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MINI SCROLL: Avery Woods vs. college student, James Charles apologises + Justin Bieber x Palantir? · Mini Scroll

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  Coming up today on Mini Scroll, Avery Woods versus a college
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  student, James Charles addresses his GoFundMe crash out and
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  Justin Bieber's alleged Palantir concert.
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  Hi everyone. Welcome to Mini Scroll, the
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  All right, let's just get into the stories for today.
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  So the first story that I have for you guys yesterday is Avery
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  Woods influencer and soon to be reality star is facing backlash
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  after she is seemingly doxed a college student for leaving a
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  rude comment on her Instagram post.
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  Avery is a mommy and lifestyle influencer and she also has a
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  podcast on the Unwell Network. The only time I think we've ever
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  covered her meaningfully was when she made that boy mom
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  Tiktok that went so insanely viral.
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  And I don't actually even know if we did cover that, but she
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  made this video where she basically was like, I love my
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  daughter, but I love my son so much more.
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  That's very much paraphrasing, but that is essentially what
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  people extracted from that video.
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  It went so viral. It kicked off this giant
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  conversation online. This was a few years ago around
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  like boy moms and the patriarchy and all of that kind of stuff.
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  Aside from this, she is somewhat controversial.
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  I don't listen to her podcast or really consume much of her
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  content, but I know people have a lot of issues with like the
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  opinions that she States and I think how she states them.
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  OK so Avery has since been cast on the new Secret Lives of
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  Mormon Wives Orange County spinoff and people initially
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  were not super stoked about it to begin with.
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  I have seen a lot of feedback in the comments that she's not
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  Mormon or Mormon adjacent. Like on the original.
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  Some of them have left the church but they grew up in Utah
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  or they grew up Mormon. And with Aspen, Aspen Ovard, she
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  is on the spin off as well and her and Avery are friends and
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  she I believe was never Mormon but she grew up in that culture.
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  So I think Avery doesn't have any ties to Mormonism, to the
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  Mormon church, which a lot of people don't really like.
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  So that was already an issue with that casting choice.
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  And now another major one has kicked off this weekend after
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  Avery responded to a user who posted something rude on her
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  Instagram post. So Avery had posted a video of
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  her and another cast member with a camera crew in the background.
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  And the caption said, lots of opinions about a show that you
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  haven't even watched yet. And that was in response, I
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  believe, to the people who are saying, like, why are you on the
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  show? You're not even Mormon.
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  Then somebody commented on this video.
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  Guys, she had to pay for her new house somehow.
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  Avery screenshotted that, put it on her Instagram stories with a
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  photo of the girl who commented that, and she wrote, why are the
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  cutest girls always the meanest? Anyways, you're beautiful.
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  Hope you have a better day today.
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  Already a disproportionate reaction to a comment that said
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  guy she had to pay for her new house somehow this is so OK, I'm
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  getting ahead of myself and this is reminding me so much of the
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  James Charles situation where it's like this person did not
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  say anything like that mean to you, especially in the James
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  Charles situation that girl didn't say anything mean to him.
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  This was like a snarky rude comment, but like that's it like
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  that's the extent of how far that went and so to put her full
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  face and her full photo on your Instagram story and the comment
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  I think that's disproportion. I know I said last episode that
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  you could probably sway my opinion one way or another when
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  influencers do this. And it's really ironic that the
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  very first story of the next episode back is this.
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  But I think it really depends. Like, that's what I was trying
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  to say is it really depends on what the comment is, what the
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  message is. Like in this case, I don't think
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  that this was warranted. OK.
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  Then Avery followed up with another Instagram story she
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  wrote. Also, for those who are assuming
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  I'm doing a reality show because I'm hurting for money, clearly
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  don't understand how reality television works.
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  I mean, yes, like, as somebody who has watched so much TV, like
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  reality TVI know that you never get paid a lot in those early
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  seasons, in those first few seasons, maybe, unless you're
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  like a really big celebrity. Like I don't know if Jenna Lyons
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  for New York got a big paycheck for that season.
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  Like, I don't know. But regardless, like I know
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  typically reality TV doesn't pay a lot in its early seasons, but
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  this has clearly struck a nerve with her.
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  Why do you feel the need to respond at all?
