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From Dog Rescue to The Inspirational Story Behind a New Children's Book · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

2:54
Charlie
2:54
and
2:54
Sophie's
2:55
Great
2:55
Escape.
2:57
Thanks,
2:57
Ferrielle,
2:58
for
2:58
appearing
2:58
on
2:59
the
2:59
Adventures
2:59
in
3:00
the
3:00
Heart
3:00
of
3:00
Children's
3:00
Book
3:01
Authors
3:01
podcast.
3:02
Ferial
3:03
has
3:03
written
3:03
a
3:04
children's
3:04
book,
3:05
Charlie
3:05
and
3:06
Sophie's
3:06
Great
3:07
Escape,
3:07
and
3:07
I
3:08
really
3:08
look
3:08
forward
3:08
to
3:08
our
3:09
conversation
3:10
for
3:10
a
3:11
number
3:11
of
3:11
reasons.
3:12
Before
3:12
we
3:13
get
3:13
into
3:13
the
3:13
details
3:14
of
3:14
your
3:14
book,
3:14
Ferriel,
3:16
can
3:16
you
3:16
tell
3:17
us
3:17
a
3:18
little
3:18
bit
3:19
about
3:20
what
3:20
being
3:21
a
3:21
children's
3:21
book
3:22
author
3:22
means
3:22
to
3:23
you?
3:25
This
3:25
is
3:26
based
3:26
on
3:26
a
3:26
true
3:26
story,
3:27
and
3:27
it's
3:28
based
3:28
on
3:28
our
3:29
two
3:29
border
3:30
collie
3:30
puppies,
3:30
Charlie
3:31
and
3:31
Sophie.
3:32
We
3:32
adopted
3:33
them
3:33
from
3:34
a
3:34
rescue,
3:36
and
3:36
it
3:36
meant
3:36
a
3:36
lot
3:37
to
3:37
us
3:37
to
3:37
be
3:37
able
3:38
to
3:38
give
3:38
two
3:38
puppies
3:39
who
3:39
basically
3:40
had
3:40
been
3:40
given
3:40
up
3:40
by
3:41
their
3:41
previous
3:41
owners,
3:42
chance
3:43
at
3:43
a
3:43
better
3:43
life.
3:44
And
3:44
so
3:45
to
3:45
bring
3:46
their
3:46
story.
3:46
And
3:47
they
3:47
were
3:47
puppies
3:48
just
3:48
for
3:48
their
3:49
absolute
3:49
zest
3:50
for
3:50
life
3:51
and
3:51
learning
3:52
and
3:52
exploring
3:53
was
3:53
just
3:53
a
3:54
daily
3:54
inspiration.
3:55
They
3:55
made
3:55
me
3:56
smile
3:56
or
3:56
laugh
3:57
out
3:57
loud
3:57
every
3:57
single
3:58
day.
3:59
And
3:59
I
3:59
thought,
4:00
how
4:00
many
4:00
people
4:01
have
4:01
that
4:02
pleasure
4:03
or
4:03
gift
4:04
of
4:04
being
4:05
that
4:05
or
4:06
just
4:06
smiling
4:06
every
4:07
day?
4:07
And
4:08
that
4:08
was
4:08
what.
4:08
I
4:09
just
4:09
wanted
4:09
to
4:10
share
4:10
that
4:11
in
4:11
little
4:12
stories
4:12
about
4:13
them
4:14
that
4:14
would
4:14
also
4:14
bring
4:15
some
4:15
joy.
4:15
I
4:16
know
4:16
they
4:16
were
4:16
the
4:16
inspiration,
4:17
but
4:18
why
4:18
a
4:18
children's
4:18
book?
4:21
Because
4:21
they
4:21
reminded
4:22
me
4:22
of
4:22
kids.
4:23
Okay?
4:24
They
4:24
were
4:24
just
4:25
curious.
4:25
They
4:26
were
4:26
always
4:26
just
4:27
raring
4:27
to
4:27
go,
4:27
full
4:28
of
4:28
energy,
4:29
not
4:29
always
4:30
patient.
4:31
And
4:31
again,
4:32
my
4:32
youngest
4:33
son
4:33
had
4:33
gone
4:33
off
4:33
to
4:34
college,
4:34
so
4:34
it
4:34
was
4:34
a
4:35
little
4:35
bit
4:35
like
4:35
an
4:35
empty
4:36
nest
4:36
syndrome.
4:37
So
4:37
when
4:37
we
4:38
adopted
4:38
these
4:38
two
4:39
puppies,
4:40
they
4:40
just
4:40
suddenly
4:40
brought
4:41
the
4:41
whole
4:41
house
4:41
to
4:42
life
4:42
again.
4:43
And
4:43
it
4:43
reminded
4:44
me
4:44
again
4:45
of
4:45
being
4:46
mom
4:46
of
4:46
young
4:46
kids.
4:47
And
4:47
I
4:47
really
4:47
thought
4:48
that
4:48
kids
4:49
would
4:50
be
4:50
able
4:50
to
4:50
connect
4:52
very
4:52
closely
4:53
to
4:54
the
4:54
feelings
4:55
and
4:55
antics
4:56
of
4:56
the
4:56
puppies.
4:57
Fantastic.
4:58
It's
4:58
interesting
4:59
because
4:59
our
4:59
first
5:00
dog
5:00
was
5:01
actually
5:02
a
5:02
collie
5:03
and
5:04
like
5:04
Lassie.
5:06
And
5:06
we,
5:06
yeah,
5:07
we
5:07
love
5:07
that
5:08
dog
5:08
dearly.
5:09
Her
5:09
name
5:09
was
5:10
Raja.
5:11
And
5:11
yeah,
5:12
we
5:12
just.
5:12
It
5:12
was
5:13
like.
5:14
And
5:14
it
5:14
was
5:14
incredible
5:15
because
5:15
we
5:15
had
5:16
the
5:16
dog
5:16
before
5:18
we
5:18
had
5:18
children.
5:19
And
5:20
then
5:20
about
5:20
a
5:20
year
5:21
after
5:21
we
5:21
got
5:21
the
5:22
dog
5:22
we
5:22
had,
5:22
we
5:23
started
5:23
to
5:23
have
5:23
children.
5:24
And
5:25
my
5:25
daughter
5:26
and
5:26
son
5:26
grew
5:26
up
5:27
with
5:27
Raja
5:27
for
5:28
the
5:28
first
5:29
10
5:29
or
5:29
12
5:30
years
5:30
of
5:30
their
5:30
life.
5:31
Definitely
5:31
a
5:31
dog
5:32
can
5:32
add
5:32
a
5:32
lot
5:32
to
5:33
your
5:33
life.
5:33
When
5:34
you
5:34
got
5:34
the
5:34
inspiration
5:35
for
5:35
your
5:36
children's
5:36
book,
5:37
tell
5:38
us.
5:38
Okay,
5:39
now
5:39
you've
5:39
got
5:39
this
5:40
inspiration.
5:41
You've
5:41
got.
5:42
You've
5:42
seen
5:42
them
5:42
go
5:43
through
5:43
these
5:43
adventures.
5:44
So
5:44
how
5:45
did
5:45
you
5:45
get
5:45
started
5:46
in
5:47
writing
5:47
down
5:47
these
5:48
adventures?
5:48
And
5:49
how
5:49
did
5:49
you
5:50
start
5:50
formulating
5:51
your
5:51
plan
5:52
to
5:52
write
5:52
a
5:53
children's
5:53
book?
5:54
It
5:55
was
5:55
a
5:55
plan
5:56
to
5:56
do
5:56
it
5:56
someday,
5:58
but
5:58
just
5:59
the
5:59
things
5:59
again,
6:00
being
6:00
two
6:01
together.
6:01
So
6:02
Charlie
6:02
Was
6:03
always
6:03
wanted
6:04
to
6:04
play.
6:04
Sophie
6:05
was
6:05
more
6:05
laid
6:06
back.
6:06
So
6:07
just
6:07
watching
6:07
them.
6:08
So
6:08
he'd
6:08
hide
6:08
behind
6:08
a
6:09
tree
6:09
or.
6:09
And
6:10
they'd
6:10
jump
6:10
out
6:10
at
6:11
her
6:11
to
6:11
try
6:11
to
6:11
convince
6:12
her
6:12
to
6:12
chase
6:12
him
6:13
or
6:13
whatever.
6:13
And
6:13
then
6:13
she'd
6:14
just
6:14
pretend
6:14
she
6:14
was
6:14
too
6:15
busy
6:15
sniffing
6:15
something.
6:16
She
6:16
didn't
6:16
want
6:16
to
6:16
have
6:16
anything
6:17
to
6:17
do
6:17
with
6:17
him.
6:18
So
6:18
I
6:18
would
6:19
just
6:19
write
6:19
when
6:19
I
6:20
came
6:20
home,
6:21
I
6:21
would
6:21
just
6:21
write
6:22
these
6:22
little
6:22
things
6:22
down.
6:23
It
6:23
was
6:23
just
6:23
so
6:24
funny.
6:24
He
6:24
was
6:24
constantly
6:25
watching
6:26
because
6:26
the
6:26
border
6:26
collie,
6:27
I'd
6:27
see
6:27
him
6:27
just
6:27
like
6:28
this,
6:28
and
6:28
I
6:28
knew
6:28
she
6:29
was
6:29
coming
6:29
down
6:29
from.
6:30
From
6:30
some
6:30
pathway
6:31
that
6:31
he
6:31
was
6:32
to
6:32
pounce
6:33
on
6:33
her
6:33
or
6:33
to
6:33
do
6:34
something.
6:35
And
6:36
so,
6:36
anyway,
6:37
so
6:37
I
6:37
would
6:38
just
6:38
take
6:38
notes,
6:38
and
6:39
I
6:39
thought,
6:39
someday
6:40
it'll
6:41
be
6:41
really
6:41
fun
6:42
to
6:42
maybe
6:42
write
6:43
stories.
6:43
But
6:44
it
6:44
was
6:44
always
6:44
ideas
6:45
about
6:45
these
6:46
guys
6:46
and
6:46
what
6:47
they
6:47
were
6:47
doing.
6:48
And
6:48
unfortunately,
6:49
because
6:50
Charlie
6:50
did
6:50
come
6:51
from
6:51
a
6:51
puppy
6:52
mill,
6:52
he
6:52
was
6:52
one
6:53
of
6:53
those
6:53
puppy
6:53
mill
6:54
dogs.
6:54
Okay.
6:54
Yep.
6:55
And
6:55
adopted.
6:56
Given
6:56
up
6:56
to
6:57
this
6:57
rescue
6:57
and
6:58
came
6:58
to
6:58
our
6:59
place.
7:00
And
7:00
when
7:01
he
7:01
was
7:01
about
7:01
five
7:02
years
7:02
old,
7:02
he
7:03
started
7:03
to
7:03
get
7:04
sick.
7:05
We
7:05
took
7:05
him
7:06
to
7:06
all
7:06
various
7:07
specialists.
7:08
They
7:08
weren't
7:08
able
7:08
to
7:09
diagnose
7:09
it
7:10
in
7:10
time,
7:11
and
7:11
he
7:11
just
7:12
became
7:12
sicker.
7:13
Just
7:13
basically
7:14
four
7:14
months
7:14
after
7:15
his
7:15
initial
7:16
symptoms.
7:16
We
7:16
had
7:17
to
7:17
let
7:17
him
7:17
go.
7:17
He
7:18
was
7:18
just
7:18
extremely
7:19
sick.
7:19
And
7:19
that's
7:20
unfortunate.
7:20
But
7:21
you
7:21
did
7:21
get
7:22
those
7:22
years
7:23
with
7:23
him
7:23
and
7:23
Sophie
7:24
together
7:25
to
7:25
inspire
7:26
you
7:26
to
7:26
write
7:26
the
7:26
book.
7:27
So
7:27
you
7:27
wrote
7:28
your
7:28
children's
7:28
book
7:29
after
7:29
he
7:30
had
7:30
passed
7:30
away?
7:31
Yes.
7:32
And
7:32
so
7:32
then
7:33
for
7:33
a
7:33
while,
7:33
I
7:34
thought,
7:34
okay,
7:34
it's
7:35
a
7:35
good
7:35
time
7:36
to
7:36
pen
7:37
at
7:37
least
7:38
one
7:38
story.
7:39
And
7:39
my
7:39
hope
7:39
was
7:40
that
7:40
then
7:41
his
7:41
spirit
7:42
would
7:42
live
7:42
on
7:42
in
7:43
the
7:43
book,
7:44
the
7:44
story,
7:44
the
7:45
pages
7:45
of
7:45
the
7:45
book.
7:46
And
7:46
that
7:47
is
7:47
one
7:47
reason
7:47
why
7:48
I
7:48
really
7:48
looked
7:49
for
7:49
an
7:49
illustrator
7:51
who
7:51
would
7:51
do
7:52
justice
7:52
to
7:53
how
7:53
the
7:53
dogs
7:54
actually
7:54
look
7:54
in
7:55
real
7:55
life.
7:55
I
7:56
shared
7:56
many
7:56
photographs
7:57
of
7:58
our
7:58
home,
7:58
our
7:59
fields,
7:59
our
8:00
trails,
8:00
the
8:00
two
8:01
dogs.
8:01
And
8:02
so
8:02
they're
8:02
very
8:02
true
8:03
to
8:03
life.
8:03
The
8:04
illustration.
8:04
She's
8:05
a
8:05
wonderful
8:06
traditional
8:07
watercolor,
8:07
pen
8:08
and
8:08
ink
8:08
artist.
8:09
Before
8:09
we
8:09
jump
8:10
into
8:10
the
8:10
illustration,
8:11
because
8:11
I
8:11
definitely
8:11
have
8:12
a
8:12
section
8:12
I
8:13
want
8:13
to
8:13
talk.
8:13
No,
8:14
this
8:14
is
8:14
great.
8:14
The
8:15
thing
8:15
I
8:15
would
8:15
like
8:16
to
8:16
ask
8:16
you
8:16
a
8:16
little
8:17
bit
8:17
about
8:17
before
8:17
we
8:18
get
8:18
into
8:18
the
8:19
actual
8:20
putting
8:20
everything
8:20
together
8:21
is
8:22
when
8:22
you
8:23
started
8:24
formulating
8:24
your
8:25
idea
8:25
for
8:26
your
8:26
children's
8:27
book,
8:27
did
8:27
you
8:28
have
8:28
a
8:28
book
8:29
business
8:29
plan?
8:30
Did
8:30
you
8:30
have
8:30
a
8:31
formal
8:32
plan?
8:33
No,
8:34
no.
8:34
You
8:35
know
8:35
what?
8:35
I
8:35
would
8:35
say
8:36
that
8:36
99%
8:37
of
8:37
the
8:37
children's
8:38
book
8:38
authors
8:38
I
8:38
talk
8:39
to
8:39
don't
8:40
have
8:40
a
8:40
book
8:41
business
8:41
plan.
8:42
So
8:42
I
8:42
think
8:42
of
8:42
this
8:43
whole
8:44
idea
8:44
of
8:44
a
8:44
book
8:45
business
8:45
plan.
8:46
Did
8:46
you
8:46
develop
8:47
any
8:47
type
8:48
of
8:48
Book
8:48
business
8:49
plan
8:49
after
8:50
you
8:50
published
8:51
your
8:51
book.
8:54
What
8:54
do
8:54
you
8:55
mean
8:55
exactly
8:55
by
8:56
a
8:56
business
8:56
plan?
8:57
Thank
8:58
you
8:58
for
8:58
asking
8:58
that.
8:59
Now
8:59
you
8:59
have
8:59
your
9:00
book
9:00
done,
9:00
you
9:01
have
9:01
a
9:01
product
9:02
and
9:03
you
9:03
want
9:03
to
9:03
get
9:03
it
9:04
out
9:04
into
9:04
the
9:04
world.
9:05
And
9:06
once
9:06
you've
9:07
gone
9:07
through
9:08
and
9:08
you've
9:09
written
9:09
the
9:09
book,
9:09
you've
9:10
had
9:10
the
9:10
book,
9:10
you've
9:11
illustrated
9:11
it,
9:12
you've
9:12
actually
9:13
published
9:14
it,
9:14
you
9:15
even
9:15
have
9:15
distribution.
9:16
So
9:17
now
9:18
it
9:18
comes
9:18
to
9:19
sales
9:19
and
9:20
marketing.
9:21
And
9:21
that
9:22
always
9:22
seems
9:22
to
9:22
be
9:23
the
9:24
sticking
9:24
point.
9:25
Yes.
9:26
And
9:26
so
9:26
I
9:26
know,
9:27
I
9:27
just
9:27
want
9:28
our
9:28
listeners,
9:29
aspiring
9:29
children's
9:30
book
9:30
authors,
9:31
to
9:31
understand
9:32
that
9:32
for
9:33
all
9:33
of
9:33
us,
9:33
that's
9:34
a
9:34
big
9:34
challenge.
9:35
That's
9:35
why
9:35
I
9:35
ask
9:36
about
9:36
a
9:36
book
9:36
business
9:37
plan,
9:37
because
9:37
you
9:38
can
9:38
do
9:38
the
9:38
first
9:38
five
9:39
parts
9:39
we
9:39
just
9:40
talked
9:40
about.
9:41
But
9:41
if
9:41
you
9:41
don't
9:41
have
9:42
a
9:42
book
9:42
business
9:43
plan
9:43
for
9:43
the
9:44
sales
9:44
and
9:44
marketing
9:45
of
9:45
your
9:45
book,
9:46
it
9:46
doesn't
9:47
get
9:47
to
9:47
too
9:47
many
9:49
readers.
9:50
That's
9:50
what
9:50
I'm
9:50
curious
9:51
about
9:51
is
9:52
what
9:52
have
9:52
you
9:52
done
9:53
now
9:54
for
9:54
the
9:54
sales
9:55
and
9:55
marketing
9:55
side
9:56
of
9:56
your
9:56
book
9:56
business?
9:58
So
9:58
my
9:58
book
9:59
came
9:59
out
9:59
again,
9:59
it's
10:00
very
10:00
busy.
