
1:26:06
real. Very Christ like my.
1:26:08
Maybe. Maybe.
1:26:09
Well, no. You're being real evil and I'm
1:26:11
calling you what you are T2 are you are you are a spineless,
1:26:15
cowardly rodent. And that's why I had to come
1:26:17
over here to do this. 'Cause you know, you said I was
1:26:20
a coward who wouldn't face you directly.
1:26:22
Well, here I am here. Oh, on your channel, in your
1:26:25
environment, 'cause you wouldn't come to mind.
1:26:27
This is actually the second time.
1:26:29
Well, we would be on Brett's channel right now if you 2
1:26:31
hadn't screamed. Well, great, that would be
1:26:34
another third party. Now I'm in an adverse
1:26:36
environment with a bunch of degenerates to come and
1:26:38
challenge me and you've made. You got to speak uninterrupted
1:26:41
for a long time. Yeah, so did you.
1:26:44
I didn't know we had 20 minute openings.
1:26:45
Someone should have told me that.
1:26:47
I would have prepped for that. I mean, really?
1:26:50
Just repeated yourself with the same garbage epistemology over
1:26:52
and over. You don't even follow basic
1:26:54
logic. DGO.
1:26:55
You don't. You don't like the format we
1:26:57
chose? You have not answered a single
1:26:59
one of my retorts at all, and all you've done is ask a couple
1:27:02
questions, which I. You've brought up a bunch of
1:27:04
stuff about government and epistemology.
1:27:06
Why do you believe in? Why do you believe her
1:27:09
narrative? Why?
1:27:11
Why do you believe it? What do you mean?
1:27:18
Why do? Why do you believe her
1:27:20
narrative? Is true.
1:27:21
It's a simple question. Yeah, casting doubt on the
1:27:25
victims. You're only just like Kenny
1:27:27
Rhodes did. You're you can't answer.
1:27:29
You absolutely can't answer. You have no epistemological
1:27:32
warrant to believe a word she said.
1:27:33
You know it, so you're just clicking.
1:27:35
The systemology has nothing to do with it it.
1:27:37
Does What is epistemology? What is epistemology?
1:27:40
T2R What is it? It's irrelevant to this.
1:27:44
Discussion. You don't know you're the.
1:27:46
Only things you are an. Idiot.
1:27:49
Yeah, you need to be quiet for a bit.
1:27:52
As a matter of fact, if you keep doing this, Smokey, I'm.
1:27:55
Just going, you're a fucking clown.
1:27:56
I'm gone. All right.
1:27:58
So shall I bring some people up in here or what you guys
1:28:02
agreeable on that? Yep.
1:28:05
All right, let's see. We got Dustin.
1:28:07
Let's bring him back. Dustin, I you don't have to
1:28:10
apologize, understand? You're very passionate.
1:28:12
It's a very serious topic. We got somebody called Bruce.
1:28:17
We've got a lot of people backstage.
1:28:19
So John, what's your view on all this as well as Bruce?
1:28:24
I would I would like Smokey to come back.
1:28:27
I I have a question for him and I I think it will resolve a lot
1:28:32
of things and it is frustrating that he that he left especially
1:28:37
when he treats people like crap like he does.
1:28:40
He just ratted himself out, he said.
1:28:44
I am the first person to bring up a rape kit.
1:28:47
And then he turns around and says that Josh or, or what was
1:28:51
it? Rob Reed already confirmed there
1:28:53
was no rape kit. Josh, come on back in.
1:29:00
I I got I Smokey, come on, come back in.
1:29:06
You know, come on, man. Come on back in.
1:29:08
I I do have a question for you. I've put this off for a long
1:29:11
time and I'm tired of everything I heard tonight.
1:29:16
Look, I think he treat people like garbage.
1:29:18
That's my issue with you. But you've been on here tonight
1:29:21
telling people you're not this guy, and you got your buddy Ryan
1:29:27
constantly sticking up for you. So I'm going to use what Ryan
1:29:30
told me if you will come back in.
1:29:33
We're talking about Ryan the Presbyterian, right?
1:29:36
Yes, yes, he, he, he. And it's, this is something I
1:29:41
want to talk with Smokey about. He'll know.
1:29:45
He'll know what the issue is. And this goes way back early,
1:29:49
early on because Ryan is the one who told me what his name is way
1:29:54
early on. So come on, Smokey, come back
1:29:56
in. Let's just take care of it and
1:29:58
get it done. Bruce is telling the truth.
1:30:00
Ryan actually told me as well. Yes, he did.
1:30:04
And if you, I don't know if the same thing happened to you as it
1:30:08
did me, but instead of her bell, it was her Dell with AD because
1:30:14
that's what he heard on an answering machine and that's how
1:30:18
he heard it. He got the one syllable, the one
1:30:21
letter off. And you know, that was really
1:30:25
early on. And I asked Josh about it.
1:30:29
Well, I'm calling him Josh just because, you know, that's comes
1:30:32
to mind after tonight hearing his name over and over.
1:30:35
But I asked him about it and he, you know, there is an issue,
1:30:41
obviously, you know, and I'm sure he remembers that.
1:30:45
So anyhow, we could address that.
1:30:47
I don't really care who the heck he is.
1:30:48
You know, like I said, he, he just treats people like crap.
1:30:52
That's my issue here on YouTube, not this stuff.
1:30:55
But to sit here and listen to him go on and on and on saying
1:30:57
it's not him and talk like in third person for this Josh guy,
1:31:01
it's irritating. See, I don't what I don't
1:31:05
understand. When it was about a year ago,
1:31:09
Ryan absolutely hated Smokey and Kenny Rhodes, right?
1:31:13
Absolutely hated them. And now he's doing the buddy
1:31:17
buddy thing. I don't know what that's all
1:31:18
about, but man, they said some pretty terrible things about
1:31:21
each other for sure. Yeah, I still remember when
1:31:26
Kenny Rhodes went on video and actually threatened to come beat
1:31:29
Ryan up at his house and was trying to contact his church so
1:31:33
that he could see where Ryan Lyft.
1:31:35
I mean, that was pretty extreme stuff going on back then, so.
1:31:39
Well, Ryan, the master. The Smokey and Miss Smokey, if
1:31:43
you're listening, the reason why a lot of people have all this
1:31:46
information and know the things they do is because of the very
1:31:49
people you hang out with in your room, the people you're calling
1:31:52
your buddies. Well, he's attacking the SDA guy
1:31:56
Jamie now, so apparently that's OK.
1:32:00
You know, just so he's doing her dirty work, you know?
1:32:04
A TTOR? If you don't mind, can you
1:32:06
explain to people that you weren't even dealing with smoke?
1:32:10
He had no interest in him whatsoever, You were actually
1:32:13
hanging out of the room and he initiated the attack on you
1:32:16
first. Correct or am I wrong?
1:32:18
Correct, correct. No, that's correct, because I
1:32:21
was around in 2022 when all this stuff first came out.
