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- 0:13Speaker 1: reaction and analysis from our 3,000 journalists and analysts around
- 0:17Speaker 1: the world.
- 0:19Speaker 4: It's election night in America. I'm Kayleigh Lyons alongside David Gurra.
- 0:22Speaker 4: We've been following the dramatic developments throughout the night. National
- 0:26Speaker 4: Democrats proving the polls were right all along. Sweeping the
- 0:29Speaker 4: House and Senate polls. taking control of Congress for the
- 0:32Speaker 4: final two years of President Trump's second term. Again, both
- 0:35Speaker 4: the House and Senate does look like it will be
- 0:37Speaker 4: under Democratic control come January. But races were won by
- 0:42Speaker 4: Democrats in places that they didn't dream of having a
- 0:45Speaker 4: chance just a few months ago. We are talking deep
- 0:48Speaker 4: red states like Kansas, like South Carolina, in which Democrats
- 0:51Speaker 4: have been able to pull off. Senate victories. You take
- 0:53Speaker 4: those two with the number of other battleground states we
- 0:56Speaker 4: understood coming in.
- 0:57Speaker 5: The night starting off with an emphatic start in Georgia
- 1:00Speaker 5: with John Ossoff winning that race there. But as you mentioned,
- 1:03Speaker 5: South Carolina, really something sort of sent a sort of
- 1:06Speaker 5: charged atmosphere through the room when that happened. That was
- 1:08Speaker 5: unexpected as we consider the legacy that Lindsey Graham had
- 1:11Speaker 5: in the U.S. Senate and the expectation here that his sister,
- 1:14Speaker 5: who was appointed by the president, be able to hold
- 1:16Speaker 5: on to that scene.
- 1:16Speaker 4: And of course, control of Congress is crucially important. But
- 1:19Speaker 4: gubernatorial victories have also gone to Democrats in a number
- 1:22Speaker 4: of critical states, including in Texas and Georgia. Important because
- 1:26Speaker 4: those two are two of the epicenters of the data
- 1:29Speaker 4: center build out in both of the Democratic candidates campaigned
- 1:32Speaker 4: in part on a platform of reining in data centers
- 1:35Speaker 4: or at the very least slowing their development until more
- 1:38Speaker 4: clear rules to protect the communities into which they are going.
- 1:41Speaker 4: are in place. It has major implications, of course, for
- 1:43Speaker 4: something that has been a juice of GDP growth in
- 1:46Speaker 4: the U.S. as of late and may have contributed to
- 1:48Speaker 4: some of the market jitters we saw earlier on this
- 1:51Speaker 4: evening as the results started to come in, though, of course,
- 1:54Speaker 4: futures have recovered somewhat from the losses we initially saw
- 1:57Speaker 4: down just about half a percent now on the NASDAQ 100.
- 2:00Speaker 5: We look at those races in the House that have
- 2:01Speaker 5: been called 215 seats for Democrats, 127 for Republicans, so
- 2:05Speaker 5: 93 that are outstanding here. But of course, the projection
- 2:07Speaker 5: is Democrats are going to substantially control the House of Representatives. Kayleigh,
- 2:11Speaker 5: we heard from Hakeem Jeffries, the presumptive Speaker of the
- 2:13Speaker 5: House earlier tonight, talking about the way in which he
- 2:15Speaker 5: plans to govern going forward. As we've been discussing over
- 2:17Speaker 5: the course of the last hour here, he has a
- 2:20Speaker 5: substantial margin now. It's not going to be a difficult
- 2:23Speaker 5: row for him to hoe here to try to rally
- 2:25Speaker 5: his caucus behind him.
- 2:26Speaker 4: And let's turn now to our political panel who's joining
- 2:28Speaker 4: us here at World Headquarters in New York. Patrick McHenry,
- 2:30Speaker 4: former chair of the House Financial Services Committee and House
- 2:32Speaker 4: Speaker Pro Tem, alongside Adam Hodge, managing director at Bully
- 2:36Speaker 4: Pulpit International and a Democratic strategist. Both of them are
- 2:39Speaker 4: Bloomberg contributors. Troy Jackson is making promises about what he's
- 2:43Speaker 4: going to do when he takes the oath and sits
- 2:45Speaker 4: in this seat in January. Tallarico was doing the same thing.
