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The Kenny Report | 7 April · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to another week.
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Speaker 3: Here on the Kenny Report, Donald Trump reggs havoc on
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Speaker 3: global stock markets and on our federal election. Peter Dutton
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Speaker 3: confronts worrying opinion polls with a U turn and a
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Speaker 3: campaign reset. Anthony Alberezi hands out more taxpayers money to
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Speaker 3: paper over his national electricity self harm and the toxic
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Speaker 3: effect of electric vehicles and battery manufacturing on the environment.
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Speaker 3: Has even Britain eases back from the ev push. All
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Speaker 3: that and the campaign assessment with Gemyton Uni and Caroline.
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Speaker 1: Gurusso let's get cracking.
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Speaker 3: You want to know how fanciful our federal election campaign is.
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Speaker 3: You want to know how disconnected the Albanesi labor government
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Speaker 3: is from economic reality. Just think about what's been happening
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Speaker 3: in the past twenty four hours. Global markets are in
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Speaker 3: a tail spin as economic confidence heads south because of
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's war on free trade.
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Speaker 1: The Trump tariff onslaught.
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Speaker 3: Has dramatically undermined the global trading system, with tariffs imposed
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Speaker 3: on virtually all imports into the US, by far the
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Speaker 3: largest economy in the world, Trillions of dollars have been
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Speaker 3: wiped off company values in Australia today. It was a bloodbath.
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Speaker 3: Just about every Australian is a loser already through our
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Speaker 3: superannuation funds, and it might get substantially worse, as some
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Speaker 3: experts claim a US recession is now more likely than not.
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Speaker 3: This all exposes the vulnerability of our trade reliant economy,
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Speaker 3: where the budget is in structural deficit, with Labour's own
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Speaker 3: budget forecast telling us that the federal government will continue
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Speaker 3: to spend more than it earns for at least the
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Speaker 3: next ten years. All this is happening while Labour's obsession
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Speaker 3: with pleasing the United Nations by plotting a path to
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Speaker 3: net zero by twenty fifty has turned our energy.
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Speaker 1: Rich nation into an energy poor one.
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Speaker 3: Our dramatically inflated power prices now sawing to record levels,
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Speaker 3: of course, acts like an internal tariff on everything we
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Speaker 3: produce and everything we spend. So in these dire circumstances,
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Speaker 3: what does the Albaneasi Labor government decide to do.
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Speaker 1: In the second week of the election campaign.
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Speaker 3: They've decided to splurge another two point three billion dollars
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Speaker 3: of borrowed taxpayers money on another handout, this time subsidizing
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Speaker 3: household batteries. Yeah, Labour promised it cheaper power and have
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Speaker 3: given us the most expensive electricity of all time. And
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Speaker 3: instead of coming up with a plan to generate more electricity,
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Speaker 3: more reliably at a lower cost, they're going to spend
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Speaker 3: more of your money making some batteries cheaper for some people.
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Speaker 4: These can power your remote control or your kitch choice,
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Speaker 4: a dish can power your house.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well if only it was so simple. Hey, Home
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Speaker 3: batteries are very expensive. They might set you back more
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Speaker 3: than ten thousand dollars, so only the well off can
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Speaker 3: afford them, even with Labour's subsidies. This means that some
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Speaker 3: taxpayers will see their hard earned taxes used to help
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Speaker 3: other people get batteries. But even then, they all need
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Speaker 3: to be connected to the grid, of course, because they'll
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Speaker 3: need power when the batteries run flat when there's not
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Speaker 3: enough sunshine to recharge them. And Labour still has no
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Speaker 3: plan to make that power cheaper, except to keep going
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Speaker 3: with the same renewables push that's made it so expensive already.
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Speaker 1: What are shambles?
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Speaker 3: This is a government driven by net zero zelotry borrowing
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Speaker 3: more money to play around with batteries when the real
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Speaker 3: problem is a lack of reliable, affordable electricity generation, a
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Speaker 3: government that won't stand up to China on national security
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Speaker 3: but will subsidize Chinese batteries with our tax dollars. The
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Speaker 3: trouble is there's too little focus on all this reality.
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Speaker 3: Of course, much of the media, especially the taxpayer funded media,
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Speaker 3: has no interest in interrogating these issues. Instead, they go
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Speaker 3: along with the net zero zelotry. They push climate and
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Speaker 3: energy propaganda rather than the facts. So what should be
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Speaker 3: central in the election campaign is barely a footnote. They
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Speaker 3: prefer to run labor scare campaigns, pretending that a demand
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Speaker 3: for Canberra public servants to turn up at work is
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Speaker 3: a broad assault on working from home, and this has
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Speaker 3: pushed Peter Dutton now into backing down.
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Speaker 1: On his own policy.
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Speaker 5: I think we've made a mistake in relation to this policy,
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Speaker 5: and I think it's important that we say that and
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Speaker 5: recognize it. And our intention always was to make sure
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Speaker 5: that where taxpayers are working hard and their money is
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Speaker 5: being spent to pay wages, it's been spenefficiently.
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Speaker 3: Yet now that is the opposition leader on the back foot,
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Speaker 3: and politics, like cricket, is a contest. You need to
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Speaker 3: play on the front foot as often as possible. Labor
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Speaker 3: managed to smear this policy as being Trumpian and that
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Speaker 3: cutting public servant numbers too is Trumpian.
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Speaker 1: This is nonsense.
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Speaker 3: Even New South Wales Labor Premier Chris Mins is demanding
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Speaker 3: that his public servants turn up at the office. This
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Speaker 3: policy agenda does not belong to Donald Trump. Making good
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Speaker 3: use of taxpayers money is fundamental to centrist politics and
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Speaker 3: the Coalition should say so. The trouble for the coalition
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Speaker 3: is that it just hasn't been on the front foot
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Speaker 3: enough in this campaign, and the coalition lacks an attack
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Speaker 3: dog too. The good news for Dutton is that it's
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Speaker 3: early days. No one has cast a vote yet. They
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Speaker 3: get to riggle on soon because they'll be voting in
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Speaker 3: just over a week actually, but I reckon. Most people
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Speaker 3: are not even engaged in this campaign yet. And the
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Speaker 3: other good news is that Labour's polling is still where
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Speaker 3: it was at the last election, the worst in its history.
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Speaker 3: So there's no love for Labor, no eagerness from voters
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Speaker 3: to stick with Labor.
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Speaker 1: It's almost as.
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Speaker 3: If voters are begging the Coalition to give them a
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Speaker 3: compelling alternative. They want a clear reason to vote for
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Speaker 3: the Coalition. And that's what Dutton needs to do. Give
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Speaker 3: them a strong argument as to why they need to
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Speaker 3: vote for him. And it's not that hard because Australia
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Speaker 3: is clearly heading in the wrong direction under Labor. We're
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Speaker 3: facing perilous times with a weak, woke and wobbly Labor government.
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Speaker 3: Dutton needs to attack Labor instead of defending his nuclear plan,
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Speaker 3: Dutton needs to attack those opposing it. Ask whether Australia
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Speaker 3: can afford not to have a domestic nuclear energy industry
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Speaker 3: if we want energy security, a modern economy and strong
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Speaker 3: national security. Instead of pretending net zero is achievable, Dutton
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Speaker 3: and the Coalition need to point out how Labour's net
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Speaker 3: zero obsession is destroying our economy with a renewables plan
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Speaker 3: that can't possibly deliver net zero. Instead of defending itself
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Speaker 3: against a tax over medycare, Dutton should ask how voters
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Speaker 3: are as voters, how medi care can possibly survive long
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Speaker 3: term If Labor just keeps spending money without any plans
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Speaker 3: to get the budget back into surplus, without a sustainable budget, Medicare, education, welfare.
