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9-15-26 Hour 1 - Broncos EMBARRASSED by Chiefs on MNF/A Broncos Autopsy/Drew Brees to the Broncos? · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher, Lombardi, and Kane On Demand.
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  Speaker 2: So if you do lose tonight, you put yourself down
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  Speaker 2: a game against the team that you're going to be
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  Speaker 2: battling for for the top spot inside the division. That
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  Speaker 2: being said, even if they should lose the football game,
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  Speaker 2: talking about the Broncos, I'm not going to freak at all.
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  Speaker 2: How they lose plays a big part in that. Again,
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  Speaker 2: if they get blasted 34-10, I'm going to be like,
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  Speaker 2: what the heck did I just watch? What the heck
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  Speaker 2: just happened? I will be saying that.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: I think the players did not make it easy on
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  Speaker 3: him today. Pretty pitiful, actually. He was, to me in
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  Speaker 3: the headset, He treated it like, you know, he was
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  Speaker 3: a pro with it. He was like, hey, next play,
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  Speaker 3: here we go, you got this. He shot it with conviction.
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  Speaker 3: I thought he really, I mean, we called exactly what
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  Speaker 3: we prepared for and what we wanted to get to,
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  Speaker 3: and we just didn't execute, and then we were behind.
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  Speaker 3: And just literally, I don't think we did a whole
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  Speaker 3: lot of good consistently enough to win the game at all.
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  Speaker 2: Well. What the heck just happened?
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Jeez Louise.
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  Speaker 1: What was that? What did I watch last night? Mama mia,
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  Speaker 1: papa pia. Here's what's funny.
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  Speaker 4: I was so ready today, win or lose, to jump
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  Speaker 4: on this mic with my friends. And talk about specifics,
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  Speaker 4: get to the nitty gritty, like what's different about this offense?
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  Speaker 4: Was the rhythm different? Was the way that they use
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  Speaker 4: certain guys in certain packages different? All these different specific details.
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  Speaker 4: And instead, I can't do that to start the show.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I have to talk about? The most
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  Speaker 4: basic football thing.
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  Speaker 1: Ever, tackling. Blocking and tackling. It comes down to blocking
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  Speaker 1: and tackling. Walking and tackling.
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  Speaker 4: Can I give you guys some numbers just out of
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  Speaker 4: the gates to truly illustrate? And I've always said this,
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  Speaker 4: the worst thing as a football fan that you can
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  Speaker 4: experience is watching your team get worked like that on
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  Speaker 4: the ground and miss tackles. I equate it to, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know what this feeling's like, but I would imagine
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  Speaker 4: if your spouse is a UFC fighter in the octagon
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  Speaker 4: and just getting pounded and you're just sitting there watching
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  Speaker 4: it happen, just being like, oh my God, somebody stop this.
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  Speaker 4: The missed tackles last night, just for statistical context, 28
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  Speaker 4: missed tackles last night, which I don't know what the
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  Speaker 4: average missed tackles are for a team in a game.
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  Speaker 4: It feels like that should take four or five games
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  Speaker 4: to get to that number. The 28 missed tackles resulted
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  Speaker 4: in 247 extra yards for the Chiefs. It's the most allowed...
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  Speaker 4: by any defense since at least 2018. The mistackle rate
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  Speaker 4: was 29.8%. And if you want context on that, the
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  Speaker 4: Broncos three years ago had a game in which they
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  Speaker 4: had 25% mistackles. They gave up 70. And I think
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  Speaker 4: it's a miracle in doing that they only lost by
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  Speaker 4: 21 points. Because the other thing, guys... The Chiefs, all
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  Speaker 4: credit to them. They didn't look great. Kenneth Walker was good.
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  Speaker 4: You couldn't tackle. That was it.
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  Speaker 1: Mahomes was not good. Your reaction as a Bronco fan
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  Speaker 1: to this loss this morning will only be as dramatic
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  Speaker 1: or as fundamental as your expectation going in. And if
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  Speaker 1: you followed my guidance on this, as I told you
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  Speaker 1: all week, I said this game worries me. I was
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  Speaker 1: worried about the game. I told you how the Chiefs
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  Speaker 1: would win. I told you how they could win. I
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  Speaker 1: did not anticipate this kind of game. I did not
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  Speaker 1: anticipate a blowout. But I am not the least bit
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  Speaker 1: surprised the Broncos lost the opener at Arrowhead Stadium. You
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  Speaker 1: guys are going to be? You guys obviously sound like
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  Speaker 1: you are.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on. I was not. Vic, I can't allow you
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  Speaker 4: to play the I told you so game.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you can do what you want. I mean, everybody
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  Speaker 1: dogged me all week when I said watch out for
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  Speaker 1: this game. For one reason.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: I said the Broncos could lose this game.
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  Speaker 2: They could.
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  Speaker 4: Kansas City's a good team. They're at home.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but not like this.
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  Speaker 4: If you would have told me, if you said, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I think might happen? I think the
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  Speaker 4: defense might totally forget the fundamental of tackling.
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  Speaker 2: I agree.
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  Speaker 1: That's a different thing. But what's happening here, and this
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  Speaker 1: is what makes me laugh about people, is everybody assumes, oh,
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  Speaker 1: look at the Broncos roster. Oh, look at the Chiefs
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  Speaker 1: are hurt. They're missing this. It's still professional football. And
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  Speaker 1: everyone forgets to equate the other stuff that goes into it.
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  Speaker 1: The emotion of the game. The fact that it's the
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  Speaker 1: first game and anything can happen. Everybody forgets that stuff
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  Speaker 1: and just assumes that talent wins. Talent did not win.
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  Speaker 1: I still believe the Broncos are the more talented team.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that.
