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Gareth Haylings | The Christian Reeve Podcast #234 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of The Christian Brief
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  Podcast. Today's guest is a software
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  engineer and inventor. This is the first to me.
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  His name is Gareth Haylings. Welcome to the show.
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  How you doing there? Hi Christian, This is a real
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  pleasure. So we've been following each
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  other for some time, I think on TikTok, and every now and again
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  you pop in a few times it's been like, hey, I'm doing this music
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  stuff. Other times, like the other day
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  you're showing us these like really, really cool inventions.
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  And actually it was my, it was a combination of me wanting to get
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  you on the show and also people in my audience, like at least
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  three people were like, you should get him on the show, you
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  should get him on the show. So I'm like, here you go guys.
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  Gareth's on the show, so you ask and I deliver.
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  You might regret it because I have some.
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  I'm I'm quite an eccentric person, quite outgoing.
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  But I I'll show you whatever you want to see.
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  I love it, man. I think that's this part of
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  being British really, isn't it the eccentricity thing?
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  And forgive me, I'm having my morning coffee.
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  So, oh, that's so good. I'm still working up myself,
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  right? There's different ways I could
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  kind of begin this, but I want to kind of delve into you and
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  computer software because I think this is really
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  interesting, like you by developing computer software at
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  the age of. 10, That's right, yes.
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  Do you remember about that? Yeah.
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  Walk us through that like the different types of software you
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  developed and also like how it's changed over the years as well.
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  Right. OK, I started.
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  Well, I was born in 1971, so you may have gone right back to my
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  birth. I struggled in school like.
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  Kids and in the in those years you were actually taken as slow
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  as you put her back her class and forgotten about.
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  At the age of 10. I was in primary school and one
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  of the teachers said, oh, I think he might have dyslexia or
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  something. So my parents took me to a
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  place, a specialist in Bath. And the specialist said, yeah,
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  he's got a very high IQ, which means nothing, really, very high
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  IQ. I've got one like 140.
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  My IQ is, which means nothing really.
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  IQ doesn't mean anything. No IQ.
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  It's, it's good, but it's. Everybody's intelligent.
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  There's no no dumb people. I beg to differ with that, but
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  okay. Anyway, what this.
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  What this? I think his name is Doctor
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  Bramley. Or he actually said to my
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  parents, get him a computer. So they got me my computer and
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  my sister and myself started playing around with it just as
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  you normally do. This was back in 1980, I think,
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  and then I started writing little programs from computer
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  magazines because at the time there was no Internet.
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  So that's where my journey started.
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  And then from that I actually started creating little
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  programs. One called running, but they
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  weren't very good. But I never published anything.
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  But they were just little programs.
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  And then over the years then I started developing stuff myself.
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  I've never published anything officially.
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  Going let's jump forward to, I think it was 2012.
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  I got involved with MIT, so I got out.
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  So it's basically it's an open source project.
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  It's called App Inventor. Some people might know this,
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  It's actually you can develop stuff on an Android phone.
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  So I actually joined an open source group where I started
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  creating the program language. For black block languages.
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  So I actually got some myself in there which made my ego massive.
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  So it's things where if you know about computers is converting
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  hexadecimal different things. Probably made things which was
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  like audio real time audio manipulation.
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  So you could talk into your phone and then it would it would
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  actually, it's called squishy talking, so you could actually
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  it doesn't actually work on the phone anymore because it's
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  Android has changed. At the same time I was getting
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  into robots. So what happened back in 2000,
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  and I think it was 2003 where my kids were born.
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  So I've got twins, I've got a daughter and a a son.
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  And I, I said to my wife because if we got a robot, this was, I
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  don't know whether it was for me or for them, me really.
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  I think so. We had these robots and we had
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  them for a couple of years and they were expensive and for a
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  toddler it's not really the kind of thing to get is you get, you
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  get things. So we we ended up with these two
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  robots after about 2005 when them broke.
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  So I tried to fix it. I didn't have any joy and I got
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  involved with the open source community and they helped me
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  repair it, but at that time? I thought, right, let's develop
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  some software to actually control these.
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  So I developed software to actually control these robots
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  over the Internet. They're called.
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  While we Should've Got one, there's one in the back over
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  there. It's a 24 inch robot.
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  Would you like me to get it so you can see it or I can carry
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  on? I did.
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  You can carry on, but we can see it a bit later.
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  So it's basically a 24 inch robot.
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  It's multimedia. I've got videos of it on my
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  YouTube channel, Okay Cool. And so you can actually see it
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  and the programming I did for it.
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  So I actually created it so you could actually control it over
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  Skype with other people. So that was the thing I did into
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  robotics, because one of my things I known as is mad robot.
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  So that started off with robots. And also the mad bit was the
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  inventions and the weird stuff that keeps me occupied.
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  I love it, man. I love it.
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  This is how it I mean it's basically just evolved from
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  there. I didn't, I didn't really have
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  education in computers. I'm actually a self-taught
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  programmer so I've learned a lot of bad habits.
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  I have done a HMD which is sounds like hard luck.
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  No degree so so. You get my dad's, my dad jokes
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  now, and sorry about that. So I'm I'm in there in that
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  territory as well right now. I'm not even.
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  I'm not even a dad yet, but like, it's already happening.
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  So this is the kind of thing I I'm into making some weird,
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  weird stuff and from there I've just evolved and then now I've
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  got my dream job. So I I've been working for a
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  company for the last 30 years and for 27 years of that I was
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  actually a CNC programmer. And over the last three years
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  I've been writing commercial software for them.
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  It's actually a track and trace program, which is you read
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  barcodes and it it tracks the product through.
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  So that is basically my story all the way through.
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  I've done a lot of lot of weird, rubbish and silly things.
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  There's a couple of things I want to explore there, actually.
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  In particular, you've been with the same company nearly 30
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  years. Like, that's almost unheard of
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  in this day and age. Like how?
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  How have you made yourself, like, so invaluable to them?
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  Because like. OK well I've been very lucky
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  because the job I've done, I was a very unique, I had a very
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  unique role there I was writing programs thing but I developed
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  when I first started there. I automated the the job by
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  writing software to make my job quicker.
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  So this is how I made the job. Like, no one's indispensable.
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  But this is how I made myself so I wasn't vulnerable.
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  Because every year the company tends to cut back people.
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  We started off 1000 people without about 200 to 150 people.
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  We're still making a lot of money, but and then three years
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  ago I started developing this software and now it's the
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  software. Hopefully it'll be transferred
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  throughout the world to all the other groups, which is, yeah,
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  big ego. Congratulations, man.