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Speaker 1: And national security, well they're all in danger.
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Speaker 3: Of course, Dutton and the Coalition need to talk about
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Speaker 3: the cost of living, the housing crisis and out of
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Speaker 3: control immigration. They can't talk about these issues and then
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Speaker 3: plans to fix.
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Speaker 1: Them too much.
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Speaker 3: This is what matters, and the Coalition have failed to
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Speaker 3: get the debate onto these topics often enough so far.
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Speaker 3: The campaign so far is a damp squib. Half the
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Speaker 3: electorate even noticed it, as I mentioned, and that's just
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Speaker 3: what Label wants.
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Speaker 1: Alban Easy and Labor want the.
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Speaker 3: Campaign to drift along with Easter and the ANZAC Day
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Speaker 3: Long weekend, distracting people from the real debates so that
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Speaker 3: they can slip through with as little scrutiny as possible.
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Speaker 3: What Labor does not want is a full frontal attack
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Speaker 3: from the Coalition about how this country is rudderless in
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Speaker 3: turbulent times. The last thing Label wants is a debate
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Speaker 3: of substance about the future of this country. Dutton needs
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Speaker 3: to focus on this campaign like his life depends on it,
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Speaker 3: because his political life probably does, and the future of
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Speaker 3: the country certainly does. Tomorrow Night's People's Forum is his
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Speaker 3: big chance to zero in on the core issues and
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Speaker 3: create some momentum in his campaign. Dunton needs to make
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albin easy, publicly accountable for what labor is doing
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Speaker 3: to this country. And just on the election, I want
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Speaker 3: to revisit something we showed you last Thursday. It was
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Speaker 3: an unfortunate little accident, ordinarily not very important at all.
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Speaker 1: Have a look photos with everyone.
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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, he fell over, he fell off the stage.
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Speaker 1: Thankfully he was okay. We understand he would have been
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Speaker 1: embarrassed and wanted to play it down. But we all
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Speaker 1: saw it. And then he said this.
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Speaker 6: I stepped back one step. I didn't fall off the stage,
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Speaker 6: just one leg went down, but I I was sweet.
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Speaker 1: Really, come on, mate, we saw it.
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Speaker 3: We saw you fall, You fell off the stage, we
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Speaker 3: saw you tumble, reach out and fall, and then we
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Speaker 3: saw you climb back up.
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Speaker 1: It's okay.
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Speaker 3: We've all fallen over at some stage, but the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister couldn't be honest about it.
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Speaker 2: I stepped back one step.
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Speaker 6: I didn't fall off the stage, just one leg went down,
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Speaker 6: but I was sweet, cheapest.
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Speaker 3: If you can't be honest about something as obvious as that,
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Speaker 3: what else are you spinning us? I mean, at the moment,
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Speaker 3: the two biggest statements of the election campaign are I
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Speaker 3: will cut your electricity bills two hundred and seventy five
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Speaker 3: dollars a year by twenty twenty five, and I did
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Speaker 3: not fall off that stage. It's like Albo has turned
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Speaker 3: into George Costanzo.
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Speaker 7: Jerry.
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Speaker 1: Just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.
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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, sometimes habitual liars can convince themselves of just
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Speaker 3: about anything, but surely they can't fool the rest of us.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the horrendous environmental cost of electric vehicles.
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Speaker 3: You've heard the spin about them being the clean, green alternative,
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Speaker 3: but a stunning report on Channel seven last night revealed
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Speaker 3: a very different picture. It focused on a massive Chinese
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Speaker 3: nickel plant in Indonesia central to churning out the lithium
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Speaker 3: ion batteries for EV manufacturing.
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Speaker 2: Until finally we glimpse a massive dark smudge on the horizon.
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Speaker 2: You can smell Morawali Industrial Park before you see. It's
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Speaker 2: a snickle plant in Indonesia, pumps more than fifty thousand
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Speaker 2: tons of CO two into the atmosphere every day, creating
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Speaker 2: its own toxic microclimate, all for those environmentally friendly electric vehicles.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a pretty ugly story, but let's provide some context.
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Speaker 3: The net zero push is a scam. As you know,
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Speaker 3: often the products and policies pushed to promote net zero
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Speaker 3: create more clear cut environmental damage than the emissions they
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Speaker 3: supposedly save. We've shown you renewable energy and transmission projects
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Speaker 3: right around this country that bear that out, clearing of
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Speaker 3: bush land, destruction of environments, and even the disruption of
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Speaker 3: fishing grounds and coastlines. Then, of course there's the scientific,
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Speaker 3: engineering and economic reality that net zero cannot be reached
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Speaker 3: by We don't have the technology to do that. The
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Speaker 3: scientists and the engineers admit that when you question them. So, really,
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Speaker 3: net zero by twenty fifty is the great lie of
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Speaker 3: modern politics, certainly the great lie of our current election campaign,
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Speaker 3: with both sides pretending they can do it. The coalition,
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Speaker 3: I suppose has some chance because they're embracing nuclear and
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Speaker 3: you'll never do it without nuclear. Even the International Energy
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Speaker 3: Agency says that. But the point here is there are
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Speaker 3: a lot of people making a lot of money out
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Speaker 3: of convincing people that they're saving the planet.
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Speaker 1: And China is at the heart of this.
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Speaker 3: China's making a motza out of all of this, even
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Speaker 3: while their own emissions grow so rapidly and by such
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Speaker 3: large amounts that they render what the rest of us
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Speaker 3: do as meaningless. And of course our governments, especially the
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Speaker 3: current Albanesi Labor government and its climate Minister Chris Bowen, well,
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Speaker 3: they love passing laws and offering tax incentives and handing
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Speaker 3: out taxpayers money to promote evs and lithium ion.
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Speaker 1: Batteries for homes as well.
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Speaker 3: So what the Channel seven Spotlight programs Liam Bartlett showed
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Speaker 3: us last night was not only worrying when it comes
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Speaker 3: to the environment, but it's also politically embarrassing for the
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Speaker 3: net zero zealots.
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Speaker 2: Our footage on the ground and from the air is
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Speaker 2: chilling proof of how Chinese companies are allowed to flout
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Speaker 2: environmental regulations. They've dumped tens of millions of tons of
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Speaker 2: waste and pollution, wiping out a once thriving fishing industry
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Speaker 2: that used to provide full employment. That's forced locals to
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Speaker 2: work at the industrial park, where they're treated almost as
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Speaker 2: slave labor and condemned to live in the squalid slums
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Speaker 2: surrounding the complex. Remember, all this human misery and environmental
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Speaker 2: devastation is directly caused by the electric vehicle industry.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, what a shocker, And the story also focused on
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Speaker 3: the horrible work practices, how workers have been killed and injured,
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Speaker 3: how they were routinely exploited in the name of battery production,
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Speaker 3: normally something that labor might rail against. And the story
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Speaker 3: showed how all this had pushed our nickel industry in Australia,
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Speaker 3: where we employ safe and environmentally sustainable practices. Well, it's
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Speaker 3: been pushed to the brink. But today the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: said he knew nothing.