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  OK, so then I guess because she posted her face on her Instagram
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  account, the girl messaged her and wrote didn't go the way you
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  were expecting it. Thanks for the 20 plus new
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  followers and supporters because people were really in support of
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  this girl because again, it was a disproportionate reaction.
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  Most people thought to the comment that she left for Avery
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  to like put her full face and comment and name on her
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  Instagram story. Avery responds to this.
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  You need help blocking you so you don't have to keep coming
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  back to harass me. Wishing you nothing but healing
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  and love. OK sure, block her like that is
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  probably what you should have done from the start.
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  If her comment really upset you, then Avery did something deeply
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  unhinged. She then sent her a screenshot
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  showing that she had DM Ed the girls university.
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  This is what she wrote to the university.
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  Hi there, wanted to reach out about someone who has been both
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  publicly and privately harassing me on my social media pages.
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  She seems to be a student of yours and has your university in
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  her bio on Instagram. Wanted to flag for you because
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  I'm sure you don't want cyberbully attending your
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  school. And she sent that to the girl
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  and she wrote gave your university a heads up because
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  I'm sure they don't want to bully attending their school.
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  Peace and love and healing. I'm sorry, trying to ruin a
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  girl's education and future over a comment of her saying you got
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  to pay for the new house somehow over like a snarky rude comment?
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  Does anybody want to receive a comment like that?
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  No, but there are a million other worst comments on that
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  video than what that girl wrote. It was such a weird reaction to
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  like a snarky rude comment that a lots of people were making.
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  Now this has turned into like a full blown Internet movement
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  against Avery. There is a petition going around
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  trying to get Avery kicked off the cast of Secret Lives of
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  Mormon Wives OC and what she did to the student is diabolical and
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  horrible. I do find it ironic that there
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  have never been petitions, as far as I know, that have gone
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  around about like Taylor, Dakota, Jordan, Zach, any of the
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  really deeply problematic figures and abusive figures that
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  we have seen on the original show on that cast.
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  Maybe because that has not extended to the audience.
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  I'm assuming that's probably why.
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  Whereas like Avery's behavior is extending now to regular people.
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  But they wanted to get, I think 200 signatures and they got
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  that. OK, so then the girl allegedly
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  posted on Reddit. Obviously I can't verify that
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  this is actually her, but this is a person claiming to be her.
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  And they wrote, I'm the girl. She posted on her story.
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  Hi all, I was damned by someone mentioning I had been put on
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  Reddit. I just wanted to say thank you
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  to everyone who has supported me.
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  I truly wasn't expecting all this to happen over one joke
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  comment I made. She's actually trying to get me
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  kicked out of my university for harassment.
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  I don't think that will happen due to the nature of my comment,
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  but I wanted to let you know that's her new goal.
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  She is not a nice person and baffled to be getting this type
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  of behavior from a 31 year old mom.
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  I'm not exactly sure if you can even message people on Reddit
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  but I'm relatively new to the app.
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  But feel free to reach out if you're curious about the
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  situation. I am sure that the harassment
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  and the hate and the DMS that influencers and celebrities get
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  is so out of control. Like I am certain that it would
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  take such a toll on you and that eventually you would probably
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  would snap right? However, to have posted the
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  initial post, OK sure maybe you could argue the 1st post where
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  she shared her comment like the girl's comment and the picture
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  of her and said like this girl's meme basically.
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  Maybe you could argue this was like a rash decision, she was
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  super angry and she just kind of snapped.
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  OK but then to continue going to be engaged in DMS with this girl
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  and then to message her university like that is
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  methodical. That is not heat of the moment
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  kind of shit. Block and move on.
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  Don't read your comments, don't read your DMS, And if you can't
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  handle that, people are going to speculate about how you make
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  your money, what side of the political spectrum you're on,
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  where you stand on certain issues.
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  Whatever it is, either you need to make it clear or you need to
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  be OK with people not fully knowing you and assuming
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  probably the worst in you at all times and being OK with that
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  because the benefits of you having this platform and this
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  career away. The other stuff.
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  All right, the next story that I have for you guys today, kind of
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  continuing on with this theme is James Charles has apologized for
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  mocking a girl who slid into his DMS asking him to donate to a
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  GoFundMe after she allegedly lost her job at Spirit Airlines.
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  So I covered this on Friday. It was a developing story, if
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  you will, and now it has developed and James has taken
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  the video down and he has apologized.