- 2:49Speaker 4: All of these candidates have big hopes for what happens
- 2:51Speaker 4: a couple months from now. But we still have to
- 2:53Speaker 4: finish out this congressional session before that happens. And Mr. Chairman,
- 2:57Speaker 4: I'll come to you first. This lame duck is going
- 2:59Speaker 4: to be potentially a very ambitious one for Republicans as
- 3:02Speaker 4: they hold on to their last breaths of power, at
- 3:04Speaker 4: least for the time being. What realistically can we expect
- 3:07Speaker 4: to get accomplished in their remaining time?
- 3:09Speaker 2: Well, I think they're far less ambitious as the night
- 3:12Speaker 2: is taking it out of them.
- 3:15Speaker 1: Right.
- 3:15Speaker 2: And on a night like this, the vibes going back
- 3:18Speaker 2: to D.C. among Republicans who are in the majority in
- 3:20Speaker 2: the House and the Senate. and do have an ambitious agenda,
- 3:24Speaker 2: will be of utter dejection. This is not some marginal outcome.
- 3:28Speaker 2: This is one where your party's been repudiated.
- 3:31Speaker 1: It hurts.
- 3:33Speaker 2: And it's very difficult to think clearly when you are
- 3:36Speaker 2: in pain and grieving. And so what is on the
- 3:40Speaker 2: agenda here for the lame duck is the National Defense
- 3:42Speaker 2: Authorization Act that the Congress has passed. every year since
- 3:46Speaker 2: Truman was president. I think they'll prioritize that. I think
- 3:50Speaker 2: they'll prioritize a continued resolution to punt this into keeping
- 3:54Speaker 2: the government open into next year. Mind you, it was
- 3:57Speaker 2: a fight with the Democratic Party and President Trump that
- 4:00Speaker 2: resulted in the largest government shutdown this Congress. in American history.
- 4:05Speaker 2: So I think we're going to see more of that
- 4:07Speaker 2: next year. But you'll have a CR, National Finance Authorization,
- 4:10Speaker 2: a CR, and perhaps a permitting reform bill that has
- 4:13Speaker 2: been prioritized by soon-to-be whip Brian Schatz.
- 4:19Speaker 5: Adam, you gave your props a minute ago to Hakeem
- 4:21Speaker 5: Jeffries and the focus that these Democratic candidates had. I
- 4:23Speaker 5: noticed that when I interviewed them, affordability was often the
- 4:26Speaker 5: first or second word that came out of each candidate's mouth.
- 4:29Speaker 5: How does he maintain that focus among his caucus going
- 4:31Speaker 5: forward here as he tries to prioritize a policy agenda
- 4:34Speaker 5: for them?
- 4:34Speaker 6: I think the fact that it is a such a
- 4:36Speaker 6: sizable majority and the majority will be made by a
- 4:39Speaker 6: lot of these moderate districts and moderate wins across the country.
- 4:43Speaker 6: you want to protect those incumbents in the sort of
- 4:46Speaker 6: more difficult seats that will then be to hold in 2028.
- 4:49Speaker 6: But there's no question, the focus from the very beginning
- 4:51Speaker 6: was on affordability. From the shutdown, which was about health
- 4:55Speaker 6: care and rising costs for the American people, that has
- 4:58Speaker 6: clearly been an undercurrent, also on top of gas prices.
- 5:03Speaker 6: I think you're going to see them try to focus
- 5:05Speaker 6: on that issue exclusively.
- 5:06Speaker 1: In the lame.