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Speaker 8: I have not been informed about that show, but so
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Speaker 8: i'll answer it when I have a briefing.
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Speaker 1: Well, I can't comment on a show that I haven't clear.
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Speaker 1: If I can't comment on a show that.
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Speaker 3: I haven't seen, Yeah, old mister, not responsible again. But
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Speaker 3: Bartlett had put the issues to the Climate and Energy
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Speaker 3: Minister without much luck.
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Speaker 2: Minister, you're happy to you're happy to see the nickel
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Speaker 2: coming in here in these electric vehicles.
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Speaker 4: I think I've made very clear.
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Speaker 1: My privilege is Australia Nichols.
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Speaker 2: But it's not happening, Minister.
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Speaker 1: It's not happening. With respect, it is happening.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not happening. We're not making the batteries in Australia.
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Speaker 3: But have a look at this because Bowen then cut
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Speaker 3: off that media conference and he refused Bartlett's request for
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Speaker 3: a separate interview, and one bloke intervened to keep Channel
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Speaker 3: seven away from Chris Bowen.
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Speaker 1: Hey mate, I don't appreciate that.
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Speaker 2: I don't appreciate that I'm talking to a minister of
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Speaker 2: the crowd. Who is this guy?
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Speaker 1: Do you think you're gonna get aywhere?
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Speaker 2: But who is this guy?
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Speaker 1: Just I want to just help him, just separate.
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Speaker 2: And who is he to step between the media and
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Speaker 2: a minister of the crowd. Let everybody else talk out.
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Speaker 1: You go to my face.
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Speaker 7: You want to do it?
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Speaker 6: You want to do it?
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Speaker 1: On came do you want to do it? Only really
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Speaker 1: want to do this? Yeah.
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Speaker 3: It turns out this bloke was an electric vehicles zealot,
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Speaker 3: calls himself the electric Viking. More like, Heygar, the horrible
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Speaker 3: I reckon and all this just tends to confirm what
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Speaker 3: most of us fear, and that is that the net
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Speaker 3: zero crowd are not interested in accountability, not interested in
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Speaker 3: the environment, and absolutely obsessed with politics and their ideological crusade.
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Speaker 3: And leading the charge is the Albaneze government and its
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Speaker 3: climate minister Chris Bowen.
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Speaker 9: Today we're announcing the next round of funding, twenty million bonds,
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Speaker 9: five hundred more evs, electric vehicles for whiteshair drivers that
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Speaker 9: produced emissions, produce their bills and are good across the world.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good across the board.
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Speaker 3: Hey, well, yes, unless you care about the environment, or
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Speaker 3: perhaps concerned about workers' rights, or unless you want taxpayers
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Speaker 3: money spent Wisely. We've asked Chris for an interview again
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Speaker 3: and he said no again. Let's catch up now with
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Speaker 3: Shadohaomer Affairs Minister James Patterson, who joins us from Sydney
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Speaker 3: campaign spokesperson.
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Speaker 1: Also, I should mention James, thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 3: It must be pretty horrible to be a campaign spokesperson
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Speaker 3: when your leader has to backflip on such a central policy.
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Speaker 3: Why has Peter Darton decided to backflip on the working
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Speaker 3: from home promise? Simply because labor have told lies about it?
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Speaker 10: Chris, it's a privilege and an honor to be campaign
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Speaker 10: spokesman as part of Peter Dutton's team because he's got
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Speaker 10: a plan to get our country back on track. And
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Speaker 10: the truth is, Chris, as you know, in your long
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Speaker 10: media career, you've had some interludes working in politics. Politicians
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Speaker 10: and political parties don't always get it right, and there's
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Speaker 10: a couple of options when that happens. You can persist
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Speaker 10: and continue to pursue your policy in the face of
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Speaker 10: the feedback and the evidence that you received, or you
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Speaker 10: can own up to it, take response ability and change course.
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Speaker 10: And that's what Peter Dutton has done today and I
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Speaker 10: think that reflects very well on him. He is a
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Speaker 10: leader who will listen, who will respond, who understands the
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Speaker 10: challenges facing Australians and will act on those, unlike our competitor,
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Speaker 10: the Prime Minister, who's never got anything wrong in his
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Speaker 10: entire life, has never conceded any error as a perfect
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Speaker 10: prime minister. And I think Australians are saying through that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but your policy was essentially that there's too many
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Speaker 3: public servants in Canberra who are not working at the office,
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Speaker 3: not turning up at the officer, working entirely from home.
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Speaker 3: This is consistent with the new South Wales Labor Premier
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Speaker 3: Chris Mins, who says public servants need to get back
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Speaker 3: to the office. You know, it's not a one size
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Speaker 3: fits all, but they need to return the onus to
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Speaker 3: turning up at the office. But it sounds like Peter
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Speaker 3: Upton still believes in that The Coalition still believes that's
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Speaker 3: the right policy.
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Speaker 1: But because Labor have tried to turn it into a.
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Speaker 3: Broader assault against working from home everywhere, you're just giving
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Speaker 3: up the fight.
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Speaker 10: We are certainly right that Labor did wearized this and
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Speaker 10: was running a baseless scare campaign that this would somehow
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Speaker 10: affect workers in private industry when it was never envisaged
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Speaker 10: to As you said, it was correctly only aimed at
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Speaker 10: Canberra based public servants. But the truth is, Chris, that
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Speaker 10: that can be managed sensibly by management within the departments
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Speaker 10: on a case by case, if their employees individually who
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Speaker 10: are taking the mickey as we've heard some stories of,
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Speaker 10: that can be managed. It doesn't need a public service
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Speaker 10: wide policy requiring everyone to be back in the office
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Speaker 10: because the truth is that people can work efficiently flexibly.
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Speaker 10: There are some people who are highly productive at home
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Speaker 10: or in a hybrid environment where they come into the
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Speaker 10: workplace sometimes and they work from home, and we don't
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Speaker 10: want to stand in a way of that.
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Speaker 3: All right, We now in the middle of the election campaign,
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Speaker 3: are in incredibly uncertain global economic terms. Thanks to Donald
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Speaker 3: Trump his imposition of tariffs right across the board have
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Speaker 3: actually triggered this traumatic response, trillions of dollars shed for
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Speaker 3: global markets, increasing the potential for a US recession, possibly
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Speaker 3: a global recession.
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Speaker 1: This is the last thing you need in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the campaign, isn't it.
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Speaker 10: Well, Chris, we already knew that we're in an uncertain
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Speaker 10: strategic environment, but we're now in a very uncertain economic climate.
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Speaker 10: And the question that Australians will have to answer in
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Speaker 10: two weeks time with early voting, or four weeks time
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Speaker 10: if they wait till election day is who do they
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Speaker 10: trust to help navigate this uncertain world. Do they want
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Speaker 10: a strong leader like Peter Dutton who's worked as assistant
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Speaker 10: Treasurer to Peter Costello and the Howard government who's been
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Speaker 10: a successful Minister for Home Affairs and Minister for Defense,
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Speaker 10: or that I want a week prime minister like Anthony
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Speaker 10: Alberanzi who's caused nothing but economic pain over the last
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Speaker 10: three years with his cost of living crisis, and it
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Speaker 10: was weak and not across the details on major national
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Speaker 10: security issues, whether it's the People's Liberation Army navys live
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Speaker 10: firing exercises in the Tasman Sea, whether it's a Chinese
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Speaker 10: research vessel circumnavigating Australia, and whether or not it's the
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Speaker 10: Border Force or the Defense Force that's tracking them, or
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Speaker 10: indeed whether or not it is the Port of Darwin.