1:32:25
But I didn't really participate much in that debate other than
1:32:29
having my video about Kenny Rose trying to normalize pedophilia
1:32:33
in the aftermath half of that. But then I let that go.
1:32:37
I focused on other content for years, and then about a month
1:32:40
ago, I was in a live stream with Gangster Ghost, thinking I was
1:32:44
just going to have a chill live stream where we talked about
1:32:46
entertainment stuff. I never thought in a million
1:32:49
years that Smokey St. was going to show up in the chat and then
1:32:53
come into the room a couple minutes later.
1:32:55
And so I wasn't fully prepared to present evidence of Smokey
1:33:01
St. being a convicted pedo at the time because I didn't wake
1:33:04
up that morning or wake up at any morning prior to that
1:33:07
thinking I was going to see him again, much less face off
1:33:10
against him directly. And so I did that stream.
1:33:14
Go ahead. Oh, well, I, I did that stream
1:33:16
and I made my follow up video and then he started leaving
1:33:21
comments on your live streams, Brett, about me as well as
1:33:24
insulting you. And then he eventually started
1:33:27
going after me on my YouTube community post, ironically on a
1:33:31
topic that wasn't about him at all.
1:33:33
And then that's what led to this.
1:33:37
Now my first interaction with Smokey whenever he returned was
1:33:44
I actually went over to his text and everything and I seen that
1:33:47
he was live and I heard people saying that he got married to
1:33:51
Miss Smokey and there was a kid on the way or something like
1:33:54
that. And I said Congrats, I was nice.
1:33:57
And then I went on my way after saying a couple comments like
1:34:01
hello to folks and all that. Had no interest in him
1:34:03
whatsoever. But he started making videos and
1:34:06
leaving posts like I'm a fat corpse and he hopes that my fat
1:34:10
heart dies and all this. Now this didn't change the fact
1:34:15
that when I'm moderating, I always remain neutral and try to
1:34:19
stay chill and let everybody have their word and all that.
1:34:23
But I want to. I want to let everybody know
1:34:25
something. For those who don't know TTR,
1:34:27
there's a lot of Christians in the community that know him.
1:34:29
TTR does not initiate attacks on people.
1:34:32
He does not call people names. You have to do something really
1:34:36
seriously terrible like Josh I mean Smokey does in order to get
1:34:42
him. He does not make live streams
1:34:45
where he ever calls people cockroaches or demons or you're
1:34:49
going to F and burn in hell and and all that.
1:34:52
I'm just telling you from my own personal experience as well as a
1:34:55
majority of the community. If you watch any of TTRS videos
1:34:59
he doesn't have you can't find 3 times where he cusses.
1:35:04
He doesn't even cuss folks and I've been trying to work on him
1:35:07
on that. I'd be willing to bet Wait, I'd
1:35:11
be willing to bet he's cursed at me at least once.
1:35:16
What do you think TTR? I'd be cussed him out at least
1:35:18
once. I don't remember doing that.
1:35:21
If I did, I apologize. No need.
1:35:24
No need for apology TTOR. If you did, I probably deserved
1:35:28
it. Well, I Brett.
1:35:30
Is right. Brett is right though, I rarely.
1:35:33
I never cuss in my personal life and I almost never have on
1:35:36
videos before I it's just not my thing.
1:35:40
I tried to focus on facts, evidence, logic, reason, and
1:35:44
even after my run in with Smokey St. a month ago on the Gangster
1:35:47
Ghost channel and even after the back and forth I had with him
1:35:51
briefly with my most recent uploads, this live stream would
1:35:56
not have happened if he hadn't been calling for it.
1:35:58
He's the one that wanted this night to happen, and he's the
1:36:02
one who sought me out. If you had just left me alone, I
1:36:05
would have been content to go on my merry way after the last
1:36:08
video or two I made. About when Speaking of cussing,
1:36:10
do you mind if I it's a test quiz?
1:36:14
I'll just ramble off some cuss words and tell me what comes to
1:36:17
mind. Is that OK?
1:36:19
Just. Oh.
1:36:20
Come on. Well, OK, no.
1:36:22
No, no, no. It's OK.
1:36:24
Oh, you'll understand. Let me just throw these words
1:36:27
out. People can type in the chat
1:36:29
just. Tell me, is this like a So this
1:36:31
is like a you throw out words and then I just say what comes
1:36:34
to my mind. Yeah, like, OK, I'll just say
1:36:36
whore, bitch, slut, cunt. Who?
1:36:38
Who comes to mind? Smokey St.
1:36:42
There we go. Isn't that a shame?
1:36:45
That's a shame, but it's true. TTOR.
1:36:49
Hold on a second, Hillary Clinton.
1:36:52
Oh, OK, that's acceptable answer.
1:36:54
OK, TTOR question. OK, have you have you run facial
1:36:59
recognition software to identify that that the person in these
1:37:03
photos are in fact the same person?
1:37:07
I have not, no. That's something we should look
1:37:10
into 'cause he can't repeat. That TTOR you got to be careful
1:37:16
he allow up like that. If you don't know who they are,
1:37:19
you don't want to get porn bombed.
1:37:22
Just saying brother, just saying.
1:37:26
It is a pretty feisty chat. So, all right, story.
1:37:33
Who are you? I'm David.
1:37:36
Nice to meet you, man. Likewise, what is your worldview
1:37:41
and what is your thoughts on tonight?
1:37:47
I don't know what you mean by worldview.
1:37:48
Can you expand on that? Like, are you a Christian?
1:37:50
Are you an atheist or agnostic? Are you a Muslim?
1:37:53
You know, that kind of thing. I'm a Christian and I've I've
1:37:57
I've known Smokey since 2018. I've been around Bruce and
1:38:00
Smokey before and I I see Smokey is a bit of a narcissist.
1:38:04
I've seen this stuff going on. For a while.
1:38:07
And like I said in the chat, like I what he said, just like
1:38:12
he knows way too much about the case and he spent way too much
1:38:15
prove the innocence. I don't know.
1:38:17
But like Bruce said, the really the problem I have with him is
1:38:20
that he's narcissistic and he's very hateful and he tries to
1:38:23
shame people and say they're not Christian, but.
1:38:25
The way he acts as in Christ, like at all.
1:38:28
You sound like Lupin and. That's totally what I think too.
1:38:32
I mean, let's throw out the whole convicted pito thing.
1:38:36
Even if that wasn't a thing for Smokey St.
1:38:39
I'd still have the same opinion about him because of his
1:38:42
narcissism, because of his just downright filthy language in the
1:38:46
horrible way he treats anyone who disagrees with him.
1:38:50
You don't need to be a convicted pedo to be that way.
1:38:53
He's just got that going alongside that problem.
1:38:56
But he's a horrible, horrible narcissist.
1:38:59
And you can see on the live stream tonight, just with the
1:39:01
way he rambled on and on and the way every other paragraph, he
1:39:05
would basically attack me personally.
1:39:08
That's what a narcissist does. Yeah, like even.
1:39:11
If you're a. Person.
