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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 293 - SWEET STICKINESS IN DEALEY PLAZA · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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Section one oh seven of the Fair Use Act of nineteen seventy six provides protection
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to use copyrighted material for research, analysis, education, and commentary purposes.
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We hear at Loose Moose Productions, reserve that right now, on with the
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show. Here's Joe b and the Triple b. Hey and you Deane.
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How's things in Texas? Everything is going to hail down here in Dustice,
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jan Joy and Joey, Joey and then joe Yummy and Joey drop Dog and
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Joey Joey and Jem and Jobby and Joey rock Doggy Yo Shore and here we
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go and here we go and here what's up? Everybody? We are having
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technical difficulties, so bear with us. I cannot hear any of that intro
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song. Joe, I don't know if you could? I could you can?
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Okay, that's fantastic, so hopefully the people heard it too. Anyway,
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we don't want to bore you with details. Welcome to the show.
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This is episode two ninety three, The sweet Stickiness in Daley Plaza, which
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of course we are referring to sanguine, isn't it right, Joe? That's
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the is that the French term or is that something different. I think it
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might be. I'm not sure. Don't put me on the spot with it,
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but you know I love putting you on the spot, buddy. I
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don't know French. But happy Friday, everyone, and I hope you've had
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a good week and happy to be here with the Triple B and go we
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here right on. Well, I guess I can lose these because they're not
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working either. So we're here somehow through all this triph and toil to bring
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you another great episode. Joe, how was your week? My friend?
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It was long, to be honest, that's what she said. True.
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No, it's I been working all week, been pretty busy and finally happy
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to be in my safe zone with all my friends some might safe and all
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the people that join us every Friday night. And we should probably say hi
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to them. We should, Joe, Let's see who all is in the
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house. I know some people been standing by for a while. First off,
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Joe, let me before we do anything else. I'm gonna move my
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camera a little bit before you say that. Paul said, I'm too low.
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Let me know if I moved up a little bit, if I'm still
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low, let me know. Whole lot thank you. If you could see
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over my shoulder there right above John Kennedy's head, I can. There's a
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new addition. This comes from are devoted listener, Lee Lee Henry Oswald in
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the Midwest, and it is an original INCA issued Oswald a portrait in red
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thirty three and a third LP in pristine condition. So thank you very much,
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my friend, Lee Henry Oswald, you know who you are. It's
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greatly appreciated, and it is now at least temporarily up on the wall as
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it is. I'll get it in a more permanent fixture in the near future,
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but it's there. It's there. I just wanted to acknowledge that.
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Everybody. All right, let's see who we got in the house tonight.
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A lot of this is from earlier and that's great. I love it that
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you guys come in here and start talking about this stuff for you and start
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talking about it. Guarding the guns is in the house. Perpetual concepts bongled
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Zendar, No. Claud's been here for drinking for about three hours. Sally's
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in the house. Trey, what's up south to West? Let's see tiny
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dancers in Ashley? What's up? The thunder from down under. Let's see
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Paula Jane. Yes, old slackers in the house. Roger Maynard is in
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the house. Our music director, professor who doo? Who so yeah,
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and dt K thirty nine? What up? What up? What up?
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Indeed, all right, Joe, I'll let you kick it off with a
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little uh, with a little fun fact Friday for us, Yes, sir,
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so fun Fact Friday. We haven't done it in a couple of weeks,
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but we are bringing it back in a very brief form. I know
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a lot of our listeners are interested in history. Obviously, yesterday was the
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eightieth rob anniversary of D Day, Operation Neptune and Overlord. And yeah,
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my grandfather was there. Yeah, and I didn't know that untill we did
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the Purple Heart thing, but yeah, my father's were and you know whatever
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days after mine definitely didn't storm the beach on day one. And also I
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probably wouldn't be here. But Rob, have you ever heard of people and
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these are airborne kind of like special forces called the Pathfinders, the Pathfinders,
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but they sound like bad asses, Bro. They were, and they were
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almost like the and I don't know if it's comparable, but like the the
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people that stayed behind enemy lines in Cuba when Castro took over, like Tony
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Sporza and other people like to stay behind network, and I mean they weren't
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really like stay behind in the country, creating a cover for months. But
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they ended up parachuting in a couple hours before the main Para paratroopers stormed in
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at about one am and they went were dropped at around eleven PM, about
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three hundred Pathfinders, and their jobs rob were to land safely obviously and set
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up these different beacons so that when the thirteen thousand paratroopers came in think banded
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brothers, right, they knew the pilots knew where to drop them. And
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I really had no idea about this. This kind of like Special Operations Force.
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But on the left hand side you'll see what they jumped with, which
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was their beacons. It's called like a Eurepa beacons something like that. And
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on the right it was the machines that were in the airplanes that were dropping
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the paratroopers that knew where to drop them. And there were about three hundred
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Pathfinder paratroopers dropped in about a couple hours, one or two hours before the
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one hundred first airborne and eighty second airborne and things like that, and they
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set up a ton of beacons with the image I showed you, and some
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of them were successful, some of them weren't. If you remember Band Brothers,
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these planes were getting hit by flak. They were flying way faster than
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what they were supposed to fly and way lower, so when paratroopers dumped,
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their light bags and other equipment just flew out due to the whiplash. But
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it was pretty effective, and they tried it in sicily in World War Two
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in like forty two or forty three, but it was pretty much perfected in
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June of nineteen forty four, and a little known aspect of the D Day
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invasion as the pathfinders and special operations think like Navy seals that type of thing.
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So God bless all those souls, pathfinders and everyone who contributed to the
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D Day invasion eighty years ago round. Yeah, no doubt or things might
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have not been the the same. So that is your fun fact Friday.
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And as a as a downer, we have another passing to announce to everyone
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from the JFK research community, and that would be Phil Nelson has passed away
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at the age of seventy nine on June the second. Now, a lot
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of people didn't share, you know, the ideology. I guess you would
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call it with Phil who believed that LBJ was the mastermind of the assassination.
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But you know, he was a big believer in a conspiracy for sure.
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And not only did he publish that book, he all so I published LBJ
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from Mastermind to Colossus, remember the Liberty and who really killed Martin Luther King
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Junior. So yeah, he was a prolific author and I used to get
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emails from him constantly with with relative news, you know, as it related
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to the assassination, timely and topical. So yeah, rest in peace,
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Phil Nelson. Claude pour out a little bit of a Learne star on the
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ground for Phil Nelson. Another another one gone too soon. So yeah,
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that's a that's a shame man. And thank you John for the supersticker.
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We appreciated my friend. You rock, you rock, Thank you John.
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Every week we love it. I can always count on old John come through.
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But quickly you said he was You had like exchange messages or some type
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of correspondence with him. Well, I think I was on some kind I
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got on his email list somehow some over the years, I don't know.
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I used to get pretty you know, weekly emails pretty much, you know,
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with topic topic and timely you know, jfk assassination related news and stuff
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whatever, you know, piqued his interest. But I assume I won't be
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receiving any more of them. But you know, like I said, I'm
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not part of the camp that believes that LBJ was the mastermind and this,
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that and the other. But you know some people do. And that was
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his vein, that was what he was in. And he was still a
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seeker of the truth and on the right side of things. And may he
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rest in peace, yes, sir. And anyone that's like, well researched
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and have a certain that I don't necessarily agree with, I respect, right,
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it's if you're not researched, and you might have like a yeah,
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you're not an asshole, which he was not. You know, he was
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not one of those pushy asshole type people. M Yeah, Jimmy hendricks was
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a screaming Eagle paratrooper in thee hundred and first Airborne Wow. Did not know
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that, Thank you, tiny dancer, love me some Jimmy Hendricks Man.
