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- 0:01Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
- 0:07season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts listen
- 0:15to it on radio train topic. Our President was born in Argentina, Dr
- 0:24Rabiero Mirey was the President hello. To all there is no stabilization plan,
- 0:41not good, but the delay to change. There' s a problem of
- 0:44currency arrears here. It is impossible to achieve the zero deficit in the twenty
- 0:49- four thousand. Ah well. It' s very little speck, it
- 0:53' s already a lot of equator, but you' re not liberal.
- 0:56There were taxes, how about not. But if I add one plus three
- 1:03hundred and sixty- five times and give me three sixty s I can'
- 1:04t hurt. If there' s no video and you didn' t invite
- 1:07me to Federo, you Fideo Cotuk. They want to know how the economy
- 1:11is going to grow, it' s going to go up like a diver
- 1:15' s fart, but there are no anchors. Well, because there'
- 1:15s no comprehensive plan, but you should set the path. This is not
- 1:21a liberal government because it did not release the drug. Not because today'
- 1:25s appreciation changed. There is appreciation to change, but freedom faces little.
- 1:37How about, my friends, very but very good afternoon that we are in
- 1:40prural construction closing the week special program of honor and a half duration, because
- 1:42yesterday the worker, we were not. I' ve already said hello to
- 1:47Juan That' s why I greet him again for that reason. This good
- 1:51and here we start with fresh fifteen degrees and with a morning also of the
- 1:53coldest. I think the year in a little while will be connecting our friend
- 1:57Gustavo to stop beatings are good. There was my len already one of more
- 2:00that is for the Moon part where he will present his book, than at
- 2:04the book fair. What the moon will be like for them to be yelled
- 2:07out for free who for the event. I don' t know, not
- 2:10this one, but good. Some say a thousand and it' s more
- 2:13for Luna than for the book fair. Infobada is now three o' clock
- 2:16in the afternoon, as I say, with fifteen fresh graditos, but with
- 2:20the sun returned the sun of several sp of Barría. Here the federal capital,
- 2:23marks that the free dollar remains. Although one of the news of the
- 2:25day is that the Central Bank lowered the cup again, I think the fifth
- 2:29time of the law administration is a good fact. The next fifty percent the
- 2:35fifth reduction of the estalunium this tabermela and the presidency Bloom thousand forty rises a
- 2:40little raised with liskea thousand one hundred five says to report at three in the
- 2:45afternoon in his Juan the quenalismo closes ranks, but it lacks four senators to
- 2:49block the law. It' s going to be in the Chamber. High
- 2:52here at that tip, with an intuition you' ll see what tells us
- 2:54now who' s waiting for us online that everything can probably fail, but
- 2:59probably in the Senate. But how changes that would return to Members and delay
- 3:04the May Pact, May 25, etcetera, etcetera. From mile and really
- 3:07the CAT that is called, the grouping of some transport entities announced that on
- 3:14Monday now, Assemblies, but not stoppages have foreseen me, except in collectives
- 3:17for all kinds of eight to eleven. Now they say that there will surely
- 3:22not be any annoyance, but I do not stop that five thousand entrances,
- 3:27twenty- five million pesos and hostility to the eye continues. The controversy between
- 3:30Millay and the ZINFOAE Book Fair is part of it. I estimate what the
- 3:34dollar reserve floor is to eliminate the stocks. I do not know that it
- 3:37has been delayed and with this it is possible to mortify the reactivation. That
- 3:39' s what we' re going to talk about for a while with the
- 3:42lecticornea field. But now it' s now and I' m going to
- 3:44say hello to Don Gustavo Ferrari Bolven Gus, my friend. Good afternoon,
- 3:47how you doing, how you' re bragging. Very good afternoon, I
- 3:51greet you from a corner of the Maya area of your luvia. Or well,
- 3:57or I' d tell you from the capital of Argentine immigration, because
- 4:02it' s impressive how many compatriots walk down the street, working, venturing
- 4:12into different activities. Here in yourlum you go down the street, you have
- 4:17walking stalls of choripanes, of bondeolas and empanadas cheese. You go to a
- 4:26bar or a coffee shop and you get a guy or an Argentine girl.
- 4:30They all tell you how you' re doing. And I came three months
- 4:35ago, four months ago to earn some pesos. Ask them one, well,
- 4:42what' s your immigration status? I' m illegal, so I
- 4:47mean it really is. That' s why I' m telling you,
- 4:50I don' t know if I' m in the corner of the Mayan
- 4:57area or I' m in a spa on the tip. The month of
- 4:58November, before the present Argentina I take advantage of you Uys. It'
- 5:01s interesting. I' m going to Mexico. I love something that can
- 5:03work well. I put in a local job, a little place. How
- 5:08can we say we can stay a visa c how is the issue basically for
- 5:12an Argentine who wants you to like yes historically and I will be part of
- 5:18water before and after the pandemic, usually even for all those not necessarily you
- 5:26go to Mexico, as you say, indeed, you have a chance to
- 5:30be as a tourist and this does not enable you to have any possibility of
- 5:36work, of course, if you get some changa. Since you already have
- 5:41a problem you as the possibility of being an illegal worker, including with the
- 5:46owner of the establishment who can be fined by the immigration authorities for hiring illegals
- 5:55aha then what usually your put it to say I boy and I arrange with
- 6:00a person to work. I don' t know in any city. He,
- 6:04as a boss, has to apply to the immigration authorities because it is
- 6:10called a work permit even forgiveness. That feature also enters for a football team
- 6:18that hires a player. For me, that work or a work permit where
- 6:26theoretically you that this activity that this worker does for the moment can not be
- 6:32carried out by any local, no national coll. That' s not the
- 6:39case. I mean, if you hire a last forward goalkeeper for a football
- 6:44team, the feature that that position really doesn' t have any player who
- 6:47can cover it. Then they give you a work permit. What' s
- 6:55going on there? That' s why I relate so much to the football
- 7:00system, because that happens every day. The good guy against it is also
- 7:03doing his medical study. Once all things happen. They usually send him to
- 7:12Guatemala or to a Vesíno country to stay there for a week in the storage
- 7:17room and at that time, once he already has all the aptitude exams and
- 7:23all the psychophysical tests, then they begin to ask the migration authorities. When
- 7:30they give him permission, they bring him back from the country of cinema and
- 7:36time and how many that I' m going to work at a bowl take
- 7:42me how long, as is the theme of the song of time are a
- 7:46contract of work and usually give you a first temporary work permit, where I
- 7:53mate you. If you have a work contract for one year, then they
- 7:57make you a work contract and give you stay and leave for another year.
- 8:03The moment you finish that they have to renew it. Already the second year
- 8:09of renewal you can ask for what is called permanent settlement. I' m
- 8:20even going to tell you about the experience with my husband, I mean,
- 8:24well, I' m on my own. Let' s just say I
- 8:28first arrived in the country in the 1960s accompanying my father Solanal on Read.
- 8:33I' ve had a residence since that time. So, I mean,
- 8:37I don' t have any problems. I' m the only thing that
- 8:41' s very curious and very far- fetched within my condition. I use
- 8:46my migration letter, where it tells me that I am immigrated, that is,
- 8:50I only have the same prerogatives as even with national less my political rights.
- 8:56I mean, I can' t vote gouty and curiously, look at
- 9:01what that letter of residence said to you at the time, or work in
- 9:09night centers or in bad death, that is, I couldn' t engage
- 9:13in prostitution, to say ok ok ok ok good, then good. In
- 9:18the case of my daughter, at my wife' s house, it'
- 9:22s when she' s settled, maybe they' ll stay a reasonable time
- 9:28too, but on my wife' s last trip two years ago, she
- 9:35came with a one- way ticket just because she thought she' d stay
- 9:39a little longer. That' s the guy from Cancun airport. She asks
- 9:41him and where he' s going to stay in my house how at home.
- 9:46Yes, yes, or I live in consumption my husband saw with his
- 9:50mind in our house here and why he enters as a tourist. Then,
- 9:54of course, you should get out by now. Well, when I go
- 10:00out, I pick up at the airport, beat it, see what happened
- 10:03to me. He practically tells me what a migration and you take out,
- 10:09as a wife, as a couple, with whatever, no and good,
- 10:13and then we start doing the paperwork of that And affection already without work,
- 10:18obviously, that without any work, no task there. Of course, that
- 10:20was like a sort of family reunification. Of course, of course, of
- 10:26course, but even though I tell you of almost fifty years of residence in
- 10:31the formal country, although I have not lived, but I have a document
- 10:37fifty years ago they gave him a temporary permit for a ferro year not after
- 10:46the year she returned, renewed it and there yes, the second time it
- 10:50would already be the third year already they gave him a condition of a permanent
- 10:56residence card for life. It even has those here called the kurv that would
- 11:01become our quid wellier ok ok that with that you can get a record to
- 11:09drive or you can make even a bank account, etcetera. I mean,
- 11:15with a temporary permit you can' t get a record of driving an eye
- 11:20you can always take out the shapes like trout, to say, but good
- 11:24for a me the legality yes with respect and that' s why I tell
- 11:30you it' s been a little more flexible after the pandemic, because many
- 11:37people who were obviously here of tourists, couldn' t go out here.
