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Q&A with Jamie and Caitlin · The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody. We just have a quick few announcements at
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Speaker 1: the top of the show. First of all, Happy New Year,
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Speaker 1: Happy New Year. We wanted to remind you that there's
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Speaker 1: and then Jamie, you had another thing you wanted to plug.
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Speaker 1: Have one last blagum. So if you have been following
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Speaker 1: me online for the past year or so, you will
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Speaker 1: know that I have been in mensa, Brad. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's no screenwriting degree because it only costs seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 1: But I I have been doing a project where I've
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Speaker 1: been in mensa and then I accidentally got targeted by
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Speaker 1: like an old red group and it has been a
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Speaker 1: whole adventure of about eighteen months. And I just yesterday
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Speaker 1: released a four part podcast series called My Year in
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Speaker 1: Mensa that traces my wild experience but also traces the
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Speaker 1: history of my que societies, which is not so great,
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Speaker 1: but it's it's it was very interesting to me and
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Speaker 1: if you enjoy the Battel Cast, I think you will
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Speaker 1: enjoy it too, So check it out. It's My Year
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Speaker 1: and now enjoy the episode do. On the beck dodcast,
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Speaker 1: the questions asked if movies have women in them, are
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Speaker 1: all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or do they
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Speaker 1: have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing it with
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Speaker 1: the beck Del Cast. Hello and welcome to the Bechel Casts. Caitlin,
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Speaker 1: my name is Jamie. This is our podcast about the
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Speaker 1: representation of women in movies. But today, Oh, first of all,
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Speaker 1: happy happy, Hopefully this isn't the worst year of our lives.
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Speaker 1: I hope in advance this is not the worst year
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Speaker 1: of your life. Today, we are deviating from the format
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Speaker 1: a little bit. We're gonna be doing a Q and
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Speaker 1: A episode. But hey, if this is your first time
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Speaker 1: listening and you just want to know things about us
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Speaker 1: in our show, we've been that you've never listened, we'll
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Speaker 1: tell you what the podcast is. Sure. We talk about
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Speaker 1: the representation of women in movies, and we use the
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Speaker 1: Bechdel Tests sometimes cast test Um, and that, of course,
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Speaker 1: is a media metric developed by cartoonist Alison Bechdel that
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Speaker 1: requires two female identifying characters who have names talk to
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Speaker 1: each other in a movie about something other than a man. Yes,
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Speaker 1: so we're starting there's don't pass it. Yes, but you
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Speaker 1: know progress that's very sl But we're not talking about
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Speaker 1: a movie today, we're talking about ourselves. Yeah, so we're
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Speaker 1: going to constantly be taking up passing the Bechtel tests
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Speaker 1: unless there's there's some questions about Molina. But I think
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Speaker 1: a long time ago we decided that that does pass.
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Speaker 1: The back are talking about it still passes. If you
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Speaker 1: haven't listened to just don't don't listen to this episode.
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Speaker 1: Uh so we we um. We asked our our Matreon
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Speaker 1: patreon AK Matreon subscribers to get us a sick lineup
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Speaker 1: bucks a month if you're interested. There's a backlog of
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Speaker 1: over fifty this episode. So anyways, that's where the questions
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Speaker 1: are coming from. Um, should we just jump into it?
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Speaker 1: I said, we do, all right, starting with the two
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Speaker 1: first names. Yeah, first names. This comes from LINEA. They asked,
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Speaker 1: how did you two meet? We met in Boston. We
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Speaker 1: met in Boston doing comedy, do you I remember Maybe
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Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, maybe just in the Matron
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Speaker 1: and I remember, but I think the year would have
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Speaker 1: been or maybe I had just started doing stand up twenty.
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Speaker 1: You were cool and doing it. Was at that show
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Speaker 1: in Jamaica, Jamaica playing Boston Comedy Chicks, and you were
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Speaker 1: doing it. I was doing it. I was still very
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Speaker 1: new to stand up. You were like established in the
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Speaker 1: Boston scene. And you literally because we were sitting at
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Speaker 1: the same table. I think there's like free pizza, and
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I just didn't talk to anybody, didn't know
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Speaker 1: how to talk to anybody. But you talked to me
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Speaker 1: and you were talking about your masters You're like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm finishing grad school right now. I was like, wow,
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Speaker 1: and it sounds like me, but that's classically that doesn't
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Speaker 1: sound like me because I hate to bring up my
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Speaker 1: master's So you're really breaking form by really talking about
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Speaker 1: your master's degree. Where you mistaking me for someone else,
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Speaker 1: because I don't think I would ever mention my master's
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Speaker 1: degree in screen running from Boston University. That was Maybe
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Speaker 1: that's not the first time we met, but that's the
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Speaker 1: first time I remember us having a conversation. Yeah. Same,
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Speaker 1: And then we used to do you used to be
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Speaker 1: in a sketch group at the theater that I worked at, Yes,
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Speaker 1: at improf Boston. Yeah, we got to know each other
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Speaker 1: a little better that way. And then I moved to
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Speaker 1: l A I think a year before you did. And
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Speaker 1: then literally as soon as you moved here, I was like,
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Speaker 1: do you want to do a podcast with me? And
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Speaker 1: and the rest is history. Became very very close to
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Speaker 1: doing the podcast you're listening to literally right now, indeed,
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Speaker 1: here we are all right. Next question, Oh, I love
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Speaker 1: this one comes from leon favorite Alfred Molina performance. Let
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Speaker 1: me pull up as IMDb. I don't want to is anything. Sure,
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Speaker 1: I have one off the top of my head, and
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Speaker 1: it is his performance in the movie Chock a Lot.
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Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna he's really good in that
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Speaker 1: he's only really good and everything. He's really good and everything.
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Speaker 1: But in this movie he plays a villain. Um, he's
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Speaker 1: a great villain. He's a great hero. He can do anything.
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Speaker 1: He is doing a French accent. Just the scene where
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Speaker 1: you get Okay, so if you haven't seen it, you
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Speaker 1: got to see chocolat I mean, suspend your Johnny Depp Hatriod,
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Speaker 1: we get it, and you should see there's a scene
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Speaker 1: where he's so he's like very anti chocolate throughout the
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Speaker 1: whole movie, which sounds for pleasure. It's a metaphor for pleasure. Yes,
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Speaker 1: So there's a scene where he accidentally gets a little
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Speaker 1: fluck of chocolate on his lips and he licks them
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Speaker 1: and then he's just like goes into this like horn
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Speaker 1: when he eats the crappy patty. Sure, I have not
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Speaker 1: seen Did you see there's a SpongeBob movie coming out?
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm so excited. Okay, anyway, So, so Alfred
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Speaker 1: Molina is you know, just he's horny, he's eating all
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Speaker 1: the chocolate, and it's truly one of the best performances
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Speaker 1: of any actor. It's heaven time. He's so good. I
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Speaker 1: think for me, the seminal performance will always be Spiderman too,
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Speaker 1: counter Auto Octavia's, I think the best, the best villain
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Speaker 1: performance I've ever seen, Sexual Awakening and all. But he's
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Speaker 1: also I I rewatched his scene, and but I don't
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Speaker 1: rewatch Boogie Nights very often. I rewatched his scene and
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Speaker 1: Boogie Nights a lot like that famous Oh, it's so
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Speaker 1: he's incredible in that scene. He's so good. Um. I
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Speaker 1: also just he's been in so much usaw for Rosen too.
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Speaker 1: How was he in that? Um? His character is not
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Speaker 1: on screen for very long, and it's just his voice.
