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144: Lily Was Here · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hi, this is Lily Tomlin, and I'm on Movie Meltdown
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  Speaker 1: with Brian.
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  Speaker 5: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one.
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  Speaker 4: Million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 5: To provide more cooling in the containment chamber.
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  Speaker 6: To your sentinels, we've rebelled.
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  Speaker 7: It was a bit earlier on that you missed when
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  Speaker 7: I distracted him with the cuddly monkey and then I said,
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  Speaker 7: playtime's over, and I hit him with the peace lily.
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  Speaker 3: You're off the fucking chain!
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  Speaker 8: Way down among Brazilians Coffee beans grow by the billions
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  Speaker 8: So they've got to find those extra cups to fill
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  Speaker 8: They got an awful lot of coffee in Brazil.
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  Speaker 9: What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I am Brian.
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  Speaker 9: I'm Marlena.
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  Speaker 10: I'm Fred. I'm Greg.
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  Speaker 9: And we're back for another fun-filled movie geek festival.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: It is, though, time for another edition of the Caffeinated
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  Speaker 9: Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 10: Cappuccino my butt. I still drink coffee. The last fucking
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  Speaker 10: thing you need is another cup of coffee. It's time
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  Speaker 10: for Decaffeinated Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 9: We're coming to you live via digital recording from Nancy's
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  Speaker 9: Bagel Grounds, where we, as usual, are going to get
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  Speaker 9: hammered on coffee. We're already, what, a cup and a half,
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  Speaker 9: two cups in, just before you've even started, so we're really,
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  Speaker 9: really wired, is what I'm saying. And talk movies, so.
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  Speaker 9: And with a big thanks to our friends at Columbia
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  Speaker 9: River Coffee Roasters, we have a new blend of coffee
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  Speaker 9: this week. So, get excited. So, Marlena, I ask you...
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  Speaker 9: What blend of coffee are we drinking this week?
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  Speaker 11: Pacific Blacktail.
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  Speaker 9: Ah.
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  Speaker 10: Well, she gets a cue card.
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  Speaker 9: It's because she won't remember.
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  Speaker 11: I would have remembered that. Are you joking?
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  Speaker 9: Actually, I remember.
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  Speaker 11: You didn't tell me beforehand.
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  Speaker 10: That's why you had to hand.
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  Speaker 9: Me a cue card. And I remembered a minute ago
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  Speaker 9: I didn't tell you, so I'm trying to write it
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  Speaker 9: down while we were doing our thing.
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  Speaker 10: Didn't give her.
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  Speaker 5: Time to think of something obnoxious to say about it.
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  Speaker 9: That's the best part.
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  Speaker 12: I know.
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  Speaker 6: See?
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  Speaker 10: Is that why Brando did that?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Anyway, so yes, this is our new blend of coffee.
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  Speaker 9: So thank you to the guys for loading us up
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  Speaker 9: with new and special coffee.
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  Speaker 10: I keep getting more. As we all know.
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  Speaker 9: All right, so I guess we can get away from
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  Speaker 9: that and roll on into the geek activities. For mine,
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  Speaker 9: I watched... One that I've been meaning to, I guess,
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  Speaker 9: ever since... I don't think I knew about this movie
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  Speaker 9: until the remake came out, which is usually not a
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  Speaker 9: good thing, and one I usually don't fall into. Normally
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  Speaker 9: I'm one that's on board with the original well beforehand,
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  Speaker 9: but now I watched the original, The Taking of Pelham 123. Again,
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  Speaker 9: sort of tying into a couple of different things. Number one,
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  Speaker 9: sort of action-y movies with Walter Matthau.
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  Speaker 11: Right.
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  Speaker 9: Although not as much action as you... I'm assuming the
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  Speaker 9: remake has a ton more action, because this one's a
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  Speaker 9: lot of, like, old guys sitting in a room talking
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  Speaker 9: into phones and microphones. I mean, that's like two-thirds of
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  Speaker 9: the movie. It's just, like, them in the control room
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  Speaker 9: talking back and forth to the train. And that's a
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  Speaker 9: good portion of the movie right there. And it's a
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  Speaker 9: good movie, actually. I mean, not saying that as a knock,
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  Speaker 9: but it's just, it's not an action movie. There's action
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  Speaker 9: that comes about and kind of later, but, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 9: more of a heist kind of movie. It's It's probably
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  Speaker 9: a little closer to Charlie Berry, because that one was
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  Speaker 9: a little more heist-related, but not a ton. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: there was action, but yeah, it sort of falls in
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  Speaker 9: line with that one. You get Matthau's a little more
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  Speaker 9: of his sort of subdued, like, just-another-day-on-the-job kind of guy.
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  Speaker 9: And then every once in a while, there's one time
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  Speaker 9: where he grabs a guy by the collar and shakes
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  Speaker 9: him around, and he's one of the other guys on
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  Speaker 9: this side.
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  Speaker 10: So it's, yeah.
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  Speaker 9: He plays a tough guy a little bit, but to me,
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  Speaker 9: the whole movie was Robert Shaw, who I sat there
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  Speaker 9: the whole time. He's one of the guys who takes
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  Speaker 9: over the train, and I'm just like, that guy is awesome.
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  Speaker 9: And I'm sitting there not even really recognizing him from
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  Speaker 9: his other most well-known role, and I'm sitting there going, damn,
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  Speaker 9: he's good. And then I get to the end, and
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  Speaker 9: I'm like, Robert Shaw, son of a bitch, no wonder
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  Speaker 9: I know who he is. He gave the fucking Indianapolis speech.
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  Speaker 9: No wonder he's damn good. So, yeah, he's, like, amazing.
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  Speaker 9: He's just sort of this cold, calculating, you know, everything
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  Speaker 9: is about the plot. And here's our demands. Here's your
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  Speaker 9: time limit. I could care less what your problems are
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  Speaker 9: on the other end. We're going to start shooting people.
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  Speaker 9: And he pulls that off really well. It's just very
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  Speaker 9: believable and, like, just sort of in control all the time.
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  Speaker 9: And then some of the other, you get Hector Alonso.
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  Speaker 9: who's sort of known now for more of his, I mean,
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  Speaker 9: he plays kind of the same guy in every movie now.
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  Speaker 9: Who the hell's movie is he always in? Gary Marshall
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  Speaker 9: that puts it, I mean, in the credits it says,
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  Speaker 9: and as usual, you know, Hector Alonso. Like, he really,
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  Speaker 9: and he plays almost that same kind of guy. Like,
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  Speaker 9: he's always the bellhopper. You know, he's always the one
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  Speaker 9: that's sort of there to just sort of, be the
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  Speaker 9: father figure to the main character and guide them down
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  Speaker 9: the road and explain why things go. So to watch
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  Speaker 9: him in this as the hothead terrorist, he's not even
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  Speaker 9: one of the terrorists. He's the one that's like the
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  Speaker 9: fucking loose cannon that just goes off and starts shooting people.
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  Speaker 9: So very different role for him. It's not exactly what
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  Speaker 9: I expected to come out of Hector Alonso. So I
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  Speaker 9: guess it's good to know he could do that back
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  Speaker 9: in the day. He still doesn't really look much different.
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  Speaker 9: He's slightly younger, but yeah, he kind of always looked
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  Speaker 9: like that. There's two other guys, but the other one
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  Speaker 9: surprised me, and it's one of those I don't think
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  Speaker 9: I recognized him. Again, it was much younger for him,
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  Speaker 9: but as you got into it, the name came up,
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  Speaker 9: and it sort of sounded familiar, and I was like,
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  Speaker 9: he did look... There was something about him that looked weird,
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  Speaker 9: and so I'm like, okay, I'm going to have to
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  Speaker 9: look it up. Earl Hindman, who in later years you
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  Speaker 9: would know as Wilson... And you would only know him
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  Speaker 9: by the top of his face as he looked over
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  Speaker 9: the fence at you. Wilson took control of the train
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  Speaker 9: and held people at gunpoint.
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  Speaker 12: That's... Cool.
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  Speaker 9: I didn't expect that out of Wilson either, but... Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: it's funny to see his face.
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  Speaker 10: That's why he couldn't show his face anymore.
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  Speaker 12: He was still running from the law.
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  Speaker 9: Well, luckily, so was Tim Allen, so... They were both,
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  Speaker 9: you know, had each other's backs.
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  Speaker 13: It was cool.
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  Speaker 9: So, yeah, that one's actually... pretty good. I have to
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  Speaker 9: say it was entertaining. I think I just like that
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  Speaker 9: type of movie. I mean, Heist in general is kind
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  Speaker 9: of entertaining in its own cheesy way. And then I
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  Speaker 9: think the 70s era of those were just like.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: There's something about them. There's like a style that is
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  Speaker 9: totally different from even like 80s and 90s and now.