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  Speaker 2: In all my heart.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that they're the more talented team. And they
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  Speaker 1: got their asses kicked. Losing at Arrowhead should not be shameful.
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  Speaker 1: The way they lost is.
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  Speaker 2: What did I say yesterday?
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  Speaker 1: You said, what are you talking about, Vic? You're an idiot.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way the Broncos lose. You and him and
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  Speaker 1: everybody else said that to me all week long.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't say there's no way the Broncos lose.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, no, man. You guys are not allowed to
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  Speaker 1: say stuff to me and then I conveniently forget it.
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  Speaker 4: Did I or did I not say the Broncos could
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  Speaker 4: lose this game? I don't think they will, but they
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  Speaker 4: could because the Chiefs are still good.
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  Speaker 1: You said to me last week, Vic, you're acting like
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  Speaker 1: the Lakers games all over again. You're so afraid of
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  Speaker 1: the history of the Chiefs.
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  Speaker 4: I will stand ten toes on that take.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The Chiefs didn't look great. The Broncos looked miserable. And
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  Speaker 1: I told you why the game is worrisome. But that's
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  Speaker 1: the difference here.
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  Speaker 4: The difference that I'm making is the Chiefs didn't– how
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  Speaker 4: do I explain this? They did go out and kick
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  Speaker 4: your butt. But they didn't kick your butt because the
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  Speaker 4: Chiefs were that much better than you.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 4: They kicked your butt because you couldn't do the fundamental
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  Speaker 4: thing of football, which is tackle somebody. When they have
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  Speaker 4: 390 total yards and 247 of them come because you
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  Speaker 4: can't make a tackle, that's not the Chiefs just going
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  Speaker 4: out and Mahomes throwing for 500 on you.
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  Speaker 1: That's not what that is.
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  Speaker 4: It is the shocking thing of a great defense looked miserable.
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  Speaker 1: Miserable. That's what's weird. Maybe, you know what the Broncos
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  Speaker 1: look like to me, Mark Mosher? They look like a
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  Speaker 1: team that started reading their own press clippings. They look
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  Speaker 1: like a team that was pretty fat and happy.
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  Speaker 2: We had a couple of those teams this weekend, including
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  Speaker 2: the Rams.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw a team last night. I saw a
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  Speaker 1: team last night. We're going to trot it out there.
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  Speaker 1: Our quarterback's healthy again. We have a high retention rate.
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  Speaker 1: We got guys everywhere that are ballers, and they look,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they're a shiny new toy. One catch, two yards?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 2: I know. What was that? Listen, one thing we did
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  Speaker 2: say yesterday, and we made it abundantly clear. You see,
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  Speaker 2: I guess street cred is what it's about. Look, man,
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  Speaker 2: we knew that Andy Reid was going to run the
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  Speaker 2: football right down their throat. We knew that they were
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  Speaker 2: going to punch him right in the mouth. I said that.
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  Speaker 2: I said, Reed has got one thing in mind, and
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  Speaker 2: that is punch you in the mouth with a M-O-W-F mouth.
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  Speaker 2: It's exactly what they did. I mean, for God's sake,
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  Speaker 2: Walker carried the ball for the first seven plays of
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  Speaker 2: the game, and you couldn't stop it. Now, again, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think Kenneth Walker III is any kind of. He's
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  Speaker 2: not the reincarnated Eric Dickerson. But he's a pretty good back.
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  Speaker 2: And then when you can't tackle and they punch you
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  Speaker 2: right in the mouth, you got a problem, man. And again,
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  Speaker 2: this is that defensive line situation, Brett. You see what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying? Hold on. Without JFM, without Cooper, it's tougher
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  Speaker 2: to seal. It's tougher to move the inside of that line.
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  Speaker 2: You get moved more. And all of that just showed
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  Speaker 2: up from the get-go last night. You're right. The Chiefs
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  Speaker 2: did not play great last night. But what they did
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  Speaker 2: do is they ran the football effectively.
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  Speaker 4: But here's what's weird. I feel like I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: be on an island today, but this is my honest
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  Speaker 4: thing of what I thought I was watching last night.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that that game changes with JFM. You
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  Speaker 4: were making point of contact at the line of scrimmage.
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  Speaker 1: But not making a tackle.
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  Speaker 4: And then after that, he explodes 10 more yards into
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  Speaker 4: the secondary. And so that's not like, oh, you're missing JFM.
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  Speaker 1: It's about just wrapping up when you make contact.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but you look at the Mahomes touchdown run. I mean, he...
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  Speaker 2: Sort of just pitter-pattered behind his offensive line. Well, you
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  Speaker 2: had two guys tackle each other. I know, but he
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  Speaker 2: sort of pitter-pattered and then took off. Kelsey held the
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  Speaker 2: goal line. Here's a perfect example, Moj.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was the Kenneth Walker receiving touchdown. It
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  Speaker 4: was either him or Rasheed Rice. I can't remember because
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  Speaker 4: both were missed tackles. But it was the play in
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  Speaker 4: which there was an initial hit. The throw was at
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  Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage. Guys, did Mahomes complete a pass
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  Speaker 4: more than 10 yards downfield last night?
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  Speaker 1: He's the only quarterback in the NFL not to complete
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  Speaker 1: a pass more than 10 yards.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't even know that, but I was just like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't remember a single one.
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  Speaker 5: The only one.
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  Speaker 1: So the touchdown.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was Kenneth Walker's one out of the backfield.
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  Speaker 4: The receiving touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: He's hit at the line of scrimmage. Missed.
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  Speaker 4: And Jonah Ellis, 10 yards away from the end zone
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  Speaker 4: and at a hash mark, decides to throw a shoulder.