10:01
It's
10:01
a
10:01
busy
10:01
time
10:02
when
10:02
you're
10:02
first
10:02
of
10:02
all
10:03
writing
10:03
absolutely
10:04
multiple
10:05
edits
10:06
because
10:06
that's
10:06
your
10:07
focus
10:07
to
10:07
at
10:08
least
10:08
get
10:08
the
10:08
book
10:09
ready
10:09
for
10:10
printing.
10:10
Yeah.
10:10
And
10:11
then
10:11
you
10:11
have
10:11
to
10:11
find
10:11
your
10:11
illustrator
10:12
and
10:12
then
10:13
all
10:13
the
10:13
book
10:13
design
10:14
and
10:14
the
10:14
covers
10:14
and
10:15
then
10:15
uploading
10:15
it
10:16
on
10:16
Amazon
10:16
and
10:17
whatever.
10:18
So
10:18
now
10:18
it's
10:18
printed.
10:19
So
10:20
my
10:20
book
10:20
came
10:20
out
10:20
October
10:21
of
10:21
2024.
10:23
It's
10:23
not
10:23
even
10:23
been
10:24
a
10:24
full
10:24
year
10:24
at
10:25
all.
10:25
And
10:25
it's
10:25
version
10:26
beginning
10:27
of
10:27
June.
10:28
So
10:28
then
10:28
what
10:29
I
10:29
did
10:29
was
10:29
I
10:30
made
10:30
my
10:30
little
10:31
business
10:31
plan,
10:33
contacted
10:33
local
10:34
libraries.
10:34
We
10:34
have
10:35
many
10:35
smaller
10:35
libraries.
10:36
We
10:36
live
10:36
in
10:36
a
10:36
very
10:37
rural
10:37
part
10:38
of
10:38
upstate
10:38
New
10:38
York.
10:39
So
10:39
there
10:39
are
10:40
many
10:40
small
10:40
libraries.
10:41
So
10:41
I
10:41
started
10:42
calling
10:42
them
10:43
to
10:43
see
10:43
if
10:43
it's
10:44
a
10:44
new
10:44
book.
10:44
Local
10:45
author,
10:46
let's
10:46
do
10:46
a
10:47
program.
10:47
So
10:47
many
10:47
were,
10:48
most
10:48
of
10:49
them
10:49
were
10:49
happy
10:50
to
10:50
host
10:50
me.
10:51
So
10:51
that
10:52
was
10:52
one
10:52
way
10:53
of
10:53
getting
10:53
to
10:54
readers
10:54
and
10:55
talking
10:55
about
10:56
the
10:56
book.
10:56
And
10:56
the
10:57
process
10:58
then
10:58
started
10:59
calling
10:59
schools.
11:00
And
11:00
I
11:00
have
11:00
not
11:01
had
11:01
much
11:01
luck
11:02
up
11:02
here
11:03
getting
11:03
any
11:04
feedback
11:05
or
11:05
response
11:06
from
11:07
public
11:07
schools.
11:08
I
11:08
think
11:08
they're
11:08
so
11:09
strapped
11:10
for
11:10
cash
11:11
for
11:11
their
11:12
time
11:12
because
11:12
they're
11:13
teaching
11:13
for
11:13
tests.
11:14
They
11:14
don't
11:14
have
11:15
extra
11:15
time
11:15
to
11:16
just
11:16
write
11:16
an
11:16
author.
11:17
But
11:17
I've
11:18
had
11:18
a
11:18
lot
11:18
of
11:19
good
11:19
experiences
11:20
with
11:20
our
11:21
small
11:21
private
11:22
schools.
11:22
Many
11:23
of
11:23
them
11:23
are
11:23
just
11:24
Catholic
11:24
schools
11:24
or
11:25
just
11:25
independent
11:26
schools.
11:26
They
11:26
have
11:27
more
11:27
flexibility.
11:28
I've
11:29
been
11:29
able
11:29
to
11:29
and
11:29
I
11:29
usually
11:30
will.
11:30
So
11:31
I
11:31
developed
11:32
a
11:32
book
11:32
pre
11:32
order
11:33
form
11:33
and
11:34
I
11:34
share
11:34
with
11:34
the
11:35
schools
11:35
and
11:36
then
11:36
ask
11:36
them
11:37
if
11:37
they
11:37
will
11:37
send
11:38
that
11:38
to
11:38
the
11:38
families
11:39
A
11:39
couple
11:39
weeks
11:40
before
11:40
my
11:40
visit.
11:41
And
11:41
then
11:42
they're
11:42
able
11:42
to
11:42
pre
11:42
order
11:43
and
11:43
I
11:43
say
11:43
I'll
11:43
bring
11:44
everything
11:44
nicely
11:45
signed
11:45
to
11:46
the
11:46
reading.
11:47
And
11:47
then
11:48
they
11:48
also
11:48
have
11:48
a
11:48
chance
11:49
afterwards
11:50
if
11:50
some
11:50
kids
11:51
really
11:51
like
11:51
the
11:51
book
11:52
to.
11:53
They
11:53
have
11:53
a
11:53
week
11:54
after
11:54
the
11:54
talk
11:55
if
11:56
they
11:56
want
11:57
to
11:57
order
11:57
some.
11:58
Nice.
11:59
And
11:59
because
12:00
they're
12:00
local,
12:00
they're
12:01
not
12:01
too
12:01
far
12:01
away.
12:02
At
12:02
most
12:02
it's
12:02
about
12:03
an
12:03
hour
12:03
drive,
12:03
which
12:04
is
12:04
at
12:04
the
12:04
front
12:04
farthest
12:05
end
12:05
of
12:05
me.
12:06
My.
12:06
I
12:06
can
12:07
always
12:07
take
12:07
them
12:08
and
12:08
deliver
12:08
them
12:09
my
12:09
next
12:10
way
12:10
out.
12:10
So
12:11
I
12:11
make
12:11
it
12:11
easier
12:11
for
12:12
them.
12:12
And
12:12
it's
12:12
cheaper
12:13
than
12:13
on
12:13
Amazon
12:14
because
12:14
I
12:14
order
12:15
my
12:15
other
12:15
copies
12:16
and
12:16
I
12:16
can
12:16
give
12:17
them
12:17
a
12:17
little
12:17
discount.
12:18
Absolutely.
12:19
And
12:19
so
12:20
it
12:20
sounds.
12:21
With
12:21
you
12:21
being
12:21
in
12:22
a
12:22
rural
12:22
area,
12:23
do
12:23
you
12:23
attend
12:24
some
12:24
farmers
12:25
markets?
12:26
No,
12:27
it's
12:27
just
12:28
to.
12:28
It's
12:29
the
12:29
time.
12:30
I've
12:30
done
12:31
some.
12:31
I
12:31
did
12:32
some.
12:32
What
12:32
do
12:32
you
12:32
call
12:33
them?
12:33
The
12:33
craft
12:34
type
12:34
shows.
12:35
Yes.
12:35
Even
12:35
around
12:36
the
12:36
holidays.
12:37
And
12:37
only
12:37
one
12:37
really
12:38
was
12:38
successful.
12:39
Because
12:39
you
12:39
have
12:40
to
12:40
pay
12:40
a
12:40
table
12:41
fee.
12:41
Yes.
12:42
And
12:42
if
12:42
you
12:42
don't
12:43
sell
12:44
and
12:44
we
12:44
don't
12:44
make
12:45
much
12:45
when
12:46
our
12:46
books
12:46
are
12:46
on
12:46
Amazon,
12:47
it's
12:47
like
12:47
not
12:48
much
12:48
at
12:48
all.
12:48
And
12:49
so
12:49
that's
12:49
how
12:49
I
12:50
tried
12:50
to
12:50
figure
12:50
out,
12:50
okay,
12:51
if
12:51
it's
12:51
$65
12:52
or
12:52
$125
12:53
to
12:53
just
12:54
rent
12:54
a
12:54
table,
12:56
I
12:56
would
12:56
have
12:56
to
12:57
sell
12:57
10,
12:58
15,
12:58
however
12:59
many
12:59
books
12:59
to
13:00
even
13:00
break
13:00
even
13:01
for
13:01
sure.
13:02
And
13:03
it's
13:03
not
13:04
been
13:04
that
13:05
successful.
13:06
So
13:06
I
13:06
tried.
13:07
It
13:07
was
13:07
a
13:08
little
13:08
bit
13:08
of
13:08
success
13:09
right
13:09
before
13:09
Christmas
13:10
because
13:11
many
13:11
aunts
13:11
or
13:12
grandparents
13:12
are
13:13
looking
13:13
for
13:13
some
13:14
sort
13:14
of
13:14
a
13:15
gift
13:15
that's
13:15
not
13:16
just
13:16
another
13:16
toy.
13:17
And
13:17
so
13:17
they
13:17
might
13:18
sometimes
13:18
buy
13:18
a
13:19
book.
13:19
But
13:20
normally
13:20
if
13:20
it's
13:21
a
13:21
craft
13:21
show,
13:21
people
13:21
are
13:22
not
13:22
coming
13:22
to
13:22
buy
13:22
books.
13:23
They're
13:23
just
13:23
buying
13:24
knickknacks
13:24
or
13:25
whatever.
13:25
Wasn't.
13:26
But
13:26
because
13:27
my
13:27
book
13:27
is
13:27
about
13:28
dogs
13:29
now,
13:29
this
13:29
is
13:30
a
13:30
new
13:30
thing.
13:30
So
13:30
it's
13:30
coming
13:31
up
13:31
in
13:32
a
13:32
couple
13:32
weeks.
13:33
It's
13:33
called
13:33
Pet
13:34
Palooza.
13:35
It's
13:35
a
13:35
big
13:35
event
13:36
here.
13:36
I've
13:37
before.
13:38
But
13:38
there
13:38
are
13:39
a
13:39
lot
13:39
of.
13:39
It's
13:39
outdoors.
13:40
Many
13:41
like
13:41
shelters
13:43
and
13:43
other
13:44
organizations
13:45
that
13:45
serve
13:46
pet
13:46
owners.
13:47
That
13:47
kind
13:47
will
13:48
be
13:48
there
13:48
and
13:49
boarding
13:49
places,
13:50
vets,
13:51
other
13:51
people
13:52
who
13:52
make
13:53
issues
13:53
and
13:53
things
13:54
like
13:54
that.
13:54
So
13:55
I
13:55
did
13:55
apply
13:55
to
13:56
be
13:56
there.
13:57
Good
13:57
for
13:57
you.
13:57
Because
13:57
you
13:58
know
13:58
what?
13:58
I
13:58
talked
13:58
to
13:59
a
14:00
couple
14:00
of
14:00
authors
14:01
who
14:01
were
14:02
in
14:02
the
14:03
Air
14:03
Force
14:04
and
14:04
yeah.
14:05
And
14:05
they
14:05
were
14:05
pilots
14:06
or
14:06
helicopter
14:07
pilots.
14:07
And
14:08
those
14:08
ladies
14:09
and
14:09
a
14:09
gentleman
14:10
actually
14:11
went
14:11
to
14:11
like
14:12
an
14:12
air.
14:12
Not
14:13
an
14:13
air
14:13
show,
14:13
but
14:14
an
14:14
aircraft
14:14
conference.
14:16
And
14:17
what
14:17
was
14:17
interesting
14:18
is
14:18
one
14:18
of
14:19
the
14:19
sponsoring
14:21
suppliers
14:22
actually
14:23
bought
14:25
all
14:25
the
14:25
authors
14:26
that
14:26
attended.
14:27
They
14:27
sponsored
14:28
them.
14:28
And
14:28
Bought
14:29
a
14:29
certain
14:29
amount
14:29
of
14:30
books.
14:30
That's
14:31
great.
14:31
Yeah,
14:32
it
14:32
was
14:32
fantastic.
14:33
And
14:33
then
14:33
what
14:33
happened
14:34
was
14:34
the
14:34
authors
14:35
got
14:36
the
14:36
revenue
14:37
and
14:37
then
14:38
they
14:38
signed
14:38
the
14:39
books
14:39
for
14:39
the
14:40
people
14:40
attending
14:40
the
14:41
shows.
14:42
So
14:42
that
14:42
was
14:42
a
14:43
nice
14:43
touch.
14:43
It's
14:44
nice
14:44
to
14:44
think
14:44
outside
14:45
the
14:45
box
14:46
and
14:46
realize
14:47
that.
14:47
That
14:47
you
14:48
don't
14:48
have
14:48
to
14:48
be
14:49
in
14:49
a
14:49
traditional
14:50
bookstore
14:52
to
14:53
reach
14:53
your
14:53
target
14:54
market.
14:55
And
14:55
you
14:55
have
14:55
to
14:55
know
14:56
what
14:56
your
14:56
target
14:56
market
14:57
is.
14:58
And
14:58
so
14:59
one,
15:00
there'll
15:00
be
15:00
animal
15:01
lovers
15:01
and
15:02
people
15:02
will
15:02
come
15:02
with
15:02
their
15:03
kids.
15:03
They're
15:03
looking
15:03
to
15:04
maybe
15:04
adopt
15:05
a
15:05
dog
15:05
or
15:05
a
15:06
cat.
15:06
I'll
15:07
be
15:07
in
15:07
the
15:07
children's
15:08
section
15:08
where
15:08
there's
15:08
face
15:09
painting
15:09
and
15:09
other
15:10
things.
15:10
Yes.
15:11
So
15:11
who
15:12
knows?
15:12
So
15:12
it's
15:13
something
15:14
new.
15:14
I'm
15:14
trying.
15:15
And
15:15
we'll
15:16
see
15:16
in
15:16
some
15:16
other.
15:17
They've
15:17
started.
15:18
This
15:18
one
15:19
lady
15:19
does
15:19
pop
15:19
up
15:20
bookstores.
15:20
So
15:21
she
15:21
has.
15:22
She
15:22
buys
15:22
books
15:23
that
15:23
are
15:23
not
15:23
used.
15:24
Exactly.
15:24
Overstocks.
15:25
Yes.
15:26
And
15:26
so
15:27
she
15:27
can
15:27
sell
15:27
them
15:28
cheaply.
15:28
And
15:28
she
15:29
sets
15:29
up
15:29
in
15:29
different.
15:30
Either
15:30
breweries
15:31
or
15:31
places
15:31
where
15:32
people
15:32
come
15:32
just
15:33
to
15:33
chat
15:33
and
15:34
sample
15:35
things.
15:35
And
15:36
it's
15:36
nice
15:37
because
15:37
a
15:37
lot
15:37
of
15:37
the
15:38
traditional
15:38
bookstores
15:39
are
15:39
no
15:39
more.
15:39
They've
15:40
just
15:40
gone
15:40
away.
15:41
The
15:41
readers
15:42
are
15:42
still
15:42
there,
15:42
which
15:43
was
15:43
a
15:43
nice
15:43
thing
15:44
to
15:44
see.
15:45
Like
15:45
just
15:46
browsing
15:46
and
15:47
looking
15:47
and
15:47
they'll
15:47
buy
15:48
things.
15:48
So
15:49
that's
15:49
another
15:49
thing
15:50
coming
15:50
up.
15:50
And
15:50
I'll
15:51
see
15:51
how
15:51
that
15:51
goes.
15:52
But
15:52
traditional
15:53
farmer's
15:54
market
15:54
is
15:54
just
15:54
a
15:55
waste
15:55
of
15:55
time,
15:56
I
15:56
think.
15:56
Too
15:56
many
15:57
hours
15:57
just
15:57
sitting
15:58
there
15:58
and
15:58
really
15:59
have
15:59
to
15:59
have
15:59
either
16:00
book
16:00
lovers
16:01
or
16:02
something
16:02
else
16:02
that
16:02
kind
16:03
of
16:03
ties
16:04
directly
16:04
to
16:05
your
16:05
book.
16:06
Thank
16:06
you
16:06
for
16:06
sharing
16:06
that.
16:07
Because
16:07
what
16:07
I'm
16:07
trying
16:07
to
16:08
do
16:08
is
16:08
help
16:09
aspiring
16:09
children's
16:10
book
16:10
authors
16:11
realize
16:11
that
16:12
you
16:12
really
16:12
have
16:13
to
16:13
think
16:13
about
16:14
your
16:15
approach
16:15
and
16:16
who
16:16
you're
16:16
approaching
16:17
and
16:17
your
16:17
time
16:18
that
16:18
you're
16:18
putting
16:18
in
16:19
to
16:19
do
16:19
that.
16:20
Let's
16:20
talk
16:20
about
16:21
your
16:21
publishing
16:22
approach.
16:22
Each
16:23
one
16:23
of
16:23
us
16:23
has
16:23
a
16:24
unique
16:24
publishing
16:25
approach.
16:25
So
16:25
I
16:26
noticed
16:26
that
16:26
you
16:27
used
16:27
Miriam
16:28
Laundrie
16:29
as
16:29
your
16:30
publisher
16:30
there.
16:30
If
16:31
you
16:31
can
16:31
explain
16:31
to
16:31
us.
16:32
We've
16:33
had
16:33
people
16:33
talk
16:33
about
16:34
Miriam
16:34
before,
16:34
but
16:35
talk
16:35
to
16:35
us
16:36
about
16:36
that
16:36
experience
16:37
and
16:37
tell
16:37
us
16:37
what
16:38
kind
16:38
of
16:38
publisher
16:39
she
16:39
is.
16:40
Okay.
16:42
So
16:42
when
16:42
I
16:42
started
16:43
thinking
16:43
about
16:44
the
16:44
actual
16:44
publishing
16:45
process,
16:46
you
16:46
have
16:46
traditional
16:47
publishers,
16:47
which
16:48
the
16:48
more
16:48
I
16:48
talked
16:49
to
16:49
people,
16:49
they
16:49
said
16:50
so
16:50
many
16:50
people
16:50
are
16:51
now
16:51
writing
16:51
and
16:52
illustrating
16:52
even
16:52
their
16:53
own
16:53
books.
16:53
Because
16:54
with
16:54
computers
16:55
with.
16:55
It's
16:55
easier
16:56
than
16:56
it
16:56
was
16:57
in
16:57
the
16:57
past.
16:58
And
16:58
traditional
16:59
publish
16:59
publishers
17:00
are
17:00
just
17:00
inundated
17:01
now
17:01
with.
17:02
Or
17:02
were
17:02
with
17:03
all
17:03
these
17:03
manuscripts.