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  Yeah. I just want to explore a little
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  bit about your dyslexia because yeah, I find I find this very
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  interesting because obviously, as you said, and this is what
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  I've been taught as well, I have family members who grew up in
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  the same period and then had the same struggles.
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  And I just kind of want to understand like how you
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  navigated that in childhood throughout your adulthood.
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  Well, okay, that's where. Well, I my reading, my reading
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  level is not too good. I can read and write stutter and
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  I have difficulty. If I read a sentence I won't
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  take it in. So I use audio.
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  That's how I cope with that programming.
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  The reason why they said get into programming and get a
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  computer because it helps the way I think my wire, my brain is
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  wired dyslexic. People's brains are seem to be
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  wired different. It's it's one of those things.
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  You just learn to adapt to it. It's.
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  I suppose The thing is, it's not a disability.
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  I'd say it's a superpower more than them, because I'm not.
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  That's the way to think of any anything you've got really.
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  So I've learned to adapt to it by coping, by using my skills in
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  a different way. And computers have really helped
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  because it's like if I'll send an e-mail out I might do
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  smelling mistakes in there, or if I.
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  Write a document. It won't make sense.
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  I'll do it. So using speech, Was it text to
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  speech? That will really help me, or
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  getting other people to vet my emails before I send them out,
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  and that's a good thing. What advice do you think you
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  could give to people struggling with dyslexia?
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  Maybe someone who's just found out they've just been diagnosed
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  and they're kind of wondering. What I would do my parents were
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  very, very supportive. If you're a youngster you're
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  hopefully your parents will get you English and different
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  things, but it's just find the things your best that it's
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  technology is brilliant now. In my day, when I started, it
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  wasn't really understood. It's going back to the 70s
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  really. Nowadays.
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  There's a lot of support out there for it.
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  It's my My advice would be to to just enjoy a Pacific hobby.
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  Just you tend to get infatuated with something, but don't let
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  that. Don't let people bully you or
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  take the make out of you or anything.
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  You just have to. You have to deal with the best
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  you can. There's a lot of help out there
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  nowadays. For that that's that's I mean
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  that's the greatest part about it now is like things like that
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  conditions like that are now taken very seriously and it was
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  kind of blew my mind hearing about that from from older
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  people saying that they went through that because it's like
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  we're all wired so differently anyway and like it kind of just
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  that I remember being at school and having issues with like
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  certain subjects and I remember like teachers just pushing you
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  to one side and only focusing on the kids they know are going to
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  like definitely succeed. And I just thought, that doesn't
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  make any sense to. Now logically, do you know what
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  I mean? Like if anything, you should
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  spend more time with the people that are struggling because
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  there's a chance they can still succeed.
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  And you're a perfect example of that, you know.
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  Yeah, yeah and and and that's the thing.
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  All The thing is what what you'll find is humans are very
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  lazy. They'll find easiest way and no
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  no criticisms or teachers or anything.
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  They will. They're going to work with the
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  the, the pupils that are the the easiest to teach.
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  You will get, you will get teachers.
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  Nowadays you have teaching assistant, so they they you've
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  got larger classes I think in school but you have more help
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  between them. In my day there was no teaching
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  assistant. You have a class of 3035 and it
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  was one teacher, so it was very hard for them to cope but.
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  If you have the teacher that picked up my problems, it
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  really, it really helps. They're the ones that that
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  support the the the people that are in issues.
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  So absolutely there's always, there's always a few good eggs
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  in teaching and those are the people we celebrate.
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  Let's bring it back to software engineering development.
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  What would you say are the biggest lessons you've learned
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  through software engineering and development?
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  Software engineer Well, Okay. My thing isn't really the angle.
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  I've been making these monitors and things and writing software,
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  It's actually the learning experience.
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  So what's the biggest lessons? Planning.
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  I think I've got other things like possibly ADHD as well,
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  because the way I've got to keep my mind active, I get
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  distracted. I basically, I've learned if you
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  plan and try to calm down slow yourself down.
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  My wife has really helped me. She's actually look say don't
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  always say yes to everything. I've got to have it of saying
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  yes I can do that gives you a bad reputation.
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  So my my probably go back to your point of what's what's my
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  busiest lesson is? Don't say yes to everything.
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  So I think that was your question.
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  Sorry, I got distracted there. Yeah.
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  Yeah. No, no.
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  Is that your question? Pretty much, yeah.
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  Like I can relate to this too on some level.
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  I think that like I live by Google Calendar, for example,
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  and even then I have stuff on there and I'll forget and I'll
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  be like the last minute. But like as you said, like
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  calming yourself down and and kind of splitting things into
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  more achievable goals. And yes, sometimes you do have
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  to say no to things and then it's okay to do that.
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  Like it's not a big deal. This is the kind of thing that
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  happens in work people, because the software I'm writing, people
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  can actually see the advantages of it.
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  They can see the a lot of benefits of it.
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  They're always asking for requests for new features.
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  So where I'm saying yes, I can put that in, I would.
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  Have difficulty getting to it. I now have got a request
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  feature. I say, yeah, I'll put it on my
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  request and they say how long will it take you to do?
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  Well, I'm not sure because I'm working on this project.
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  So I I basically put in my quest feature.
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  I don't obligate to it. I don't even say sometimes, Yes,
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  I can do it, but it's it's there.
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  And what I tend to do is plan my day the first thing I do in the
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  morning. Let's plan out what I'm going to
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  do that day. Hopefully I'll get the thing and
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  I can cross it off. It really helps me structure my
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  day with the with the things I've got.
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  So it's it's really helping the things I've done and I've
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  learned this over the last probably year.
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  I'm 52 now and it's probably a bit late, but I mean never too
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  late to learn my friend. No, exactly.
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  No, that's right. Let's, let's talk about
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  invention. How did you get into invention?
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  Obviously you've given us a little bit of a of a beginning,
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  but. Okay, right.
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  I've always been a very I was very inquisitive as a child.
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  I've always it wasn't so much what The thing is.
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  It's a process how to to come up with things.
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  So I just I I'm into 3D printing hardware software development.
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  So I suppose the invention. Was the software first?
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  How could I make something move on a screen?
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  I wasn't interested in the end goal.
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  I'd actually want to see how I could actually do it, so there's
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  a learning curve. So this is how I get into it.
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  I've got a couple of things I can, I can show you if you want
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  to see them. You know what?
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  Let's, let's see them, man. Let's.
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  See the? Well, let's sees.
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  OK, so absolutely I just come up with some weird weird stuff.
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  All right, I have to try and explain this for my audio
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  viewers now. OK, well, I will show it, right.