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  Speaker 9: It's like each generation kind of has its own weird
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  Speaker 9: stamp that it puts on these movies in general. But
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  Speaker 9: even like those type of action movies.
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  Speaker 12: And these.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know, there's something about the, you know, that's
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  Speaker 9: taking place in New York in 1974, you know, that's
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  Speaker 9: a very different vibe than probably what the remake was like.
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  Speaker 5: I have this impression of the 70s as definitely being dirtier.
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  Speaker 10: Than everything else.
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  Speaker 12: Well, New York in the 70s, dirtier.
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  Speaker 9: It was, yeah, a different city.
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  Speaker 12: Crime was a lot higher. Everybody talks nowadays like crime
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  Speaker 12: is going up and Tina, no.
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  Speaker 10: It's been dropping steadily for decades.
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  Speaker 11: Since the 80s.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, they Disney-fied up that whole, you know, the whole
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  Speaker 9: Times Square and all of that stuff. It's like they
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  Speaker 9: kind of specifically made it a point to clean up
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  Speaker 9: a lot of what made New York so, like, scary
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  Speaker 9: and grimy, which was sort of what made the 70s
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  Speaker 9: movies in New York so awesome. So it is interesting
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  Speaker 9: to go back and look at it pre, you know,
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  Speaker 9: when they stepped in and sort of cleaned everything up.
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  Speaker 5: I think just the 70s in general, not just New
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  Speaker 5: York or big city, but I just have a feeling
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  Speaker 5: when I watch movies, shows, that everything was just a
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  Speaker 5: little bit edgier, a little bit rougher.
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  Speaker 12: And everybody was on edge culturally, too, because things were
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  Speaker 12: changing and nobody knew.
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  Speaker 10: And it just makes you uneasy.
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  Speaker 9: I think it's also that is that turning point for film.
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  Speaker 9: And I think it's because we As people in general
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  Speaker 9: and definitely as the generations that followed, that's when everything got...
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  Speaker 9: You watch movies in the 50s and 60s, it's still
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  Speaker 9: pretty clean cut. There's still normal little happy melodrama going on.
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  Speaker 9: It's rare that you get anything really weird or really
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  Speaker 9: edgy sometimes, but rare compared to most of the bulk.
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  Speaker 9: And then the 70s came along and it's like independent
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  Speaker 9: cinema stepped in and it's almost like, okay, gloves are off,
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  Speaker 9: we're going to do whatever the fuck we want. And
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  Speaker 9: the big studios really weren't making money anymore, so they
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  Speaker 9: kind of let the independent filmmakers make.
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  Speaker 10: And you get a lot more.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, there was a ton of cinema that came
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  Speaker 9: out of the 70s that nothing like it had ever
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  Speaker 9: existed before. And some of it still hasn't, you know,
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  Speaker 9: we haven't even returned to some of the levels of
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  Speaker 9: the impressive stuff that was put out even now. It's...
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  Speaker 9: It is that era that's kind of gone, and I
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  Speaker 9: don't know that we can get back to what it was.
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  Speaker 9: It was just something that kind of, the right time,
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  Speaker 9: the right place. And it's kind of cool that we
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  Speaker 9: have these movies that sort of captured it.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: But that was most of what I have watched this week. Marlena,
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  Speaker 9: I know you've got some sort of crazy stories.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 11: So I'm talking about one movie. I'll talk about the
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  Speaker 11: movie Hesher. I watched that movie. It stars Joseph Gordon-Levitt,
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  Speaker 11: who I've loved. It's probably my longest-running Hollywood cush.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I've liked him for quite a while.
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  Speaker 11: Probably not in the same way, though.
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  Speaker 9: Maybe.
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  Speaker 11: I don't know. Oh, did you say you've liked him?
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  Speaker 9: No, I said, yeah, I said you've liked him. I
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  Speaker 9: didn't say I had the same kind of crush.
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  Speaker 12: Y'all look this out.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, I like him and all, but I don't
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  Speaker 9: like him. I thought you said I've liked him for
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  Speaker 9: quite a while.
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  Speaker 10: And you sort of tensed up. Like, what? Yeah, I
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  Speaker 10: was moving in on your man. How dare you?
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  Speaker 11: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 9: No, in Winnie Cooper terms, I don't like him like him. Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: I just like him, really.
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  Speaker 10: Throw down. Earrings are coming off, bitch.
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  Speaker 11: Okay, that was a gross misunderstanding.
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  Speaker 5: But you can have moments like, ooh, I was watching
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  Speaker 5: our man, you know.
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  Speaker 11: Like my mom.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, you can shit our man. That was kind of
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  Speaker 10: a callback, wasn't it?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: Anyway.
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  Speaker 11: Anyway.
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  Speaker 9: So you've liked him since he was a long-haired little dork.
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  Speaker 11: And this, he's a long-haired little dork, but kind of
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  Speaker 11: like a sociopath.
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  Speaker 10: Interesting.
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  Speaker 11: It's kind of interesting. I have to write a paper
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  Speaker 11: about a movie that is mostly negative reviews and kind
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  Speaker 11: of do this rhetorical thing where I respectfully disagree with
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  Speaker 11: the critics. So I chose this movie because pretty much
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  Speaker 11: every critic hated it. But I watched it, and it
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  Speaker 11: kind of, like, the bleakness of it and the coming-of-age
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  Speaker 11: kind of drama thing, it really makes me think of, like,
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  Speaker 11: Welcome to the Dollhouse or any movies like that. But
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  Speaker 11: I didn't... For some reason, when I watch a movie,
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  Speaker 11: I don't think too deeply about it until afterwards, and
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  Speaker 11: I have to think about it. But it kind of
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  Speaker 11: made me, like... after I was watching it, he's just
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  Speaker 11: like this totally off-the-wall, ridiculous character who shows up out
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  Speaker 11: of nowhere and does all this ridiculous shit that no
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  Speaker 11: one in the real world would actually do. But it's like,
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  Speaker 11: he's almost like a physical embodiment of the kid's, like,
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  Speaker 11: teen angst. You know? So that's kind of what my
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  Speaker 11: paper is going to be about. If you analyze the
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  Speaker 11: movie in that way, it's actually a really good movie.
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  Speaker 11: It's about this kid who's lost his mom, and his
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  Speaker 11: dad is like... has totally lost it. You know, he
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  Speaker 11: doesn't get off the couch. He's so depressed about his
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  Speaker 11: wife dying. And they live with his dad's mother, who's crazy.
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  Speaker 11: And it's really sad. The boy just starts kind of, like,
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  Speaker 11: getting in trouble, not necessarily through, like, his own fault.
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  Speaker 11: You know, he's got this bully that picks on him.
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  Speaker 11: And then he kind of accidentally stumbles upon Hesher one day.
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  Speaker 11: And the movie is about T.J., so it's, like, confusing
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  Speaker 11: as to why it's called Hesher, because he's, like, not
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  Speaker 11: even the main character in the movie, really. But if
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  Speaker 11: you think about it, like.
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  Speaker 9: I guess nobody would go see T.J.
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  Speaker 12: T.J., yeah.
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  Speaker 11: But, like, the more I think about it, I'm pretty sure... Like,
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  Speaker 11: there's even a part in the movie where they're talking
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  Speaker 11: about symbolism. Yeah. You know, and I really just think
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  Speaker 11: that was the point of the movie that most people
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  Speaker 11: kind of missed. Like, he's just so ridiculous. He's more
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  Speaker 11: or less like a living, like.
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  Speaker 11: It's not necessarily that he's supposed to be a figment
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  Speaker 11: of TJ's imagination, because he's very much, like, real in
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  Speaker 11: the movie.
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  Speaker 9: That's what I was going to ask. How much of
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  Speaker 9: it was taking place in the real world? Yeah, it
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  Speaker 9: all takes place in.
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  Speaker 11: The real world.
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  Speaker 9: Interesting.
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  Speaker 11: It's not that he's, like, a figment of TJ's imagination.
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  Speaker 11: It's not like a Fight Club alter ego thing where you're, like...
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  Speaker 11: It's not like a split personality thing where you're trying to, like,
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  Speaker 11: deal with stuff so you create this alter ego thing.
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  Speaker 11: It's more or less he's like this just kind of
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  Speaker 11: representation of his trouble and his angst and his sadness
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  Speaker 11: and stuff like that. So if you think about it
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  Speaker 11: like that, it's a really good, really powerful movie. Most
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  Speaker 11: people don't. They just think it's kind of ridiculous and
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  Speaker 11: over the top. Anytime there's a serious moment, I sure will, like,
• 14:49
  Speaker 11: come up with a story about something. And you think, like,
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  Speaker 11: anytime someone tries to chime in with a story when
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  Speaker 11: you're having, like, this really horrible thing going on, his
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  Speaker 11: story is, like, number one, it's a lie. And, like,
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  Speaker 11: Natalie Portman, she'd just gotten into a car accident, and
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  Speaker 11: she gets in his van, and he's like, yeah, once
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  Speaker 11: I was banging these four chicks, and I got really tired,
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  Speaker 11: and she's like, is this, like, a, are you trying
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  Speaker 11: to make me feel better? I don't understand your story.