1:39:13
Someone who's a railer did not have anything to do with them,
1:39:15
even if they're just a railer. I mean, anyone with the Holy
1:39:18
Spirit would separate themselves from a person like that.
1:39:22
And wouldn't you think, like a relatively normal person, if
1:39:26
they got angry and called a woman, the things that I just
1:39:29
said would say they're sorry or something, like they'd at least
1:39:33
apologize, you think, or they wouldn't say it at all.
1:39:35
But I mean, I've heard that kind of thing of said to women quite
1:39:39
a few times and he just doesn't seem to care.
1:39:43
I'm having a hard time understanding somebody who shows
1:39:46
up to a debate under the understanding that they didn't
1:39:49
have to to prove anything at all.
1:39:52
One of the things I'm wondering, though, Dustin and Bruce, I
1:39:55
don't know if you caught it as well as teeth you are, but he
1:39:58
seemed very angry at the the girl who was violated.
1:40:02
And he seemed to think that he knew so much about how her mind
1:40:06
works and how her brain works that she couldn't possibly be
1:40:09
telling the truth. Now, how would he have any kind
1:40:13
of inclination or Blues clues or understanding of this if that
1:40:17
was the case? And news unit, I need to let you
1:40:20
know I was the one that put you out because I've heard you
1:40:23
actually laugh at people about their children dying and you've
1:40:26
threatened to end people's. Lives we don't want to violate
1:40:30
terms of service and get brother TTOR in some kind of trouble.
1:40:34
So if you're worried about getting kicked that was me and I
1:40:38
have no remorse. So Brett TTORI, hope you don't
1:40:42
have any issue with that. I just wanted to protect your
1:40:45
stream. No, thank you.
1:40:47
I apologize for doing a Smokey cussing, I put that offended
1:40:52
anybody. It's just sad, though it is a.
1:40:55
Shame, I can hear cussing. I heard you say Smokey St. over
1:40:59
and over and over again. I was like what?
1:41:01
Wait, what? I think you're no cussing.
1:41:04
OK, I get it. That's funny.
1:41:06
Just real quick, I want to say something.
1:41:07
The news, you know, I've seen what you look like.
1:41:09
I know what you sound like. I've heard all the recordings of
1:41:12
your threats and all that. I'm 6 foot five, 250 lbs of pure
1:41:16
sexual, erotic power. You don't make me nervous, Sir.
1:41:19
Move along. Go ahead.
1:41:21
And I'm the and I'm the same size 2 so don't think about
1:41:25
doing it to me either. You're 250, you look a lot
1:41:28
slimmer than me. I'm actually about two 65270
1:41:33
but. Really.
1:41:35
Well, I haven't been on a scale in a while.
1:41:37
When I was in. They always scream when I step
1:41:39
on them so I stay away from them.
1:41:43
Yeah, well when I was a in shape basketball player when I was in
1:41:47
my 20s, I was about 235 lbs. So I have put on some weight but
1:41:52
but I'm tall and I got long arms so it doesn't.
1:41:55
I don't look bigger than I actually AM.
1:42:00
I have all that length and frame to stretch my weight out.
1:42:03
Over so I don't We have entire recordings of their voice.
1:42:08
We can do AI analysis and compare them to see if the
1:42:11
frequencies are the same. We have pictures of their faces.
1:42:15
We can do cross reference analysis, I don't we need.
1:42:20
Help. If he was innocent though
1:42:22
Dustin, he could have just showed the ID or he could have
1:42:25
just simply had his buddy, supposedly his doppelganger or
1:42:30
the Mandela Effect guy that he pulled out of the multiverse and
1:42:34
and do a damn show with him. He wouldn't have needed to show
1:42:37
his ID, he just would have had to show his birth certificate.
1:42:41
Or OR. I like the idea of him bringing
1:42:45
Joshua on if Joshua's really a different person, because if
1:42:48
they're both on the screen at the same time, then he would
1:42:52
have all of the credibility in the world.
1:42:54
You mind if I ask? You SO is telling do.
1:42:57
You mind if I ask you guys a question?
1:42:59
Get your opinion on on something?
1:43:01
If if say Smokey treated people in a different manner, say he
1:43:07
was more respectful of other people, do you think we'd even
1:43:11
be here discussing this issue? If if.
1:43:14
You're Bruce. I owe you an apology.
1:43:17
I'm sorry. I thought you were somebody
1:43:19
else. Oh, OK.
1:43:20
No, no. Yeah, that's me.
1:43:22
Yeah. Yeah.
1:43:23
I wondered why you were telling me to shut up.
1:43:25
I thought you were somebody else.
1:43:27
Never mind. But if, if he treated people
1:43:31
differently, I, I myself would not have even gotten involved in
1:43:36
this tonight. You know, honestly I wouldn't.
1:43:40
And I wonder if other people would be different too if he
1:43:43
actually came back and treated people differently.
1:43:47
I didn't think. I'll.
1:43:49
Be honest with you Bruce, I personally think things would
1:43:52
have been a lot better for him if he wasn't so terrible at 90%
1:43:56
of the Christian community. Can't stand him.
1:43:59
And as far as this goes, let's say he was really nice and he
1:44:02
was a complete and utter sweetheart.
1:44:03
Owned a poodle and everything and he still was charged with
1:44:08
this. If he would just get up on video
1:44:11
and say look it's me and I have tried to change and do something
1:44:15
with my life. Sure, some people hold it
1:44:18
against him, but others would forgive, right?
1:44:20
I really believe some would actually forgive him, but he's.
1:44:24
Not working on me, whatever. And that's then this is now I, I
1:44:29
mean, I kind of get some of that, but but usually it's with
1:44:32
an attitude and then he's cussing people, which I get he's
1:44:34
pissed off over all this. But but when I just see somebody
1:44:38
disagrees with him or his attitude or something, next
1:44:41
thing you know, he's cussing him out and tearing him up and, you
1:44:44
know, crashing people all over the place that go like, what the
1:44:46
heck. I mean, of course people don't
1:44:48
aren't going to like them, you know?
1:44:51
I'm totally, I'm totally with you Bruce on the whole concept
1:44:55
of if Smokey St. was a much nicer person he wouldn't get the
1:44:59
hate he does. None of my videos about him in
1:45:02
the last month would exist. If he was a repentant man who
1:45:06
actually treated people right, or at least tried to, I would
1:45:09
have left him alone. But the fact of the matter is he
1:45:12
did not leave me alone. He challenged me over the claim
1:45:16
of him being a convicted pedophile.
1:45:18
And he just kept coming, kept being nasty.
1:45:21
So everything that happened between me and him is all on
1:45:26
him. But I will say if he did come
1:45:29
out and say, you know what, you're right, guys, that was me.
1:45:33
I'm sorry I did that. And I'm really trying to be
1:45:36
different than I used to be. And I'm a work in progress.
1:45:39
And I just hope you guys can forgive me while I'm on this
1:45:43
journey of sanctification if he did something like that,
1:45:46
something along that line. It would be over for that man.