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Speaker 1: He was the only part of Vice that I liked.
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Speaker 1: I'll say that I like the upcoming Robot Chicken sketch
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Speaker 1: that he's in that I wrote that will maybe come
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Speaker 1: out this week. I don't know. Oh, I did like
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Speaker 1: him in Monster's University. Wait, he's in Monsters Universities. He's
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Speaker 1: one of the professors. He does a lot of like
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Speaker 1: Disney animation work. Then, because he's also in record breaks,
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Speaker 1: the internet. Yes, yeah, I mean, I mean he's he's
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Speaker 1: first of all, got to get those checks, and he's
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Speaker 1: he's directing his first, his first movie this year too.
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Speaker 1: He's just I mean, we love at the cast. And
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Speaker 1: also this episode is going to come out on our
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Speaker 1: one year anniversary of meeting Billa. Really ye, because I
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Speaker 1: remember his January second to nineteen. I'll never ever ever
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Speaker 1: forget that day. Such a fun day. And if you
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Speaker 1: live in the l A area, in February and March,
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Speaker 1: he's going to be in a one man play in
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Speaker 1: Pasadena and I have tickets to opening. And then I
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Speaker 1: think we're going to go in March when he comes.
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Speaker 1: When I come back, Um, when I come back from
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Speaker 1: New York. Among there are places that I will be
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Speaker 1: on the East Coast. We're touring. When i'm yes, we're touring,
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Speaker 1: so don't forget that. We come to ours dot com.
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Speaker 1: But when I'm in New York, I'm seeing a play
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Speaker 1: called Paddington Gets in a Jam. It is four ages,
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Speaker 1: three to eight. How has Alpha Billiona not been in
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Speaker 1: a Paddington movie yet? I don't know. It seems like
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Speaker 1: a perfect because he's from Paddington's. Yes, he's from Paddington.
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Speaker 1: He's British, he's got the right vibe. He would be
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Speaker 1: he could be a villain or hero. True, that's the
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Speaker 1: best thing about it. I know he's really good in Frida.
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Speaker 1: We can stop talking about it. He's good in everything. Yes,
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Speaker 1: he's good in literally everything. He most certainly is I
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Speaker 1: think no, But you know what, Leon, To answer your question,
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Speaker 1: our favorite alpha billing performance would have to be the
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Speaker 1: Aaron Brockovitch episode Yes, really, career Maker. I think do
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Speaker 1: you think he would have been in Frozen too if
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Speaker 1: he hadn't done that? Of course? Not, thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 1: The answer next question comes from Judy asks which film
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Speaker 1: are you most surprised actually passed the test? Which episode
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Speaker 1: do you think has the most outtakes due to tangents,
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Speaker 1: laughing fits, et cetera. Okay, so two different questions here. Tough, Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean movies. I feel like most movies i'm surprised
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Speaker 1: past the test are ones that barely pass the test, right,
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Speaker 1: So like the I feel like we should have a
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Speaker 1: shorthand for right now, but like the almost like the
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Speaker 1: barely pass of like hi to use your name, Hi, Judy,
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Speaker 1: look at this shoe? Awesome and then the rest is
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Speaker 1: men killing each other. So those are always like, it's frustrating.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at our list of I always remember being
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Speaker 1: surprised that the Room test Believe it or not, getg
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Speaker 1: Tommy wizzose. The Room passes the test, which is pretty amazing.
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Speaker 1: Ground fairly passes. I'm just looking through our Oh, Gelie,
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Speaker 1: that's when that is shocking and inappropriate. We've passed. What
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Speaker 1: else do we have? Fair that You're just like, um,
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Speaker 1: that can't be right. Manhattan passes. Um. Yeah, there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of problematic movies that past effecteal test, which is
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Speaker 1: you know, we're always reminding it's a law metrics. Yeah. No,
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Speaker 1: I think The Room was a shocker. Well. And then
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Speaker 1: the second part of this question is which episode do
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Speaker 1: you think has the most outtakes due to tangents, laughing, physic,
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Speaker 1: et cetera. Um, I don't know. There was one where
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Speaker 1: there was some where we truly just like go to
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Speaker 1: another dimension the end of Like, I don't know what
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Speaker 1: happened to that there. Oh, I wish I remembered what
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Speaker 1: it was, because there was one that I had like
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Speaker 1: a separate editing file open four that I had just
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Speaker 1: I kept putting out takes into that I was going
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Speaker 1: to like edit into like a super cut I mean,
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Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't remember what from a recent episode,
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Speaker 1: the Santa Claus is one of the most wild recording
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Speaker 1: experiences I've ever. I don't think we even cut that
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Speaker 1: much from it. We didn't, which is why it was
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Speaker 1: two and a half our block. But like it was
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Speaker 1: that I think was one of my favorite episodes to
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Speaker 1: record because it was just like, where are we? What
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Speaker 1: was happening? We're like, but we didn't cut that much.
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Speaker 1: So that doesn't really answer the question what do I
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Speaker 1: feel like when stuff gets wild? Unless it's like wild
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Speaker 1: in a oh my god, what is this person saying
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Speaker 1: kind of way, which is very rarely happened, we just
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Speaker 1: kind of leave it in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we
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Speaker 1: haven't done Back when we used to have more male
13:39
Speaker 1: guests on the show, there would be more cutting sometimes
13:44
Speaker 1: to make our male guest not yet hate mail um,
13:50
Speaker 1: and which is why we have since enforced a very sparing,
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Speaker 1: every once in a while honored mail guest policy. Indeed,
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Speaker 1: but I think especially since we put the kabash on
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Speaker 1: mail guests, for the most part, um, we haven't had
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Speaker 1: to do that many outtakes. Yet next question comes from
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Speaker 1: Taylor asks when will you be gay? Um, I'm by
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Speaker 1: which I did a soft come out this year in
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Speaker 1: one tweet. But I also don't feel the need to
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Speaker 1: explain myself. Yeah. Um my sexuality if anyone was curious. Um,
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Speaker 1: my birth control is making me a sexual so that's something.
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Speaker 1: But it's coming. Yeah, but I'm going to go off
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Speaker 1: of it soon and you might be asking why can't
14:39
Speaker 1: you just like stop taking your pill or whatever. It's
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Speaker 1: because it's an implant in my arm and I have
14:44
Speaker 1: to get it surgically removed health care flags. Um. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I guess the answer to your question is I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I guess we're both like question marks all around. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we don't know. Um, we're somewhere on the spectrum as
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Speaker 1: everyone is. I know I've said I guess. I have
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Speaker 1: said that the show that I'm straight a number of times,
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Speaker 1: which has never been true. But who cares. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't keep me up at night, nor should it you. Um. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think here's an answer to your question because I
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Speaker 1: feel absolutely no sexual feelings and have not for the
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Speaker 1: past several years since I've been on this birth control. Um.
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Speaker 1: I don't really know who I'm attracted to anymore. Um,
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Speaker 1: but I think when I get new health insurance and
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Speaker 1: can go to the doctor and get my thing taken out,
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Speaker 1: I would definitely consider dating women. So there's that I'm
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Speaker 1: currently in a relationship with a man. Boo. No, I'm kidding.