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  Speaker 11: And he bonds with the grandmother, and he tries to
• 15:23
  Speaker 11: tell her dirty jokes that she doesn't get.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know.
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  Speaker 11: I think upon first inspection, the movie is ridiculous. But
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  Speaker 11: if you really watch it and think about it, it
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  Speaker 11: makes a lot of sense. And I think it was
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  Speaker 11: a really good movie. I probably wouldn't have thought that
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  Speaker 11: I had to write a paper on it, but it's
• 15:41
  Speaker 11: one of those triangles. You just watch it and you're
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  Speaker 11: just like, I'm confused. I want to take a nap.
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  Speaker 9: And then the more you explore it, you're like, holy shit.
• 15:50
  Speaker 10: I want to take a nap.
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  Speaker 9: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: It would be very intimidating.
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  Speaker 12: Overrated.
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  Speaker 9: It depends on if one is Joseph Gordon-Levitt.
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  Speaker 11: Have you seen him in Brick? Yeah, I love Brick.
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  Speaker 10: Brick is on the list. Brick is a great movie.
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  Speaker 10: It's on the list.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, we need to get to Brick. We need to
• 16:15
  Speaker 9: get to Brick.
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  Speaker 10: That's so much fun.
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  Speaker 5: I definitely would like to keep story watching.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, it was such a strange crime noir, like
• 16:25
  Speaker 11: modern age.
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  Speaker 12: But it's also such a strange comedy because you just
• 16:29
  Speaker 12: forget it's a comedy.
• 16:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, kind of.
• 16:32
  Speaker 10: Because it's not funny.
• 16:33
  Speaker 12: It's just you get so involved in the noirishness of it,
• 16:37
  Speaker 12: and it's so intricate, and it draws you in, but
• 16:39
  Speaker 12: every now and then you.
• 16:40
  Speaker 10: Go, this is fucking ridiculous.
• 16:43
  Speaker 13: And you just.
• 16:44
  Speaker 10: Start laughing, but you.
• 16:46
  Speaker 12: You laugh because you get so caught up in it,
• 16:48
  Speaker 12: and yet it's so, and every now and then just
• 16:51
  Speaker 12: something in the story will bump you out of it,
• 16:53
  Speaker 12: and you'll go, God, this is hilarious.
• 16:57
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I love that.
• 16:58
  Speaker 12: It's a great movie.
• 17:00
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it was a really good movie. But back to Hesher, though, like,
• 17:04
  Speaker 11: in the movie, he just does the opposite of everything
• 17:07
  Speaker 11: you think, and it's just so ridiculous. You're, like, almost
• 17:10
  Speaker 11: tired of watching it. But for some reason, I couldn't
• 17:12
  Speaker 11: stop watching it. I don't know if that's just me.
• 17:15
  Speaker 11: I mean, I definitely was not attracted to Joseph Gordon-Levitt
• 17:18
  Speaker 11: in this movie, with his long, stringy hair and his, like,
• 17:20
  Speaker 11: really shitty prison tattoos.
• 17:23
  Speaker 9: What, those are awesome? You know you like those.
• 17:25
  Speaker 11: No, they were like stick figures giving the middle finger, like,
• 17:28
  Speaker 11: just a huge stick figure on his chest.
• 17:30
  Speaker 9: That's classy. What are you talking about?
• 17:32
  Speaker 10: Stick figure giving the middle finger?
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 17:35
  Speaker 12: That's a little hard to picture.
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 17:39
  Speaker 12: Because, I mean, how do you know he's not just
• 17:41
  Speaker 12: holding a stick? Yeah.
• 17:43
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 17:44
  Speaker 10: That's true.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, you know.
• 17:45
  Speaker 11: Well, you know because he had a giant, more realistic
• 17:48
  Speaker 11: yet crude as well, actual just hand giving the middle
• 17:53
  Speaker 11: finger tattooed on his back.
• 17:54
  Speaker 12: Nice.
• 17:55
  Speaker 9: So it's his thing.
• 17:57
  Speaker 10: I'd love to give people tattoos on their backs. Just
• 18:01
  Speaker 10: think what you could do.
• 18:02
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that would be fun.
• 18:03
  Speaker 9: I don't want you to do that to me.
• 18:04
  Speaker 12: No, I don't.
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: Films.
• 18:06
  Speaker 11: But it took me like two days for it to
• 18:08
  Speaker 11: sink in, but after I had to think about it,
• 18:10
  Speaker 11: and I still haven't written that paper. I don't normally
• 18:13
  Speaker 11: procrastinate this much on homework, but it's fall break, so
• 18:16
  Speaker 11: I'm like, fuck it. I'm not going to do anything.
• 18:18
  Speaker 11: I'm going to eat caramel apples and persimmon pudding, and
• 18:23
  Speaker 11: it was like this harvest homecoming thing. So that's what
• 18:27
  Speaker 11: I did, and I took a break, and I didn't
• 18:29
  Speaker 11: do shit. But now tomorrow, I have all this stuff
• 18:31
  Speaker 11: to do, and I'm going to have to write the
• 18:32
  Speaker 11: paper in like three hours.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: I wish I could write papers for school about movies.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: I never took a class.
• 18:39
  Speaker 10: Oh, I did.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: I took one class that was about movies.
• 18:42
  Speaker 11: Well, it's actually not a class about movies. Like, we've been,
• 18:45
  Speaker 11: this is just our, it's just one assignment. It's actually
• 18:48
  Speaker 11: been really grueling because I had to write, like, a
• 18:50
  Speaker 11: five-page paper about a Neutrogena ad.
• 18:54
  Speaker 10: Wow, that would be lame.
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah, kind of.
• 18:57
  Speaker 10: It was extremely lame.
• 18:57
  Speaker 11: So I'm kind of excited about this, and I know
• 18:59
  Speaker 11: it'll go by fast. That's why I knew I could
• 19:01
  Speaker 11: kind of procrastinate if I was able to, like, pull
• 19:04
  Speaker 11: five pages about a fucking Neutrogena ad out of my ass,
• 19:07
  Speaker 11: I can definitely analyze this movie.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: Just get the audio from this and transcribe it. You
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: just about have it.
• 19:13
  Speaker 10: Done and done.
• 19:16
  Speaker 11: I think that about sums it up for me.
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: Oh, hey. How's it going?
• 19:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I watched some stuff.
• 19:29
  Speaker 12: I may have mentioned before that one of my favorite
• 19:32
  Speaker 12: movies is Boogie Nights. But I quit following that guy
• 19:35
  Speaker 12: because I didn't like his other movies. Oh, really? I
• 19:39
  Speaker 12: didn't like Magnolia. I didn't like There Will Be Blood.
• 19:42
  Speaker 12: To me, it all got ponderous and heavy. And I've
• 19:46
  Speaker 12: heard people, like, somebody was really, a friend of mine
• 19:49
  Speaker 12: was really disappointed. I didn't like Magnolia. Not nearly as
• 19:53
  Speaker 12: disappointed as I was. But I just didn't like it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 10: What about.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: Punch Drunk Love?
• 20:01
  Speaker 10: That's the one I watched.
• 20:02
  Speaker 12: That's the other movie of his I like.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 20:05
  Speaker 10: I like that movie. That's a good little movie.
• 20:08
  Speaker 12: All this other stuff, it got, like, ponderous and heavy,
• 20:10
  Speaker 12: and it reminds me of that area in Boogie Nights
• 20:13
  Speaker 12: when bells are ringing and Roller Girl is kicking some
• 20:16
  Speaker 12: guy's head.
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: I kind of like that part.
• 20:20
  Speaker 12: I like it as part of a movie. I just
• 20:22
  Speaker 12: don't like it as, you know, if it was a
• 20:24
  Speaker 12: three-hour movie unto itself.
• 20:26
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that'd be too much.
• 20:27
  Speaker 12: No, it's kind of a drag. And I understand like,
• 20:30
  Speaker 12: you know, Magnolia has its coherence, but I just didn't
• 20:35
  Speaker 12: like it. I don't want to watch it. And then
• 20:38
  Speaker 12: Frogs start falling.
• 20:39
  Speaker 10: I don't give a fuck.
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: Have you ever seen Hard Eight?
• 20:42
  Speaker 12: No.