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  So if you guys don't know what I'm talking about, James Charles
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  made this absolutely insane video after a girl all slid into
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  his DMS and said I just lost my job at Spirit Airlines can you
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  donate to my go fund me? And he was like she doesn't even
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  follow me why do you think I'm like your personal ATM?
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  Like he was losing his mind but the thing that really triggered
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  people was he called her entitled, lazy and stupid and
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  told her that in the time that she took to DM him and everyone
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  else, she probably DM D. She could have been applying for
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  jobs and that this is just the real world.
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  Just go get a job like everybody else.
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  Welcome to the real world. Thousands of people have just
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  lost their jobs and to that everybody was like exactly
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  thousands of people have lost their jobs, James, something
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  that you probably have never experienced and will never have
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  to experience. So don't you think that maybe
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  the job market is really not that great?
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  You don't need to respond. You don't need to donate to the
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  GoFundMe. I totally again, I totally
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  understand that getting DMS like that, they probably get so many
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  of them every single day. Just ignore them.
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  If you don't want to address the DM, ignore it.
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  OK, so now tons of people have chimed in, including Jackie Ina.
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  Very jobless behavior on James Charles Park.
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  James and I are considered peers.
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  I'm a content creator. He's a content creator.
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  I'm a founder. He is a founder.
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  We are technically considered peers.
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  I normally like to mind my business.
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  I don't like to come after other creators.
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  This is probably one of the like, I thought this was fake.
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  Is this fake? I don't think James has ever had
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  a real job. I don't think he's ever had a
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  job that isn't social media, that isn't an independent
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  contractor. I don't think he's ever clocked
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  in. I don't think he's ever had AW
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  2. I don't think he's ever done any
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  of that. The way you're talking to this
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  person shows and it's very disgusting and it's very
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  inappropriate. I would simply melt away if
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  Jackie Ina made a video like this about me.
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  And now James has returned with a quote UN quote apology.
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  This city was fucking stupid, It was rude, it was obnoxious, it
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  was privileged, and most importantly, it was completely
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  fucking unnecessary. When I saw that DM, I absolutely
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  had the choice to ignore it and say absolutely nothing at all
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  and move on with my day, but instead I couldn't even tell you
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  why her message just triggered me and I decided and said to
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  make a video about it. And I bashed her and it was
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  obnoxious and I shamed her for asking for help in a situation
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  where she was clearly really struggling and this could have
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  been her absolute last resort. I have no idea what was going on
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  in her life and I should have never assumed that she was just
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  copying and pasting this DM as an easy way out.
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  I don't know, I just don't know. My intention behind making this
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  video in the 1st place was I get a lot of messages like this
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  every single day. And for me personally, it
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  definitely sucks to receive messages from people that don't
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  follow you and don't support you treating you like a personal ATM
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  or bank account. But what I'm sure sucks even
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  fucking more is not knowing where your next paycheck is
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  coming from and not being sure whether or not you're going to
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  be able to put food on the table for yourself and your family.
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  So it really doesn't matter what my intentions were behind making
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  the video because it came across as super fucking privilege.
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  And like, I was basically shaming anybody that's
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  unemployed for not trying hard enough to get a job.
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  And I feel awful because that wasn't my intention and it
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  really hurt a lot of people. And I know that it's not that
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  easy. I know that the job market
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  fucking sucks right now. I mean, he really listened to
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  the feedback. Like those are all the talking
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  points that people had. But like, what is going on?
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  These people need to chill out. I'm not saying that you can't
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  feel this way. Maybe I guess like in your
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  personal life, like you don't need to take to the Internet and
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  scream at us. You don't need to dox people.
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  You don't need to be doing all of this.
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  There definitely are instances where I am on the side of an
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  influencer when they are defending themselves.
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  Like if people are sliding into their DMS to say mean things
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  about their kids, if they're talking about their bodies or
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  their appearance, if they're sending them really hateful,
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  threatening messages, like in that case, I understand wanting
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  to stand up for yourself. Both of these instances with
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  James and Avery, what insanely disproportionate reactions.
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  OK. And the last story that I have
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  for you guys today, I hate to defend a man, but Annabelle will
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  not let me live it down if I don't use this platform that I
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  have built from the ground up of mini scroll to correct the
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  misinformation going around about Justin Bieber right now.