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  Lockdown was a hard time for everybody, right?
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  Right. Yeah.
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  But when you decide to make a robotic coconut, right?
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  I've actually got it here, right.
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  This is a robotic. When I say it wasn't, this is
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  called Wilson. This is right.
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  Oh, it's amazing. It's half a coconut with like a
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  always like, what looks like a beak.
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  Yeah, sort of thing. So Wilson has got a special
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  feature right? So I'm going to show you the
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  secret behind this. I've got a microphone here and
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  just some electronics, so when I press the button I'm going to
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  just turn the lights. You probably won't be able to
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  see it too well, so let me see if I can turn well my audio
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  listeners. Make sure you check out the
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  video of this. So you'll see a lot of the stuff
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  you see won't be actually published at all, but I think
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  you might see Wilson on some of my.
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  On some of my things so recently when I speak, hopefully, yeah,
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  you can see, yeah, lights up. So there we are.
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  So I can get him to talk. So I see you.
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  Do you know when you do your first tick tocks, they're really
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  rubbish? Well, maybe this is the thing,
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  so mine is still rubbish. All this is here.
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  This was a boredom thing. This was just in can I make a
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  light light up with a speaker? So all there is, there's some
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  electronics in here. It's a little.
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  Mitronics box. When I speak to it, it's gonna
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  and I press the button. Oh, just a minute.
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  Is it going to go now? Probably just broken it It.
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  Hello. Hello.
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  I think I've just have I I've just broken.
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  Well, there we go. That shows how good my
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  inventions are. So I got loads of things like do
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  you know I heard a story the other day.
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  I don't know if this is true, but like when Steve Jobs was
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  doing the initial keynote for the first iPhone, apparently
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  they'd not actually properly like, got the phone fixed and
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  optimized and stuff, so he had to.
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  Apparently he had to have like a massive, I guess like a phone
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  tower or something nearby, and he had to like have several
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  phones ready at his disposal and he had to switch them seamlessly
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  whilst also doing the speech in order, right, in order to not
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  reveal that they hadn't quite buying everything out.
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  Yeah. Well, yeah, I know exactly that,
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  and I tend to do A good example of that, right is there is a
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  video. I've done a video.
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  I made a 3D printer, guitar. So I've actually got that
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  hanging up on the wall. Amazing.
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  Once again guys, make sure you check this out on YouTube.
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  Got to see these inventions so. This is this was the first
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  evolution of of the guitar here, right?
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  Oh my God. This was back in 2015.
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  All 3D printed, OK, what? That's like those small kind of
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  guitars you sometimes see, like Virtuoso is used, where they're
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  just trying to trim it all back and just have like the bare.
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  Bones, but this is designed from scratch.
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  I when I started this was in 2015 I designed this.
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  It's it's never played a guitar so this is a unique guitar.
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  This one is a bit crap. It doesn't work.
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  It's. It's basically also space.
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  So this is a problem. It doesn't really work anymore,
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  but it's a proper electric acoustic guitar.
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  I'm rising. Look at that.
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  Behind here I've put the tuning pegs.
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  Oh wow, they're on the back of the guitar.
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  I've never seen that before also.
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  This guitar comes about. This is why I'm called a mad
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  robot. So he's literally winding it up
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  like it's one of those jack-in-the-box toys I.
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  Can put a phone in there. I've got a I can change the
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  headstock on here, but you can put a phone in there.
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  What does that do exactly? What I've got in here, I've got
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  a thing called, I don't know whether you have an irig.
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  Yes, yes, I've had. Right.
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  And I, Rick, I used to put my there's actually things on my on
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  my YouTube you can actually. I've got a video if you were to
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  see I don't want to and where I can find people find you on
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  YouTube. What's the name of the YouTube
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  account? In kits.
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  I'll include the link in the. Yeah, see the Mad robot or
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  Gareth Healings. But basically your phone goes
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  into here and then I was using it goes into this, this harness
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  here. So this this what a phone holder
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  attached to the bottom. Which you can see it's.
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  Have it broken now. Phone goes on to there so this
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  will actually play. It's a bit out of tune now but
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  it will it will play and you can.
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  Also I can put different fret boards on here so and this
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  lights up as well. So on my YouTube channel, do you
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  see this? It's got smoke effects and
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  things. That's mad.
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  You just popped it out. He managed to just pop out the
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  fret boards and I guess you could just pop in new ones.
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  That's. I've never seen this before.
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  I should have put them. If I ever get the money.
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  I'm getting you to design my next guitar.
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  Oh yeah, I. Want to I want to redo.
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  I want to redo this Catab. It's so many things, so I got
• 20:54
  one here and all you do, you just put them in is it click in
• 20:59
  is they're like no. They don't actually click in
• 21:02
  their magnet. Magnetic.
• 21:04
  Wow. Okay.
• 21:06
  All I've done is as you Neo did your magnets as Neo did your
• 21:10
  Marius magnets. Very strong magnets which and
• 21:15
  then you've got so these are all 3D printed as well with fret
• 21:19
  wire in there. So these ones are flat 1, so you
• 21:23
  could actually use it, you know with what's the South, You know
• 21:30
  that you know bottle top. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:34
  The slider thing. One which is transparent.
• 21:37
  So with this one you can put this on and if the lights were
• 21:39
  working on it because it's Led's underneath the air it actually
• 21:45
  shines through. So on my YouTube video that will
• 21:49
  actually you can, you can see that and there's smoke coming
• 21:51
  out of it and I've got a fishbone thing so that that was
• 21:56
  first. That was one of the first things
• 21:58
  I ever designed on a 3D printer, which is.
• 22:02
  And I'd never played the guitar before on that.
• 22:04
  And I can also put a I can put different headstocks on here.
• 22:09
  Oh, the other thing, because you're a guitarist.
• 22:12
  Action height. Different people like different
• 22:13
  action heights of the of the if. People don't know what action
• 22:17
  height is, the distance between the strings and the fret board.
• 22:21
  So if you were let me just put it back on if you wanted, let me
• 22:26
  get the right one on that second, that one and that one.
• 22:31
  I need to take the other board off, right?
• 22:38
  So what you can do on this? There's some bolts under here
• 22:42
  and I've got a I think this would be the bridge in this case
• 22:45
  because it's the opposite way around the bridge here.
• 22:47
  You can actually raise that with these bolts underneath.
• 22:50
  So it's just now the key, so you can actually change the height
• 22:52
  of the strings away from the fret board.
• 22:55
  Wow, Okay. But this took a couple of
• 22:57
  designs to do and it was a long print as well.