• 20:43
  Speaker 9: That was the one right before Boogie Night. I think
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: it was his first kind of breakthrough movie. I remember
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: it being pretty good. I have not seen it since
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: it initially came out on video. And since then, I've
• 20:53
  Speaker 9: heard him tell stories about it. He doesn't like the
• 20:56
  Speaker 9: way it turned out, and the studio sort of changed
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: the end. So I don't know if it's a perfect movie.
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: But to me, it felt very similar to Boogie Nights
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: when I watched Boogie Nights. You could definitely tell it
• 21:05
  Speaker 9: was the same guy.
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: I think it's much.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Less in the style. It's much more conventional.
• 21:11
  Speaker 10: And less stylistic.
• 21:12
  Speaker 9: Well, that's what I was thinking. It doesn't get as
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: crazy as, like, Magnolia and as hardy as There Will
• 21:17
  Speaker 9: Be Blood. I had a hard time with Magnolia, too.
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: So Hard Eight's a little more of a normal movie
• 21:22
  Speaker 9: if you like Boogie Nights, probably, so.
• 21:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I love Boogie Nights.
• 21:25
  Speaker 12: It was my favorite movie for a long time. But
• 21:30
  Speaker 12: then I watched this movie called Catfish.
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: Do we need to throw out the spoiler alert?
• 21:36
  Speaker 10: Well, I think I can avoid that.
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: I've been avoiding what it is, and it's been hard
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: because I listen to a lot of shows about movies.
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah, but it was a really good movie.
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: I was surprised by it because I kept the suspense
• 21:49
  Speaker 12: for it. And for me, like plot... I generally don't
• 21:53
  Speaker 12: really care about spoilers because I don't care.
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: About surprise endings.
• 21:58
  Speaker 12: But this one, there was something about it. The suspense
• 22:02
  Speaker 12: for me was like, they're going to fuck this movie up.
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: They're going to ruin this movie. Oh, and it's going.
• 22:10
  Speaker 12: So well, but they're going to mess it. And I
• 22:14
  Speaker 12: guess maybe I need a spoiler alert, but all I'm
• 22:18
  Speaker 12: going to say is.
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: It didn't get fucked up. It was really a good.
• 22:22
  Speaker 12: Movie, and it was kind of shocking to me.
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: I've heard a lot of good things, and then everything's like,
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: it's best to not know what you're going in for.
• 22:30
  Speaker 12: But here's something weird about it. I didn't even know
• 22:36
  Speaker 12: that there was some question as to whether it was
• 22:39
  Speaker 12: really a documentary or not.
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: It got thrown out there in the beginning. It was
• 22:43
  Speaker 9: kind of that....
• 22:45
  Speaker 12: I never for a minute thought it was really a documentary.
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: I think it was just like marketing. I mean, when
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: you watch Blair Witch now, you know, people for a
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: long time, that's what they kept pitching that.
• 22:56
  Speaker 12: It just didn't even feel like they even wanted you
• 23:00
  Speaker 12: to really think it was. No, I never thought that
• 23:04
  Speaker 12: about it, but I did think, oh, well, it starts out,
• 23:09
  Speaker 12: you know, and they have their little, you know, production
• 23:12
  Speaker 12: company names and their little graphics, and you think, These
• 23:15
  Speaker 12: guys think they're so with it.
• 23:18
  Speaker 10: They think they're so smart. But it goes along and
• 23:23
  Speaker 10: it's like, no, this is pretty good.
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: They are kind of smart. It's all right.
• 23:29
  Speaker 10: Yeah, they don't overdo it.
• 23:30
  Speaker 12: It's like every time I think, oh, they're going to
• 23:32
  Speaker 12: get cute. No, no, it's a good little movie. I
• 23:37
  Speaker 12: was really pleased. That sort of like made my day
• 23:42
  Speaker 12: that that movie just didn't go off the rails and Well.
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: Good, then it's still on my list to eventually get
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: around to, that God knows when I actually will. And
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: I'm sure it will be ruined before I actually get
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: to it. But so far, it's still on the list.
• 23:56
  Speaker 10: Yeah, so there was that.
• 23:58
  Speaker 12: I don't know. There was something else I watched or did,
• 24:01
  Speaker 12: but now I've forgotten it.
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: You just had to be there.
• 24:05
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: Shut up.
• 24:07
  Speaker 12: Yeah, you had to be there.
• 24:08
  Speaker 11: Don't you mock me.
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah, I.
• 24:10
  Speaker 12: Watched Bridesmaids, finally.
• 24:12
  Speaker 10: I only got around to that. That was fun.
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: We've said nice things about Bridesmaids.
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: Good movie.
• 24:18
  Speaker 11: Someone I worked with said she really hated it because
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: she didn't like Chris Booth's delivery.
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: It's kind of important. I think she's quite good.
• 24:28
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 24:28
  Speaker 10: She's quite good.
• 24:29
  Speaker 12: There was something about it like they were really hitting
• 24:32
  Speaker 12: you over the head with making you like her character.
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 24:36
  Speaker 12: I mean, they had it down, but it's almost like
• 24:39
  Speaker 12: watching Les Mis. You know, and it's like, okay, he
• 24:43
  Speaker 12: was in jail for 19 years for stealing bread. Uncle, okay.
• 24:49
  Speaker 10: You know, they just keep pouring it on.
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: He's a victim.
• 24:52
  Speaker 10: I get it.
• 24:53
  Speaker 12: And they just keep hitting you with it. After a while,
• 24:56
  Speaker 12: there's just something in me that rebels. It's like, it's
• 24:59
  Speaker 12: too much. I hope he fucking dies. I hope he
• 25:02
  Speaker 12: gets beat to death with a tube sock full of quarters.
• 25:05
  Speaker 10: I'm sick of this.
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: I think that's the Les Mis director's cut.
• 25:08
  Speaker 12: Right. Yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: They edited that scene out later.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: It was a tube sock full of frames.
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah, frames.
• 25:13
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's just too much.
• 25:16
  Speaker 12: But, you know, not that I want Kristen Wiig to
• 25:20
  Speaker 12: be beat to death. I just, you know, they really
• 25:24
  Speaker 12: win you over to her. They really make you like her.
• 25:26
  Speaker 12: They really make her hurt. roommates just so disgusting. There's
• 25:33
  Speaker 12: that English accent that just makes you want to puke,
• 25:36
  Speaker 12: especially when they start doing the F instead of the TH.
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: No, we're not doing anything. Oh, shut the fuck up.
• 25:44
  Speaker 10: It said TH.
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: Shut the fuck up.
• 25:49
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 11: Anything.
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: That's how we rebel. We start doing our Fs like
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: a TH.
• 25:56
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: Shut the fuck up.
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: You just sound like Daffy Duck.
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: I know. It makes it even more awesome. Who doesn't
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: like Daffy Duck?
• 26:04
  Speaker 12: Yeah. So that was most of my Geek Week. I
• 26:08
  Speaker 12: could talk, you know, endlessly about things, but I think
• 26:11
  Speaker 12: I'm going to pass on that for now.
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: Let's control ourselves. Till next time.
• 26:15
  Speaker 10: I liked Punch Drunk Love. It was a great little movie.
• 26:19
  Speaker 12: The use of color in it, I could just watch
• 26:22
  Speaker 12: it with the sound off.
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: I think that's what.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: If you just watch for, I think I've even mentioned
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: on this show before, just the camera work alone.
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's so beautiful.
• 26:32
  Speaker 12: Oh, and I would like to mention the one scene
• 26:35
  Speaker 12: where they're walking to the room and they're going to
• 26:37
  Speaker 12: have sex for the first time. That's one of the
• 26:40
  Speaker 12: sexiest things I've ever seen in film. It's just to
• 26:43
  Speaker 12: pick that moment instead of like doing the sex scene.
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: She's not, neither of them are terribly attractive people.
• 26:51
  Speaker 12: But just they both know where they're going and what
• 26:55
  Speaker 12: they're doing.
• 26:56
  Speaker 10: And they're just sort of walking along together, and it's, oh,
• 26:59
  Speaker 10: that's excellent. Nice. Yeah, that's a nice scene.
• 27:03
  Speaker 12: He does awkward well in that movie. Yeah, he really does.
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: And then there's that unexpected superhero scene.
• 27:11
  Speaker 12: Where he wrecks the car, and he just gets out
• 27:13
  Speaker 12: and picks up a tire iron and beats the living.
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: Crap out of those guys. It's like, yeah, that was
• 27:20
  Speaker 10: a good moment for that. Yeah, great movies.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: I'm still distressed that you don't like There Will Be
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: Blood because I can I think we had Showtime or
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: whatever when it was out for free and every time
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: it was on I ended up watching it and didn't
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: turn it off every single time and I the score
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: in it or lack of score sometimes in it is
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: just is fantastic.
