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What triggered Las Vegas massacre? Florida teacher charged with abusing autistic boy · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account,
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Speaker 1: drives four hours from school, crashes her car, and vanishes.
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Speaker 1: Joined the search as an investigative reporter, uncovers new evidence,
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Speaker 1: interrogates new witnesses, traces down new leads in this riveting
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Speaker 1: new investigative series, The Disappearance of Maura Murray Saturday's seven
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Speaker 1: sixth Central and nine eight Central on Oxygen. The new
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Speaker 1: XM Triumph Channel one thirty two is solely responsible for
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Speaker 1: this heineous act. Stephen pett Can unassume, sixty four year
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Speaker 1: old with no criminal rights is now alleged the man
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Speaker 1: behind the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history. From
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Speaker 1: the thirty second floor of Mentally Bay, he unleashed a
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Speaker 1: torrent of bullets into the crowd of a country music
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Speaker 1: festival feet away. Listen to sound different from any we've
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Speaker 1: heard from all other recent mass shootings, because this time
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Speaker 1: we're rifle functioning like a machine gun was shooting an
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Speaker 1: individual was described as a lone wolf. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how it could have been prevented. As the death toll
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Speaker 1: has continued to run. Investigators rushed to track down everything
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Speaker 1: anything about the shooting. We're trying to understand what's wrong,
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Speaker 1: what happened. We're still just completely be fuddled. A millionaire
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Speaker 1: Las Vegas gunman murders fifty nine people, entering five hundred
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Speaker 1: and twenty seven. How in the hey did this guy
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Speaker 1: take twenty three guns hidden in ten bags into the
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Speaker 1: luxury Mandalais based sniper's nest and there he allegedly converts
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Speaker 1: full auto assault rifles onto tripods. How did this happen?
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Speaker 1: A seemingly normal guy with about a half a million
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Speaker 1: dollar retirement home and the seniors community. What went wrong?
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Speaker 1: This the biggest mass shooting in US history. I Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: this morning. Our prayers to the victims and their families.
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Speaker 1: The faces of these victims are so disturbing. Fifty nine dead,
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Speaker 1: five seven injured. A kindergarten teacher, a cheerleader, a wife
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Speaker 1: who dies in her husband's arms, army vets, a nurse
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Speaker 1: who saved his wife, who is a surgeon. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I've been placing myself in their position ever since I
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Speaker 1: heard about the shooting. Can you imagine being there with
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Speaker 1: your spouse or your children. What what can you do
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Speaker 1: besides throw your body over them and try to take
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Speaker 1: a bullet. Just the fear, the sheer fear of what happened,
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Speaker 1: and how can we stop it from happening again? Or
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Speaker 1: can we Hollywood celebrities now whining on their shows, complaining
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Speaker 1: about this and that. One woman Uh, an executive at CBS,
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Speaker 1: now fired after she goes online. A top CBS lawyer
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Speaker 1: fired for writing online she has quote no sympathy for
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Speaker 1: the Vegas victims because they were quote probably gun toting Republicans.
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Speaker 1: No sympathy for the victims because they were probably gun
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Speaker 1: toting Republicans because what they were listening to country music?
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Speaker 1: Really with me. Brian Levin, Director at the Center for
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Speaker 1: the Study of Hate and Extremism at cal State San Bernardino.
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Speaker 1: Joseph S. Gott Morgan, forensics expert, Professor Forensics at Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University. Cheryl White, Crime Stories investigative reporter and renowned
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Speaker 1: psychoanalysts out of l A. Dr Bethany Marshall. First of all, Brian,
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Speaker 1: and thank you for being with us. What happened. We
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Speaker 1: had an inveterate gambler a millionaire. He had a pilot's license.
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Speaker 1: He was also a hunter. Comes from Mesquite, Nevada, nine
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Speaker 1: miles away, checks into the Mandalaide Day Hotel, brings in
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Speaker 1: a variety of weapons, checks into twenty three guns. Brian Levin,
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Speaker 1: and guys, Brian knows what he's talking about. He's the
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Speaker 1: director at the Center for Hate and Extremism, Um the
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Speaker 1: study of it. This guy is, he's saying, Stephen Paddock.
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Speaker 1: The cops recovered twenty three guns, some with scopes, military
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Speaker 1: grade mm O tripods like you would a camera. He
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Speaker 1: put his gun up on the tripod. To make it
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Speaker 1: even more deadly, he smashed two windows of his corner
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Speaker 1: suite to create a so called kill box. At the
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Speaker 1: Route Harvest music fest of all, Okay, Brian Levin, you
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Speaker 1: were saying, he brought an assortment of guns, and he
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Speaker 1: brings the assortment of guns, and towards the end of
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Speaker 1: this country music festival, the Route ninety one festival in
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Speaker 1: Las Vegas goes on a shooting spree that last minutes
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Speaker 1: and minutes and minutes, and as you said, fifty nine dead,
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Speaker 1: five twenty seven wounded. And among the people who were
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Speaker 1: slaughtered are the most wonderful people, moms and people who
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Speaker 1: work for police departments and schools and hospitals, the heart
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Speaker 1: of America gunned down in Las Vegas trying to see
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Speaker 1: a country music festival, something that I do with my son,
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Speaker 1: go to see concerts there routinely. The thing about the
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Speaker 1: tripods is really intriguing me because it brings to mind.
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Speaker 1: You remember they hit maybe the American sniper and to
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Speaker 1: to get a hit the way he was planning it,
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Speaker 1: you need for your stance to be still like a sniper. Wood.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what got into this head? To Dr Bethany,
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Speaker 1: Marshall's psycho analyst, Man, we need you guys, Brian, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl Bethany, I mean that we from what we hear,
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Speaker 1: which is befuddling. He had no real religious motives. He
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Speaker 1: was not like a crazy political nut one way or
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Speaker 1: the other. You know, everybody used to say right wing nuts. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: remember now with the left going crazy to everybody's going
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Speaker 1: everybody's crazy. But the point is whether you're left or
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Speaker 1: right or somewhere in the middle. This guy apparently had
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Speaker 1: no firm political affiliations, no army training, no criminal record.