1:45:51
It would be over. You would.
1:45:54
It would be over. It would be.
1:45:55
Over. It would be over for that.
1:46:04
There's also another thing too. The reason why we're even having
1:46:07
the show is because he pleaded for it to happen.
1:46:11
He. Came to his old barbecue and he
1:46:16
didn't like the flavor. Yeah, so we didn't.
1:46:20
We didn't go her chicken, her Boo Boo.
1:46:22
You better come in here. You're a coward.
1:46:25
No, that was his words towards us.
1:46:26
So here we are. He he built his own execution
1:46:31
chair and sat in it. That's his problem, not mine.
1:46:37
Yeah, I just want to say that that video that you shared of
1:46:39
Jack in the live stream, there was another channel that Smokey
1:46:44
went live on and actually showed his face.
1:46:46
Bruce knows the guy, the the pandas and aliens and Hot Wheels
1:46:49
guy. Bruce, you know who that is?
1:46:51
Remember his name? Oh, he was on.
1:46:53
No, Bruce. Sister Sunshine, Sister
1:46:55
Sunshine. She was on that.
1:46:58
Yeah, well, that that live stream that you show to the Josh
1:47:03
guy, I actually did an AI facial recognition with that when he
1:47:06
showed his face on Sister Sunshine.
1:47:08
It was like a 79.9% probability, but it was inconclusive.
1:47:14
Well, that's because back then he used to wear that hat and
1:47:17
he'd hide his eyes and parted like the top part of his face.
1:47:19
Yeah, but it was still that's. Usually that's usually a pixel
1:47:24
resolution issue. If you go back and re enhance
1:47:28
the picture you might get better identification points.
1:47:33
Possibly so the link. Is it could be?
1:47:36
Anybody else wants to come in and share their views or ideas
1:47:40
on this? It's being mentioned in the side
1:47:44
chat, but you know, he does now show his face on all his
1:47:48
streams. Yeah, that's that's definitely
1:47:50
true. And that's what I started off
1:47:52
talking about today too, is I showed a 45 second clip of one
1:47:56
of his most recent streams just to establish that, you know,
1:48:00
this is what he looks like, this is how he talks, this is what he
1:48:02
sounds like. And he's on a webcam now, which
1:48:05
he wasn't three years ago, so. Yeah, my suggestion for Smokey,
1:48:13
if he's listening, he needs, if you really want to carry on
1:48:17
doing live shows and do the Christian, but you're going to
1:48:20
have to have repentance. If you don't do that and you
1:48:23
don't ask God for forgiveness and be honest then, and nobody's
1:48:27
going to take you seriously and what you're doing.
1:48:29
You just, you're your own worst enemy.
1:48:31
You need to fix that. And that's all I got to say
1:48:34
about that. I mean, this is this is the
1:48:37
simplest thing in the world to fix, man.
1:48:41
Go to the court, file a motion before the judge to have your
1:48:44
identification clarified. Once you have it in order form
1:48:48
submitted in an affidavit, notarize it and then shove it up
1:48:52
everybody's rear end. It's not hard.
1:48:56
Yeah, I don't know. I treat other people the way
1:48:59
you'd want to be treated, and people probably let this stuff
1:49:01
go. My opinion to some degree.
1:49:05
I mean, I realize none of us, you know, we're all going to
1:49:07
screw up, but I mean, if you treat people like crap, you're
1:49:09
going to cop an attitude like this.
1:49:13
Yep, and that's the point I've been making every chance I can
1:49:18
in a live stream or somewhere else.
1:49:20
The way Smokey St. treats people alone proves that he is, well, a
1:49:26
really horrible narcissist. And he doesn't display fruits of
1:49:29
the spirit, but he does display the works of the flesh.
1:49:32
I'm convinced based on the way he treats people alone and the
1:49:35
way he speaks to people that Smokey St. is not a saved
1:49:38
Christian. Just.
1:49:40
Off of that. The teaching is that I'm, I
1:49:45
believe in conditionalism to a good degree and I know that's
1:49:49
the teaching that they teach and that's where it, it's so
1:49:52
confusing to me. How can you teach conditional
1:49:56
salvation? And then, yeah, I don't even, I
1:49:59
don't even get it. I don't know why they don't get
1:50:02
some form of conviction. You know, somehow like I, I
1:50:05
don't even comprehend it. So Bond says he's on Cam every
1:50:10
stream he's hosts, referring to Smokey St. and I want to point
1:50:13
out to you, Bond, I used to watch that is that is true.
1:50:17
Now it is true that Smokey St. shows his Cam on every stream he
1:50:21
hosts now. But back in 2022 when all this
1:50:25
stuff first broke out and came out, he did not.
1:50:29
He would always have his cartoon hooded avatar and he would
1:50:32
refuse to turn his webcam on no matter how much people pushed
1:50:36
him to. I.
1:50:39
Used to watch, I used to watch him all the time.
1:50:42
Yeah. That he's, he's never used to
1:50:45
turn his Cam on like I used to be really like I used to.
1:50:48
I used to like Smokey. I used to like his, his
1:50:51
teachings, like, and then I heard that he was a pedophile
1:50:55
and like, he's not refuting it. He's not refuting like, look,
1:51:00
this isn't hard. This really isn't hard.
1:51:03
Dude. Like it all these people can't
1:51:06
say the same thing about you and it not be true, especially from
1:51:10
completely opposite ends and walks of life.
1:51:14
You, you're, you're, you're trying to get people to believe
1:51:17
that this lady made-up a story and convinced all these people.
1:51:22
It doesn't make sense, man. But he also is not Josh.
1:51:26
But at the same time, he has a deep, personal, intimate
1:51:29
knowledge of Josh's mindset and the case and the victim and all
1:51:34
of that. And he's really emotional about
1:51:36
it. You can feel the Alex Jones type
1:51:38
of rage just coming off of him. But somehow he's not Josh.
1:51:44
Medical information would not necessarily show up in an
1:51:48
initial disclosure or even motion to discovery because of
1:51:53
this thing called, I forgot what it is now.
1:51:57
It's it protects medical information.
1:52:00
HIPAA, right? Yeah, HIPAA, Right.
1:52:02
HIPAA wouldn't allow that. OK.
1:52:05
I don't know why he doesn't know that.
1:52:07
He's he claims like you have intimate knowledge of this case,
1:52:11
there would have been mention. Of these things Josh gave Josh
1:52:14
leaked to us the documents. Yeah, I'm sure he did.
1:52:21
I'm like what Dude? Look, this is the reason that if
1:52:25
a if a rape kit wouldn't show up in evidence is because the only
1:52:29
evidence that's allowed in a court case that you're in is
1:52:31
evidence that works against you. This is why you need to file a
1:52:35
Brady request. OK?