• 27:52
  Speaker 12: Is you know Just so different. What about the score
• 27:59
  Speaker 12: in Magnolia? You have this music that keeps telling you
• 28:03
  Speaker 12: that something heavy is going to happen.
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: Dun, dun, dun, dun.
• 28:07
  Speaker 12: Dun, dun.
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: Frogs fall out of the fucking sky. Come on.
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: Come on.
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: It's so heavy. I don't know.
• 28:18
  Speaker 12: Did it really take that long to beat that guy's
• 28:21
  Speaker 12: head in? I mean, is that where we were going
• 28:24
  Speaker 12: all that time? There will be blood, but it took
• 28:29
  Speaker 12: long enough.
• 28:32
  Speaker 9: That was a tough sell for me from the beginning.
• 28:34
  Speaker 9: I still... I mean, I can watch it.
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: It's all watchable. It's all riveting.
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: Everybody loved it when it was in the theaters.
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: It's not satisfying to me.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: See, even that last scene, I could completely throw out
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: that whole last scene and still the rest of it,
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: the whole development of... his character, and I don't know. Yeah,
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: I really like, especially the first 25 minutes, I don't
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: think there's a word spoken. And it tells a really
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: good story of him, you know, finding and developing. Yeah,
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: I just thought it was well done.
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: You want me to start?
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: Are you handing it off?
• 29:17
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm good. There's a ton of stuff that I have,
• 29:21
  Speaker 10: but I'm not going to go into it. I do
• 29:23
  Speaker 10: want to mention I did.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: Watch, on your recommendation, since we talked about Mel Gibson
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: a couple times ago, I watched Apocalypto, which my wife
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: asked me what I thought of it, and my official.
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: Review is Mayans won.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Through the woods for a long time and then running
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: through the woods for a long time.
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: The end.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: The end.
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: But does it look pretty while they walk through the woods?
• 29:54
  Speaker 10: No, it's done well. It's done well, and.
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: I was looking for those moments, like you said, of
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: Jesus inventing the table. There are a couple of those
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: moments in Apocalypto, but I don't want to ruin the
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: movie for anyone.
• 30:13
  Speaker 10: Oh, go ahead.
• 30:16
  Speaker 9: I know.
• 30:17
  Speaker 10: I thought... Well, never mind. I don't want to talk
• 30:21
  Speaker 10: about that.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: A couple of things that you've all talked on the show,
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: I'll go through quickly. Battle Royale and Stakeland, scene of both. um,
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: I think they're both definitely worth watching.
• 30:33
  Speaker 9: Battle Royale is amazing.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Battle, Battle Royale is, is, is you're just happy that
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: somebody did that in a movie.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:40
  Speaker 9: It is really what, you know, I would just, yeah,
• 30:42
  Speaker 9: I was thinking about it cause I was watching part
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: of the second one and I was just like, it
• 30:47
  Speaker 9: just doesn't compare. I mean, nothing, I just really was
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: impressed with the first one.
• 30:51
  Speaker 10: It's, it's amazing.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: Um, the whole, my favorite part though was the, um,
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: The instructional portion.
• 30:59
  Speaker 10: With the little girl.
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: It's very fun.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: The one that I didn't want to talk about was
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: a movie that I was going to watch.
• 31:11
  Speaker 14: I'm going to go back and I'm going to watch
• 31:13
  Speaker 14: a classic movie or I'm going to watch something good.
• 31:14
  Speaker 14: And I was like, no, I don't want to watch that.
• 31:16
  Speaker 14: I don't want to watch that. You're flipping through your queue.
• 31:18
  Speaker 14: And I came across Simon Pegg and David Schwimmer movie
• 31:23
  Speaker 14: called Big Nothing.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: I'd never even heard of that. First time I'd seen it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: Anybody's heard about this.
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: I know.
• 31:29
  Speaker 10: And I said, okay.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: And I looked at one of the reviews and it said,
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: lots of twists and turns, dark comedy. Okay, let's watch it.
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: And that's pretty much what it is. It is a.
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: Heist set up that goes bad from the first second
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: they even start talking about it until the last second
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: of the movie. And it's, you know, two minutes don't
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: go by where there isn't another complete twist in the plot.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: And it's just one after the other, after the other.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: And it's, it's, um, you know, one of those bad timing,
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: wrong situation, kind of like the Charlie Barrett, you, you, you, uh,
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: bank heist and you end up, you wanted to steal
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: a couple thousand and you end up stealing millions.
• 32:16
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: That sort of, that sort of plot thing. Um, David
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: Schwimmer plays your typical David Schwimmer, but not as annoying
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: as he normally is.
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: That's nice. Sometimes he pushes that a little too far.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and maybe not so, you know, like that OCD,
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: woe is me kind of guy.
• 32:39
  Speaker 9: He's not Ross?
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: He's not Ross. Yeah, it's a not Ross thing. But
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: still a little bit of it.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Still a little bit of it.
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: I don't know if he can not do a little
• 32:46
  Speaker 9: bit of Ross.
• 32:47
  Speaker 10: Down on his luck, though. And then Simon Pegg, he plays.
• 32:53
  Speaker 10: You know, a grifter, and.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: Plays almost a white trash asshole, American asshole, and he
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: does a pretty good job.
• 33:04
  Speaker 9: Does a good American accent, huh? Yeah.
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: I don't know if I've heard him do that. Yeah.
• 33:09
  Speaker 9: Interesting.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: He was fun to watch.
• 33:12
  Speaker 10: I've not seen him in something that I hated.
• 33:15
  Speaker 9: He's always entertaining, even in stuff that's not as good
• 33:18
  Speaker 9: as some of the stuff he's... His better work. He's
• 33:22
  Speaker 9: always entertaining.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, the real reason to watch this movie is
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: to see their reaction to.
• 33:31
  Speaker 10: That, fuck, now what?
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: Over and over and over. And it takes a lot
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: of actual acting skill, because it wasn't the script that
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: did it. It takes a lot of acting skill to
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: have that, oh shit, over and over in a movie.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: So that was fun, especially for something I wasn't, like
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: I said, never heard of, never had anybody.
• 33:55
  Speaker 11: Mention anything about.
• 33:56
  Speaker 10: Okay, let's just watch it.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: I was pleasantly surprised. I was expecting crap.
• 33:59
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: And it turned out really quite good.
• 34:03
  Speaker 10: And one thing real fast.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: I watched a movie called The Wild Hunt. It's like
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: your role-playing world where the guys go off and fight
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: the with, you know, the fake swords and all that
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: sort of role playing out in the woods for a
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: weekend or whatever. And it's about a guy who his
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: girlfriend has gone off to do that. And he goes
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: back to, he goes out to get her and he
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: immerses him, you know, he's trying to get through this
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: world of geeks that are in full character, full costume.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: And his brother is one of the people that are there.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: This is a Canadian, a Canadian movie. And it's, um,
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: and he has to then start the role playing even
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: to get to her.
• 34:52
  Speaker 9: I think there's another one coming out or just came
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: out recently. That's kind of along the same.
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: Cause I think Misty sent me a link to a
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: trailer for it.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: So yeah, it's a lot darker than I thought it
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: would be. Um, there's some comedy in it. It really
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: kind of pokes fun at a, that, you know, you know,
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: put your plan around.
• 35:11
  Speaker 10: With this stuff.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Something really serious is going to happen. Um, And I
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: don't know the production. I don't think they had a
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: ton of money to do the movie, but it doesn't
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: look like it was poorly made. And for something that
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: most of it is shot at night, you can see
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: the production value is good enough that you can see everything.
• 35:35
  Speaker 14: It's worth a watch, especially after that.
• 35:40
  Speaker 10: Oh, what's the name of the documentary?
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: I even mentioned it before about the guys in Baltimore
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: that play the role-playing world, The Wire. Anyway, after you've
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: seen that and you see that, oh, this can happen
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: and what would happen, it's just kind of a warning
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: to those people. Get up out of your life. Quit
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: pretending so much and finally... Go out and do something.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: It was another one that was one of those spur-of-the-moment
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: watches that I think was worthwhile.
• 36:17
  Speaker 11: Interesting.
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: You said that about David Schlemmer always having that Ross
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: to him. I think that element is almost like a
• 36:25
  Speaker 12: Peanuts character. I don't know which one he would be,
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: maybe Pigpen, but one of them grew up and became
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: that sort of wealth. Belchnertsy, whatever it is that he
• 36:39
  Speaker 12: has going. But it also reminded me of something I'd
• 36:43
  Speaker 12: like to plug. It's a website called 3Nuts, and it's
• 36:49
  Speaker 12: just Peanuts cartoons with one frame removed. which is the
• 36:55
  Speaker 12: one that makes it a joke.
• 36:57
  Speaker 10: So it's just despair.
• 36:59
  Speaker 12: It's just little kids having moments of despair.