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Speaker 1: This is all according to his brother. Hold on, listen
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Speaker 1: to what The Killers of Brother has to say. I
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Speaker 1: haven't talking to him in six months pro except for
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Speaker 1: after the hurricane. Well, like Texas texted me. I can
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Speaker 1: tell you the Texas worrying. It's like, are you okay? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we talked when we had something to talk about, would
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Speaker 1: he and he checked me a picture of you know
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Speaker 1: that he won forty dollars on a slot machine and
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Speaker 1: you know, but that's the way he played. And he's
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Speaker 1: not a normal guy. He's a little bigger than a
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Speaker 1: normal guy. But he played video cooker. He's in the
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Speaker 1: black on like it's playing and gambling. He's a video
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Speaker 1: video because he would have had his card in every time.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he played high stakes video cooker to be
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Speaker 1: able to stay at home in the casino. Now, did
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Speaker 1: you I mean, did you see this coming on? How
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Speaker 1: do you feel the moment? There's absolutely mean I'm not
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Speaker 1: even gonna answer that stupid question. There's I've already told
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Speaker 1: there's absolutely no. It's like an asteroid fell out of
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Speaker 1: the sky. If an asteroid fell right here, you would
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Speaker 1: feel the exact same way as I feel right now.
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Speaker 1: There's exactly no, no logic, no, it reached even for me,
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Speaker 1: where my brother would have done this. There's no written,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing. So that is what the brother had to say.
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Speaker 1: No cold on, Bethany. We know another tidbit, Sheryl White,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. What do you know about him sending money
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Speaker 1: overseas well? There were early reports that he had sent
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Speaker 1: money to Thailand, but that's unconfirmed at this point, but
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Speaker 1: that was reported early on. In all of this, he
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Speaker 1: did have a lot of money. He told his neighbors
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Speaker 1: that he gambled for a living. Uh, we do know
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Speaker 1: he recently hit a pretty big jackpot also, Nancy. In
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Speaker 1: the room his hotel room, they found several loaded magazines.
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Speaker 1: The guns had scopes on them. You mentioned they were
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Speaker 1: on tripods. Um, there were more than nineteen firearms and
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Speaker 1: explosives in his home when they raided the home, and
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Speaker 1: several thousand rounds of ammunition. So in my mind, this
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Speaker 1: is not something that came up recently. This was something
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Speaker 1: that he planned to do, maybe not this exact event,
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Speaker 1: but something that had been in his mind for a while.
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany remind me to circle back on gun control,
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Speaker 1: because you know, I am a victim of gun violence,
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Speaker 1: but I'm getting an idea, Bethany. Now you're the shrink.
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Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer. Okay, Dr Bethany Marshall. Something
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Speaker 1: that Cheryl White just said that he would tell neighbors
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Speaker 1: he made a living off gambling. I mean, who does
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Speaker 1: he think he is? George Clooney and Oceans eleven? But now,
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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, you gotta help me refine this. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Somebody that claims they're a professional gambler, but they're not.
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Speaker 1: They're just a guy, a regular guy. Somebody that claims
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Speaker 1: they can beat the house, that they can count cards.
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Speaker 1: That for the first time is giving me an insight
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Speaker 1: into this guy. Somebody that claims to be more a suave,
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Speaker 1: more sophisticated, smarter high roller than he really is. That's
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Speaker 1: giving me a clue. But I don't know what the
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Speaker 1: clue is exactly. Well. And to add to that, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: according to one report, in a deposition, because he had
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Speaker 1: a slip and fall in one of the casinos, and
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Speaker 1: during the deposition, he was careless, he was slovenly, he
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Speaker 1: had very poor grooming. So you have this dichotomy of
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Speaker 1: him being grandiose saying that he's a professional gambler. He
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Speaker 1: can beat the house, and yet he's slovenly. According to
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Speaker 1: a neighbor, his house was like a frat house or
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Speaker 1: like a somebody who was a college student. Just had
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Speaker 1: one dining room table and chairs, no artwork on the walls.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay whit whit, whit, whit, white, white, white white.
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Speaker 1: Let me take that in hold on. So he's bragging
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Speaker 1: that he's basically George Clooney or or let's say Brad
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Speaker 1: Pitt or George Clooney. I like Elliott gold in that.
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Speaker 1: But okay, that's another can of worms. He's claiming he
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Speaker 1: is a high roller, a professional gambler. He's not. That's
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Speaker 1: a dichotomy that then go in his home and there's
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Speaker 1: it's just like bear like animal has Okay, go ahead.
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Speaker 1: And he's sending money to Thailand, which suggests that he
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Speaker 1: wants to retire in a place where there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of um sex workers, so that there's sort of a
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Speaker 1: sexual component. Also, he's quite itinerant, Nancy. He moved throughout
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Speaker 1: his a late adulthood. He moved twenty seven times. So
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Speaker 1: this is a guy who does not put down roots
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Speaker 1: in in one place. So what we know about mass
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Speaker 1: shooters is they fall into three categories. There's the psychopathic,
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Speaker 1: the one who just is hyper rational, cold blooded. There's
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Speaker 1: the psychotic that's the one who has mental illness. And
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Speaker 1: then there's the depressive, the one who is in some
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Speaker 1: sort of mental anguish, has an ax to grind against society.
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Speaker 1: All of these clues lead me to believe he's the
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Speaker 1: psychopathic killer, that he's cold blooded and nancy. According to
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Speaker 1: some reports, his father was a felon, and Waskay not
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Speaker 1: just a felon, but a felon that beat the system.
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Speaker 1: His dad was a bank robber that escaped and was
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Speaker 1: on the lamp. I think for years before he was
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Speaker 1: caught outside of an Oregon bingo house. Bingo b I
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Speaker 1: n g. Oh, that's what I'm saying. Uh so he
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Speaker 1: was on the lamb forgetting the bingo. He was on
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Speaker 1: the lamb for years. That is not easy to do.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to put all this together in the blender
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Speaker 1: and come up with something we can digest. Twenty seven
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Speaker 1: moves pretends he's a high roller, lives in kind of
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Speaker 1: a It looks great on the outside, it's a half
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Speaker 1: a million dollar home, but on the inside, it's just
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Speaker 1: odds and ends of furniture, completely undone. I know this
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Speaker 1: sounds if you're listening, like, what is she talking about.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out who this guy is, because
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Speaker 1: he's a conundrum. Bethany, what Okay, So I would say
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Speaker 1: he's a psychopathic killer, and I'll tell you why. Some
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Speaker 1: of these psychopaths are so grandiose that they feel they
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Speaker 1: do not have to play by the rules of society.