- 11:39Then they began to extend his permission, but the pandemic created an alternative.
- 11:46Let' s say very interesting it' s the home office. Not then
- 11:52says look I you can have today in an online company and handle it from
- 12:01a cabin in the square. I have an acquaintance in cosupment where he says
- 12:07you work. If he works, I' m not taking him away because
- 12:11I have an online company, I have my income, I have my account,
- 12:16I have my head, etcetera, etcetera. And today that I'
- 12:20m working from the hotel room of my house or from the beach, then
- 12:26that started and I think we' ll say for a country of these characteristics,
- 12:31I' m not telling you to relax, but to analyze. Let
- 12:35' s just say what the conditions are like. I mean, you'
- 12:39re perfectly fine. You may have work, you may have income and not
- 12:43necessarily have an office or a residence in a clear country. Of course,
- 12:48then they started to say, to condition new categories as you say well,
- 12:54yes, it is owner or entrepreneur and from a job, good job since
- 13:01or say something from the table of a Starbuks, from a cabin on the
- 13:07beach, from my fourth hotel or I don' t know, or even
- 13:11from the living room of an airport, January in admission, paid taxes,
- 13:16etcetera, etcetera. That' s why I tell you the characteristics. Evidently,
- 13:22especially in these places. Well that also happens in Europe the case of
- 13:28Marbella, Illisa not that many of our fellow boys in summer times go as
- 13:33instructors to earn some pesos, etcetera. There' s the traps, too.
- 13:39What happened a few months ago the misfortune of a combi that went to
- 13:43the border and surrendered good. It was a team that when you were sold
- 13:50permission. Now I don' t know small guns to the border. You
- 13:56go to the border, I go out three laps to the block and voils
- 14:00ace to Central and they give you another prominsa of three months of tourist and
- 14:05there you keep coming down. Let' s say bad fortune generated this accident.
- 14:09But deep down, if we' re going to analyze it, out
- 14:13of the misery, these guys were going to renew their stay that would allow
- 14:20them to continue working without any papers the only thing they gave cover. No.
- 14:24But for example, and I' m telling you and I' m
- 14:28sorry that you' re spreading out, I don' t go down the
- 14:35street, I mean, I stood up with a craving in a stall that
- 14:35chory parents were coming. I ate a shory bread and allowed him as a
- 14:39girl not and he told me that he was from San Fernando, that he
- 14:43was three months old, that he had come with his partner, etcetera,
- 14:46etcetera. But and I wanted to bring in a cousin and the cousin,
- 14:50for example, I didn' t have the ticket and everything. But in
- 14:54Mexico City he was told that he could not enter the country because they were
- 15:01already bragging that he would enter, say, with the intention of staying,
- 15:07etcetera, etcetera. Less not then this kind of thing and unfortunately, once
- 15:16you' re deported, it generates that you can' t re- enter
- 15:22for the next five years the country that deported you and leaves a mark on
- 15:26your immigration record. From either side, I don' t imagine so good,
- 15:31very good interesting, interesting and especially for many Argentines, as they notice
- 15:35you over there who has listened. I' d like to urge art.
- 15:37Well, I' ll create a little bit of the Syrian and let'
- 15:39s say we' ve spread out. Well, let' s go back
- 15:43to these lands from North America to South. Let' s say first political
- 15:46success. Late to go to some, but well, first political success in
- 15:50long four months of administration, of administration, millay in Congress, in the
- 15:56half sanction, we will see that they pass to the Senate as testo with
- 16:00a discharacterized government, even if a little denies it. Now yes, for
- 16:03maturely negotiating and so on, and well, that is why it has its
- 16:08first achievement that generates stability, because, beyond the secrets that I, what
- 16:11the government needs is stability also seen outside in terms of a legal regulatory framework,
- 16:15not just cretaceous. So, that' s right, but I think
- 16:21we repeat, or I' d like to regret a comment we made in
- 16:27the first few weeks. The President is learning and knows what to say to
- 16:36see first punching, then he withdrew his hand and the third hug. He
- 16:41needed to mark his imprint, which is the one that allowed him to get
- 16:48to where he is. It would have been quite frustrating for him, or
- 16:55even electoral that he showed from day one I will not say weakness, but
- 16:59a very different attitude. That' s where I' m gonna think the
- 17:03word maybe isn' t right. Brabuconada since she characterized him since his campaign
- 17:10and allowed him to reach the presidency. Well, he started, he showed
- 17:15it also helped him, because circumstances in one way or another, in his
- 17:22style and in his form I don' t tell you they' re ordering,
- 17:26but yes, at least let' s say they' re getting along
- 17:33with certain indicators that he' s on the market showing, let' s
- 17:38say tight supermarket, the supermarket. They' re lowering prices, they'
- 17:41re buying reservations, they tell me, well, but they don' t
- 17:45pay public bills. The public accounts were not paid before, and that money
- 17:49went to the political box, or went to the electoral box, let'
- 17:56s say gossip. So, now, with that political box, what'
- 18:00s buying reserves. It' s four months that a trend is being set.
- 18:07Perhaps this institutional achievement of Congress allows him perhaps a teaching that for the
- 18:15next time will not be expendant and will already align where he will determine who
- 18:22his allies are in the face of an opposition that we continue to show unpresentable
- 18:32faces. The big problem, I mean, is to see the act of
- 18:38Maira Mendoza, Cristina, Fernandelt, etcetera. It is a pathoteric act of
- 18:51wanting to continue to show a power that is obviously not there. Or he
- 18:59may be asleep, but you can' t keep marking an opposition with unpresentable
- 19:08figures, with the big men of the urban cone Gustavo Menéndez, let'
- 19:15s say, all the capitofs now a fierce internal between Axel and Maxim.
- 19:23Don' t touch me to the Nene because the N is becoming smaller every
- 19:30day you see yourself from the forces of heaven, but from the strength of
- 19:36Nestor. Then I believe that Argentina has not brought them along to understand that
- 19:48this period with these characters cannot return. I think it' s perhaps a
- 19:56lot of the votes, even of the governors, have been turned around with
- 20:03a resignation. They, in the governors themselves, have to start building their
- 20:07own political leadership, including in the opposition. They can no longer wait,
- 20:15as it was in the last fifteen years, for a lady to get up
- 20:19and it would be with a whim, to grab the phone and forgive for
- 20:25the expression, but so she used it. What a fool this is going
- 20:27to do because I am Christina, that is, the institutional figure, let
- 20:37' s say political opponents, was also enough. So the governors want to
- 20:42build their own spaces. I' m not telling you that I know that
- 20:48they have the bottom line and they' re doing it to the President,
- 20:55but they' re going to seek their own benefit for their own provinces that
- 21:00are basically their own spaces of political power. So there' s the game
- 21:07and maybe what we should think is that this very inexperience of the Speaker of
- 21:17the House of Deputies, he' s also learning and if he goes on
- 21:26in his post or starts learning a little bit, he' s got a
- 21:30little more waist so you don' t get to these extremes that you learn
- 21:37from your dad, who was a great rocker of Argentine politics. How'
- 21:41s the way in the Senate, God Look, I think it' s
- 21:45going to be similar. I feel that it will be similar and where some
- 21:52spaces and images will be defined perhaps, spaces will decide which side is on
- 22:00each one the case of light to and will follow in that fate of individualistic
- 22:06radicalism, of constructed destroy the small spaces of information. I think it'
- 22:17s going to be a tough negotiation, too. It' s quite a
- 22:25lot, but I think and I hope it' s going to turn out
- 22:32favorable and we get there like this. I think that' s what the
- 22:33President is waiting for in there to start saying well, I already have a
- 22:41more approved baton. That is not why the May Pact with some yes,
- 22:48with others no and then what it looks at. I believe the May Pact.
- 22:52This is, like, say guys, I open the door. This
- 22:59is my democratic party, the one that feels inspired by this Guinea. You
- 23:07may feel it, but I invite you to do it from the inside.