1:52:37
Because an officer is not going to volunteer exculpatory
1:52:40
evidence if there's a rumor or say like a a witness was to spin
1:52:45
a wild tale. Do you think the details at that
1:52:47
point would be relevant in any way any case unless it was to
1:52:51
prove guilt? Not to a police officer and
1:52:54
certainly not to the court. So if you wanted the the three O
1:52:57
4's that represent the the whole story, you would need to file a
1:53:02
Brady request is. There any comments I would like
1:53:10
to share your opinion. If you want to you can come in.
1:53:12
The link is penned as well as posted out there if anybody
1:53:16
wants to share their views. And I see Cheryl in the comment
1:53:20
section, said Nicholas Whitamir knows it is him.
1:53:23
He was his best YouTube friend and backstage live with him.
1:53:27
I would be interested in hearing more about that personally so
1:53:32
Cheryl knows that story. Cheryl can come right on in
1:53:35
through the stream yard link that's pinned and we can talk
1:53:38
more about that if you know the details.
1:53:41
I'd love to hear from Cheryl. You and I, we talked to Tori
1:53:45
used to hang out with Sister Sunshine.
1:53:47
She was one of my favorite Christians to chill with and he
1:53:51
actually was nice to her at 1st and then whenever he started
1:53:54
doing his own show he brutalized her, attacked her repeatedly,
1:53:58
did nasty terrible things. But those who watched back in
1:54:02
the day, they remember, used to show himself on camera and
1:54:06
that's that. Do you remember, Brett?
1:54:08
Remember when on Stream Yard when like I'd say you're having
1:54:12
a live show and you could join another Stream yard and
1:54:16
everybody in your chat could talk with him?
1:54:18
Do you remember when you could do that like number of years
1:54:20
ago, well before smoke, He went away anyhow for a while.
1:54:26
He, he was doing a stream at the same time I was, and that's
1:54:31
Sister Sunshine. And I guess there were like two
1:54:34
or three other women that he had all cussed out like this, you
1:54:37
know, and told off like that. And we joined his chat and they
1:54:41
were all like, he was he, the only thing he could really do is
1:54:45
laugh, you know, because he, he, he didn't know what to do.
1:54:50
Oh my gosh, it was funny though. I remember that stream that was
1:54:54
great. Yo, you remember that?
1:54:56
I think it was hilarious. Yeah.
1:54:58
I couldn't believe just. Just A Spud predicts that Smokey
1:55:03
St. will be doing a deflection stream soon.
1:55:07
Well when you do smoking make sure you put my link in the
1:55:10
description so people know where to find me.
1:55:14
I think I might just go join just to see what he says to me.
1:55:18
Well, if you want to Dustin, it's up to you guys.
1:55:21
I think that the TTOR is according to the poll out there,
1:55:25
which I agree and I voted. It looks like a majority of
1:55:29
people believe that Josh pretty much destroyed himself along
1:55:34
with the assistance of TTOR. All he did bro, all you did was
1:55:40
stick a tit like a banana in the tailpipe and you walked away
1:55:44
laughing. You want to know a little secret
1:55:49
about getting someone to expose themself?
1:55:51
Let him talk. Exactly.
1:55:54
Smokey talk so much tonight and that reveals everything people
1:55:59
needed to see. Oh, there's there's all kinds of
1:56:04
videos that could be made about what he said tonight.
1:56:07
Oh, so many. I imagine there's going to be
1:56:11
lots of clips. No, no, no, I don't know, Like I
1:56:16
was, I kind of look, here's The thing is like, I believe in
1:56:19
defense, right? Like I, I still with all this,
1:56:23
like I, I mean, at best you're still dealing with
1:56:26
circumstantial evidence. It's compelling.
1:56:30
It's it's, it's substantial, but it's still circumstantial,
1:56:36
right? He might get a conviction, but
1:56:39
it might also be turned over by a higher court.
1:56:43
Well, he does have a very distinctive look.
1:56:45
I mean, it's it's he's no Tom Cruise for sure.
1:56:49
To me looks kind of like a real version, a realistic version of
1:56:52
Mr. Potato Head. You don't get very many people
1:56:54
that look like that. Very distinctive.
1:56:57
You guys ever seen? Mr. Potato Head.
1:57:02
We're talking about the Toy Story character or someone else.
1:57:05
Yeah, the Toy Story looks just like Mr. Potato Head.
1:57:09
Look at the picture again. You'd be like, Oh my goodness,
1:57:11
that might be Josh. But I'm glad to see in the
1:57:15
comments that we managed to open someone's eyes tonight, burning,
1:57:19
Bush's channel says. Because tonight convinced me
1:57:22
never to interact with him again.
1:57:25
Good Smokey St. is not the kind of company you want to keep.
1:57:30
No, you don't want to keep that. Jesus.
1:57:32
I I can't believe I didn't see it before.
1:57:35
But then again, he was never talking about himself
1:57:37
personally. He buried himself.
1:57:39
Kind of like how some guilty people do.
1:57:42
They'll bury themselves in the back.
1:57:44
He kept talking about Josh in the third person as if he wasn't
1:57:47
Josh. That's why I kept saying, so how
1:57:49
did you do that? How did you?
1:57:51
Do that. That's why I joined.
1:57:52
That's why I joined the whole third person thing.
1:57:57
I'd just be. As far.
1:57:58
As hanging out with him just be careful in case he no nevermind
1:58:02
what I mean supposed to was it or is there Brandon.
1:58:06
Brandon Irish asks how old was the girl he victimized?
1:58:09
Well, the girl now is my age. She's 35.
1:58:12
But when she was, you know, molested, essentially she was
1:58:17
13. She was actually an eighth
1:58:19
grader, which I was an eighth grader and 13 years old at the
1:58:23
time of the offense. So just thinking about that, in
1:58:26
my perspective, it's like one of my classmates getting molested
1:58:30
by some guy at EU of O And just the thought of that makes me go
1:58:34
that's gross. You.
1:58:35
Realize. Do we know?
1:58:37
Do we know if there was actual sexual contact or was it just
1:58:40
lewd conversation over the Internet?
1:58:44
Well, he had four counts of statutory rape against him in
1:58:47
court. Statutory rape is yeah.
1:58:50
That's those charges were dropped because he took the plea
1:58:53
deal that says that, well, I'll just plead guilty to this lesser
1:58:57
charge that's also a sex crime against minors and then I won't
1:59:01
go to jail. Basically, it's what he took as
1:59:03
a plea deal, but he was facing statutory rape charges and he
1:59:07
was facing 25 years in a federal prison.
1:59:10
And this is a. Don't forget the registry list
1:59:14
DTR. He stays on that for how many
1:59:16
years? 10 years, so on.
1:59:18
March So on March 30th 2032, if he's a good boy and he doesn't
1:59:23
re offend, he might actually get removed from the registry.
1:59:27
Can Can you imagine a guy out of college messing around?
1:59:32
Well, yeah, in in college or just getting out, whatever.
1:59:35
Yeah, right. Could still be in college and
1:59:38
and messing around with like a junior high kid like that's
1:59:43
that's like. Oh man, yeah, I mean, I could.