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  Speaker 1: Into him instead of wrapping up. And I'm going... What
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  Speaker 1: are we doing here? Well, I'll tell you what we're doing.
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  Speaker 1: And this is where the Sean Payton, this is on
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  Speaker 1: Sean Payton. Sorry. He needs to reexamine how he runs
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  Speaker 1: training camp.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's funny. I said that the appetizer fake.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like that's a discussion for nine months from now,
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  Speaker 4: but it really.
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  Speaker 1: No, because it's, they get off to slow starts. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what they do in camp. We're at camp.
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  Speaker 1: We're watching. I'm not, I'm not suggesting that the Broncos
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  Speaker 1: start running Oklahoma drills. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: But.
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  Speaker 1: I'll ask you. You're watching camp. Tell me about tackling
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  Speaker 1: at camp.
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  Speaker 4: It's almost non-existent.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's not just tackling. It's hitting. There's virtually no contact.
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  Speaker 2: Virtually no contact.
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  Speaker 1: If there's a violent hit and you hear it automatically,
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  Speaker 1: it's surprising.
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  Speaker 2: It'll get your attention out there.
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  Speaker 1: That looked like a team to me that wasn't prepared
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  Speaker 1: to hit. Wasn't prepared to rap. Wasn't prepared for the
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  Speaker 1: physicality of the game. I wish I could be like
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  Speaker 1: the Rams. I wish I could blame this on a
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  Speaker 1: 14-hour flight.
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  Speaker 2: I wish I could blame it on them. Look, they're
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  Speaker 2: going to tackle much better next week. There's no doubt
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  Speaker 2: in my mind that they will, okay?
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  Speaker 1: How could you get worse?
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  Speaker 2: But the problem is you're facing a Jags team that
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  Speaker 2: stuck it to their opponent over the weekend. Look, man,
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  Speaker 2: it's just they're going to be better, but some things
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  Speaker 2: were just startling. The tackling lack of it was a
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  Speaker 2: startling thing for me. Okay?
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  Speaker 5: Startling.
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  Speaker 2: Riley Moss.
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  Speaker 1: God, he had Walker.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of the line. And he dives in
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  Speaker 2: and Walker just pivots right away from him and takes.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, guys. I mean, you can lose, but it's
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  Speaker 2: not supposed to look like that.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't even talked about the offensive side of the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to that. And the very worst game
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  Speaker 2: in a Broncos uniform for one number 10.
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  Speaker 1: Missed tackles.
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  Speaker 2: 28 of them.
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  Speaker 1: 28 missed tackles. Their percentage of tackles missed was among
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  Speaker 1: the highest all time.
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  Speaker 4: 29.8.
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  Speaker 1: All time. Almost a third of the tackles. And if
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  Speaker 1: you want to say, well, they weren't prepared, they weren't
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  Speaker 1: prepared because, I'm sorry, they're preseasoned. They didn't tackle enough.
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  Speaker 1: And they're one of the few teams, Brett, that did
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  Speaker 1: not conduct joint practices with other teams. What happens during
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  Speaker 1: joint practices usually?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, it gets more physical.
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  Speaker 1: It gets physical.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They were too soft.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and here's the thing. I'm looking through next-gen stats.
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  Speaker 4: Alex Singleton missed five tackles in that game.
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  Speaker 2: He also had like 15. How many did he have?
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  Speaker 4: He had 15.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That means 25% of the tackles he could have made,
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  Speaker 4: he didn't. Sternad missed four. That was over half the
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  Speaker 4: attempted tackles that he had. McMillan, Roach, Moss all had
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  Speaker 4: three missed tackles. You can go down the list. To
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  Speaker 4: Vic's point, it's something I've always wondered. I know the
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  Speaker 4: rules are different. I don't know exactly what the rules
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  Speaker 4: are for how much you can hit and how much
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  Speaker 4: fully padded stuff you can have and blah, blah, blah
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  Speaker 4: during camp. But it's one thing I've always felt. It's like,
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  Speaker 4: what is the essence of the sport? What happens on
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  Speaker 4: every single play? In football, a tackle, a tackle happens.
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  Speaker 4: And if you don't practice that, then you're going to
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  Speaker 4: be rusty out of the gates when that actually starts.
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  Speaker 4: It's the same thing to me. Like the only other
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  Speaker 4: thing I can think of that happens on every single
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  Speaker 4: play is a center quarterback exchange. Imagine not practicing that
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  Speaker 4: during camp.
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  Speaker 2: But Brett, I don't want to let them off the
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  Speaker 2: hook because there are other teams that go pitter patter
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  Speaker 2: throughout their training camps. They don't hit and tackle and
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  Speaker 2: go to the ground. And they're not getting their ass
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  Speaker 2: kicked to the tune of Walker going off for a
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  Speaker 2: buck 73.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like they forgot the fundamentals of the game.
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  Speaker 1: It was the weirdest thing. I'm watching Kenneth Walker. And listen,
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  Speaker 1: we've all seen Kenneth Walker. We watched him in the
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I don't remember him being that good.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's something about wearing number nine.
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  Speaker 1: Why is it?
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  Speaker 2: Why is it wearing number nine makes him look faster?
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  Speaker 2: He looks faster.
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  Speaker 4: He's a good back. He is. How about this? If
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  Speaker 4: Derrick Henry was doing that to the Broncos defense, maybe I'm.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit more like, okay, 6'4, 240 pounds, runs
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  Speaker 1: a 4-4-40, guy's just a freak of nature, tough to tackle, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Walker's a good back. He's good.
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  Speaker 4: He ain't that. Whatever that was last night, he said that. So,
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  Speaker 4: a lot more to get to. I do want to
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  Speaker 4: talk about the offense because... You were looking for changes,
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  Speaker 4: and it felt a lot like more of the same.