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Speaker 1: I think it's very nice. So I guess, Taylor. I
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Speaker 1: hope that answers your question. Apart our next question, it
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Speaker 1: comes from Katie. They ask movies you're most looking forward
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Speaker 1: to in I don't know. I feel like I never
16:01
Speaker 1: know about a movie before two weeks before it comes out. Sure,
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Speaker 1: what are you excited for? I'm I'm excited for Mulan. Yes,
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Speaker 1: they don't that up. They funked up literally all of
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Speaker 1: them so far. The truly have so fingers crossed. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I would be great. I'm excited for Yeah, what is
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Speaker 1: even coming out? Let me look it up. Okay, Wait,
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Speaker 1: In spite of the fact that Scarlett Johansson is canceled,
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Speaker 1: I am interested to see Black Widow. Um. Oh, the
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Speaker 1: New Wonder Woman comes out next year. That'll be fun.
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Speaker 1: The Harley Quinn movie, I guess kind of I'm getting
16:37
Speaker 1: a little burned out on Margot Robbie tb h even
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Speaker 1: though she's my my favorite movie ever. Fast and Furious
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Speaker 1: nine apparently, Sure, Dr Doolittle, I'll see it. I honestly
16:50
Speaker 1: we should cover the Eddie Murphy one. Um, I oh god,
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Speaker 1: the return of T. J. Miller new thing with Underwater? Underwater? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: How a jew betrayal? Oh you know it is a
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Speaker 1: movie that I genuinely think will be funny to watch
17:05
Speaker 1: because it looks really really bad. But Harrison Ford Call
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Speaker 1: of the Wild, Oh my gosh, I'll see ironically, or
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Speaker 1: Doctor Doolittle and Harrison Ford Call of the Wild. So
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Speaker 1: a bunch of c g I animals the only wealthy
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Speaker 1: men in CGI animals. The only movie with a c
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Speaker 1: g I animal that you should watch is Paddington. Obviously
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Speaker 1: it looks so bad. Oh, Minions three, Yes, Scocoop, gotta
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Speaker 1: see Scoop. Yeah. I don't know if the next year
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Speaker 1: is going to be better, if this is going to
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Speaker 1: be a good year for movies. Honestly, I will say
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, I think it was a pretty solid year
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Speaker 1: for movies. A lot of movies I really really liked
17:43
Speaker 1: came out. Um. Yeah, I guess, Oh, in the Heights
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Speaker 1: will be cool. I'm excited to see. And I think
17:48
Speaker 1: West Side Story comes out next year too, or maybe
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Speaker 1: that's I know, the new Into the Spider Verses coming out,
17:55
Speaker 1: but I think it's good now, I know we'll be
17:59
Speaker 1: there it um but that, yeah, that doesn't come out sonic.
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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, it's a lot of bullshit coming out
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Speaker 1: this year. Yeah. I guess there's a plenty of movies
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Speaker 1: I'll see, but there's nothing like I feel like going
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Speaker 1: into There was a bunch that I'm like, yeah, but
18:17
Speaker 1: not so much so far. If if we're missing, if
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Speaker 1: you have recommendations, drop us a line, please do Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Allison, and they ask opinions slash
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Speaker 1: Ideas on how to effectively combat reboot culture, which tends
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Speaker 1: to perpetuate or trivialize regressive ideas regarding race, gender, sexuality,
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Speaker 1: et cetera. Combatting it is difficult. I mean, it's just
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Speaker 1: a very sinister cinematic track. I mean, I think that
18:42
Speaker 1: if you if you are not about it, don't go
18:46
Speaker 1: like that's a great way to combat it. Is not
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Speaker 1: is if you see it and you're unhappy with the
18:51
Speaker 1: way it's rebooting it make your thoughts known because like
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Speaker 1: movie production places, for better or worse, are listening to
19:00
Speaker 1: fans now more than ever. Um. Social media is a
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Speaker 1: useful tool. Literally ruined Star Wars. It's crazy, but but
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Speaker 1: like for better where people are listening. UM. And if
19:11
Speaker 1: you're if you are unhappy with how properties being rebooted
19:15
Speaker 1: but it's not being done or don't see the movie
19:18
Speaker 1: you know. I mean there's a lot of recent reboots
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Speaker 1: that have flopped because no one wanted it. Yeah, money
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Speaker 1: speaks very loudly in all industries, this one included. And
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Speaker 1: if something doesn't do well, but that sucks because like
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Speaker 1: what you should do is put your money towards seeing
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Speaker 1: movies that you want to see. You want to see,
19:40
Speaker 1: but it's like I don't want to tell you just
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Speaker 1: like don't go to this like all female reboot of
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Speaker 1: x y Z movie because what's gonna well, I don't
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Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. I think is that executives
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Speaker 1: are gonna be like, well, no one went to see this,
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Speaker 1: so that means that no one wants to see, you know,
19:57
Speaker 1: female driven stories. And it's not that it's the we
20:00
Speaker 1: don't want to be get like the sloppy seconds of
20:05
Speaker 1: what men want and stuff like that. Yeah, and I
20:09
Speaker 1: think that a similar thing was brought up with You're right,
20:13
Speaker 1: where like when the Charlie's Angels reboot wasn't a smashing success,
20:18
Speaker 1: it was like, well, this is a reflection on women,
20:20
Speaker 1: where it's like, no, this is a reflection on reboots.
20:23
Speaker 1: But it is true that whenever property is rebooted and
20:28
Speaker 1: it's like an all female reboot or you know, not
20:31
Speaker 1: every character is white this time, but it's if it's
20:34
Speaker 1: still sloppily written, and I like and a lot of
20:37
Speaker 1: times the behind the camera diversity efforts aren't done, it
20:41
Speaker 1: comes out. I mean, yeah, it's it's tricky combating. It
20:45
Speaker 1: is really challenging, and I think unfortunately kind of requires
20:50
Speaker 1: that you do a little homework on your own of like, Okay,
20:53
Speaker 1: I don't want to see a reboot. What do I
20:55
Speaker 1: want to see? Who is someone who's work that I
20:58
Speaker 1: really like, Who isn't getting the representation that they deserve,
21:01
Speaker 1: Who isn't getting the work they deserve? And you know,
21:04
Speaker 1: let people know like it it is. Unfortunately, it's like
21:07
Speaker 1: your money speaks very loudly, and word of mouth online
21:11
Speaker 1: speaks very loudly, so if there are people whose work
21:14
Speaker 1: you want to see more of screaming. But yeah, I
21:18
Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like in some ways we are
21:21
Speaker 1: trapped in reboot culture for a while. Disney is uh
21:27
Speaker 1: is has literally taken over the they had of box
21:32
Speaker 1: office receipts. It's an actual monopoly and we live in hell.
21:37
Speaker 1: But baby Yoda right kidding? Didn't watch it, but he's
21:41
Speaker 1: cut are fine? Um? Yeah, I don't know. It's depressing, Allison.
21:45
Speaker 1: I don't know. Try everyone keeps supporting artists that you like.
21:49
Speaker 1: That are you know, trying different things? Yes? Uh, let's
21:53
Speaker 1: take a quick break and then we'll come right back
21:55
Speaker 1: to answer more questions. Let's do it, and we're back.
22:04
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed that commercial break. Our next question comes,
22:08
Speaker 1: I love this one only for the Internet, asks what
22:11
Speaker 1: filmmakers should be legally barred from making any more movies? Okay, well,
22:18
Speaker 1: let's start with softballs like Woody Allen, duh, duh. Now
22:25
Speaker 1: let's take it out of the criminal sphere, Michael Bay
22:29
Speaker 1: That was gonna be my next way is a very
22:31
Speaker 1: obvious one. Um. Basically, any male director who has assaulted
22:36
Speaker 1: or disrespected women and continue to have a flourishing career. Shouldn't.