• 23:00
  But underneath here, I've got all the tuning pegs in here, so
• 23:04
  it's actually underneath there and there's A and everything.
• 23:08
  So that's how I start. I don't know what your question
• 23:12
  was. Well, since we got you like
• 23:15
  showing you showing us your inventions, I might as well walk
• 23:18
  walk through a few of them. So you mentioned that there was
• 23:21
  a secret one that you wanted to show me something you wanted to
• 23:25
  show me intrigued in. Your life.
• 23:28
  I showed you this on TikTok the other day when you asked me to
• 23:31
  do a podcast with you. So yes, So what?
• 23:35
  I'm going to do this monitor here.
• 23:38
  If I was on my computer, it would be easy for me to show you
• 23:40
  and turn it down. I'm going to try and do this
• 23:43
  now. I'm just going to turn this, do
• 23:45
  this. So this monitor behind here,
• 23:47
  it's a normal monitor, Okay. But you can't see anything
• 23:51
  through it. What a monitor has on it is a
• 23:53
  polarizing end. All I've done.
• 23:56
  He's taken the polarizing lens off it so now you can actually
• 23:59
  see the so before I'll explain this to my audio viewer.
• 24:03
  So before it was just a white screen and then he puts this
• 24:06
  like sheet of I don't even know what to.
• 24:08
  It's a bit like, for anyone that's old enough to remember
• 24:11
  the overhead projectors, it's a bit like that sheet that you put
• 24:16
  over. Yeah, or the glasses.
• 24:18
  If I've got the glasses there, you can see the picture on the
• 24:20
  screen after I've made. A piece of three.
• 24:22
  They're actually 3D. Glasses either.
• 24:27
  So as I said to you the other day, I've got an idea for doing
• 24:30
  this in work. Because I'm a programmer, I do
• 24:32
  training courses. I've got a training course next
• 24:35
  week and I'm going to use it in there and I can show you what
• 24:38
  I've evolved it this is the thing I wanted to show you.
• 24:40
  So from this, if I just get the mouse over here it is a working
• 24:45
  monitor. If I can, I've got to find my
• 24:49
  mouse. Now hang on a second.
• 24:54
  You we are good boy there. So just showing you.
• 24:59
  Yeah. So in theory, you could have a
• 25:03
  bunch of these monitors, like in a workplace, Yeah.
• 25:07
  And then just have people walking around with glasses and
• 25:10
  then yeah, it'd be great for like the security purposes
• 25:14
  because anyone that doesn't have them can't see anything.
• 25:16
  No, this is exactly what I'm doing as a salad.
• 25:18
  We've got fifty of these monitors and they were just
• 25:20
  going to scrap them off. They're too small for anything.
• 25:23
  So I'll show you what my well, not what my secret idea is.
• 25:28
  Give me two seconds and I just lost your picture a second.
• 25:31
  Let me just get it back. Where are you?
• 25:38
  Hang on, hang on. I've got to find you now.
• 25:40
  I'm just going to wipe you off. This is exactly how I thought.
• 25:44
  There we are. You're back now I'm going to
• 25:48
  have to, I'm going to have to move my program on to the other,
• 25:50
  the screen. I'm going to have to turn you
• 25:52
  around. So I'm not going to be able to.
• 25:53
  Oh, I can see you. Hang on a second.
• 25:55
  Let me see if I can. You probably have to do a lot of
• 25:59
  this thing on this now. Nah, I avoid anything like the
• 26:02
  plague if I can avoid it. If it's, if, it depends, you're.
• 26:07
  Going to see a lovely. I'll tell you what, let me see
• 26:09
  if I can. Electronic tracking system.
• 26:12
  Right so this is the software working on from anybody who's
• 26:17
  who's got the the filter. So if I use this and I all I've
• 26:21
  done behind the display, I'll show you how how a monitor's
• 26:26
  made-up in a minute and you will understand how this works maybe.
• 26:29
  Right. So from anybody else's point of
• 26:31
  view, they won't be able to see that image behind there, all
• 26:35
  they will see on that. So you could have a, this is
• 26:37
  just basically something like that behind the LCD display.
• 26:44
  OK. So from my point of view, now
• 26:48
  I'm going to show you if I can get it on there.
• 26:50
  I'm just going to run this program.
• 26:53
  I'm going to try and get it. So where is it gone?
• 26:56
  It's just running now, so. All right, let's do it that way.
• 27:03
  So on, hopefully. Can you see that monitor?
• 27:08
  I can, yes. Right, because I can't see you
• 27:11
  now. So a lady.
• 27:12
  A lady with a crystal ball. Yeah, so if I'm typing a number,
• 27:15
  right? I'll type it in number as I or
• 27:18
  some phrase. You can see on this monitor I'm
• 27:21
  typing the same thing. Oh, mad.
• 27:23
  OK, yeah. Yeah, if I've got this monitor
• 27:25
  at the front of the room, or you, so everybody can see it.
• 27:28
  They all they can see as a word. ETS, right?
• 27:31
  So my thing here now is the person in the back room, I've
• 27:35
  got someone else helping me. He's going to predict what is
• 27:38
  actually being typed in there, which in this case is why?
• 27:42
  Why? Why?
• 27:43
  Why? No one else will be able to see
• 27:46
  that image. This would be useful for like
• 27:49
  trying to send someone a message, a code style but
• 27:53
  without alerting or having anyone know?
• 27:57
  That's exactly that. These are the things.
• 28:00
  So you can see when he types in the correct answer on there, it
• 28:03
  actually shows it's done and Mystic Meg has actually shown
• 28:07
  it. So the whole purpose of this is
• 28:11
  actually. Yeah, it's got a.
• 28:13
  It's got the fun side of it. But I'm trying to recycle unused
• 28:20
  things that are just going to be scrapped.
• 28:21
  So rather than checking away, I'm actually repurposing it.
• 28:25
  Do you want me to? Do you want me to show you how a
• 28:28
  monitor is? Actually, how I've done this as
• 28:30
  well, I've got an extra thing. Yeah, let's see it.
• 28:33
  Wow. OK.
• 28:34
  So a monitor. Inside a monitor you have this
• 28:36
  screen which is your LCD. Can you see my face?
• 28:42
  So you have that. And behind it, there's a
• 28:44
  backlight, which is what you're seeing when the monitor's on.
• 28:47
  So if I switch monitors over again, and I'll probably use
• 28:51
  you, let's see, hopefully it's going to come out.
• 28:54
  Maybe not. No.