17:04
So
17:04
they
17:05
will
17:05
not
17:05
even
17:06
really
17:06
look
17:06
at
17:06
you
17:06
unless
17:07
you
17:07
have
17:08
already
17:09
been
17:09
looked
17:10
at
17:10
by
17:10
an
17:10
agent.
17:11
You
17:11
have
17:11
to
17:11
be
17:12
represented
17:12
by
17:13
an
17:13
Agent
17:13
most
17:14
of
17:14
the
17:14
time
17:15
before
17:15
a
17:15
traditional
17:16
publisher
17:16
will
17:16
even
17:17
deign
17:18
to
17:18
look
17:18
at
17:18
you.
17:18
And
17:19
people
17:19
said
17:19
it
17:20
can
17:20
take
17:20
anywhere
17:20
from
17:21
six
17:21
to
17:21
10
17:21
years.
17:23
And
17:23
I
17:23
thought
17:23
I
17:23
don't
17:24
have
17:24
that
17:24
kind
17:24
of
17:24
time.
17:26
And
17:26
I've
17:26
heard
17:26
that
17:26
story
17:27
before,
17:29
I.
17:29
Don'T
17:29
have
17:29
that
17:29
kind
17:30
of
17:30
time.
17:31
So
17:31
the
17:32
next
17:32
thing
17:32
was
17:32
okay,
17:33
just
17:33
learning
17:33
to
17:34
do
17:34
it
17:34
on
17:34
my
17:34
own.
17:35
But
17:35
again
17:36
maybe
17:36
it's
17:38
age
17:38
related
17:39
or
17:39
whatever.
17:39
I'm
17:40
not
17:40
very
17:40
tech
17:41
savvy
17:41
and
17:42
things
17:42
are
17:42
just
17:42
changing
17:43
and
17:44
progress
17:44
is
17:45
too
17:45
fast
17:45
for
17:45
me
17:46
to
17:46
deal
17:46
with.
17:47
I
17:47
thought
17:47
it
17:48
might
17:48
be
17:48
just
17:49
there
17:49
might
17:49
be
17:49
too
17:50
many
17:50
hiccups
17:50
and
17:51
too
17:51
many
17:51
times
17:51
where
17:51
I'm
17:52
thinking
17:52
I'm
17:52
stuck.
17:52
Who
17:53
do
17:53
I
17:53
call?
17:53
What
17:54
do
17:54
you
17:54
know?
17:54
How
17:55
can
17:55
I
17:56
move
17:56
forward?
17:57
My
17:57
files
17:57
are
17:57
not
17:58
loading.
17:58
Or
17:58
they.
17:58
Oh,
17:59
they
17:59
disappeared
17:59
and
18:00
Amazon
18:01
never
18:01
got
18:01
them.
18:02
So
18:02
now
18:02
what?
18:03
So
18:03
then
18:04
I
18:04
came
18:04
across
18:05
Miriam
18:05
Laundrie
18:06
who
18:07
she's
18:07
not
18:08
vanity
18:09
publisher
18:09
exactly.
18:10
I'm
18:10
not
18:11
sure
18:11
what
18:11
they
18:11
are.
18:11
But
18:12
she
18:13
is
18:13
a
18:14
hybrid
18:14
publisher.
18:15
We
18:15
retain
18:16
the
18:16
authors
18:17
retain
18:17
all
18:18
the
18:18
rights
18:18
to
18:18
their
18:19
publication.
18:20
What
18:21
she
18:21
does
18:22
is
18:22
her
18:23
promise
18:23
is
18:23
that
18:24
she
18:24
and
18:24
her
18:24
team
18:24
will
18:25
guide
18:25
you
18:26
from
18:26
basically
18:27
the
18:27
inception
18:28
of
18:28
your
18:28
own
18:28
idea
18:30
all
18:30
the
18:30
way
18:30
to
18:31
holding
18:31
a
18:32
physical
18:32
printed
18:33
copy
18:34
of
18:34
your
18:34
book
18:34
in
18:34
your
18:35
hand
18:35
in
18:35
one
18:36
year.
18:36
One
18:36
year.
18:37
Because
18:37
you
18:37
know
18:38
you
18:38
can
18:38
start
18:38
and
18:38
then
18:38
there
18:39
are
18:39
various
18:39
things
18:40
come
18:40
up.
18:41
Yeah.
18:41
And
18:41
then
18:42
10
18:42
years
18:42
later,
18:43
oh,
18:43
maybe
18:44
it's
18:44
time.
18:45
And
18:45
that
18:45
was
18:45
to
18:46
hold
18:46
you
18:46
accountable,
18:47
to
18:48
help
18:48
you
18:48
through,
18:49
to
18:49
answer
18:50
questions,
18:50
things
18:51
like
18:51
that.
18:51
And
18:51
her
18:52
team
18:52
is
18:52
excellent
18:53
and
18:54
just
18:54
really
18:55
kept
18:55
me.
18:55
And
18:55
I'm
18:56
organized
18:57
and
18:57
I
18:57
do
18:57
stay
18:57
on
18:58
task.
18:58
But
18:58
there
18:58
I
18:59
had
18:59
some
18:59
issues
18:59
with
18:59
my
19:00
illustrator.
19:00
But
19:01
they
19:02
help
19:02
you
19:03
feel
19:04
confident
19:04
enough
19:05
that
19:05
if
19:05
you
19:05
are
19:06
stuck
19:06
or
19:06
if
19:06
you
19:06
have
19:07
questions,
19:07
you
19:07
have
19:07
somewhere
19:08
to
19:08
go
19:09
ask.
19:09
And
19:09
they
19:09
do
19:10
a
19:10
beautiful
19:10
job.
19:11
Like
19:11
every
19:11
one
19:11
of
19:11
the
19:12
books
19:12
that
19:12
I've
19:12
seen
19:13
that
19:13
they've
19:14
used.
19:14
Miriam
19:14
Laundrie
19:15
just
19:16
the
19:17
books
19:17
are
19:17
beautiful,
19:18
a
19:18
very
19:18
nice
19:19
job.
19:19
I'm
19:20
extremely
19:20
happy
19:21
with
19:22
whatever
19:22
they
19:22
promised.
19:23
They
19:23
more
19:23
than
19:24
delivered
19:24
on.
19:25
I
19:25
want
19:25
to
19:25
talk
19:25
a
19:26
little
19:26
bit
19:26
about
19:26
your
19:26
second
19:26
book
19:27
and
19:27
I'll
19:27
tell
19:27
you
19:27
why
19:28
I'm
19:28
very
19:29
interested
19:29
in
19:29
your
19:29
second
19:30
book
19:30
is
19:31
tell
19:31
us
19:32
a
19:32
little
19:32
bit
19:32
about
19:33
the
19:34
award
19:34
that
19:34
you
19:35
won
19:36
because
19:36
I
19:36
noticed
19:37
you
19:37
won
19:37
the
19:38
Literary
19:38
Titan
19:39
Gold
19:39
book
19:39
award.
19:40
Tell
19:40
us
19:40
how
19:41
did
19:41
you
19:41
enter
19:42
and
19:42
tell
19:43
us
19:43
that
19:43
whole
19:43
process.
19:44
Congratulations
19:45
by
19:46
the
19:46
way.
19:46
Oh,
19:46
thank
19:47
you.
19:48
There
19:48
are
19:49
just
19:49
again
19:50
with
19:50
the
19:50
proliferation
19:51
of
19:53
self
19:53
published
19:54
authors
19:55
there's
19:55
also
19:56
been
19:56
proliferation
19:57
of
19:57
all
19:58
kinds
19:58
of
19:58
awards
19:59
for
19:59
various
20:00
things.
20:02
So
20:02
I
20:02
was
20:03
looking
20:03
for
20:03
an
20:03
indie
20:04
book
20:04
author
20:04
award
20:05
because
20:05
some
20:06
will
20:06
you
20:06
have
20:06
to
20:07
be
20:07
traditionally
20:07
published
20:08
if
20:08
you
20:08
can
20:08
Even
20:09
apply.
20:10
So
20:10
just
20:10
a
20:11
lot
20:11
of
20:11
research.
20:12
Most
20:12
awards
20:13
of
20:13
course
20:14
have
20:14
a
20:14
registration
20:15
fee
20:16
and
20:16
some
20:16
were
20:17
pretty
20:17
expensive.
20:18
And
20:18
you
20:19
just
20:19
have
20:19
to
20:19
research
20:20
and
20:20
see
20:21
what
20:21
their
20:21
requirements
20:22
are,
20:22
what
20:22
their
20:23
standards
20:23
are,
20:23
the
20:24
different
20:24
levels,
20:25
and
20:25
then
20:26
make
20:26
up
20:26
your
20:26
own
20:26
mind.
20:27
So
20:28
I
20:28
wanted
20:28
to
20:29
see
20:29
if
20:30
my
20:30
book
20:30
would
20:31
be
20:31
able
20:32
to
20:32
win
20:33
an
20:33
award.
20:33
I
20:33
applied
20:34
for
20:35
maybe
20:35
four
20:35
or
20:36
five
20:36
and
20:37
I
20:37
did
20:37
win
20:38
three.
20:39
I
20:39
didn't
20:39
put
20:40
them.
20:41
Yeah.
20:41
So
20:41
it's,
20:42
it
20:42
just
20:42
makes
20:42
you
20:42
feel
20:43
validated.
20:44
And
20:44
I
20:44
noticed
20:45
on
20:45
your
20:45
website
20:46
you
20:46
have
20:46
the
20:47
actual
20:47
symbol
20:48
on
20:48
the
20:48
book
20:49
cover.
20:50
Now
20:50
have
20:51
I
20:51
purchased
20:52
this
20:52
book
20:52
a
20:52
little
20:53
while
20:53
ago?
20:54
I
20:54
think
20:54
I
20:55
purchased
20:55
it
20:56
in
20:56
April.
20:57
But
20:59
does
20:59
your
20:59
new
21:00
copies
21:00
that
21:00
are
21:00
printed
21:01
have
21:01
the
21:01
symbol
21:02
on
21:02
it?
21:03
No,
21:04
because
21:04
you
21:05
have
21:05
to
21:05
resubmit
21:06
to
21:06
Amazon
21:08
different
21:08
files.
21:09
So
21:09
you
21:09
have
21:09
to
21:09
change
21:10
the
21:10
COVID
21:11
and
21:11
you
21:11
have
21:11
to
21:12
have
21:12
it.
21:12
And
21:13
I
21:13
would
21:13
have
21:13
to
21:14
pay
21:14
like
21:14
$500
21:15
or
21:15
something
21:16
to
21:16
the
21:16
book
21:16
designer
21:17
to
21:17
redesign
21:18
because
21:18
it's
21:19
all
21:19
pretty
21:19
complicated
21:20
and
21:20
I
21:20
don't
21:21
know
21:21
how
21:21
to
21:22
exactly
21:22
do
21:22
it
21:23
properly.
21:23
So
21:24
it
21:24
would
21:24
be
21:24
a
21:24
new
21:24
file
21:25
basically
21:26
that
21:26
would
21:26
have
21:27
to
21:27
be
21:27
submitted
21:28
to
21:28
Amazon
21:29
for
21:29
them
21:30
to
21:30
print
21:30
it
21:30
with
21:31
the
21:31
symbol.
21:31
Sadly,
21:32
that
21:32
would
21:33
be
21:33
very
21:33
nice
21:33
to
21:34
have
21:34
that
21:34
because
21:35
I
21:35
do
21:35
order
21:35
my
21:36
author
21:36
copies
21:36
to
21:37
take
21:37
to
21:37
the
21:38
book
21:38
signings.
21:39
Right.
21:39
I
21:39
was
21:39
curious
21:40
if
21:40
having
21:41
that
21:41
on
21:41
your
21:41
book
21:42
cover
21:42
or
21:43
showing
21:43
it
21:43
on
21:44
your
21:44
website,
21:44
has
21:44
that
21:45
helped
21:45
you
21:45
sell
21:46
some
21:46
more
21:47
books?
21:47
How
21:48
do
21:48
you
21:48
find
21:48
out?
21:48
See,
21:49
that's
21:49
the
21:49
thing,
21:50
right.
21:50
Just
21:51
don't
21:51
know
21:51
what
21:52
moves
21:52
somebody
21:53
to
21:53
buy
21:53
it.
21:54
And
21:54
the
21:54
other
21:54
thing
21:54
is
21:54
I
21:55
have
21:55
been.
21:55
I
21:56
didn't
21:56
have
21:56
an
21:56
Instagram
21:57
account.
21:57
I
21:57
had
21:58
gone
21:58
away
21:58
really
21:59
from
21:59
Facebook.
22:00
But
22:01
again,
22:01
Miriam
22:02
Laundrie's
22:02
team
22:02
said
22:03
that
22:03
you
22:03
meet
22:04
many
22:04
more
22:04
people
22:05
through
22:06
social
22:06
media.
22:06
Especially
22:07
where
22:07
I
22:07
live,
22:08
it's
22:08
very
22:08
rural.
22:09
I
22:09
don't
22:09
really
22:09
have
22:10
contacts
22:11
that
22:11
are.
22:12
That
22:12
was
22:12
another
22:12
thing.
22:13
So
22:13
I
22:13
started
22:14
and
22:14
I'm
22:15
trying
22:15
to
22:15
keep
22:16
up
22:16
with
22:16
Instagram
22:17
and
22:17
that
22:18
I
22:18
think
22:18
I
22:18
have
22:19
gotten
22:20
sales
22:20
through
22:20
that
22:21
because
22:22
it's
22:22
the
22:22
back
22:22
and
22:22
forth
22:23
like
22:23
you
22:23
are
22:23
doing
22:24
here
22:24
to
22:24
help
22:25
new
22:25
authors.
22:26
Same
22:26
thing
22:27
I
22:27
do,
22:27
reviews
22:28
of
22:28
other
22:28
new
22:29
authors
22:29
books
22:30
and
22:30
just
22:31
share
22:31
and
22:31
all
22:32
that.
22:32
And
22:32
so
22:32
if
22:33
we
22:33
help
22:33
each
22:34
other.
22:35
I
22:35
couldn't
22:35
agree
22:35
with
22:36
you
22:36
more,
22:37
honestly.
22:38
I
22:38
was
22:38
reading
22:39
some
22:39
of
22:39
your
22:39
blog
22:40
posts
22:40
and
22:40
I
22:40
noticed
22:42
some
22:42
of
22:42
the
22:42
people,
22:43
they
22:44
were
22:44
very
22:44
encouraging.
22:45
So
22:46
it's
22:46
just
22:46
nice
22:47
to
22:47
have
22:47
that.
22:47
Right.
22:49
I
22:49
think
22:49
that's
22:49
one
22:50
of
22:50
the
22:50
great
22:50
things
22:51
that
22:51
I
22:51
have
22:51
found
22:52
is
22:52
to
22:52
like
22:53
minded
22:53
people
22:54
who
22:55
like
22:55
reading,
22:56
who
22:56
believe
22:57
in
22:57
the
22:57
power
22:57
of
22:58
books
22:59
and
22:59
starting
23:00
kids
23:01
early
23:01
to
23:02
love
23:02
stories,
23:03
to
23:03
love
23:03
books.
23:04
So
23:04
if
23:04
I
23:04
can
23:05
help
23:05
other
23:05
new
23:06
authors
23:06
again
23:07
I'm
23:07
not
23:08
indiscriminate.
23:09
I
23:09
load
23:09
a
23:10
lot
23:10
of
23:10
the
23:10
people
23:11
make
23:11
their
23:11
books
23:12
free,
23:12
occasionally
23:13
on
23:13
Kindle,
23:13
and
23:13
I
23:13
get
23:14
that.
23:15
But
23:15
some
23:15
that
23:15
I
23:16
can't.
23:18
I
23:18
understand
23:18
for
23:19
sure.
23:19
Yeah,
23:20
it's
23:21
been
23:21
great.
23:21
No,
23:22
fantastic.
23:22
Because
23:23
I,
23:23
like
23:23
I
23:23
said
23:24
to
23:24
you
23:24
as
23:24
I
23:24
was
23:25
looking
23:25
at
23:25
your
23:26
website,
23:26
reading
23:26
your
23:27
blogs,
23:27
and
23:27
then
23:27
I
23:28
came
23:28
across
23:28
that
23:29
you
23:29
were
23:29
working
23:29
on
23:30
your
23:30
second
23:30
book.
23:31
And
23:31
normally
23:32
I,
23:33
I
23:34
say
23:34
to
23:35
my
23:35
guests,
23:36
once
23:36
you
23:36
get
23:36
close
23:37
to
23:37
finishing
23:37
your
23:38
book
23:38
and
23:38
you're
23:38
about
23:38
to
23:39
launch,
23:39
please
23:39
let
23:39
me
23:40
know.
23:40
I'd
23:40
love
23:40
to
23:40
have
23:40
you
23:41
back
23:41
on
23:41
the
23:41
show.
23:42
But
23:42
I
23:43
noticed
23:43
your
23:44
second
23:44
book
23:45
was
23:45
so
23:46
fascinating
23:46
because
23:47
you
23:48
had
23:48
a
23:48
cousin
23:49
who
23:49
had
23:50
polio.
23:51
I
23:52
have
23:52
a
23:52
cousin
23:52
who
23:52
had
23:53
polio.
23:54
So
23:54
you
23:54
and
23:55
I
23:55
have
23:55
something
23:55
very
23:55
much
23:56
in
23:56
common
23:56
now.
23:57
He
23:57
lives
23:57
right
23:58
in
23:58
the
23:58
surrounding
23:59
area
23:59
that
23:59
I
24:00
live
24:00
in.
24:00
And
24:01
so
24:01
when
24:01
I
24:01
was
24:01
younger,
24:02
I
24:02
was
24:03
growing
24:03
up
24:03
as
24:04
he
24:04
was
24:04
growing
24:05
up,
24:05
except
24:05
he
24:05
had
24:06
the
24:06
difficulties
24:07
because
24:07
of
24:07
polio.
24:08
He's
24:08
always,
24:09
he
24:09
learned
24:09
to
24:10
use
24:10
his
24:10
crutches
24:11
and
24:11
have
24:11
the
24:11
ability
24:12
to
24:12
walk.
24:12
And
24:13
I
24:13
don't
24:13
want
24:13
to
24:13
take
24:13
away
24:13
from
24:14
your
24:14
story.
