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GIRL-IN-A-TOTE-BAG · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a little thirteen
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Speaker 1: year old girl vanish and nobody seems to know where
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Speaker 1: she is? Where she was nothing? How can that be?
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Speaker 1: I know where my two thirteen year olds are right now.
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you I know where they are. So how
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Speaker 1: come nobody knows where little Delia is? She just dropped
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Speaker 1: off the map in Gainesville, Florida. See, I don't believe
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Speaker 1: that Crime Stories with Nancy Grace that Gainshell girls being
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Speaker 1: reported as missing. Ring to the electoral County sheriff Selfice,
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Speaker 1: thirteen year old Delilah Young was last seen in the
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Speaker 1: area of northwest one hundred and forty second Avenue in
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Speaker 1: Gainesville Saturday morning. Deputy says she does not have a
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Speaker 1: cell phone and she was wearing blue pajamas with white stars,
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Speaker 1: so we know what pajamas she had on, but we
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Speaker 1: don't know where she is. That doesn't make sense to me.
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Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know so far. First of all, joining me
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Speaker 1: out of Pennsylvania, high profile lawyer at Matthew Mangino, former
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Speaker 1: elected district attorney multiple terms, now defense attorney, author of
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Speaker 1: the Executioner's toll catch this the crimes, arrest, trials, Appeals,
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Speaker 1: last meals and final words of forty six people in
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Speaker 1: the US. You can find him at Matt Mangino dot com.
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Speaker 1: Renowned psychologists joining us out of the Birmingham Jurisdiction. Professor
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Speaker 1: UAB has his own blog Psychology Today. Doctor Alan Blockkey,
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Speaker 1: clinical Psychologist, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner joining me out of
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Speaker 1: Travis County, Austin, Doctor Kendall Crowns and a listen to
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Speaker 1: this Professor University of Texas, adjunct University of Texas and
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Speaker 1: at Texas A and M Medical School. It goes on
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Speaker 1: and on and on with doctor Kendall Crowns. Investigator Dan Scott,
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Speaker 1: former La County Sheriff's sergeant, thirty three years on the
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Speaker 1: fourth twenty six years with SVU. But first let me
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Speaker 1: go back to two special guests. Daphne Young joining me,
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Speaker 1: the national Chief Communication Officer at Childhelp dot org. She's
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Speaker 1: currently working on legislation to extend the Statute of Limitations
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Speaker 1: to help children and sex victims have a longer to
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Speaker 1: prosecute their cases. And she's working on going after enablers
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Speaker 1: and bystanders that stand by and let child abuse child
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Speaker 1: molestation just happen, and so many times we're stuck saying,
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Speaker 1: well it's not a crime, Well maybe it should be.
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Speaker 1: That's what Dafne Young is working on to you. Dylan
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Speaker 1: Lion Ankle and reporter w CJBTV twenty. Dylan can be
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Speaker 1: found at Dylan C Lions and on Twitter. Dylan lyons news.
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Speaker 1: That's a mouthful, Dylon Lions, And I'd love to keep
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Speaker 1: talking about you in your illustrious career. But let's talk
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Speaker 1: about this little girl. Where was she last seen alive?
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Speaker 1: That question remains unknown at this point. What we do know? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Dylon,
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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, let everybody allow that to sink in.
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Speaker 1: Nobody can tell me the last time this child was
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Speaker 1: even seen alive. What about mommy, daddy, Grandma, Auntie's sister, teacher.
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Speaker 1: Nobody can tell me the last time she's seen alive.
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Speaker 1: I know the last time I saw my children. Let's
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Speaker 1: see here, it was about an hour ago when I
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Speaker 1: dropped him at Vacation Bible School where they are counselors.
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Speaker 1: So how can nobody know when she was last seen alive?
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Speaker 1: Family members say it was Saturday. Police report says it
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Speaker 1: was a Sunday. There's no coherency in terms of the
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Speaker 1: last day she was found or when she was reported missing.