1:59:49
Imagine it like back in like the 1800s maybe.
1:59:55
Maybe the 1500s, maybe. Or before so and.
1:59:58
Brandon asked how old was Josh. Josh was 21 at the time,
2:00:01
according to the sex offender registry.
2:00:06
Whoever the heck Josh is. Whoever the Josh is.
2:00:11
Joshua, Josh. Josh Josh St. the The Smoky
2:00:16
Josh. That's too.
2:00:24
That's too hard right there. I'm going to call him Smokey
2:00:27
Josh from now on. Yeah, calling him Josh, calling
2:00:34
him Joshua, that's a good idea. He's definitely.
2:00:38
Living in. Denial.
2:00:40
Dude, I mean look like I I don't know, I.
2:00:44
I love how garu ladies also living in denial just like
2:00:48
Smokey St. but girl was 16 not 13.
2:00:50
Get your facts straight. Well, I'm sorry, but the sex
2:00:54
offender registry says that she was 13 at the time of the
2:00:57
offense, so smoke that. We need to like tackle them,
2:01:03
take some DNA because like the that's the only way to know for
2:01:09
sure dude like I. Guess DNA is good, but no not
2:01:13
we're not going to do that, just had to.
2:01:15
Throw that out. There, all he's got to do is get
2:01:17
this multi. All he's got to do is go to the
2:01:19
multiverse and get that other jobs he keeps talking about and
2:01:23
get him on the screen. Yes.
2:01:25
That's right, this is a multiverse episode I forgot.
2:01:28
Yeah. No effect is what it is.
2:01:32
Oh no, now we're jumping around in time.
2:01:36
You know, Thick loves that. Oh, he loves something about
2:01:39
that. I don't know.
2:01:42
Man, like I, I, I kind of, there's a part of me that kind
2:01:45
of holds the guys innocent. Ronnie Macaroni brings up an
2:01:49
excellent point. Why don't we focus on
2:01:51
rehabilitation? You know that that's a great
2:01:54
idea. But Smokey Sink is in denial and
2:01:58
he doesn't want to face who he is and what he did.
2:02:00
So you can't rehabilitate someone who lives like that.
2:02:04
But he does get out of denial and he admits who he is and what
2:02:08
he's done. Then rehabilitation can take
2:02:10
place and redemption can happen. In general, the age group, at
2:02:15
least here on this part of YouTube, it does it is
2:02:19
predominantly people of age. You know, it's not doesn't
2:02:23
appear to be a lot of kids, you know that kind of thing.
2:02:25
So I don't know. I because of that I don't worry
2:02:29
about it much. Are we talking about age wise or
2:02:33
mentally? Yeah.
2:02:36
I just wanted a clarification. On that, yeah, I don't know.
2:02:42
I can just hear him going off now, ranting and raving and
2:02:45
calling everybody a bunch of this fat and that and that and
2:02:48
whatever. Oh well.
2:02:52
And then and then you know that the holy people I'm not.
2:02:55
Just the truth bomb. You do realize though.
2:02:59
Just drop the proof bomb down. There, you do realize there will
2:03:03
be all these holy type of people.
2:03:05
I'm I'm not trying to be ignorant or rude, but I'm
2:03:07
serious about this. This is what kills me with this
2:03:09
stuff. Well, doxing people who dox
2:03:12
people who lie, they do all this kind of stuff, support this
2:03:16
garbage. They will be there all like
2:03:19
feeling bad for them. And I'm like, you got to be
2:03:23
kidding. Like how long does this even go
2:03:25
on? Like I, I don't get it.
2:03:27
I like how, how do they tell people that they're not being
2:03:33
godly? Anyhow, I, I think I'll stop.
2:03:38
I can't believe it. Just unreal.
2:03:44
All you have to do actually in this group, I hate to say it,
2:03:48
I'm not trying to promote anything or anything, but I have
2:03:51
noticed that the thing that qualifies people would be good.
2:03:56
It seems to me amongst some of these guys is if they hate Free
2:04:00
Grace, then then they're OK. That's the only common
2:04:05
denominator. I Smokey's crowd you know you're
2:04:09
talking about. The once saved, always saved
2:04:12
position. Right, right.
2:04:13
And and, and, and and that, yeah, that and to the point of
2:04:18
where you would call it free grace.
2:04:19
So that at what I have found is it is just my observation that
2:04:24
if they hate free grace or really dislike people who who
2:04:29
teach it, then they're accepted. And that that's just bizarre to
2:04:34
me. That's that's not really a
2:04:36
qualification. There's there's, there's another
2:04:40
word for that, Bruce. They call it a cult.
2:04:43
Yeah, well, they're, you know, reason everyone else for being a
2:04:47
cult, you know, But whatever. Yeah.
2:04:49
Like, I mean, I swear they're the.
2:04:50
Cults of bumping. A gold cults of bumping.
2:04:54
Particles. Well, Dustin, Yeah.
2:04:56
So you know exactly what I'm talking about.
2:04:58
You know where I'm at. Yeah.
2:04:59
It's a very small cult of personality is what Smokey is, a
2:05:03
very small one. I don't know, man, Bond the
2:05:07
other day was like ready to die for him.
2:05:09
Was like ready to jump on the sword for him.
2:05:12
Like I don't know, man. There there are some people that
2:05:15
that that I don't. Does he have like beer flavored
2:05:18
nipples? I don't understand what is it
2:05:23
that I'm missing? Like why, why do these people
2:05:28
like dime on the sword, you know, to try and and and defend
2:05:33
the, the, the reputation of a man that I mean, I, I probably,
2:05:37
I bet they probably don't know him any better than I do.
2:05:40
A. Lot of sin talk going on in the
2:05:46
YouTube's comment section. Yeah.
2:05:52
That's not relevant to this discussion.
2:05:53
It's their own little conversation.
2:05:55
I mean, it's it's parallel kind of.
2:05:57
Fits Yeah. Well is there anyone out in the
2:06:03
chat who wants to join in? I'll give a couple more minutes
2:06:07
for you guys to get in if you want, and if you do, we'll go
2:06:09
for another half hour. That's my answer right now.
2:06:16
So, yeah, I'm just, well, I think back on this, what
2:06:20
happened earlier in the stream. I'm just thinking, wow, I just
2:06:26
can't believe the hubris and the narcissism that Smokey St. went
2:06:30
on. Like, I saw it coming.
2:06:31
I figured he'd do it. But it's another thing to just
2:06:35
be, you know, in front of it and be a witness and be the target
2:06:38
of it. And yeah, I I try to keep my
2:06:42
cool as best as I can. I don't think he addressed the
2:06:46
single thing you said. Not really no, but that's pretty
2:06:50
common for narcissists and convicted pedos like him is.
2:06:54
They will never address what you say and then pretend they did.
2:06:58
It's common practice. I don't, I don't think he
2:07:02
didn't. He didn't say well, he claimed
2:07:05
that those pictures were somehow fake like someone doesn't is
2:07:10
like like like the camera is not allowed and all like there are
2:07:13
courtrooms where you can take cameras in that this is.