• 37:04
  Speaker 11: That's really what Peanuts was, joke or not.
• 37:08
  Speaker 10: It's genius.
• 37:09
  Speaker 12: I so wish that I had done this, but my
• 37:12
  Speaker 12: son found it for me, and he's just laughing, and
• 37:14
  Speaker 12: he shows it to Len, and he said, yeah, Mom
• 37:18
  Speaker 12: didn't think it was that funny.
• 37:21
  Speaker 10: And later....
• 37:23
  Speaker 12: I'm looking at it, and I'm like, oh, this is,
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: and she's like, yeah, Jim showed me that. And I'm like,
• 37:30
  Speaker 12: he said you didn't think it was funny. She said,
• 37:33
  Speaker 12: I don't really see the difference.
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: Oh, my.
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, it can be a pretty downer of
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: a show anyway. There are some hard lessons learned in
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: the peanuts.
• 37:48
  Speaker 12: It's just little moments of, sadness and despair yeah there's
• 37:52
  Speaker 12: no joke nothing lightens the mood it's just terrible nice
• 38:00
  Speaker 12: yeah and it reminds me of one i used to
• 38:03
  Speaker 12: say that one wasn't quite as brilliant but it was
• 38:06
  Speaker 12: family circus except it was uh with uh quotes from
• 38:10
  Speaker 12: the philosopher nietzsche And it was just a little family circus,
• 38:16
  Speaker 12: but whoever, whichever kid was saying something, it was a
• 38:20
  Speaker 12: quote from Nietzsche.
• 38:23
  Speaker 9: That's just not right.
• 38:24
  Speaker 11: What? And family circus?
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: Family circus cartoons, but all the captions are replaced with
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: quotes from the philosopher Nietzsche.
• 38:32
  Speaker 11: That would be fascinating. I'd have to find that.
• 38:35
  Speaker 9: Or wrong.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Evil.
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: Jeffy doesn't have anything important to say. Come on now.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: I wonder what not me would say.
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: I don't know, but there's a little line that leads
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: to it, whatever. All right. So does that round out
• 38:54
  Speaker 9: the Geek Week?
• 38:56
  Speaker 12: Eventually, I'm going to cover everyone who was on Friends
• 39:00
  Speaker 12: and give what my take of their essential quality is.
• 39:04
  Speaker 10: Next week, Joey.
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 39:07
  Speaker 9: Oh, that will get deep once you get into Joey.
• 39:09
  Speaker 10: All right.
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: All right, so we'll take a break and be back
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: with this week's interviewer.
• 39:36
  Speaker 10: Jesus said, don't come back.
• 39:39
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• 41:31
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  Speaker 3: Choosing a family movie is tough. It seems like all
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Hollywood can do is make mindless drivel that rots kids' brains.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Who wants to see a movie like.
• 42:24
  Speaker 15: What my dad watched when he was a kid. Those
• 42:27
  Speaker 15: films are so boring and the special effects are horrible.
• 42:30
  Speaker 15: The movies he grew up with are.
• 42:32
  Speaker 9: Sometimes a big surprise.
• 42:33
  Speaker 12: I at times feel uncomfortable watching movies I loved when
• 42:37
  Speaker 12: I was younger with my own kids because I forgot
• 42:39
  Speaker 12: how much cursing, sex, and violence they showed back then.
• 42:42
  Speaker 15: All we want to do is watch a fun movie
• 42:44
  Speaker 15: that we all like.
• 42:46
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• 42:49
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• 42:52
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• 42:53
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• 43:08
  Speaker 12: Bye.
• 43:08
  Speaker 15: We are family.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: We are family.
• 43:15
  Speaker 10: Hi, this is Louis Gossett Jr. This is Movie Meltdown.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: One man, one goal.
• 43:33
  Speaker 11: One mission, one heart.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: It's part of your problem, you know.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: You haven't seen enough movies. All of life's riddles.
• 43:42
  Speaker 13: Are answered in the movies.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: And now, on with the show.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I think he's going to lie out. Looks like about
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: it's 150 out. I'd use an eight iron. I was going.
• 44:28
  Speaker 10: To say.
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: That.
• 44:32
  Speaker 9: Here. I don't know what these references.
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: Are you're making.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: I don't either.
• 44:42
  Speaker 11: I'm just looking at you guys like, this must be
• 44:45
  Speaker 11: what golf's like.
• 44:45
  Speaker 10: I don't know. It's a real Cinderella story.
• 44:50
  Speaker 9: Nah, I got that one.
• 44:51
  Speaker 10: Okay, I'll figure it out.
• 44:52
  Speaker 9: That makes sense. Thank you.
• 44:54
  Speaker 10: This is in the hole.
• 44:57
  Speaker 9: That makes sense.
• 44:59
  Speaker 11: I don't, I don't even understand that.
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: That was a Caddyshack reference.
• 45:02
  Speaker 11: I don't think I've ever seen Caddyshack.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Blasphemy.
• 45:05
  Speaker 10: Well, we were doing golf. And so, to, to, To clarify,
• 45:11
  Speaker 10: we went to Caddyshack.
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: That's the only way to put it in a cup,
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: which would have been... And I wouldn't have remembered anything
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: from that.
• 45:18
  Speaker 10: I've heard that Murray improvised that whole thing.
• 45:21
  Speaker 12: They asked him, can you imitate?
• 45:24
  Speaker 10: He's, oh, I'm going to head up. Yeah, just let
• 45:27
  Speaker 10: me do it.
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: You can kind of do that with anything. So we
• 45:30
  Speaker 9: were back, and this time, yeah, it was kind of.
• 45:36
  Speaker 9: Even I was surprised I pulled this one off. This week,
• 45:39
  Speaker 9: I talked to what I would consider to be, at
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: least in the comic circles, if not many, many circles,
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: a legend in the business, Lily Tomlin. It's kind of surprising.
• 45:51
  Speaker 9: She was here during the Louisville Film Arts Institute put
• 45:55
  Speaker 9: together this international film festival, and they brought in a
• 46:00
  Speaker 9: ton of films and had them show on at several
• 46:03
  Speaker 9: different venues. And as sort of the big main kickoff,
• 46:07
  Speaker 9: I think this was the first night that it started,
• 46:09
  Speaker 9: they brought in Lily Tomlin to do a whole, one
• 46:12
  Speaker 9: of her one-woman show kind of performances. And again, never
• 46:16
  Speaker 9: one to miss an opportunity, I decided to try to
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: get a hold of her. So yeah, somehow along the way,
• 46:23
  Speaker 9: I ended up interviewing Lily Tomlin. So that was pretty
• 46:27
  Speaker 9: awesome in its own right. Then I'd I knew she'd
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: done a lot of stuff, but in looking up her
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: info going into it, listen to this. Her list of
• 46:40
  Speaker 9: awards include a Grammy, two Tonys, six Emmys, an Oscar nomination,
• 46:44
  Speaker 9: two Peabody's, and the prestigious Mark Twain Prize for American Humor.
• 46:49
  Speaker 12: Whoa.
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 46:50
  Speaker 13: Whoa.
• 46:51
  Speaker 9: I was like, okay, I didn't know about a lot
• 46:54
  Speaker 9: of those, actually.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: So, yeah, she's pretty impressive. So I thought it was
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: kind of cool that we could work this in, especially with,
• 47:03
  Speaker 9: you know, focusing more on her film work, which she's
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: done some really good film work over the years. So
• 47:09
  Speaker 9: I thought this would be kind of cool. So now
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: we will talk to Lily Tomlin. Okay, we're here with
• 47:17
  Speaker 9: Lily Tomlin. I wanted to, I guess, start from the
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: very beginning. You were born in Detroit, and... I guess
• 47:26
  Speaker 9: I just try to get a feel for what people were,
• 47:29
  Speaker 9: what kind of kid they were. Were you the kind
• 47:30
  Speaker 9: of kid that liked to go to the movies? Did
• 47:32
  Speaker 9: you like that type of performance?
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, sure. We only mostly went on the weekends.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Your mother and dad would usually drop you off at
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: the movies or you'd walk up to the corner movie
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: house when you got old enough. But when you were young,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I guess we would go with... other kids from our neighborhood,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: you know, a big gang of us or something. And,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: of course, it was an opportunity to act up. We'd
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: run up and down the aisles and throw jujubes at
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: people and all that stuff, you know. But, yes, it
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: certainly was a transporting experience when you really were watching
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: the movies because I remember the first time I ever
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: stayed to watch a double feature again It was for
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Sitting Pretty with Kristen Webb. My mother and I went
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: to the movies together, and we thought it was so funny.
• 48:28
  Speaker 11: Mr.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Belvedere, you know?
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: That we stayed through the second feature, and we stayed
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: through the first feature so we could watch that feature again,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: however you do it. And the next time I did
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: that in my life, it was for Harold and Maude.