- 23:12If I don' t want to, it' s not the way to
- 23:19see you. You' re inviting the banquet and the wedding. You invited
- 23:26your ex- girlfriend. It' s all right, but, well,
- 23:30I' m choosing this path now, what it' s about Sometimes it
- 23:37' s inviting me to something to negotiate. He' s telling me I
- 23:38signed you down or he' s gone. Or, to see the undersigned
- 23:44does not mean that you give total acceptance and blessing you can write from within
- 23:52my sense, I approve the spirit of the covenanter. Now you do,
- 24:00you need to go to the pool every day with the shirt of such a
- 24:03team. I' ll tell you no I lie to you without a shirt
- 24:08or let me keep playing with my own shirt. I' m going to
- 24:11swim, like everyone else, in the same pools, only I' m
- 24:15going to keep my identity. I think it' s an invitation, it
- 24:17' s not an imposition. He needs that building space and perhaps the May
- 24:26seal or birth will allow him, say, to have a new institutional figure
- 24:32for more America. What does he talk about, example, where the negotiation
- 24:40is possibly direct, I no longer know through the removal of the cameras all
- 24:47in the background. If you want to analyze it with certain characteristics, he
- 24:52could say I give you the opportunity to be the leader of your province in
- 24:56this space and from here empowering and lowering it no longer depends, say,
- 25:03on the whim of the Instituto Patrio de Cristina. I would see it that
- 25:08way, i e, i create an institutional entity, like the Moncloa was
- 25:14at the time. I don' t mean, let' s look for
- 25:19common points and sit on what' s there, but I' m giving
- 25:25you the chance that he' s sitting on is cool. There' s
- 25:26the governor of the province, not a guy and so to speak, of
- 25:36the political space in front of me eye is my vision. Maybe as an
- 25:38analyst and this ortega you don' t mention the moncloa. You' d
- 25:42give him the grandeur of these ideas. The Spanish panta both look is a
- 25:48starting point. Moncloa, let' s say, is an icon in history.
- 25:53No eye and he did it. Let' s say a transition and
- 26:02we want to see it. We' re in a transition and you know
- 26:06the most interesting thing. Besides, I' m analyzing it precisely on these
- 26:12working days. The strongest transition is perhaps not ideological, but generational. What
- 26:23do I mean? When I say generational, it' s an imprint.
- 26:32I am currently involved in some electoral campaign consultancies. In a time or our
- 26:37time, one raised a proclamation. Now you' ll pick up a tiktok
- 26:45in three seconds, which you don' t say in those three seconds of
- 26:49the tiktok or Instagram. No one reads it to you anymore, no one
- 26:52watches you take it completely. I' d agree to catch up. That
- 26:55' s good. On the other hand, on the other hand, in
- 26:59terms I win from people that you give so much so that it does not
- 27:03follow the day to day of the young people who vote for a slogan for
- 27:06a fec news for one side and for the other and not you just to
- 27:07one side to the right. That' s good. Look, I'
- 27:11ll answer it with a subject. About five years ago, go Buenos Aires,
- 27:15invite me to a tribute of solidarity with a famous ambassador and remembered friend,
- 27:22Eduardo Salus, who was the one who had denounced the issue of himself
- 27:26remembers you good. It was in one of the traditional X clubs that I
- 27:30don' t remember if I made progress. In Buenos Aires there were four
- 27:34hundred people of the food. He spoke so much, he spoke sultans,
- 27:38etcetera. What a great act a little the conclusion for the food on the
- 27:45say on the sidewalk waiting for the taxi to a great act and Tomás and
- 27:48I went to see and said is right, but these are next votes.
- 27:52So to speak, Auge was the first child. Not this one. In
- 27:59short, we are becoming a small one. My circle would even tell you
- 28:04social and biological, but it doesn' t represent those we were there generationally
- 28:12answering. Your question. That is but that is what the new generation is
- 28:17consuming, to see, the Malboro Group, as I don' t know,
- 28:22the Trollers and everything else are those and that is what is strengthening the
- 28:29figure of the President, that is, the six hundred leaves that had,
- 28:34I don' t remember, six thousand crazy ones that had the bases and
- 28:40poor starting points the girl who said no beyond her limitations at night and the
- 28:45prologue. I believe that the greatest intellectual generationally did not reach the fourth leaf
- 28:49either. Not in words, we need to start ruling for those people.
- 29:00When Clington was told in the debate that Mr Bush' s disc father did
- 29:04not. But you didn' t go to the Vietnam War and smoke marijuana
- 29:08at Clinton University. I remember. In the middle of the debate he told
- 29:12me he is right, President, but eighty percent of the people who vote
- 29:18today were against the Vietnam war, they smoked all the marijuana life and because
- 29:22there was at the university, what we' re playing at, I mean,
- 29:27that answer destroyed him. That' s what he' s telling you.
- 29:30It doesn' t work. I don' t know. The last
- 29:34one in the stirrup controversy over the book fair. Lilia Lemoines joined Milley'
- 29:40s criticism of the cold stor of the fair and stated that the book fair
- 29:42is a ren event of cultural Marxism. Look. I' ve been a
- 29:52concurrent at the book fair. What' s more, at one time I
- 29:57was looking for a way to be in April for the book fair. I
- 30:02think she' s an interesting vinerer in your time. In its first one
- 30:07remembers the first ones or if you were going to buy cheap books, that
- 30:12the libertarians were the opportunity that you only got to thirty and you went out
- 30:18with your patents, things that in the last no fairs was the same and
- 30:26today much more buys us put a platform mercan book or whatever, you did
- 30:30not have that yes, the negotiation to listen to the authors and everyone to
- 30:40see the Argentine cultural in the last twenty years has had an ideological dry,
- 30:47not that it is from the official channels on the radios and not in vain
- 30:52or in the cultural politics. Or the representatives of culture are coming foot to
- 31:00have the way to the President for his comments in front of the work.
- 31:04I believe that the State is a promoter of culture, but not necessarily a
- 31:12benefactor of culture. In that I am perhaps with limitations or with certain points
- 31:23at variance. That is the philosophy of presidents. Now, the problem is
- 31:30that whoever says in this Member' s comment, let' s say,
- 31:36does not represent me the intellectual seriousness to realize it. I don' t
- 31:41want a book fair with the Benega Lynch all the time inside either. We
- 31:48don' t need that deation. But the problem and I think we'
- 31:56re seeing it in front of you know that I' m a permanent reader
- 32:01and buyer. When I' m going to see a fashion media genius,
- 32:06I think there' s a generational theme that' s looking very interesting and
- 32:10yesterday I had it or. I analyzed it with a book project on the
- 32:16history of the Argentine economy during the time of the process, among which one
- 32:22of the authors is a cousin of mine, Luis Odones, who to this
- 32:24day, after fifty years, continues to be a victim of the famous theme
- 32:30of Martínez de Os and the banks. He owns a bank confiscated the book
- 32:36by the Central Bank, etcetera. So I said look everything is very,
- 32:42very, very nice what you' re telling me, but you' re
- 32:45seventy- nine years old now. In that fifty years ago this process and
- 32:50you think that today a guy in Argentina, fifty years ago never knew what
- 32:54his process was and those who remember the case are ready. Let' s
- 33:05say we die not because of a subject, and it' s the same
- 33:07thing that happened to you. Now he' s out. I' m
- 33:09reading the father music book. I read the last also of the tata that
- 33:15came out of firm Nitch to see it came out one lost the need to
- 33:22tell what happened to it in front of a generation and no longer remembers us,
- 33:30because they didn' t even give success of their parents saw. I
- 33:32have the case of an excellent and dear friend of mine who has the archive
- 33:38of General Agustín Lanunnce and went to an editorial of the album. How about
- 33:45we publish all the memories and archives of La Luce and his editorialist who publishes
- 33:52everything told him what interests him. Today, the General of the Nuce we
- 33:59liked then. I think I' m quick to answer about this girl.
- 34:04I don' t know if he left you or was in a spell,
- 34:08but that is, what we want and we return in this new generation to
- 34:16rescue from that Argentine culture. Gus, thank you, as we always find
- 34:22ourselves now Sisha re- established next Wednesday we have already arranged many graces,
- 34:25a hug and happy Worker' s Day. Thanks, I' ll hug
- 34:29you. Or that you' re with the flag. You have tears.
- 34:32Maybe a poor mouthed chao certainly beat us already had all the celebration you had.
- 34:38What will you do in life like this in parentheses before greeting the next
- 34:42guest Read a note from the newspaper Now schools and books, the government'
- 34:45s decision of my law that deepens educational inequality teacher researcher in education. The
- 34:51author of this note, Jamila gold steinhalif, reflects this column on the broader
- 34:57meanings of the Government' s decision to discontinue the purchase of reading books for
- 35:00students of compulsory levels throughout the poor country. Me, who' s in
- 35:07primary school. In this regard, the question arises how it is possible to
- 35:09bridge the gaps of educational inequality if access to books, which are also expensive,
- 35:15is fit. Let' s talk a little bit about economy. I
- 35:17got it online. The friend Camillo de Chicornio, director of six of the
- 35:21cominista economic advisors our also the good afternoon, Fernando Saludos, how it goes
- 35:28ponito here maquiado. They' re gonna see me You' re mutated for
- 35:31now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, how you' re gonna
- 35:35see when I get in there all the time. Then it was I forgot
- 35:37about the rective. Come on, they' re looking at the regatta.