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Speaker 1: So when you look at them, you see that they're
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Speaker 1: very slovenly. They're grooming is poor. They don't brush their teeth,
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Speaker 1: their houses aren't decorated, they do not put down roots
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Speaker 1: because they don't attach to other people. So you know,
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Speaker 1: you've ever seen these cult leaders who have like these
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Speaker 1: sex cults, and they're they're sociopathic, psychopathic. They get everybody
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Speaker 1: to follow them like the pipe piper. But they have
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Speaker 1: these long, long beards, you know, dirty teeth, they don't bathe.
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Speaker 1: There's the conundrum right there, that the grandiosity that's so
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Speaker 1: severe that you don't even have to bathe or dress.
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Speaker 1: You just show up as you are. Okay a minute,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, I'm trying to digest this. Cheryl just
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Speaker 1: got hold on, bear with me. Back to Brian Love
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Speaker 1: and director of the Center Force the Study of Hate
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Speaker 1: and Extremism at cal State San Bernardino. Brian, this is
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Speaker 1: your niche and what I'm hearing from from Beth anymore
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Speaker 1: should Dr Marshall is saying that he, in his mind
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Speaker 1: believed he was all that he was the consummate gambler.
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Speaker 1: He could beat the house, he had a half a
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Speaker 1: million dollar retirement home. He was funneling money to Thailand
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Speaker 1: for some reason. His dad beat the system for years
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Speaker 1: and years and years as a bank robber. On the
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Speaker 1: lamb that this idea that society's rules are beneath you
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Speaker 1: because you don't need the rules, because you're smarter than
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Speaker 1: everybody else, you don't have to live by those rules.
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Speaker 1: Add in, she said, a slip and fall at a casino,
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Speaker 1: and let me tell you something about Mandalay Bay. At
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Speaker 1: the top of it, I'm pretty sure is the four Seasons,
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Speaker 1: the few times that we have been out there just
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Speaker 1: trying to get an idea, uh, an idea of who
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Speaker 1: this guy is and why and the reason I want to, yes,
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Speaker 1: thank you, a profile, the reason I want to know
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Speaker 1: why Brian's becau I don't want it to happen again. Well, unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: in a free society that has access to weapons and
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Speaker 1: with someone who can just fly under the radar, it
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Speaker 1: could happen again in just another circumstances. What was fascinating
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Speaker 1: about listening to the different types coming from a psychological perspective,
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Speaker 1: It almost fits hand and glove with what our template is.
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Speaker 1: And let me tell you what that is. We have
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Speaker 1: a template of motivations with regard to these kinds of
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Speaker 1: symbolic killers. First type of the ideologically motivated can be
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Speaker 1: religious or political, or a hybrid. You know, I dis
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Speaker 1: claimed responsibility. That's pretty much tabled by the Feds. They
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Speaker 1: they've claimed responsibility for a casino attack in the Philippines
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Speaker 1: from a disgruntled gambler in June, and just about every
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Speaker 1: train derailment, so we'll leave that out. The second type
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Speaker 1: of offender that we see is the psychologically dangerous. Listen
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Speaker 1: to how similar it is. You could have someone who's psychotic,
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Speaker 1: aust you could have a sociopath, someone with a cognitive
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Speaker 1: UH impairment, a depressive in that category. That's number two.
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Speaker 1: Number three, personal benefit or revenge, or you can have
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Speaker 1: some combination thereof ideological which we don't think. This is
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Speaker 1: number two the psychology dangerous and number three personal benefit
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Speaker 1: or revenge. And revenge can include some kind of enhancement
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Speaker 1: of reputation, getting back, you know, a power grab by
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Speaker 1: using violence. And and oftentimes when people have you know,
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Speaker 1: this kind of anger, the violence will come out slipshot
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Speaker 1: and and that may very well be what happened. Gear.
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Speaker 1: Can I see just one other quick thing, because I
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Speaker 1: know you have a bunch of great guests here. His
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Speaker 1: father also is alleged to have had some kind of
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Speaker 1: mental distress. We also saw with Whitman, the University of
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Speaker 1: Texas shooter mass shooter in sixty six. He turned out
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Speaker 1: to have a brain tumor, so in we interested into
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Speaker 1: what catalyzed him into this violence, and we simply don't
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Speaker 1: just firecrackers. And then we heard pop pop pop, and
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Speaker 1: it just kept going and going, and my husband said,
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Speaker 1: that's not firecrackers. That sounds like a semi autic rifle.
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Speaker 1: And then um, everybody started screaming and started to run,
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Speaker 1: and I looked over to my right where this girl
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Speaker 1: had been standing right beside me, and uh, she had
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Speaker 1: fallen and when first she stood there and she grabbed
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Speaker 1: her stomach and she looked her hands, her hands are
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Speaker 1: all buddy, and then uh, she's wearing a little cop top,
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Speaker 1: you know, blue gean shororts and cowboy boots, and she
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Speaker 1: looked her hands, her hands are bloody, and she just
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Speaker 1: kind of screamed and she just fell back. And then
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Speaker 1: everybody started yelling, and there are some guys there, and
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Speaker 1: we just started jumping up down like waiting for help, help,
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, we just heard a
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Speaker 1: whole bunches of shots fired and people started running, and
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Speaker 1: so my host said get out and get down, and
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Speaker 1: so we we bent down and everybody's just running, just
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Speaker 1: straight up, and you could see people getting shot and
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Speaker 1: people falling. When you listen to the victims families, and
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Speaker 1: it's heart breaking. Brian Levin, director at the center of
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Speaker 1: a study of hating extremism Cow State, San Bernardino. I'm
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Speaker 1: not quite sure how it happened, but it seems very
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Speaker 1: well planned out. I mean, he had an arsenal with him, Brian,
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Speaker 1: he did. But you know something, what I what I
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Speaker 1: often see with these kinds of attacks is is uh.
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Speaker 1: And I'm glad that we're we're concentrating with victims and
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Speaker 1: the survivors. Um. That's what drew our community together in
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Speaker 1: Sandborndino after our terror attack, and we saw all these
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Speaker 1: stories of heroes, and we're seeing that in Las Vegas
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Speaker 1: as well. You know, we celebritize these people. I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you something. Taking an assault weapon and making it an
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Speaker 1: automatic weapon and mowing down innocent people and basically a
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Speaker 1: contained field doesn't take any great skill. Uh. So you know,
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Speaker 1: whatever arsenal he had, Uh, this kind of violence didn't
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Speaker 1: represent any skill or it represented was unrestrained anger. And
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that we're concentrating on the heroes of the
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Speaker 1: story rather than this loser. I just don't understand what
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Speaker 1: he had to be angry about. I mean, he's got
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Speaker 1: a ton of money. He's a half a million dollar
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Speaker 1: home that he has by himself, although I think he
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Speaker 1: had a girlfriend living with him, although she was out
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Speaker 1: of the country in Tokyo at the time this went down,
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Speaker 1: so she is not implicated in it. But what does
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Speaker 1: he have to be angry about? Uh? Brian Levin, director
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Speaker 1: of the Center for Study of Hate and Extremism CAL State.