22:42
Speaker 1: Yeah they're done. Yeah, they're done. We're if we're in charge,
22:44
Speaker 1: which we aren't, we never will be. They're done. Bye bye.
22:47
Speaker 1: Michael Bay just made a Netflix movie and I'm like,
22:50
Speaker 1: what was I don't know. It was just a very
22:52
Speaker 1: I'm like, Ryan Reynolds, is that? Who was a rent?
22:55
Speaker 1: I know? It's like, Ryan Reynolds, could you relax? You
22:57
Speaker 1: have enough money? Were you doing? I would add? Is
23:00
Speaker 1: it the Fairly Brothers that's made all those horribly problematic
23:06
Speaker 1: comedies and like the nineties and two thousand's and then
23:09
Speaker 1: Green Book? Yeah? I think any white director that has
23:15
Speaker 1: written a white savior story and won an Oscar for it,
23:17
Speaker 1: Bye bye, done, bye bye, don't need that. And and Okay,
23:22
Speaker 1: my pie in This Guy at which people always give
23:24
Speaker 1: me blown back for. But it's a sinister cinematic trend
23:26
Speaker 1: that I fucking hate is men who directed broad, often
23:33
Speaker 1: offensive comedies of the nineties and two thousands who are
23:37
Speaker 1: now experiencing a second renaissance directing more serious movies where
23:42
Speaker 1: they're mostly copying Adam McKay. Adam McKay can continue working
23:45
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned everyone copying Adam McKay. Let's
23:49
Speaker 1: say hangover guy, let's say bombshell guy. I'm sure they're
23:54
Speaker 1: perfectly nice guy, although Todd Phillips does seem like a
23:56
Speaker 1: fucking dick. But I don't know about I don't know
23:59
Speaker 1: about ms your bombshell. But he directed all the Austin
24:02
Speaker 1: Powers movies and now he's like, I get to make
24:03
Speaker 1: the meat to a movie. No you don't, Bye bye,
24:06
Speaker 1: you don't get to make that movie. Are the I mean, so,
24:09
Speaker 1: if we're going all the way radical feminism, yeah, if
24:12
Speaker 1: you directed Austin Powers, you don't get to make the
24:14
Speaker 1: meato movie. You can make another movie that no one
24:17
Speaker 1: gets to seem like, make awesome Powers. Fine. So I
24:23
Speaker 1: mean it's just it's just frustrated and it's like less personal,
24:25
Speaker 1: I guess. But the specificity of that trend is weird
24:29
Speaker 1: to me because the Fairly Brothers also fall into that trend.
24:31
Speaker 1: The specificity of that trend is weird, and it is
24:35
Speaker 1: just like, why do these white guys who have been
24:39
Speaker 1: bajillionaires for twenty years get this second renaissance when so
24:43
Speaker 1: many directors of colors, so many female directors, so queer
24:47
Speaker 1: directors are still waiting for their first opportunity at a
24:49
Speaker 1: mainstream movie grow Up. I agree. Okay, next question, should
24:56
Speaker 1: we just pick one or two of these? Oh, Lindsay, Lindsay,
25:00
Speaker 1: I will will answer two of these, first one being
25:03
Speaker 1: are there any previous spectael Cast episodes that you think
25:06
Speaker 1: you got wrong and would change your ratings? Um? I
25:10
Speaker 1: can't think of anything specifically. I stand by all of
25:13
Speaker 1: my comments in the Matrix episode. Uh, but I think
25:17
Speaker 1: just in general, Caitlin, I'm curious to your thoughts too.
25:21
Speaker 1: But I mean, we started this podcast right after the election,
25:25
Speaker 1: which wasn't planned but depressingly well timed, which was over
25:28
Speaker 1: three years ago and before. I don't know, Like, I
25:31
Speaker 1: think that the discourse has kind of grown with our
25:34
Speaker 1: show and we have listened a lot, and so I
25:37
Speaker 1: think especially in the first year of the podcast, especially
25:41
Speaker 1: maybe the first six months, and a lot of like,
25:43
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, I just know that discourse wise,
25:46
Speaker 1: I I've grown a lot in the past three years.
25:48
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot, and especially from just like talking
25:51
Speaker 1: to our guests and just seeking out the information more so,
25:54
Speaker 1: there's I'm sure and I don't go back and listen
25:57
Speaker 1: to them. I'm sure that, like, especially in the first
25:59
Speaker 1: six months the show, there were some things that either
26:02
Speaker 1: we missed entirely that will be very obvious to us
26:04
Speaker 1: now or we're just like, is that your take, Jamie?
26:07
Speaker 1: Is it? So? Yeah, we've We've we've been growing up definitely. Um,
26:12
Speaker 1: there's a few tropes too that I've learned about or
26:16
Speaker 1: noticed more since we started. Like even for when we
26:20
Speaker 1: did the Force Awakens episode, that was after we had
26:25
Speaker 1: already been doing the podcast for over a year, But
26:29
Speaker 1: I wasn't that tuned into like the Merry Sue trope
26:33
Speaker 1: at that point, and I think we didn't really discuss
26:35
Speaker 1: that on that episode, about how while it is nice
26:38
Speaker 1: for a Star Wars movie to have a female protagonist,
26:42
Speaker 1: I didn't really acknowledge that she falls into like that
26:46
Speaker 1: Mary trope thing. So yeah, I think, yeah, it is
26:50
Speaker 1: mostly our earlier episodes. We've been learning along with everyone else,
26:54
Speaker 1: and a lot of times just like it's been a
26:56
Speaker 1: slow process of just like making sure that we are
26:59
Speaker 1: fine the right perspectives for the right episodes. And yeah,
27:03
Speaker 1: like they think that there were early episodes where like
27:05
Speaker 1: if there was a queer storyline, we wouldn't always seek
27:09
Speaker 1: out the queer perspective on it, and it's kind of
27:12
Speaker 1: freeball it and we know better. No, I don't know,
27:15
Speaker 1: we've definitely yeah, I mean we always acknowledge when we
27:18
Speaker 1: have blind spots, and I think our blind spots were
27:21
Speaker 1: I think we've narrowed them down a bit in the
27:24
Speaker 1: years of doing the podcast, but I think they were
27:26
Speaker 1: quite at first. So yeah, it hasn't been has been
27:32
Speaker 1: an educational experience for us, UM, and we are always learning.
27:37
Speaker 1: We're never the final word and anything. So another question,
27:41
Speaker 1: are there any movies that get requested all the time
27:43
Speaker 1: that you simply refused to do? Caitlyen you said he
27:45
Speaker 1: had an answer for this, Yes you do. UM. I
27:47
Speaker 1: never ever, ever, ever want to do a movie directed
27:51
Speaker 1: by Ari Astor. I know you say. I feel like
27:55
Speaker 1: we're going to end up having to do it, though
27:56
Speaker 1: I'm sure we will, but after seeing well that that's
28:00
Speaker 1: been another question that it's not even that I hate
28:02
Speaker 1: him as a filmmaker, it's just that his movies punish
28:06
Speaker 1: his audience, and I hate movies that I feel punished
28:10
Speaker 1: by for just watching them. I don't mind movies that
28:12
Speaker 1: are punishing you on purpose. Sometimes I don't like his
28:17
Speaker 1: movies m which is a question that we got. We
28:20
Speaker 1: got wide in either of you like Midsummer. I couldn't
28:22
Speaker 1: something about it for weeks. Well, I didn't like Midsummer,
28:25
Speaker 1: but I did see it three times? So what did
28:27
Speaker 1: I say about me? But it means I really thought
28:29
Speaker 1: about do I like Midsummer? I really thought about it.