- 35:39All right, thank you very much for being here. Well, first news
- 35:43of the day. Cover of Januarys tomorrow goes to the old way. The
- 35:46Central Bank under another ten points up to interest. It puts it fifty percent
- 35:51and is the fifth reduction in Millay management interest rate rates. What an analysis
- 35:59I have. I think it follows the tone of the last Central Bank casualties.
- 36:06They have as a main or objective is I think I try to help
- 36:14reactivate the economy and favor the first credit objective and second, to contribute to
- 36:20the process of unwinding the famous issue of passive passes, which is the debt
- 36:23of the Central Bank, which is a rather serious problem. Even those liabilities,
- 36:29that debt of the Central Bank implies a potential currency issue at a time
- 36:35that would cause more inflation. Of course, if it had to monetize effectively,
- 36:38then lowering the interest rate reduces the rate of growth of that liability,
- 36:43that Central Bank debt and brings you closer to being able to release the dry
- 36:46of good. You six have good. A few days will come out The
- 36:54inflation data of the month for g exactly raised eight comma seven percent a month.
- 37:01It was the raise we had. After we remember 11 percent that gave
- 37:06the indes in the month of March and that eight comma seven percent that we
- 37:08relieved. It is heavily influenced by regulated services. In fact, if you
- 37:15put that and other seasonal issues aside, like schools at this time, what
- 37:19is called inflation, core is at six comma nine percent. Well, it
- 37:25would be the first indicator after I think an October bun in the style of
- 37:30mass, of a data, of a digit, of being able to leave
- 37:36six months or something like that. What any one of us is looking to
- 37:38have some realists Batistina is that it' s going to be hard to get
- 37:43him down from six or five percent of here December I tell you down let
- 37:46' s remember 25 percent of December, also with the rerestomasta with the revaluation
- 37:51jump, a strong deleto that makes one hundred and thirty percent and arrives we
- 37:55would put this number of ta seven eight percent nine in April. But with
- 38:00what you mark is that later I say not vast that by one can be
- 38:01ah or the least informed or at least analytical gives you good. It'
- 38:07s going to slow down this very fast, let' s say one or
- 38:09two three in December. Not what you branded could mark there in five,
- 38:13four or five six to December. Sometimes a little close and real proception.
- 38:19I don' t know, no, not clearly. I don' t
- 38:21think that without a ladder like the one you' re going to score Bo
- 38:24twenty- five, twenty- five, eleven and that' s not going
- 38:30to keep up, but I think the value might be closer to five percent.
- 38:34It seems to me that that value can be brought closer, which then
- 38:37continues to fall. I think he can keep coming down. It' s
- 38:39going to depend a little bit on the other kind of things the government does,
- 38:43how things are going to work out next year. You' re not
- 38:45talking maybe this year too I don' t think we' ll get to
- 38:50one percent monthly, clearly, but I think maybe you could slowly get down
- 38:52from five percent. I believe that by the month of May and we can
- 38:57get to be in six or five more even after the announcement made by the
- 39:00government that they will postpone some public service adjustments. I believe that there,
- 39:07thinking about the future of inflation, I do not know that there are a
- 39:10number of things that are going to play, of course, no, but
- 39:14fundamental I believe that it is the fiscal adjustment that the government can persist in
- 39:17some fiscal balance. It seems to me that this is a fundamental issue for
- 39:21thinking about inflation in the future and then the other, how the exchange rate
- 39:24is moving. I think it' s very difficult for the dollar to go
- 39:28away to keep moving at two percent indefinitely. The government is looking for inflation
- 39:31to fall as quickly as possible so that it can move as little as possible,
- 39:37but I find it hard to think it will stay at 2%.
- 39:39So, in those conditions, yes, drilling five percent is going to be
- 39:43complicated, but you don' t see it impossible. In what number we
- 39:47are now of core inflation not, which is the one that does not have,
- 39:51which does not have to see the timing when six, nine, nine
- 39:58s uve I believe that after the other that also think about total inflation,
- 40:00what will continue to include that rate just as the government later wants to continue
- 40:05to increase all these services that have now had a very strong increase for some
- 40:09users and that surely there will continue to be strong increases for other users to
- 40:15try to continue to reduce the weight of the subsidies. So that' s
- 40:19a factor that I think the government will now see that it' s going
- 40:22to be left to handle with a little more tileling that we' ve read.
- 40:24So that' s going to regulate as well or it' s going
- 40:28to complicate the downside of the intación, because if you have to go honest
- 40:31with users who are still very late, obviously you' re going to keep
- 40:35putting a floor to inflation. It doesn' t make any expression. I
- 40:37' m just saying that' s what you were saying. Just the important
- 40:39thing about persistence. From this point of view, the fair prosecutor, because
- 40:42it is what is criticized. It is good that increases are delayed so that
- 40:45they do not stick in inflation to a time of tariff services, lightgas,
- 40:50etcetera. But that too, obviously, makes you generate less reduction in public
- 40:54subsidies. Not sure, but notice that they decide after they have passed the
- 40:59law they go to answer the tax on profits, and I think the government
- 41:02has a logic in this that it is doing. Evidently, the more leverage
- 41:07can be leveraged in the basic law. If there are tax projects that have
- 41:13been done now, well, they have a little more room to regulate that
- 41:15other part. Not having that before, it logically had to be more violent
- 41:21in the rates. It will also have increased collection of export duties, i
- 41:24e retentions for telagro exports that are now at the peak. Then he also
- 41:31thinks that the increase in user bills, which he has to pay more for
- 41:36public services, also represents more VAT collection. Then there are a number of
- 41:40resources that the government, I think it can have and that is what allows
- 41:43it now, in any case, not to threaten its fiscal goal. Let
- 41:46' s call him, but stop some things. In the increases that are
- 41:50coming there is said the President that some question a lot from the recovery of
- 41:55the activity until the salary is already gaining inflation, which would be called a
- 42:00victory in a success of the real salary. This is it, okay.
- 42:07The last indicator that came out that is an indicator called ric is a formal
- 42:09wage indicator. Of course, in the month of March it increased by 14
- 42:15percent when it was eleven. One. You can discuss whether this is representative
- 42:21of the majority or not. But this indicator, which is quite related to
- 42:24others, formal wage index. The truth is that he beat inflation in March,
- 42:29in particular in March. It did happen in terms of economic activity.
- 42:34The numbers are a little more scattered, more delayed. The last vat we
- 42:37have for pbí is February, which fell monthly, but less than in January
- 42:43and January they referred it to the downside. Some data from March shows you
- 42:47that some things have been released out there. A little. In February the
- 42:51sale of supermarkets went up zero five over January. So out there some indistory
- 42:55industry up to the buya that I' m worried about March. It does
- 42:58not say that March, that I March that April are good months. Faithful
- 43:01said that in March he increased one five monthly. That is why I think
- 43:07they are still partial indicators. We are definitely not at the best moment in
- 43:13economic activity, but I think there are some signs that perhaps some kind of
- 43:15floor might have been found that the fall is not that it continues indefinitely is
- 43:19not the same rate of fall as that of December. Now some say that
- 43:24just by not getting out of the stocks by the middle of the year and
- 43:28that this is being delayed also by the missing women that we have to talk
- 43:30about. On the bottom And so on, just this delay is possible to
- 43:37touch floor. No yes, I do not necessarily associate the exit of the
- 43:44stocks immediately with economic activity. It seems to me that, as long as
- 43:49the gap is more or less narrowed, it is a little less necessary to
- 43:54the link between sepo and economic activity. I think that the issue of economic
- 43:58activity has more to do with other things that have to do with economic policy
- 44:01in general, whether it will be maintained over time or not, I think
- 44:05that the passage by lawmakers is looking like an important fact. We' ll
- 44:10see how they follow the Senate. It seems to me that that kind of
- 44:13thing is perhaps even more relevant than the issue of sefo than that. Obviously
- 44:15the Po Se must be lifted at some point. I believe that the government
- 44:20is handling it with some caution, but in any case, I believe that
- 44:25the opening of the Cepo does not seem to me to see it as a
- 44:30black white thing either. It is likely that the government will begin to graduate,
- 44:34that is, the art is that the gradual mode is the country tax
- 44:37that generates so much fiscal remembrance is obviously by law established until December and that
- 44:43surely will not be touched, for example, and probably to see beyond that
- 44:49I agree a good measure. I put myself as with so many interviewed in
- 44:52the devil' s lawyer, in the law to patient, positive, profit
- 45:00is restored, but, for example, there it goes down in matters of
- 45:04personal goods, that is to say in quotation marks, attacks you against the
- 45:07worker, so then we can put in gift of the rod of one wins.
- 45:08So much silver that they call a vote of the will or the job,
- 45:15but those who have the personal goods, they have theories more money and
- 45:20they end up freeing part of it. Yeah, what happens is that there
- 45:24are several topics to see. Not there to see the same thing as the
- 45:30moratorium. I think at some point what you' re trying to do is
- 45:32to get resources that are outside the system that a lot of people, not
- 45:39just people of high purchasing level, have taken out the system to protect themselves
- 45:44in high inflation. I think there is something to try, to favor that,
- 45:46thinking that it can help reactivate the economy, on the one hand,
- 45:50on the other. The famous subject of personal property tax is highly debatable.