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  Speaker 4: So we'll get to that in just a couple of minutes.
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  Speaker 4: Stick around. You have one of the.
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  Speaker 2: More physical training camps. To come out and miss so
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  Speaker 2: many tackles like that, was that particularly difficult?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, look, we'll look at the technique. I understand the question. Again,
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  Speaker 7: I didn't like the time of possession. I didn't like
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  Speaker 7: how that game began and how it unfolded early.
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  Speaker 1: We'll look at all those things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everything. Look at everything, Kaner.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about early. Hey, let me start out, though.
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  Speaker 2: I tuned in immediately after the game, immediately, to what
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  Speaker 2: do you call your show? Mile High Post Game Live.
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  Speaker 4: I tuned in, too.
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  Speaker 2: You did? I did. LG was holding it down, and
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  Speaker 2: Coach and Vic were there to start, right? And then
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  Speaker 2: Coach froze, and so Vic and LG, Vic held it down.
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  Speaker 2: And then DMACC joined in. I'm going to tell you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a compliment, Vic. I thought
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  Speaker 2: your breakdown, all of you, on that program last night
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  Speaker 2: was as good as it gets for postgame analysis. That's
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  Speaker 2: the best damn show, best Broncos postgame show on radio
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  Speaker 2: or television in this frigging town. It was great. I agree.
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  Speaker 1: Very nice of you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you guys did a great, great job. But you
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  Speaker 2: didn't screw around. You didn't jerk around. You got right
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  Speaker 2: to the point of what the problems were in this game.
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  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: And time of possession is another one. I mean, again,
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  Speaker 2: you can't– when you look at last season, the time
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  Speaker 2: of possession, you don't win that. You don't win the
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  Speaker 2: turnover battle, yet you found a way to win. Last night,
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  Speaker 2: it bit you right in the ass.
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: Well, good to see LG back too. Here's the other thing.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: I want to talk about Bowe specifically in a moment because, Vic,
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: you said something to me in the break that I
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: think is interesting and I think probably true. We'll save
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: that for a second. The big thing about this, and
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: here's the thing, guys. If the Broncos lost 17-10, I
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: think I'd be a lot more understanding of this, right?
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: They are notorious slow starters, especially on offense, to begin seasons.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: It's been like that since Bo's been here. It's been
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: like that since Sean Payton's been here, even in the
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: year with Russell Wilson. If they lost because the offense
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: couldn't get going because they're trying to adjust to some
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: new things, I think I'd be a lot more understanding
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: about it. The defense is what really bothered me, but
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: the offense was no better, and I think this was
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: the problem. When you hand the play sheet over to
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: Davis Webb, you're doing, though, with a specific purpose. Whatever
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: Sean Payton felt like he was doing, whether it got stale,
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: whether he lost his fastball, whatever it is, what were
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: we expecting?
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Davis Webb to take over.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: And I think a few tenants to it would be,
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: number one, there'd be a rhythm to the offense. It
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: would look like they'd be in a flow. They had
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: to lay a game penalty still. How many times was
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: Bo getting to the line? He'd look at the play
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: clock and do the panic clap, like, snap it, snap it,
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: snap it. That was still a problem where the play
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: is getting in late?
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: That's the arrowhead thing, and that's what I warned you about.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: The loudness of the crowd is going to affect play calling.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: It's true, but I think another part of that is
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: they're still doing the sub a brand new package in
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: every other play.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Like, R.J.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Harvey has this good 6-7 yard run, and then in
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: comes J.K. Dobbins and three other guys, and I'm just going,
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: why not just keep somebody in a rhythm? Here's the
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: other thing. Run-pass ratio. Sean Payton's whole thing since he'd
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: been here, we've all been talking about, would you run
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: the football, commit to the run more? At the end
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: of the first half, it was 7-7 with a minute
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: 50 left in the first half before the Chiefs scored again.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: The run-pass ratio was 6-17. J.K. Dobbins had three first-half carries.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: That's not acceptable.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: That's not. Listen, we can get into the bones of this,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the offense, the play call-ins. But you just heard Sean
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Payton say something in that last soundbite. He said, I
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: didn't like the way the game started. So let's have
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: an autopsy on the game, starting with how it began.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Broncos get the ball first. What was their first play?
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Can I say something? I really missed death by inches. Oh,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: with Vick?
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Always bring it back.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I miss that, but I love your breakdowns because they
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: can do a good job. Okay, Butker kicks it 65
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: yards through the end zone.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: What's the first play from scrimmage? You guys remember?
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Bo Nix got sacked.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: First play was a pass.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he got sacked.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: So you're saying you want to get the run game going.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Your very first play from scrimmage is a pass play.
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not telling you that's what it's going to be
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: the entire night. but I think it sort of tells
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: you who you are, your very first play. Second play,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: now you've lost yards, right? You've lost three yards. You
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: got sacked. And now you run the ball to the
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: tune of two yards, which sets up the ever-popular third
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and 11 from your 24. You're already behind. You're already chasing.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: It's third and 11. And I don't know if there
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: was a miscommunication between Bo and Sutton or if the
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: DB just read it perfectly, which it looks like he did.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: If you look at the end zone shot behind Bo Nix, Vic,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know what he's throwing at. I don't know.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: You can call it miscommunication if you want to, but
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: he threw it right to him. I mean, if he
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: didn't see the rookie there, then I don't know what
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: to say.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: So three plays into the game, You give the ball
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: to Kansas City at the 34. And here's where I'm
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: going to argue with people. And I know tackling is
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: a fundamental reason why the Broncos lost. But I know
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: that this argument's coming. You give them the ball on
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the 34 and automatically people blame the defense. Why'd you
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: let Mahomes run? Why'd you let him score? I'm going
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: to say to you, you gave them the damn ball
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: three plays in on the 34. That's on your offense.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: That's 7-0 deficit to start the game. Don't blame the defense.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: You know what? I think we have to reroute our
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: thinking in Denver. Why is it that the defense always
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: has to rescue the offense here? Why is it that.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, now you got another example of it.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Why is it that out of the gates, because I
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: got a lot of this out of the gates last night.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, look at that defense. They let Mahomes
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: just walk in unencumbered.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Mahomes had the ball on the 34 to start the game.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Blame your offense. Blame your quarterback. Blame your play calling
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: to start the game.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: It was horrid.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: To your point, by the way, Vic, what did the
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Chiefs do when they got the football?