- 5:07Speaker 6: Duck, he will not be surprised if he tries to
- 5:09Speaker 6: actually help cut a little bit of deal to give
- 5:11Speaker 6: him some breathing room to whether that is a debt
- 5:14Speaker 6: limit extension, whether that is a CR that goes a
- 5:17Speaker 6: little bit more time for him to sort of corral
- 5:19Speaker 6: the caucus and get things moving. I think it'd be
- 5:21Speaker 6: in his political interest to try to do that. I
- 5:24Speaker 6: don't know that the Republicans will let him clear the
- 5:27Speaker 6: decks a little bit going forward, but there's no question
- 5:29Speaker 6: that would be in his interest. The defense bill is
- 5:33Speaker 6: a really tough one to see because I think... There
- 5:36Speaker 6: is clearly a backlash to the war and what it
- 5:39Speaker 6: has meant for the Republicans and the cost there. And
- 5:43Speaker 6: you're going to find a lot of voters that that
- 5:46Speaker 6: is the one check that they have. Do you continue
- 5:50Speaker 6: opening the purse to fund this war when it's clearly
- 5:53Speaker 6: backlash against so many dead Republicans in this race? So
- 5:57Speaker 6: I think that's where I think we'll see how things
- 5:59Speaker 6: shake out. But there's no question. Hakeem Jeffries will become speaker,
- 6:03Speaker 6: a historic speaker. with a much more comfortable margin and
- 6:06Speaker 6: a much more comfortable time ahead, the night ahead.
- 6:08Speaker 5: Patrick Henry, very quickly here, do Republicans feel emboldened now
- 6:13Speaker 5: going forward? Are they less under the control of the
- 6:14Speaker 5: president in light of what's happened here? Can they cut
- 6:16Speaker 5: the kind of deals that I was talking about?
- 6:18Speaker 2: No.
- 6:18Speaker 1: No, okay.
- 6:19Speaker 2: And the takeaway here was you're damned if you do,
- 6:22Speaker 2: you're damned if you don't. And so, separating for the president.
- 6:26Speaker 2: So they made the active choice to stick closely with him.
- 6:29Speaker 2: We see the results and everybody, you know, the House
- 6:31Speaker 2: was swept out in a very uniform fashion. The Senate
- 6:35Speaker 2: rode on candidate quality, but was uniform in fashion. This
- 6:38Speaker 2: is a substantial way for the Democratic Party. There is
- 6:41Speaker 2: no way to argue counter to that. What you do
- 6:45Speaker 2: with that is really a telltale sign. Do House Republicans
- 6:48Speaker 2: come in with the leadership elections that they have to
- 6:51Speaker 2: take on in the next couple weeks? Do they make
- 6:53Speaker 2: a change there? Do they double down on the direction
- 6:55Speaker 2: they're going? We'll see that take form in the next week.
- 6:58Speaker 2: But I think all light will be on the incoming
- 7:01Speaker 2: Democratic majority. crowning achievement will be a unified Democratic majority
- 7:09Speaker 2: in the House with his leadership team all going in
- 7:12Speaker 2: without any opposition, which is a substantial statement about unity
- 7:17Speaker 2: within the Democratic Party going into their control of Congress.
- 7:23Speaker 4: Decision Desk HQ projecting that the Democrat Abdul El-Sayed will
- 7:28Speaker 4: win in Michigan's Senate race against Mike Rogers. Of course,
- 7:32Speaker 4: this is not a pickup for Democrats. This is a hold.
- 7:35Speaker 4: This is the seat being vacated by the outgoing Democratic
- 7:37Speaker 4: Senator Gary Peters. That would make him the first Muslim
- 7:43Speaker 4: ever elected as a United States senator. And I raise
- 7:45Speaker 4: that not just because of the historical significance, David, but
- 7:48Speaker 4: because that had been a major issue, part of the
- 7:50Speaker 4: closing argument Mike Rogers was making against him in the
- 7:53Speaker 4: final stretches of this race. But it does seem Abdul
- 7:55Speaker 4: El-Sayed is going to hold on to this seat for Democrats.
- 7:57Speaker 4: All right.
- 7:58Speaker 5: President Trump's MAGA coalition just got vaporized over the course
- 8:01Speaker 5: of the night. That is the view from Ron Brownstein,
- 8:02Speaker 5: who is a Bloomberg Opinion columnist. He joins us now.
- 8:04Speaker 5: And Ron, I can't resist having you react to the
- 8:06Speaker 5: news that Kayleigh just read on our air a moment
- 8:08Speaker 5: ago here, the fact that Abdul El-Sayed has won this
- 8:10Speaker 5: race in Michigan. I know it is a state to
- 8:12Speaker 5: which you traveled during the course of this campaign. And
- 8:14Speaker 5: I'm just genuinely curious what your reaction is to this news.
- 8:18Speaker 3: Well, you know, over the last 10 years, it has
- 8:21Speaker 3: often seemed that President Trump has repealed all the laws
- 8:24Speaker 3: of political gravity.