• 48:43
  Speaker 9: Ah, so you can't go wrong with that.
• 48:45
  Speaker 12: No.
• 48:47
  Speaker 9: Was it something that early on you could already tell?
• 48:49
  Speaker 9: I mean, you were already sort of drawn to it?
• 48:51
  Speaker 9: I mean, even though it would be years before you
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: would get into it, was there something there that early?
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess I put on shows and stuff, so
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: I guess I kind of understood about performance or especially
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: probably comedy or something. I probably was responding to something.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Like Mr. Belvedere was supposed to be very comedic, and.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Then, of course, Harold and Maude is very funny in
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: an off-the-wall kind of fabulous way. So all that span
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: of all those decades, and they were in it with
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: several decades, I was... Yes, I think I was always
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: drawn to something really entertaining.
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 49:37
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, your sensibility evolves over time, of course, with
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: your age. But even then, I imagine back in that
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: day when I was 9 or 10 or something, sitting
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: pretty was probably considered fairly funny.
• 49:55
  Speaker 9: So that was, I guess, more like college when you
• 49:57
  Speaker 9: actually started to take it seriously and go into performing.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, it was, because I never thought as
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: a kid putting on shows on the back porch or
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: in the yard... or in the garage, it never occurred
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: to me that you could actually make a living doing it.
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: Was it something your parents were okay with that idea
• 50:15
  Speaker 9: at that point?
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they enjoyed it. I mean, my dad used to,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, my family's blue collar, it wasn't like, you know,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: they weren't expecting me. I wasn't conditioned to become a
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: lawyer or a doctor, even though I was in pre-med
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: at some point. You know, it's just not, it's very
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: working class and you're, everybody's just trying to do the
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: best they can. And so, yeah, putting on shows, it
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: was just something I did. It was sort of second
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: nature to me. And I would, my dad would take
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: me to the bars and I would sing, you know,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: when I was just a little girl, two or three
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: years old. And I would, sometimes he would put me
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: up on the bar and I would sing a song.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: And I even had somebody, I was on NCIS last
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: week and Mark Harmon's wife, Pam Dauber, who's from Detroit,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: her grandfather, she told, she regaled me with this story
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: because she said her grandfather had worked with my dad
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: and that when I got on Latin, for 30 years
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: he would tell the family that I know that kid.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I knew her. Her dad used to bring her in
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: the bar and she'd stand on the bar and sing.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: And so I never had anybody outside the family. validate
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: that story before. So it was sort of incredibly amusing
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: and coincidental and everything for it to come around on NCIS.
• 51:42
  Speaker 10: Yeah, years later.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Years and years and years later.
• 51:45
  Speaker 9: What was it, I guess, early on, you studied acting
• 51:49
  Speaker 9: with Charles Nelson Reilly?
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I did. You know, I actually had one class with Charles,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: and then I went away. I got this job to
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: go to L.A. to be on Music Scene. But I
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: was friends with Charles Nelson, and I know he... I
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: was always listed as one of his students, and I
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: would like to have been, because he was a really
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: marvelous teacher. And I had lots of friends who studied
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: with him. He was really considered one of the very
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: best musical comedy teachers. I tried studying with two or
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: three people, and for years, in the beginning, I couldn't
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: do it. I didn't understand... what it was that they
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: were kind of imparting to us. Later, when I was
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: more experienced and I had already invented my own technique,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: sort of, then I was able to study. And I
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: worked with a woman named Peggy Fury. She founded the
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Actor's Studio on the West Coast, but she was an
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: original member of the Actor's Studio. And she played the
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: doctor in all of me. where i played the rich
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: woman she was my doctor my physician who because i
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: was an invalid in all of me yeah yeah and
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: she was attending to me and that's how i met
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: her i started studying with her and her i understood.
• 53:15
  Speaker 9: You you mentioned your movies there we usually go through
• 53:19
  Speaker 9: a couple of different ones i was going to see
• 53:21
  Speaker 9: if i could mention a few and then see if
• 53:22
  Speaker 9: you had any any stories one of the bigger ones
• 53:25
  Speaker 9: had to hit uh nine to five what was that
• 53:28
  Speaker 9: going into.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: That like Well, you know, that was, Jane had developed
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: that specifically for the three of us.
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: And it was just, it was sort of blessed from
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: the beginning.
• 53:42
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Although we didn't really know it, but I mean, Dolly's song,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: everything that came about, I got, I suggested Dabney for
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the boss. and Elizabeth Wilson for Roz because they were
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: like two of my favorite comic actors.
• 53:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Daphne's so good in that.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's so good. He was on Fernwood in those days,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: and I just loved him because he was such a sleazy,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: kind of sexy scoundrel.
• 54:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: There was something about him that was sexy and just, oh,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: he was just a rogue. Anyway, I loved him, and
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: of course, he's a very funny comic actor and a
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: good actor, period. But, so, you know, we just became friends.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: We stayed friends all those years. I mean, we knew
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: each other before that, but then we kind of became
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: pretty palsy. And, yeah, you never know. Because when the
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: movie came out, it was like third, an opening week
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: or something, and then it just skyrocketed.
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:44
  Speaker 9: It really was sort of a key moment for, you know,
• 54:48
  Speaker 9: sort of noting the shift in, you know, the... Business, politics,
• 54:53
  Speaker 9: and women moving in, and definitely, like, it really, it's
• 54:56
  Speaker 9: stuff that had been going on for years, but you
• 54:58
  Speaker 9: really didn't see in the movies very often.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: No, no, right. And for it to be a woman-driven,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: you know, a female-starring vehicle, to be such a big
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: box office, it was great.
• 55:10
  Speaker 10: Definitely, definitely.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's unusual, too. Still is, unfortunately.
• 55:16
  Speaker 10: Well, I wanted to.
• 55:17
  Speaker 9: skip ahead a little bit and see how you first
• 55:20
  Speaker 9: got involved in the celluloid closet.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, sure. Well, Vito Russo was a good friend
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: of mine, and in fact, I had bought a new
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: house in L.A. during that time, and I wasn't living
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: in it yet. It was being remodeled and everything, and
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: actually Vito stayed in that house for quite a while
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: during one period, and he was writing on the book, but...
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: I knew him, I had first met him as a journalist.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: He was, you know, an interviewer for The Advocate and
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: different other gay publications. And we just became great friends.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: And so then, after Vito had died, Jeffrey and Rob,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: you know, Rob Epstein, you know, who produced and directed
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: that movie and many other documentaries.
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Rob Epstein and Jeffrey, with Jeffrey Friedman. And so they were,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I did fundraisers, some of the fundraisers to
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: raise money to make the Cellulary Closet. And then as
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: they progressed, they were pretty far along. And then they
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: really didn't have enough money to finish and distribute and everything.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: And so we went to HBO and got the rest
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: of the money there. because I had relationships at HBO
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: and also Howard Rosenman was very pivotal. He got all
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: the clips basically for nothing. And we all went up
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: to HBO and Michael Fuchs and Sheila Nevins, I guess
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: they said, yeah, we'll do it. And they just gave it.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: We had a whole big script worked out while we
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: were going to pitch it. And we never got to
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: say it. We hardly said two words. And they said, yeah,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: we want to do it. and they provided all the
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: finishing money and everything, and then it ran on HBO,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: and that's how it came about as far as I know.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: It was really the impetus of Rob and Jeffrey, I mean,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: because they were really filmmakers, and they were also very
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: close to Vito.
• 57:29
  Speaker 9: Well, is that something, I mean, you've been with Jane
• 57:31
  Speaker 9: for years now. Is that something that you.
• 57:34
  Speaker 10: Ever were faced with early on.
• 57:36
  Speaker 9: That it potentially could hinder your career somewhere.
• 57:40
  Speaker 13: Along the way?
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it had its potential, but, I mean, silly,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: silly things, if you really want to get into all that.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, back when we were working, when we were
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: first working on, we had television specials. We had, you know,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: we did four at CBS and two at ABC, and
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: when we were shooting those specials, because in this, particularly
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: the ones in the 70s, as I recall, we did
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: We did some in the 70s and some in the 80s.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: And in the 70s, I mean, people, like well-meaning friends
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: would say to us who were working on the shows,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: they would say, you know, maybe you and Jane should
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: drive to work in different cars. And I'd say, well,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: why would we do that? And she said, well, people talk.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: You know, they're talking. And I said... Well, they'll just
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: have to talk.
• 58:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was no more than that. You know,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: it just, I can imagine people, it was, there's a lot,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: there have been a lot of leaps made in 40 years.
• 58:52
  Speaker 13: Definitely, yeah.
• 58:53
  Speaker 9: But it's still an issue now.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's still an issue, definitely.