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I did not know that either, a tiny dancer. That is amazing.
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I know he was in the army, but I didn't know he was like
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a paratrooper dude. Yeah, neither did I. But the timing, I
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don't know if how old he was, he would have to be. He's
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in the twenty seventh club. Oh I know that, so okay? Yeah,
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him, Johnnas Choplin and Kirk Cobain I believe too, right. Yeah,
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have you ever jumped out of an airplane? Joe? I have not,
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but I one hun would Would you do it? Tripping balls on acid?
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Not my first jump jump for sure? Yeah. I think Jimmy Hendrick
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probably would have done that. And thank you Roger, a very nice common
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interview. Hey Joe, what you're doing with that gun in your hand?
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Buncle always kills it with the comments. See hey, I didn't even think
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about that. That's a good one for sure. All right, Joe,
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you ready to get into the meet of things. Well, oh, one
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other thing we need to acknowledge our very own and I don't see him in
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here. Yeah, team was in here earlier, but I have If you
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bear with me for just one second, one of our family friends here in
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the chat that is consistently here for almost every live we do. Alpha sixty
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six was kind enough because he lives in Dallas to go down and take some
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actual footage of the parking garage that we were talking about a couple shows back,
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and the Adolphine Hotel and where the Carousel Club is now, just for
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perspective purposes. So hopefully, Joe, this will work okay, hopefully and
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people can hear it. Hopefully. Here we go is Alpha Shicky Shick to
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bring you a video today. I'm in downtown Dallas. This in Main Street
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directly in front of me, right there, big o'high rise. Pretty Much
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everything you see in the screen is the Adolphine Hotel. Now that part,
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that's the highest part. I think that all is original to nineteen sixty three
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and before. So as Kenny's coming down Main Street here, I don't know
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if that gives a good idea of potential shooters that could be in the Adolphice
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if they decided to go her out, but I don't think it would be
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a good spot. See if I can get a better long shot. There's
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Main Street at the bottom of my screen, and there's top of the Adolphine.
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All right, I gotta go round the block to do part two of
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this video. All right, Part two coming at you. That's not it,
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Part two coming at you. Okay, Alpha sixty six coming back with
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part two of this video. Shout out to the oncoming podcast Triple B and
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Joey SCARSBORRELLI. Basically right than the center screen, about where that tree is
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was where Jack Ruby's Carousel Club was back in nineteen sixty three. Now,
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this building that's there now is not the original building that was there in sixty
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three. That bigger part the original building used to be known as a Baker
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Hotel. I think back in sixty three this all new construction. It's now
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the AT and T building. But like I said, right there on the
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corner where that tree is at was about where the Jack Ruby Carousel Club entrance
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was at. Now, pan over here across the street that is Manor House
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apartment high rise building, and right next to it, he said, Lee,
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it'll be parking garage. That's the parking garage that Triple B and joe
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scart is talking about a few episodes ago on the Longgoming podcast. Now that
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white towards the top of the building down there at the next corner. That
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is the Earl Cable Federal Building Earl Cable. That name should sound familiar to
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jfk assassination bus He was the mayor of Dallas at the time of the jfk
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assassination in nineteen sixty three. I went to highlight this a little small parking
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garage, manor house, and the close proximity to where Jack Ruby's Caroselle Club
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was at right there. All right, you'll have a great day, talk
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to you later. Excellent work, Big Mike, Alpha sixty six coming through
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into clubs. And I hope that that gives you a better perspective of where
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Jack Ruby's club was and where the all Right parking garage was and and I
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think Mike was there was also a parking garage to the left of the Carousel
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Club that was part of that hotel, the Baker Hotel that he was talking
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about. So why Jack Ruby needed to go down the street towards the all
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Right parking garage to use the phone? Who knows? But yeah, if
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you, if you, if you like, Mike, Mike is in the
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house now, Alpha sixty six is here, and uh, Mike does a
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lot of these videos around Dallas because he's a local. So if you'd like
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to check out his channel and check out more of his videos, the link
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is in the description of this episode, so I encourage you all to check
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it out, give him a like and a follow. Let's blow him up.
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Uh, and once again, thank you Mike for doing that. Uh.
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That's our boots on the Ground man, Boots on the ground guy.
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Uh. See that. Very cool, very cool man. Yeah, and
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I hope to hopefully meet him come November. I didn't meet him last year,
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but you know, that was my first time at Lancer and uh,
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he offered me something. I don't know if it was a dinner or something,
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but yeah, Mike, just just look out for them. For the
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guy, the bloody guy. I can't run a scooter. He's gonna film
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me doing tricks and you know, yeah, I'll laugh my ass off.
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Oh we're gonna put that as like a short on the channel. All right,
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are you ready to get into the meat? I am sorry, let's
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dig into the meat. I guess Joe go ahead and start us off on.
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Uh. Well, let me let me lead into you a little bit,
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because I don't I don't think you have this part. You may I
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may be stepping on your toes, but go ahead. Okay. So we're
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talking about the pool of blood supposedly found in Dealey Plaza. Okay. Now,
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the first mention of this was actually in the Warrant Commission report. Okay,
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and I believe this is uh mister Belan talking to Malcolm Couch. Okay,
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yes, sir, am I stepping you are, but I'm pulling it
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up right now because stepping in a good way. Okay, All right,
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mister Couch says that little sidewalk there that runs between the depository property and the
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beginning of the parkway. Now he's talking about the esplanade there, right,
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and he says, uh, yeah, that's right, that's right. That's
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where I saw blood on the sidewalk. Belan says, all right, now
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you say you saw blood on the sidewalk with your couch. That's right.
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Where was that? This was the little walkway steps in walkway that leads up
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to the corner, the west corner, the southwest corner of the Book Depository
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building. Another little sidewalk, as I recall, turns west and forms that
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little parkway and archway right next to the Book Depository building. Did this appear
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to be freshly created blood. Yes, right. About how large was the
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spot of blood from eight to ten inches in diameter. Did people around there
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say how it happened to get there or not? He said, no,
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No one knew. People were watching it, that is, watching it carefully
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and walking and pointing to it. Just as I ran up, policemen ran
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around the corner, around the west corner and ran northward on the side of
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the building. And my first impression was that they had chased someone out of
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the building around that corner, or possibly they had wounded someone. All of
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those policemen had their pistols pulled, and people were pointing back around those shrubs
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in that west corner. You would think that there was a chase going on
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in that direction. Again, the reason I didn't follow is because aj had
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come up, and my first concern was to get back with the president,
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mister beland this pool of blood. About how far would it have been north
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of the curbing of Elm Street as Elm Street goes under the expressway. I'd
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say, well, from Elm Street you mean itself, Yes, I'd say
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about fifty to sixty feet, and about ten to fifteen feet from the corner
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of the Depository building. It would be somewhere along that park area there right.