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: They ran the ball.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Four straight times.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Brett, Brett. Two-yard run, five-yard run, one-yard run, three-yard run. Incompletion.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Nine-yard pass, six-yard run, 12-yard run, three-yard run.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, they were.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Committed to it from the get-go, Vic. Guys, I think I...
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: What did I say? Student body right is what you're
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: going to see all friggin' night long.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I made the case yesterday. I said, you got a
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: left tackle that's a rookie, and he hasn't played there. Remember,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: we talked to Legge about it. You got a quarterback
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: coming off a major injury. What do you think they're
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: going to do?
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: What do you think they're going to do? And they
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: did with success. But did you think they're going to
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: run the run and shoot?
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Here's another example, by the way. This is later in
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: the game, second half. So you're down, you're going to halftime,
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: you're down seven. Chiefs get the kick, start the second half.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: And what goes down? It's Kenneth Walker breaking four tackles
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: on his way to a 60-yard touchdown. You're like, oh God,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: now you're down 21 to seven. Immediately after that, it's
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: a short 20-yard drive, you punt.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: But what happens?
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: First play of that next drive.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: You get a pick.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Mahomes drops back. Brandon Jones jumps it. And I don't
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: know if you guys thought the same thing I did
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: when he's running. Makes a couple of guys miss. Heading
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: towards the end zone. He's inside the 20. I'm like,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: please just score.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I was saying the same thing.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Please just score.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Just score now because I just don't have faith in
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: this offense right now. He's tackled at the four-yard line.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And you go backwards.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: And immediately Pat Bryant gets called for his second hold
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: of the game. And I go, well, that's it. Field goal.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Immediately, I was like, you're done. You're done. The two
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Pat Bryant holding calls, the first one was terrible. Terrible.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: The second one, okay, I could get. But the fact
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: that you can't punch it in from the four-yard line,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: in all intents and purposes, guys, the game is over there.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: You could have cut that back to seven, right back in,
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: momentum in your favor.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: You can't even punch it in from the four, and
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: instead you're going backwards?
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: And not only are you going backwards, did you see
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the looks on their faces?
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: The defeated look?
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Like, we can't do anything. The game was over right there.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: You're so right. The game was over right there. You know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I was so encouraged, though. So you throw a pick.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: But Holmes runs it in. You're down 7-0. Then you
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: go right down the field, seven plays and 68 yards,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: and you tie that mother up. And I'm thinking, that
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: is a professional rebound, a professional drive.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Totally agree. And at that point, I thought the Broncos
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: were going to win.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so did I. Because then on the very next possession,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs went three and out and punted the football
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: to end the quarter.
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Well, and then here's where the problem starts. This is
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: where the Chiefs defense comes in and rescues their offense's butt.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: They force you to punt. And then you exchange punts.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Back and forth, blah, blah.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: And then, and then. The 10-play, 80-yard drive. And just heartbreaking, man.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Heartbreaking.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Here's the third thing, though. As we were talking about
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: this offense and what you wanted to see that was different.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: There was supposed to be a rhythm to the offense.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: That did not exist last night. Number two, run-pass ratio
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: is supposed to be better. It was probably worse than
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: most Sean Payton called games. And number three, I think
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: the biggest thing that we talked about all offseason, you
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: cannot have the number of three and outs that they
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: did last year. Six drives in the first half, boys.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: Six.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Four of them, if you include the interception drive, the
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: first one of the game.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Called a three and out.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Four of them with three and outs.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Four.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: There's no rhythm. in four three and outs and a half.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: There's no rhythm to your offense. There's nothing. You can't
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: build on anything. It just, it renders you completely incompetent.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: And I just, I know everything's new, but that didn't
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: look new. And what's even more disappointing, I guess, is,
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: you know, your responsibility as a play caller is, is
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: to have, yes, a successful offense, but in doing so,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: you usually get the ball to playmakers. That's your job.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: I got to draw up how to get my best
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: guys involved in the game. You acquire Jalen Waddell in
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: the offseason, and he has a single catch for two yards.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: He had a big drop on a third down, too.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: So that's on him. But a single catch for two yards.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Cortland Sutton had two catches for 11 yards. Adam Troutman
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: had that. You know what I mean? Adam Troutman had
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: two for 10.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: You can't even find a way to get the ball
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: in your playmaker's hands?
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Well, it just goes to show you there were two
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: major acquisitions by each team in the offseason. Right? The
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Chiefs acquired Kenneth Walker.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Did they use him? They used the crap out of him.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: The Broncos acquired Jalen Waddell. How'd that work out?
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Not great.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: It was a non-factor. By the way, you were talking
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: about the pass-to-run ratio again. I guess I admired Kansas
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: City's goal. You know, they ran the ball 38 times total.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: A couple of those were Mahomes scrambles.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Mahomes is not, you know what? He's not the same
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: No, he's not.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: And you can see it.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: He only tried to throw it 27 times. Meanwhile, you
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: only rushed the ball 15 times all game long.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Moj, Moj, the Chiefs. 15 friggin' times. Hey, guys, stomach
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: this for a second. The Chiefs blew out the Broncos
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: with half of Mahomes.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Pretty much.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Would you acknowledge that?