- 45:54I say if you already paid income tax the moment you generated the income that
- 45:59gave rise to the assets you have, how many times more you' re
- 46:01going to have to pay every month, you' re going to have to
- 46:05pay every year, you' re going to pay for the profit you already
- 46:06paid. I mean, I don' t know if personal property tax makes
- 46:09much sense. From that perspective, no and or logically also the liqueur has
- 46:15to do eventually with profitability or the moments in which it throws the economy.
- 46:19Now that interest rates are higher, it' s one thing. Back in
- 46:22the day, the outlying rates were practically zero. It was a waste of
- 46:27the tax. That' s it. So I think the tax itself for
- 46:28me and I would have to be much more focused on income tax. The
- 46:35thing is, what' s going on is you win it, but it
- 46:37sounds like a million eight hundred brutes is at least in Congress for this bass.
- 46:42I' m talking about a person who won an eight hundred million.
- 46:44Nor does it have a land late than the entire finished standard of living for
- 46:47the TIN, but neither do you pay thirty- five percent profit on a
- 46:52million eight hundred thousand weights on productive scales. It doesn' t go here.
- 46:54There is a distortion of the income tax that took place over the last
- 46:58twenty years, most of it because the scales and deductions did not fit proportionally
- 47:01with what inflation was. So, in fact, it ended up putting off
- 47:08profit tax, people who maybe shouldn' t have paid it. It seems
- 47:10that they were more reasonable to have charged the profit. Calling personal income as
- 47:15they want to call it now and everything may be a progressive scale, but
- 47:20it seems to me that it mattered more reasonably for having been good. Finally,
- 47:24again, the devil is now criticized by the government as that good polled
- 47:29me more, even if I admit it middle class prepares them for me and
- 47:32criticizes this not having and in fact raised me up to some case in lawyer
- 47:37and I go the State itself is litigating against his own Neu Seventy that it
- 47:42was the one that freed the whole issue of the spreads and forbid that my
- 47:45law does not admit that there are market errors. Well, it came out
- 47:49on the table with the subject prepared and you' re welcome to be,
- 47:52but I say it contravenes the libretto and that already again a certain look of
- 47:58interventionist links in economics. It seems to me that calling that interventionism where we
- 48:05come from, it seems to me that it is not so much. It
- 48:07seems to me to be an intervention that is even quite reasonable. It is
- 48:12questionable the release it says at some point from prices. This is at the
- 48:15moment with Neu' s. I think the issue of health. It'
- 48:19s a rather complicated subject that might require, but, well, that'
- 48:22s exactly where we' d come from. That' s why the topic
- 48:23would be why you put the neuro that you' re now claiming s a
- 48:27pon gave it all. You are free, because the question will be this
- 48:29more than now that you are not intervening. Let' s say, I
- 48:34had or saw the nebu so liberalizing that in the end it pays the rother
- 48:37dishes. Let' s say I think there' s a very curious thing
- 48:40about Milay' s case. It' s not like if he does something
- 48:46that sticks to what he said in the campaign, he' s an extremist.
- 48:51If later if you turn back on something when you' re being criticized,
- 48:54it' s because the guy' s not consistent with what he was
- 48:58saying before. It' s like that but but look pretty look, see
- 49:00that several readings have been taken backwards and this same thing in Congress that it
- 49:04' s been pragmatic. It is already called folklore his sayings, that it
- 49:07has been fractatic, but it does not enter. I don' t think
- 49:09he' s going to see a journalistic look, he' s already punishing
- 49:13us for the pragmatic. It hasn' t hit him to look at Congress
- 49:15in the end, business with the laws. It was what I had to
- 49:17do and it needed the laws. I don' t think there' s
- 49:21a big group of people who say, uh, look. In the end
- 49:22he became pragmatic, in the end he got off. It wasn' t
- 49:24what I had to do. Let' s say good and say in some
- 49:27of these things not this new preparation thing. Also well they do hours,
- 49:30but then take note of the super liberalizer we say. I don' t
- 49:35think I' m sorry I' ll leave you. I don' t
- 49:36think there' s a great stream of opinion that says in the end,
- 49:39that is, pragmatism in quotation marks, it' s even seen as something
- 49:45realistic in it, the pragmatic shot. So much so when we talk about,
- 49:47for example, dollarization, also ah no, but in campaign he said
- 49:52io olariza and did not slow down. I think there' s a course
- 49:55for a short time. Well, it' s okay. It' s
- 49:57okay. The one who criticizes on this side is not long enough for him
- 50:00to make the time to realize the subject. The issue of health is a
- 50:05rather complicated one. I think it seems to me that first we have to
- 50:07understand the subject quite well. I' m not an expert on health.
- 50:10I, in principle, am in favour of the things of regulating generals.
- 50:15I like to try to create competition in any case and that the State has
- 50:19to intervene as little as possible. I believe that I believe more in these
- 50:22kinds of issues and if there is some kind of intervention to be made,
- 50:27I believe that it must be done in an orderly way, through a competition
- 50:30agency, which is another of the issues that were on the famous pley base.
- 50:34I think that is the way, in any case, to deal with
- 50:36this whole problem, which is always the famous theme of concentrated groups, the
- 50:38lack of competition. I think he' s going that way. I believe
- 50:42that the orderly way is to have an agent to handle this, to have
- 50:45an investigation and to detect if there really is collusion, which is the problem,
- 50:49if they are working in a coordinated way, if they are setting prices
- 50:53that are exorbitant by way of reference, it must be said that you pay
- 50:55them to me for the control applied by the previous government was increasing considerably less
- 51:00the and was seen in the quality of services, then they have increased more
- 51:04than inflation. Honestly, I' m not surprised. The point is that
- 51:06they too will have to regulate and it seems that there is a market to
- 51:09what extent they lose customers with what they are doing. I don' t
- 51:12think we should let that work a little bit, too. And secondly,
- 51:14I think that also what speaks to you if the issue of prepaid is really
- 51:19so critical to note that it is not the issue of prepaid for the whole
- 51:22population. In any case, there should be a rather small universe within the
- 51:27population in Argentina and I believe that here what is needed is in any case
- 51:30to improve public service services so that, in any case, there is competition.
- 51:35On that side, it seems to me or invent different types of ways
- 51:38of trying to generate more skills. I think that' s the way to
- 51:42regulation. It seems to me that it is a punctual case and as I
- 51:45said handled, so that you just well to me a taste and thanks,
- 51:51as always, greetings until later, now they are great to you. Here
- 51:54in prural construction we go to the pause. We start with everything with the
- 51:59long, sora and half tradition. In construction, we started with likes for
- 52:01the Volfeston. We passed through Camilletifornio to our two feminists, First to our
- 52:07correspondent and the second our head proconomist, one of the head prophomists another of
- 52:12them who will be listening to the list of the Alejandro Rockman program. We
- 52:15go to the pause, we go to the batch, we return surely everything
- 52:20goes well, as I always say, put the look of the political consultant
- 52:23Carlos Hermano. Now the batch with Juan and become participating in the contest fans
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- 53:04ferment two thousand twenty- two and, as always where we upload audios of
- 53:07the program analysis of specialist columnists. Our website adds triple approaches blogs with ar
- 53:24fifteen, fifty- seven. Here we are with only fifteen degrees, but
- 53:30the sun we are going to return second to our last guest and then,
- 53:32as I told you, we are going to say goodbye to Alejandro Roffman and
- 53:37his economic panorama, which complements pure plurality of plual construction, a completely different
- 53:42look to the one we just heard live on the way. It is also
- 53:44tor of six economics and Alejandro Rockman' s. To have more honor to
- 53:50understand why it will be Majoul aimed, journalism, servilism to, to the
- 53:57officialism, President Adorni, the spokesman Adorno Vi, the armed forces of Ukraine,
- 54:01Good tendencies, at least that I see here in my x although I
- 54:05like to continue calling him the social network of birdy prepares. The government defined
- 54:08how to calculate the contribution to be paid in May of the companies will be
- 54:13able to charge a maximum moment of one hundred and fourteen six in relation to
- 54:16what paid in December two thousand twenty- three. Let' s see what
- 54:20other title matters. Shouting is threatened in the water, turning aside a decent
- 54:23one for mistreating his students in San Bernardo, in the Coast Party, Quirianism
- 54:29closes ranks, but he lacks four senators to block the law. Bases in
- 54:31the upper chamber to who occupy the German carlos Good three, half complete goes
- 54:37hello, how you doing, what to say, Good afternoon, how we
- 54:43are well, All right, all right. What happened to a mouth in
- 54:45a pity. We already saw him as a champion and we saw him having
- 54:47a jetting overisk, but well, not until what happens and they' re
- 54:51going to have to keep working a lot. I don' t John freedom
- 54:52next year. Well, we' re not standing either. Not well,
- 54:58it is the liberator or and at the taita level, but at the local
- 55:07level and they have stayed that long. Well, let' s see what
- 55:09happens next championship that starts in the week, that there' s TDNA.