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Was there anything else you noticed by this pool of blood? No,
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there were no objects on the ground. We looked for something. We thought
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there would be something else, but there was nothing. Uh huh. So
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that is Malcolm Couch's Warren commissioned testimony. Now, I know, over the
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years people have tried to pooh pooh this idea of this pool being a blood
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actually being a bloodstain. It has been blamed on somebody dropping a bottle of
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red soda pop. But yet, why is there no broken glass surrounding this?
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You know what I mean? Yep. And I don't know about you,
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Joe, but I can tell the difference between blood and soda pop,
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you know what I mean? And that was great yphrenicity, because I had
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exactly what you just read on two slides and I put it up as you
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were reading them. Yeah, I love it. So here's a picture of
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the alleged bloodstain, or at least one of them. We may be talking
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about two totally separate things here, Joe. We might be talking about a
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spilled soda somewhere, and we might be talking about an actual bloodstain. Somewhere,
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because this looks like it's down by the street. It doesn't look like
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it's up on the knoll, but it might be. It's very hard to
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tell from this film. Still, rob it looks like people are almost angling
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down and like the top of the picture, say, at the top right,
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it looks like there are almost a step down, and that's yeah,
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well, this this may be from the top of the grassy knoll looking out,
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because I did find one other picture, this one was supposedly somewhere around
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the bloodstained as well. And we all know where this part of it is,
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okay, because there's the there's the there's the fence, okay, and
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to the right of it is the the building that's on the grassy knoll.
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Yep. So this would be at the top of the steps. So if
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we're looking at it from the opposite direction, this might be facing down the
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steps, and this blood stain or whatever it is here at the top could
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be what we're talking about. But Joe, if you remember Malcolm Couch's testimony,
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he said that this was only ten or fifteen feet from the depository,
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which would put his blood stain, okay, on the opposite side, not
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this side. Not right there by the supruder pedestal, but further to the
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right, on the other side of the monument, closer to the depository.
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You know what I'm saying, Yeah, because we're gonna hear from somebody else
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who saw this blood as well here in a minute. And it wasn't just
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Malcolm Couch, but Malcolm Couch puts his pool of blood way closer to the
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school book depository than our other guy, Jerry Coley does. But I digress.
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I just wanted to pop those up there real quick. Okayke a look
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at the screen. Now this is a more recent shot, but yes,
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still the same area kind of on top of those steps. Yes, very
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good, very good picture. So pray continue Joe with the mysterious pool of
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Blood. Okay, but sweet Stickiness and daily Plaza please the Sweet Stickiness.
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I love that title, by the way, And you know, before I
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do that, I just wanted to address a common or two Yes, yes
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and thank you yes nice one off of sixty six. We love Mike.
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I messaged with him a few times a week, and we are both mourning
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our Rangers and Dallas Stars. Rob We're eliminated both. I said it would
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be good for the pod to have for Dallas Stars and the Rangers, and
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together they both got eliminated. And can you see that right there, Joe,
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Yeah, that's the I mean here in the world, just for you.
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You sent me a meme the next day and you were like, I
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rest in peace or and it was it was like somebody had passed away.
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It was like my deepest condolences and sincere sympathies for your loss with like flowers
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and glitter and ship you know in there. Yeah, but you know,
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the hockey playoffs are the hockey playoffs. But would have been good for the
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pod. Let me see what do you think? Hold on, what do
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you guys think of Black Gut mister Brownlee who made a bunch of Deally and
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Tip the Witness interviews twenty five years ago? Is that that researcher in Dallas?
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Well, it was he passed away a couple of years ago. But
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yeah, his his videos and his audio you can actually find on the from
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the Vault stream here on YouTube Shattered Friday one and Shattered Friday too. It
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has a lot of his interviews that he did over the years. And hey,
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you know he was friends with a lot of these Dallas cops. And
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I know he's really good friends with Bobby Hargas and did some great interviews with
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people. You know, I don't know his entire story or if he's totally
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legit. I mean, he's one of these other guys that wanted to sell
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his stuff and do the plaza. But I mean when I met him in
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twenty nineteen, he was totally nice, you know. Yeah, sure,
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so I have nothing bad to say about the man and anybody that does all
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that work on their own with the right intentions. Hey, I'm all for
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it, you know, sir, And umbrella man said Jerry Coley, who
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we will get into soon, included some audio. Sure got scared. He
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reported seeing pulls of blood on them. Yes, sir, mister bolamn.
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We will play some of his audio soon and some of his co workers' statements.
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Let's see what else before I go on here? Okay, a few
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things about yeah Paula. Yeah, both the Rangers and Stars got eliminated on
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Game six. Bad but hockey, what are you gonna do? And I
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think Bungled had a comment on mister Brownlee which I probably agree with. And
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all right, let's go and here we go back to kick it. So
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there was more than mister Jerry Cooley, who a lot of his testimony is
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based on, of course, Jack Ruby being at the Dallas Morning News the
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morning of November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, and of course he was
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commonly there on Fridays to place advertisements for the coming weekend and maybe the week
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I don't know how far they went, but there's a few people, one
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being John new Ninn not John NEWMNH which I accidentally read it first but then
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caught it new Yeah, and he was an advertising salesman for the Dallas Morning
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News. He testified to the Warrant Commission as well. Cooley, who we're
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gonna hear some audio from shortly, was an advertising employee from the Dallas Morning
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News who upon his re entry to the news room at about twelve forty five
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pm, that's about fifteen minutes after the shots, rob alerted the office,
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according to multiple people, that the president had been shot and Ruby was still,
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according to Newman, Coley and Don Campbell, still in the Dallas Morning
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News at that time, and actually used John Newman's new Men's phone phone shit
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to call his sister Eva to tell her about the shooting. And that made
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me think, Rob, so Ruby is at the Dallas Morning News. A
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lot of people will know that, right, who are familiar with jack for
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Ruby and his movements allegedly, right, I mean, was he just being
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there to create an alias, because according to a lot of people, he
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was there every Friday morning to place ads, you know, according to multiple
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witnesses. So you know, he allegedly didn't know about the shooting until Coley
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came in at twelve forty five and then called Eva, And there was some
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reports he was crying. John Newman's weren't commissioned testimony actually pushed us back on
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that and said he wasn't crying, but maybe that was part of the he
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was so sad for the president, for Jackie, and you know, the
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the mainstream type of narrative. It's really interesting and I don't know my mind
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is in one hundred percent made up yet, Rob, Yeah, I mean,
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I know, you see these reports he was seen at various places that
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day. You know, there's that whole I'm here to watch the fireworks down
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on the corner. You know that that whole uh explosive document from the nineties.
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But again, who knows that these people were telling it the truth or
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where exactly he was at the time of the shooting or shortly after. Yep,
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and Umbrella Man said that Jerry coley interview with black Op Radio is one
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of the most sincere witness accounts I have ever heard an umbrella man, you
34:45
are a great segue person, because we are going to place some of that,
34:52
sir, And should we get right into it, Rob, Absolutely,
34:55
let's hear from Jerry Coley himself. We're not gonna listen to the whole thing.
35:00
It's like thirty five minutes long, but you can find your online.