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: That's the prop. You lost by 21 to a Chiefs
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: team where Mahomes was terrible.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: He didn't have the receivers to throw to. And when
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: he did, they were off the radar. They couldn't figure
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: things out. He didn't look right. That was half of Mahomes.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: They told you what they were going to do. They
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: told you they were going to run the ball down
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: your throats.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yep. And they did.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: That number is crazy, though, for the Broncos. You said
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: 15 carries in that game, Moj. That says Bo Nix
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: has three of them. Those are scrambles.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: You ran the ball 12 times. Let's talk about Bo.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Let's get to this right now.
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Say what you said during the break.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm a big fan of Bo, and I
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: think Bo's a capable quarterback. That was his worst game
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: as a Bronco. And when I say this, I know
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: people are going to point to other games where statistically.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: He was worse.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: You're three years in, okay? You have plenty of experience now.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: You've been in the moment. At some point, your team
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: is going to need you to rescue them. The defense
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: needs help. The defense can't win every game. Defense couldn't tackle.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Is it against the law to score 32 points? Is
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: that against the law? No, it's not. I'm just curious.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Is it?
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: No, it's not.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Bo Nix was terrible last night, and he'll tell you
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: that himself. He looked like he was holding the ball
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: with his feet. He couldn't hold on.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: To the ball.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: What's the thing? He couldn't hold on to the ball.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: No, he couldn't, Vic.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: When Aikman kept talking about humidity, I was like, oh, dude, please.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Did Mahomes bobble the ball?
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: No.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: That pass where Bo was– scrambling to his left toward
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the sideline, and he nearly fumbled it out of bounds.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: He did. He did fumble it. It's just that, who
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: was it, Snead had his feet out of bounds.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he picked it up.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: No, you see, his intention was to pass the ball forward.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: So it didn't count. I don't want to hear this today.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it because I heard Aikman
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: say during the broadcast, and I think it's a horrible excuse.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: It's third and short in one situation. The Broncos are
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: down 14 to seven. They called a pass play.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: No, they went empty backfield and called a pass play.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: They're moving the ball. They're moving the ball with a
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: chance to do something. Where is the Bo Nix quarterback draw?
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Where's the quarterback? Oh, you know, he's coming off an injury.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: The guy on the other side is coming off a
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: devastating knee injury. He ran the ball more times than
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Bo did.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Or.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Put Dobbins in the backfield and run the football.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: It's 30 inches. How about a draw up the gut
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: and just blow some guys off the line of scrimmage?
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: You know what? Bo looked scared at times.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did, Vic.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: He didn't look right.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. What he does so well, everything was
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: opposite last night. Number one, he uses his legs and
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: he runs for first downs and so on and so forth.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: That was not effective. Number two, he doesn't turn the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: football over. You realize, obviously, he threw a pick. He
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: lost a fumble, but he did fumble three times. Only
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: lost one of them, but that's two turnovers.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: That was the anti-Bowe.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: That he doesn't do. And number three, he was sacked
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: four times last night. And this guy never, ever gets sacked.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: You're so right. Everything that makes Bowe a great quarterback,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: we talk about, doesn't turn it over, doesn't get sacked.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: He did both of those things last night.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: How many times was he sacked all of last year?
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: I know the number.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: It's 22. 22 times all of last year. He's a
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: quarter of the way there right now. Yep.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Given the circumstances, given the history, given the experience he's had,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I thought that was his worst game as a Bronco.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: I think you're right. And you said it. He has
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: played worse games statistically.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: He's in year three. He's in year three. And that
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: was just brutal. Okay.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Back to the.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And that's where I go back to motion. And that's
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: where I go back to. I'm tired of everyone in
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: this town when the Broncos lose a game. Hitting immediately
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: on the defense. The defense carried this team last year.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: For many games. And it's carried them for a couple years.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Once in a while, this offense has to wake the
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: hell up and play.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Steven, if you could do me a favor, please. Could
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: you bring up the play where Nick scrambles and then
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: fumbles the ball to the sideline, but Snead was out
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: of bounds? You want to call it great coverage, whatever.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: When you have that much time, somebody needs to get
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: open to allow him to throw the football. And I
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: don't know what he was looking at downfield, but Brett,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: do you know how long it was from the time
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: he took the snap? to where he finally fumbled the
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: ball at the near sideline. Count the seconds on that.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: It had to be six seconds, probably. At least.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: So if you can bring it up now. I mean,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: if you can. I didn't mean to put you on
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the spot there. But I'd like to go and count
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: the seconds. And he also had plenty of room. I mean,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: there was nobody even rushing at him. By the time
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: he finally got to the sideline. Okay, let's go from
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: the start of the snap. All right, we'll call that
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: one and a half seconds already.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: So he rolls out to the right, reverses field, comes
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: back around.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Seven, eight, nine.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: And then drop the football.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: So nine seconds elapses. He's running all over the place. Finally,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Snead steps up into him and says, if you're going
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: to run over here, I'm going to come after you finally.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: That looks like a coverage sack right there.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: It is, but do something with the ball.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: What's he supposed to do? Throw it out of the
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: end zone. I don't know. Yeah, but he's trying to
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: make a play. I don't blame him for holding onto
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the ball there. I mean, he's trying to make a play.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: He just lost the ball.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: I don't blame him for anything until he drops the ball.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know what? That's not– just because Bo
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: dropped it there, clearly he was holding the ball at
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: his feet.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Plus he took a shot, too.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: But, you know, there's another example right there. There's another example.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: That situation, boy, Spags outclassed Davis Webb last night in
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: scheme and in situational football. He just did. He ran
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the right defense against the right offense so many times
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: last night. I'd have to take a look at the
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: All-22 there, see who's in the end zone. Because we
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: can't see who's running free, who's not.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Who's over here in the corner of the end zone, right?