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Speaker 1: It was May fifteenth, May fourteen, May sixteenth, We don't
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Speaker 1: We don't know for sure at what point she actually
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Speaker 1: went missing. Well, okay, Matthew Mangina, I'm sure you're going
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Speaker 1: to disagree with me, as the veteran defense attorney that
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Speaker 1: you are, but I would get everyone of those guardians,
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Speaker 1: the mommy, the daddy, the auntie, the grandma, every one
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Speaker 1: of them then to be brought right down to the
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Speaker 1: police station in handcuffs if necessary. On child neglect. If
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Speaker 1: you don't know where your child is, you are committing
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Speaker 1: a crime. It's called child neglect. Bam there, what about that, man? Gino? Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm going to take them in
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Speaker 1: handcuffs to the police station, but that's the first place
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go. You know, your thirteen year old
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Speaker 1: last scene in her pajamas, all of a sudden disappears
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Speaker 1: without a trace. I'm going directly to the home. I
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Speaker 1: want to know what the circumstances were. I want to
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Speaker 1: know when when she was last seen by the people
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Speaker 1: in her home, her guardian, her aunt, whoever, whoever is there,
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Speaker 1: what she was planning, what she was doing, what she
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Speaker 1: was talking about. I want to know the whole story,
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Speaker 1: and I want to know it immediately, because time is
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Speaker 1: of the essence. If we have a thirteen year old
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Speaker 1: that disappeared, we're working against the clock and we need
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Speaker 1: to get something done immediately. I'd like a tiny bit
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Speaker 1: of what you just said with the immediacy. But I
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Speaker 1: find it very hard to believe police didn't go straight
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Speaker 1: to the home and can't get a straight answer. But
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Speaker 1: part of what you said I believe is dead onto
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Speaker 1: Daphney Young. Here's the part that I don't like about
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Speaker 1: what he just said. Why our parents, mommy, daddy, aunt, grandma,
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Speaker 1: whoever's in that home. Why aren't they in handcuffs. Why
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Speaker 1: is it that when a child is the victim, somehow
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Speaker 1: it's not as bad of a crime. And I saw
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Speaker 1: this Daphney Young joining me the chief Communication officer for
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Speaker 1: the Nation for Childhelp dot Org. I strongly advise you
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Speaker 1: to go to their website, childhelp dot Org. I saw
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Speaker 1: it over and over, Daphney. You and I've discussed this
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Speaker 1: as a felony prosecutor for ten years. A thad for
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Speaker 1: three year before that. I saw it over and over
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Speaker 1: and over when the homicide victim is a baby. Oh
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Speaker 1: mommy must have had you know, postpartum depression, or daddy
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Speaker 1: got mad because baby was crying it wouldn't stop. So
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Speaker 1: that none of that justifies I murder. And very often,
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Speaker 1: well very often, I would see those offenders get the
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Speaker 1: kid loved treatment. That Matthew Maino joined me out of
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania is talking about why are they better than the
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Speaker 1: other criminals. The child is gone because of them, because
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Speaker 1: they're not doing their job. What's wrong with a pair
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Speaker 1: of handcuffs and getting all down to the police station, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: if you look at the police report, everything should be
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Speaker 1: explained away by her guardian, William says, the child was
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Speaker 1: last seen playing on the floor with her computer with
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Speaker 1: the screen up and the light's going, and you know
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Speaker 1: there's no problem. And by the way, Nancy, did you
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Speaker 1: realize she ran away a lot? You know, this was
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Speaker 1: obviously a problem child. So what you have immediately in
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Speaker 1: that statement are two very self serving comments. This is
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Speaker 1: a runaway child, perhaps a problem child, and she was
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Speaker 1: last seen doing something innocuous that any of our children
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Speaker 1: might be doing if you get a computer or doing
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Speaker 1: something or reading a book before bed, as if to
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Speaker 1: indicate when I closed the door at night, all was
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Speaker 1: well until you start to backtrack and look at the story. Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that she's a problem child. She's a
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Speaker 1: child with problems, and I think I know where the
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Speaker 1: problems originate. Let me just say that the fish stinks
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Speaker 1: at the head. Absolutely crime stories. With Nancy Grace, you
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Speaker 1: get different answers from different people depending on who you
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Speaker 1: talk to as to where she is. But that you know,
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Speaker 1: I've never accused you, Daphne Young, of evading my question.
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Speaker 1: But my question is why are guardian's parents, grandmas so
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Speaker 1: forth that inflict either harm or neglect the child. Why
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Speaker 1: are they treated differently? I don't know, because the child
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Speaker 1: has the absolute least power in the world to receive
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Speaker 1: any form of advocacy, and you know everyone is so
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Speaker 1: careful tiptoeing. Now, if a parent is an innocent parent
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Speaker 1: and there's no history, no records of problem, and they
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Speaker 1: may be the victim of a criminal or crime, I
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Speaker 1: understand general treatment. But when we so often see these
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Speaker 1: parents with histories of CPF reports, with histories of calls
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Speaker 1: to the police with all kinds of problems, and it's
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Speaker 1: still this very cautious general treatment. The child certainly doesn't
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Speaker 1: get that treatment after hours or when those authorities leave.
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Speaker 1: And it is terrifying to those of us who then
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Speaker 1: do the intake on those children and see the aftermath
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Speaker 1: of wealths and bruises and battering that occurs because you know,
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Speaker 1: there was soft treatment and everybody stepped away or they
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Speaker 1: took a cursory glance at a home and said, not
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Speaker 1: too bad, despite trash and you paraphernalia out. It is shocking.
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Speaker 1: And I think it's because, to be honest, children are powerless.
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Speaker 1: They can't fight back, and so these adults abusers who
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Speaker 1: harm these children do fight back, and they do become problems,
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Speaker 1: and they do lie. And I sometimes don't know whether
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Speaker 1: it's people don't want to believe it because it's so horrific,
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Speaker 1: or whether they believe it and understand it, and you know,
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Speaker 1: talking about apathy and bystanders, and they just don't know
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Speaker 1: how to take that next step or don't care to,
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Speaker 1: and children are dying five a day. Well, I think
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Speaker 1: everybody knows how to dial nine one one. I think
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Speaker 1: everybody knows that my children knew it at age two.