28:32
Speaker 1: I was also under the influence of Well told her
28:36
Speaker 1: who I had a real moment for him over the summer,
28:40
Speaker 1: Ari asked her, is doing the twenty nineteen thing that
28:42
Speaker 1: I don't like where he is? Like, women are front
28:44
Speaker 1: and center in my movies, but I never have a
28:46
Speaker 1: female co writer, and all my female characters are written weird,
28:49
Speaker 1: Like great, why didn't you like Midsummer? Horror movies just
28:53
Speaker 1: aren't really my genre, and his are so unsettling that
28:59
Speaker 1: I just you're awful after I've seen them. And I
29:02
Speaker 1: don't like movies that make me feel awful. I like romps.
29:05
Speaker 1: I like movies that make me feel good, So I
29:08
Speaker 1: like horror movies and I like feeling awful. So that's
29:12
Speaker 1: not quite but I I didn't like Well, yeah, I
29:16
Speaker 1: think that that movie more than any other I saw
29:18
Speaker 1: this year. Hit that trope on the head of like
29:21
Speaker 1: touting this female protagonist, but so many tropes are present,
29:24
Speaker 1: whereas she is strictly defined by her trauma. There's just
29:28
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of tropes that I feel like
29:32
Speaker 1: didn't really that everyone got to pass on because they're like,
29:35
Speaker 1: it's a breakup movie, and I'm like, but but but
29:38
Speaker 1: but but I just yeah, I didn't. I don't know.
29:41
Speaker 1: I I love how his movies look. They look good,
29:44
Speaker 1: and he gets really good performances. I think he also
29:47
Speaker 1: tends to demonize mental illness quite definitely demonize his mental illness.
29:52
Speaker 1: Hereditary is where that is, and the horror genre has
29:56
Speaker 1: done well in some instances, but in others have really
30:00
Speaker 1: sold people with mental illnesses, just completely sold them out. Yeah.
30:05
Speaker 1: So I I just think that he has a lot
30:07
Speaker 1: of blind spots that he has maybe not been forthcoming with.
30:11
Speaker 1: And it's just like it's okay to have blind spots,
30:14
Speaker 1: but you know, it's a process and seek out. It
30:18
Speaker 1: is frustrating to me that he has not had any
30:21
Speaker 1: female co writers but only writes movies with female protagonists.
30:24
Speaker 1: Like that is a glaring blind spot and I think
30:26
Speaker 1: it comes up in both of his movies very clearly,
30:29
Speaker 1: and it sucks because I think he's a good director
30:33
Speaker 1: and I would encourage him to maybe get over himself
30:35
Speaker 1: a little bit. Also, if you've listen to an interview
30:38
Speaker 1: with him, oh boy, the eyes are you're like, is
30:43
Speaker 1: this a freshman film seminar? Shut up? Um. So that's
30:47
Speaker 1: two answers in one. Yeah. Great. Next question comes from
30:51
Speaker 1: Amber asks can there be more people of color guests? Answer? Yes,
30:57
Speaker 1: we should do that. Yes, more. We're always making an
31:01
Speaker 1: effort to make the show as inclusive is humanly possible.
31:04
Speaker 1: But obviously yeah, they're They're like, we always always room
31:08
Speaker 1: there and there will be. And if there's a specific
31:12
Speaker 1: person comedian, writer of color who you would love to
31:16
Speaker 1: see their perspective on the show, let us know and
31:18
Speaker 1: also tweet at them in case they don't know we exist.
31:21
Speaker 1: And I think that we're a fake podcast. Sometimes will happen.
31:25
Speaker 1: But yeah, point taken. There's always more work and more
31:28
Speaker 1: perspectives and we'll keep on getting them. Yes, indeed, thank
31:32
Speaker 1: you for the question. Next one, Henry asks, if you
31:35
Speaker 1: could redo any of the movies you've already done, which
31:37
Speaker 1: would you do except Titanic? In doubt? Mean, Um, I
31:41
Speaker 1: would read. I mean, I think it's really just like
31:44
Speaker 1: some of our first episode. I would redo. I think
31:46
Speaker 1: we should redo Kill Bill, possibly with Zack Sherwin. Again.
31:50
Speaker 1: Interesting because I just know, first of all, we didn't
31:53
Speaker 1: even give ratings for that episode. Apparently we didn't have
31:57
Speaker 1: the Nipple scale yet. And I just room giving that
32:00
Speaker 1: movie so much credit that I would no longer give
32:02
Speaker 1: it now. Um, with the perspective of time, I think
32:05
Speaker 1: that I would redo Kill Bill. I would redo Mad
32:07
Speaker 1: Max Fury Road because that has become truly one of
32:10
Speaker 1: my favorite movies of all time. And I watched this
32:13
Speaker 1: really good video essay series about it that brings up
32:16
Speaker 1: a lot of points that I don't think we discussed.
32:19
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was another early episode. In the early episode. Yeah,
32:22
Speaker 1: I would probably redo that one too and give it
32:25
Speaker 1: more credit, even though I still don't enjoy the genre. Yeah,
32:28
Speaker 1: that was the steam Steam I mean, and I still
32:31
Speaker 1: don't like steep aesthetics, but I would give I would
32:34
Speaker 1: give the characters more credit this time. I actually might
32:36
Speaker 1: have us redo that one for a Matreon episode for
32:38
Speaker 1: my birthday month this year. Yeah that's fun. Yeah, Yeah,
32:42
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, for the most part, it's
32:44
Speaker 1: I mean, you can definitely track our growth throughout the episodes,
32:49
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't redo the matrix. But that's for sure.
32:53
Speaker 1: Oh well, because I've seen that movie. We'll see what
32:57
Speaker 1: happens when my birthday month comes around. Don't don't. That's
33:01
Speaker 1: my I veto. I'm not going to do it, all right,
33:04
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do one by myself. Then, No, you can't
33:06
Speaker 1: tell one by yourself. That's cheating. Oh my god, Okay,
33:11
Speaker 1: we can do we can do. Okay, here's compromise. I'll
33:13
Speaker 1: do a sequel. No, those are so bad, I won't
33:16
Speaker 1: want to at all. Okay, okay, wait, next question. Our
33:23
Speaker 1: next questions come from Douglas. The first question is are
33:26
Speaker 1: there any all female reboots? You actually want to say? Um,
33:32
Speaker 1: I don't know that. It would have to be really
33:36
Speaker 1: really good. I mean, I I always air on the
33:38
Speaker 1: side of just let there be new stories in general,
33:42
Speaker 1: but new stories about women and people of color and
33:45
Speaker 1: queer people. At the work of updating a story that
33:50
Speaker 1: it very least has internalized misogyny to not have internalized misogyny,
33:54
Speaker 1: I feel like we've seen it a lot of times.