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Speaker 10: Where he makes a rushed announcement without the details and
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Speaker 10: I can't answer basic questions.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, my next question was going to be about Darwin.
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Speaker 1: It is extraordinary.
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Speaker 3: I've called out Anthony the Albanezi for his absolute weakness
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Speaker 3: over those live firing exercises where he was actually making
22:20
Speaker 3: excuse of excuses for.
22:22
Speaker 1: China rather than challenging it.
22:24
Speaker 3: He had a similar disposition when it came to the
22:27
Speaker 3: research vessel or the spy ship. Yet he's followed the
22:31
Speaker 3: coalition lead on the Port of Darwin. Now, what are
22:34
Speaker 3: you saying he's got wrong about that decision.
22:39
Speaker 10: Well, if you listen to the interview that he conducted
22:41
Speaker 10: on Friday afternoon with ABC Darwin when he got wind
22:45
Speaker 10: that we were about to make an announcement on this
22:47
Speaker 10: the next morning and he dialed in a hurry, it
22:49
Speaker 10: is an extraordinary interview. It is an incoherent interview and
22:52
Speaker 10: even if you haven't listened to that, you could have
22:53
Speaker 10: seen his press conference over the weekend, where he was
22:56
Speaker 10: peppered with questions about this from journalists, entirely reasonable question
23:00
Speaker 10: It's like, when and how did you come to this decision,
23:02
Speaker 10: Why have you made this decision? What are some of
23:04
Speaker 10: the details around it. He was totally and utterly incapable
23:08
Speaker 10: of answering any of those questions. It couldn't have instilled
23:11
Speaker 10: confidence in anyone watching it, and I think it showed
23:14
Speaker 10: as the Prime Minister himself said, for him, this was
23:16
Speaker 10: a quote unquote political decision and this is about politics,
23:20
Speaker 10: whereas COMPETITUT and the Coalition this is about the national interest,
23:23
Speaker 10: this is about national security. We've said very clearly that
23:26
Speaker 10: it was a mistake for this lease to have been
23:28
Speaker 10: entered into with the land Bridge Group, and we're going
23:30
Speaker 10: to fix that mistake. We're going to make sure it
23:32
Speaker 10: returns to an Australian Government approved operator.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, James, appreciate it.
23:37
Speaker 3: Senator James Patterson there, who's the shadow Home Affairs Minister
23:41
Speaker 3: and the campaign spokesman for the coalition campaign. Let's go
23:45
Speaker 3: on to the economic debate now, and as I mentioned,
23:48
Speaker 3: global markets have been in a tailspin as economic confidence
23:51
Speaker 3: heads south because of Donald Trump's war on free trade.
23:55
Speaker 1: Let's see how our market's finished up his.
23:58
Speaker 11: Ed board savage sell off This morning, the market plunged
24:02
Speaker 11: about six and a half percent at the open.
24:03
Speaker 1: That wiped off roughly.
24:04
Speaker 11: One hundred and sixty billion dollars from the value of
24:06
Speaker 11: the top two hundred All sectors were in the red today.
24:09
Speaker 11: Energy stocks, banks, and mining companies all lost about five
24:12
Speaker 11: percent each. The market did recover somewhat in the afternoon.
24:16
Speaker 11: It finished down four point two to three percent. And
24:19
Speaker 11: it wasn't just the Aussie market the tumble today. Here's
24:21
Speaker 11: a look at the Asia Pacific.
24:23
Speaker 1: Now. The falls were so bad on Japan's.
24:25
Speaker 11: NICK, Taiwan's Weighted Index in South Korea's COSPY that all
24:29
Speaker 11: three exchanges hit their circuit breakers and were temporarily paused
24:32
Speaker 11: from trading for a short amount of time.
24:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I mess.
24:36
Speaker 3: Hey, let's bring in economists and policy analyst dmitriy Bernstein,
24:39
Speaker 3: who's with Eminent Advisory.
24:41
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Dmitry. First up, what's
24:45
Speaker 1: Trump out here? Now?
24:47
Speaker 3: I'd sort of I'd given him the benefit of the doubt,
24:50
Speaker 3: suggesting Trump's making a play to force everyone else to
24:53
Speaker 3: bring their tariffs down so that you'd end up with
24:55
Speaker 3: free trade. I was reading the Wall Street Journal, though
24:58
Speaker 3: I'm naive to believe that, suggesting that Trump actually loves
25:02
Speaker 3: the idea of tariff So it might be an old
25:04
Speaker 3: fashioned political tool or economic tool, but he loves them
25:08
Speaker 3: and he wants tariff's in place to restrict trade into
25:11
Speaker 3: the US.
25:12
Speaker 1: What do you think is going to play out here?
25:14
Speaker 1: What do you think his intention is?
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Speaker 4: He Chris, thanks for having me on your show, And
25:19
Speaker 4: yes he is. He does really believe this. He's been
25:22
Speaker 4: talking this cockamami nonsense for forty years. He's a true believer.
25:26
Speaker 4: He thinks that anyone, any nation that has a trade
25:29
Speaker 4: surplus with the United States is ripping off, ripping off America. Now,
25:34
Speaker 4: the problem with the with his tariff program is that
25:38
Speaker 4: what another word for tariff is is tax and all
25:41
Speaker 4: this is doing is increasing taxes on Americans. And if
25:45
Speaker 4: President Trump and his advisors thinks that he can increase
25:47
Speaker 4: he can tax Americans to greatness. Good luck with that,
25:50
Speaker 4: because it's never happened anywhere else in the world previously.
25:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
25:54
Speaker 3: And I would have thought the global markets and the
25:56
Speaker 3: plunging share markets, I thought that would have would have
26:00
Speaker 3: Donald Trump to reassess, because he loves to look at
26:02
Speaker 3: Wall Street as some sort of barometer of his success.
26:05
Speaker 1: But here's the president sticking by his guns. What's going
26:09
Speaker 1: to happen with the market. I can't tell you, but
26:11
Speaker 1: I can tell you how our country has gotten a
26:13
Speaker 1: lot strong.
26:14
Speaker 12: I don't want anything to go down, but sometimes you
26:17
Speaker 12: have to take medicine to fix something.
26:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he reckons this is the medicine to fix
26:23
Speaker 3: the joint Dimitri, tell me what this is going to
26:25
Speaker 3: mean for Australia. How exposed are we? And I suppose
26:28
Speaker 3: there's the silver lining that this increases the chances of
26:32
Speaker 3: interest rate cuts in the near term.
26:35
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, there are some who think that
26:38
Speaker 4: Donald Trump will feel the pressure of the climbing markets.
26:41
Speaker 4: I don't think this man is for turning. This is
26:43
Speaker 4: not a short term thing. But what it means for Australia.
26:47
Speaker 4: There are some commentators who think this might be a positive,
26:52
Speaker 4: a short term positive outcome for Australia because other nations
26:57
Speaker 4: might dump some of the some of their goods in
27:00
Speaker 4: Australia and you know, put some downward pressure on inflation.