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Speaker 1: Also with me Joseph Scott, Morgan Forensics expert, Professor of
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Speaker 1: Forensics at Jacksonville State University, Joe Scott. How did he
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Speaker 1: physically pull it off? I mean that when the may
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Speaker 1: he had been there for a while. He didn't just
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Speaker 1: check in that morning. Nobody noticed the assault rifles of
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Speaker 1: the tripods and the all the AMMO when they were
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Speaker 1: cleaning the room. And this is another thing. Uh, he
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Speaker 1: is a as or, he's been stated. Uh. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if he's a compulsive gambler, but he's deeply involved
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Speaker 1: in his life. As you well know. He's up in
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Speaker 1: those upper tier of those floors at Mantalaide Bay. You
21:49
Speaker 1: don't stay up there unless you are a high roller. Hey,
21:54
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on. Before we had the twins, you know,
21:58
Speaker 1: when I took them to Vegas, Uh, we staying hard
22:01
Speaker 1: rocking party down. Okay, But before that, my husband and
22:05
Speaker 1: I have been out there twice. I think we stayed
22:09
Speaker 1: up at the top at the Four Seasons. And let
22:10
Speaker 1: me tell you something, we are not high rollers. Just
22:13
Speaker 1: to say I did it, I put one quarter in
22:15
Speaker 1: a slot machine, just to say I have gambled. Okay,
22:18
Speaker 1: so if they gave that they copped in the room, fine,
22:21
Speaker 1: But there's more than one way to skin a cat.
22:23
Speaker 1: You do not have to be a high roller to
22:25
Speaker 1: be at the top. Well yeah, well so, Joe Scott.
22:28
Speaker 1: But I do agree with you. A lot of high
22:30
Speaker 1: rollers do get to stay at the top for a
22:33
Speaker 1: lower price. Um. And when I say high rollers, I
22:36
Speaker 1: don't necessarily mean they win, Joe Scott, I mean they
22:40
Speaker 1: gamble a lot. Go ahead. Yeah, that that goes right
22:42
Speaker 1: along with the premise that no one actually wins in Vegas.
22:45
Speaker 1: He should spending a lot of money there. If you
22:47
Speaker 1: take a look at the scene he's uh from the
22:50
Speaker 1: perspective that everybody can see on the news, Uh, two
22:54
Speaker 1: of these windows are knocked out and there's like two
22:56
Speaker 1: or three windows in between them that aren't. That gives
22:58
Speaker 1: me and I idea that this is a rather large
23:01
Speaker 1: suite that he is in and it was a kill box.
23:05
Speaker 1: Has been previously stated. I know that I think Alan's
23:08
Speaker 1: on the line with me. He and I are both
23:09
Speaker 1: Army veterans. And when I got the alert on the phone, Uh,
23:13
Speaker 1: the other night, I went to I went to the
23:15
Speaker 1: sound automatically, you know, to see the uh, the video
23:19
Speaker 1: of the thing. And you know, when I first heard it,
23:21
Speaker 1: it sounded like a belt fit fully automatic weapon to
23:24
Speaker 1: me based on my time in the service. And as
23:28
Speaker 1: it turned out, he had multiple weapon platforms that were
23:31
Speaker 1: up there and kind of let me break that down
23:32
Speaker 1: to you, Um, he had what appears to be a
23:36
Speaker 1: R fifteen UH type weapons, which is if the public
23:41
Speaker 1: is familiar with that, it's like the family of the
23:43
Speaker 1: M sixteen, the M four that you see our troops
23:46
Speaker 1: carry now. And he also had which fires a five
23:51
Speaker 1: point five six millimeter round. He also had a much
23:54
Speaker 1: more bulky round which is commonly associated with hunting, which
23:58
Speaker 1: is a three oh eight round. UM. And so he
24:01
Speaker 1: had multiple platforms all of these weapons. It seems, at
24:05
Speaker 1: least initially that he has gotten conversion kits, which are
24:10
Speaker 1: not hard to get, and converted some of these weapons.
24:14
Speaker 1: And our theory is, at least I've been talking with
24:18
Speaker 1: some of my colleagues, our theory is is that he
24:21
Speaker 1: had multiple of these weapons preloaded and there's not a
24:24
Speaker 1: huge break when you listen to the sound, it just
24:27
Speaker 1: goes pop, tiny break and then he'll go to that
24:31
Speaker 1: Actually sounded like little pops. You're right, what's your point? Well,
24:34
Speaker 1: the point is is that he is laying down an
24:36
Speaker 1: incredible field of fire. You're firing down, literally on a
24:41
Speaker 1: field of people. We're talking twenty two thousand plus people, Nancy,
24:45
Speaker 1: in an area where they can't get to cover. Uh.
24:48
Speaker 1: You've got intersecting lanes of fire here. That's why they
24:51
Speaker 1: call it a kill box. If he doesn't hit you
24:54
Speaker 1: with a round. A lot of these people are being
24:56
Speaker 1: injured by uh by concrete and asphalt. It is being
25:00
Speaker 1: thrown up as little pieces, a little fragments. You've got
25:03
Speaker 1: grounds that are passing through bodies that are creating bone
25:06
Speaker 1: is ravenel. These people are getting dangerous. I hear you.
25:08
Speaker 1: I hear you, And you know what it's making me
25:10
Speaker 1: think of all the people, all the young, old, middle aged,
25:18
Speaker 1: and I'm so angry at that CBS executive. A lady
25:23
Speaker 1: I think a monk. She describes herself as mommy, a
25:26
Speaker 1: lawyer who claims they were all gun turning Republicans. And
25:30
Speaker 1: I have learned Dr Bethany that it's not about Republicans
25:37
Speaker 1: or Democrats. It is not about what your beliefs are.