• 28:55
  Oh, good, You're back. So what you're seeing is that
• 28:58
  backlight there, right? And all I've done on the front
• 29:02
  of the monitor, you have a polarizing lens.
• 29:06
  So actually. Which is that and all I've done,
• 29:09
  very simple. I'm not the person who's
• 29:10
  invented this. All I've done is taking an idea
• 29:13
  off of the Internet. Someone's done it.
• 29:14
  And then when you do that, you can actually see the image.
• 29:17
  So you've made the security monitor a privacy monitor.
• 29:21
  They're called The thing I'm doing though is actually I'm,
• 29:26
  I'm putting an image behind the LCD.
• 29:30
  So that that's that's what I've that's where I've evolved this
• 29:34
  idea. And I've got a lot of evolution
• 29:37
  to this, so that's it. So I've got some incredible man.
• 29:41
  Thank you so much. I'm hoping that Frank will work
• 29:44
  in work next time. There we are, yeah.
• 29:49
  One thing I wanted to ask you about, actually, is your nose
• 29:52
  flute invention. You want to see that?
• 29:54
  I I'd love to see it. Yeah.
• 29:56
  I When you told me about this, I was in true.
• 29:58
  I can say this. I thought I had actually.
• 30:02
  Did you watch some of it? Let me turn the light back up.
• 30:05
  Yeah, I get the chance to see the video, unfortunately.
• 30:06
  But yeah, I just was right away. Back there's a lot of TikTok.
• 30:10
  Last year I took this. I took about 40 of these to the
• 30:15
  Edinburgh Fringe last week, last year and I handed them out and I
• 30:19
  gave some to Sokonia. So I.
• 30:22
  Let's give you a demonstration where it sounds like and I got
• 30:24
  them to use them on stage with them so there are tik toks so
• 30:27
  that amazing. So have you heard of the play
• 30:30
  goes Wrong? I haven't, no.
• 30:32
  All right, it's a BBC thing. I'm one of the When they called
• 30:35
  the mischievous theater. Definitely worth watching them.
• 30:39
  Oh, the I think, yeah. No, no, no, no.
• 30:41
  I have actually. Yeah.
• 30:42
  It's a play, as you say, a play that like everything just goes
• 30:44
  terribly and it's very. Funny, there was an act there.
• 30:47
  One of the cast on there did their own thing.
• 30:49
  So I took what I took this. With me, and I gave it to her.
• 30:54
  It was a really good show and she ended up playing it on the
• 30:57
  stage. So there's YouTube.
• 30:58
  So if you've ever heard of the clangers, this is what they
• 31:02
  sound like. So it's basically a whistle.
• 31:09
  You sit at your nose and then you're actually using your
• 31:13
  tongue to make the noise, so. In my in my TikTok, I showed the
• 31:18
  demonstration. I say you, you breathe through
• 31:21
  your nose but your mouth, but you've got to breathe so that
• 31:26
  and then when you do that and you push pushing no air through
• 31:29
  your nose and pushing your tongue, it's acting like a
• 31:32
  trombone. So.
• 31:35
  So even though I thought I designed this is a unique
• 31:38
  design, I thought I had created something brand new.
• 31:42
  But it was already being created in the past, so no invention I'd
• 31:46
  say are unique. They're just evolutions.
• 31:49
  A lot of my stuff are evolutions of other people's inventions.
• 31:53
  I do a lot of musical inventions as well.
• 31:56
  How long do you think it takes, on average, for you to invent
• 32:00
  something? What's your process?
• 32:05
  To get to the final stage, at the worst thing with me, I'll
• 32:08
  get 95% through something and I'll get bored and I'm trying to
• 32:14
  cope with that. Majority of the time I can have
• 32:17
  a concept on my head and then my development process is like a
• 32:22
  wiggly line and I'll do trees and so this was about 10
• 32:28
  minutes. Oh wow, I've got other things.
• 32:33
  Nose flute was. 10 minutes. The Wilson, the robotic coke
• 32:36
  there that was just being bored. This is not a unique thing.
• 32:42
  This is called a single tune heart.
• 32:43
  So this is something you can download off and print out
• 32:46
  yourself, but it has a design floor.
• 32:48
  It actually bends, so I evolved it into an electric, so I've
• 32:54
  just basically put a guitar guitar string on there.
• 32:59
  And then I put Truss rods through here, so inside here and
• 33:02
  I put electric on on there as well.
• 33:04
  So I evolved that. This took me probably about 3-4
• 33:10
  hours to develop and it's just an improvement on the original.
• 33:14
  So your your question, let me go back to the question I just the
• 33:20
  how long does it take to go from something like this to like
• 33:25
  this? About 3 hours an hour for me.
• 33:29
  Not very long. It's you do have modifications
• 33:34
  and different things like if I show you I've got a robot here
• 33:39
  called Colin Colin. He goes in my my R2D2.
• 33:43
  Yeah. Oh, you'll call him that.
• 33:45
  That was his brother. He got well, then I made him a
• 33:49
  TARDIS. So I've got a TARDIS, so I love.
• 33:53
  This you liked. I know.
• 33:54
  You like Doctor Who, don't you? I love all nerd things, man.
• 33:56
  I'm. I'm a die hard.
• 33:58
  I have a TARDIS I designed for him.
• 34:00
  No, this is amazing. I didn't plan to show you any of
• 34:05
  these things but this. I love this.
• 34:06
  Oh my God. Look at that TARDIS.
• 34:08
  Right, And the lip comes off. Oh man, actually got.
• 34:12
  I was going to, I was going to evolve this, but it's got loads
• 34:15
  of different things in it. The doors open and Colin can sit
• 34:18
  in it as well. We weren't.
• 34:20
  And there's a light box behind it, which I was going to do.
• 34:24
  Colin will actually go in that. And then there was a I was going
• 34:28
  to put this turned upside down with lights in it.
• 34:31
  I never got round to it, but that took me probably about two
• 34:35
  days to design and then a long time to print out that.
• 34:40
  Did you ask me just like the average time, I suppose, But
• 34:44
  yeah, it sounds like it's very quick, which?
• 34:47
  Is incredible. I I'd say probably 95% of the
• 34:52
  things I do, I don't actually get to do.
• 34:58
  And they're just ideas. And I tend to use TikTok as a
• 35:02
  video log for myself and if I'm not doing it for the views I'm
• 35:06
  I'm doing it. So I can remember that I did
• 35:09
  this pantos. I've created plays and things
• 35:14
  because I've written a lot of pantos and things.
• 35:16
  Wow. OK.