27:04
Speaker 4: I don't think that's sustainable. I actually think this should
27:08
Speaker 4: be for our political leaders, the burning plank to push
27:12
Speaker 4: through the necessary economic reforms that have clogged Australia with
27:18
Speaker 4: this policy tax and regulation detritus for twenty five years
27:22
Speaker 4: and have delivered us declining standards of living, declining productivity
27:27
Speaker 4: and an economic quagmire. I mean, if you have a
27:30
Speaker 4: look at the last Commonwealth budget, nearly forty percent of
27:34
Speaker 4: the budget, or close to three hundred billion dollars will
27:37
Speaker 4: be spent on welfare, social security and housing. That's six
27:42
Speaker 4: times what we're spending on defense. That's it's an unsustainable
27:47
Speaker 4: position where we're traveling.
27:48
Speaker 3: And so always the risk that we'll be exposed and
27:51
Speaker 3: vulnerable when something happened, Well, guess what something's just happened.
27:55
Speaker 3: It's called Donald Trump and Tariff's. We'll see how we
27:58
Speaker 3: how vulnerable we are in the in the months and
28:01
Speaker 3: years to come. Thanks for joining us, Demetra, we'll catch
28:03
Speaker 3: up again. Dmitri Berstein there with Eminence Advisory. We're going
28:06
Speaker 3: to get to a break. On the other side, I
28:07
Speaker 3: want to talk about these polls. The latest News poll
28:10
Speaker 3: out deeply worrying for Peter Dutton. It's triggered a bit
28:12
Speaker 3: of a u turn on policy and a campaign reset. Well,
28:22
Speaker 3: it's now twenty six days until the election on May third,
28:25
Speaker 3: is going to seem like an eternity for some of us.
28:27
Speaker 1: The latest news.
28:28
Speaker 3: Poll shows us that Labor is ever so slightly increasing
28:32
Speaker 3: its lead over the Coalition.
28:34
Speaker 1: Here's our sky News reported it this morning.
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Speaker 7: The ALP's primary vote remains steady at thirty three percent.
28:41
Speaker 7: The Coalitions has dropped one point to thirty six. That's
28:43
Speaker 7: its lowest level since June twenty twenty four. One nation
28:47
Speaker 7: share increase by one point to seven percent, while the
28:50
Speaker 7: Greens and other candidates and that would include Teals, they
28:54
Speaker 7: remain at twelve. Labour has increased its lead on two
28:58
Speaker 7: party preferred fifty two to forty eight.
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Speaker 1: Now, the last time the ALP led the.
29:01
Speaker 7: Coalition by that margin was in May of twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the former Labor senator and expert number cruncher,
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Speaker 3: John Blackgood, to talk.
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Speaker 1: To you again.
29:12
Speaker 3: You really just a swift flick flick flipping of a
29:15
Speaker 3: percentage point between the Coalition and one Nation.
29:19
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean a lot, does it.
29:20
Speaker 3: But the really worrying thing for the coalition is that
29:24
Speaker 3: now that the actual campaign is on and you expect
29:27
Speaker 3: attitudes to solidify. There's been no movement at all to
29:31
Speaker 3: the coalition in primary vote terms.
29:34
Speaker 12: No look around about six weeks ago it looked like
29:38
Speaker 12: the Coalition was in a very strong position to win
29:41
Speaker 12: majority of the votes and majority of the seats. But
29:44
Speaker 12: in the last fort to six weeks that position has
29:48
Speaker 12: been stabilized and partly reversed. If you had to look
29:52
Speaker 12: at the News poll, you've got to be cautious about
29:57
Speaker 12: any pole that rounds figures up to one percent, Chris,
30:00
Speaker 12: because it could be a difference of only point two
30:02
Speaker 12: or one percent, So I treat that with some degree
30:05
Speaker 12: of caution. It's pretty much a result as far as
30:08
Speaker 12: I can see, that is pretty consistent with what was
30:11
Speaker 12: achieved at the last election, which means a status quo
30:14
Speaker 12: result in terms of the House of Rep seats. But
30:17
Speaker 12: the one that I've been following more closely is a
30:19
Speaker 12: tangent to the curve is the measure of what's happening
30:22
Speaker 12: this week and the last week before that has been
30:25
Speaker 12: the Resolve poll, and that shows around about a two
30:29
Speaker 12: percent swing against the government after preferences nationally, and it
30:33
Speaker 12: still shows significant swings against the government in Victoria and
30:38
Speaker 12: slightly smaller swings in New South Wales and also in Queensland.
30:43
Speaker 12: Both of the major parties look like they're down in Queensland,
30:46
Speaker 12: so the election is still there for either leader to
30:50
Speaker 12: be won or lost. But you'd have to say that
30:53
Speaker 12: the last week or so the opposition leader seems to
30:57
Speaker 12: have lost any sort of sense of discipline in terms
31:01
Speaker 12: of what he's trying to achieve nationally in terms of
31:04
Speaker 12: the economy, and what he's trying to achieve in terms
31:07
Speaker 12: of winning a majority of votes in the majority of seats.
31:10
Speaker 12: They're somewhat different things. But when it comes to election time,
31:14
Speaker 12: when you're actually in the middle of the campaign, you
31:16
Speaker 12: need to focus on a majority of votes in a
31:18
Speaker 12: majority of seats. And I'm not sure it's evident to
31:21
Speaker 12: me that he's got a clear impression of who those
31:23
Speaker 12: voters are.
31:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have thought that.
31:26
Speaker 3: A month ago, it was clear that Peter Dutton was
31:28
Speaker 3: setting the agenda and leading the political debate. But over
31:31
Speaker 3: the last month he's fallen by the wayside. He looks
31:34
Speaker 3: like he's been dictated too rather than setting the agenda.
31:38
Speaker 1: And I agree with you when you look at those numbers.
31:40
Speaker 3: Especially in newspol you're looking at pretty much the numbers
31:42
Speaker 3: of the last election campaign, which is hard to imagine.
31:46
Speaker 3: It's a real indictment on the government in many respects,
31:49
Speaker 3: the lowest ever primary.
31:50
Speaker 1: Vote at an election.
31:51
Speaker 3: They haven't been able to improve on it, but it
31:53
Speaker 3: means that coalition hasn't.
31:55
Speaker 1: Been able to get people across.
31:56
Speaker 3: Do you think that's largely an issue of the campaign
32:00
Speaker 3: by Peter Dutton or is the other complicating factor. It's
32:04
Speaker 3: a chicken and egg situation. I suppose all those other
32:08
Speaker 3: options one nation pollen quite strongly, and the other, of
32:12
Speaker 3: course would be including Clive Palmer and others on the right,
32:15
Speaker 3: they're probably dragging votes away.
32:18
Speaker 12: Look the six on.
32:19
Speaker 1: The Kilogam guerrilla.
32:20
Speaker 12: Of course, in all this is trump What he's doing
32:23
Speaker 12: is causing voters to rally around the governments that they
32:28
Speaker 12: have right now. So that's just a natural thing and
32:31
Speaker 12: there's nothing much that Dunton.
32:32
Speaker 1: Can do about that.