25:44
Speaker 1: These are people running for their lives. Sunny Melon, a
25:48
Speaker 1: twenty nine year old nurse, shot in the back as
25:52
Speaker 1: he and his wife Heather, tried to run Jordan's mckilldoon
25:57
Speaker 1: just twenty three years old. A mechanic I prey Us
26:00
Speaker 1: was there with his girlfriend. He shot dead Quentin Robbins twenty,
26:05
Speaker 1: along with kindergarten teacher and mother of two Jenny Parks,
26:10
Speaker 1: Susan Smith, office manager, fifty three dead. Denise Broditas fifty
26:18
Speaker 1: died in her husband Tony's arms, just minutes after she
26:22
Speaker 1: posts a happy photo of themselves at the festival. A
26:26
Speaker 1: mother of four, Jessica Climbed Chuck, Adrian Murphitt thirty five,
26:32
Speaker 1: John Pippin, Rhonda Leco, Dana Gardner, Billy Schweitzer, Angie Gomez,
26:40
Speaker 1: a school's secretary, Lisa Romero, Charleston, Hartsville. All of these
26:46
Speaker 1: people have grieving families. And when I hear somebody say,
26:51
Speaker 1: and you know me, I hate all politicians. I hate
26:54
Speaker 1: the Democrats. I hate the Republicans because they all lie
26:58
Speaker 1: whenever it suits them. I can't believe that people are
27:03
Speaker 1: saying they feel nothing for these moms and dads and
27:08
Speaker 1: young people slaughtered like animals by this guy. How could
27:15
Speaker 1: somebody even say that, Dr Bethany. You know, Nancy, you
27:18
Speaker 1: know what's interesting in my practice yesterday, my clinical practice,
27:22
Speaker 1: all my patients were talking about this. You know, almost
27:25
Speaker 1: every single one mentioned the CBS attorney. That's what struck everybody,
27:31
Speaker 1: the thrill kill, the killing, the loss of life. But
27:35
Speaker 1: then how could this mom, this attorney say that she
27:38
Speaker 1: had no sympathy for the victims. That it's it's hard
27:41
Speaker 1: to even shrink that one. It's so, it's so Calavis,
27:44
Speaker 1: did you know allegedly to representatives refused to take part
27:49
Speaker 1: in a moment of silence. What Look, I'm not saying
27:53
Speaker 1: any of these people the CBS person who CBS immediately
27:57
Speaker 1: fired her, we're in as they should have folutely. Uh So,
28:01
Speaker 1: it's not on CBS, is on the person that did it.
28:04
Speaker 1: It was representative Clark and Molten. Uh I don't understand
28:11
Speaker 1: why they would. Both Clark and Molten say they're refusing
28:17
Speaker 1: to recognize a moment of silence for these people. These
28:20
Speaker 1: people have lost perspective. I think that they don't see
28:24
Speaker 1: that these are real lives. This is a real crime,
28:27
Speaker 1: and this is not a political problem. This is a
28:30
Speaker 1: human problem, Nancy. It is so devastating. And can I
28:35
Speaker 1: say something about the shooter. I want to circle back
28:37
Speaker 1: to his motivation for a second. We're talking about all
28:40
Speaker 1: these different motivations. I think the motivation for this shoot
28:44
Speaker 1: or was that it was a thrill kill. I really
28:46
Speaker 1: think so, because what happens with these psychopaths is that
28:51
Speaker 1: they have a lot of internal deadness and boredom, and
28:54
Speaker 1: sometimes they have to to seek thrill seeking kind of environments, um,
29:01
Speaker 1: because that's the only way they can feel alive. And
29:03
Speaker 1: there's one thing that all shooters have in common, you know, Nancy,
29:07
Speaker 1: we've covered these kinds of stories together over the years
29:10
Speaker 1: you've had me to get as a guest on your show.
29:12
Speaker 1: All of these mash shootings have a fish in a
29:15
Speaker 1: barrel quality. Okay, so the shooters like to be at
29:19
Speaker 1: the top at the thirty second floor of a of
29:23
Speaker 1: a hotel, at the top of the stairway, walking into
29:26
Speaker 1: a classroom that's locked so that people can't get out, um,
29:30
Speaker 1: at the top of the stadium. Have you ever noticed
29:33
Speaker 1: that that there's a fish in a barrel quality. That's
29:35
Speaker 1: even though shooters are a heterogeneous group, that no two
29:39
Speaker 1: shooters are alike. The m O is always similar in
29:42
Speaker 1: these mass shootings. There are a couple other similarities in
29:47
Speaker 1: the cases of these mass shootings that it was reported
29:50
Speaker 1: that the shooter had a significant loss in the love
29:53
Speaker 1: relationship just prior to the shooting, and almost all of
29:56
Speaker 1: them bragged about their intent either online or with a
30:00
Speaker 1: with a loved one prior to the shooting. So this
30:03
Speaker 1: is what we know they have in common. Even though
30:05
Speaker 1: the motivations are different, the m O is always similar.
30:09
Speaker 1: Cheryl White, speaking of the work inner workings of the mind,
30:13
Speaker 1: what did the mother tell the children about their bank
30:17
Speaker 1: robber dad? And this is the Vegas mass shooters father,
30:22
Speaker 1: who was the bank robber that went on the LAMB
30:24
Speaker 1: and was on the FBI Most Wanted list and alluded
30:27
Speaker 1: police for years. What did his mother tell him? Well, apparently,
30:32
Speaker 1: according to the shooters brother who lives in Orlando, their
30:36
Speaker 1: mom told him that their father had died. He was
30:39
Speaker 1: convicted in nineteen sixty one of a series of bank
30:41
Speaker 1: robberis the father, and he was in prison. So the
30:44
Speaker 1: mother just told them their father had died. Can you
30:47
Speaker 1: imagine finding out later who your father was and what
30:51
Speaker 1: he had done? He was in prison and escaped in
30:54
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight. He was on the FBI's most wanted
30:58
Speaker 1: list for almost all of the ninety seventies. So what
31:02
Speaker 1: a shocker that must have been. You know, I'm looking
31:04
Speaker 1: at all the heroes. Um, a teen Vegas survivor, says
31:10
Speaker 1: the hero stranger picked her up, threw her over his
31:13
Speaker 1: shoulder after she was shot in the leg and couldn't escape,
31:17
Speaker 1: and she lived to tell the story. Shot in the
31:21
Speaker 1: back and still the very best of mother. A brand
31:24
Speaker 1: new mother risks her life to shield a gun down
31:28
Speaker 1: police officer boyfriend during the Vegas attack. She's shot in
31:33
Speaker 1: the back, and she risks her life to shield a
31:39
Speaker 1: police officer in the Vegas attack. I mean the stories
31:44
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan of the human spirit, of people being brave,
31:53
Speaker 1: protecting others. It's overwhelming to me when I think about
31:59
Speaker 1: what they were living through at that moment. It's uh,
32:04
Speaker 1: it echoes uh in your in your heart. You you
32:09
Speaker 1: believe to you know, most of us can't even uh
32:13
Speaker 1: comprehend the terror and the helplessness. And for some reason,
32:18
Speaker 1: who knows what it is within us? Many people stood
32:22
Speaker 1: up in the midst of this horror and actually began
32:26
Speaker 1: to help people while rounds are being pumped in. All
32:29
Speaker 1: around you had police officers and e m T s
32:33
Speaker 1: and firefights. A lot of people are off duty, a
32:34
Speaker 1: lot of people do their job in other places, and
32:36
Speaker 1: we're in town. Began running towards the fire UH to
32:40
Speaker 1: put themselves in harm's way, to shield all of these
32:43
Speaker 1: innocent people, UH from this health that's raining down from above.
