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Joe SHOCKED by AXIOS report on Congress trying to regulate AI that they don't use · THE DAILY BRIEF

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  Speaker 1: Mike Allen, on the ongoing issue of AI, Axios is
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  Speaker 1: out with new reporting titled An Aging Congress Attempts to
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  Speaker 1: Regulate AI Without Using It.
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  Speaker 2: This is a problem. This is a problem. This is
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  Speaker 2: a problem.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, this is great reporting by the Axios politics and
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  Speaker 3: congressional teams. They've talked to more than two dozen governors
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  Speaker 3: and members of Congress who.
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  Speaker 2: Admitted that they don't use AI.
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  Speaker 3: And the quotes In this story, up on Axios, Roger Wicker,
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  Speaker 3: chair of the Armed Services Committee, Republican of Mississippi. Heavens no,
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  Speaker 3: he said when they asked him if he used AI.
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  Speaker 3: Remind me, my mom used to say, heavens to Betsy.
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  Speaker 2: Heavens to Betsy. One of my senators, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: A constituent of Senator Tim Kaine, Democrat of Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: He said, not intentionally, there were lots. Wait, wait, wait.
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  Speaker 2: Why would somebody say that? I don't really understand.
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  Speaker 3: He said that when it's summarized his meetings, it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: always accurate.
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  Speaker 2: There were lots of I don't know. And God bless
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  Speaker 2: Susan Collins, who I saw in.
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  Speaker 3: The airport the other day, said Republican of Maine said
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  Speaker 3: that sometimes it popped.
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  Speaker 2: Up on her phone. The way it matters is. This
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  Speaker 2: is very technical.
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  Speaker 3: We're seeing right away that the simple right-left positions that
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  Speaker 3: can guide you on so many issues are not going
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  Speaker 3: to work. here and across the country around tables around
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  Speaker 3: the country people are talking about this and they they're
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  Speaker 3: every member every governor running this fall is going to
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  Speaker 3: be asked about it needs to be able to talk
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  Speaker 3: about it with authority people have very understandable fears and
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  Speaker 3: they don't use it they just don't know i i really.
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  Speaker 4: Don't know how john eilman in 2026 i hope you
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  Speaker 4: use it How in 2026, people don't use perplexity or
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  Speaker 4: chat GPT or you name it, whatever, Claude, whatever device
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  Speaker 4: that is, because whatever part of your life you you
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  Speaker 4: you're dealing with, you know, you can get answers. You
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  Speaker 4: can get quick answers. It's not about all.
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  Speaker 2: It's not about taking over the world.
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  Speaker 4: It's about summarizing management things. You can get some quick
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  Speaker 4: medical advice if you've got a child saying this, this, this.
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  Speaker 2: It's very good on that, by the way. It's very good.
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  Speaker 4: It's really good on medical advice. So when you call
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  Speaker 4: the doctor, you know what you're talking about. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to get too deep into it. But,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Mika said, hey, we're in this place. I
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  Speaker 4: want to know where antique stores are.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Perplexity, where's the best antique store in this area?
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  Speaker 4: And it gives you instantly five antique stores. Here are
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  Speaker 4: the websites. This is why this one's better. You go
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  Speaker 4: through all of that as an exercise. And one of
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  Speaker 4: the reasons I do it is to see how rapidly
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  Speaker 4: it's improving. ChatGPT today is 100 times better than ChatGPT
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  Speaker 4: was yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: A year ago. The day before yesterday. The day before yesterday. Exponentially,
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  Speaker 2: it keeps getting better. And that's something that they should know.
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  Speaker 4: They also it would be great for them to just
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  Speaker 4: dig in. There are footnotes, by the way. If Tim Kaine,
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  Speaker 4: Tim Kaine, if you're worried that he gives you bad information,
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  Speaker 4: you can get footnotes on an advanced chat GPT or perplexity.