• 35:18
  In different things, they've only been performed once or
• 35:21
  something. That's incredible, though I
• 35:23
  didn't know that you did that. Like could you give us a little
• 35:25
  bit about? That I used to belong to a dad's
• 35:27
  group and I wrote. Comedy plays I I made a 3D.
• 35:32
  I made a 23 foot dragon with working wings and a mouth.
• 35:38
  I was inside it. That's incredible.
• 35:39
  The turn. But that was another.
• 35:42
  All these things are on YouTube. Those things you see, I'll
• 35:46
  definitely make sure to include a link to that so our viewers
• 35:49
  and listeners can can see that stuff, man.
• 35:51
  And I'll say to to all of my audio listeners, yeah, please go
• 35:55
  out of your way to watch the video version of this episode so
• 35:59
  that you can see all these inventions.
• 36:02
  I'll bring it back to audio only now.
• 36:05
  I also come up with processes and things, so yeah.
• 36:09
  Nowadays you can get 3D printers that will do color, but before
• 36:12
  that that happened. I this is this is going back
• 36:16
  probably to the start of last year I started doing making
• 36:20
  color 3D prints. So these you shouldn't really be
• 36:23
  able to see through a print like that that as you can't really
• 36:27
  see through it. But I came up with a process to
• 36:30
  make a print fully colored, really cool that stained glass
• 36:35
  kind of effect. So if I could turn the monitor
• 36:39
  around, I'd actually show you something else.
• 36:40
  Is the Star Trek Enterprise. There is a tick tock of that.
• 36:45
  I'm doing things like this, processes.
• 36:46
  They they interest me, like building 3D prints.
• 36:50
  What would you say is the best thing you've ever invented?
• 36:53
  The best thing I've ever invented.
• 36:55
  I'm just thinking, probably with guitar.
• 36:58
  I'd say I did make quadcopter. Oh, actually there's a folding
• 37:03
  plane I someone actually challenged me.
• 37:07
  To make a paper plane but a 3D printed or plastic paper plane?
• 37:13
  I think you might have seen the video of that, have you?
• 37:15
  I was just thinking like there's a content idea for you right
• 37:18
  there. Just taking suggestions, like
• 37:22
  just telling people like, hey, what do you want to see me
• 37:24
  invent? Like people will go nuts with
• 37:26
  that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for real.
• 37:29
  And it'd be a real challenge for yourself, like.
• 37:31
  I mean, I tend to. That's why I try not to get too
• 37:34
  distracted when I'm moving my leg.
• 37:36
  So it's like, I just think, oh, here we are.
• 37:38
  And I don't do it to impress anybody.
• 37:40
  I like what? I do.
• 37:43
  I do it for myself. So yeah, I have to take
• 37:45
  suggestions and I if I like them, I will make them.
• 37:48
  It's just it's like at the moment.
• 37:50
  I've got, I've got. I've got an idea.
• 37:55
  This is called feral fluid. I don't know whether you've
• 37:57
  heard of feral fluid is a magnetic fluid.
• 38:02
  It's actually just it's like a it's like an oil with magnets
• 38:09
  with iron in it when you put a magnet.
• 38:13
  So what my idea to do with this is actually to turn it into a
• 38:17
  clock. Okay.
• 38:19
  So it'll be a feral fluid clock. So I got that's just an
• 38:22
  interest. Whether I do that is another
• 38:25
  thing. Okay the flip side of the
• 38:27
  question. What's the worst thing you've
• 38:30
  ever invented? Right, Okay.
• 38:32
  I used to get involved with STEM.
• 38:34
  I used to get involved with STEM works, which is science,
• 38:39
  technology, English and mass at work.
• 38:41
  We got a pile of kids in and one of the inventions I'm going to
• 38:44
  hear was, you know, a Jews harp. Yes, well I made one of my
• 38:50
  plastic right? And as soon and I didn't even
• 38:54
  test this property, I tested it a little bit right.
• 38:56
  These I printed about 40 of these.
• 38:59
  I did them over 2 days without testing them.
• 39:01
  I talked them to the STEM work thing and I gave them to the
• 39:04
  kids and I got them to use it and instantly they just broke
• 39:08
  and that that's how did the kids react to that?
• 39:12
  Now got a bookmark Devastated. So that that's probably one of
• 39:18
  the things I've made. I I probably would think of
• 39:21
  other things, but a lot of the things, they're not useful for
• 39:25
  anybody, just they're more keep me my mind occupied.
• 39:30
  Thank you so much for sharing that.
• 39:31
  I really, really appreciate it. I'll say to all my again, all my
• 39:34
  listeners, make sure you go check out the clips and the
• 39:37
  video version of this episode. You're not going to want to miss
• 39:40
  all of those because it's just incredible.
• 39:42
  Look at all of these. It fascinates me.
• 39:45
  Just, I think the thing that fascinates me the most is like
• 39:48
  how your mind works, like the ability to to like, visualize
• 39:51
  that and then create it. And it's just incredible.
• 39:55
  I just I just get if I if I can fit this.
• 39:57
  I would say there's nothing impossible if you put your mind
• 39:59
  to it. You can.
• 40:01
  You can make anything if you wanted to make a time machine.
• 40:05
  Is there's no reason why it can't be done.
• 40:07
  I'm not saying it's going to be easy, but I'm sure someone one
• 40:11
  day will actually make a time machine or something that it
• 40:14
  simulates a time machine. Yeah, I read it.
• 40:17
  I read a study a few years back that suggested that they're
• 40:20
  already testing time machines right now, but but like okay.
• 40:27
  So to what they've done is something like.
• 40:33
  And they were able to move an object free time, you know, like
• 40:37
  we're talking like a minute or something, but it was like
• 40:40
  manipulating the space around the object.
• 40:43
  That's. Right and pushing it into the
• 40:46
  the other thing if you were to travel to the sun and and back
• 40:50
  you would be I think I can't remember you're actually the
• 40:53
  people in in Earth are going to be older than you only by like a
• 40:57
  fraction of a second or something.
• 40:59
  But he said it's that's that's where maybe possible time travel
• 41:04
  will be you travel faster than the speed of light and so this
• 41:09
  is the these are the other kind of interest.
• 41:11
  It's not to say I know I know anything about these, but they
• 41:15
  interest me. Me too.
• 41:17
  Kind of things, Yeah. So I love, I love finding out
• 41:19
  about these these things. I want to change it up a little
• 41:22
  bit and get your thoughts because obviously you're a
• 41:25
  software engineer. Yeah, obviously involved with
• 41:27
  computers. What do you think?
• 41:30
  Are the benefits and drawbacks of a I cause I see that's a I,
• 41:35
  right. I think we do need to be
• 41:38
  careful. I think the benefits of it is
• 41:40
  going to make our lives a lot easier.