35:04
Yeah, I have a couple of time stamps that I'm gonna we're gonna hit
35:07
the highlights. Yeah. If you cannot hear, Rob, because I'm gonna
35:12
share it and then enlarge it. Just speak and tell them Michael, okay,
35:17
okay, take one. Take one. Well, and here we see
35:47
various locations indicated that he has some first qualities, and we were interviewed before
35:53
and somehow they got to only half the story. So I'd love to hear
35:58
the whole thing. Okay, I'll recount it as best I can. That
36:02
was what like I was in the advertising department. I usually got there about
36:07
eight o'clock, and we had a little cafeteria and on Friday I would go
36:13
down and my cohort, who handles food and drug advertised with me, Don
36:19
Tempell, and it would meet for coffee. And on Fridays usually Jack Ruby
36:24
would come in to place his weekend advertising and he would join us for coffee.
36:32
And that Friday morning he did on November the twenty second, about eight
36:36
o'clock or so. When I got there, he was in the cafeteria with
36:40
Don Campbell. They were having coffee. I sat down with him, and
36:45
Jack was his usual self. He liked to talk about his strippers and how
36:50
tough he was, and he flashed his brass knuckles that he had in his
36:55
suit coat and ragged about toughness. And but he usually came in and he
37:01
placed his weekend advertising on Friday with our department for his strip joint there along
37:08
with another nightclub he owned. And he always paid in cash, and he
37:13
kept the money rolled up in his pocket, and he always bragged about the
37:19
money he had and about the gun he carried under the front seat of his
37:22
car. But that was a normal morning. And then I left the coffee
37:25
shop, I guess, and came on in to my office and left my
37:30
office about nine o'clock to go out and make my advertising calls. I came
37:36
back into the office probably sometime after eleven o'clock and Jack Ruby was still sitting
37:43
at John Newdham's desk, who sat directly behind me. John handled the downtown
37:47
advertising where his club was. About about eleven thirty or so, I got
37:54
Charlie Mulke, one of my advertising friends, and we went down under our
38:00
personnel office to withdraw some parking spaces they were doing that day, and then
38:05
walked three and a half blocks over to try to get a good spot on
38:10
the corner of Maine in Houston to watch the parade as it come by and
38:15
turn there. We couldn't get that spot on the corner of Maine and Elm.
38:22
It was already two crowded, so we moved down about halfway down Houston
38:25
Street from the corner of Maine between Maine and Elm front of the County jail
38:32
there, and they were just unloading a no parking sign set in a big
38:37
concrete bowl there. So all right, I always stop it there. But
38:46
that's a very interesting little clip from mister Jerry Cooley there and I want to
39:01
and I'm going to go ahead a little bit here, and I agree with
39:09
a lot of the comments. Like I said before, a pool of blood
39:13
looks way different than a spilt soda, whether it be big red or my
39:20
favorite as a little kid. And this is probably dating me, Joe,
39:23
it used to be a soda called Red Eye, and I used to look
39:28
forward to that after every swimming lesson at the pool that they had it in
39:31
a machine. That's the only place you can get it for a quarter,
39:36
it was, and it was so good. It was called red Eye,
39:37
and it was a red soda, ma'am. But yeah, I mean you
39:44
could tell me it just pools differently and has a different consistency. Yeah.
39:52
And do you know who came up with the red soda story, Rob,
39:58
someone we've talked about before, a reporter Ding Ding Ding the biggest papooor of
40:08
all time. Yep. And so mister Jerry Cooley when he went into work
40:21
on the twenty sixth was a Tuesday. Hugh Ainsworth was there in the office
40:30
and the Monday, I'm sorry and kind of usurped his story in a sense.
40:37
And on the twenty sixth there was a story written called Coolly at the
40:45
news and it had to do with Jerry Cooley and his I saw blood statement
40:57
and Jerry Cooley very upset at this. His wife, he said, was
41:04
threatened multiple times and he didn't come out with this statement until and I don't
41:10
know exactly. Maybe the chat can help me of the date of the black
41:15
op radio, but it was I think over fifteen years, if not like
41:19
much longer after he said he had stayed quiet for for ten years. So
41:25
you're talking like mid seventies at that point. Very very interesting, and we're
41:32
going to go to the next part of mister Cooley's interview, and here we
41:43
go. Jack Ruby jumped up in and ran back to our corner office.
41:58
Nick Jeffries at that time was our promotion director. He ran into his secretary
42:05
desk. There he could look out the window directly down at that assassination site,
42:12
and I remember him on the phone crying and talking. Well about that
42:17
time. I saw Jim Hood, who was our ad department photographer, and
42:25
I went up to him and I said, Jim, I think I've seen
42:28
some blood or something down there where all this stuff took place, and he
42:32
said, well, let me get my camera, will go back down there.
42:36
So he got his camera and we want rushed back down there. It
42:39
was probably one or a little after by then, and everyone was gathered up
42:45
around the book depository. Then we came up to this blood area, which
42:52
now was all crinkly. I had coagulated a little and he put his little
42:59
pinky on his right hand into dead and he stuck his tongue to it and
43:04
he said, well, that's blood, and he made a photo with his
43:08
reflex camera and we came on back to the news and of course, all
43:15
right, so you heard that, and him and fellow photographer Jim Hood went
43:25
back after So at twelve forty five, he rushes into the Dallas Morning News
43:32
and tells everyone that the president has been shot. Right, this is fifteen
43:37
minutes after the assassination, and Jack Ruby was allegedly still there, so that
43:45
is when he first heard about it. He was in John Newman's office.
43:51
He later made a telephone call to his sister Eva, and it's very interesting.
44:01
Yeah, now, Joe, just to supplement you a little bit,
44:04
I got a transcript of this video, and an important part that we left
44:09
out of the audio segment came before this a little bit. But it's the
44:14
actual location where Jerry Coley says that he saw this blood. So he says,
44:27
let's see. I crossed Houston Street between some parade cars over to that
44:34
reflecting pool, and I could see people running towards the grassy, knowing the
44:37
railway tracks, so I started down the esplanade, which part of it runs
44:42
parallel to the book depository, down towards the fence and down. When I
44:47
got nearly to the fence, a policeman in Brown we called them County Mountis
44:52
in Dallas at the time, stopped me and he had a shotgun, and
44:58
Charlie was behind me, and he said, where do you you guys think
45:00
you're going. We said, we're going back here where all these people are
45:04
running, which was back towards the fence in the parking lot and the area
45:07
on top of the grassy knoll. And he told us to get the hell
45:09
out of there, So Charlie and I so. Charlie, I guess,
45:14
left me at that point. I don't know where he went, but I
45:17
went ahead and started down the esplaine. I made a left, started down
45:21
towards besides the picket fence corner there and at the top of the steps to
45:24
go down the grassy knoll, and it was there that I saw people laying
45:30
all over the meeting and grass between there, and a couple of motorcycles laying
45:32
on their side. At the bottom of the hill, people and police running
45:37
up towards the picket fence. Towards the picket fence to the right of me.