32:48
Speaker 1: And it is amazing these stories that are coming out
32:52
Speaker 1: and we're only hearing the beginning of it. You know,
32:54
Speaker 1: it reminds me of something. It reminds me of something
32:58
Speaker 1: I remember when I was I don't know why I
33:02
Speaker 1: was there. I was on the scene when the Olympic
33:06
Speaker 1: bombing occurred in Atlanta, as I was still in the
33:08
Speaker 1: District Attorney's office, and I remember hearing the explosion and
33:16
Speaker 1: immediately the phone started ringing and I could see what happened.
33:20
Speaker 1: Jumped out of my car and started running toward whatever.
33:24
Speaker 1: I didn't know what exactly was happening, and looked around
33:28
Speaker 1: as I was getting closer. All around were people I
33:32
Speaker 1: knew from the District Attorney's office, other prosecutors, cops, fire
33:36
Speaker 1: people off due to e m T s all running
33:39
Speaker 1: toward the scene, not knowing what was going to happen,
33:45
Speaker 1: And of course we spent the rest of the night
33:47
Speaker 1: into till lunchtime afternoon the next day processing the scene,
33:53
Speaker 1: speaking to witnesses. I remember that moment. But these people
33:58
Speaker 1: at the Vegas you ding, it was ongoing. People were
34:04
Speaker 1: still being gunned down. You could still hear that popping sound,
34:09
Speaker 1: is screaming, and they still stood up. They protected each other,
34:15
Speaker 1: they fought back. What is going on in a Florida
34:21
Speaker 1: public school? Wait till you hear the ladies. But I
34:25
Speaker 1: can tell you this, if these allegations are true and
34:29
Speaker 1: this happened to my children, I would be lying on
34:34
Speaker 1: the courthouse steps screaming for justice. I'm so Mattica, you
34:37
Speaker 1: and Nail and half I mean and see Grace, this
34:40
Speaker 1: is crime stories. Thank you for being with us. I
34:43
Speaker 1: want to go straight out to two veteran investigative reporters
34:47
Speaker 1: joining me from the Northwest Florida Daily Needs with me,
34:50
Speaker 1: how there, Osborne and Tom McLoughlin. To both of you,
34:54
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Tom, exactly what do
34:57
Speaker 1: we know of the allegations in the case, I guess,
35:00
Speaker 1: a little autistic boy. What we know for sure is
35:04
Speaker 1: that there was his four year old non verbal autistic boy,
35:09
Speaker 1: and there were allegations brought by a teacher's aid that
35:15
Speaker 1: a teacher had been hurting this this, this young child.
35:19
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, right, we're right there. A four year
35:22
Speaker 1: old child. Okay, a four year old child is so defenseless.
35:28
Speaker 1: Add on to that, it's a little autistic boy, a
35:31
Speaker 1: little non verbal, is what I think I heard you said.
35:35
Speaker 1: I'm about to be joined by Noah's dad, Eddie Parillo.
35:39
Speaker 1: A non verbal autistic child is being hurt. Those are
35:45
Speaker 1: the allegations surrounding little Noah. What do you mean by hurt?
35:49
Speaker 1: Tom McLoughlin, Tom and Hea, they're joining me from Northwest
35:52
Speaker 1: Florida Daily Knews, Tom, what do you mean by hurt?
35:55
Speaker 1: There were allegations that that, um, there was vinegar being
36:01
Speaker 1: used in disciplining this child. Hold on, Tom uh, Heather
36:06
Speaker 1: Osborne and Tom McLoughlin to veteran investigative reporters joining me
36:10
Speaker 1: have her. When Tom says vinegar was being used, somebody
36:15
Speaker 1: told me the other day about the apple cider vinegar diet. Well, okay,
36:19
Speaker 1: I go in there and take a big slug. I
36:21
Speaker 1: nearly choked dead. Okay, uh, and my esophagus burn, I
36:27
Speaker 1: swear for I don't know how many days after that
36:30
Speaker 1: chugging the apple cider vinegar have their osborne. So when
36:34
Speaker 1: Tom says vinegar is being used allegedly on a four
36:38
Speaker 1: year old boy, what does he mean by that? You know,
36:41
Speaker 1: the teacher said that she used the vinegar to spray
36:43
Speaker 1: on the children's hands as a way to sanitize. Well,
36:46
Speaker 1: I think one allegation may have been that she was
36:49
Speaker 1: using vinegar to possibly spray the students in the mouth
36:53
Speaker 1: or even the face. And we're not quite true sanitized
36:56
Speaker 1: child's hands. That's not a problem, okay, So that's not
37:00
Speaker 1: really even an allegation. That's okay. I'm asking what are
37:07
Speaker 1: the claims against the teacher? This has not gone to
37:11
Speaker 1: a jury trial. We don't know the truth of it.
37:13
Speaker 1: I get it. That's why we keep saying allegedly and allegations.