• 41:42
  You just think you go back to the when when the wheel was
• 41:49
  invented and the cars were invented.
• 41:51
  They have a red flag. We're going back to that now
• 41:53
  with a 20 mile an hour limit in wheels and people were scared of
• 41:58
  the car, the wheel evolution. This is exactly the same as AI.
• 42:02
  People are scared of it because they don't know what it's going
• 42:04
  to do. We do need to be careful.
• 42:06
  I think I've used it. If I'm writing emails, my emails
• 42:11
  might not come out diplomatic. I use Bard, so it's actually
• 42:15
  Google's free chat GDP. And you and I put my e-mail and
• 42:21
  it is I want to to send it will actually reword it in a lot
• 42:26
  better way and maybe concise. It doesn't always do the best
• 42:29
  job. The that is where the advantage
• 42:32
  of it, the disadvantages of it is at the moment.
• 42:36
  I think they're working on it. Is it chat GTP six I think?
• 42:41
  They're up to 6, correct? So, And it is exponential.
• 42:45
  It can actually. I think it can work out things a
• 42:48
  lot better than humans and they're starting to make the
• 42:51
  bodies of them. So this is going to be in the
• 42:52
  next evolution day. So I I think in the next 5 to 10
• 42:56
  years we're going to see humanoid robots walking around.
• 42:59
  Like I don't think we'll ever get to the form of Skynet like
• 43:03
  Terminator. I'm not saying it's not
• 43:07
  possible, but I I just think it's if if we're careful and we
• 43:15
  and we use it with respect, I don't think we'll be in trouble,
• 43:18
  but there are. I mean, I suppose the biggest
• 43:21
  concern right now, and I've seen it in certain instances, is it's
• 43:25
  replacing jobs. I mean, like for instance,
• 43:27
  translation jobs gone, computer programmer jobs that's going to
• 43:32
  shift now to like prompt engineers rather than coders,
• 43:36
  stuff like that. The job market will actually
• 43:40
  change. I've been to factories where
• 43:42
  they're like, so factories so and it's like the software I'm
• 43:46
  developing, people are scared of it because they're thinking it's
• 43:49
  going to get rid of their jobs. No, it will make their jobs more
• 43:52
  efficient and they'll be able to be utilized for better purposes.
• 43:57
  So this is the same as a I. It's not going to necessarily
• 44:00
  sorry, it might make some jobs redundant, but you can use that
• 44:06
  person for a better a better person.
• 44:08
  Well, that's the key element, isn't it?
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  To this. It's one thing to replace a job
• 44:12
  and offer something as an alternative, yes, but to just
• 44:16
  make those jobs redundant and then leave people with nothing,
• 44:20
  you know, because we all have different skill sets.
• 44:21
  Like for example, there are many people in this world that you
• 44:26
  know, use their hands to create, you know, works of art, machines
• 44:31
  etcetera and like now their jobs.
• 44:34
  Are threatened because you can make the argument or why would
• 44:37
  you get human to do it when you can get an AI machine to do it?
• 44:40
  It'll do it more efficiently. Like I'm sure I might be talking
• 44:43
  rubbish here, but I'm sure last year was, was it an AI piece of
• 44:48
  art, won a turn of prize or something like that.
• 44:50
  Jesus. So this is where I think like
• 44:53
  they have actually got software now which can create complete.
• 44:57
  We shouldn't create complete scripts and complete films.
• 45:00
  I think you'll see AI generated films.
• 45:04
  So yeah, that you'll get evolution, but you will have
• 45:07
  people actually designing those. So the script writers may move
• 45:13
  from actually doing the whole the script writing to the to the
• 45:18
  actually the ideas of the script and then the AI actually takes
• 45:21
  over the. So you might give it your own
• 45:25
  script and then it evolves it and make it makes it better.
• 45:28
  So it's actually a human and an AI are working together.
• 45:32
  And the same with the film industry.
• 45:34
  It's it's terrifying for me. So I'm trying to get into it
• 45:37
  with acting and all I keep hearing about is how it's going
• 45:39
  to replace everything and I'm just like, well, great what
• 45:42
  we're going to do. You can CGI most films now, it
• 45:45
  doesn't matter what it is, they have CGI in them.
• 45:47
  It's like Avatar is a good example.
• 45:49
  I love the first film, but I didn't like the second one.
• 45:52
  But the effects, they wouldn't be able to make that film
• 45:55
  without without CGI just now a day doesn't matter what they
• 45:59
  are, they've got CGI in them and that is so you're going to have
• 46:03
  a I characters in there really. So I think it is going to be a
• 46:07
  bit evolution. Media like TV is dying I think,
• 46:13
  and it's going more to streaming services and I think people are
• 46:17
  more selecting what they want to watch rather than being forced
• 46:21
  on them. That's, I mean, that's a good
• 46:22
  element, I think, certainly. But my concern is always just
• 46:27
  like this idea of being replaced, humans being replaced.
• 46:31
  And I don't think, I don't think it will give us more time to do
• 46:36
  what we want like passions. Let me I've got my I'm probably
• 46:39
  one of the luckiest persons and people in the world.
• 46:41
  My job, my hobby are the same thing.
• 46:44
  So I'm getting paid for something.
• 46:47
  So if more people can do this kind of thing with a I helping
• 46:51
  them, they can like, say you're you're an actor or a musician,
• 46:56
  say you've composed a song or you've, you've done your thing
• 47:01
  and you think, oh, that's good. But a lot of people don't like
• 47:05
  that song. I was not saying that that's
• 47:07
  going to be the case, but I mean you might put it through an A I
• 47:11
  engine and it and it evolves it and you think, oh wow, I didn't
• 47:15
  think of that. It might put a good rift to it
• 47:18
  or something like that. Do you know what I mean?
• 47:19
  So where you were not being replaced, you were being aided
• 47:22
  by a D by a I. Here's the thing with that like
• 47:29
  and I said this in a I did a twitch stream on this recently
• 47:32
  like a I and how it will impact society.
• 47:34
  I've done a few shows shout out to the A I Sentinel podcast I
• 47:38
  appeared on. I'm all for like.
• 47:43
  Things like AI arts and and like existing in its own format, its
• 47:47
  own thing. I think it has a place and it's
• 47:50
  interesting and and stuff but like the example you gave of of
• 47:55
  it aiding things like I think you have to be very careful with
• 47:57
  that. It's one thing like to run, you
• 48:00
  know, an e-mail through and and like improve it a little bit
• 48:03
  here and there, but like if we're talking like creating
• 48:05
  songs, creating artworks, I mean.