45:42
I looked down at the top of the steps before you take the top
45:45
step, and it was a huge puddle that I thought was blood. So
45:50
I walked on down around it, down the steps and saw people in the
45:52
median between many and them laying in the grass, people crying. I looked
45:57
back and I could still see people haded all around the grind as you know,
46:00
in that area, and no one was going towards the book depository that
46:02
time. There was no one headed in that direction. And then he says
46:07
he ran back to the Dallas Morning News at that point. So I just
46:12
wanted to supplement you there a little bit and give people a better idea of
46:15
the location of Jerry Coley's puddle of blood. And it is very clearly over
46:22
towards the fence, not on the depository side of the esplanade. So Pray
46:30
continued Joseph. Now, I think I don't know if you just read this
46:34
part. It's only twenty seconds I have in my time since time stems.
46:37
Here on the steps there is an esplanade looking thing. It comes down the
46:44
hill to Elm Street and there's steps. It's almost it starts almost close to
46:52
that corner of the picket pins there just to the right of it. These
46:58
steps come down to the wall. Well, let me ask you this you
47:01
had did you have the feeling that that had something to do with the assassination,
47:06
that that might have been well, all right, and this is of
47:12
course a video by mcmilly and on YouTube, And I believe the initial interview
47:22
was of black Op Radio, so we got to give them credit for the
47:24
initial interview, of course. But I think that's what you just said.
47:29
But that was my last little time stamp of what mister Cooley said. Well,
47:36
towards the end of the interview, Joe, because you know, he
47:38
went back there with a guy in a camera, right, Jim Hood he
47:43
was a US. Yes, So what happened to the picture? Well,
47:47
I'll tell you. Uh, let's see what usually happens to things of this
47:58
nature, he says. So I made my morning run and I got back
48:06
probably about ten thirty that morning. At that time, as I sat down
48:10
to begin working on my ADS, two men came up in dark suits.
48:14
They kind of flashed a green eyed card and said, we're the FBI.
48:16
Are you coldly at the news that was printed in a story this morning?
48:21
So this is Saturday morning after the assassination. He says, well, I'm
48:27
Jerry Coley. He said, do you have coffee with Jack Ruby Friday morning?
48:30
Yes, sir, we want to talk to you in private. So
48:34
I said, well, wait just a minute. So I went to the
48:37
back of the room to our vice president's office and said, SI, I'm
48:40
scared. Would you verify who these people are? So my boss, Cy
48:44
Wagner came up and said, you sit down in my office and I'll go
48:47
up and talk to him. He went up and talked with these two men
48:50
and came back in a few minutes and said, Jerry, they're okay,
48:52
go ahead and talk to him. So they said where can we meet in
48:57
private? And I said, well, we got a conference room just up
48:59
here in front of the room. So they said, well, let's go
49:00
in there and talk. So I went in and one of them a taller
49:04
guy was doing all the questions. The other guy was making what look like
49:07
shorthand notes. I couldn't tell what he was doing. And he asked me
49:10
to talk about the morning and Jack Ruby, and I did, and about
49:15
when I was down in the parade area. I want to ask you a
49:16
question. And the guy taking notes said, wait a minute. We're not
49:20
here to answer your questions. We're here to ask him in a rough kind
49:24
of way. And I said, well, it's about some blood that I
49:27
saw there. And right away the man interviewing said, tell me about this
49:31
blood. So I told him what i'd seen and that one of my advertising
49:36
photographers I made a picture of it. He said, is he here now?
49:39
I said, yes, he sits just outside the door here. He
49:43
said, go get him, get his camera, his negatives and any positives
49:46
he's got, and you come back in here immediately. So I went up
49:50
to Jim's desk and I said, Jim, can you please come in here
49:52
with me and bring your camera in your negative? Did you print that piece
49:55
out? He said, I just printed it out, that photo of this
49:59
morning. He said, you know I don't have right away. You know
50:05
I don't have right way in that photographic lab. I don't know what that,
50:10
he said, but I just did this morning. And I said,
50:13
well, get it and come in here. So he bought the camera.
50:16
The negative of the positive was in a brown envelope, and the FBI man
50:20
went in and introduced himself. He had to sit down, and the FBI
50:23
who was doing the questioning, then took the negative and then he took the
50:27
envelope and opened it up and looked at the print. And that was the
50:30
first time I had seen the print. It was just the print of the
50:31
bloodstained there or the blood there at the top of the steps. And he
50:35
wanted to know if there ain't more prints made, and Jim said, no,
50:39
I've just been able to make that one this morning. So then they
50:44
turned and they had some sort of muffled conversations between themselves, and it seemed
50:47
like after an eternity. As they stood there, probably two or three minutes,
50:51
the big guy stood up and the other one did two and he put
50:52
everything in the bag, put him under his arm, and he said,
50:55
boys, this conversation never took place, if you know what we mean.
51:01
And they walked out the door and left, and Jim and I sat in
51:05
the conference room and said, what the hell's going on here? What have
51:07
you gotten me into? And I said, Jim, I don't know what's
51:09
going on. I just know that my wife's been threatened. And he said
51:13
what I said, yeah, And he said, well what are you saying?
51:15
I said, well, I'm not talking to anybody. Jim. He
51:17
said, you shut your mouth and I'm going to shut mine and let's not
51:21
talk about this blood business anymore. And I said I won't. Well we
51:25
didn't. It wasn't long after that. We two days after that, I
51:29
received a subpoena at the Jack Ruby's trial, and on a subpoena which I
51:32
still have, it's addressed to Colie hit the News, which I guess was
51:36
taken from the news story that ran in the two story edition only. So,
51:40
yeah, the FBI took old Jerry's then Jim Hood's photographs of this stuff.
51:50
And how convenient is that? Very sir? And if you look at
51:57
the screen, I have a slide in this is of February seventh, nineteen
52:01
sixty four, and the bottom corner of people who got subpoenas to Ruby's trial,
52:08
John Newman, Donald Campbell no relation to Doug Cambell, and Joey of
52:17
the Dallas News Advertising Department, one of those other synchronousy moments. Rob.
52:28
Yeah, So you know, I mean, what are the odds that this
52:32
random newsman who happened to know Jack Ruby is going to make up a story
52:39
about a Dallas County sheriff turning him back at the Grassy Knoll and then finding
52:47
this pool of blood that not only he saw, but I mean you can
52:52
see people all around. Yeah, mock him couch. Sure. Yeah.
52:59
Now I don't know if mac the couch is a pool of blood is the
53:00
same pool of blood, because he's talking about a totally different location. But
53:07
it's just, you know, it's just one of the things that makes you
53:09
say hmmm. And we've talked about the possibility that people impersonating Secret Service agents
53:17
were on the know and turning people back, people impersonating Secret Service agents they
53:28
were in front of the school Bok depository, who identified themselves as such or
53:35
who people thought they were. But as we know, there was no Secret
53:39
Service on the ground in Daly Plaza period. They were all in the motorcade.
53:47
There wasn't a Secret Service person on the scene until they came back after
53:52
going to Parkland, which was probably a good hour after the shooting, So
54:00
you have to explain away all these weird quinki dinks, you know, and
54:07
if you got and just because we have a pool of blood on the ground,
54:09
folks, does not mean that somebody was killed. Although you know,
54:16
it would indicate that a body dropped there and bled out for sure, But
54:24
what happened to the body? You know, if somebody got hit and they
54:30
were just dripping, they were just leaking, I don't think it would make
54:34
an eight to ten inch pool, you know what I mean, Joe.