37:17
Speaker 1: You know what joining me right now is Eddie Parillo,
37:19
Speaker 1: the father four year old Noah. Eddie, thank you for
37:24
Speaker 1: being with me. Can somebody explain to me what are
37:28
Speaker 1: the claims? What is being said yet to be proven,
37:33
Speaker 1: that was done to your four year old son? They
37:37
Speaker 1: abuse reported state, spraying him with the vinegar bottle, throwing
37:41
Speaker 1: him to the ground, kicking him when he was on
37:45
Speaker 1: the ground, holding his face against a brick wall, putting
37:49
Speaker 1: him in a closed basket with a pillow on top
37:52
Speaker 1: and holding him in there with her foot, putting having
37:56
Speaker 1: a wand with fabric on the end with liquid, shoving
37:59
Speaker 1: it in his mouth, all kinds of awful stuff, and
38:04
Speaker 1: keeping food from him and other kids. You're saying the
38:09
Speaker 1: abuse report states that I've got in my hand the
38:15
Speaker 1: claims and the police report. It's a very, very long document,
38:23
Speaker 1: but I do see the findings also at the end, findings,
38:28
Speaker 1: and I'm assuming that these findings are actually from human
38:32
Speaker 1: resources within the school that states, based on these circumstances
38:37
Speaker 1: and proponents of evidence, the teacher violated the rules and
38:41
Speaker 1: treated her students inappropriately. Ednie, how did these claims of
38:47
Speaker 1: spray vinegar and your little boy's face around his eyes,
38:52
Speaker 1: his mouth, putting him at the bottom of a basket
38:55
Speaker 1: and covering him up and holding him down with your foot,
38:58
Speaker 1: throwing him down on the lord, hitting him, and kicking him.
39:02
Speaker 1: Those are some of the allegations. This is a four
39:05
Speaker 1: year old autistic boy. What school was this Eddie Elementary
39:11
Speaker 1: inclus County Form Beach, Florida. Is that a public school? Yes?
39:17
Speaker 1: What Why was your four year old at that school?
39:20
Speaker 1: Is that in your neighborhood? Is that how he ended
39:22
Speaker 1: up there? It's right around the corner from my house.
39:25
Speaker 1: And they have a sc class. He started there when
39:29
Speaker 1: he was three years old. It's it's exceptional student education.
39:33
Speaker 1: That's what E s E stands for kids like a
39:36
Speaker 1: learning delay. Okay, I got you. So he's in a
39:39
Speaker 1: special class to help him. He's four years old. Boy,
39:42
Speaker 1: that's just a little bitty baby, you know, four years old.
39:46
Speaker 1: He's been only been on the earth forty eight months.
39:49
Speaker 1: Four years old. Why would a teacher hit or kick
39:54
Speaker 1: your baby and spray vinegar in its face? Why? What
39:58
Speaker 1: was the what was the she trying to achieve? She
40:02
Speaker 1: said she was trying to get him to talk. She
40:06
Speaker 1: was that was the way she had learned how to
40:10
Speaker 1: deal with kids with his kind of magnets. It's just
40:16
Speaker 1: the way she thought. Supposedly, she was doing what she
40:20
Speaker 1: needed to do to control him, which he's not out
40:23
Speaker 1: of control. Baby. Back to our reporters, Heather Osborne and
40:27
Speaker 1: Tom McLaughlin. I'm reading the documents that I think you
40:30
Speaker 1: have as well. And I'm looking at the human resource
40:33
Speaker 1: findings and it says at least eight employees have had
40:37
Speaker 1: concerns regarding this teacher and how she interacted with her
40:41
Speaker 1: disabled students. Okay, so at least eight people had concerns, Uh, Tom,
40:49
Speaker 1: did they voice the concerns? Did they tell the principle? Well, now,
40:53
Speaker 1: this whole thing started as a mediation between the teacher
40:56
Speaker 1: involved and a teacher's aide and the teacher. The teacher's
41:01
Speaker 1: aid um began making allegations that the teacher involved ms
41:07
Speaker 1: Stillians was abusing the children and that when they moved
41:12
Speaker 1: beyond from what they tell us, they moved beyond the
41:15
Speaker 1: mediation and into uh investigations. Let me understand something, Eddie
41:20
Speaker 1: Parillo with me. Is Noah's father, Eddie, when did you
41:23
Speaker 1: find out about all this? You've got eight people, eight employees,
41:27
Speaker 1: saying yeah, we were worried. Well, why didn't they do
41:30
Speaker 1: something about it? When did you finally learn your child,
41:33
Speaker 1: your four year old non verbal autistic child, was allegedly
41:38
Speaker 1: being kicked, thrown in the floor, hit, sprayed in the
41:42
Speaker 1: face with vinegar. When when did you find out all this?
41:45
Speaker 1: I found out about the investigation at the end of
41:48
Speaker 1: the two thousand sixteen two thousand seventy school year, so
41:51
Speaker 1: about a year, just over a year after the investigation
41:54
Speaker 1: have been done, and a teacher in question was transferred
41:57
Speaker 1: to another school which all the kids have more of
42:01
Speaker 1: a disability than my son. How can they speak out
42:06
Speaker 1: if those children are even more disabled, how can they
42:10
Speaker 1: speak out about what's happening to them? They can't. Just
42:13
Speaker 1: as my son, he couldn't come home and tell me, Daddy,
42:17
Speaker 1: my teacher is hurting me. He physically couldn't do it.
42:22
Speaker 1: So therefore it went out, went without being known by myself,
42:27
Speaker 1: and the school district failed to tell me about investigations.
42:30
Speaker 1: Eddie Parillo, could you tell his behavior changed or did
42:33
Speaker 1: you think he was having even more problems with his autism? Well? Yeah,
42:37
Speaker 1: I could tell. When he was in the class with
42:39
Speaker 1: his teacher, he uh, he became more aggressive and would
42:43
Speaker 1: act up more at home, became more aggressive towards his
42:46
Speaker 1: little brother. But as soon as the next school year,
42:50
Speaker 1: when he had another teacher, his aggression he didn't have any.
42:55
Speaker 1: His whole behavior went back to a normal little kid.
42:59
Speaker 1: What's amazing to me is this happened, and the investigation happened,
43:03
Speaker 1: and she was already shipped off to another school a
43:06
Speaker 1: year before you found out anything had even occurred, Um, Eddie,
43:11
Speaker 1: how did you find out? One day? I went to
43:14
Speaker 1: the school and walking in the hallways, I ran into
43:18
Speaker 1: an acquaintance and was there and just started talking, having conversation,
43:23
Speaker 1: and they brought up the investigation, and I didn't know
43:25
Speaker 1: what they were talking about. And they realized I didn't
43:28
Speaker 1: know what they were talking about and looked at me
43:30
Speaker 1: and said, you might want to get a copy of
43:32
Speaker 1: the abuse support was done, that was done last year.
43:34
Speaker 1: It's all about your son being abused and what happened then.