• 48:10
  What the ideal in my head would be that there's a distinctive
• 48:13
  split between human created things and AI created things and
• 48:19
  each are considered with the same level of merit and and
• 48:24
  interest. My my concern is that human
• 48:27
  stuff will die and everyone would just be obsessed with the
• 48:30
  AI generated stuff. Yeah.
• 48:31
  That that could be the one downside because The thing is as
• 48:34
  AI is getting better and better it's I wouldn't say becoming
• 48:39
  conscious but it's it's actually a way of how how we.
• 48:45
  Well yeah suppose that's coming conscious it's actually is able
• 48:50
  to emulate or simulate what we we actually do.
• 48:52
  So it takes right into AI. You can say write write me a
• 48:56
  script in the in the style of Tim Burton but ask Shakespeare
• 49:02
  or something and ask me to be a fan.
• 49:03
  But you could actually get that merge of two things.
• 49:08
  So it now I suppose yeah. You're getting a thing where a
• 49:11
  human might not be able to do that that kind of thing.
• 49:14
  Whereas AI can actually merge all those things together.
• 49:18
  And then you put the you put it to another AI engine and then it
• 49:21
  makes a a video of it art or something of it.
• 49:25
  So yeah it does. Terrifying.
• 49:27
  Yeah. It could be terrifying.
• 49:29
  But I think new technology is just to be cautious but it's not
• 49:34
  to be feared because we adapt. We've done this through the
• 49:37
  generations through history. People feared computers back in
• 49:42
  the 70s because they thought they're going to be replacing
• 49:44
  their jobs. Industrial revolution People
• 49:48
  hated the spinning Jenny, which is the weaving machine.
• 49:51
  I suppose though the the key difference, because I I agree
• 49:54
  with what you're saying, but I think the key difference is that
• 49:56
  we were always at least at the helm of those things.
• 50:00
  We were always in control. Now we're not in control
• 50:03
  anymore. Well, we are sort of, but it's
• 50:06
  the people where it's not us, it's the people who would
• 50:09
  actually designing them. But then again is getting a back
• 50:12
  better and better. So it might, it might take that
• 50:15
  they did do, I think was it Facebook or one of them they
• 50:18
  actually or Google, they had two AI engines talking together and
• 50:24
  they had to turn them off because they were speaking their
• 50:26
  own language and it was actually.
• 50:30
  So it was actually starting to get a bit frightened.
• 50:32
  So they turned them off because they were.
• 50:34
  So you can imagine where that starts, starts to get a bit of
• 50:37
  things. So this is where we, I think
• 50:38
  you've got to be careful in in certain aspects.
• 50:41
  So it's like that's it. A couple of final questions for
• 50:45
  you that I always ask every single guest.
• 50:48
  I'm interested to get your particular answers.
• 50:51
  What's the biggest mistake you've made that you learned a
• 50:54
  valuable life lesson from the biggest mistake?
• 51:00
  I haven't learned any lessons for any mistake.
• 51:05
  I think the biggest, the biggest lessons I've is I've learned is
• 51:10
  actually to listen. People don't try not to.
• 51:12
  I've got a terrible habit of interrupt.
• 51:14
  I don't know whether I've done this on on this interview, but
• 51:16
  I've got a terrible habit of trying to predict what people
• 51:20
  have said but be interested in what someone else is saying.
• 51:24
  Planning my my day. I think they are my biggest
• 51:28
  lessons. My mistake were before a couple
• 51:31
  of years ago I was I was actually more like a 2 year old
• 51:36
  resolved around there. Just this constantly, I suppose,
• 51:40
  Trying to make my own ego. But I've learned no, don't do
• 51:43
  that. Your ideas aren't the best
• 51:46
  ideas. Listen to other people, listen
• 51:49
  to what they've got to say without interrupting.
• 51:51
  And I think that's the best. That is the biggest mistake.
• 51:54
  I did not listen to other people.
• 51:57
  Okay, you kind of given us some life lessons there, but I want
• 52:02
  to kind of ask because I always ask this question.
• 52:06
  For you, throughout the years, for everything that you've been
• 52:08
  through, what's the biggest life lesson you've learned so far?
• 52:14
  The biggest life lesson? It's be treated as you want to
• 52:20
  be treated yourself or treat people as you want to treat
• 52:23
  yourself. That is the biggest lesson.
• 52:25
  I've always treated people with respect and I hate it when you
• 52:28
  get bullies and things. I just don't like that you just
• 52:32
  that that's probably when the Big Life said it's something
• 52:34
  I've never done but it is a life lesson.
• 52:36
  I think this came from a young age when I was bullied in school
• 52:40
  because of being not not the the best academically and being
• 52:48
  taken a Mick out of. So I thought, well, no, I don't
• 52:50
  want to be treated like that, so treat everybody with respect.
• 52:55
  Did not agree more. What's the best advice you've
• 52:58
  ever received? Best advice for my wife,
• 53:02
  probably. So it's actually listen to
• 53:06
  people, take a pause. Just just don't interrupt or
• 53:14
  just try. Try to calm down.
• 53:16
  Keep on one project at a time. Maybe that's the best life
• 53:20
  lessons. Final question for you.
• 53:22
  Do you have any upcoming projects or final thoughts that
• 53:25
  you'd like to share with our listeners?
• 53:26
  Well, I'm going to be evolving my monitor.
• 53:30
  This is my I have so many ideas. Yeah, things will work.
• 53:36
  I tried to stay focused on the stuff I do at work because it if
• 53:41
  I don't but this is this is probably the biggest project I'm
• 53:44
  going to be doing at the moment which is this which is is not
• 53:49
  just the screen light here, but it's a multilayered screen.
• 53:53
  I actually created a 3D monitor before well just after they
• 53:58
  became a thing and it was actually that's another thing on
• 54:00
  my YouTube channel. So I might have all that.
• 54:04
  Let's just see what happens. I'll I'll be posting videos
• 54:07
  anyway. So I I think the clock idea with
• 54:11
  a feral fluid is another one, but I have too many ideas to to
• 54:16
  one. I think the monitor will be the
• 54:18
  the the next big project. It's been an absolute pleasure
• 54:21
  having you on the show. Thank you so much for appearing.
• 54:23
  Man. And yeah, you're always welcome,
• 54:26
  Batman. And I can't wait to see what
• 54:27
  what else you invent there will be.
• 54:29
  There will be lots of things. So there's going to be more
• 54:32
  coming over the. Future Thank you so much.
• 54:35
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• 54:37
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