24:14
So
24:14
tell
24:15
us
24:15
a
24:15
little
24:15
bit
24:15
about
24:16
the
24:16
inspiration
24:17
behind
24:17
your
24:17
second
24:18
book.
24:19
Like
24:20
you
24:20
mentioned,
24:20
it
24:20
was
24:21
my
24:21
cousin
24:21
and
24:21
she,
24:22
again,
24:22
we
24:22
also
24:23
grew
24:23
up
24:24
together.
24:24
Now,
24:24
she
24:25
was
24:25
10
24:25
years
24:25
older
24:26
than
24:26
I
24:26
am,
24:27
but
24:27
still
24:27
we
24:28
were
24:28
very
24:28
close.
24:29
And
24:29
then
24:29
when
24:29
I,
24:30
because
24:30
we
24:30
grew
24:30
up
24:30
in
24:31
Pakistan,
24:32
eventually
24:33
she
24:33
moved
24:34
with
24:34
her
24:34
mother
24:35
and
24:35
brother,
24:35
who
24:36
unfortunately,
24:37
younger
24:37
brother
24:37
also
24:38
got
24:38
polio
24:39
because
24:39
the
24:40
vaccine
24:40
didn't
24:40
come
24:41
to
24:41
Pakistan,
24:41
especially
24:42
in
24:42
some
24:42
of
24:42
the
24:43
outlying
24:43
areas.
24:44
Right.
24:44
And
24:45
she
24:45
was
24:45
born
24:45
in
24:45
1952.
24:47
Anyway,
24:48
so
24:48
they
24:48
moved
24:49
to
24:49
Chicago
24:50
for
24:50
various
24:51
reasons.
24:51
And
24:51
later
24:52
I
24:52
ended
24:52
up
24:52
going
24:53
to
24:53
the
24:53
University
24:53
of
24:54
Chicago.
24:54
And
24:55
they
24:55
were
24:55
close.
24:56
I
24:56
was
24:56
with
24:56
them
24:57
for
24:58
most
24:58
of
24:58
my
24:59
adult
24:59
life
24:59
as
25:00
well.
25:00
Okay.
25:01
And
25:01
I
25:01
did
25:01
see
25:02
her
25:02
slowly
25:03
because
25:03
it's
25:03
the
25:03
post
25:03
polio
25:04
syndrome.
25:05
I
25:05
don't
25:05
know
25:05
if
25:05
your
25:06
cousin
25:07
is
25:07
dealing
25:07
with
25:08
that
25:08
or
25:08
not.
25:09
So
25:09
far,
25:10
he's
25:10
been
25:10
lucky.
25:11
And
25:11
I'm
25:11
amazed
25:12
because
25:12
he
25:12
actually
25:13
married
25:14
later
25:14
in
25:14
life
25:14
and
25:15
has
25:15
three
25:15
children.
25:16
Yeah.
25:17
Anyways,
25:18
anyway,
25:19
so
25:19
I
25:19
did
25:19
see
25:19
her
25:20
slowly
25:20
become
25:21
weaker
25:21
in
25:22
physically
25:22
and
25:23
then
25:23
also
25:23
with
25:23
breathing
25:24
and
25:24
things
25:24
like
25:25
that.
25:25
But
25:26
her
25:26
spirit
25:26
just,
25:27
she
25:27
was
25:27
the
25:28
strongest,
25:28
most
25:29
positive
25:30
person
25:31
ever.
25:31
And
25:31
she
25:32
was
25:32
confined
25:32
to
25:33
bed
25:33
with
25:34
a
25:34
tracheotomy
25:35
tube
25:36
for
25:36
the
25:36
last
25:36
11
25:37
years
25:37
of
25:37
her
25:38
life.
25:38
And
25:39
yet
25:39
she
25:40
would
25:40
knit
25:40
and
25:41
she
25:41
would
25:41
watch
25:42
movies
25:42
and
25:42
discuss
25:43
politics.
25:44
And
25:44
always
25:45
I'd
25:45
say,
25:45
how
25:45
are
25:45
you?
25:46
And
25:46
she'd
25:46
say,
25:46
oh,
25:46
I'm
25:47
fine.
25:47
How
25:47
are
25:47
you?
25:49
And
25:49
so
25:49
I
25:49
love
25:50
it.
25:50
Yeah,
25:50
that's
25:51
spirit
25:52
was
25:52
really
25:52
an
25:52
inspiration
25:53
for
25:54
most
25:54
of
25:54
us.
25:55
Our
25:55
cousins
25:55
because
25:56
it's
25:56
a
25:56
big
25:56
family
25:57
and
25:57
the
25:58
adults
25:58
as
25:58
well,
25:59
our
25:59
aunts
26:00
and
26:00
uncles
26:01
and
26:02
her
26:03
wish
26:03
was
26:04
to
26:05
be
26:05
able
26:05
to
26:05
someday
26:06
just
26:06
run
26:07
and
26:07
climb
26:07
trees
26:08
and
26:10
just
26:11
feel
26:11
free
26:11
because
26:12
especially
26:12
with
26:12
the
26:12
trach,
26:13
she
26:13
was
26:13
just
26:14
completely.
26:14
She
26:15
couldn't
26:15
even
26:15
roll
26:15
over.
26:16
And
26:16
that
26:17
was
26:17
just
26:17
something
26:18
to
26:18
most
26:19
of
26:19
us
26:19
is
26:20
just
26:20
we
26:20
take
26:21
it
26:21
for
26:21
granted.
26:22
We
26:22
can
26:22
just
26:22
get
26:22
up
26:22
and
26:22
move
26:23
around
26:23
that
26:24
if
26:24
we
26:24
want
26:25
we
26:25
can
26:26
well
26:26
run
26:26
down
26:27
the
26:27
treadmill.
26:27
I
26:27
don't
26:28
know
26:28
if
26:28
I
26:28
could
26:28
run
26:28
outside.
26:29
But
26:29
just
26:30
those
26:30
kinds
26:30
of
26:31
things.
26:31
We
26:31
don't
26:31
even
26:32
think
26:32
twice.
26:32
Taking
26:33
a
26:33
shower.
26:34
Little
26:35
things
26:35
for
26:35
us.
26:36
And
26:36
so
26:36
it
26:36
just
26:37
gave
26:37
me.
26:38
And
26:38
I
26:38
have
26:38
three
26:39
sons
26:39
so
26:39
I
26:40
felt
26:40
more
26:40
comfortable
26:41
making
26:41
it
26:42
a
26:42
little
26:42
boy
26:42
in
26:43
my
26:43
book.
26:44
But
26:44
he's.
26:44
Yeah,
26:45
he's
26:45
confined
26:45
to
26:46
a
26:46
wheelchair.
26:47
She's
26:47
the
26:48
inspiration
26:48
that
26:49
you
26:49
draw
26:49
in
26:49
from
26:50
because
26:50
your
26:50
boys
26:51
are
26:51
healthy.
26:52
Yeah.
26:52
Okay.
26:53
He's
26:53
keeping
26:54
my
26:54
fingers.
26:55
Oh,
26:56
sorry.
26:56
Tell
26:56
us
26:57
the
26:57
title
26:57
of
26:57
the
26:57
book.
26:58
It's
26:59
called
26:59
the
26:59
Boy
27:00
who
27:00
wanted
27:00
to
27:01
Fly.
27:02
Like
27:02
I
27:02
said
27:02
because
27:02
I
27:02
have
27:03
a
27:03
personal
27:04
relationship
27:05
with
27:05
polio.
27:05
I
27:06
was
27:06
touched
27:06
by
27:06
that.
27:07
It's
27:07
fantastic
27:08
that
27:08
you're
27:08
working
27:08
on
27:09
that.
27:09
Thank
27:10
you.
27:10
Yeah.
27:10
It's
27:10
been
27:10
a
27:11
great,
27:11
much
27:12
easier
27:12
second
27:12
time
27:13
around.
27:13
Okay.
27:14
And
27:15
so
27:15
are
27:15
you
27:16
going
27:16
to
27:16
use
27:17
Miriam
27:17
Laundry
27:18
services
27:18
again
27:20
this
27:20
time.
27:20
But
27:21
then
27:21
I
27:21
think
27:22
I'm
27:22
much
27:22
more
27:23
confident
27:23
now
27:24
through
27:24
the
27:25
editing
27:25
process
27:26
just
27:26
knowing
27:26
how
27:27
to
27:28
go
27:28
from
27:28
beginning
27:29
to
27:29
basically
27:30
the
27:30
end
27:31
with
27:31
the
27:31
publishing.
27:32
She
27:32
does
27:32
not
27:32
help
27:33
with
27:33
marketing
27:34
at
27:34
all.
27:34
She'll
27:35
do
27:35
an
27:35
interview
27:36
with.
27:36
Once
27:36
your
27:36
book
27:37
is
27:37
out
27:37
on
27:38
launch
27:38
day,
27:39
she
27:39
does
27:39
an
27:39
interview
27:40
and
27:40
really
27:41
encourages
27:41
the
27:42
other
27:42
authors,
27:43
new
27:43
and
27:44
old
27:44
in
27:44
that
27:44
big
27:45
group
27:45
to
27:46
go
27:46
and
27:46
support
27:47
each
27:47
other
27:47
or
27:48
support
27:48
or
27:48
buy
27:48
a
27:49
copy
27:49
of
27:49
the
27:49
book,
27:50
review
27:50
it,
27:50
whatever.
27:51
So
27:51
that's
27:51
been
27:52
very
27:52
nice.
27:53
So
27:53
you're
27:53
able
27:54
to
27:54
use
27:54
her
27:55
services
27:55
but
27:56
more
27:56
a
27:56
la
27:57
carte,
27:57
is
27:57
that
27:58
correct?
27:59
Some.
27:59
So
28:00
you
28:00
could.
28:00
Yeah.
28:01
Not
28:01
everything
28:02
but
28:02
I
28:02
think
28:03
you
28:03
can
28:03
purchase
28:04
a
28:04
editing
28:05
package.
28:07
So
28:07
that's
28:07
good.
28:08
But
28:08
then
28:08
you
28:08
would
28:08
have
28:09
to
28:09
find
28:09
your
28:09
own
28:09
book
28:10
designer
28:10
to
28:11
lay
28:11
it
28:11
out
28:11
and
28:11
upload
28:12
the
28:12
files
28:12
or
28:13
learn
28:13
how
28:13
to
28:14
do
28:14
it
28:14
yourself,
28:15
things
28:16
like
28:16
that.
28:17
From
28:17
what
28:17
I
28:17
understand,
28:18
you
28:18
also
28:18
have
28:19
to
28:19
find
28:19
your
28:19
own
28:21
illustrator.
28:21
Yes.
28:22
Okay,
28:23
so
28:23
before
28:24
I
28:24
talk
28:24
to
28:24
you
28:24
about
28:24
the
28:25
illustrations,
28:25
I
28:26
just
28:26
want
28:26
to
28:26
talk
28:26
a
28:26
little
28:27
bit
28:27
about
28:27
because
28:28
as
28:28
a
28:29
self
28:29
published
28:29
author
28:30
and
28:30
you
28:30
got
28:31
to
28:31
keep
28:31
all
28:31
the
28:31
files,
28:32
you
28:32
control
28:33
everything.
28:34
So
28:34
did
28:34
you
28:34
do
28:35
any
28:35
print
28:35
on
28:36
demand
28:36
at
28:36
all
28:37
like
28:37
in
28:37
larger
28:38
quantities
28:38
or
28:39
are
28:39
you
28:39
just
28:40
using
28:40
the
28:41
Amazon
28:41
print
28:42
on
28:42
like
28:43
for
28:43
book
28:43
authors
28:44
service?
28:46
Yeah.
28:47
So
28:47
I
28:47
don't
28:48
have
28:48
a
28:48
separate
28:48
publisher.
28:49
So
28:49
it's
28:49
just
28:50
Amazon.
28:51
But
28:52
print
28:52
on
28:52
demand.
28:53
So
28:53
I
28:53
do
28:53
order
28:54
copies.
28:54
So
28:55
I
28:55
think
28:55
I've
28:55
ordered
28:56
initially
28:56
like
28:57
200
28:57
copies
28:59
of
28:59
my
28:59
paperback.
29:00
Then
29:00
Ingramspark
29:01
does
29:02
hardcover.
29:03
Yes.
29:03
So
29:03
I
29:04
ordered
29:04
some
29:04
from
29:05
there.
29:05
So
29:05
I
29:05
had
29:05
enough
29:06
to
29:06
do
29:06
all
29:06
my
29:06
library
29:07
visits,
29:08
things
29:08
like
29:08
that.
29:09
But
29:09
yeah,
29:09
I
29:09
don't
29:09
have
29:10
another
29:10
publisher.
29:11
Okay,
29:11
so
29:11
you're
29:12
not
29:12
using
29:12
any
29:12
offset
29:13
printing
29:13
services.
29:14
Okay.
29:15
No,
29:15
no.
29:15
I
29:15
again,
29:16
I
29:16
want
29:16
people
29:16
to
29:16
understand
29:17
that
29:17
I
29:18
will
29:18
say
29:18
one
29:18
thing
29:19
about.
29:19
Because
29:20
that's
29:20
what
29:20
we've
29:21
been
29:21
using
29:21
is
29:21
Amazon's
29:22
author's
29:23
copy
29:24
services.
29:25
So
29:25
far
29:26
that
29:26
seems
29:27
to
29:27
be
29:28
working
29:28
quite
29:28
well.
29:29
Yeah,
29:29
I
29:30
just
29:30
don't
29:30
want
29:30
to
29:31
have
29:31
thousand
29:31
books
29:32
to
29:32
store.
29:33
Oh,
29:33
I
29:33
couldn't
29:34
agree
29:34
with
29:34
him
29:34
more.
29:35
You
29:35
can
29:35
order
29:35
200
29:36
or
29:36
300
29:37
and
29:38
then
29:38
try
29:38
to
29:39
sell
29:39
them.
29:40
I
29:40
don't
29:40
want
29:40
boxes
29:41
and
29:41
boxes.
29:41
And
29:42
I
29:42
don't
29:42
blame
29:42
you
29:42
at
29:42
all.
29:43
So
29:44
tell
29:44
us
29:45
about
29:45
your
29:45
illustrator.
29:46
I'm
29:46
interested
29:47
because
29:49
Miriam
29:49
Laundrie
29:50
has
29:50
you
29:50
find
29:50
your
29:51
own
29:51
illustrator.
29:52
So
29:52
tell
29:52
us
29:52
how
29:53
did
29:53
you
29:53
find
29:53
your
29:53
illustrator?
29:54
And
29:54
then
29:55
tell
29:55
us
29:55
about
29:56
your
29:56
illustrator.
29:56
Because
29:57
the
29:57
one
29:57
thing
29:57
I
29:57
want
29:58
everyone
29:58
to
29:58
know
29:59
is
30:00
that
30:01
you
30:02
actually
30:03
Ferial.
30:04
What
30:05
you
30:05
did
30:05
is
30:06
you
30:06
actually
30:07
in
30:07
your
30:07
book.
30:08
And
30:08
I
30:08
know
30:09
people
30:09
listening
30:09
can't
30:10
see
30:10
it,
30:10
but
30:10
in
30:11
Arielle's
30:12
book,
30:12
she
30:12
actually
30:13
gives
30:13
her
30:14
illustrator
30:17
like
30:17
a
30:17
nice
30:17
write
30:18
up
30:18
in
30:18
your
30:18
book.
30:20
So
30:21
explain
30:21
to
30:21
us
30:21
that
30:21
whole
30:22
relationship
30:22
and
30:23
why
30:23
you
30:23
were
30:23
so
30:24
generous
30:24
in
30:24
doing
30:25
that
30:25
with
30:25
your
30:25
children's
30:26
book
30:26
illustrator.
30:28
Books
30:29
that
30:29
are
30:29
picture
30:30
books
30:31
are
30:32
made
30:32
up
30:33
of
30:33
words
30:34
and
30:34
images.
30:35
You
30:35
have
30:36
to
30:36
have
30:36
that.
30:36
So
30:37
I
30:37
had
30:37
my
30:37
manuscript
30:38
which
30:38
was
30:39
words.
30:39
But
30:40
pictures
30:40
are
30:41
also
30:41
what
30:42
really
30:42
brought
30:42
the
30:43
whole
30:43
story
30:43
alive
30:44
for
30:44
a
30:45
young
30:45
reader.
30:46
We're
30:46
writing
30:46
for
30:47
people
30:47
who
30:47
cannot
30:48
read.
30:48
Basically
30:49
people
30:49
have
30:50
to
30:50
read
30:50
the
30:50
book
30:51
to
30:51
them
30:51
and
30:51
to
30:51
keep
30:52
the
30:52
interest.
30:52
I
30:53
think
30:53
pictures
30:53
are
30:54
great
30:54
because.
30:54
And
30:55
again,
30:55
not
30:55
too
30:55
many
30:56
words
30:56
because
30:57
attention
30:58
spans
30:58
are
30:58
very
30:58
short.
30:59
So
30:59
she.
31:00
And
31:00
this
31:01
was
31:01
true
31:02
to
31:02
life.
31:03
So
31:03
she
31:03
was
31:04
very
31:04
good
31:04
at
31:05
drawing
31:05
animals
31:06
and
31:06
the
31:07
outdoor
31:07
scenes,
31:08
things
31:08
like
31:08
that.
31:09
And
31:09
she
31:09
did.
31:09
I
31:10
think
31:10
she
31:10
did
31:10
a
31:10
great
31:10
job.
31:11
Beautiful.
31:12
And
31:12
I
31:12
felt.
31:12
Yeah.
31:13
And
31:13
I
31:13
felt
31:13
that
31:14
I
31:14
owed
31:14
it
31:14
to
31:15
her
31:15
because
31:15
again,
31:16
yeah,
31:16
the
31:16
words
31:16
were
31:17
mine,
31:17
but
31:17
the
31:17
pictures
31:18
were
31:18
hers
31:19
to
31:20
give
31:20
her
31:20
the
31:20
credit
31:21
where
31:21
credit
31:22
was
31:22
definitely
31:23
due.
31:23
Fantastic.
31:24
Good
31:24
for
31:24
you.