43:37
Speaker 1: And then I contacted the school district, the HR and
43:41
Speaker 1: for two weeks almost they denied any knowledge of abuse investigation,
43:46
Speaker 1: and after about two weeks they finally I told him
43:50
Speaker 1: I was going to call the National Autism Society and
43:53
Speaker 1: in the good the State Attorney's office that I knew
43:56
Speaker 1: there was a report done at that time. They admitted
43:58
Speaker 1: there was a report done and told me could get
44:00
Speaker 1: it a couple of days and they provided me with it.
44:04
Speaker 1: You basically had to threaten them before you found out
44:06
Speaker 1: what had happened, Karen, start with me. Psychologists out of
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Speaker 1: New York joining me along with Heather Osborne, Tom McLoughlin,
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Speaker 1: both from the Northwest Florida Daily News, and Eddie Perilla,
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Speaker 1: the boy's father. Karen, what is autism? Autism is a
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Speaker 1: developmental usually genetic. They're thinking disease. It's it's a spectrum.
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Speaker 1: So it's the autism spectrum, which means that it exists
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Speaker 1: along continuum nancy and it can go from UM severe
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Speaker 1: symptoms to UM much much much less and highly functioning.
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Speaker 1: So usually the symptoms are a failure to engage in
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Speaker 1: UM typical babbling while pointing in infancy, failure to make
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Speaker 1: eye contact, which you can see a lot of autism,
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Speaker 1: failure to respond to one's own name. UM. There's a
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Speaker 1: real sensitivity to sensory put movements such as rocking, difficulty
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Speaker 1: playing or interacting with peers, talking about feelings, understanding people's
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Speaker 1: feelings or voice, body language gestures, obsessive interest in a
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Speaker 1: particular topic, and difficulty breaking from routine. It is not
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Speaker 1: unusual to be non verbal. You know what's hurting me
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Speaker 1: so much? Kiaren? Is this baby he's forty eight months old?
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Speaker 1: Is according to hr being abused in the classroom and
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Speaker 1: can't speak for himself. He can't, that's correct. And I
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Speaker 1: really don't know any um way of coping and teaching
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Speaker 1: with autism that involves punishment. I mean, there's positive rewards
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Speaker 1: and negative rewards, but not psychologists. And I know that
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Speaker 1: teachers and administrators, we take courses that teach us that
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Speaker 1: we are obligated to report any sign of abuse toward
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Speaker 1: a child very specifically. So there's nothing about this that's okay.
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Speaker 1: It's really really damaging to Eddie Parillo, Noah's dad, Eddie,
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Speaker 1: when you found out that there had been an entire
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Speaker 1: abuse investigation and it was done, and the teacher had
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Speaker 1: been shipped off and nobody told you about it, what
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Speaker 1: was your response, I mean, how did you feel when
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Speaker 1: you learned all this? Do you remember that moment? Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: I was. When I got a copy of the report.
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Speaker 1: I was by myself in the car reading it. And
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Speaker 1: you know, you can only imagine what goes through your
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Speaker 1: head as a parent that your son can't come home
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Speaker 1: and tell you and verbalize and tell you what's going
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Speaker 1: on with him at school, and the fact that they
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Speaker 1: all these people knew about it, and then come forward
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Speaker 1: till there was this little problem between the aid and
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Speaker 1: the teacher, so he was subjected to a lot more
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Speaker 1: abuse because of people didn't come forward. And then when
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Speaker 1: they did the investigation and there was confirmed findings of
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Speaker 1: the allegations from the school district people that they hit
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Speaker 1: it from you for over a year and then when
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Speaker 1: I questioned them about it, they still continued to So
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Speaker 1: let me understand, where does the case stand now? Is
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Speaker 1: that a criminal investigation? Have there been any arrest made?
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Speaker 1: Tom McLaughlin? Is it just a human resources issue? They
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Speaker 1: filed um charges against three people UM, including four charges
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Speaker 1: against Marline Stilliams, who's the teacher UM. They also filed
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Speaker 1: a charge charges against the investigator, the school district investigator,
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Speaker 1: for failure to report. He's a mandated reporter as all
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Speaker 1: the educators in the school system are, and the principle
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Speaker 1: at the at the school um Ms Vaughan was also
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Speaker 1: charged with failing to report. So let me understand, Heather Osborne,
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Speaker 1: three people have been criminally charged and the alleged abuse
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Speaker 1: of four year old Noah, an artistic nonverbal child there
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Speaker 1: at kin would elementary pre K and they are let
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Speaker 1: me understand this the principle, the teacher, and someone that
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Speaker 1: was uh supposed to report abuse. Are those the three
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Speaker 1: people criminally charged, Heather Osborne. Yes, The third was actually
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Speaker 1: the investigator who went into the school, like Tim was
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Speaker 1: saying earlier, was also arrested for failure to report child
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Speaker 1: abuse to the Department in Children and Families Abuse Hotline. Well,
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Speaker 1: that is very scary to me, Eddie Parillo. This is
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Speaker 1: Noah's dad joining us because as a former prosecutor, all
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Speaker 1: those years that I prosecuted felonies in inner city Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: I counted on teachers to come forward if they thought
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Speaker 1: a child was being abused. Okay, and even to this day,
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Speaker 1: I have suspected abuse in certain children and I have
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Speaker 1: told principles and teachers about it, as i've now as
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Speaker 1: we are on Sirius X two, And when I find
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Speaker 1: out that an investigator is not reporting, I mean typically Eddie,
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Speaker 1: they're reporting they think a parent or guardian is abusing
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Speaker 1: the child. But this time it's a teacher allegedly abusing
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Speaker 1: the child and they didn't report it. Eddie. Yes, I
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Speaker 1: don't know what to say. Yeah, they hit it and
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Speaker 1: didn't report it to DCF like they're mandated to or
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Speaker 1: anybody else. They didn't contact myself to let me know
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Speaker 1: what we're going on either. Well, one official says, I've
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Speaker 1: worked for twenty two years under four different superintendents and
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Speaker 1: something like this has never occurred. This is what we know.
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Speaker 1: The investigation goes on criminal charges pending with me now,
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Speaker 1: Eddie Parolo, little Noah's father or Heather Osborne, Tom McLaughlin
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Speaker 1: and Karen Stark psychologists joining us. We want justice for
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Speaker 1: this four year old little autistic boy, non verbal, who
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Speaker 1: couldn't come home and tell daddy that he was a beast.
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