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Speaker 1: You were earlier hearing Paige Beck wc JBTV twenty. Now
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at WKMG TV six.
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Speaker 1: The investigators are looking for a thirteen year old girl
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Speaker 1: who disappeared from an Alachua County neighborhood a week ago.
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Speaker 1: Thirteen year old Dealia Young hasn't been seen since last Friday.
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Speaker 1: At the time, she was wearing blue pajamas and carrying
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Speaker 1: a pink purse just north of Gainesville. Young is four
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Speaker 1: foot two and weighs about seventy five pounds. Anyone who
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Speaker 1: sees her is urged called nine one one right there.
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Speaker 1: That's inconsistent. Listen carefully what our friend Bridget Ellison is saying,
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Speaker 1: and this is according to an official law enforcement report.
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Speaker 1: Last saying, Dan Scott, you're the former La County sheriff
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Speaker 1: sergeant last seen in pajamas and carrying a paint purse. No,
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Speaker 1: you're not sitting in your room with the laptop open,
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Speaker 1: cross legged on the floor of the bed and suddenly
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Speaker 1: you're walking around outside with a pink purse. No, that's inconsistent.
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Speaker 1: So where was she last seen and why don't the
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Speaker 1: parents know exactly. That is not a runaway when you're
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Speaker 1: wearing pink pajamas. A good point. But back to your
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Speaker 1: other question. I've been asking that for years why aren't
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Speaker 1: child abuse cases treated like every other crime? And I
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Speaker 1: think it was hit on by some of your other
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Speaker 1: guests that we don't want to believe that someone could
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Speaker 1: do this stuff to a child, and we've got this
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Speaker 1: mental block that we as a society have to get
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Speaker 1: over because child abuse is a crime, and the parents
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Speaker 1: and whoever is committing these crimes need to be treated
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Speaker 1: like any other criminal. Whether you beat somebody up at
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Speaker 1: a bar, this is much worse to be beating a
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Speaker 1: child that has no defenses, especially you know, when they're
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Speaker 1: extremely young. Nancy, if I could interject just for a
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Speaker 1: second though, and go ahead, Matt, certainly, you know, I
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Speaker 1: appreciate that the children are vulnerable, but I think we
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Speaker 1: need to put the brakes on just for a second.
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Speaker 1: We have a missing person's report and we're gonna, you know,
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Speaker 1: the police are going to want to investigate this. They're
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Speaker 1: gonna want to talk to the people in the home.
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Speaker 1: But I don't think that that you get as good
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Speaker 1: of information is if you go there in every missing
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Speaker 1: person's case, you handcuff the people and bring them down
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Speaker 1: to the police station to talk to them. Yeah. I
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Speaker 1: didn't say every case. I said where the parents have
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Speaker 1: no idea where the child was is last time saying
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Speaker 1: where they at the mall, or they out in the yard,
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Speaker 1: were they in their room and the computer? They have
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Speaker 1: no idea because they were neglectful, right, but they do
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Speaker 1: have an idea, whether it's whether it's made up, but
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Speaker 1: whether it's a story at the police have to investigate
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Speaker 1: that she's she's last seen in her pajamas on a computer.
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Speaker 1: The report says she has a pink person she's walking
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Speaker 1: through the neighborhood. Well, you know, let's let's investigate. Let's
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Speaker 1: continue to investigate, and let's do it as quickly as possible. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna go along with you, Matthew.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go along with defense attorney Matthew me Gino
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Speaker 1: for a few moments. Okay, let's just go down that road.
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Speaker 1: I want to ask doctor Alan Blotkey joining me, clinical
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Speaker 1: psychologists joining me out of Birmingham. I find it very
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Speaker 1: interesting when the child is missing, the first thing out
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Speaker 1: of the family's mouth is she's a problem child. I
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Speaker 1: don't like that. That rus me the wrong way. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the whole thing smells from the beginning of a cover up.
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Speaker 1: I mean there's nothing about what they're telling you, that
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Speaker 1: telling us that makes sense. There's not a teen year
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Speaker 1: ago or girl in pajamas walking around with a pink purse.
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Speaker 1: The odds of that are so low. Yeah, Like, like
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Speaker 1: Dan Scott just said, she's not going to run away
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Speaker 1: into pajamas. I don't. And the first thing they say,
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Speaker 1: she's a problem why is it the first thing? Oh
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Speaker 1: my stars in Heaven, please help me. I gotta find her.