- 55:13Okay, well, there I read you updating a little news and it was
- 55:17a time bae the nism has thirty- three files. Apparently, there will
- 55:23be no legislative losses. We' ll have to see some absentees. There
- 55:29' s some cowardly pressure out there, but it doesn' t embolize.
- 55:31But, for example, the altemios, the catamarchemy can get those three senators
- 55:38of the first class or the maximum that can augur the opposition is modifications and
- 55:44that it returns to deputy if it takes a bit. This whole thing looks.
- 55:46I think this day to day. It seems to me that much of
- 55:52the negotiations that took place to obtain the means in the Chamber of Deputies were
- 56:02also in agreement with the House of Senators. I' d say that'
- 56:10s open. I would not encourage myself to say clearly whether the thirty-
- 56:16three, which is the first solid minority that has Union for the homeland,
- 56:23are going to be, say, fully aligned. I' d tell you
- 56:28we' d have to wait a bit. It seems to me that there
- 56:32are some governors with whom you have made a lot of progress, at least
- 56:38for what you are reading and some news that you get out there. I
- 56:43' d say this is open. It wouldn' t cheer me up.
- 56:46Let' s say with so much effect that the up union for the homeland,
- 56:55the thirty- three are aligned. There may be senators missing, there
- 57:01may be some momentarily withdrawing. I think it' s still a long way
- 57:07from that, but you see more probable how one can be. I'
- 57:09m telling you this will make you the lege in the will give you some
- 57:14change in the deputy or be quick, no, but it most likely does
- 57:16become law in the Senate Mira. I was just talking to some Members.
- 57:24I' m here in the City of La Plata, in this bag a
- 57:30little bit. What we were talking about was that I' m the perception
- 57:34I have, but I' m telling you, I mean, no,
- 57:37no, no, not yet. No, no, I have clear information.
- 57:38That' s the analysis. I believe that this is much more advanced,
- 57:44because I believe that the negotiation of the Chamber of Deputies also strongly involved
- 57:49what has not happened, what did not happen the other time, the first
- 57:51time for exactly, exactly the difference of Clia Fernando It is at least learned
- 58:00from the malpractice they committed in January and part of February, and it seems
- 58:05to me that this time they achieved, let' s say progress and with
- 58:13much more professionalism and respecting uses and customs that Parliament historically has And it seems
- 58:21to me that that was reflected the beginning of the week and I will tell
- 58:29you vert I encourage to tell you is that I believe that the negotiation in
- 58:36the Chamber of Senators is also advanced. Well, what effect can TRANSLAMASIVA have,
- 58:45the Federal Multitudinary University Mobilization of the Fairs Tuesday, a fort that we
- 58:51no longer know what will happen with the transport, what will be the core,
- 58:52because there will be no manifestation of the difference of the first stop I
- 58:57say in the second pair of the CEPET of Thursday pimp Well, yes,
- 59:00within a week, the judge next looks. I think day nine, which
- 59:06I think is nine, next Thursday, yes. It seems to me that
- 59:10if they get the uta to say evenly pairs, I would say that it
- 59:22would be a relatively successful strike and they continue to proliferate the differences that exist
- 59:35in the uta, I would say that I do not see a scenario of
- 59:43super success in the end of nine. I think he has a lot to
- 59:47do with transport. There still the Miley government continues to enjoy despite a very
- 59:53strong adjustment, it continues to enjoy a certain social consensus and I think that
- 1:00:00people are raising the possibility of supporting, because they believe that there can be,
- 1:00:07that there can be a future. Let' s say the theme of
- 1:00:14hope in more than fifty percent of the population is now under substance in the
- 1:00:19Government of Javier Milla and how long that tolerance can last. I don'
- 1:00:22t know, but I' d tell you unemployment is so much to do
- 1:00:28with what can happen to public passenger transport. He speaks of hope more than
- 1:00:36fifty percent talking to many colleagues of yours, because more serious, presumptuously speak
- 1:00:39of a scenario forty- seven, forty- seven thousand invited. You see,
- 1:00:45it' s not like that, there' s a little more than
- 1:00:46half of favor, or more or less. How they see it. I
- 1:00:47think this one beat him with the fifty- six that in the middle of
- 1:00:51this brutal fit, he hasn' t lost much, but he' s
- 1:00:54lost his way. I think it' s there I don' t know
- 1:00:58if fifty- six, fifty- s forty- eight. What I want
- 1:01:00to say to you is that there is a level of more than fifty percent
- 1:01:07that or fifty percent that still has a quota where it gives it credibility.
- 1:01:12And it also has a lot to see that what' s in front of
- 1:01:17us is not a valid alternative today either, because it' s the no
- 1:01:22for the no itself no and it seems to me that appearances like what was
- 1:01:28last Saturday' s Christina Kirner, it seems that it empowers even more many
- 1:01:32people who are out there in doubt or are having a hard time or are
- 1:01:37having a hard time getting to the end of the month. But the other
- 1:01:38one says, we' ve seen it. There is, let' s
- 1:01:43not say any fresh tare or fresh voices that generate a different alternative to what
- 1:01:51is being done now. And if those who separate the role of great opponent
- 1:01:54do not speak. I believe in you. I think it was with you
- 1:01:57that you told me about the times, not about the cherry. There you
- 1:02:00know, but exactly good, but and how you see it or, since
- 1:02:02what is clearly beyond that obviously has to go forward, it has no re
- 1:02:06- election, it will have to fight against maximum Christine. But, I
- 1:02:08mean, he joined the march, he joined the march to which you,
- 1:02:12if I say well, yesterday to the college march. It' s playing
- 1:02:15like a fort, let' s say this one with a half tone.
- 1:02:17But strong, half tone, I say it' s done inside. But
- 1:02:20strong, let' s say, is what that positioning is like. You
- 1:02:22also put it in part of the past or rule and have gone by in
- 1:02:29the middle of the wave this libertarian and withheld. The province of Buenos Aires
- 1:02:32puts it in a place where up to thirty- seven forty percent of the
- 1:02:36registry, where if the Eastern Province does not break down, it can have,
- 1:02:40can be a very important actor. Let' s see. I'
- 1:02:44d tell you what if I did and I told you the other day the
- 1:02:47subject of the times. Today it became automatically the head of the pok in
- 1:02:52nerism. I think Saturday saw clearly a Cristina Kirner leading an increasingly smaller space.
- 1:03:00I would tell you today that on Saturday what I saw in the analysis
- 1:03:06I can do for you on Saturday is that Cristina spoke as the leader of
- 1:03:13the champagne, not representing all the journalism. And it seems to me that
- 1:03:19that place, say today, the leadership of Peronism is totally, totally vacant
- 1:03:27and that in order to be able to say take that place, Peronism is
- 1:03:34inexorably going to have to go through some sort of internal electoral contest. I
- 1:03:37think that in order to be able to permanently displace what was the leadership of
- 1:03:44Cristina Kisner, who is still very important, minority but important. At last
- 1:03:50let' s say this to leave behind a leader. It must be defeated
- 1:03:54by democratic means, i e by the vote, by the vote of the
- 1:03:59estate. And that seems to me to be what Peronism is due today.
- 1:04:04And I would tell you that in that scenario, Kislov would have to expand
- 1:04:14his base of sustainability and political volume much more. I see still an axi
- 1:04:18that Silov, with possibilities for the future, but very endogamic in its construction,
- 1:04:26in its internal construction, very closed to the Group Let' s say
- 1:04:31Mother that took him to make a central figure of the Argentine politics and it
- 1:04:39is costing him a lot to finish opening for effects, to be able to
- 1:04:45generate the necessary consensuses to occupy the role that has to occupy, that I
- 1:04:49believe it is one that can be either to seek or try to head post
- 1:05:02- timerism and facing even expands touch you point to the exactly legal trir,
- 1:05:11exactly exactly. This reminds me a lot of time and apologized, but in
- 1:05:16the year one thousand eighty- five Peronism came from a defeat for the first
- 1:05:23time in its history. In the year eighty- three, with radicalism led
- 1:05:28by Raúl Alfonsini, there were two pounds Lorenzo Miguelio Traera Erminio Iglesias. In
- 1:05:33the eighty- five, as he was unable to organize on a pro-
- 1:05:42party basis, Antonio Cafiero made an agreement with Carlos Sauleros and ended up saying
- 1:05:47on the outside and good. From there he achieved clear leadership that was reflected
- 1:05:51in the election of eighty- seven. When Peronism wins radicalism in the province.
- 1:06:00I mean, it seems to me that they are in a scenario where,
- 1:06:06undoubtedly, the Peronist affiliate will be by step taken for internal. No.