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  So Justin Bieber is facing intense backlash on TikTok and
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  Reddit after photos of him went viral in which he is performing
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  at a corporate conference. If you look this up, social
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  media users are widely reporting on this performance as Justin
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  Bieber holding a quote, UN quote like private concert for
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  Palantir executives. So if you don't know what
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  Palantir is, it's considered one of like the bad guy companies in
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  the world, largely because of its data mining software, which
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  enables mass surveillance and has recently been used by ICE in
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  America. So this is from Wired, quote.
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  Last fall, Palantir seemed to become the technological
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  backbone of Trump's immigration enforcement machinery, providing
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  software identifying, tracking and helping deport immigrants on
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  behalf of the Department of Homeland Security.
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  So yes, Palantir is big bad for reasons beyond just that.
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  So it makes sense that fans of Justin Bieber were shook that he
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  would do this private concert for Palantir executives.
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  However, if you do like 4 seconds of research on this, you
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  will see that this was not some private concert for Palantir
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  executives. Justin Bieber was the headline
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  performer at WNDR which is a yearly private invite only
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  conference that brings together tech entrepreneurs, CE OS a list
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  celebrities and entertainment industry execs.
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  So he was the headliner at this conference.
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  And this is from the LA Times, quote the Ultra A list.
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  Talks and guests included director James Cameron, former
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  Disney CEO Bob Iger, YouTube CEO Neil Mahon, FIFA president
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  Gianni Infantino, Oprah Winfrey and Julia Roberts, and comedians
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  Chris Rock and Trevor Noah and artist Jeff Koons.
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  So the Palantir CEO Alex Karp was there, but this was not like
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  a private concert for Palantir executives.
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  And even though you could argue that this is all a technicality,
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  right, Like the missing information around this
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  performance doesn't actually matter that much because the
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  Palantir CEO, he was still there.
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  There were other tech billionaires who are bad guys
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  there too. It will continue to be so hard
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  for us to make progress if we are not so clear on correcting
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  misinformation. Part of it is around holding
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  people to account, right? Like, if we don't have the
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  information correct, then it actually gives those people an
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  out. Like Justin and his team can
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  brush this off as like an overarching misunderstanding
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  from the public, fake news. It's not something that they
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  technically need to respond to because we don't have it right.
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  Whereas if the actual outrage was around the fact that he
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  performed at this for a bunch of billionaires or aligned himself
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  with this conference or whatever, and we didn't like
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  that and we were giving that feedback, but it was like based
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  on real information and not misinformation.
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  And maybe that would actually make these people think twice.
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  But because it was technically not true, it kind of allows
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  Justin or anyone in this type of situation to hide behind that.
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  Someone on Reddit wrote it's definitely a bad decision to be
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  performing at an event where Palantir exec is speaking.
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  But there is a huge difference in what the title is trying to
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  imply, that Palantir is putting on the event and that Bieber is
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  singing for them. I think it's a good enough
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  critique to call out Bieber and other celebs for also being
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  where Palantir exec is featured as a speaker.
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  Their teams should have been aware of whoever else is
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  speaking there and made a decision and failed to do so.
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  And that should be called out, especially because Justin and
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  Haley showed up. What was it like the Oscars, the
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  Golden Globes? And they were wearing like ice
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  out pins. So yeah, like fair enough.
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  But like if we don't have the right information then the
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  backlash or the outrage just falls flat.
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  The craziest thing though, you guys, the craziest thing on this
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  schedule is Justin Bieber in conversation with NVIDIA CEO.
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  Like what? What kind of world are we living
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  in? I was dying and I was like,
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  Annabelle, what the fuck is going on?
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  Like, what do you think this is about?
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  And she was like, honestly, taste is like the thing that
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  tech is currently obsessed with, which like if you spend enough
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  time on LinkedIn, you will see is true.
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  Every tech bro is constantly posting about cultural relevancy
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  and taste and how you maintain those or bring those to life in
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  like a post AI world. So it's definitely another
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  example of these like tech companies trying to give their
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  brand aura and like show that they have taste.
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  But Justin Bieber in conversation with the NVIDIA
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  CEO. No, what episode of Black Mirror
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  are we living in? Like I can't.
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  Anyways, guys, that's it for mini school today.
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