31:25
So
31:25
with
31:26
your
31:26
second
31:26
book,
31:27
is
31:27
she
31:28
going
31:28
to
31:28
be
31:29
the
31:29
illustrator
31:29
for
31:29
your
31:30
second
31:30
book?
31:31
No,
31:31
I
31:32
think
31:32
each
31:32
book
31:33
has
31:33
its
31:33
own
31:35
feel,
31:35
its
31:35
own
31:36
spirit.
31:37
And
31:38
so
31:38
this
31:38
was
31:38
a
31:39
very
31:39
particular
31:40
story
31:40
and
31:41
the
31:41
inspiration
31:41
and
31:42
was
31:42
a
31:42
memoriam
31:43
to
31:43
Charlie.
31:44
But
31:45
my
31:45
other
31:45
one
31:45
is
31:46
more.
31:47
It's
31:47
realistic,
31:48
but
31:48
it's
31:48
complete
31:49
fiction.
31:50
And
31:50
I
31:51
just
31:51
wanted
31:52
a
31:52
different.
31:52
You
31:53
know
31:53
what?
31:53
Ferry
31:53
is
31:54
interesting
31:54
because
31:55
I'VE
31:55
interviewed
31:56
quite
31:56
a
31:56
few
31:57
children's
31:57
book
31:58
authors
31:58
now.
31:59
And
31:59
to
32:00
your
32:00
point,
32:00
I
32:01
interviewed
32:02
a
32:02
gentleman,
32:03
Darcy
32:03
Guyant,
32:04
and
32:05
he
32:05
started
32:06
with
32:06
a
32:06
book
32:06
series.
32:07
He
32:07
wrote
32:08
three
32:08
children's
32:09
books
32:09
with
32:10
the
32:10
same
32:11
heroin.
32:12
And
32:13
Helicopter
32:14
was
32:14
the.
32:14
Was
32:15
a
32:15
character,
32:16
and
32:16
then
32:16
he
32:16
had
32:17
another
32:17
helicopter
32:18
as
32:18
a
32:18
character,
32:19
but
32:19
it
32:19
was
32:19
a
32:19
different
32:20
helicopter.
32:21
So
32:21
he
32:21
actually
32:21
used
32:22
a
32:22
different
32:22
illustrator.
32:23
To.
32:24
To
32:24
your
32:25
point,
32:25
it
32:26
just
32:26
had
32:26
a
32:26
different
32:27
feel.
32:27
It
32:27
wasn't
32:28
the
32:28
same.
32:28
I'm
32:29
hearing
32:29
that
32:29
quite
32:30
often
32:30
is
32:30
that
32:31
it's
32:31
not
32:31
that
32:32
people
32:32
are
32:33
dissatisfied
32:34
with
32:34
the
32:34
illustrator,
32:35
it's
32:36
just
32:36
that
32:36
they
32:36
have
32:36
a
32:37
specific
32:37
style
32:38
and
32:39
sometimes
32:39
you
32:40
want
32:40
to
32:40
move
32:41
away
32:41
from
32:41
that
32:41
style
32:42
to
32:42
match
32:43
the
32:43
book
32:44
that
32:44
you're
32:44
currently
32:45
working
32:45
on.
32:46
And
32:47
so
32:47
I
32:47
this
32:48
time.
32:48
So
32:48
before
32:48
with
32:49
Patrizia,
32:50
my
32:50
previous
32:50
illustrator,
32:51
again,
32:51
when
32:52
I
32:53
was
32:53
writing,
32:53
I
32:53
was
32:54
also
32:54
getting
32:55
a
32:55
ton
32:55
of
32:56
books,
32:56
kids
32:56
books
32:57
from
32:57
the
32:57
library
32:58
and
32:58
just
32:59
reading
32:59
them,
32:59
getting
33:00
an
33:00
idea
33:00
of
33:01
the
33:01
types
33:01
of
33:02
illustrations.
33:03
I
33:03
like
33:03
the
33:03
art
33:04
medium
33:05
because
33:05
many
33:05
artists
33:06
have
33:07
learned
33:07
to
33:07
draw,
33:08
but
33:08
their
33:09
characters
33:09
look
33:10
very
33:10
much
33:10
the
33:11
same
33:11
to
33:11
me.
33:11
I
33:12
don't
33:12
know.
33:13
So
33:13
I
33:13
wanted
33:14
something
33:15
different.
33:16
You
33:16
had
33:16
mentioned
33:17
earlier,
33:18
and
33:18
I
33:18
want
33:18
to
33:19
pick
33:19
up
33:19
on
33:19
this
33:19
because
33:20
now
33:20
that
33:20
we're
33:20
talking
33:21
about
33:21
the
33:21
illustrator,
33:22
you
33:22
said
33:22
that
33:22
you
33:23
had
33:23
sent
33:23
photos
33:24
to
33:25
your
33:25
illustrator
33:26
to
33:26
help
33:27
her
33:27
understand
33:27
what
33:28
you
33:28
were
33:28
trying
33:28
to
33:28
convey.
33:29
Is
33:29
that
33:29
correct?
33:30
Yes.
33:31
Yes.
33:32
And
33:32
in
33:33
the
33:33
back
33:33
of
33:33
my
33:33
book,
33:34
I
33:34
do
33:35
have
33:35
actual
33:35
photographs
33:36
of
33:36
Sophie
33:37
and
33:37
Charlie.
33:37
Yes.
33:38
And
33:38
I
33:38
always
33:39
mention
33:39
that
33:40
when
33:40
I
33:40
go
33:40
out
33:40
to
33:40
visit
33:41
schools,
33:41
kids
33:43
like
33:43
to
33:43
know
33:43
that
33:44
the
33:44
story
33:44
is
33:45
based
33:45
on
33:46
real
33:46
dogs.
33:47
And
33:48
then
33:48
they
33:48
can
33:48
see.
33:49
And
33:49
I
33:49
tell
33:49
them
33:49
these
33:50
are
33:50
photographs,
33:50
but
33:51
these
33:51
are
33:51
illustrations.
33:52
But
33:53
they
33:53
resemble
33:53
my
33:54
real
33:54
dogs
33:55
because
33:55
I
33:55
sent
33:56
lots
33:56
of
33:57
photographs.
33:57
It's
33:58
interesting
33:58
you
33:58
should
33:58
say
33:59
that,
33:59
because
33:59
I.
34:01
Our
34:01
book,
34:02
which
34:02
is
34:02
called.
34:03
Our
34:03
first
34:03
book,
34:03
is
34:03
called
34:04
the
34:04
Adventures
34:05
of
34:05
Caboose
34:05
the
34:06
Rocky
34:06
Mountain
34:06
Bear.
34:07
And
34:07
it's
34:08
actually
34:08
based
34:09
on
34:09
a
34:09
real
34:10
story.
34:11
Of
34:11
course,
34:11
it
34:11
wasn't
34:12
a
34:12
bear.
34:13
It
34:13
was
34:13
actually
34:13
my
34:14
oldest
34:15
granddaughter.
34:16
And
34:16
if
34:16
you
34:17
noticed,
34:17
we
34:17
actually
34:18
spelled
34:18
caboose
34:18
with
34:19
a
34:19
K.
34:19
And
34:20
the
34:20
reason
34:20
we
34:20
do
34:21
that
34:21
is
34:21
that
34:22
my
34:22
oldest
34:22
granddaughter's
34:23
name
34:24
is
34:24
Kira
34:24
and
34:25
that
34:25
starts
34:25
with
34:25
a
34:26
K.
34:27
So
34:28
she
34:28
was
34:28
the
34:28
inspiration.
34:29
And
34:29
the
34:30
story
34:30
is
34:30
actually
34:31
based
34:31
on.
34:32
About
34:32
our
34:32
adventures
34:33
in
34:33
the
34:33
Rocky
34:34
Mountains,
34:35
which
34:35
has
34:36
now
34:36
turned
34:36
into
34:37
about
34:37
38
34:37
different
34:38
stories
34:38
in
34:39
the
34:39
Adventures
34:39
of
34:39
Caboose,
34:40
the
34:40
Rocky
34:40
Mountain
34:41
Bear,
34:41
and
34:42
now
34:42
includes
34:43
my
34:43
four
34:44
other
34:44
grandchildren.
34:45
So
34:46
they've
34:46
all
34:47
become
34:47
co
34:47
authors
34:48
in
34:49
some
34:49
of
34:49
the
34:49
stories.
34:50
So
34:50
it's
34:50
been
34:50
a
34:51
lot
34:51
of
34:51
fun.
34:51
But
34:52
the
34:52
interesting
34:52
thing
34:53
for
34:53
the
34:54
illustrator
34:55
is
34:55
that,
34:57
first
34:58
of
34:58
all,
34:58
we
34:58
actually
34:59
developed,
35:00
if
35:00
you
35:00
can
35:00
see
35:00
right
35:00
there,
35:01
we
35:01
developed
35:01
A
35:01
stuffy.
35:02
And
35:02
I
35:02
tell
35:02
the
35:03
story.
35:03
We
35:03
were
35:03
down
35:03
in
35:04
San
35:04
Francisco
35:05
and.
35:05
And
35:06
it
35:06
was
35:06
in
35:06
our
35:06
minds
35:07
and
35:07
we
35:07
created
35:08
Caboose,
35:08
the
35:08
Rocky
35:09
Mountain
35:09
Bear.
35:09
I
35:10
sent
35:10
the
35:10
picture
35:10
to
35:11
our
35:11
illustrator
35:12
of
35:12
Caboose
35:14
and
35:15
he
35:15
used
35:15
that
35:16
to
35:17
develop
35:17
the
35:17
whole
35:18
feel
35:19
of
35:19
our
35:20
book.
35:20
So
35:21
then
35:21
what
35:21
we
35:21
did
35:22
is
35:22
we
35:22
sent
35:22
him
35:23
pictures
35:24
of
35:24
us
35:24
doing
35:25
these
35:25
adventures
35:26
and
35:27
he
35:27
turned,
35:28
because
35:29
of
35:29
Caboose,
35:30
turned
35:30
all
35:31
of
35:31
us
35:31
into
35:31
characters.
35:32
Why
35:33
I'm
35:33
saying
35:33
all
35:33
this
35:34
is
35:34
just
35:34
like
35:35
you.
35:35
You
35:35
sent
35:36
pictures
35:36
to
35:37
inspire
35:37
the
35:38
illustrator
35:39
and
35:39
she
35:40
did
35:40
it
35:40
in
35:41
almost
35:41
a
35:41
real
35:41
life
35:42
way.
35:42
In
35:43
our
35:43
case,
35:43
we
35:44
sent
35:44
our
35:44
real
35:44
life
35:45
pictures
35:46
and
35:46
we
35:46
were
35:46
turned
35:46
into
35:47
animation
35:48
or.
35:49
But
35:49
characters,
35:50
of
35:50
course.
35:51
And
35:51
so
35:51
it's
35:52
interesting
35:52
how
35:53
for
35:54
aspiring
35:55
book
35:55
authors
35:55
understand
35:56
that
35:57
don't
35:58
put
35:58
your
35:58
pictures
35:59
away
35:59
because
36:00
they
36:00
can
36:00
actually
36:01
be
36:01
your
36:01
storyboard.
36:02
And
36:02
an
36:03
illustrator
36:03
can
36:04
take
36:04
them
36:04
and
36:05
turn
36:05
them
36:05
into
36:06
something
36:06
very
36:06
magical.
36:08
It
36:08
depends
36:09
on
36:09
the
36:09
illustrator.
36:10
True.
36:11
This
36:11
time
36:12
for
36:12
the
36:12
second
36:12
book,
36:12
I
36:13
went
36:13
through
36:13
an
36:14
art
36:14
agency,
36:15
Advocate
36:15
Art.
36:16
And
36:16
I
36:17
looked
36:17
through
36:18
many.
36:18
They
36:19
represent
36:19
many
36:20
artists
36:20
and
36:20
illustrators.
36:21
Okay.
36:22
I
36:22
just
36:22
went
36:22
through
36:23
all
36:23
kinds
36:23
of
36:24
portfolios,
36:25
said
36:25
no.
36:26
Yes.
36:26
No.
36:26
Yes.
36:27
Made
36:27
my
36:27
lists
36:28
and
36:28
then
36:28
tried
36:28
to.
36:29
And
36:29
then
36:29
communicated
36:30
with
36:30
I
36:30
think
36:31
six
36:32
or
36:32
seven.
36:33
Because
36:33
not
36:33
everybody's
36:34
schedule
36:34
is
36:35
going
36:35
to
36:35
mesh
36:35
with
36:35
yours
36:36
for
36:36
sure.
36:37
And
36:37
even
36:37
you
36:38
have
36:38
to
36:38
have
36:38
a
36:38
budget
36:39
and
36:39
you
36:39
let
36:40
them
36:40
know
36:41
this
36:41
is.
36:41
So
36:42
there's.
36:42
So
36:42
you
36:42
just
36:43
hope
36:43
that
36:43
one
36:44
of
36:44
the
36:44
authors,
36:45
illustrators
36:46
that
36:46
you
36:46
like
36:47
will
36:47
end
36:48
up
36:48
being
36:48
available
36:49
for
36:49
your
36:49
book.
36:50
And
36:50
I
36:50
noticed
36:51
you've
36:51
already
36:51
started
36:52
publishing
36:53
on
36:53
your
36:53
blog
36:54
some
36:54
of
36:55
the
36:55
illustrations.
36:56
So
36:56
good
36:56
for
36:56
you.
36:57
And
36:57
you're.
36:57
And
36:58
you're
36:58
happy
36:58
with
36:58
the
36:58
new
36:59
illustrator?
36:59
Very
37:00
happy.
37:00
She's
37:00
very
37:01
creative.
37:02
She
37:02
gets
37:03
back
37:03
to
37:03
me
37:03
in
37:04
a
37:04
timely
37:04
way.
37:05
She
37:06
comes
37:06
up
37:06
with
37:07
her
37:07
own
37:07
ideas
37:08
as
37:08
well,
37:09
based
37:09
on
37:10
the
37:10
words
37:11
and
37:12
also
37:12
is
37:12
very
37:13
good
37:13
at
37:13
taking
37:14
my
37:14
feedback
37:15
and
37:15
incorporating
37:16
that
37:16
or
37:17
coming
37:17
up
37:17
with
37:17
something
37:18
else.
37:18
So
37:19
we're
37:19
just
37:19
kind
37:19
of
37:19
on
37:20
our
37:20
very
37:20
last
37:21
page
37:21
with
37:22
the
37:22
color
37:22
illustrations.
37:23
We're
37:23
having
37:23
a
37:23
little
37:24
bit
37:24
of
37:24
difficulty
37:25
figuring
37:25
out
37:26
how
37:26
to
37:26
portray
37:26
the
37:27
very
37:27
end.
37:27
But
37:28
we're.
37:28
We're
37:29
getting
37:29
everything
37:29
else
37:30
looks
37:30
great.
37:30
So
37:31
that
37:31
is
37:31
terrific.
37:32
Good
37:32
for
37:32
you.
37:33
I'm
37:33
really
37:34
happy
37:34
with
37:34
it.
37:35
Nice.
37:36
So
37:36
I
37:36
want
37:36
to
37:36
talk
37:37
to
37:37
you
37:37
about
37:37
your
37:37
website.
37:38
We
37:38
were
37:38
just
37:38
talking
37:39
about
37:39
it
37:39
and
37:40
I
37:40
really
37:40
poked
37:41
around
37:41
on
37:41
your
37:41
website
37:42
and
37:43
I
37:43
looked
37:43
at
37:43
your
37:44
blog
37:44
because
37:44
you
37:44
offer
37:45
so
37:45
much
37:45
value.
37:46
The
37:46
reason
37:46
I
37:47
tell
37:47
people
37:47
make
37:48
sure.
37:48
And
37:49
we'll
37:49
put
37:49
all
37:50
the
37:50
links
37:50
to
37:51
your
37:51
blog
37:51
in
37:51
the
37:52
show
37:52
notes,
37:52
but
37:53
go
37:53
to
37:53
Ferriel's
37:55
blog.
37:56
And
37:57
the
37:57
nice
37:58
thing,
37:58
I
37:58
like
37:58
what
37:58
you've
37:59
done
37:59
is
38:00
it
38:00
Gives
38:00
any
38:00
aspiring
38:01
children's
38:02
book
38:02
author
38:03
or
38:03
children's
38:04
book
38:04
reader
38:05
how
38:05
the
38:06
next
38:06
story
38:06
is
38:06
developing
38:07
in
38:07
your
38:08
thought
38:08
process
38:09
and
38:09
all
38:10
of
38:10
that.
38:10
So
38:10
if
38:10
you
38:10
want
38:11
a
38:11
guide,
38:13
go
38:13
to
38:13
Ferrielle's
38:14
blog
38:15
because
38:15
she
38:15
definitely
38:16
gives
38:16
you
38:16
a
38:16
guide
38:17
on
38:17
her
38:18
whole
38:18
thought
38:18
process
38:19
about
38:19
bringing
38:20
her
38:20
next
38:20
book
38:20
to
38:21
life.
38:21
Hats
38:21
off
38:22
to
38:22
you.
38:22
Very
38:22
nice
38:23
job.
38:24
Thank
38:24
you.
38:24
Because
38:24
it's
38:25
always
38:25
an.
38:25
I
38:25
don't
38:26
want
38:26
to
38:26
be
38:26
too
38:26
wordy
38:27
but
38:28
sometimes
38:28
it's
38:28
difficult
38:29
to
38:29
know
38:29
what
38:30
to
38:30
write
38:30
about.
38:30
So
38:31
I
38:31
figure
38:31
while
38:31
they
38:31
are
38:32
on
38:32
the
38:32
journey
38:32
with
38:33
me,
38:33
many
38:33
of
38:33
them
38:34
again
38:35
most
38:35
of
38:35
them
38:35
are
38:35
Miriam's
38:36
authors
38:37
either
38:37
thinking
38:37
of
38:38
writing
38:38
or
38:38
in
38:39
the
38:39
middle
38:39
or
38:39
newer
38:40
than
38:40
I
38:40
am.
38:41
And
38:41
so
38:41
it's
38:42
helpful
38:42
for
38:43
them
38:43
as
38:43
well
38:44
to
38:44
see
38:45
how
38:46
everything
38:47
progresses.