- 1:06:11No. No. No. No. No. I know what logistics
- 1:06:13can be, but what I do believe is that today it is necessary,
- 1:06:19at least in that party, to finish giving a consistency to the leadership,
- 1:06:28because today, the central problem of Argentine politics, taking out my law,
- 1:06:31is the leadership. They' re totally deflation. There is no solid leadership
- 1:06:38in Argentine politics, except Miley' s. You' re surprised, even
- 1:06:44if we put fifty- fifty. It is surprising that in the midst of
- 1:06:46this just Miley has these levels of support. But I think it has a
- 1:06:53lot to do with what happened in October and November last year, that my
- 1:06:57law is President of the Republic, a man outside the entire traditional political structure,
- 1:07:02let' s say in that and that it reached the top presidency,
- 1:07:09without governors, without intendents, with an absolute minority in both chambers. I
- 1:07:21' m telling you, it doesn' t surprise me, because somehow society
- 1:07:27manifested itself in a very ferocious fit. So is society. What it raises
- 1:07:30is what are the alternatives and you are the faces that appear and are always
- 1:07:34the same. He is not someone who appears with a different speech or an
- 1:07:41alternative speech. Everyone, in some way or another, spent many years on
- 1:07:47the central stage of Argentine politics. That' s why it doesn' t
- 1:07:54catch my eye. What I do believe is how much longer you can,
- 1:07:58what level of tolerance there can be to sustain this adjustment. No, and
- 1:08:04what do you see there, and I think that' s where it seems
- 1:08:11to me that if I could achieve, if Javier would manage my law to
- 1:08:19generate inflation, start going down, start having results fundamentally at the family table.
- 1:08:26I would say that there, in tolerance levels can be extended. What
- 1:08:30happens is that this is not to put it that we arrive in December with
- 1:08:33a four or five or six percent starts still winning, but already much slower
- 1:08:38the semester shift. But the issue is and even some colleague of yours what
- 1:08:42if, instead of the agenda make only great means of inflations and some stability
- 1:08:45but some peace of the cemeteries fell the activity. The small merchant Novende had
- 1:08:51employment problems, meaning inflation in a separate country used to go quite well with
- 1:08:56inflation. Not obviously, when you already go to levels above it. I
- 1:08:59don' t know forty fifty sixty percent, but I say that who little
- 1:09:04gets used to it I repeat not when it goes so high, but what
- 1:09:08happens if at the same time you generate us, you generate it say there
- 1:09:13is no recovery of activity and employment is also harmed. And you mean a
- 1:09:15stable balance society or a stable macroeconomic scenario, but for a society it was
- 1:09:23two steps down. I would tell you today that still apprehending, despite the
- 1:09:30fact that the issue of unemployment began to appear in citizens' concerns. The
- 1:09:41inflationary theme is a theme. The subject of inflation remains today one of the
- 1:09:46central issues in citizens' concerns. It is a theme that accompanied many generations.
- 1:09:55It seems to me that if these issues begin to subside, I would
- 1:10:02say to you that the President of the measure that does not arise from corruption
- 1:10:10situations, that it might happen that there are no situations that can undermine credibility.
- 1:10:16I would say to you that their level of tolerance towards society and the
- 1:10:24Government can be maintained to the extent. I also repeat that of the alternative
- 1:10:30forces or depositors you do not have say new figures, and what there is
- 1:10:38is with a speech that people widely rejected last year and that, if they
- 1:10:45are among these new figures more of the same. I believe that if Loff
- 1:10:51has to prove that he can lead a political project, that is, and
- 1:11:00this seems to me to be a great challenge. That' s why I
- 1:11:04told you earlier about the need to expand its political volume and its consensus and
- 1:11:13alians with other sectors of Peronism. To talk about the latter is little short
- 1:11:18of them already or will still be long overdue. He' ll be in
- 1:11:21purple, but he' s bringing the union leaders closer. There is nothing
- 1:11:25very verdant, but some approach to support or that I have a radical coffee,
- 1:11:30that is to say the after you can bring it to a good port,
- 1:11:34but an intention clearly what you say is having, I do not say
- 1:11:38later you can fail it or you can turn it out bad or not.
- 1:11:38No. I' m telling you, I' m talking, but I
- 1:11:44think you still need to. I think this is a long road, a
- 1:11:47building ctechno and I repeat you again. It seems to me that you have
- 1:11:53to break the internal inbreeding that you have on me. It seems to me
- 1:11:56that it has to open up a little more and not just continue to generate
- 1:12:04these possibilities of generating its volume just as a very small group. This seems
- 1:12:08to me to be where I am seeing the difficulty, the difficulty of Axalis
- 1:12:14loves and achieves. I would say to you that he is a figure who
- 1:12:17can, undoubtedly, on a record, in totally different ideas from those that
- 1:12:25the national government is proposing today, occupy a very important space. Like other
- 1:12:30justice leaders who may also have intentions, I don' t mean, I
- 1:12:38think because you see him, for example, to see I' ve got
- 1:12:40him close. You think I' m wrong again. We are thinking of
- 1:12:44Santa voice that jar cries without great support. Then probably go for the re
- 1:12:49- election in Córdoba than for a presidential candidacy. I can' t be.
- 1:12:54It may be, but it is also true that we must see how
- 1:12:59we are going to develop politics. The dynamics of politics are very changing and
- 1:13:05more so in countries as in our own. I say I also give you
- 1:13:09another name, the former Governor of San Juan, today the national senator.
- 1:13:14I say there are people who are eager to occupy important positions, positions or
- 1:13:20spaces of power within justicialism or within radicalism. In the figure of Maxi Pullaro
- 1:13:27is a figure today with national projection. We must also see how he is
- 1:13:32doing in his possession Yes, yes, of course Government. We' re
- 1:13:38talking about forgiveness. When we talk, talk to you about a girl,
- 1:13:41that you speak another name that I will tell you that you would also have
- 1:13:46to see it as in a province also very difficult. It' s Rogelio
- 1:13:50Frigerio A man, let' s say, would tell you from the point
- 1:13:55of view of last name in politics. He' s a political patrician.
- 1:13:57The last name of Frigerius seems to me to see him in the future.
- 1:14:00If you do things right, you can have a good future. And I
- 1:14:02don' t think so. I don' t know if by the twenty
- 1:14:06- seventh year, but let' s say the governor of Chubut, thirty
- 1:14:16- six- year- old boy tower, thirty- seven years old,
- 1:14:17is beginning to appear. It also seems to me that there are spaces,
- 1:14:21there are figures. Let' s say, what I' m seeing is
- 1:14:25that it' s very hard to go back. Fernando seems to them that
- 1:14:29it is very clear more believe and want. You can present at least one
- 1:14:31executive, a lesson in chance, by a legislative, for doing something,
- 1:14:35but the executive and noblely has not so much to conclude mass in that not
- 1:14:41mass, I think neither and brand would be seen, let' s say,
- 1:14:45is within the limits, even though it is a subfifty. But there
- 1:14:49is figure, another very interesting figure, that you also have to see later
- 1:14:55how you can manage despite having lost in Córdoba capital. But the bloc president
- 1:15:01of radicalism, Rodrigo de Loredo, is another figure, let us say that
- 1:15:06it will also be very important, at least in the coming political scenario.
- 1:15:13I think there are many names that are part of one of a change that
- 1:15:19is taking place, another leader of the next Silvina, the Penatos. I
- 1:15:27mean, there' s federal change inside, Mr Massot. Let' s
- 1:15:32say people who come with a lot of experience, young people, people,
- 1:15:38let' s say they know the state that seems to me to start generating
- 1:15:45spaces, because this opened it Miley, the appearance of Mila and as President
- 1:15:49of the Art of Republic, was like a before and after Carlos, thank
- 1:15:56you very much, as always thanks to you chau Chao, Big Abrazo Carlos,
- 1:16:00brother here of plural construction. Well, I' ll go back a
- 1:16:01couple of minutes and then Chi' ll go with the final audio of friend
- 1:16:06Rockman, who already spent one of the Tuesdays we spent today, we'
- 1:16:10ll pass. The second. Someone told me to share with him the ideology
- 1:16:14of milé and it is all the books that mention the books that have to
- 1:16:15be handed over to the provinces. I believe that the provinces emotions of the
- 1:16:18need an obligation, that the nation removed all the lighthouses to the provinces and
- 1:16:23that we strained from education, from the police, etcetera, etcetera. And
- 1:16:27well, the problem we' re going to do. Well to see in
- 1:16:30my law or the series of books, we already talked about the culture of
- 1:16:32welfare that corresponded to him. Yes, it is, this is the subject
- 1:16:40of the topic somewhere. Defending I once again that he got interested in trying
- 1:16:45you ad wrote the memenist ideology and less in a chore when you defend him
- 1:16:48is a liqua and made him a squirt and the truth that you have to
- 1:16:53think that you are in this in which Milla saw all once more, if
- 1:16:55we are the words, that he had the Nua tail, expression sun sun
- 1:16:59and that he didn' t have the or the chis fire it. While
- 1:17:01I believe that, I think you get a lot less photo. Not then
- 1:17:05you say you have to abominate. They don' t come from populist personalism,
- 1:17:10but broad add one to the Peronist. Let' s say no and
- 1:17:13all good cir now. If you saw the message in the first one'
- 1:17:15s networks. In addition, he had to work with the President himself in
- 1:17:18the work of Nile Ai. It wasn' t a campaign effort, a
- 1:17:20cup, the torvera, the message of government- thioning, self- same.