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: We have no idea.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: But I mean, if it's a nine-second play.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: DBs can only cover for so long.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: To your point, you're like, why wouldn't some receiver be
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: open at that point or something?
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I thought two offensive players looked good last night. RJ Harvey,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I thought, ran well.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: I thought Harvey was fine.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: And I thought Evan Ingram made noise.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: I thought Evan Ingram, it might have been his best
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: game as a Bronco.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Most noticeable. After that, I dare you to find anybody
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: that played well.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: Well, we'll get to that in just a couple minutes.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Stick around. All right, so there's a lot that we
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: need to discuss from last night. Now, I thought about this, Vic,
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: because what's really weird is before this game starts, Adam
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: Schefter jumps on Monday Night Countdown and just drops this
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: story about the Broncos and Drew Brees maybe coming out
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: of retirement to play in the AFC Championship game last year.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: And you're like, wait, what? What did you say? I know.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: And there's... I think there's a bigger.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Discussion, I suppose, that we can have with this, but
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: I was wondering if today's the day for it, but
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: we got Adam Schifter coming on at 920, so it's
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: going to happen anyway.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: It's the perfect day. Asking Adam at 920, did he
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: get that information right before the game? Did he have
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: that information? Why then? And there's so many angles to
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: this story, by the way.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Here's what he said on Monday Night Countdown last night.
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: A couple days after that injury happened, the then-Broncos assistant
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: coaches Pete Carmichael and Joel Lombardi privately reached out to
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: Drew Brees to gauge his interest in coming in that week,
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: playing for the team, and potentially playing in the AFC
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: Championship game.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: Brees said he wanted to work out, see how he felt,
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: and when he felt.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: He worked out.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: His wrist was bothering him.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: Now, the interesting part about this was Sean Payton didn't
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: even know about this until the offseason. And when he
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: heard that Lombardi and Carmichael were talking to Breeze about
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: coming back... He thought they were talking about December 2021
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: when Jameis Winston was hurt and Trevor Simeon and Taysom
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: Hill were on the COVID list and the Saints had
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: to start Ian Book. He thought they were talking about
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: December 2021 when he tried to talk Breeze into coming
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: back to New Orleans then.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of craziness there, right? I mean, the
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: fact that... Let's start here. Startling. Let's start here. First
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: of all, and let's put the Let's put this puzzle together, okay?
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Carmichael and Joe Lombardi, two of Sean Payton's longtime advisors.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Trusted assistants, yeah. Where are they now?
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: They're gone.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Right after the season, they were one of the two
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: of the first people, bye-bye, gone. Sean Payton was asked
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: about this whole Drew Brees thing after the game last night.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Listen to his response.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Sean, there was reporting before the game about last year,
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: Drew Brees and all that.
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: Do you have a comment on that? No, I just
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: know that I was the odd man out. I never
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: heard anything about it, so it never came to anything.
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: I was only told about it later, so, yeah, I didn't.
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: I was just like you guys.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: All right, so the head coach, the man who pretty
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: much assigns every detail in the organization, a detail freak,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Did not know about this?
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: That seems impossible.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Now, it would make sense if he truly didn't know
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: about it and two of your guys just went off
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: the reservation without you to start recruiting different players to
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: come in.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Well, what I'm saying is I don't believe it either.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: But maybe that would be why they both got fired.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: It's like, what are you guys doing?
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe. So let's say he does the private workout and
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: he says, yeah, you know what? I think I can
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: do it. So then what? You say, hey, shoot. Yeah, Sean,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: got something to tell you. Yeah, Drew's on a plane
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: here right now. He's going to start on. I mean,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: that just seems bizarre.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Does something smell there?
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: It just seems weird.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Something seems bizarre. Something's weird there.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Well, when I heard this and heard Sean Payton's postgame,
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: I just brushed it off as, okay, so he's definitely
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: not telling the truth. The first place my brain went
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: was here. What the hell are you paying a backup
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: quarterback $ 10 million if you don't trust him enough to
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: start in an AFC championship game and you'd rather trust
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: somebody who's been retired for three years and not played football? No, no, no.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Drew Brees last threw a football in the fall and
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: early winter of 2020.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, sorry. Five years.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Let's call it five and a half because he only
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: played in 12 games that last year.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: So let me get this straight. You're going to bypass
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: your longtime backup, who is the highest paid quarterback on
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: your team, To bring in a 47-year-old man who hasn't
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: played a game in five years. And you're going to
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: entrust an AFC championship game on that guy. Now, it
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: didn't work out because that guy said he wasn't physically
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: ready to play. But it was going in that direction.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, man.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what I'm talking about. You have that little
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: faith in your backup. Then why aren't you finding a
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: different backup? If your option is, we're going to play
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: in the AFC championship game, and I would rather trust
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: somebody who hasn't thrown a football for five and a
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: half years than the guy who's been here for two?