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Speaker 1: Where is she? And and helping? And you know another
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Speaker 1: thing this strikes me, Doctor Kendall Crown's she's thirteen, but
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Speaker 1: she's four two and she weighs seventy five pounds. Is
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Speaker 1: that normal? Yeah, she seems really kind of small for
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Speaker 1: her age and underweight. So to me, it kind of
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Speaker 1: goes along with the overall neglect's picture that she's probably
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Speaker 1: not getting fed appropriately and entreated right, also going along
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Speaker 1: with you as well, running off like that. I've seen,
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Speaker 1: you know, I've I've seen murdered children for years and
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Speaker 1: if they always have a good story to cover up
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Speaker 1: for what they did. Definitely is that you I was
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Speaker 1: going to say, yeah, child, hope we call a little
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Speaker 1: child like that, failure to thrive. That is a classic
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Speaker 1: symptom of neglect. And when I looked at pictures of
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Speaker 1: her beautiful braids and she's posing and she looks like
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Speaker 1: she's in a better state. Later I see her hair shorn,
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Speaker 1: it almost looks like it's falling out. That's another symptom.
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Speaker 1: She just appears really bony and malnourished. And you know,
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Speaker 1: when you hear a story from the parents, Yes, we're
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Speaker 1: going to give parents as a missing child the benefit
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Speaker 1: of the down and caregivers until we start to maybe
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Speaker 1: run their last name and realize that maybe there's four
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Speaker 1: years of CPS reports from teachers, etc. Etc. Like Part
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Speaker 1: two is, within minutes you can find out that this
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Speaker 1: is not a problem child. This is a problem household. Guys.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to page back wc JBTV twenty. It's
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Speaker 1: now I've been nine days since Delia Young was last seen.
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Speaker 1: The sherif's off as is asking people to speak up
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Speaker 1: if they know something, we can find her even sound
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Speaker 1: so if the public has seen her, even if you're
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Speaker 1: not sure. We'd rather follow up on every lead than
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Speaker 1: potentially missed something where we could locate her in a
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Speaker 1: tiny mirror and any information on delia squeabouts can be
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Speaker 1: reported to the Combined Communications Center at the Sheriff's office.
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Speaker 1: Jay back to Dylan Lions at a reporter wc JB,
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Speaker 1: that's TV twenty news. Dylan, again, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. I believe you were mentioning about how long
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Speaker 1: it took them to report or missing. That's right, and
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Speaker 1: you know not only did was it crickets? We didn't
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Speaker 1: hear anything from family. You know, generally we get calls
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Speaker 1: every day, we get messages to our Facebook page if
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Speaker 1: there's missing family members saying can you put this out there?
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Speaker 1: There was never that cry for help, you know, Dylan
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Speaker 1: Lions wc JBTV twenty hold your horses. You said that
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Speaker 1: typically you get emails, Facebook barrage by the family. So
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Speaker 1: I guess Delia's family went on your WCJB begging for help,
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Speaker 1: holding up pictures holding up her favorite doll. I guess
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Speaker 1: they put up a command post trying to find her.
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Speaker 1: Made cheerful please went on Facebook, insta, Twitter, what was
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Speaker 1: their response when Delia goes missing? It was crickets. I
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Speaker 1: was making all the efforts to communicate with family members,
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Speaker 1: trying to get family members to go on camera to
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Speaker 1: plea for help to try to find this missing thirteen
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Speaker 1: year old who seemed to be that perfect child that
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Speaker 1: everyone depicted and you know, was unfortunately missing, doesn't know
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Speaker 1: where she is, and no family members were willing to
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Speaker 1: go on camera. It was pushed back a day, was
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Speaker 1: pushed back another day. It was always they had something
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Speaker 1: to do and they couldn't do it that day Time
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking about a
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Speaker 1: missing girl. She's only four two and she weighs seventy
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Speaker 1: five pounds. Delia Young in the Gainsville area. I want
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Speaker 1: to circle back to Dylan Lyons joining me from w
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Speaker 1: c JB TV twenty. Dylan, you were telling me you
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Speaker 1: kept trying to get the family to come on air
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Speaker 1: and give a public please share pictures of Delia, anything
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Speaker 1: to find her, and they kept saying they were too busy.
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Speaker 1: It was one person, Mariam Williams said, I was in
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Speaker 1: communication with. I received her number from the Sheriff's office,
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Speaker 1: but she wasn't able to ever do it at a
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Speaker 1: certain time or a certain play. And when I had
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Speaker 1: an interview schedule with her, there were crickets, no show.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Page Back and our
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Speaker 1: new friend Dylan Lyons WCJBTV twinter breaking news. Right now,
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Speaker 1: Elatchua County Sheriff Steptes are exercising a search warrant for
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Speaker 1: the home we're missing thirteen year old Delia Young live.
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Speaker 1: Right now, Elatchua County Sheriff's deputies are searching the home
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Speaker 1: behind me. This is one of multiple properties that sheriff
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Speaker 1: steputies obtained a search warrm for just moments ago. Now tonight,
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Speaker 1: a spokesperson for the Elatchua County Sheriff's office told TV
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Speaker 1: twenty exclusively that they do not have a single person
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Speaker 1: of interest in this case, but deputies are focused on
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Speaker 1: multiple properties, including this one here north of Gainesville, where
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Speaker 1: the thirteen year old lived. Out to Matthew Mangino, we'renowned
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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney in Pennsylvania, former elected district attorney, now
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Speaker 1: defense attorney and author of the Executioner's Toll, Matthew Mangino.