32:33
Speaker 12: But you're right, there are other options. You know, you've
32:36
Speaker 12: got the trumpet of protriots, which is leaching votes away,
32:40
Speaker 12: primary votes away from the Liberal Party and the Liberal
32:43
Speaker 12: National Party in the National Party itself. But it's not
32:47
Speaker 12: going to be giving them back in the same numbers
32:48
Speaker 12: that it's taking them away. So that is a serious
32:51
Speaker 12: problem for the coalition in terms of wanting to win
32:53
Speaker 12: a majority of seats. And you've got just a lack
32:57
Speaker 12: of cohesion in terms of the coalition's message, so that
33:02
Speaker 12: it's not clear to me that they're actually focusing on
33:06
Speaker 12: voters in outer suburban seats who stand to benefit from
33:10
Speaker 12: some of the policies that they're putting forward. It took
33:13
Speaker 12: a week or so for me to see a shot
33:15
Speaker 12: of dunk and pouring petrol into a.
33:17
Speaker 3: Cat exactly extraordinary. Yeah, it should have been day one year.
33:21
Speaker 3: I would have thought. Thanks John. I appreciate John Black,
33:24
Speaker 3: their former Labor senator and polling analysty spot on. It's
33:27
Speaker 3: up to the coalition to really map out what their
33:29
Speaker 3: agenda is. There's four weeks to go the election is
33:32
Speaker 3: there to be one, but at the moment they seem
33:34
Speaker 3: to be treading water. We're going to take a break.
33:36
Speaker 3: On the other side, we'll catch up with Sophie Ellsworth
33:38
Speaker 3: in London. We're going to talk to her about the
33:40
Speaker 3: market notdown. Plus Nigel Farrage sharing his thoughts on Anthony
33:45
Speaker 3: Albanezi and Peter Dutton.
33:52
Speaker 1: Let's cross to London now and catch up with Sophie
33:54
Speaker 1: ELL's worth. Of course, News Corps Europe cosponded, good to
33:57
Speaker 1: speak to you again, Sophie.
33:58
Speaker 3: We've had the blood bath on our stock market here
34:01
Speaker 3: and right across Asia Asia today. Of course in London
34:04
Speaker 3: you'll be bracing yourself for what's about to unfold. Do
34:07
Speaker 3: give us a sense of what people are expecting in
34:11
Speaker 3: the financial capital of London.
34:14
Speaker 13: Well, the markets have just opened here, Chris, a short
34:17
Speaker 13: time ago. It's about eight thirty in the morning here,
34:20
Speaker 13: and I've just seen the latest updates with the market
34:23
Speaker 13: already falling six percent of some of the reports saying
34:26
Speaker 13: there's a lot of concern here, Chris, as you're seeing
34:30
Speaker 13: all around the world every day, there's been headlines since
34:34
Speaker 13: these tariffs were introduced, and the London Stock Exchange had
34:39
Speaker 13: its biggest fall in five years on Friday, falling about
34:42
Speaker 13: five percent. So there's major concerns as we're feeling.
34:46
Speaker 1: All around the world.
34:46
Speaker 13: But it's only early in the day so far, so
34:49
Speaker 13: we'll wait and see how much further the market drops today.
34:52
Speaker 13: But certainly a lot of nervous people.
34:55
Speaker 1: Wow the market's open early in London.
34:58
Speaker 3: I hadn't realized that was six percent already, on top
35:01
Speaker 3: of five percent.
35:02
Speaker 1: There last week.
35:04
Speaker 3: The Australian market dropped six percent today and then recovered
35:07
Speaker 3: a bit to finish it just over four percent. So
35:09
Speaker 3: we'll see what happens. But Donald Trump creating market mayhem
35:12
Speaker 3: around the world with his tariff push. I want to
35:15
Speaker 3: get to your interview. You caught up with Nigel Farage
35:18
Speaker 3: and you asked him about what's been going on in Australia,
35:20
Speaker 3: what his observations about our election campaign, And here he
35:24
Speaker 3: is on Anthony Albanezi.
35:27
Speaker 14: Look, I mean, you know he called a big national referendum,
35:31
Speaker 14: which he did. I mean, is the wokist referendum ever
35:34
Speaker 14: held anywhere? And he had it handed to it on a.
35:38
Speaker 1: Plate, didn't it.
35:39
Speaker 14: He thought he breathed through you know, Quantas and all
35:43
Speaker 14: the big companies backing in, the elites in Melbourne and
35:46
Speaker 14: Sydney backing in, and yet the Australian people decisively said no.
35:50
Speaker 14: And I think that referendum to me sums up a
35:53
Speaker 14: failed premissure.
35:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, good observation there from Nigel Ferras.
35:57
Speaker 3: He did turn it into the wokhist referendum was a
36:00
Speaker 3: sixty forty support for the Voice. When he called the referendum,
36:05
Speaker 3: he turned that around to forty sixty the other way.
36:07
Speaker 3: And that tells us that anything Albanize is not a
36:11
Speaker 3: good campaign.
36:12
Speaker 1: Al right.
36:12
Speaker 3: He can't run a good, strong campaign. We saw that
36:15
Speaker 3: in the last federal election campaign. But so far in
36:18
Speaker 3: this campaign he's doing a lot better than most people expected.
36:21
Speaker 13: Sophie, Well, it's only early days, Chris. There's a long
36:26
Speaker 13: way to go in the campaign. But as it is
36:28
Speaker 13: important here, I traveled to Kent last week to speak
36:31
Speaker 13: one on one with Nigel Farrage. And the reason Nigel
36:34
Speaker 13: Frage's comments are so interesting is he's very close with
36:38
Speaker 13: Donald Trump, as we know, and so understanding his thoughts
36:42
Speaker 13: on this. And he said Peter Dutton obviously aligns far
36:45
Speaker 13: closer with his views with Trump than Albanzi. And he
36:49
Speaker 13: really did, you know, call out the Voice referendum. He
36:54
Speaker 13: called out Australia for a lot of its woke views
36:58
Speaker 13: and we can see around the world there is a
37:00
Speaker 13: shift perhaps from the left to the right. That's not
37:03
Speaker 13: to say Elbow will not win the election, but I
37:07
Speaker 13: think what Nigel fraj was saying was with the example,
37:10
Speaker 13: with the referendum. He had all the backers Chris, and
37:14
Speaker 13: he lost it really badly, so so it was very
37:16
Speaker 13: interesting talking to him about this.
37:19
Speaker 7: Yeah.
37:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, those backers don't help you though.
37:20
Speaker 3: You got to remember that whenever the big corporates are
37:22
Speaker 3: telling you to do something, people tend not to go
37:25
Speaker 3: with it. I spoke to Nigel Farras in Australia. He
37:27
Speaker 3: was out there out here during the referendum campaign. We
37:31
Speaker 3: had quite a spirited discussion about it. It is fascinating.
37:34
Speaker 1: He's a pretty keen observer of these things.
37:36
Speaker 3: And I agree with you it's early in the campaign,
37:39
Speaker 3: but alberize he's actually been a bit more confident this time.
37:43
Speaker 3: Let's hope he completely stuffs up at the People's Forum
37:46
Speaker 3: tomorrow night and we get to see the real Albo.
37:48
Speaker 3: But you did ask Nigel Fras directly about who's best
37:52
Speaker 3: to deal with Donald Trump for here.
37:54
Speaker 14: It is the American relationship for Australia is absolutely key,
37:58
Speaker 14: as indeed it is for us. I thought Dutton would
38:01
Speaker 14: speak more of the language of Trump than alban Easy would.
38:05
Speaker 14: But I mean, let's not forget that the Trump agenda
38:07
Speaker 14: is America first, so we might be friends with America,
38:11
Speaker 14: but he's always going to put American interests first and
38:13
Speaker 14: we have to bear that in mind.
38:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is interesting, isn't it, Sophia. Presumably some of
38:18
Speaker 3: that message might get back to Donald Trump.
38:22
Speaker 13: Well, who knows, Chris. But again, pay attention to Nigel Frage.
38:26
Speaker 13: He has a direct phone line to the US President.
38:28
Speaker 13: They're close friends. Pay attention to what he is saying.
38:32
Speaker 13: And he's saying that a relationship for Australia would be
38:36
Speaker 13: far more beneficial with Peter Dutton in office. So he's
38:40
Speaker 13: no fan of Elbow. He loves Australia. He's very fond
38:43
Speaker 13: of Australia. Nigel Frage he follows politics closely, so he'll
38:47
Speaker 13: be watching this election very closely. But he is all
38:50
Speaker 13: obviously on the side of Peter Dutton to get into government,
38:55
Speaker 13: which he thinks will benefit Australia's relations with the US.
38:59
Speaker 3: Yes, spot on now, very very briefly, a lot of
39:01
Speaker 3: focus on electric vehicles here at the moment, just when
39:04
Speaker 3: the UK under the labor Prime ministership of Kirstarma is
39:08
Speaker 3: pulling back a little bit on the government pushed towards evs.
39:14
Speaker 13: Absolutely, Chris, so he's come out in the papers today
39:16
Speaker 13: set to announce winding back of some of the rules
39:20
Speaker 13: that were come into place, banning petrol and diesel cars
39:24
Speaker 13: by twenty thirty. He's pushing out hybrids. They are originally
39:27
Speaker 13: going to be banned in twenty thirty, he's now saying
39:30
Speaker 13: twenty thirty five. And also the fines on companies if
39:34
Speaker 13: they don't meet their targets. They are originally going to
39:37
Speaker 13: get fined fifteen thousand dollars per vehicle that didn't meet
39:41
Speaker 13: their target. That's now been reduced to twelve thousand pounds,
39:44
Speaker 13: so about twenty four thousand Aussie dollars. So he's winding
39:47
Speaker 13: back these penalties and rules, obviously in light of the tariffs.
39:51
Speaker 13: So there's a very jiturary car market here. We've seen
39:55
Speaker 13: Jaguar stop their importings to the US as a result
39:58
Speaker 13: of the tariffs. There could be a lot of jobs
40:00
Speaker 13: lost to Chris, So there's a very nervous motor industry
40:04
Speaker 13: here in Britain.
40:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the UK pulling back on this stuff while
40:07
Speaker 3: we're going headlong down that path under labor and Chris
40:10
Speaker 3: Bowen and Anthey Albanezi. Thanks Sophie. Al's with fantastic stuff, Sophie.
40:14
Speaker 3: They're joining us live from London. Yeah, we got Bowen
40:17
Speaker 3: and ourbow going full on with this stuff when on
40:20
Speaker 3: EV's and the rest of the world is starting to
40:22
Speaker 3: realize they've gone too far and got to pull back.
40:25
Speaker 1: We've got to wake.
40:25
Speaker 3: Up to ourselves, got to take a break. On the
40:27
Speaker 3: other side, Gemitone Uni and Carolina also we'll get their
40:30
Speaker 3: assessment of the campaign so far, plus Chris Bowen's big
40:34
Speaker 3: travel bill. Okay, let's sort all this out with Gematon,
40:43
Speaker 3: Uni and Carolinda are so great.
40:45
Speaker 1: To katchay you both again ready to save the well.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about this election campaign.
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Speaker 3: I've been busy as I am on weekends out at
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Speaker 3: kids sport and mingling. No one's talking to me about
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Speaker 3: the election campaign. It's almost as if it's not happening
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Speaker 3: in the real world.
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Speaker 15: There is so much of that. The only conversations that
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Speaker 15: I have had we actually had a very robust and
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Speaker 15: you might imagine, colorful conversation in our office today about this.
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Speaker 15: The only response we're getting from people is whenever the
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Speaker 15: Prime Minister, or depending on your persuasion, mister Dutton comes
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Speaker 15: on the TV, there is an instant oh, for the
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Speaker 15: love of God kind of reaction which really belies the
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Speaker 15: seriousness of this election. We cannot afford to have a
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Speaker 15: repeat of this government. It's a fiasco. It's by any
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Speaker 15: metric that you want to measure it. That is the
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Speaker 15: objective truth. I am still of the view that there
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Speaker 15: are shades of twenty nineteen around. I think it's early
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Speaker 15: days and I was reading some of the coverage in
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Speaker 15: today's paper and across the weekend about various gaffes and this,
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Speaker 15: that and the rest. At the end of the day,
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Speaker 15: I think Australian voters are not as dumb as some
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Speaker 15: commentators present company excluded obviously take them for, and as
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Speaker 15: the politicians themselves take them for. You know, mister Albanez,
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Speaker 15: he goes, I'm going to lawyer your electricity bills. Who
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Speaker 15: in their right mind is going to believe him? Like,
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Speaker 15: who in their right mind is going to believe the guy.
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Speaker 3: I think the politicians definitely underestimate the intelligence one thousand
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Speaker 3: percent of the electric But there's a worry when you
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Speaker 3: look at the polling Caroline. Of course you're running the
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party in Western Australia, you'll be concerned that there's
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Speaker 3: the polling is kind of flat. But I think on
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Speaker 3: the bright side, is there enough to four weeks to go,
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Speaker 3: so there is plenty of time for the coalition to
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Speaker 3: get some to dictate the agenda, which they don't seem
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Speaker 3: to be doing at the moment.
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Speaker 8: There's always plenty of time, and we always talk about
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Speaker 8: that A lot can happen in a week in politics,
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Speaker 8: and four weeks can on occasion feel like an eternity.
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Speaker 8: I feel like over here in w Way there is
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Speaker 8: that little bit of apathy and a bit of voter fatigue. Obviously,
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Speaker 8: we've just gone through a state election, so I'm not
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Speaker 8: entirely sure. You know how much people are focusing on politics.
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Speaker 8: People are out there living their lives. How refresh int, Chris.
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Speaker 8: All of us sitting here here talk about politics all
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Speaker 8: of the time, but people are focused on their lives.
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Speaker 8: People are focused on their household budgets and paying their
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Speaker 8: bills and that sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: I think.
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Speaker 8: I think you're right from the point of view that
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Speaker 8: a gaff here or a backflip here, and these things.
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Speaker 8: These things have happened on both sides. Neither campaign has
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Speaker 8: been absolutely slick and perfect. There is, you know, the
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Speaker 8: very nature of campaigning has a has a level of
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Speaker 8: imperfection to them.
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Speaker 1: But we've got to remember a very long way to go.
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Speaker 3: We've got to remember how alb and Easy completely stuffed
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Speaker 3: up his campaign in the first week last time when
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Speaker 3: he couldn't when he got the unemployment rates wrong and whatever.
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Speaker 1: But here's what's happened to Peter Dutton today is it's
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Speaker 1: not the thing you want to be doing in an
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Speaker 1: election campaign. We got it wrong and we've apologized for it.
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Speaker 5: We support flexible workplace arrangements, and our plan, which was
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Speaker 5: only ever targeted for the public service in camera labor,
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Speaker 5: has been able to create into a scare campaign.