33:56
Speaker 1: It is rarely worked in a really really really affect
34:00
Speaker 1: to way. For me at least, I would much prefer
34:02
Speaker 1: to see new stories right, And we might have touched
34:06
Speaker 1: on this even earlier in this episode already. But for me,
34:10
Speaker 1: the all female reboot, it's like the industries they have
34:13
Speaker 1: this notion that, oh, no one's gonna want to see
34:17
Speaker 1: a movie with a female protagonist unless it's already were
34:21
Speaker 1: tried and true recognizable property, which is not true. I
34:26
Speaker 1: don't know why they think that, And and there's so many,
34:31
Speaker 1: like proven box office things that are like, yeah, that's
34:35
Speaker 1: not true, but just there's not enough female executives. I'll
34:39
Speaker 1: answer this question by saying that because this franchise is
34:44
Speaker 1: very problematic, but also like near and dear to me,
34:47
Speaker 1: I would like to see a female reboot of Indiana
34:50
Speaker 1: Jones and I went to play Indiana Jones Done. I'd
34:52
Speaker 1: see it, thank you. I don't. I can't think of
34:55
Speaker 1: a property off the top of my head that I
34:57
Speaker 1: would want to see an all female reboot. There's like
35:00
Speaker 1: some extended universes I would like to see female stories
35:03
Speaker 1: inside of maybe, but not beat for beat. Yeah, just
35:09
Speaker 1: give me news stories. Give writers and directors a chance. Yes.
35:12
Speaker 1: Another question from Douglas quote. Also, as movies hopefully become
35:15
Speaker 1: more inclusive, should we assume that any conversation about a
35:18
Speaker 1: trans man passes the test? That a passing conversation could
35:21
Speaker 1: be between any combination of female, transmail and non binary
35:24
Speaker 1: characters unquote. Interesting, very interesting question. I would imagine that
35:31
Speaker 1: the test should be on the gender you identify as.
35:35
Speaker 1: I also think that there is space in the test
35:40
Speaker 1: to be inclusive. I've seen versions of the Battel tests
35:44
Speaker 1: that it's like not just female identifying characters, it's also
35:47
Speaker 1: like it's open to like fems and like non binary characters,
35:52
Speaker 1: which I am totally four. Um. So if it's like
35:55
Speaker 1: two non binary people talking about another non binary person,
35:59
Speaker 1: I would say that passes the Becktel test. I'm really
36:01
Speaker 1: interested to hear Alison Bechtel's thoughts on that too, just
36:05
Speaker 1: because she's still a working writer, still like an activist.
36:08
Speaker 1: I mean, I would imagine that she would have the
36:11
Speaker 1: test be as inclusive as humanly possible. Yeah, I mean,
36:15
Speaker 1: we don't make the rules in terms of the time,
36:16
Speaker 1: We just choose the way we interpreted. And unfortunately, because
36:20
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of transport representation on screen, this
36:23
Speaker 1: is not really a question we've ever come up against
36:25
Speaker 1: in the movies that we've covered. Yeah, no, but I
36:28
Speaker 1: agree with you. I mean the test should and I
36:30
Speaker 1: think was designed to be as inclusive as possible, and
36:34
Speaker 1: it will, and it wasn't even designed for to actually
36:37
Speaker 1: be applied. The way that we're applying it is comic.
36:40
Speaker 1: It's from a comic and to watch out for collection
36:44
Speaker 1: and um, the context of like the scene that it
36:48
Speaker 1: appears in is to lesbian characters talking about this test
36:53
Speaker 1: and they're saying, oh, I pay attention to see if
36:56
Speaker 1: women talk to each other in a movie, because if
36:58
Speaker 1: they're if they're talking to each other but not about men,
37:01
Speaker 1: then I can sort of ship them together and pretend
37:04
Speaker 1: that they are queer women because there's especially at the
37:07
Speaker 1: time that this was written and then also still today,
37:10
Speaker 1: there there was so little queer representation. Yeah, I think
37:14
Speaker 1: that that for now is kind of like a person
37:17
Speaker 1: to person, how do you interpret the test? For our purposes,
37:20
Speaker 1: we want to make it as inclusive as possible and
37:23
Speaker 1: as you interpret it, I guess my my thing is
37:26
Speaker 1: just like, as long as you're comfortable with the way
37:29
Speaker 1: that the test is treating gender in regards to you
37:33
Speaker 1: and your identity. You know, we're not going to tell
37:35
Speaker 1: you you're wrong. So yeah, the test is open interpretation.
37:39
Speaker 1: I think supposed to be inclusive as possible. Indeed, thank
37:43
Speaker 1: you Douglas, Yes, thank you. Grace asks is Robert Evans
37:47
Speaker 1: ever going to be a guest? Yes, at some point.
37:50
Speaker 1: The thing is Probert doesn't live here anymore, so it's hard.
37:54
Speaker 1: We don't get to see him very often. But when
37:56
Speaker 1: the stars align, you know he's going to be. We've
37:59
Speaker 1: had email chains about it and it's like, are we
38:02
Speaker 1: going to ask him to talk about what he wants
38:04
Speaker 1: to talk about, which is guns or so. If you
38:08
Speaker 1: don't know who Robert Evans is, he's the host of
38:10
Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards and a part of the iHeart Radio
38:13
Speaker 1: family of podcasts, A dear friend. If you haven't listened
38:17
Speaker 1: to a show, it's wonderful. Also worse here ever with
38:21
Speaker 1: Cody Johnson and Katie Still. Yeah, I mean, we love Robert.
38:25
Speaker 1: We want to have him in the show. I was
38:26
Speaker 1: pushing for him to do the Handam Montana movie, right,
38:29
Speaker 1: which I still if you want that episode tweeted Robert,
38:32
Speaker 1: remind him and then the next time we're in the
38:34
Speaker 1: same city will make it happen, but we're we haven't
38:37
Speaker 1: been avoiding it right to happy. He just doesn't live
38:40
Speaker 1: in l A anymore. He just doesn't and good and
38:42
Speaker 1: honestly smart. Grace also asked one of the most popular
38:46
Speaker 1: episodes slash order our favorite episodes popular episodes, I don't
38:49
Speaker 1: really know, just a little peak behind the curtain. We
38:51
Speaker 1: really don't know much about our numbers, which we don't
38:56
Speaker 1: for a very long time. The Twilight episode was our
38:59
Speaker 1: most popular. I feel like Twilight and Spider Man two
39:02
Speaker 1: were up there with the most popular episodes for some time.
39:06
Speaker 1: I have to imagine that that has changed. I would
39:09
Speaker 1: imagine the Aaron Brockovitch is probably up there at this point. Um.
39:13
Speaker 1: My best guess is the more popular the movie, the
39:16
Speaker 1: more popular the episode, because we've done movies that are
39:19
Speaker 1: a little more you know, off the beaten path, and
39:21
Speaker 1: those numbers were far lower. Believe it or not. Um,
39:26
Speaker 1: but yeah, like I remember, for the longest time, it
39:30
Speaker 1: was Twilight, Twilight a long time. I mean, honestly, I
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Speaker 1: kind of still hope it's storylight. But yeah, I would
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Speaker 1: be curious to know, you know, beats us beats us
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Speaker 1: to answer your question favorite episodes love actually is still
39:43
Speaker 1: going to be an all time favorite for me. I
39:45
Speaker 1: think one of my favorite a recent favorite would be
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Speaker 1: the Santa Claus because like conversations that I really I
39:52
Speaker 1: really loved our Lion King episode with Now that was great.
39:55
Speaker 1: That was a really good cover. I love the also
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Speaker 1: Black Panther episode witho A Class. I always am going
40:03
Speaker 1: to love the snow White episode with Jack. That was
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Speaker 1: when we were singing so much um. That was really fun.
40:11
Speaker 1: One of the funniest ones that we've done recently I
40:13
Speaker 1: think was good Will Hunting with Ya. That was so funny.
40:19
Speaker 1: One of my favorite live episodes we've done it was
40:21
Speaker 1: Waiting Exhale with Aaron Haynes Whack. That was so much fun.