38:48
For
38:48
sure.
38:48
Yeah.
38:48
And
38:49
so
38:49
next
38:49
will
38:49
be
38:49
the
38:49
book
38:50
designer.
38:50
We'll
38:50
talk
38:51
about
38:51
that
38:51
or
38:51
in
38:52
the
38:52
previous
38:52
book
38:53
of
38:53
the
38:53
blog
38:54
items
38:55
was
38:56
what
38:56
to
38:57
look
38:57
for
38:57
when
38:57
you
38:58
are
38:58
looking
38:58
for
38:59
an
38:59
illustrator
39:01
styles
39:01
and
39:01
art
39:02
mediums
39:02
and
39:03
things
39:03
like
39:03
that.
39:03
It
39:04
depends
39:04
a
39:04
lot
39:04
on
39:05
the
39:05
what
39:06
the
39:06
emotion
39:06
of
39:06
the
39:07
book
39:07
is
39:07
that
39:07
you're
39:08
trying
39:08
to
39:08
communicate.
39:09
For
39:09
sure.
39:10
So
39:10
did
39:11
you
39:11
develop
39:12
your
39:12
website
39:13
before
39:13
or
39:14
after
39:14
you
39:14
launched
39:15
your
39:15
book?
39:16
Oh
39:16
no,
39:16
not
39:17
after.
39:18
It
39:18
was
39:18
before.
39:20
So
39:20
it
39:20
launched
39:21
in
39:21
October
39:22
of
39:22
last
39:23
year
39:23
so
39:23
we
39:23
were
39:24
working
39:24
on
39:24
it
39:24
in
39:25
the
39:25
summer.
39:26
Okay,
39:26
so
39:27
you
39:27
launched
39:27
it
39:27
just
39:28
before
39:28
your
39:28
actual
39:29
book
39:29
launch,
39:30
is
39:30
that
39:30
correct?
39:31
Yeah,
39:32
I
39:32
forget
39:32
now.
39:33
Exactly.
39:33
But
39:34
maybe
39:34
August,
39:35
something
39:35
like
39:35
that.
39:36
Okay.
39:36
Yeah.
39:36
Because
39:36
I'm
39:37
looking
39:37
at
39:37
your.
39:38
I'm
39:38
looking
39:38
at
39:38
your
39:39
website
39:39
now
39:39
and
39:40
and
39:41
it
39:41
looks
39:41
like
39:42
you
39:42
of
39:42
course
39:43
have
39:43
used
39:44
some
39:44
of
39:44
the
39:44
graphics
39:45
from
39:46
your
39:46
book.
39:47
Yeah.
39:48
And
39:48
also
39:48
I
39:49
like
39:49
your
39:49
sneak
39:49
preview
39:50
video.
39:50
That
39:51
was
39:51
fun.
39:52
It's
39:52
just
39:52
a
39:52
save
39:53
back
39:53
one.
39:53
Oh
39:54
nice,
39:54
nice.
39:54
And
39:55
like
39:55
you
39:55
said
39:55
it's
39:55
about
39:56
a
39:56
minute
39:56
so
39:56
it's.
39:57
But
39:57
it's
39:57
fun
39:57
that
39:57
you
39:58
did
39:58
that
39:58
so
39:59
that
39:59
people
40:00
can
40:00
have
40:00
some
40:01
get
40:01
a
40:01
sense
40:01
of
40:01
what
40:02
your
40:02
book's
40:02
all
40:02
about.
40:04
Are
40:04
you
40:05
going
40:05
to
40:05
make
40:05
any
40:06
significant
40:07
changes
40:07
to
40:08
your
40:08
website
40:08
when
40:08
you
40:09
launch
40:09
your
40:09
second
40:09
book?
40:11
So
40:11
right
40:11
now
40:11
it's
40:12
all
40:12
about
40:12
dog
40:13
first
40:14
homepage
40:15
is
40:15
just
40:15
my
40:15
two
40:16
dogs
40:16
and
40:16
some
40:17
I
40:17
will
40:18
definitely
40:19
have
40:19
to
40:19
change
40:19
that.
40:20
Maybe
40:20
it
40:20
would
40:20
be
40:21
new
40:21
coming
40:21
soon
40:22
or
40:22
something
40:23
and
40:23
then
40:23
the
40:23
dogs
40:24
will
40:24
be
40:24
relegated
40:25
to
40:25
their
40:25
own
40:26
kind
40:26
of
40:26
page.
40:27
The
40:27
first
40:28
and
40:28
then
40:29
so
40:29
I
40:29
haven't
40:29
released
40:31
it's
40:31
already
40:31
June
40:32
so
40:32
I
40:33
need
40:33
to
40:33
start
40:33
thinking
40:34
about
40:34
there
40:35
won't.
40:35
I
40:35
don't
40:36
think
40:36
there'll
40:36
be
40:36
significant
40:37
changes
40:37
but
40:38
I
40:38
still
40:38
need
40:38
to
40:39
get
40:39
the
40:39
landing
40:40
picture.
40:41
The
40:41
nice
40:41
thing
40:41
about
40:42
it
40:42
just
40:42
so
40:43
everyone
40:43
listening,
40:44
it's
40:44
FerryelsBooks.com
40:46
so
40:47
it's
40:47
the
40:47
Nice
40:48
thing
40:48
about
40:48
it,
40:49
it's
40:49
your
40:49
books.
40:50
So
40:51
how.
40:51
However
40:52
many
40:52
books
40:52
you
40:53
bring
40:53
to
40:53
the
40:53
market,
40:54
it's
40:54
under
40:55
your
40:55
name.
40:56
Okay.
40:56
I
40:56
just
40:57
tried
40:57
to
40:57
keep
40:57
it
40:57
simple.
40:58
And
40:59
so
40:59
anybody
40:59
who's.
41:00
Because
41:00
many
41:00
times
41:00
people
41:01
invent
41:01
a
41:02
different
41:02
name
41:02
for
41:03
their
41:03
like
41:04
Instagram
41:04
account
41:05
and
41:05
then
41:05
it's
41:05
very
41:06
hard
41:06
to
41:06
keep
41:06
it
41:06
straight
41:07
if
41:07
you're
41:07
just
41:08
looking
41:08
for
41:08
that
41:08
person.
41:09
So
41:10
I
41:10
just
41:10
tried
41:10
to
41:10
make
41:11
it
41:12
simple
41:12
enough.
41:13
And
41:13
my
41:13
name
41:13
is
41:13
in
41:14
the
41:14
US
41:14
at
41:15
least
41:15
it's
41:15
not
41:16
as
41:16
common.
41:17
Jane
41:18
Smith's
41:18
or
41:18
Jane's
41:19
books
41:19
might
41:19
be
41:20
a
41:20
bit
41:20
too
41:21
dull
41:22
or
41:22
whatever.
41:23
So
41:24
that's
41:24
why
41:24
I
41:25
used
41:25
that
41:25
to
41:26
make
41:26
it
41:26
easier
41:26
for
41:27
people
41:27
to
41:27
find
41:27
it
41:28
as
41:28
well.
41:29
Good
41:29
for
41:29
you.
41:30
I
41:30
know
41:30
in
41:30
your
41:31
first
41:31
book
41:31
the
41:31
dogs
41:32
were
41:32
your
41:32
motivation,
41:33
but
41:34
was
41:34
there
41:34
anything
41:35
else
41:35
that
41:35
motivated
41:36
you
41:37
to
41:37
write
41:37
the
41:37
children's
41:38
books
41:38
besides
41:39
the
41:39
dogs?
41:40
Were
41:40
your
41:40
sons
41:41
inspirational?
41:41
We
41:42
had
41:42
our
41:42
first
41:42
grandson
41:43
was
41:43
born
41:45
three
41:45
years
41:45
ago
41:46
and
41:47
I
41:47
just
41:47
thought
41:48
that
41:48
we
41:48
have.
41:49
And
41:49
he
41:49
was
41:50
overseas,
41:51
my
41:51
son
41:51
was
41:52
overseas
41:52
at
41:52
the
41:52
time,
41:53
so
41:53
we
41:53
couldn't
41:53
really
41:54
be
41:54
close
41:54
to
41:55
our
41:55
grandson.
41:56
And
41:56
we
41:56
made
41:57
a
41:57
big
41:57
change
41:57
a
41:58
while
41:58
ago.
41:58
We
41:59
used
41:59
to
41:59
actually
41:59
live
42:00
in
42:00
a
42:00
suburb
42:01
of
42:01
Chicago
42:02
and
42:02
just
42:03
the
42:03
rampant
42:03
growth
42:04
in
42:04
our
42:04
urbanization
42:05
was
42:05
just
42:06
too
42:06
much.
42:06
So
42:07
we
42:07
decided
42:09
to
42:09
make
42:10
a
42:10
change.
42:10
And
42:10
we
42:11
bought
42:11
this
42:11
old
42:12
farmhouse
42:12
in
42:12
a
42:13
small
42:13
rural
42:13
community
42:14
upstate
42:15
New
42:15
York
42:15
and
42:16
we
42:16
moved.
42:17
And
42:17
it's
42:18
been
42:18
great,
42:19
but
42:19
the
42:19
experiences
42:20
are
42:20
very
42:21
different.
42:22
I
42:22
have
42:22
many
42:23
things
42:23
I
42:23
do
42:24
want
42:24
to
42:24
write
42:24
about
42:25
over
42:25
time
42:25
and
42:25
I
42:26
thought
42:26
that'd
42:26
be
42:26
a
42:26
good
42:26
way
42:27
to
42:28
just
42:28
share
42:28
with
42:29
our
42:29
grandson
42:30
as
42:31
he
42:31
grows
42:31
up.
42:32
And
42:32
so
42:33
the
42:33
dogs
42:33
just
42:33
being
42:34
free
42:34
in
42:34
the
42:35
woods
42:35
because
42:36
I
42:36
have
42:36
done
42:36
some
42:36
book
42:37
readings
42:37
to
42:38
kids
42:38
in
42:38
like
42:39
city
42:39
schools.
42:40
Yes.
42:41
They
42:41
could
42:42
not
42:42
really
42:42
relate
42:43
to
42:43
the
42:44
book
42:45
because
42:45
they'd
42:45
not
42:46
ever
42:46
really
42:46
seen
42:46
a
42:47
big
42:47
pond
42:47
or
42:48
Canada
42:48
geese.
42:49
And
42:49
that
42:49
was
42:49
eye
42:49
opening
42:50
for
42:50
me
42:50
because
42:51
I
42:51
take
42:51
it
42:51
so
42:52
much
42:52
for
42:52
granted.
42:53
They
42:53
didn't
42:53
know
42:53
what
42:53
a
42:53
chickadee
42:54
sounded
42:54
like.
42:55
Okay.
42:56
Everything
42:57
was
42:57
new.
42:58
And
42:58
so
42:58
that
42:58
was
42:59
another
42:59
reason
43:00
why
43:00
I
43:00
thought
43:00
we're
43:01
just
43:01
picking
43:01
elderberries
43:02
to
43:02
make
43:03
jam
43:03
or
43:04
whatever.
43:04
So
43:05
there
43:05
are
43:05
different
43:05
ideas
43:06
that
43:06
are
43:06
more.
43:06
I
43:07
don't
43:07
write
43:07
fantasy
43:08
as
43:08
such.
43:09
I
43:09
want.
43:09
I'm
43:10
more
43:10
interested
43:10
in
43:11
writing
43:11
about
43:12
real
43:12
things
43:13
like
43:13
tapping
43:13
trees
43:14
to
43:14
make
43:14
maple
43:15
syrup,
43:16
those
43:16
kinds
43:16
of
43:17
things.
43:17
Because
43:17
again,
43:17
they
43:18
are
43:19
alien
43:19
to
43:20
most
43:20
kids
43:20
growing
43:21
up
43:21
now.
43:22
So
43:22
that
43:22
was
43:23
the
43:23
other
43:23
inspiration
43:24
to
43:24
just
43:24
write
43:25
even
43:25
if
43:25
I
43:26
don't
43:26
publish
43:26
everything.
43:27
But
43:27
to
43:27
have
43:27
those
43:28
stories
43:28
and
43:28
I
43:29
take
43:29
a
43:29
lot
43:29
of
43:29
photographs
43:30
as
43:30
well
43:31
to
43:31
just
43:31
document
43:32
our
43:33
kind
43:33
of
43:33
day
43:33
to
43:33
day
43:34
experiences
43:34
and
43:35
life
43:35
in
43:35
the
43:36
country.
43:37
That's
43:38
fantastic.
43:39
That's
43:39
It's.
43:40
I
43:40
loved
43:40
it.
43:40
I
43:40
love
43:41
hearing
43:41
that.
43:41
And
43:42
character
43:43
development.
43:43
I
43:44
just
43:44
want
43:44
to
43:44
talk
43:44
a
43:44
little
43:44
bit
43:45
about
43:45
because
43:46
I
43:47
think
43:47
you're
43:47
the
43:48
first
43:48
children's
43:49
book
43:49
author
43:49
that
43:50
I've
43:50
interviewed
43:51
that
43:51
actually
43:51
has
43:52
two
43:52
main
43:52
characters,
43:54
Charlie
43:54
and
43:54
Sophie.
43:55
Tell
43:55
us,
43:56
as
43:56
you
43:56
wrote
43:57
your
43:57
story
43:58
about
43:59
that
43:59
whole
44:00
dynamic,
44:01
how
44:01
did
44:01
that
44:02
work
44:02
for
44:02
you?
44:03
That
44:04
was
44:04
great
44:04
because
44:05
I
44:05
think
44:07
many
44:07
kids
44:08
do
44:08
have
44:08
siblings,
44:09
so
44:10
they
44:10
relate
44:11
to
44:11
that
44:11
kind
44:11
of
44:12
interaction.
44:14
And
44:14
it
44:15
was
44:15
actually
44:15
based
44:15
on
44:16
their
44:16
real
44:16
characters.
44:17
That's
44:17
how
44:17
they
44:18
were.
44:18
Sophie
44:19
was
44:19
the.
44:19
She's
44:19
definitely
44:20
the
44:20
alpha
44:20
girl.
44:21
She
44:21
would
44:21
pretend
44:22
to
44:22
be
44:22
very
44:22
low
44:23
key,
44:23
but
44:23
she's
44:24
the
44:24
one
44:24
who
44:24
he.
44:25
Charlie
44:26
would
44:26
always
44:26
just
44:27
run
44:27
out,
44:27
wanted
44:28
to
44:28
be
44:28
first
44:28
in
44:28
everything,
44:29
but
44:29
he'd
44:30
get
44:30
into
44:30
trouble
44:30
because
44:31
he
44:31
acted
44:31
before.
44:32
He
44:32
thought
44:32
about
44:32
things
44:33
constantly.
44:34
She
44:34
would
44:34
come
44:35
along
44:35
and
44:35
lead
44:36
him
44:36
back
44:36
to
44:37
the
44:37
straight
44:37
and
44:38
error,
44:39
find
44:39
solutions,
44:40
things
44:41
like
44:41
that.
44:41
It
44:42
was
44:42
just
44:42
interesting.
44:43
And
44:43
that's
44:43
why
44:43
there
44:43
was
44:43
a
44:43
lot
44:44
of
44:44
observation
44:44
that
44:45
went
44:45
on.
44:46
And
44:46
they
44:46
were
44:46
off
44:47
leash.
44:47
We
44:47
trained
44:48
them
44:48
to
44:48
be
44:48
off
44:48
leash.
44:49
Of
44:49
course,
44:49
when
44:50
they
44:50
were
44:50
young,
44:50
they
44:50
would
44:50
run
44:51
off
44:51
and
44:51
do
44:51
things.
44:52
Well,
44:52
I
44:53
love
44:53
that
44:53
dynamic
44:54
because
44:54
you
44:55
know
44:55
what
44:55
I
44:55
mean.
44:55
I
44:56
had
44:56
a
44:56
younger
44:56
brother,
44:57
and
44:58
my
44:58
wife
44:58
and
44:58
I
44:58
have
44:59
two
44:59
children.
44:59
My
45:00
daughter's
45:00
the
45:01
older
45:01
of
45:01
the
45:02
two,
45:02
but
45:02
they
45:03
were
45:03
fairly
45:03
close
45:03
in
45:04
age.
45:04
So
45:04
again,
45:05
that
45:05
whole
45:06
dynamic
45:06
of,
45:07
like
45:07
you
45:07
said,
45:08
brother
45:08
and
45:09
sister
45:09
or
45:09
siblings
45:10
and.
45:11
But
45:11
I
45:11
love
45:12
how
45:12
you
45:12
weaved
45:12
it
45:13
into
45:13
a
45:13
children's
45:14
book
45:14
story
45:15
because
45:15
like
45:15
I
45:15
said,
45:15
most
45:16
of
45:16
the
45:16
time
45:16
that
45:17
I've
45:17
talked
45:17
to
45:17
people,
45:18
they
45:18
generally
45:18
have
45:19
only
45:19
one
45:20
main
45:20
character.
45:21
And
45:21
it's
45:22
interesting
45:22
because
45:23
in
45:23
our
45:23
book,
45:24
our
45:24
first
45:24
book,
45:26
the
45:26
dynamic
45:27
is
45:27
actually
45:27
between
45:29
Caboose
45:30
and
45:30
her
45:30
grandfather,
45:32
which
45:32
is
45:33
the
45:33
dynamic
45:34
between
45:34
my
45:35
granddaughter
45:35
and
45:35
myself.
45:36
Pretty
45:36
cool.
45:37
Anyways,
45:37
thank
45:37
you
45:38
for
45:38
sharing
45:38
that
45:39
so
45:39
that
45:39
people
45:39
understand.
45:40
When
45:40
you're
45:41
doing
45:41
character
45:41
development,
45:42
think
45:43
about
45:43
how,
45:44
for
45:44
example,
45:45
siblings
45:45
can
45:46
play
45:46
off
45:46
each
45:46
other
45:47
because
45:47
they
45:47
have
45:47
different
45:48
traits.
45:49
And
45:50
as
45:50
you
45:50
mentioned,
45:51
Ferriel.