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Speaker 3: You don't want to have to admit mistakes and go back,
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Speaker 3: but better to do it early in the campaign.
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Speaker 1: And to me, Jim just.
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Speaker 3: Underscores why tomorrow night, when we see these two blokes
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Speaker 3: go head to head, it's almost going to be like
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Speaker 3: the opening bounce, right, there's going to be game on finally,
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Speaker 3: And I've.
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Speaker 15: Seen both of them and I don't think mister Alberanisi
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Speaker 15: stands a chance. Frankly, he's not a very good presenter,
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Speaker 15: he's not a very good speaker. He reeks of inauthor anticity.
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Speaker 15: Mister Dutton, for all of the things people want to
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Speaker 15: criticize him for, is very, very authentic and a great
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Speaker 15: natural communicator. But to the point about the whole policy thing,
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Speaker 15: I've always said, for both sides of politics, if a
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Speaker 15: politician or a leader or a corporate leader contender and go,
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Speaker 15: we got it wrong, and as a result of getting
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Speaker 15: it wrong, we're going to change it. That's something to
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Speaker 15: be admired, right, whether it's mister Albanezi or mister mister Dutton.
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Speaker 15: The fact that they made a mistake. But I would
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Speaker 15: if I was the Liberal Party looker who's doing their
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Speaker 15: focus group Franklin, So I wasn't a woman in the group,
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Speaker 15: I give you that much was she's so disconnected from reality.
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Speaker 3: Well, it was Jane Hume who first announced it, and
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Speaker 3: I think they're admitting the policy is fine, except that's
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Speaker 3: the way it's been interpreted.
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Speaker 1: But they need to be aware of that much.
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Speaker 15: It sounded like none.
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Speaker 1: Of you from Yeah, that's what it's saying.
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Speaker 15: As an employer for twenty two years, he's always had
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Speaker 15: flexible working conditions. I looked at that and went, are
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Speaker 15: you people on drugs?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, flexible workplaces are here to stay. But at the same.
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Speaker 3: Time, I don't think we want half of the camera
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Speaker 3: public servants, but that's.
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Speaker 15: A different matter.
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Speaker 1: Well, that they did not.
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Speaker 3: Know, they didn't got lost in the wash, and that's
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Speaker 3: why Peter Duttons had to tidy it up this way.
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Speaker 3: I want to go back to what I mentioned at
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Speaker 3: the top of the program. I had my own editorial
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Speaker 3: about that fall of Anthony Albernisi's and I showed you
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Speaker 3: how he denied falling off the stage, and it immediately
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Speaker 3: reminded me of George Castanzo. And it's not a lie,
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Speaker 3: and if you really believe it, and I showed you
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Speaker 3: that clip as well well. Either bank headquarters at the
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party were thinking the same thing, or they saw
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Speaker 3: my clip and decided to throw something together very quickly,
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Speaker 3: because have a look at this.
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Speaker 1: Just remember.
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Speaker 2: It's not a lie. If you believe it, I stepped
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Speaker 2: back one step.
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Speaker 6: I didn't fall up the stage.
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Speaker 15: He can't afford three more years of labor for their lives.
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Speaker 1: It's fantastic. I'm a big sign film fan, of course, Caro,
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Speaker 1: but that's a good ad and that gets to the
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Speaker 1: heart of this thing. You can't believe what he's saying.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, this is true, and this is what is wonderful
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Speaker 8: about the digital side of campaigning is a lot of
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Speaker 8: those you know, really smart short clips can be put
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Speaker 8: together in a very short period of time. I take
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Speaker 8: your point on the lack of authenticity obviously with the
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister. I mean, you know, he's been carrying on
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Speaker 8: today about this backflip, this terrible thing that the Coalition
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Speaker 8: has changed their mind on work from home arrangements. It's
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Speaker 8: only if it was honest about what the policy was
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Speaker 8: in the beginning, but we can't have that. What is
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Speaker 8: interesting though, is if you look at something like say
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Speaker 8: the instant asset right off that went down to one
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Speaker 8: thousand dollars in the budget and they very quickly backflipped
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Speaker 8: that back up to twenty thousand dollars when there was
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Speaker 8: a huge amount of outrage from the small business community.
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Speaker 8: Obviously the Coalition is promising thirty thousand dollars a dollar
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Speaker 8: as an instant asset right off. It's very interesting how
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Speaker 8: they take a very different view to those last minute pivots,
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Speaker 8: let's call it, in their own policy. But the small
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Speaker 8: business community can see straight through that and that there
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Speaker 8: is just yet another example and we may end up
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Speaker 8: talking about it. And the Port of Darwin is another one. Chris,
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Speaker 8: I don't want to jump in case that's a topic.
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Speaker 3: No, Yeah had done sing example where the Coalition have
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Speaker 3: realized that this needs to be overturned, that we need
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Speaker 3: to get rid of Chinese ownership.
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Speaker 1: The Port of Dawen.
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Speaker 3: Labor heard that the Coalition were going to do it
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Speaker 3: and they jumped in and followed suits.
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Speaker 1: So there's a bit of this going on. I want
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Speaker 1: to go stick with climate and energy and get your
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Speaker 1: thoughts Gemmer on Chris Bowen, because there's all so much
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Speaker 1: hypocrisy of this area.
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Speaker 3: He's the man who wants to sign Save the Planet
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Speaker 3: that he wants to get rid of everybody's petrol cars
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Speaker 3: and get us all the evs and whatever. He's flowing
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Speaker 3: around the world two hundred and sixty thousand bucks flying
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Speaker 3: around the world last year on our dime, of course,
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Speaker 3: and two hundred tons of CO two.
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Speaker 1: Spot the bloke.
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Speaker 15: He doesn't know the value of a taxpayer's dollar. Like, honestly,
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Speaker 15: these socialists are absolutely horrendous. They don't even try and
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Speaker 15: pretend it anymore. I mean, I had a conversation with
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Speaker 15: someone today about this very thing. It's like, when why
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Speaker 15: would we expect the Albanezy Labor government to stop their
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Speaker 15: outrageous spending, to stop living beyond the country's means, and
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Speaker 15: to actually start putting some financial discipline in place when
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Speaker 15: this is what they do.
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Speaker 2: This is what they do.
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Speaker 15: Snout in trough.
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Speaker 1: Chris, Snout meet Trough. It is ever.
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Speaker 3: Thus, thanks for joining us, Caroline and Jimmy. We'll catch
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Speaker 3: you next week. We've got a little bit of time
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Speaker 3: just to include some of your feedback from what I
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Speaker 3: said last week about Chris Bowen and these energy plans.
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Speaker 1: One viewer says Labor.
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Speaker 3: Either made a promise on energy that they didn't understand
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Speaker 3: or they deliberately lied. Either way, they're an apt or
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Speaker 3: a pack of liars. Another viewer says Chris Bowen is
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Speaker 3: the LMP's greatest weapon. Yeah, we should see more of him,
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Speaker 3: and Adrian says the sheer arrogance of Chris Bowen is unbelievable,
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Speaker 3: even more so after we see those travel details. And
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Speaker 3: one more here says sack Labor and save Australia.
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Speaker 1: It is an important election. Uninspiring.
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Speaker 3: It may not be, it may be at the moment,
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Speaker 3: but it is very important, so get out there, talk
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Speaker 3: to your friends and make sure they vote the right way.
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Speaker 1: Here's Peter Quedlin.