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Speaker 1: As much as I would like to grin that and
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Speaker 1: run with it. The reality is the first place you
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Speaker 1: should look when a child goes missing is the home.
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Speaker 1: I mean, think about John and a Ramsey. The one
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Speaker 1: room that the parents didn't search, and there's the body.
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Speaker 1: You have to look in the home first. If this
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Speaker 1: is a kidnap, there may be fingerprints, there may be
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Speaker 1: some evidence of sorts in the home that could reveal
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Speaker 1: the identity of the kidnapper. If it's a runaway, you'd
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Speaker 1: expect to find some clothes, maybe a backpack of cell
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Speaker 1: phone missing. You have to look at entry exits. You
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Speaker 1: have to look at the windows. Was a windows screen
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Speaker 1: cut from the inside or the outside? Was it broken
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Speaker 1: from the inside or the outside? Just a lot you
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Speaker 1: look at. So the search of the home where the
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Speaker 1: child was before they disappear does not indicate the families
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Speaker 1: at fault. That's SOPs to inter operating procedure, right, there's
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Speaker 1: no question. I mean, you have to act with urgency
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Speaker 1: when there's a missing child because time is of the essence.
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Speaker 1: The quicker that you can you can begin to figure
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Speaker 1: out what happened, the more likely or to to have
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Speaker 1: uh this child located. If that's in fact, uh, you
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Speaker 1: know what you have a runaway or someone who's been abducted.
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Speaker 1: But not only checking the house, I mean you need
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Speaker 1: to immediately talk to the caregivers, the aunts, the family members,
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Speaker 1: and you need to do that by separating them and
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Speaker 1: make sure that their stories are consistent and and if
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Speaker 1: they're not consistent, and if you know things you know
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Speaker 1: that that put up your antennas. You know such as uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, inconsistent statements or or unlikely scenarios that the
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Speaker 1: thirteen year old in their pajamas with a pink purse
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Speaker 1: is going to walk out of the house and run
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Speaker 1: off with some boys. That begins to to pique your interest,
22:53
Speaker 1: and you want to follow up on those things. You
22:55
Speaker 1: also have to do the background. You know, what do
22:57
Speaker 1: we know about the caregivers, what do we know about
22:59
Speaker 1: the already, What do we know about the end, What
23:01
Speaker 1: do we know about this child's history. You've got to
23:04
Speaker 1: go directly to the school and find out what you
23:06
Speaker 1: can and find out from her friends what you can.
23:09
Speaker 1: This investigation, especially with a missing person, has to be
23:14
Speaker 1: very expansive and has to be very quick, and I
23:17
Speaker 1: think as you go through that process, you begin to understand, Hey,
23:22
Speaker 1: these things aren't adding up. These stories aren't consistent. What
23:26
Speaker 1: we know is not consistent with what they're telling us. Well,
23:29
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, but I still have a
23:32
Speaker 1: little problem with what Dealing Lines just said. Pursue it
23:38
Speaker 1: to search warrant, They search the home, pursue it to
23:43
Speaker 1: search warrant. Why didn't the parents just the it's the aunt.
23:47
Speaker 1: Why didn't you just let them in? Why do they
23:49
Speaker 1: have to go get a search warrant? I don't like
23:51
Speaker 1: that one bit. Cops had to go get a search
23:54
Speaker 1: warrant for her to let them in the home. That's
23:56
Speaker 1: why you get a search warrant, because either you don't
23:59
Speaker 1: get permission or you don't think you're going to get permission.
24:02
Speaker 1: But that was at the end of it. Take a
24:04
Speaker 1: listen to our cut five. We had searched it previously,
24:07
Speaker 1: and due diligence, we are searching it again just to
24:11
Speaker 1: make sure that we haven't missed anything. Lieutenant Beale says,
24:14
Speaker 1: they want to search the property again because as they
24:16
Speaker 1: discover new details, they're going to focus on different areas.
24:22
Speaker 1: Anytime you're doing an initial investigation and you don't have
24:25
Speaker 1: a lot of information to go on, you don't always
24:27
Speaker 1: know everything that you might possibly be looking for. And
24:30
Speaker 1: then after you've had time to gather evidence and interview
24:33
Speaker 1: people and get more information than sometimes you have a
24:36
Speaker 1: better idea of some things that you should be focusing on. Now.
24:39
Speaker 1: Neighbors told me off camera that they saw Young once
24:42
Speaker 1: or twice and that the area is quiet. They say
24:45
Speaker 1: one time they saw multiple children playing in a pool
24:48
Speaker 1: in the front yard in the home. Okay, I got
24:50
Speaker 1: a problem with that too, I say, to have a
24:52
Speaker 1: lot of problems with this story and what I'm hearing.