45:52
The
45:53
one's
45:54
more
45:54
calming
45:54
than
45:55
the
45:56
other
45:56
one
45:56
or
45:57
brings
45:57
that
45:58
dynamic,
45:58
but
45:58
one's
45:59
maybe
45:59
a
45:59
little
45:59
more
46:00
fun
46:00
and
46:00
brings
46:00
that
46:01
dynamic.
46:01
Oh,
46:02
yeah.
46:02
And
46:02
I've
46:02
always.
46:03
I
46:03
was
46:03
just
46:03
in.
46:04
It
46:04
just
46:04
came
46:05
naturally
46:05
to
46:05
me
46:06
because
46:06
again,
46:06
being
46:07
a
46:07
mom
46:07
and
46:07
just
46:08
watching
46:08
these
46:08
two
46:09
as
46:09
little
46:09
kids,
46:10
basically.
46:10
And
46:11
they
46:11
were.
46:13
Yeah.
46:13
So
46:13
they
46:14
just
46:14
have.
46:14
I
46:14
have
46:14
so
46:15
many
46:15
stories
46:15
about
46:15
them,
46:16
but
46:16
it's
46:16
very
46:17
interesting,
46:18
the
46:18
dynamics,
46:19
very
46:19
intelligent
46:20
dogs.
46:21
And
46:21
same
46:21
thing
46:21
with
46:21
my
46:22
second
46:22
story.
46:23
I
46:23
have
46:23
the
46:23
brother
46:24
and
46:24
then
46:25
his
46:25
little
46:25
sister
46:26
who
46:26
he's
46:27
in
46:27
the
46:27
wheelchair.
46:27
He's
46:28
creative,
46:28
dreamy,
46:29
quiet,
46:30
and
46:30
she's
46:30
just
46:30
full
46:30
of
46:31
energy.
46:31
I'm
46:32
all
46:32
over
46:33
and
46:33
she
46:33
wants
46:33
to
46:33
be
46:33
involved
46:34
in
46:34
everything.
46:35
All
46:35
that,
46:35
that's,
46:36
that's
46:36
fun.
46:36
And
46:37
again,
46:37
we
46:38
learned
46:38
through
46:39
Miriam's
46:40
courses
46:40
and
46:40
things
46:41
like
46:41
that
46:41
that
46:42
kids
46:42
like
46:43
to
46:43
read
46:44
about
46:44
other
46:44
kids
46:45
maybe
46:45
a
46:46
little
46:46
bit
46:46
older
46:46
than
46:47
them,
46:47
but
46:47
not
46:47
so
46:48
far
46:48
that
46:48
they
46:48
can't
46:49
relate.
46:50
And
46:50
if
46:50
there's
46:51
a
46:51
problem
46:51
or
46:52
a
46:52
challenge,
46:53
it's
46:53
good
46:53
for
46:54
them
46:54
to
46:55
see
46:55
that
46:55
the
46:55
child
46:56
or
46:56
the
46:56
protagonist
46:58
solves
46:58
it
46:59
themselves.
47:00
And
47:00
then
47:01
some
47:01
grown
47:01
up
47:02
or
47:02
somebody
47:02
else
47:02
shows
47:03
up,
47:03
fairy
47:03
godmother
47:04
and
47:04
kind
47:04
of
47:04
fixes
47:05
everything
47:06
because
47:06
that's
47:07
what
47:07
you
47:07
want
47:07
them
47:08
to
47:08
get
47:08
something
47:08
out
47:09
of
47:09
it
47:09
and
47:09
learn.
47:10
And
47:10
that's
47:11
why
47:11
I
47:11
have
47:11
the
47:12
two
47:12
siblings
47:12
in
47:13
my
47:13
other
47:13
book
47:14
as
47:14
well,
47:14
and
47:14
here
47:14
too.
47:15
That
47:15
boy
47:15
could
47:16
have
47:16
come
47:16
and
47:17
brought
47:17
them
47:17
home
47:17
when
47:17
the
47:18
dogs
47:18
got
47:18
lost,
47:19
but
47:19
instead
47:20
they
47:20
had
47:21
to
47:22
work
47:22
as
47:22
a
47:22
team,
47:23
learn
47:23
to
47:23
use
47:24
their
47:24
senses
47:25
to
47:26
figure
47:26
out
47:26
how
47:26
to
47:27
get
47:27
back
47:27
home.
47:27
So
47:28
would
47:28
you
47:28
say
47:28
that's
47:28
a
47:29
big
47:29
part
47:29
of
47:29
your
47:29
theme
47:30
in
47:30
the
47:30
book?
47:32
Yes.
47:32
The
47:33
overall
47:34
kind
47:34
of
47:34
message
47:34
is
47:35
that
47:35
everybody
47:35
makes
47:36
mistakes,
47:36
which
47:37
is
47:37
when
47:37
they
47:37
run
47:37
off
47:37
into
47:38
the
47:38
woods,
47:38
disobey,
47:39
and
47:39
then
47:39
there
47:40
are
47:40
consequences.
47:41
But
47:41
if
47:41
you
47:42
learn
47:42
from
47:43
your
47:43
mistakes,
47:44
then
47:44
they
47:45
can
47:45
become
47:45
stepping
47:46
stones
47:46
to
47:47
grow.
47:47
And
47:47
that's
47:48
where
47:48
the
47:48
story
47:48
arc
47:49
comes.
47:49
They
47:50
actually
47:50
learned
47:51
a
47:51
lesson.
47:52
They
47:53
had
47:53
to
47:53
work
47:53
together,
47:54
they
47:54
were
47:54
lost
47:55
to
47:55
try
47:55
to
47:56
use
47:56
their
47:56
senses,
47:57
to
47:57
find
47:57
their
47:57
way
47:58
home.
47:58
And
47:59
then
47:59
I
47:59
think
47:59
they
48:00
also
48:01
realized
48:02
more
48:03
of
48:03
the
48:03
value
48:04
of
48:04
being
48:04
home,
48:06
being
48:06
safe
48:07
like
48:07
that.
48:07
So
48:08
they
48:08
did
48:08
grow
48:09
from
48:09
their
48:09
escapade.
48:11
So
48:11
that's
48:12
the
48:12
central
48:12
teaching.
48:13
And
48:13
then
48:13
also
48:13
value
48:14
of
48:14
friendship
48:15
because
48:15
Pete
48:16
didn't
48:17
just
48:17
run
48:17
off
48:17
and
48:17
leave
48:18
him
48:18
to
48:18
fend
48:18
for
48:18
himself.
48:19
They
48:20
work
48:20
together
48:21
to
48:21
try
48:21
to
48:21
find
48:22
their
48:22
way
48:22
home.
48:23
And
48:24
also
48:24
in
48:24
the
48:24
beginning,
48:25
when
48:25
they're
48:25
exploring
48:26
the
48:26
woods,
48:26
it's
48:27
fun
48:27
with
48:27
two
48:28
the
48:28
value
48:28
of
48:29
friendship,
48:29
of
48:30
companionship.
48:31
So
48:31
that's.
48:32
Adventures
48:32
are
48:33
more
48:33
fun
48:33
when
48:33
shared
48:34
with.
48:34
You
48:35
working
48:35
on
48:35
your
48:35
second
48:36
book.
48:36
So
48:37
this
48:37
is
48:37
probably
48:38
fresh
48:39
and
48:39
guessing.
48:39
It's
48:39
fresh.
48:41
Tell
48:41
us
48:41
about
48:41
your
48:42
writing
48:42
process.
48:43
So
48:43
share
48:44
some
48:44
insights
48:45
into
48:46
how
48:46
you're.
48:46
The
48:47
nice
48:47
thing
48:47
about
48:47
it,
48:47
you've
48:48
already
48:48
shared
48:48
it
48:48
through
48:49
your
48:49
blog,
48:49
but
48:50
tell
48:50
the
48:50
listening
48:51
audience
48:52
your
48:52
writing
48:52
process
48:53
right
48:53
now
48:53
and
48:53
how
48:54
you're
48:54
developing
48:55
your
48:55
second
48:55
book.
48:58
So
48:58
first
48:59
I
48:59
would,
48:59
I
48:59
think
49:00
I
49:00
would
49:00
just.
49:00
So
49:01
was
49:01
that
49:01
spark
49:02
the
49:02
germ
49:02
of
49:03
an
49:03
idea
49:03
that
49:04
somebody
49:05
who's
49:05
so
49:05
earthbound
49:07
wants
49:08
to
49:08
feel
49:08
free,
49:09
wants
49:10
to
49:10
feel
49:10
light,
49:11
wants
49:12
to
49:12
be
49:12
not
49:13
stuck
49:13
to
49:14
the
49:14
earth?
49:15
Yes.
49:15
And
49:15
so
49:15
you
49:15
just.
49:16
Just
49:17
taking
49:17
notes,
49:18
writing
49:19
just
49:19
whatever
49:19
comes
49:20
into
49:20
my
49:20
mind
49:21
about
49:21
what
49:21
that
49:21
is.
49:22
When
49:22
you
49:23
start
49:23
just
49:23
writing
49:24
a
49:24
story
49:25
and
49:25
he's
49:26
stuck,
49:26
so
49:26
he
49:27
lives
49:27
in
49:27
an
49:27
apartment
49:28
building.
49:28
So
49:29
it's
49:29
visuals,
49:30
it's
49:30
feelings.
49:30
So
49:30
he's
49:31
in
49:31
a
49:31
small
49:31
apartment
49:32
way
49:32
up
49:32
in
49:32
the.
49:33
He
49:33
has
49:33
to
49:33
go
49:33
down
49:34
in
49:34
an
49:34
elevator.
49:34
These
49:35
are
49:35
all
49:35
in
49:35
my.
49:36
So
49:36
you
49:36
develop
49:37
your
49:37
character,
49:39
figure
49:39
out
49:39
what
49:40
he
49:40
or
49:40
she
49:40
is,
49:41
what
49:41
they
49:41
feel,
49:42
what
49:42
you
49:42
know,
49:43
how
49:43
their
49:43
day
49:44
is
49:44
going,
49:44
things
49:45
like
49:45
that.
49:45
You
49:46
get
49:47
into
49:47
the
49:47
mind
49:48
of
49:48
your
49:48
character
49:50
and
49:50
then
49:50
slowly
49:51
you
49:51
start
49:51
thinking
49:52
like
49:52
them.
49:53
And
49:53
then
49:54
he's
49:54
got
49:54
a
49:54
nice
49:55
picture
49:55
window
49:55
in
49:56
his
49:56
bedroom.
49:56
He
49:57
looks.
49:57
He's
49:58
always
49:58
looking
49:58
at
49:58
clouds
49:59
that
49:59
are
49:59
moving.
50:00
There's
50:00
burn.
50:01
So
50:01
it's
50:02
air,
50:02
it's
50:02
flight,
50:03
those
50:04
things.
50:04
And
50:04
he
50:04
just
50:04
wishes
50:05
that
50:05
he
50:06
could
50:06
fly.
50:07
And
50:07
then
50:08
they
50:08
go
50:08
on
50:08
vacation
50:09
and
50:09
he
50:10
comes
50:10
up
50:10
with
50:10
an
50:10
idea.
50:11
And
50:12
so
50:12
then
50:12
just
50:12
thinking,
50:13
what
50:13
are
50:14
some
50:14
of
50:14
the
50:14
ways
50:14
he
50:15
could
50:15
do
50:15
that?
50:15
Something
50:16
simple
50:16
enough
50:17
that
50:17
a
50:17
child
50:18
can
50:18
manage.
50:19
Of
50:19
course,
50:20
maybe
50:20
he
50:20
could
50:20
become
50:20
a
50:21
pilot
50:21
when
50:21
he's
50:21
older.
50:22
But
50:22
he
50:22
wants
50:23
something
50:23
now.
50:24
Yes.
50:24
Okay.
50:25
And
50:25
a
50:25
lot
50:26
of
50:26
it
50:26
is
50:26
driven
50:26
from
50:27
my
50:27
personal
50:27
experiences
50:28
because
50:29
all
50:29
three
50:29
of
50:29
my
50:29
kids,
50:30
boys
50:30
were
50:31
scouts.
50:31
So
50:31
we
50:32
did
50:32
a
50:32
lot
50:32
of
50:32
pinewood
50:33
derbies
50:33
and
50:33
kite
50:34
derbies
50:34
and
50:34
regattas,
50:35
all
50:35
those
50:35
things,
50:36
hands
50:36
on
50:37
kind
50:37
of
50:38
stuff.
50:38
And
50:38
so
50:38
then
50:39
we
50:39
come
50:39
up
50:39
with
50:40
ideas
50:40
like
50:41
that
50:41
and
50:41
then.
50:41
And
50:42
are
50:42
you
50:42
doing
50:42
any
50:43
additional
50:43
research
50:44
behind
50:45
the
50:45
story
50:45
or
50:46
are
50:46
you
50:46
just
50:47
drawing
50:47
on
50:47
your
50:47
personal
50:48
experience?
50:49
No,
50:49
there
50:50
was
50:50
lots
50:50
of
50:51
research,
50:51
so
50:52
I'll
50:52
give
50:52
it
50:53
away.
50:53
So
50:53
he
50:54
builds
50:54
a
50:54
kite
50:55
with
50:55
the
50:55
help
50:56
of
50:56
his
50:56
sister,
50:57
and
50:57
then
50:58
they
50:58
learn
50:58
to
50:58
fly
50:59
it.
50:59
And
50:59
they've
50:59
gone
50:59
to
51:00
the
51:00
beach,
51:00
they've
51:01
rented
51:01
a
51:01
cottage
51:01
for
51:02
spring
51:02
break
51:02
and
51:02
there's
51:03
always
51:04
breezes.
51:04
So
51:04
a
51:05
lot
51:05
of
51:05
research
51:05
about
51:06
how
51:06
best
51:06
to
51:06
make
51:07
a
51:07
kite,
51:08
what
51:08
it
51:08
takes
51:08
to
51:08
fly
51:09
it,
51:09
what
51:10
things
51:10
can
51:10
go
51:10
wrong
51:11
and
51:12
those
51:12
things.
51:12
Yes.
51:13
And
51:13
just
51:14
generally
51:14
there
51:15
are
51:15
a
51:16
couple
51:16
of
51:16
pages
51:16
in
51:16
the
51:17
back
51:17
about
51:18
kites
51:18
and
51:19
how
51:19
they
51:19
were.
51:19
Not
51:20
a
51:20
lot.
51:20
Some
51:20
of
51:21
the
51:21
ways
51:21
they've
51:21
been
51:21
used
51:22
for
51:23
weather,
51:23
for
51:24
sending
51:25
secret
51:25
messages,
51:26
things
51:26
like
51:26
that.
51:26
It's
51:27
a
51:27
little
51:27
bit
51:27
more
51:27
about
51:28
just
51:28
kites
51:29
in
51:29
the
51:29
world
51:30
we
51:30
had
51:30
talked.
51:30
About
51:31
at
51:32
the
51:32
beginning.
51:32
We
51:32
started
51:33
talking
51:33
about
51:34
a
51:34
book
51:34
business
51:35
plan.
51:35
But
51:35
I'd
51:36
like
51:36
to
51:36
delve
51:36
a
51:37
bit
51:37
deeper
51:37
into.
51:39
Not
51:40
so
51:40
much
51:40
the
51:40
business
51:41
side
51:41
of
51:41
it,
51:41
but
51:42
when
51:43
you
51:43
started
51:43
out,
51:44
how
51:44
did
51:44
you
51:45
envision
51:45
your
51:45
success?
51:47
How
51:47
did
51:47
you
51:48
see
51:48
the
51:48
success
51:49
for
51:49
your
51:49
book?
51:50
Can
51:51
you
51:51
tell
51:51
us
51:51
that?
51:52
I'm
51:53
at
51:53
this
51:53
stage
51:54
of
51:54
my
51:54
life
51:54
that
51:55
I
51:55
wasn't
51:55
thinking
51:56
of
51:56
becoming
51:56
a
51:56
millionaire,
51:58
quit
51:58
writing
51:58
or
51:59
selling
51:59
my
51:59
book.
52:00
That
52:00
was
52:00
not
52:00
the
52:01
point.
52:01
Right.
52:01
So
52:02
not
52:02
for
52:02
fame
52:02
and
52:03
fortune.
52:03
No,
52:04
certainly
52:04
not
52:05
for
52:05
fortune.
52:06
Okay,
52:06
so
52:07
we'll
52:07
throw
52:07
in
52:07
the
52:08
fame.
52:08
Yeah.
52:09
Mid
52:11
somebody
52:11
did
52:11
ask
52:12
me.
52:12
One
52:12
of
52:12
these
52:12
kids
52:13
is
52:13
just
52:13
so
52:13
funny
52:14
in
52:14
school.
52:14
They're
52:15
just
52:15
little.
52:15
And
52:15
somebody
52:16
said,
52:17
are
52:17
you
52:17
rich?
52:21
Second
52:21
grader.
52:22
So
52:22
they
52:23
part
52:23
this
52:23
big
52:24
author
52:24
standing
52:25
here,
52:25
she's
52:25
got
52:26
a
52:26
book.
52:26
She
52:26
must
52:26
be
52:27
rich.
52:27
Anyway,
52:28
it's
52:29
a
52:29
very
52:29
philosophical
52:30
answer
52:30
with
52:30
a
52:30
gay
52:31
thing.
52:31
I've
52:31
heard
52:32
that
52:32
story
52:32
before
52:33
from
52:33
what
52:33
I
52:33
was
52:33
telling
52:33
you
52:34
about
52:34
Darcy,
52:35
who
52:35
wrote
52:35
the
52:35
helicopter
52:36
books,
52:37
and
52:37
he
52:38
had
52:38
the
52:38
same
52:38
thing.
52:39
That's
52:40
the
52:40
first
52:40
thing
52:40
the
52:40
kids
52:41
said
52:41
to
52:41
him.
52:41
Are
52:42
you
52:42
a
52:42
millionaire?
52:46
At
52:46
least
52:47
rich
52:47
can
52:48
come
52:48
in
52:48
different
52:48
forms.
52:49
I
52:49
said,
52:50
absolutely.
52:51
I've
52:51
got
52:51
two
52:51
dogs.
52:52
I
52:52
go
52:53
out
52:53
and
52:53
walk
52:53
every
52:54
day,
52:54
have
52:54
fresh
52:55
air.
52:55
So,
52:55
yeah,
52:56
them
52:56
rich.