2:07:16
Well, that's the picture of him and the picture of him and Kenny
2:07:19
Rhodes together. That was done in the courtroom.
2:07:22
Court hallway wasn't done in the actual courtroom.
2:07:25
Well, and they also have cameras in the court.
2:07:28
You can get that. You can get that record.
2:07:30
Like it's it, I it's like he's, he's pretending like there's,
2:07:34
there's no way to verify somebody by photo in a
2:07:37
courtroom. That's just not true, right?
2:07:40
But I mean, half of the court is done by Zoom, for crying out
2:07:43
loud. You're telling me there's no
2:07:44
cameras in there? Plus plus you know, not to be
2:07:47
funny but you know he was on a trip on a road trip with with
2:07:52
Kenny. Kenny Rd.
2:07:53
And right, and they went to the Ark Park or whatever, you know,
2:07:57
and, and it's like, right, like come.
2:08:00
On Brandon you are free to join. The pinned comment on the chat
2:08:05
is going to take you right into this room.
2:08:09
They even had, they even had video court back in 2004.
2:08:13
So I mean, they have court, they have courtroom cameras and it's
2:08:16
not impossible to get those video pictures in.
2:08:20
All you have to do is be a party to the case and you can put in a
2:08:23
public. Records request.
2:08:25
And even you don't even have to be like a direct party.
2:08:28
You don't have to be like a complaining witness or even like
2:08:31
a victim of any kind. You just have to enter yourself
2:08:34
into the court. All right, I am waiting for
2:08:41
Brandon to get on that stream yard link in the pinned comment
2:08:44
because he would like to join. He says, yeah, I like how they
2:08:50
claimed that they were going to the Ark Encounter basically, and
2:08:54
then all of a sudden they're in North Carolina at this.
2:08:58
Hearing how weird, yeah. Smokey and yeah, Smokey and Josh
2:09:02
aren't the same person. Why do?
2:09:03
We have. Photographs of Kenny Rhodes with
2:09:05
him. But they're not the same.
2:09:07
They're not the same. They, they, it's.
2:09:12
I love how he danced away from the whole issue of Kenny Rhodes
2:09:15
won't even address them. Makes me wonder if they had some
2:09:17
kind of falling out in the last three years.
2:09:19
Maybe it's like physical multi personality disorder word and
2:09:24
maybe it combined with the with the Mandela effect.
2:09:30
Maybe that's. I love What?
2:09:32
Oh, hold on. Where is it?
2:09:34
Why won't it? OK, here we go.
2:09:36
So Teddy Bear, 64, says did a flood happen and cause the Ark
2:09:40
to float to North Carolina? That's rough.
2:09:45
Maybe. I mean, we do live in a
2:09:47
multiverse, so that is totally possible.
2:09:55
Yeah. Doppelganger.
2:09:58
Yeah, that's what it was. Can't have the.
2:10:01
Magical. It's just a magical coincidence
2:10:04
that Joshua Nathan marks her bell looks exactly like Smokey
2:10:08
St. and it's also a huge coincidence that Kenny Rhodes
2:10:11
was there with him at his court date.
2:10:13
Yeah, well, maybe, maybe Kenny just, you know, he, he liked
2:10:17
both of them because they look the same and talked and acted
2:10:20
the same, you know? You.
2:10:23
I'd like to see the law license of the lawyer.
2:10:27
What if they were? What if both Josh and Smokey
2:10:31
were bored at the same time? Like how would Kenny deal with
2:10:34
that? I believe Kenny might blow him.
2:10:37
Oh, come on. Oh, no, no, I'm sorry.
2:10:40
Hey, Smokey St. has admitted on this stream or less that he's
2:10:44
done it before, so. I know, unbelievable.
2:10:49
He was. It's kind of like.
2:10:51
Pigskin hiked by a by a by a tight end.
2:10:56
Well, it's like, it's like when you you drink or you smoke for
2:11:00
the first time, it's never your last time.
2:11:02
That's what they always tell the kids growing up when they're
2:11:05
trying to dissuade them from doing it in the first place.
2:11:08
So true. And that kind of thing that
2:11:11
Smokey admitted to 17 years ago, He says that.
2:11:16
That's never the last time. That's never the last time
2:11:20
unless you have a genuine change of hearts and God sanctifies.
2:11:24
You. But judging by his narcissism
2:11:28
and his arrogance and the way he seems to be not the least bit
2:11:31
sorry at all about what he did to that girl, yeah, I don't
2:11:35
think, I don't think it's beyond the pale to think that Smokey
2:11:39
St. has gotten ABJ more than once from some people.
2:11:45
I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.
2:11:49
The difference is. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:11:55
Because it's, yeah, I'm not Josh at all.
2:11:57
I mean, because if he wasn't Josh, he wouldn't have such a
2:12:00
strong emotion about her that he would call her that.
2:12:04
Or no such intimate details. Like, how are you going to tell
2:12:09
me I'm the only one to bring up a rape kit and then tell me that
2:12:11
Rob Reed already confirmed there was no rape kit?
2:12:17
I thought, who's Rob Reed again? Isn't that like just another
2:12:20
content creator? That's I don't I, I have no idea
2:12:24
he's connected in this circle. Rob is Rob.
2:12:28
Is. I'll tell you, he's a lawyer.
2:12:30
Oh. He is.
2:12:33
Yes, yeah. Hello, Brandon Myers.
2:12:36
Hey fellas. You know, I, I just got to tell
2:12:39
you how much I enjoyed that whole.
2:12:44
Situation and and I just got to make clear, you're telling me
2:12:48
that Smokey demanded this little presentation, huh?
2:12:54
Yeah, he did. What A.
2:12:56
Fucking idiot. Brandon.
2:12:59
Brandon, I'm wondering, could I ask you something, Brandon, did
2:13:03
these guys just recently turn on you?
2:13:05
Like weren't you buddies with Dave and stuff?
2:13:07
And did they just recently turn on you or something?
2:13:10
Oh yeah, like, you know. All of a sudden.
2:13:13
Dave and Smokey are like, you know, intimate or something.
2:13:17
Yeah, maybe in the last couple weeks or something.
2:13:20
I thought you were hanging out with those guys.
2:13:21
I don't watch a lot, but I thought you guys were getting
2:13:24
along. And then all of a sudden I
2:13:25
noticed they're Ryan, all kinds of garbage about you.
2:13:30
Yeah. I think what happened is because
2:13:33
Dave also has this super ego that you know, and I know
2:13:37
they're all watching, so I'm loving this.
2:13:40
And I noticed Dave. Dave signals the Bible better.
2:13:46
Than anyone on the planet and no one can ever debate him on any
2:13:51
subject whatsoever. So I think as soon as like new
2:13:55
me and spider were razzing him and and said something along the
2:14:00
lines of Brandon's a way better Bible teacher than you at from
2:14:04
that moment Wham. Now it turned into this.