24:54
Speaker 1: The neighbors hardly ever saw Delia Young. Why not our
25:01
Speaker 1: neighbors see our children all the time, with us walking
25:06
Speaker 1: the dog, going for bike rides out and about. They
25:10
Speaker 1: can hear the basketball bouncing up and down outside, hear
25:14
Speaker 1: us playing in the yard on the trampoline. Why don't
25:18
Speaker 1: the neighbors see or hear Delia? Well, what about it, Blocky,
25:24
Speaker 1: doesn't that ring a red bell of alarm in your mind?
25:27
Speaker 1: Of course, everything we've talked about is a huge red flag.
25:30
Speaker 1: And again, time is of the essence, and all these
25:34
Speaker 1: red flags are screaming or screaming, and it's just so
25:39
Speaker 1: obvious from the very beginning that this is going to
25:42
Speaker 1: have a bad outcome. Let me ask you something, Dylan
25:45
Speaker 1: lyons w c JAB TV twenty at the time, was
25:50
Speaker 1: she Delia still virtual schooling? She was. She was in
25:55
Speaker 1: virtual school this year. Previous year. She was in a
26:00
Speaker 1: school setting. That's a big problem because if there was
26:03
Speaker 1: anything wrong with her, the teachers and the principal and
26:07
Speaker 1: the teacher help her, the lunch room lady. None of
26:09
Speaker 1: them are seeing any signs of problems. One of the
26:13
Speaker 1: first child molestations I took to trial, I pulled up
26:16
Speaker 1: a similar transaction twenty more than twenty years before, where
26:22
Speaker 1: another now grown victim of the same molester came to
26:27
Speaker 1: school with a swollen lip and a black eye. She
26:31
Speaker 1: had been molested. Nothing was done. My point is, teachers
26:37
Speaker 1: see this and are supposed to report it, but then
26:40
Speaker 1: take a listen to Delia's step grandma, take a listen
26:46
Speaker 1: where is she? If anybody knows anything, please come out.
26:52
Speaker 1: Please let's let the authorities know that this young lady
26:55
Speaker 1: is missing, this baby is missing. You know, I don't
26:59
Speaker 1: know what's going on, but God keeps speaking to me,
27:03
Speaker 1: and he keeps telling me she's gone. Well. I find
27:08
Speaker 1: it very curious that the family had no idea. Something
27:15
Speaker 1: was very very wrong. Take a listen to CBS four
27:20
Speaker 1: news Land and here are according to a Sheriff's Office
27:23
Speaker 1: arrest report, the call came in on May sixteenth. Thirteen
27:26
Speaker 1: year old Delia Young was reported missing from this house
27:30
Speaker 1: by her aunt, Valerie Young. Told that the child had
27:33
Speaker 1: possibly run away and that she had been gone since
27:37
Speaker 1: May the fifteenth. According to the arrest report, Marian Williams
27:41
Speaker 1: showed up to the Sheriff's office Wednesday and told detectives
27:44
Speaker 1: she knew what happened to Delia. They say she pointed
27:47
Speaker 1: to blame at her sister. Valerie disclosed to detectives in
27:51
Speaker 1: her interview that she witnessed Valerie Young beating Delia Young.
27:59
Speaker 1: Now we finally have a break. A witness comes forward,
28:04
Speaker 1: Valerie Young reportedly beating the little girl. Valerie Young is
28:11
Speaker 1: the victim's aunt, and Marian Williams the two her sisters.
28:18
Speaker 1: So now they're apparently pointing the finger at each other.
28:23
Speaker 1: But at least it's a break of some sort. Dylan Lions,
28:28
Speaker 1: we were told that Maryan Williams was the legal guardian
28:32
Speaker 1: of Delia, but the time that Maryan Williams went to
28:36
Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office to confess or give some point as
28:41
Speaker 1: to which way Delia's body or where her body may be.
28:46
Speaker 1: That's when she was supposed to be talking to me.
28:48
Speaker 1: We have that interview set up at the exact same
28:50
Speaker 1: time she was out the Sheriff's office confessing what she knew,
28:54
Speaker 1: confessing that she saw the child being beaten. But it
28:58
Speaker 1: goes beyond that. To listen to Land and here are
29:01
Speaker 1: reports says Young used an electrical cord to beat her
29:04
Speaker 1: niece at this house. Marian Williams saw the girl was
29:07
Speaker 1: hurt and offered to take her to the hospital, but
29:10
Speaker 1: the teen refused. Williams left her in her room and
29:13
Speaker 1: that's the last time detectives say she was seen alive.
29:16
Speaker 1: He saw her aunt, Delia Young, on the computer and
29:20
Speaker 1: the floor of her room, you know, messing with a computer.
29:23
Speaker 1: And then but after they went to bed the next morning,
29:27
Speaker 1: she said she found her deceased. Deceased, Then where's the
29:32
Speaker 1: body and why all this drama? Reporting her missing crime
29:48
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace straight out to doctor Kiminal Crown's
29:52
Speaker 1: Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, Travis County Professor, Texas A and
29:59
Speaker 1: M Medical School University of Texas adjunct. It goes on
30:04
Speaker 1: and on, doctor kindall crowns. Why do perhaps choose an
30:09
Speaker 1: electrical chord? I see it over and over to beat children?