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Speaker 1: Lazy episodes favorite and I think I hate about you
40:31
Speaker 1: the best are always going to be. I just yeah,
40:33
Speaker 1: we have great guests and we always have fun. I
40:37
Speaker 1: don't know, bringing on with Maggie is really fun. I
40:40
Speaker 1: just I love everyone. I love all of our guests. Yeah,
40:44
Speaker 1: I couldn't pick an all time favorite, but those are
40:45
Speaker 1: the ones that jump to mind of like, yeah, same, yeah,
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Speaker 1: let's take another quick break. But I guess what gang
40:54
Speaker 1: We've got more questions when We're back all right. Next
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Speaker 1: question comes from Stacy. This one is rather long. It says,
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Speaker 1: how do you feel the evolution of feminism, specifically second
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Speaker 1: and third wave affected the portrayal of women in movies
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Speaker 1: over the years, both positively and negatively through both the
41:17
Speaker 1: advancement of women and inevitable backlash. For example, there does
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Speaker 1: not seem to be a linear improvement in the portrayal
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Speaker 1: of women or minorities in film, and often seem to
41:27
Speaker 1: be steps taken backwards. How much of that is a
41:31
Speaker 1: type of protest by those in power trying to stop
41:34
Speaker 1: any change in the status quo or recapture the good
41:37
Speaker 1: old days. This is an excellent, complicated question. Yes, so
41:42
Speaker 1: I do agree that the portrayal of women in movies
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Speaker 1: has progressed as time goes on, especially through various waves
41:51
Speaker 1: of feminism that have taken place. And I also agree
41:54
Speaker 1: that the majority of this progress has applied to the
41:58
Speaker 1: way that white women are, white hetero women are portrayed,
42:03
Speaker 1: that as we've discussed on the show many times, that
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Speaker 1: they tend to be the first stop of who is
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Speaker 1: afforded progress, and that women of color and queer women
42:16
Speaker 1: and trans women and just just everyone else kind of
42:18
Speaker 1: gets left behind and the progress is much slower. And again,
42:23
Speaker 1: like that is it's very frustrating because you know, Hollywood
42:27
Speaker 1: is this huge bureaucracy, still majority patriarchy, still majority white.
42:33
Speaker 1: So you have to scream at the top of your lungs,
42:36
Speaker 1: you have to vote with your money, you have to
42:38
Speaker 1: like all this frustrating stuff just to get the bare
42:40
Speaker 1: minimum accomplished. Um. And I think it's interestingly we've kind
42:44
Speaker 1: of covered a bunch of movies that I think would
42:47
Speaker 1: fall into second wave feminism recently, where it was like
42:50
Speaker 1: white women should be allowed to work in an office.
42:53
Speaker 1: That was part of what was accomplished First Wives Club,
42:58
Speaker 1: And as the show has continued, we've tried to contextualize
43:02
Speaker 1: these a little better. Instead of I think maybe three
43:06
Speaker 1: years ago, we would have been like, oh, this is
43:08
Speaker 1: so this movie from nine seventy is horrible to women, right,
43:11
Speaker 1: and we've had criticism for that and like fairly taken.
43:15
Speaker 1: We we've been trying to contextualize. Okay, it doesn't read
43:20
Speaker 1: as narrative, right, but oftentimes those movies do the smallest
43:26
Speaker 1: bit of progress that allow more progress to take place later.
43:30
Speaker 1: Obviously we would prefer radical change but there are I
43:34
Speaker 1: think we have covered movies that represent incremental change that
43:37
Speaker 1: doesn't read well today but does represent progress for that
43:42
Speaker 1: time of yes, yes, I agree. Yeah. And as far
43:46
Speaker 1: as like kind of the backlash that more progressive movies
43:50
Speaker 1: have been exposed to, I'm thinking, like all the backlash
43:55
Speaker 1: that the all female reboot of Ghostbusters got, every in
44:00
Speaker 1: cell boy on the internet was like, this is ruining
44:03
Speaker 1: my childhood. It's very revealing. Ye Like, if there are
44:09
Speaker 1: executives out there, studios and networks who are listening to
44:15
Speaker 1: these shitty, regressive people and their bad opinions and they're like, well,
44:21
Speaker 1: you know, the in cells didn't like this movie, so
44:24
Speaker 1: we better not make any more of movies like it.
44:26
Speaker 1: Then I mean, I hope that doesn't happen, but I
44:33
Speaker 1: think it's very frustrating who executives choose to take seriously
44:39
Speaker 1: and they don't. It's weird because I feel like now
44:43
Speaker 1: with social media, in some ways, we have more of
44:45
Speaker 1: a voice than ever in having a say, But then
44:49
Speaker 1: so do shitty guys, right, like little baby boys have
44:53
Speaker 1: more of a voice than ever. And you can see
44:55
Speaker 1: that reddit for some cinema trends and it's so it's
45:00
Speaker 1: you know, as with all things Internet, it is a
45:03
Speaker 1: blessing and a curse. Yeah, it's about context. I think
45:07
Speaker 1: of how a movie reads now, and there's always I mean,
45:10
Speaker 1: anytime there's any sort of progress made or social change
45:15
Speaker 1: and cultural evolution, there's definitely going to be backlash, and
45:19
Speaker 1: we you just have to power through it. You just
45:21
Speaker 1: have to keep fighting the good fight and not succumb
45:24
Speaker 1: to the regressive tendencies in the status quo because they
45:30
Speaker 1: are harmful and I wanted to. I guess this is
45:32
Speaker 1: a good opportunity to shout out. Are older listeners of
45:35
Speaker 1: the show too, It's like I always especially like I mean,
45:38
Speaker 1: our main chance to interact is online, but also at
45:40
Speaker 1: live shows of it is nice to see listeners who
45:45
Speaker 1: maybe we're growing up during the second or we were
45:48
Speaker 1: growing up during third wave feminism of like girl power, um,
45:52
Speaker 1: but to see women who grew up during various waves
45:55
Speaker 1: of feminism just sharing their experience and talking about how, like, okay,
46:00
Speaker 1: I was a part of the second wave. Like I've
46:02
Speaker 1: had conversations with listeners who were like, I was a
46:04
Speaker 1: part of the second wave feminist movement. But now I
46:07
Speaker 1: see that you know, if you get stuck in a
46:10
Speaker 1: certain movement, then you're just denying yourself progress, and that's
46:15
Speaker 1: how we get turfs um, which is just like yeah,
46:20
Speaker 1: so yeah, we want to thank our older listeners who
46:23
Speaker 1: are keeping their minds open and we promised to do
46:25
Speaker 1: the same. Yes, thanks Stacy. Let's close up with a cup,
46:29
Speaker 1: Let's close out with a couple of fun ones. Yeah. Yeah,
46:31
Speaker 1: Unfortunately we won't have time to get to every question.
46:34
Speaker 1: We've had to skip some. We read them all, We
46:37
Speaker 1: read them all and appreciate there's only so much time.
46:40
Speaker 1: I wanted to take this quick question from Jack. Would
46:42
Speaker 1: you ever consider writing a Becktel cast book? Yes, someone
46:48
Speaker 1: should contact us. But here's the t Jack no Ends asked.
46:56
Speaker 1: Here's a question from Michelle. When will you release an
46:58
Speaker 1: episode about Santa University when someone asks me to make it? Oh? Right,
47:02
Speaker 1: because you have to. We have to have to exist first,
47:04
Speaker 1: let's be produced, and then we will do the episode.
47:08
Speaker 1: A few people asked, yes, A few people have asked,
47:13
Speaker 1: who's our dream guest? Even if it's not realistic, or
47:17
Speaker 1: maybe it is, who knows? We got Alfred, We got Alfred.