- 8:26Speaker 1: But in this election, you know.
- 8:28Speaker 3: I've called it for months the Casablanca election because the
- 8:31Speaker 3: fundamental things apply. And the most fundamental thing in modern
- 8:35Speaker 3: midterm elections is that views of the incumbent president is
- 8:39Speaker 3: the single most important factor.
- 8:41Speaker 1: In the outcome.
- 8:42Speaker 3: And whatever else was going on in Michigan all year,
- 8:46Speaker 3: I have felt that the undertow of Trump disapproval made
- 8:50Speaker 3: it unlikely that Mike Rogers was going to get over
- 8:53Speaker 3: the top. And, you know, we saw in Michigan, I
- 8:54Speaker 3: think it was 60% of voters disapproved.
- 8:57Speaker 1: Let's see, let's see the exact number.
- 8:58Speaker 3: 60% of voters disapproved of Trump's performance in the voter poll.
- 9:02Speaker 1: And 81% of them voted for El-Sayed. And that is
- 9:06Speaker 1: the basic story. That is the story, guys, nationwide.
- 9:10Speaker 3: You know, at five o'clock, when the networks put up
- 9:14Speaker 3: the very first result from the voter poll, which is
- 9:17Speaker 3: kind of the successor to the exit poll, and it
- 9:19Speaker 3: said 62% of voters disapproved.
- 9:22Speaker 1: Of Trump's performance nationwide.
- 9:23Speaker 3: At that point, it really was only a question of
- 9:26Speaker 3: how much, not whether, Republicans would face a resounding defeat.
- 9:31Speaker 3: you know, 84% of those people who disapproved of Trump
- 9:34Speaker 3: voted Democratic, according to the poll for the House. And
- 9:36Speaker 3: we saw in every state that Democrats flipped, every Republican
- 9:41Speaker 3: held Senate seat, the Democrats flipped, a majority of voters
- 9:44Speaker 3: disapproved of Trump, including in states where he won 55%
- 9:47Speaker 3: or the vote or more just two years ago, Ohio, Texas, Iowa, Kansas,
- 9:52Speaker 3: South Carolina, that level of disapproval was just an insurmountable
- 9:56Speaker 3: undertow for Republicans.
- 9:57Speaker 4: OK, so if your core thesis here, Ron, is that
- 10:00Speaker 4: this fundamentally was about Trump, do we learn anything from
- 10:03Speaker 4: the fact that a progressive like Al Sayed was able
- 10:06Speaker 4: to win in a purple state of Michigan? Because I'm
- 10:09Speaker 4: sure progressives are going to try to claim, look, we
- 10:12Speaker 4: can do it. This is a winning strategy. Is that
- 10:15Speaker 4: the actual lesson that should be learned?
- 10:18Speaker 1: Well, we're going to have to study the results.
- 10:20Speaker 3: But, you know, it is one thing to win in
- 10:23Speaker 3: a purple state in a moment where the national environment
- 10:26Speaker 3: is like plus 11 or plus 12 for Democrats. And
- 10:30Speaker 3: it's another thing to potentially win it in a more
- 10:32Speaker 3: neutral environment in 2028.
- 10:34Speaker 1: You know, El Sayed didn't really.
- 10:36Speaker 3: Underperform among voters who disapprove of Trump relative to other
- 10:41Speaker 3: Democrats around the country.
- 10:42Speaker 1: I mean, Troy Jackson was similar. kind of situation.
- 10:45Speaker 3: Peggy Flanagan in Minnesota may have underperformed a little, but
- 10:50Speaker 3: they won in an environment when the whole field was
- 10:53Speaker 3: tilted pretty dramatically toward Democrats. Whether that means AOC can
- 10:58Speaker 3: win Michigan in a more even environment in a presidential race,
- 11:01Speaker 3: when more of those culturally conservative non-college voters are likely
- 11:05Speaker 3: to come out, that's a whole different issue. But there's
- 11:07Speaker 3: no question that in this election, disappointment, disenchantment with Trump's
- 11:14Speaker 3: results over his two years was the dominant factor.
- 11:18Speaker 1: And it really outweighed everything else.