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Brett, I think they are finding another backup as we speak.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I think that this whole Ellinger thing is the future.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: But that's neither here nor there.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: He was the inactive yesterday.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not true, Moshe. He was the inactive. For
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: right now. If they thought he was better, he'd be
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the backup.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: No, because there's no reason to cut Stiddy anyway at
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: this point.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: But they were about to bring in a guy that's
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: 47 years old.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: And Ellinger was on the roster then, too. He was
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: the backup that day. It makes no sense. It's neither
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: here nor there.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Look, the fact that this was entertained, allegedly without Sean
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Payton knowing to me, it's.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Just a bizarre occurrence. Why does Sean Payton have to
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: say that? for the exact discussion we're having.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: He can't look at Stidham in the face if he
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: knows that he tried to bring in a 48-year-old geriatric.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Quarterback to play for him.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Hey, man, 48 ain't geriatric, you jackpot.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, in football terms. But what I'm getting at,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: what I'm getting at, Cat was out of the bag.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Got out of the bag.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Guess who paid the price for Cat being out of
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the bag? Lombardi and Carmichael.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Those guys, that was all them.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: Anybody who knows Sean Payton, there is not a chair
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: that's moved in that building without his approval first, right?
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: And I think in part, God, here's what's funny.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Let me give you another one.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: You guys hear, you heard Sean Payton at halftime, right? Sean,
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: what do you want to see out of Bo Nix
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: in the second half?
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: Well, I think the first thing we have to do
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: is rush the ball a little bit more efficiently. That'll
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: take some pressure off him. Right now, you know, we've
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: been in kind of a pass mode. I think it's
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: the opposite for Kansas City. They've been able to run
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: the ball. I think that needs to switch a little
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: in this second half.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: How's it been not calling plays for you?
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Ask me in another half here. All right, we will. Thanks.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Thanks a lot.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: So he said, because now he's watching, right? He's not
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: calling the plays. He's watching the plays. He's assessing. So
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: even he said what we all say, watching from the couch.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Run the ball, right? Run the ball, right?
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: For three straight years, all of us were sitting on
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: the couch yelling at Sean Payton, run the ball, which.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Is really funny.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's a different perspective now that he's seeing it
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: instead of calling it.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: But here's part of the problem, too. When you don't
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: do it early... All right, Vic, when you don't do
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: it early and establish the run and then you get behind,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: then you can't run, right? Yeah. Remember that, what was it,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Bronx Tale? Now you just can't leave. Well, now you
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: just can't run because you're down two scores. You're down
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: two touchdowns. And now, especially early in the third quarter,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: if you wanted to come out in the third quarter,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: the second half running the football, now that's out the
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: crapper because you need points and you need to move
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: the ball down the field.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Not exactly, though. And the reason I brought up that
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: soundbite is because he said we got to run the ball.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: And he obviously told Davis Webb we got to run
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: the ball. So Kansas City gets the ball first to
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: start the second half. They score a touchdown.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: It's 21-7.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Now you're thinking, oh, my God. What do the Broncos
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: do when they get the ball back down 21-7? I'll
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: tell you exactly what they do. 17-yard run. J.K. Dobbins
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: to his left. That was his best run of the night.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: You guys remember that run?
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Sure do.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Bounced it to the left. It was awesome. He's like, okay,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: here we go. Very next play. Dobbins, four yards. First down.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Very next play. Dobbins, four yards. Okay. Very next play. Incompletion.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: Or penalty.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Delay of game.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: That was the third and two. A delay of game.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: So all that effort. All that investment to establish the run.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Let's get going. All washed away by a dumb penalty
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: in a key situation. That's what I'm getting at. You
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: can have all the investment you want in the run game,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: but all it takes is one mistake.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: But Vic, all you could muster was a field goal, okay?
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: And then you trade field goals. But now you're down.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: They didn't get a field goal.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: They had to punt it.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: No, I know, but I mean later in the third quarter.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: But now you're down. Here's the problem. Now you're down.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: But wait, the play after that. Do you know what
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: the play after that was?
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: After the penalty?
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: It was an incompletion and then another penalty.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: That was the waddle drop.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Right. And that was the first down.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: The easy first down.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: That was the first down.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: It was right there.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Right through his hands. Right there. Mistakes compounding mistakes.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: But then, Vic, you're still down 14 points with four
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: minutes to go in the third. Time is a ticking
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: away on you. Mm-hmm. And if you don't establish that
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: run early, brother, man, to think you can do it
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: later on when you're down two scores, it's tough.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: What's crazy is after that drive, after all that, right,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: after the mistakes, after the waddle drop, Kansas City gets
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: the ball back. What do they do? They give it
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: right back to you. Brandon Jones interception to the four-yard line.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: They give it right back. You're still in the game.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Then what happens?
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Take another penalty.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: And what does that penalty do?
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Uh, nuked any chance of them scoring a touchdown.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: And now you're playing from behind again. Instead of first
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: and goal from the four, it's first and goal from
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the 14. And now what? I mean, it's just, again,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: these ridiculous penalties that come up at the worst possible
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: time that ruin any hope of achieving your play sheet.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: You got a play sheet. You got here. Let's run
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: a pound the ball here. Boys are going to run it. Well,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: that didn't work. That's a hold.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Well, this is why when we come back, I want
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: to go back to something that I think is the
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: most important detail. And it's hard for me to explain
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: sometimes because I think people aren't willing to hear this,
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: but it matters. So we'll get to it in just
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: a second. This is the biggest Rapids match of the year.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Tomorrow night, Colorado faces St. Louis City SC in the U.S.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: Open Cup semifinals win, and they're headed to the final.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Coverage starts at 7 on Altitude Sports Radio 92.5. But
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: more audio when we return as well. We got Adam
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: Schefter that's going to join us at 9. this morning
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: so he'll give us an.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Update or I guess more.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Detail on the Drew Brees last year maybe coming out
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: of retirement and playing for the Broncos championship like it's
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: weird to say out loud I can't wrap my head
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: around that so we'll talk to him about that at
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: 9 20 but when we come back the basics what
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: happened last night what went wrong the basics next