47:20
Speaker 1: We can do anything. Who want to have Alison Bechtel?
47:22
Speaker 1: Of course, Yes, Alison Bechtel would be a dream guest. Absolutely.
47:27
Speaker 1: People always ask us also if we if she knows
47:29
Speaker 1: about the show. Um, we don't know, she should I
47:36
Speaker 1: hope by now, I would think by now she does. UM.
47:40
Speaker 1: So if anyone has any contexts out there and wants
47:43
Speaker 1: to hook it up to have her come on, we'd
47:46
Speaker 1: love to have her. Um. They're also Liz Wallace, who
47:50
Speaker 1: is the other half of the Bechtel Wallace Testament. Great. Um.
47:55
Speaker 1: I would love Rashida Jones. I would love to have
48:00
Speaker 1: of I would love to have Gloria Calderon Kellett. I'm
48:04
Speaker 1: not sure if she is one of the only female
48:07
Speaker 1: Latin X showrunners working today. She's very online, she's very
48:11
Speaker 1: cool and we follow each other on Twitter and I'm
48:13
Speaker 1: always afraid to teeter her. She's really cool and she
48:16
Speaker 1: she's the showrunner for one Day at a time on Netflix. Um,
48:21
Speaker 1: and so I'd love to have her on for me.
48:24
Speaker 1: Another one would be Laverne Cox I think would be Yeah.
48:29
Speaker 1: I would love to have Jessica Williams. Yes. I would
48:32
Speaker 1: love to have Jenny Nicholson. She's a YouTuber that who
48:35
Speaker 1: I admire. Also Cat Black as one of my favorite YouTubers.
48:40
Speaker 1: Who else, I mean just everyone, Weatherspoon, Meryl Streep, Meryl Streep,
48:47
Speaker 1: Nicole Brown. If that Nicole Brown would be an amazing guest.
48:53
Speaker 1: She's so funny, She's so funny, and she seems cool.
48:56
Speaker 1: I'm just picking people that I want to hang out with. Um. Yeah,
48:59
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's so there's so many people tweet
49:01
Speaker 1: at them and say, hey, have you heard of this?
49:03
Speaker 1: You should be on it, especially if you know that
49:05
Speaker 1: they live in our area. We have a whole thing
49:07
Speaker 1: where we have to convince people we exist a lot
49:09
Speaker 1: um and so if you can be assist. Oh, anyone
49:12
Speaker 1: who was in a Christmas Prince Wow, I was not
49:15
Speaker 1: expecting you to say that, but I agree welcome them,
49:20
Speaker 1: especially the two different actors who play her dad, Rudy.
49:27
Speaker 1: It's Bernie Sanders can come on the podcast. Okay, let's
49:34
Speaker 1: do two more. This one's from Sarah. I'd love to
49:38
Speaker 1: know if you get any weird or funny reactions from
49:40
Speaker 1: people about the show. You can't be a male comment.
49:45
Speaker 1: You can't not not Actually we have I take that back.
49:48
Speaker 1: We have a lot of wonderful male identifying listeners who
49:51
Speaker 1: have open hearts and minds, we're not talking about them,
49:53
Speaker 1: we're talking about the other ones. Uh. We've as I
49:56
Speaker 1: think early on, it's kind of tapered off. I think
49:59
Speaker 1: we've kind of found our audience and people who it's
50:03
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear what the show is about. And if
50:06
Speaker 1: you hate us and what we're talking about and are listening,
50:09
Speaker 1: why are you torturing yourself? Like, no need to do that,
50:13
Speaker 1: but we we used to get some male comments like
50:21
Speaker 1: one star objectifies men. Oh boy, So that is a
50:28
Speaker 1: nice reminder to go on whatever podcast platform you use. Yes,
50:34
Speaker 1: give us nice things, same say nice things. Give us
50:37
Speaker 1: high ratings. Caitlin doesn't read our iTunes reviews, but I
50:41
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50:46
Speaker 1: it's reading our one star ratings can be fun, but
50:48
Speaker 1: please don't write one. Here's our most recent No, no, no,
50:53
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50:56
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51:01
Speaker 1: don't remember saying that, but someone said I literally spit
51:04
Speaker 1: out my coffee and someone said p erasure during the episode.
51:07
Speaker 1: I guess that. Yes. Um, well, a fun fact about me.
51:13
Speaker 1: I forget everything I say immediately after I say it. Um,
51:17
Speaker 1: a reaction that I still get quite a bit from people.
51:21
Speaker 1: And this This is sometimes people who know about the show,
51:24
Speaker 1: but people will be talking about a movie and they
51:26
Speaker 1: only want to know if it passed the Bechtel test
51:28
Speaker 1: or not, and I'm like, my god. We spend two
51:32
Speaker 1: minutes maybe of every episode discussing the Bechtel test, and
51:36
Speaker 1: then the rest of it is everything else there is
51:38
Speaker 1: to talk about, but people still only seem to be
51:41
Speaker 1: concerned about whether or not the movie passes at the
51:43
Speaker 1: Bechtel test, and I'm like, I barely care anymore. I truly.
51:47
Speaker 1: We don't. Sometimes forget to do it. I often forget
51:50
Speaker 1: to pay attention because it's just I think, with like
51:53
Speaker 1: the three years that we've been doing the show, three
51:56
Speaker 1: plus years, we've had so many more interest conversations and
52:00
Speaker 1: there's so many more important things to talk about. It's
52:03
Speaker 1: a jumping off point. We've been saying it from the beginning,
52:05
Speaker 1: but we meet it now more than ever. It is funny, yeah,
52:07
Speaker 1: like when you especially because it makes me so uncomfortable
52:10
Speaker 1: to like, I don't know, like when you meet someone
52:12
Speaker 1: and they're like, what do you do? And then they're like,
52:15
Speaker 1: but what's it about? I'm like, I don't want to
52:16
Speaker 1: do this, please just let me sit here. Um. But
52:21
Speaker 1: like when you we're like, oh, it's about the vital test,
52:23
Speaker 1: and then someone's like and then they're like, so you
52:26
Speaker 1: just figure out it passes. I'm like, I'm not going
52:28
Speaker 1: to have sex with you, please please stop. Um. Yeah,
52:33
Speaker 1: I don't know, but male comments and then people being
52:37
Speaker 1: like should it take two hours to figure that? I
52:42
Speaker 1: think we're stupid? I don't know. Um, people are wild.
52:47
Speaker 1: Everyone listening right now is great. It's great unless you're
52:50
Speaker 1: not unless you're in the middle of reading a one
52:52
Speaker 1: star all right, Well, uh one last question, very important,
52:58
Speaker 1: very strong answer comes from Chris. Can we start a
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Speaker 1: team moist scabs for all these centrists out there? No? No,
53:08
Speaker 1: we can't know so centrism. Who are you? Joe Biden?
53:13
Speaker 1: I don't like centrism. But know what I'm saying is
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Speaker 1: that what if the scab thing is a spectrum and
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Speaker 1: It's team dry scabs, is the answer. If you like
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53:42
Speaker 1: I think I'm leading. So I've always been team wet Scabs.
53:46
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53:51
Speaker 1: cool and smart. I like this team moist Gabs. This
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Speaker 1: create something and then it becomes out of your control
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Speaker 1: and it's very uncomfortable. I think that's what I'm experience.
54:05
Speaker 1: I understand. Um, I am very hesitant about moist Scabs.
54:10
Speaker 1: I'll try to keep an open mind, but I don't
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