- 11:20Speaker 3: In addition to 62 percent of voters disapproving of him,
- 11:23Speaker 3: I'm just struck that in this voter.
- 11:25Speaker 1: Poll, two thirds of America, two thirds of.
- 11:27Speaker 3: Voters said his tariffs and his overall economic agenda did
- 11:32Speaker 3: more to harm than help the economy. And again, that
- 11:36Speaker 3: is a very hard undertow to swim away from if
- 11:38Speaker 3: you're a Republican candidate.
- 11:40Speaker 1: And all of them never tried over the two years.
- 11:42Speaker 3: They left their fingerprints on all the policies that Americans opposed,
- 11:45Speaker 3: the war, the tariffs, the Medicaid cuts, and they lashed
- 11:48Speaker 3: themselves to Trump in a way that made it very
- 11:50Speaker 3: easy for Democrats to tie them to his unpopularity.
- 11:54Speaker 5: Ron, I want to ask you about the white working class.
- 11:56Speaker 5: And I think for the last decade, Democrats have been
- 11:58Speaker 5: tying themselves in knots after the 2016 election, trying to
- 12:01Speaker 5: figure out if they could regain support from that part
- 12:03Speaker 5: of the electorate. Curious how you see that story developing
- 12:07Speaker 5: over the course of tonight. Seems like Republicanism, as it's evolved,
- 12:11Speaker 5: really had kind of intertwined itself with Trumpism. Where are
- 12:15Speaker 5: we in that revolution?
- 12:16Speaker 1: Where are we in that evolution.
- 12:17Speaker 6: I should say?
- 12:18Speaker 5: And so what does it say about the the the
- 12:20Speaker 5: ability of the Democratic Party to get votes back from
- 12:22Speaker 5: the white working class in this country?
- 12:25Speaker 3: On a national basis, guys, they only made modest gains
- 12:29Speaker 3: among white working class voters, but they did make slightly
- 12:31Speaker 3: larger gains. in the Midwest and Plains states that were
- 12:36Speaker 3: at the tipping point here. In Michigan, Kansas, Iowa, they
- 12:40Speaker 3: gained a little more than they did nationally. But non-college whites,
- 12:45Speaker 3: that white working class, is inexorably shrinking as a share
- 12:48Speaker 3: of the electorate, two to three points.
- 12:49Speaker 1: Every four years.
- 12:51Speaker 3: And I thought even more important was what happened tonight
- 12:53Speaker 3: with the non-white working class, because, you know, that demographic
- 12:58Speaker 3: contraction of the key Republican groups, working class whites and
- 13:02Speaker 3: evangelical whites, really puts Republicans in a long-term demographic squeeze.
- 13:07Speaker 3: Trump pointed to a way out of that squeeze in
- 13:09Speaker 3: 2024 when he dramatically improved his performance among non-white voters,
- 13:15Speaker 3: particularly those without college degrees. He won about 40 percent
- 13:18Speaker 3: of them, according to the Pew Research Center, more than
- 13:21Speaker 3: double what he won in 2016. But those gains were
- 13:25Speaker 3: really what were vaporized tonight. And if you look at
- 13:28Speaker 3: the results among Latino voters, Asian-American voters, black men, young men,
- 13:33Speaker 3: all the groups that moved toward Trump in 24, all
- 13:36Speaker 3: of them swung back toward Democrats. They didn't swing all
- 13:39Speaker 3: the way back to where they were in the Obama years.
- 13:41Speaker 3: But essentially what we saw tonight was an erasure of
- 13:45Speaker 3: all the gains Trump made with those groups from 20
- 13:48Speaker 3: to 24 and without improved performance among those growing groups.
- 13:54Speaker 3: That squeeze comes back into play because even though Republicans
- 13:57Speaker 3: remain very strong among those non-college whites, even though they
- 14:00Speaker 3: suffered only modest erosion among them, the longer term reality
- 14:04Speaker 3: is that they are a smaller share of the electorate
- 14:06Speaker 3: every two years.
- 14:06Speaker 1: Than they were before.