- 1:17:26It' s the times we have to live there. That is why
- 1:17:28we have the debate. With Gustado Ferrari. He tells me to prepare messages
- 1:17:30for the sectional boys for three seconds and I agree. We' ve got
- 1:17:33to get there. He' s an electorate everywhere. I can be critical
- 1:17:36of how to vote. People in informed networks, who are what they don
- 1:17:41' t know. It' s my turn to shoot Brazil. By the
- 1:17:44way, live family, not taramide and otherwise, but the government funded the
- 1:17:47universities and gave him money. He didn' t give me money for ten
- 1:17:50or twenty percent of Hilton expenses, toilet paper, light ballot, and I
- 1:17:55didn' t pay for the eighty ninety percent that are teaching wages and a
- 1:17:58hundred that we don' t know. Let' s say, but it
- 1:18:00' s the level of information. Putting just one patient is handled so much,
- 1:18:04and then I say there is also a responsibility. Why come law,
- 1:18:08why else for choice, that was not good at anything and was choice of
- 1:18:11view at that time. The prefran of this in medracula I do not know
- 1:18:15what you like, at least the installan of Le liked it less because we
- 1:18:17have rrished in favor of the vote in white duea, and not for taking
- 1:18:21away the responsibility once more much. Unfortunately, facehomo critically, but I say
- 1:18:26it also has to do with the show of the responsibility of society that I
- 1:18:29made a Kisner, a menem, a matrion of the rúa or a millen
- 1:18:33to see what we said with the caplet and corn that prepare the basis to
- 1:18:38see the so positive of being win. So, that' s why he
- 1:18:41didn' t like personal property. Well, he had critics. It'
- 1:18:43s not possible. I read in letter pe for example, the building.
- 1:18:45It is progressive to record the middle class while benefiting the owners of the highest
- 1:18:48estates with the dissolution of personal property. Then, when the government chooses not
- 1:18:53to touch the extensions that beat sectors such as the electronics industry, the game
- 1:18:57is buried and technological unicorns charged free the phone, among so many other special
- 1:19:01gimnes that account for between two and four percent of the FBIL, according to
- 1:19:05how it is considered, it is when the Judicial House will continue eternally to
- 1:19:10free itself from paying profits. And that issue doesn' t even exist.
- 1:19:13Okay. There, there we have it. Okay. The Cursed Argentina of
- 1:19:18extremes, as I say to you, does not or see zincuenso pineristo see
- 1:19:23the nation more than tor liver faccio, terms or politicians, not of the
- 1:19:28rapprochement to Ruch in part and I now and Iran and others is not now
- 1:19:33being or that of cans carnal facilities again with the United States. Before making
- 1:19:38money, being a businessman, was being corrupt, was badly seen will be
- 1:19:43entrepreneur now on the other side, are all lazy. Whatever you, that
- 1:19:45is, when you were, we got feminism and that it was coming in
- 1:19:48a corruption that was wrong, had to learn that nothing but going to work
- 1:19:50or being an employee. Now everyone who works in the state, everyone who
- 1:19:55is not libertarian and complains is lazy. They haven' t seen my pass
- 1:19:59in re that I think, but you gave me. I don' t
- 1:20:01know what left- handed here. I don' t have anything here.
- 1:20:03As some deuros the Democrat to Ocasio I have biology, they preyed on laziness
- 1:20:10like you only put yourself to this government or crepitazo. I say good there
- 1:20:14at the extremes and here we are from a President who gains glory from having
- 1:20:17faced. I think I did it at Red' s abigo. I'
- 1:20:20m not telling you the other day the biggest fit in the uste. Well,
- 1:20:25I' ve said all your cape too. We' re gaining Argentina
- 1:20:28' s power. We' re number one on bord my law is the
- 1:20:30best president in the world. He told Tusapo where totup cap We' re
- 1:20:34leaving now. Yeah, I fire them with Rofman' s V- second
- 1:20:38audio seman an. We meet here Tuesday at 2: 00 p m and
- 1:20:42thank you that the most, Juan, Gracias, Silvia, we are seeing
- 1:20:44each other. It' s going to a second topic to address. It
- 1:20:48has to do with the treatment from today Monday, of the legal norm that
- 1:20:55deals with equal the Congress that is treated or initially in deputies with favorable dispatch
- 1:21:00of the majority of the members of the commissions that analyzed the law and that
- 1:21:09includes numerous items of great importance for the economic activity of that year. I
- 1:21:18will highlight some of the points that will be analyzed in the law, I
- 1:21:25am the monso omnibus movement, because I had more than six hundred articles and
- 1:21:30wanted to have been reduced only to more than one hundred. The fundamental problem
- 1:21:36addressed by the project is to authorize the executive branch to take extraordinary measures,
- 1:21:45even granting exceptional powers to the presidency in that year, exceptional measures that were
- 1:21:53drastically cut from those initially raised, but that accompany some of the prisoners of
- 1:21:59deterioration of the economic activity that we were seeing in the first part. It
- 1:22:05essentially authorizes the President of the Nation, in his extraordinary powers, to close
- 1:22:13activities relating to State management, thereby sanctifying its members and legalizing or giving force
- 1:22:17of law to the norm that most affects the economic activity of the point of
- 1:22:25view of construction, which is the cessation of public works. With that argument,
- 1:22:34that public works generate corruption, we are witnessing a word of the investment
- 1:22:41of the national state, which affects many works in management. This is the
- 1:22:47first time that a legal regulation has intended to interrupt investment in public works in
- 1:22:56full. That is why, by the way, together with the very strong
- 1:23:00cut to the payment to the judges. The government can talk about super skilled
- 1:23:05prosecutor, but he' s a super skillful fake liar. It' s
- 1:23:10like a family decides to start saving. I' m going from a time
- 1:23:15when I didn' t do it and solve it. They don' t
- 1:23:17eat, they don' t eat, they don' t spend food,
- 1:23:20they save. This is the same thing. There is a legacy of fiscal
- 1:23:26defice that tends to be eliminated with erroneous arguments as well, which wants to
- 1:23:30reach the super skillful crystal in the shortest time possible and fundamental expenses and investments
- 1:23:39of the State are interrupted that make it impossible to maintain them for a long
- 1:23:42time. For example, do not provide arguments to retirees in the proportion that
- 1:23:47increases the rate of inflation. I' ve been cut off by a third
- 1:23:51of my retirement. In terms of purchasing power to advance on the spending for
- 1:24:00the interior of the country for the provinces, cutting by more than eighty percent
- 1:24:04the deliveries of funds and, above all, cancelling the continuity of the public
- 1:24:11work, which then makes the expenses that actually had to be made in a
- 1:24:16normal economy by the State to zero And then it is easy to offer to
- 1:24:24exceed when the expenses return to normality. No doubt it' s difficult for
- 1:24:29the public to happen again. Even the Presidency has just announced that in April,
- 1:24:33a speech it gave yesterday just announced that it will see again defil,
- 1:24:38as they will pay for the public energy that was stopped paying in that first
- 1:24:44quarter. But there is a special article of the law that is going to
- 1:24:53be discussed today that is called incentib already receive incentives for large investments and contains
- 1:25:00a whole series of extraordinary rules that allow the State to encourage large investments in
- 1:25:12mining, basically in productive experiences that are developed around the implementation of extractive activities
- 1:25:26of all kinds of agrarian, etc. They are investments where the investor is
- 1:25:30not asked the origin of the resources and have already been strongly questioned by industrial
- 1:25:36glory, because they say that new investors are given benefits, that those who
- 1:25:42are now normally making investments in the manufacturing sector do not have it and then
- 1:25:47compete unfavorably. And, worse, an objection Mongelia del Jaffi, which is
- 1:25:56the international financial action group, chooses the studies and decisions to be made in
- 1:26:03the face of money and drug trafficking, especially that question the mechanism included in
- 1:26:11the law, because it does not find out the origin of the money used.
- 1:26:15It' s supposed to be used in those big investments. The national
- 1:26:24entrepreneur also strongly explains this mechanism that is to be adopted, because it enters
- 1:26:31into unfair competition with what is produced internally and replaces or its plant investments in
- 1:26:39brand within the national territory as a result of domestic savings. Plural construction led
- 1:26:48by Fernando Mauri by Radio Trentopic