30:14
Speaker 1: Is it because the plug in acts like a kind
30:17
Speaker 1: of a cat of nine tail. Yeah, you know, that's
30:20
Speaker 1: part of it. The plug in is a little more weighted,
30:22
Speaker 1: so you can get more of a damage by hitting
30:25
Speaker 1: someone with it, causing and flicking a fair bit more pain.
30:28
Speaker 1: It's also a convenient. You know, plugs are usually around
30:32
Speaker 1: the house, or extension chords, and you can loop them
30:35
Speaker 1: and whip people that way, or you can use the
30:38
Speaker 1: female or male end plug ins to hit people harder
30:41
Speaker 1: with and you can also switch up and then strangle
30:44
Speaker 1: them with it as well. So an extension chord is
30:47
Speaker 1: a kind of a multi toool for the child beaters.
30:53
Speaker 1: And it's also when you I'm sorry to break in,
30:56
Speaker 1: but it's also whatever happened to you as a child.
31:00
Speaker 1: You tend to use the same weapons children that were
31:03
Speaker 1: beat with a don't care. Don't don't start with me,
31:06
Speaker 1: Dan Scott about what happened to the abuser when they
31:09
Speaker 1: were a child. I'm sorry that happened, but that is
31:11
Speaker 1: no excuse. Oh I'm not making introducers for them at all,
31:15
Speaker 1: but they tend to use the same weapons that were
31:18
Speaker 1: used on the Doctor Kendall Crowns, when you were describing
31:21
Speaker 1: an electrical cord being a preferred weapon of child beaters
31:26
Speaker 1: just kind of rolled off your tongue. I mean, I
31:30
Speaker 1: couldn't help but think of one of my children being
31:34
Speaker 1: beaten by somebody with an electrical cord and it wrapping
31:39
Speaker 1: around their legs and cutting their legs or their back.
31:42
Speaker 1: And I mean, Doctor Kendall Crowns, how many child homicides
31:52
Speaker 1: if you had to estimate, I mean, you've done thousands
31:54
Speaker 1: of autopsies. How many child homicides have you? Have you autopsied? Oh,
32:00
Speaker 1: over the twenty years I've been doing this, probably two
32:04
Speaker 1: or three a year, sixty seventy somewhere in there. How
32:09
Speaker 1: does that affect you to perform a child autopsy versus
32:14
Speaker 1: an adult? Well, so to me, all cases are tragic,
32:17
Speaker 1: but you know, kids are especially tragic. It's sad to
32:22
Speaker 1: see a child beaten or killed or stabbed or whatever
32:26
Speaker 1: what have you. Because I always think that there's plenty
32:29
Speaker 1: of people out there that were unable to have children,
32:32
Speaker 1: and they would love to adopt that child and raise
32:34
Speaker 1: them and love them and take care of them. So
32:37
Speaker 1: it's to me it's a particular tragedy because a child
32:40
Speaker 1: really can't protect themselves, and then in another situation there
32:45
Speaker 1: would be a parent that would love them. So it's
32:47
Speaker 1: I always think it's particularly sad when a child died
32:50
Speaker 1: dafinitely young. Do you just still to this day die
32:56
Speaker 1: a little on the inside when you hear a story
33:00
Speaker 1: like this little Delia getting beaten with an electrical coordinate.
33:04
Speaker 1: She goes and hides in our bed room and hops
33:08
Speaker 1: on our computer or our guests to try to put
33:10
Speaker 1: her mind in a different place. If that is even
33:12
Speaker 1: what happened every single time, then the first time I
33:16
Speaker 1: don't I need to turn in my resignation. I think,
33:20
Speaker 1: you know, we have to compartmentalize to some degree to
33:22
Speaker 1: get the job done. But if you don't feel and
33:25
Speaker 1: if these stories don't still impact your heart, you know.
33:28
Speaker 1: I've been working with Sareny von from Child Help, our
33:31
Speaker 1: founders for they've been doing it for sixty two years.