- 14:07Speaker 4: Well, so let's look forward two years to 2028, because
- 14:10Speaker 4: that cycle begins tomorrow. Let's be real, Ron. And as
- 14:14Speaker 4: you point to the Obama years, when he was able
- 14:17Speaker 4: to pick up Iowa, and we now have a Democrat
- 14:19Speaker 4: winning state ride, two of them in Iowa in the
- 14:21Speaker 4: Senate and gubernatorial races, when we've also seen Democrats win
- 14:24Speaker 4: in Kansas, once again in Ohio, in South Carolina. How
- 14:27Speaker 4: does this fundamentally reshape in Texas? Yes, how could I
- 14:31Speaker 4: forget the electoral college picture that we will be looking
- 14:35Speaker 4: at two years from now?
- 14:36Speaker 3: I was at Lloyd Benson's ranch with Michael Dukakis in 1980,
- 14:41Speaker 3: the last time a Democrat won a Senate seat. I'm
- 14:42Speaker 3: pretty sure it was because of the LBJ law that
- 14:45Speaker 3: allowed Benson to run both for vice president and Senate.
- 14:49Speaker 1: Well, look, first of all, even a victory of.
- 14:52Speaker 3: This magnitude in a midterm does not guarantee victory. success
- 14:56Speaker 3: for the party out of the White House in the
- 14:57Speaker 3: presidential race two years later.
- 14:59Speaker 1: But it is also true that every.
- 15:03Speaker 3: Time a president has been as unpopular as Trump is now,
- 15:07Speaker 3: at least since the turn of the 20th century, his
- 15:09Speaker 3: party has lost the race to succeed him in the
- 15:12Speaker 3: White House. I Harry Truman, 1952, Lyndon Johnson, 68, George W. Bush, 06, 08,
- 15:20Speaker 3: excuse me, Biden in 24. In each case, an unpopular president,
- 15:25Speaker 3: when they left the White House, the White House flipped.
- 15:27Speaker 3: So what Trump does in the next two years, I think,
- 15:30Speaker 3: is really significant. If he remains this unpopular in 2028,
- 15:36Speaker 3: The possession arrow will point toward the Democrats, I think,
- 15:38Speaker 3: in the presidential race. It doesn't guarantee they're going to win,
- 15:40Speaker 3: but I think they will have to be favored. And
- 15:43Speaker 3: what you saw, you know, in a presidential year, it
- 15:46Speaker 3: is going to be tougher for Democrats to win some
- 15:48Speaker 3: of these states because, as I said— the electorate will
- 15:50Speaker 3: tilt more toward those culturally conservative working class white voters
- 15:54Speaker 3: who are still leaning pretty heavily Republican. But there is
- 15:58Speaker 3: no guarantee after these results that a Republican in 28
- 16:03Speaker 3: can count on Ohio, Iowa, much less Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin.
- 16:07Speaker 1: And potentially even Texas. I mean, these were not close
- 16:10Speaker 1: races in Texas.
- 16:11Speaker 3: I mean, Tallarico won going away and the collapse among,
- 16:17Speaker 3: you know, Trump won a majority of Latino voters in
- 16:19Speaker 3: Texas in 2024. All of the exit polls agreed. 69%
- 16:24Speaker 3: disapproved of his performance in tonight's polling. And the vast
- 16:29Speaker 3: majority of Texas Latinos said the ICE enforcement has gone
- 16:32Speaker 3: too far. If Texas is on, you know, I wrote
- 16:35Speaker 3: during Trump's first term, that the MAGA agenda would be
- 16:38Speaker 3: a viable political strategy for Republicans only so long as
- 16:42Speaker 3: it still allowed them to hold a diversifying and urbanizing Texas.
- 16:47Speaker 1: And that is now in question.
- 16:48Speaker 5: Ron Brownstein, columnist for Bloomberg Opinion. Thank you very much
- 16:50Speaker 5: for your perspective tonight. His column, Trump's MAGA Coalition Just
- 16:53Speaker 5: Got Vaporized, available now on Bloomberg.com and the Bloomberg Terminal.
- 16:56Speaker 5: And Kayleigh, we're getting some word here from Elon Musk.
- 16:58Speaker 5: He's weighing in on these results.
- 16:59Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 17:00Speaker 4: After spending hundreds of million dollars in these midterms unsuccessfully,
- 17:03Speaker 4: he says data centers in space looking pretty appealing right now,
- 17:06Speaker 4: followed by guess my election interfering space lasers didn't work
- 17:11Speaker 4: this time.