54:38
Yeah, and you have listen everyone running up to the knoll right after the
54:43
shots. You would have to say someone dropped or someone was wounded and they
54:50
walked away. It would have to be extremely quickly for a ton of witnesses
54:57
not to say. And there's a few a couple of witnesses that, let's
55:00
say, talk about the pool of blood. But yeah, you'd think a
55:06
lot more people would see that if you're talking about those steps we talked,
55:09
we showed it earlier. I don't know if it would get by We have
55:15
a lot of witnesses. Yeah, there was a lot of witnesses to a
55:19
lot of things, and a lot of people did rush up that no,
55:22
fairly quickly after everything went down the shots rang out, you know, was
55:29
their time before everybody got up there. I don't think so. It would
55:37
be really hard. You know, some poor bastard could have been standing there
55:43
and then but then, you know, I know a lot of people don't
55:47
believe the Gordon Arnold story. But if he was there, he was standing
55:52
basically at the corner or a little to the left alongside the fence line on
55:58
the grassy No, And if somebody had got dropped there, he likely would
56:02
have seen it. I mean, this is almost happening, right besides the
56:06
pruder as well. And he was military too at the time, right,
56:09
Yeah, and he went to Alaska after but I think he said he ducked,
56:15
right, and I think it was menicalled Kennedy. And I'm not saying
56:20
like that's the most Yeah, a lot of people don't believe his story.
56:23
The guy seems sincere. He's got no reason to lie. He never wrote
56:27
a book, he never tried to profit off anything. He cheered up during
56:31
The Men Who Cook Kennedy when they showed him, Yeah, an under examination,
56:36
I believe his you know, like an image of him was found in
56:38
like the Mormon photograph, you know. Yeah, so, but Rob,
56:44
we have a we have a supertot here for mister Red Phillips. Oh,
56:50
it's working in a hot kitchen right now. I wish I was home watching
56:53
TLG. Just dropping by to pay my debt to you boys, your boys,
56:59
thank you for your shows. Well you don't always anything, sir.
57:02
We are happy. Yeah, I was sure I was in a hot kitchen
57:06
right now, eating so some hot sauce. Yeah, that's right. It's
57:13
a cheap plug. So there was also to go along with this pools of
57:20
blood business. Joe reports, okay, that a Secret Service agent had been
57:28
shot and killed in Dealey Plaza. So Robert Wallace, Assistant Secretary of the
57:35
Treasury under the Secret Service, said the Service had received a report that a
57:38
Dallas policeman had been killed by the fusillade from an assassin. I believe this
57:45
report is correct. Wallace said it had been reported from Dallas that a policeman
57:50
and a Secret serviceman had been shot and killed some distance from the scene of
57:54
the attack on Kennedy. So what if somebody identifying themselves as a Secret Service
58:07
agent was shot in Dealey Plaza? Left the pool of blood and his buddies
58:15
that were with him on the grassy Knoel grabbed him quickly, threw him in
58:20
the trunk of a car and got the hell out of there quick because there
58:25
were allegedly some individuals who had or claimed to have Secret Service identification on them
58:35
in Deally Plaza on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. And I'm not
58:39
talking about Chauncey Hope, folks. Okay, if you go and read I
58:50
believe it's the first first edition of Larry Hancock's book, someone would have talked.
58:54
There's an interview excerpt in there from or what is a book called Joe?
59:02
Yes this one? Yes, an interview with Roy Hargraves, who claimed
59:08
to be Indialy Plaza November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. And he also
59:12
claimed to have Secret Service identification. Yes, sir, he's also a prime
59:20
suspect for the Umbrella Man figure. Although you know if he was, if
59:27
he was Umbrella Man, he was not up on the knoll impersonating a Secret
59:31
Service agent, right obviously, But that's not to say that some of his
59:36
cohorts couldn't have been up there as well, shooting or spotting and may have
59:42
gotten clipped in the crossfire. Who knows. It's just one of those wild,
59:49
wacky stories. Yeah. And there's an interesting thread on the ED forum
59:55
Rob that was made this week by mister Bill Simpicch that asked if a dark
1:00:01
complexion man and umbrella man were Santiago and hard Graves. And for this I
1:00:08
would probably point you towards the Dallas Action podcast. Doug has done a lot
1:00:15
of great work on this, including some of the immigration reports where he was
1:00:22
in November early in November in Dallas meeting with General Walker. Rob. And
1:00:32
I'm very almost one hundred percent confident on Santiago, But in terms of hard
1:00:39
Graves, it could be like Jerry Buchanan and the other guy Seymour, William
1:00:45
Seymour, Right, They're all possibilities, but I think I think it's almost
1:00:52
certainly a member of inter pen And what that thread talked about in the ED
1:00:59
forum, if you can confirm it's Santiagra and heart Raps or another person inter
1:01:04
Pennant, then you are really kind of narrowing it down to who some of
1:01:09
the teams could have been. Right, Yeah, for sure, sure,
1:01:15
a huge yeah, a huge thing. But it's you know, photo evidence.
1:01:21
You can ever get anyone to agree on it. But it's big,
1:01:30
big news if it was for sure. Yeah, So I came across.
1:01:35
It's very hard to find things about secret Service agents and dearly Plasta if you
1:01:39
just google it. But I did manage to find something about this whole did
1:01:45
secret Service agent story and how it got started and why somebody said that,
1:01:52
you know what I mean. So I found an article from the Deep Politics
1:01:58
Quarterly from nineteen ninety seven, written by Mark Crouch, and its story called
1:02:06
Jim Fox and this and the dead Secret Service Agent story. So he goes,
1:02:13
he goes down. He tells him working at some radio station, and
1:02:21
uh, in early eighty one, his own career caught up to detritch when
1:02:27
he became general manager of WCTR in Chestertown, Maryland. And for three months,
1:02:36
this old fellow ran a small country store across the road from this radio
1:02:42
station, and he would go over there and get coffee. And for three
1:02:45
months he simply knew the old fellow is mister Fox. But by late March
1:02:50
I would learn that this that he was James K. Fox, United States
1:02:53
Secret Service retired. He would he would show and eventually share with me at
1:03:00
of black and white autopsy photographs of John Kennedy taken at the Bethesden Naval Hospital
1:03:06
on the night of November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. And these are
1:03:09
the famous Fox set of autopsy photographs. Okay, Now, during the summer
1:03:15
of eighty one, he introduced Jim Fox to a man by the name of
1:03:20
David Lifton, who would go on to write Best Evidence and incorporate a lot
1:03:24
of Fox's pictures in his book. Okay, now, you know, they
1:03:37
would go round and round, right, and they would talk a lot,
1:03:44
you know, and eventually, you know, he wasn't learning anything new from
1:03:47
this mister Fox guy. And one night, he says, as the conversation
1:03:52
continued, the narrative began to drift into the recitation of familiar, widely known
1:03:58
and publicized events. During a long pause, I looked directly into Fox's old,
1:04:01
tired eyes, and I told him tell me something I don't know.