• 58:57
  Speaker 9: But not like it was, yeah.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: No, not like it was.
• 59:02
  Speaker 9: Well, you've done a lot of different mediums. You've been
• 59:05
  Speaker 9: on stage and TV work and films. Is there still
• 59:09
  Speaker 9: one place that you... feel more at home or you
• 59:11
  Speaker 9: find more rewarding or uh.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Probably i probably love this stage more just because it's
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: uh it's it's organic to me and it's uh much
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: more personal and you know and i and i can
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: do it myself anytime i want to yeah I mean,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: to make a movie is a much larger undertaking, to
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: say the least.
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: Definitely.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, unless you're really doing... I guess if
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: you were doing a great big production musical, you'd have
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: just as much logistics and coordination and staffing and everything else,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: you know. But working as I do... When I'm able
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: to work as I do... and which I've done since
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: I was a child, really. People would say, when you're touring,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: when does this tour start? And I'd say, well, it
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: probably started, you know, back in the 40s when I
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: was a kid, and I would put on a show.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 9: It's an ongoing project.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Right, right, a working process.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 9: Well, I was also going to let you go ahead
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 9: and tell people what kind of new projects you've got
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 9: coming out or things to look.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 10: For with you.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't have any movies at the moment. I
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: did some television this year. I did Web Therapy, which
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: is Lisa Kudrow's show. I played her mother, and that
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: was great fun because it's largely improv. That was on Showtime.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: And then I just did an NCIS the other night,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: and I also did a couple of shows. Do you
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: know the show Eastbound and Down?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: So I did a couple of shows, but they don't
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: come on for a few months, so I haven't started
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: talking about them. I play Kenny Power's mother. I love
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Kenny Power. I love Danny McBride.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 9: And then you're still out doing the one-woman show, different
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 9: tours as it goes on.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: No, I do it whenever I... I usually book 30
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: or 40 shows a year if I have the time
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: for it. I just kind of carve out... a little
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: time here and there. And I was able, I mean,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: I knew Conrad from LA, Conrad Bachman, who's heads up
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: the Louisville festival. Yeah. And, uh, and so Conrad, we
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: were talking, we just talked about the festival and, and
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: he said, he asked if I could, you know, could
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I do a fundraiser? And I said, sure, I'll come down.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: So then I book a couple of days. I say, well,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: I say to my agent, I'm going to go to
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Louisville since I'm out, book a couple of dates and
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: I'll go do them after Louisville. Um, it's just like
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: it made when i thought of when i said that
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: was when i first started out went to new york
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: i used to do waitress temping and what you do
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: you get up in the morning you like force yourself
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: out of bed like at six o'clock and you call
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: this temp agency and they'll get you a lunch job
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: as a waitress so that you could you know and
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: then you go and work lunch from like 11 to
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: 2 or something and uh You go back to bed
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: and then get up and go to the burger joint
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: or whatever it was, and you do waitress temping. And
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: you'd pick up $ 10 or $ 12 in tips. So you'd
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: have cash for that day.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 9: This is just a more elaborate version of it.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Elaborate, right. Instead of calling Marv, who is the waitress agent,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: I call up ICM or William Morris, I'd say. Get
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: me a couple of dates around October 5th. Nice. You're right.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: My life has changed very little.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 9: It all comes full circle.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 10: Well, I think that was about most of it.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, hey, with your name moving meltdown, don't you
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: want to talk about Huckabees?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 9: What was that?
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 10: I guess working with David O.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 9: Russell, who's gotten.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I worked with him on working with Disaster, too.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: And I hope to work with him again. I mean,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: I think David's just one of the most talented guys
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: making movies.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: And so, naturally, you know, we didn't know that a
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: big fuss was going to be made about an old
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: piece of film from four years previously. When it first
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: got on the... When it went on the Internet... But yes,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: that was... In fact, I hosted the Independent Documentary... IDA,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: I think it's called, isn't it? Independent Documentary Association. I
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: hosted that a couple years ago, and I was able
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: to have a lot of fun with all those filmmakers
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: talking about that experience. Because a lot of things happen
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: on a movie set, you know.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: And it's really, again, it's like a family. You think
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: it's a family affair, but in this day and age
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: of the Internet, it's not always.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 10: As many different actors find out.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I just thought I couldn't pass up movie meltdown
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: and not mention that.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 9: If you want to have some sort of reenactment of it.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not going to do it, damn it, Brian.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: You're going to have to pull some audio from the
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: other thing.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 9: I didn't even go listen to that.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 10: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Plenty of people have.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 9: But yeah, otherwise I guess we can just, you know,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 9: for all your projects, tell people to go to lilytonwin.com
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 9: and check it out.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure. I'm going to have a new website very soon.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, my old website will just be an adjunct,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: you know, part of it, but I haven't started a
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: whole new website, but I don't know when it's going
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: to launch. But my old website is interesting. I mean,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: I'd spent, I'd had it for years and years and
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: years and it's full of stuff that's, I really made
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: it for the fans. You know, I didn't make it,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't make it for that much promotion or anything.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: I made it really a lot of, you know, all
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: the stuff that's in it. I don't know if you've
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: ever looked at it or not.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, it's, it's, it's well put together too, yeah.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, and it's, kind of of uh of
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: that period meant to be with all that you know
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: kind of punky animation and yeah stuff i love it
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: i mean i've always liked it anyway thank you brian all.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 10: Right thank you for talking to us.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 9: All right thank you to lily and uh thank you
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 9: to kate who actually kind of got the ball rolling
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 9: on this she was working with them at the uh
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 9: the louisville film arts institute so Thank you to them
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 9: for putting on the event and giving me the opportunity
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 9: to talk to Lily. So they do that as their
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 9: annual event, but I think they've got stuff going on
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 9: all the time. So for more on them, go to louisvillefilm.net.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 9: And again, thank you to Kate, and thank you to
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 9: Lily for talking to me. Okay, kids, get out your
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 9: decoder pens.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 12: I'm getting out my decoder pen.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 9: You're supposed to be making the fanfare while you do it.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 10: I thought somebody else could do that. You can splice
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 10: that in.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 9: You guys suck.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: South Dakota.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 9: It is time for the movie meltdown secret circle reveal
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 9: of the next exciting feature, which will be exciting because
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 9: it is our annual, I believe we're up to our
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 9: third annual Halloween special. So next time out, I don't
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 9: know who's going to get there. I don't know who's
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 9: going to be able to watch it, but I think
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 9: I'm going to have to bust out trick or treat.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 11: Oh, you mean the, okay.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 9: Not trick-er-treat.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 10: Oh, okay.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 9: We already did that one. We're going to do that again? Trick-or-treat,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 9: which is not even massively Halloween-y, but I mean, it's trick-or-treat.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 9: How can you not do it?
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: Trick-or-treat is the one with the little vignettes and the
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: little pumpkin kids. It had some good stuff.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 9: It's got some really good stuff in it. Trick-or-treat, on
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 9: the other hand, is a... A thrilling movie starring Mark Price.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 9: That'd be skippy to you. And he plays a record backwards,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 9: and he unleashes a dead demon spirit rock star, and
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 9: it's got cameos with Ozzy Osbourne and Gene Simmons. Come on.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 11: I was going to say, is this that cartoon that
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 11: was on Nickelodeon about, like.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 11: It sounds like Danny Phantom in the My Dad is
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 11: a Rockstar put together.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 9: Well, you'll have to watch it and see. Maybe it is.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 9: Maybe that's where they stole it from. So, yeah, I
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 9: think in our true ridiculous fashion, we should watch Trick
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 9: or Treat for this year's Halloween special. I don't think
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 9: I ever.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 11: Realized that the movie with the little Sam guy is
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 11: called Trick-er.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 9: Trick-er Treat. And that's specifically why. Because there already is
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 9: a movie called Trick or Treat.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 11: It's Trick or Treat, not Trick or Treat. Even though
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 11: people say trick-or-treat.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 10: Trick-or-treat.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 11: But it's trick-or-treat. It's just kind of one of those
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 11: things that run together. I never noticed that. I just
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 11: assumed it was trick-or-treat. I'm really confused.
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  Speaker 10: Remember, there's an apostrophe in Halloween. People forget that. It's evening.
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  Speaker 10: Between the two E's, there's an apostrophe.
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  Speaker 12: The look on your face is so podcast-like.
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  Speaker 10: There it is. I'm not making that up. Oh, Lord. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 10: that about does it.
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  Speaker 9: We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed.
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  Speaker 9: Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. so so.
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  Speaker 10: Thank you.
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  Speaker 8: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 11: Fuck you, motherfucker.
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  Speaker 8: Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.
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  Speaker 7: Get the fucking thing together.
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  Speaker 9: Fuck you.
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  Speaker 12: Talk hard!