33:34
Speaker 1: They still cry when we talk about a new child
33:37
Speaker 1: or an entry or a child that comes into one
33:39
Speaker 1: of our programs covered in welts like this, you know,
33:43
Speaker 1: our heartbreaks and right now during this pandemic, we've been
33:47
Speaker 1: so frightened. Just as you described isolation as an abuser's
33:50
Speaker 1: best friend. So this child, this sweet little girl, was
33:54
Speaker 1: kept away from the teachers and people that were desperately
33:58
Speaker 1: trying to advocate for her, and she was alone doing
34:01
Speaker 1: remote learning, like so many of these kids that are
34:04
Speaker 1: suffering in the shadows of abuse during the pandemic. And
34:08
Speaker 1: I think when the world opens up again and the
34:10
Speaker 1: heroes and the teachers and the nurses and folks that
34:14
Speaker 1: usually step up for kids as mandated reporters see, they're
34:17
Speaker 1: going to see the welts or the scars, or the
34:20
Speaker 1: bruises or a hair torn out. They're going to see
34:23
Speaker 1: these kids that have been brutalized during this time. Just
34:28
Speaker 1: to think about the world she lived in and at
34:31
Speaker 1: home with these two hateful aunts beat her and abused her,
34:39
Speaker 1: and she this little four to seventy five little girl,
34:45
Speaker 1: that was where she had to live every day and
34:49
Speaker 1: every night, and then a shock Take a listen to
34:58
Speaker 1: CBS four. The report states both sisters then came up
35:02
Speaker 1: with a plan to get rid of the body by
35:04
Speaker 1: hiding it in a pink tote bag and taking it
35:06
Speaker 1: to a separate location. According to the arrest report, Mary
35:10
Speaker 1: and Williams told investigators that her and her sister took
35:13
Speaker 1: the body of Delia Young down this road to a
35:16
Speaker 1: home William's owns. She said only her and her sister
35:19
Speaker 1: had keys. They then left the body in a bedroom,
35:23
Speaker 1: still in that pink tote. Williams then told investigators she
35:26
Speaker 1: came back the next day and saw that the pink
35:29
Speaker 1: tote was outside, but Delia Young's body was nowhere to
35:33
Speaker 1: be found, that she doesn't know where it is. Marian
35:37
Speaker 1: Williams was arrested yesterday on charges of manslaughter, child neglect,
35:40
Speaker 1: and destroying evidence. Valerie Young was arrested today on similar charges,
35:45
Speaker 1: as well as aggravated child abuse. M Well, have you
35:50
Speaker 1: ever noticed, and let me go to you psychologist, doctor
35:54
Speaker 1: Alan block Key, when criminals start telling their stories, they
35:58
Speaker 1: might ease one or two pieces of hual truth. And
36:01
Speaker 1: here we see the pink topebag. Remember at the beginning,
36:04
Speaker 1: there was there was a report, I guess originating from
36:08
Speaker 1: them that she had on her pj's and had a
36:11
Speaker 1: pink toad or a pink pocket book. Yeah, when they
36:15
Speaker 1: tried to dispose of her body. Uh, what a horrible
36:20
Speaker 1: end to the story. I mean, I just wanted to
36:24
Speaker 1: make one of the comment when when they when when
36:26
Speaker 1: Marian reported that Delia refused to get medical care? Come on,
36:31
Speaker 1: are you kidding? Yeah? I agree? I agree, lie after
36:36
Speaker 1: lie after lie right right for every truth? There were
36:42
Speaker 1: five lives. Now take a listen to Marion Williams crying.
36:51
Speaker 1: That was Marion Williams making her first court appearance. I
36:54
Speaker 1: don't want to hear her crying. Carrying on now she's crying.
36:59
Speaker 1: She wasn't crying when this child was being murdered. The
37:04
Speaker 1: body ultimately was found. Let me go out to you,
37:12
Speaker 1: dill Alliance, where it was little Delia found. It was
37:16
Speaker 1: found off one of the county roads, in a lot
37:19
Speaker 1: to a county year, not far from the homes that
37:23
Speaker 1: Mariam Williams and Valerie Young electric Las lived in. And
37:27
Speaker 1: it was just apparently what we're hearing, dumped in a tree.
37:30
Speaker 1: To you, doctor Kendall, Crown's Chief Deputy Chief Medical Examiner,
37:35
Speaker 1: Travis County, Austin. How will that affect determining cause of death?
37:40
Speaker 1: It was three weeks in the elements before Delia was found,
37:44
Speaker 1: so depending on how much the body is decomposed. It
37:48
Speaker 1: can obscure injuries, hemorrhaging, things of that nature. But what
37:54
Speaker 1: it can obscures fractures. As long as there's still skeletal remains,
37:59
Speaker 1: you can still find the fracture with skulls, the ribs,
38:02
Speaker 1: the longbones, etc. But as the body decomposes more and
38:06
Speaker 1: more the internal injury, like damages to the organs, will
38:11
Speaker 1: be obscured by decomposition. So the further out you get,
38:15
Speaker 1: the less you're going to be able to tell with
38:17
Speaker 1: the tissue injuries, but will always be able to determine
38:20
Speaker 1: injuries based on the scale system. What's the very last
38:24
Speaker 1: on these two demons from hell? Take a listen. The
38:26
Speaker 1: grand jury determined there was enough evidence to charge the
38:29
Speaker 1: sisters accused of killing thirteen year old Delia Young. Marian
38:33
Speaker 1: Williams and Valory Young are now both indicted on charges
38:37
Speaker 1: of first degree murder, child neglect, giving a false report,
38:41
Speaker 1: and resisting arrest. Delia was reported missing in May. Her
38:45
Speaker 1: body was found later discarded in a field. Williams, her guardian,
38:49
Speaker 1: was arrested after confessing to believes that Delia was dead
38:52
Speaker 1: and then accusing her sister, Valerie of beating the girl.
38:55
Speaker 1: No bond was issued. Sometimes I feel like there is
39:01
Speaker 1: no justice and I pray to God I am wrong.
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Speaker 1: Good Bye friend,