1:04:09
He broke eye contact, took several breaths, and then murmured, we lost
1:04:15
a man that day, an obvious mask of confused and credul credulity say that
1:04:23
twenty times fast, and towarded my face as I waited for some explanation,
1:04:29
who alive on earth didn't know that they had lost their man the president that
1:04:31
day? Sinsing my dumbfounded this, Fox repeated his statement, which I heard
1:04:38
correctly on the second, telling we lost a man that day. I didn't
1:04:44
know a lot at that time, but I didn't know that Oswald had only
1:04:46
been accused of committing two murders in one case of attempted murder on then Governor
1:04:50
John Connolly. Who what, when, where or how did it happen?
1:04:56
I shot back. Fox just shook his head. He either didn't have or
1:05:00
wouldn't reveal any additional information. His great fear throughout our relationship was that they're
1:05:05
going to hear I'm talking to you and take away my pension. And this
1:05:11
was no small consideration. He had purchased the story as a retirement investment,
1:05:15
but a dishonest employee had bankrupted the business while the old couple had been wintering
1:05:18
in Florida. His meager pension was being used to restock the store's depleted inventory
1:05:25
to pay off a mountain of bills left behind by that corrupt employee. When
1:05:29
I left the store that afternoon, there was no mistake that Jim Fox firmly
1:05:31
believed that, next to his possession of the autopsy pictures, the biggest secret
1:05:36
he possessed was knowledge that a Secret Service agent had been killed in Dallas on
1:05:41
November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. So you have that I did not
1:05:48
know that I knew about the uh, the Fox photographs of the autopsy.
1:05:54
But and of course you know, Fox went on to talk with the Lifting.
1:06:00
Jim Fox died in eighty seven. Lifting published the Fox pictures in the
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nineteen eighty eight reprint of Best Evidence. Let's See. In late eighty seven,
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I had moved from Chestertown to Newcastle, Delaware. My personal business records
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and files from Chestertown had been stored and forgotten in a leaky basement of my
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new home. I happened upon them while looking for Christmas decorations in December of
1:06:29
nineteen ninety. Among them was my journal of conversations with Fox. I spent
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the afternoon porting over the water damage pages. The dead Secret Service agent Soccer
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began to take on a new meaning after ten years of private research. At
1:06:45
the urging of Harrison Livingston, I began to try to answer the question of
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whether Jim Fox really hadn't earned something the rest of us didn't. I located
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some old contacts in the Associated Press who confirmed that the story had originated not
1:06:58
from Dallas but from Washington. Its precise source and origin, however, remained
1:07:04
shrouded in mystery. Since the teletype copy contained either byline or other attribution,
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it would have had to come from an AP employee in Washington. If there
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was one lesson I'd learned as a string for the AP wire, it was
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get it first if you can, but get it right first. One AP
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veteran informed me that the Wire Service maintained a direct link machine at the White
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House, whereby stories could be typed directly into the national network. This raised
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the real possibility that both Fox and the AP obtained the story from the same
1:07:39
source at the same time. The Dead Guy Stories I'd called it had a
1:07:43
curious life. It broke at almost the same time as Air Force one's wheels
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lifted from the runway at love Field just before four o'clock Eastern time. The
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story, like the seven oh seven carrying Kennedy's body, simply floated in the
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air until six p m. It seems the story died more from an absence
1:08:02
of confirmation than an overt denial. Constantly unfolding events such as Johnson swearing in
1:08:10
his remarks at Andrews Air Force Base and the poignant removal of the coffin from
1:08:14
the plane and Oswald's arrest kept the dead guy's story on the back burner.
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Jim Fox was no James Bond. He was more or less a highly trusted
1:08:23
radar O'Reilly and the Protective Research Bureau of the Secret Service. In retrospect,
1:08:28
it seemed like the Foxes belief that they had quote lost a man that day
1:08:31
was probably drawn from something which occurred that afternoon as he manned the phones in
1:08:35
the White House. The possibility that Fox participated in organizing or dispatching a team
1:08:42
of agents to secretly escort a body returning from Dallas seems plausible. In January
1:08:47
of ninety one, I was drafted by my rotary club to be the impromptu
1:08:50
guest speaker when the scheduled guests failed to appear. The president of the club
1:08:56
was a close friend as well as a physician who had assisted me with some
1:09:00
analysis of the autopsy pictures. I asked him what I should talk about.
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He said, well, tell him about the JFK stuff. So he goes
1:09:10
on and tells them all the stuff about air Force one, and basically he
1:09:17
says, I began to ponder the obvious question, was there a dead Secret
1:09:20
Service agent involved in their sighting or was the whole thing a cover story to
1:09:26
facilitate a secret detour of Kennedy's body. Lifton's research seemed to support the belief
1:09:32
that if Kennedy's body left the Dallas casket while en route from Parkland to Bethesda,
1:09:36
it had to happen aboard air Force one during Johnson's swearing in. But
1:09:43
getting the body into the forward baggage compartment of the seven h seven postal problem.
1:09:47
It would either have to travel there outside the plane, where it would
1:09:50
have been seen by witnesses love Field, or it arrived there via a route
1:09:55
that stayed within the plane. Lifton suggested to me that it was the latter.
1:10:00
In nineteen ninety two, while doing a story of Bony's development of the
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V twenty two Osprey craft, I met a senior design engineer and he said,
1:10:09
there's no secret trap doors in the back. As for the idea that
1:10:12
the floorboards of the jet were pulled up during the removal of scats to accommodate
1:10:16
the cask, and he simply laughed, Oh, sure you could do that,
1:10:19
given it enough time and tools, but you would make one hell of
1:10:21
a racket doing it. And you would better, will you damn well better
1:10:27
know what you're doing, because you could easily compromise the structural integrity of the
1:10:30
rear of the plane. If it was a body that my fellow rotarian had
1:10:39
witnessed being spirited away from Andrews and it wasn't Kennedy's, then Fox's recollections take
1:10:45
on new weight. Now we've all heard this whole story with lifting, and
1:10:48
I think Doug Horn believes it too. And we hear all these things about
1:10:54
multiple caskets arriving at Bethesda Naval Hospital. They all can't have his body in
1:10:59
it. Why do they have two? One empty? One knot? I
1:11:06
don't know. I mean, I interviewed dated Dennis David on this show way
1:11:11
back in the day about it, and he was there that day and he
1:11:14
had some interesting observations about the whole But there's the arrival of the body thing,
1:11:21
and him and Doug Horn were big friends, and Horne was a big
1:11:26
believer in him and you know there was there was always something that says that,
1:11:33
you know, the plane somehow the body got off the plane onto a
1:11:39
helicopter and went to Andrew's Air Force Base. I don't know, but that's
1:11:43
the basic gist of it. So if, if, if, and that's
1:11:47
a big if, you know that this Secret Service agent had been shot and
1:11:54
killed in Dallas and they kept it hush hush. This would definitely explain two
1:12:00
coffins, two bodies, and two separate locations, two arrivals at Bethesda,
1:12:06
which is interesting. The big question is why would they cover it up because
1:12:15
it definitely proves that there was more than one shooter. Okay, if they
1:12:21
have another bullet and a dead Secret Service ation, he wasn't supposed to be
1:12:27
there, you know what I mean? Or what if during the murdercade one
1:12:36
of the Secret Service ations in the follow up car got shot and when they
1:12:41
got to Parkland he got in there and succumbed to his injuries, and they
1:12:45
secreted them away and didn't want to say anything because now you have to explain
1:12:47
an extra shell or an extra bullet with no shell. But it still doesn't
1:12:56
explain the pools of blood and dealy Plaza up on either seat this out of
1:13:00
the esplanade. So who the hell knows what's going on, folks, I
1:13:08
don't know. I don't have a clue. I does work here. What
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do you think, Joe? I agree that, Like I was thinking,
1:13:16
like maybe the possible shooting of Secret Service agent had to do with the pool
1:13:23
of blood. You're talking about right in the middle of the knoll with at
1:13:30
least a few dozens of witnesses. You can't get away with that, even
1:13:35
with Mitch Warbel's silencer, you can't. No, And there's a big difference
1:13:42
between a pistol bullet and a rifle bullet. Yeah. So, but there
1:13:50
were multiple people like Couch and Cooley that did co Yeah, that said they
1:13:59
saw blood. So and these were, you know, reporters that seemingly had
1:14:05
no skin in the game. But you know, I don't think they even
1:14:11
knew each other either. You were talking about w FAA photographer and a Dallas
1:14:17
Morning News photographer and the other person photographer that allegedly took the picture of the
1:14:30
blood. His name was Jim Hood. That was what Jerry Cooley went back
1:14:35
out to the scene and allegedly Jim Hood put his finger in the pool of
1:14:42
blood and then put it. Yeah, he tasted it, and he goes,
1:14:47
that's blood, definitely preades yes, And I thought the same thing.