2:14:07
I can't talk to Dave without just a constant barrage of the
2:14:11
most ridiculous questions you've ever heard.
2:14:14
And then you know this smoky retard that you know me and him
2:14:21
in the 1st 10 minutes of ever meeting each other were already
2:14:25
at each other's throats. Hey, I got to throw something in
2:14:28
real. I got to throw something in real
2:14:30
quick, guys. Apparently.
2:14:34
Hold on guys, I just want to tell you, apparently this is
2:14:37
being restreamed on the news units.
2:14:41
That's why. Yeah, that's why I'm.
2:14:43
Yeah, that's why I love this, because I know they're listening
2:14:47
and Dave and all of them know that, you know, I.
2:14:51
Hi, guys. Is a self absorbed, spineless
2:14:55
little piece of shit and man, all of the shit that you've
2:15:00
talked to me pal, I just can't wait to just stuff everything
2:15:04
down your motherfucking. Throat, you little fucking.
2:15:09
Because I have all these little fucking spineless Smokeyisms
2:15:15
over on fucking Dave's channel talking about, you know, that
2:15:19
I'm not a man that backs up what I say.
2:15:21
I'm going to do something. And I have not committed yet to
2:15:25
to go into Smokey's little fucking town and finding him and
2:15:29
putting. Him away like little fuck we're
2:15:31
not. You're not doing that.
2:15:34
Yeah, sorry. You're gonna.
2:15:36
Have to chill out, You're getting too excited.
2:15:39
You can't say things like that violates term service community
2:15:42
guidelines, guy. Relax and I'll let you back.
2:15:45
And plus, you're not just affecting my channel, you might
2:15:47
affect the news units channel. I believe that that leprechaun
2:15:53
was driving a Columbine. Yes, folks, we understand
2:15:58
there's a lot of passionate people out there and you're
2:16:00
aggravated and you've been done wrong by this smoky character,
2:16:03
but don't come up here using this live show to make threats
2:16:07
and all that. Well, I, I, I haven't been wrong
2:16:11
by him at all. Actually, I kind of like Smoky
2:16:13
before I knew he was a pedo. I, I, I'm being honest with you.
2:16:17
I'm here. I I have buddies with him.
2:16:19
I used to talk to him over in sister sun sons room and he
2:16:23
dropped me over a view I have. What was it a year or two years
2:16:28
ago? TTR about the maltheism thing.
2:16:31
Yeah, 'cause he temporarily toyed around with the idea of
2:16:34
maltheism and then he just went on you and so.
2:16:37
Yeah, I was. I was just a theist for a little
2:16:40
while and working my way into Christianity and looking into
2:16:43
all kinds of positions. Luckily for me I ended up
2:16:47
running the guys like TTR, Proverbs, Kent from others who
2:16:51
helped me be able to get out of the position of mouth is and
2:16:54
just go purely Christian. But he went off.
2:16:58
It's like why? If you disagree with somebody's
2:17:01
theological view then correct them.
2:17:03
You know you correct brothers and sisters in Christ and all
2:17:06
that. But Nope cockroach, you deserve
2:17:09
to burn in hell and die. Oh my goodness, surely here says
2:17:13
that that was planned, he said Over there he got in interesting
2:17:21
to Brandon. Apparently you think Brandon's
2:17:25
going to do that to start some trouble or get it flagged.
2:17:29
Yeah, to get us flagged, but of course we're streaming to your
2:17:32
channel. Though But they are fighting
2:17:35
apparently. I think Smokey and Ryan like
2:17:38
turned on Brandon. But yeah, I don't know that that
2:17:41
could change in a day's time. Who knows?
2:17:44
They're mentally unstable and spiritually unstable.
2:17:47
So yeah, change can happen really quick with those guys.
2:17:52
So anyway and. And you don't know if they're
2:17:55
acting or not either. That's the thing like, and
2:17:57
here's the other thing, like like, OK, so really what this
2:18:01
boils down to is like a game of spy versus spy.
2:18:05
I would suggest just just my opinion here.
2:18:09
We get a decent picture and we cross compare it with AI, with
2:18:15
facial recognition software, because at this point there's
2:18:20
not going to be another motive like identification.
2:18:24
He's not going to volunteer as. Justin, I appreciate if you want
2:18:28
to go full on Mission Impossible, Top Gun, all that
2:18:31
and get into AI and get out the Skynet Terminator and all that
2:18:36
shit are back to the future. Go back in time to find out, go
2:18:39
for it. But as far as I'm concerned,
2:18:41
I've seen the videos, I've seen the pictures, and I've actually
2:18:44
heard him say Josh a long time ago.
2:18:47
And Sister Son, where he was actually on video.
2:18:49
Oh yeah, Milton Cain's already said it.
2:18:53
The Presbyterian already said he's Josh.
2:18:55
His best friends in the whole wide world have already canceled
2:18:59
them out. That's the end of the story.
2:19:02
I don't need any more. I ain't no fucking Perry Mason.
2:19:04
But I think I got enough evidence for me at least.
2:19:09
That's same here. Yeah.
2:19:14
I get it, you feel sorry. Well, no, I just.
2:19:18
I just don't like to do. That was no tactic.
2:19:20
I apologize for my Irish temper. I had no intention of hurting
2:19:24
your channel. Well, I guess we'll accept that
2:19:26
apology. Yeah, well, I'm giving my shot.
2:19:30
Just don't make threats or anything like that.
2:19:32
I get it. You're angry, you're aggravated.
2:19:35
But if you're going to say things like that, say it to
2:19:37
Smokey directly. Not on this thing.
2:19:39
You get us in trouble. Let's see.
2:19:42
Guess. Let's.
2:19:43
See. Yeah, 'cause you seems really
2:19:45
YouTube's really picky about that.
2:19:47
All right, So I'm taking Brandon out of the out of the time out
2:19:51
box. He's able to return if he likes.
2:19:55
Well, I am thinking about ending this stream now because we've
2:19:58
gone longer than I usually do and I got to get some stuff done
2:20:02
before I go to bed, so I think we'll call it good.
2:20:05
Thank you, Justin, and thank you Bruce for joining.
2:20:09
I appreciate it. Have a great day.
2:20:13
And thank you, Brett, for being the moderator.
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Good night all. No problem.
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I I hope to be able to come on again.
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I hear you taking a break though.
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Yeah, I'm going to be doing a fireworks tent for my church for
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the next month. So yeah, I won't be able to do
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any content at all until mid-july.
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Hey man, I don't have you bro, you know I love you.
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Don't get yourself blown up with them fireworks.
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No, I'm more likely to spontaneously combust in the hot
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weather we'll have. So pardon me.
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Oh, and the place I'll be, the place I'll The tent I'll be
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working at has a lot of mosquitoes.
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So I'll be dealing with mosquitoes and the blazing hot
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sun. Yay, have a good one TTR.
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I'm out. Thanks for having me, I hope to
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do it again in the future. Nice talking to Dustin.
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And with that, bring this live stream to a close.
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Goodbye everyone.