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  Speaker 4: Everything it tells you, there's a footnote. You hit the link,
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  Speaker 4: you go to the link and you can confirm what
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  Speaker 4: it's telling you. I don't know why everybody in Congress
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't be using it. But if they're not even using
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  Speaker 4: the little apps, how in the hell are they going
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  Speaker 4: to figure out how to regulate frontier systems?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: So a number of things to say about this. First is,
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  Speaker 5: it's like the least surprising thing in the world. In
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  Speaker 5: every wave of technological innovation, the Congress has always been behind.
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  Speaker 5: And we now have a more gerontocratic Congress than ever.
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  Speaker 2: You remember the tubes. Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you know, if you if you were
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  Speaker 5: around and I know you were for the period of
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  Speaker 5: time where the transition happened from the information superhighway to
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  Speaker 5: the Internet. Some of these people in the Senate are
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  Speaker 5: still barely kind of past the transition to they realize
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  Speaker 5: it's not the information superhighway anymore. It's the Internet, let
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  Speaker 5: alone getting on to it. to the AI systems. Congress, Luddites, old,
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  Speaker 5: and technologically kind of phobic, right? What I hear in
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  Speaker 5: Tim Kaine there is, as much as anything, is a
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  Speaker 5: sign of how toxic this issue has become.
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  Speaker 4: What I hear is a guy who is... John Lemire
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  Speaker 4: agrees with you. It is toxic. If he is using it,
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  Speaker 4: he doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Want his constituents... Right, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 5: His reaction to this is, Tim Kaine's not up this year.
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  Speaker 5: His reaction to the question is, I don't want to
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  Speaker 5: be anywhere near AI right now. And I'm sure he
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  Speaker 5: is also not super familiar with it. But in the
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  Speaker 5: conversation with an action news reporter, it's like, I don't
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  Speaker 5: want to be like a scene of somebody who uses
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  Speaker 5: a lot of AI. That's how we've gone from AI
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  Speaker 5: being politically positive to politically neutral. It's now politically toxic
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  Speaker 5: where people's immediate reaction is like, nope, keep that away
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  Speaker 5: from me. I don't want to get that. on my
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  Speaker 5: on my shoes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And look, it's a it's a catastrophe given by me.
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  Speaker 5: Mike and Jim have been on this case for a
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  Speaker 5: long time. But I it is it is it is devastating.
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  Speaker 5: It's a place where the where the failures of Congress
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  Speaker 5: and the political class to get their arms around this
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  Speaker 5: are more devastating than probably any issue that we've had
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  Speaker 5: in our lifetime.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to talk about this on the other side.
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  Speaker 4: I will tell you something that I think everybody on
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  Speaker 4: the table will remember. This reminds me so much of
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  Speaker 4: what happened. I've said it before here. I'll say it again.
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  Speaker 4: What happened in 2007 when I kept reading in The
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  Speaker 4: New York Times, Wall Street Journal about these credit default swaps?
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  Speaker 4: I was like, what is this? This doesn't make sense
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  Speaker 4: to me. I don't understand how you chop up bad mortgages.
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  Speaker 4: You put them with other mortgages. You sell them across
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  Speaker 4: the globe. But I always came back to, well, I
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  Speaker 4: don't understand it. These people must be smarter than me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a country lawyer. Exactly. And that's where we are
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  Speaker 2: right now. Yeah. And this is existential. We need expertise.
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  Speaker 3: The flip side of this, Congressman Don Meyer, Democrat of Virginia,
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  Speaker 3: he went back and got a master's in.
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  Speaker 2: Machine learning, very on brand. Did he really? For Don.
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  Speaker 2: And he recommends quad. So that's the flip side.
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  Speaker 5: There you go. But just social media is a good
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  Speaker 5: example of a thing with a much lower stakes. Congress
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  Speaker 5: was very slow picking up on social media. We saw
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  Speaker 5: what the consequences there were, which is that we didn't
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  Speaker 5: regulate it, didn't have a good net policy.
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  Speaker 4: It has taken 12 years for the system to catch
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  Speaker 4: up to the damage and the harm caused by social media.
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