1:14:56
I was like, oh, that's probably definite nineteen sixty three. Yeah,
1:15:01
but Tiny Dancer has a good point about all the Army intelligence officers in and
1:15:05
around Daily Plaza as well that day, bad operators in and around Daily Plaza
1:15:11
that day. Yeah, you know, witnesses saw all kinds of stuff that
1:15:15
day for sure. And uh yeah, let's catch up on a couple of
1:15:21
comments. Here, you got it, You're on it. Here's one.
1:15:39
This would be the divisive from No True Flags. You can go check his
1:15:43
channel out here on YouTube as well. I know couch slide is a diversion.
1:15:47
Coldly saw Tippet's blood. Tenth Street was an act. So are we
1:15:51
saying that Tippet was shot on the know and then his body taken to Tenth
1:15:56
Street. That's an interesting theory. Supports the whole badge man thing and all
1:16:03
that, right, yosef yes, sir. The dark complected man another one
1:16:14
last one from No True Flags couldnot be identified by the photography. I agree
1:16:18
in a sense, like it can't be. I mean, well, you'll
1:16:21
never have one hundred percent. Yeah, you know, nobody will agree one
1:16:26
hundred percent. But everything that I've seen, go look at Fidel for Leip,
1:16:31
Fidel Santiago and the dark complected man, they're the biggest match that I've
1:16:35
ever seen. Yeah, it's it's very likely. In my opinion, I'd
1:16:42
say ninety plus percent. And that's just my opinion. But you know,
1:16:47
he was very close to Roy Hargraves, which would make him a plausible suspect
1:16:55
for Mbulaman. But I mean who knows, right, Yeah, and I
1:17:02
have a special treat here for everybody. Joe, I do are you ready
1:17:08
for this? Now? I saw a comment earlier and I can't remember.
1:17:12
I want to say it was from Tiny Dancer, but I'm not one hundred
1:17:15
percent sure who was asking why we can't see Ike Alcans taking the auction six
1:17:25
photograph in the Zapruder film. Now, I always thought that you could see
1:17:39
Alcans in the Zuppruder film. So let's take a look right now at the
1:17:46
undamaged Zuppruder film. This is one of those copied not a lot of people
1:17:53
have seen. So let's take a look see and see if we can spot
1:17:58
Ike Autions in the undamaged the Proto film. All right, I wish I
1:19:26
could have paused it, but I do believe after you know, the fatal
1:19:30
the fatal headshot there, and after Mary Mormon and Jean Hill, you do
1:19:36
see Ike Cautions. He's standing about four feet back from the curb in a
1:19:42
black suit, white shirt, dark tie, camera around his neck. Kind
1:19:46
of a balding dude, a little chubby like your boy. But uh,
1:19:55
yeah, I do believe that that was him. So I think he is
1:19:59
in the Prouder film. Have you ever seen a kid that copy Joe?
1:20:09
I have, I have recently, but I love to see love to see
1:20:15
it again. And hey, Rob, do you know? Uh? Speaking
1:20:23
of Kennedy's we had talked about this pre show this week. It was the
1:20:29
fifty sixth anniversary of Robert Kennedy being assassinated. Fifty six. Yeah, it's
1:20:41
crazy. Yeah, you know, people always say, oh, yeah,
1:20:45
why don't y'all ever look into the RFK assassination. What's it's even more of
1:20:49
a slam dunk, uh conspiracy than than this is. I mean that's why.
1:20:58
Yeah, Thane, Eugene Caesar, right, Thomas de Gucci. Look,
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no, further destroyed evidence. You know the sound of like thirteen shots
1:21:10
coming from you know, an eight shot revolver. I mean, m h,
1:21:15
it's a no brainer. There's not a lot of loan loan nutters in
1:21:18
the RFK assassination mil Yeah, if you will Quais song. Yeah, you
1:21:28
never know what the songs are gonna say. So well, thank you,
1:21:32
Roger, much appreciated, my friend, much appreciated. Yeah, that's our
1:21:39
music, guy. And speaking of our music, Joseph, it's about time
1:21:46
to Eric already. It's your favorite song man. I love it got worse
1:21:55
than six Bobbers m not that. Hopefully get in today. Off you all
1:22:04
and Colleen specially. Well that's it for this week, folks. I hope
1:22:14
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1:23:00
this. Hey, I have the notification set, so I have a thirty
1:23:04
minute more mind. Well, I'm glad I almost didn't make it tonight.
1:23:13
Uh well I didn't. We were just a little, a little, a
1:23:16
little hair late. But these audio issues kill me, man kill me.
1:23:23
But we figured it out, We made it work. All is well with
1:23:27
the world, all is great, all is good. And so it is
1:23:33
looped, Joe, I can't hear it, but it is looped. I
1:23:39
can't hear it looped. Well, hopefully the outro is playing. Hell,
1:23:45
I don't know. Okay, stay tuned because we won't be having a special
1:23:51
casting on either next week or the week after. And that is a very
1:23:57
young fellow who is great at photography and jfkas alformation a good friend of the
1:24:03
show. And we'll leave it well, you know, tease a little bit,
1:24:11
but you can probably figure it out. And thank you all you guys
1:24:16
in the chat for hanging with us. Another great show. We hope you
1:24:20
dug it. I think you did. We've had a pretty consistent close to
1:24:26
forty bodies in here all show, so thank you very much. Yeah,
1:24:30
we love hanging with you. Thank you. I can't think it's a better
1:24:33
place i'd brother, don't forget you. Check out Mike's channel Alpha sixty six
1:24:39
the links in the description give him a follow. He's got some Dallas JFK
1:24:43
related content, so definitely check him out. And once again, thanks Mike
1:24:47
for that. Thank you Roger I mean Lee Henry Oswald for the album.
1:24:55
And uh, we'll see you guys next week, same time. Save Bat,
1:25:04
Peace, Deuces, peace out, halleluias. What mm hmmmm mmmmmm