52:58
Sorry
52:59
I
52:59
pulled
52:59
you
52:59
off
52:59
track
53:00
there.
53:00
So
53:01
sorry.
53:01
Coming
53:01
back
53:02
to
53:02
your
53:02
book,
53:02
so
53:02
what
53:03
success
53:03
mean
53:04
to
53:04
you
53:04
for
53:05
your
53:05
book?
53:07
Being
53:07
able
53:08
to
53:08
bring
53:08
my
53:09
story
53:09
to
53:10
people,
53:11
to
53:11
in
53:12
and
53:12
just
53:12
engaging.
53:14
So
53:14
when
53:14
I
53:14
go,
53:14
whether
53:15
read
53:15
to
53:15
somebody
53:16
at
53:16
the
53:16
library,
53:17
whether
53:17
it's
53:17
adults
53:18
that
53:18
are
53:18
interested
53:19
in
53:19
my
53:19
whole
53:20
process
53:20
in
53:20
my
53:21
book
53:21
or
53:21
kids
53:21
in
53:22
school,
53:22
whatever,
53:23
if
53:24
I
53:24
can
53:24
engage
53:25
them,
53:26
get
53:26
them
53:26
to
53:27
open
53:27
up
53:27
about
53:28
their
53:28
own
53:28
dogs
53:29
or
53:29
about
53:29
their
53:29
woods
53:30
near
53:30
my
53:30
grandpa,
53:31
that
53:31
they
53:32
have
53:32
geese,
53:33
anything
53:33
that
53:34
can
53:34
spark
53:34
their
53:35
own
53:36
curiosity
53:37
and
53:37
interest
53:37
in
53:38
either.
53:38
Anything
53:39
to
53:39
do
53:39
with
53:39
the
53:40
story,
53:41
the
53:41
characters,
53:42
the
53:43
environment
53:43
that
53:43
I'm
53:44
depicting
53:44
in
53:45
the
53:45
book,
53:45
or
53:46
my
53:46
own
53:47
journey
53:47
writing,
53:48
I
53:48
think
53:48
that
53:49
makes
53:50
me
53:50
feel
53:50
successful
53:51
because
53:51
it's
53:52
something
53:52
that
53:52
I.
53:53
This
53:53
is
53:53
all
53:54
new.
53:54
This
53:54
is
53:54
my
53:55
first
53:55
book.
53:56
So
53:56
all
53:56
of
53:56
these
53:57
school
53:57
visits
53:58
as
53:58
an
53:58
author,
53:59
not
53:59
just
53:59
as
53:59
a
54:00
parent,
54:00
volunteering
54:01
in
54:01
schools
54:02
and
54:02
talking
54:03
to
54:03
kids
54:03
about
54:04
this
54:04
story
54:05
that's
54:05
based
54:06
on
54:06
something
54:07
real
54:07
that
54:07
happened
54:08
and
54:08
engaging
54:09
them
54:10
and
54:10
then
54:10
and
54:10
saying,
54:11
anybody.
54:11
I'm
54:12
sure
54:12
you
54:12
have
54:12
written
54:12
stories,
54:13
so
54:13
go
54:14
in
54:14
and
54:14
illustrate
54:15
and
54:15
write
54:15
it
54:16
and
54:16
get
54:16
them
54:17
interested
54:17
in
54:18
doing
54:18
that.
54:18
I
54:18
think
54:19
that's
54:19
what
54:20
success
54:20
has
54:21
been
54:21
for
54:21
me.
54:22
I'm
54:22
really
54:22
enjoying
54:23
that
54:24
aspect.
54:24
Oh,
54:25
good
54:25
for
54:25
you.
54:26
I
54:26
had
54:26
the
54:26
great
54:26
fortune
54:27
of
54:27
going
54:27
to
54:27
my
54:28
youngest
54:28
grandson's
54:29
school
54:29
and
54:30
reading
54:30
to
54:30
his
54:31
class,
54:32
and
54:32
they
54:33
were
54:33
a
54:33
little
54:33
bit
54:33
older
54:34
than
54:34
our
54:34
demographic
54:35
for
54:35
a
54:36
book.
54:36
And
54:36
so
54:37
I
54:37
made
54:37
it
54:37
into
54:38
more
54:38
of
54:38
that
54:38
whole
54:39
process
54:39
that
54:39
you
54:40
were
54:40
talking
54:40
about
54:41
in
54:41
how
54:41
to
54:42
write
54:42
and
54:43
illustrate
54:43
a
54:44
book.
54:44
I
54:44
couldn't
54:44
believe
54:45
how
54:45
many
54:45
questions
54:46
I
54:46
got
54:46
from
54:48
all
54:48
the
54:49
students.
54:49
It
54:49
was
54:49
amazing
54:50
and
54:50
it
54:50
was
54:50
a
54:50
good
54:51
feeling,
54:51
for
54:51
sure.
54:52
Yep.
54:53
So
54:53
that's
54:53
what
54:53
I
54:54
think
54:54
success
54:55
is.
54:56
The
54:56
role
54:56
of
54:56
writing
54:57
now
54:57
in
54:57
your
54:57
life.
54:58
Tell
54:58
us
54:58
about
54:59
in
54:59
the
54:59
grand
55:00
scheme
55:00
of
55:00
things.
55:00
Now
55:01
in
55:01
your
55:01
life.
55:01
Because
55:02
now
55:02
you're
55:02
a
55:02
published
55:03
book
55:03
author,
55:04
you're
55:04
about
55:04
to
55:05
launch
55:05
your
55:05
second
55:06
book.
55:06
Tell
55:07
us
55:07
about
55:08
children's
55:09
book
55:09
authorship
55:10
in
55:10
the
55:10
grand
55:11
scheme
55:11
of
55:11
your
55:11
life.
55:12
Now
55:14
so
55:14
I
55:14
have
55:14
a
55:14
notebook
55:15
and
55:15
I've
55:16
been
55:16
keeping
55:16
ideas
55:17
because
55:17
once
55:18
walking
55:19
the
55:19
dogs
55:19
in
55:19
the
55:20
woods
55:20
is
55:20
great.
55:21
Ideas
55:22
just
55:22
come
55:22
out
55:23
of
55:23
nowhere,
55:23
right.
55:24
And
55:24
so
55:25
I
55:25
just
55:25
note
55:25
them
55:26
down.
55:26
And
55:26
so
55:27
when
55:28
this
55:28
is
55:28
all
55:29
almost
55:30
done,
55:31
so
55:31
it's
55:31
time.
55:32
And
55:32
I
55:32
am
55:32
part
55:32
of
55:32
some
55:33
of
55:33
these
55:33
writing
55:34
children's
55:34
books
55:35
groups
55:35
and
55:35
things
55:36
like
55:36
that.
55:36
So
55:36
they're
55:37
always
55:37
doing
55:37
editing
55:38
or
55:38
looking
55:39
at
55:39
what
55:39
you
55:39
have
55:40
next.
55:40
So
55:40
that
55:40
kind
55:40
of
55:41
pushes
55:41
me.
55:42
So
55:42
I've
55:42
written
55:43
my
55:43
third,
55:44
just
55:44
a
55:44
manuscript
55:45
and
55:45
then
55:45
I
55:45
submit
55:46
it
55:46
and
55:46
we
55:46
talk
55:47
about
55:47
it.
55:47
Then
55:47
I
55:48
go
55:48
and
55:48
rewrite
55:49
and
55:49
edit.
55:50
Just
55:51
keep
55:52
a
55:52
note.
55:53
Notes
55:53
about
55:54
different
55:54
ideas.
55:56
When
55:56
it's
55:56
time
55:57
for
55:58
you,
55:58
you
55:58
feel
55:58
right
55:59
about
55:59
actually
56:00
writing
56:00
the
56:00
whole
56:01
story,
56:01
filling
56:01
in
56:02
your
56:02
idea
56:03
and
56:03
bringing
56:03
to
56:03
life,
56:04
then
56:04
just
56:05
go
56:05
ahead
56:05
and
56:05
start.
56:06
It's
56:06
interesting
56:07
you
56:07
should
56:07
say
56:07
that.
56:08
Thank
56:08
you
56:08
for
56:08
sharing
56:09
that.
56:09
Because
56:10
when
56:10
my
56:11
granddaughter
56:11
and
56:12
I,
56:13
she
56:13
was
56:14
probably
56:14
six
56:14
or
56:15
seven
56:15
when
56:15
we
56:15
started
56:15
writing
56:16
our
56:16
first
56:16
adventure
56:18
and
56:18
we
56:18
wrote
56:18
our
56:18
first
56:19
story
56:19
and
56:19
then
56:20
what
56:20
happened
56:21
was
56:22
we
56:22
ended
56:22
up,
56:23
we
56:23
had
56:23
all
56:24
these
56:24
ideas,
56:25
so
56:25
we
56:25
ended
56:25
up
56:26
actually
56:27
writing
56:27
instead
56:28
of
56:28
writing
56:28
the
56:29
next
56:29
book.
56:29
We
56:30
wrote
56:30
ideas
56:31
for
56:31
about
56:31
30
56:32
more
56:32
books.
56:33
Like
56:34
we
56:34
came
56:34
up
56:34
with
56:34
the
56:35
title
56:35
and
56:35
what
56:35
they
56:36
would
56:36
be
56:36
about
56:37
in
56:37
a
56:37
notebook.
56:38
We
56:38
went
56:38
and
56:38
bought
56:39
a
56:39
special
56:39
notebook,
56:40
which
56:40
I
56:40
still
56:40
have
56:41
to
56:41
this
56:41
day,
56:42
filled
56:42
with
56:42
all
56:43
those
56:43
original
56:43
thoughts.
56:44
So
56:44
the
56:45
process
56:45
that
56:45
you're
56:46
talking
56:46
about,
56:46
very
56:47
similar
56:47
and
56:47
that's
56:48
why
56:48
I
56:48
wanted
56:48
to
56:48
share
56:48
it
56:49
with
56:49
the
56:49
listening
56:50
audience
56:50
is,
56:51
you
56:51
know
56:51
what,
56:52
have
56:52
that
56:52
notebook
56:53
or
56:53
use
56:54
your
56:55
smartphone
56:55
or
56:56
whatever
56:56
and
56:56
don't
56:57
let
56:57
the
56:57
idea
56:57
run
56:58
away
56:58
on
56:58
you.
56:59
Get
56:59
it
56:59
down
56:59
right
57:00
away
57:00
and
57:01
you
57:01
never
57:01
know
57:01
where
57:02
it
57:02
ends
57:02
up
57:02
going.
57:03
Very
57:03
true.
57:04
Or
57:04
you
57:04
may
57:04
just
57:04
lose
57:05
it.
57:05
And
57:05
so
57:06
if
57:06
it
57:07
struck
57:07
you
57:07
as
57:07
an
57:07
interesting
57:08
idea
57:09
for
57:09
a
57:09
story,
57:09
write
57:10
it
57:10
down.
57:10
You
57:10
may
57:10
not
57:10
never
57:11
go
57:11
to
57:11
it
57:11
again,
57:12
but
57:12
it's
57:12
there
57:13
because
57:13
something
57:13
else
57:14
may
57:14
spark
57:14
it.
57:14
And
57:15
suddenly
57:15
it's
57:15
time.
57:16
It's
57:16
time
57:16
for
57:16
that
57:17
idea.
57:17
Absolutely.
57:19
So
57:19
picking
57:19
up
57:19
on
57:20
that,
57:20
what
57:20
kind
57:21
of
57:21
advice
57:22
do
57:22
you
57:22
have
57:22
for
57:23
aspiring
57:24
children's
57:24
book
57:25
authors?
57:27
When
57:27
I
57:27
wrote
57:28
my
57:28
book,
57:28
I
57:29
had,
57:29
of
57:29
course,
57:29
a
57:29
lot
57:30
of
57:30
self
57:30
doubts,
57:30
I
57:31
would
57:31
think.
57:31
There's
57:32
so
57:32
many
57:32
books
57:32
about
57:33
dogs.
57:34
Who
57:34
would
57:34
want
57:35
to
57:35
read
57:35
yet
57:35
another
57:36
book
57:36
about
57:37
dogs?
57:38
And
57:38
then
57:39
I
57:39
thought,
57:40
it's
57:41
my
57:41
story,
57:43
my
57:44
experience,
57:45
which
57:45
no
57:45
one
57:46
else
57:46
has
57:46
had.
57:47
And
57:48
it's
57:49
my
57:49
voice.
57:50
So
57:50
whatever.
57:51
Don't
57:51
second
57:52
guess
57:52
because
57:53
your
57:53
voice
57:54
is
57:54
unique,
57:55
your
57:55
story
57:55
is
57:56
unique.
57:57
Write
57:57
it
57:57
down.
57:58
Because
57:58
yeah,
57:59
just
57:59
like
57:59
for
57:59
you,
58:00
many
58:00
books
58:00
have
58:00
been
58:01
written
58:01
about
58:01
the
58:01
Rocky
58:02
Mountains,
58:02
but
58:02
what
58:02
you
58:03
are
58:03
writing,
58:03
it's
58:04
your
58:04
experience.
58:05
Absolutely.
58:05
Your
58:06
grandchild.
58:07
And
58:07
why
58:08
not?
58:08
It'll
58:09
strike
58:09
a
58:09
chord
58:10
somewhere
58:11
and
58:11
I
58:12
don't
58:12
know.
58:12
So
58:12
I
58:12
think
58:13
that's
58:13
yes,
58:14
it's
58:14
courageous
58:15
to
58:15
put
58:15
pen
58:16
to
58:16
paper
58:17
and
58:18
write
58:19
things
58:19
and
58:19
then
58:19
think,
58:20
okay,
58:20
other
58:20
people
58:21
are
58:21
going
58:21
to
58:21
read
58:21
it.
58:22
So
58:22
it's
58:23
scary.
58:24
But
58:24
you
58:24
know
58:25
what?
58:25
This
58:26
is
58:26
the
58:26
time
58:27
and
58:27
it's
58:27
never,
58:28
there'll
58:29
never
58:29
be
58:29
a
58:29
perfect
58:29
time
58:30
where
58:31
all
58:31
the
58:31
stars
58:31
are
58:32
aligned
58:32
just
58:32
right
58:33
and
58:33
time
58:34
passes.
58:34
So
58:34
just
58:35
go
58:35
ahead,
58:36
start
58:36
writing,
58:37
edit,
58:38
re
58:38
edit
58:39
and
58:40
you're
58:40
on
58:40
your
58:40
way.
58:41
I
58:41
couldn't
58:42
agree
58:42
with
58:42
you
58:42
more.
58:42
Thank
58:43
you
58:43
for
58:43
that
58:43
and
58:44
encouragement
58:45
for
58:45
readers.
58:45
So
58:46
why
58:46
should
58:46
children's
58:47
book
58:47
readers
58:48
purchase
58:48
your
58:49
book?
58:51
It's
58:51
an
58:52
interesting
58:53
story.
58:53
Like
58:53
you
58:53
said,
58:54
it
58:54
touches
58:55
on
58:56
sibling
58:56
relationships.
58:58
It's
58:58
also
58:58
about
58:59
two
58:59
little
59:00
dogs
59:00
that
59:00
were
59:01
adopted
59:02
from
59:03
a
59:03
rescue
59:05
and
59:05
were
59:05
able
59:06
to
59:06
thrive
59:07
in
59:08
a
59:08
life
59:08
that
59:09
maybe
59:09
they
59:10
might
59:10
not
59:11
have
59:11
had
59:11
otherwise.
59:12
They
59:12
were
59:13
in
59:13
little
59:13
cages
59:14
and
59:14
then
59:14
they
59:14
were
59:15
given
59:15
up
59:15
and
59:16
Sophie
59:16
still
59:17
has
59:17
issues,
59:17
abandonment
59:18
issues
59:18
and
59:19
things.
59:20
But
59:21
reading
59:21
it
59:21
and
59:22
I
59:22
did
59:22
dedicate
59:23
it
59:23
to
59:23
our
59:23
border
59:24
collie
59:24
rescue.
59:25
So
59:26
to
59:26
see
59:26
that
59:28
anybody
59:29
can
59:29
get
59:30
a
59:30
second
59:30
chance
59:31
and
59:32
these
59:32
dogs
59:33
did
59:33
and
59:34
they
59:34
thrived
59:35
and
59:36
they
59:36
could
59:36
live
59:36
their
59:37
full
59:37
life
59:38
and
59:38
just
59:38
to
59:38
see
59:39
this
59:39
was
59:39
just
59:39
one
59:40
adventure
59:40
that
59:40
they
59:41
had
59:41
together
59:42
in
59:42
the
59:42
woods.
59:43
Free.
59:45
Thank
59:45
you
59:45
for
59:45
sharing
59:46
that.
59:46
And
59:46
your
59:47
books
59:47
can
59:47
be
59:47
purchased
59:48
through
59:48
your
59:49
website.
59:49
Amazon.
59:50
Can
59:50
you
59:50
go
59:51
and
59:51
click
59:51
through
59:52
to
59:52
Amazon
59:53
on
59:53
your
59:53
website?
59:54
Yes.
59:55
I
59:55
just
59:55
want
59:55
you.
59:56
Yeah,
59:56
so
59:56
I
59:56
just
59:56
want
59:56
people
59:57
to
59:57
understand
59:57
that
59:58
you
59:58
click
59:58
on
59:58
the
59:58
link
59:59
that'll
59:59
take
59:59
you
59:59
to
59:59
Amazon
1:00:02
or
1:00:02
you
1:00:02
can
1:00:03
go
1:00:03
directly
1:00:03
to
1:00:04
Amazon.
1:00:04
And
1:00:05
you
1:00:05
know
1:00:05
what
1:00:06
everyone,
1:00:06
we
1:00:06
will
1:00:07
put
1:00:07
the
1:00:07
links
1:00:07
in
1:00:07
the
1:00:08
show
1:00:08
notes
1:00:09
so
1:00:09
that
1:00:09
it'll
1:00:10
be
1:00:10
easy
1:00:10
for
1:00:11
you
1:00:11
to
1:00:11
get
1:00:11
Ferry
1:00:12
Elle's
1:00:12
book
1:00:12
and
1:00:13
hear
1:00:13
about
1:00:13
her.
1:00:14
I'd
1:00:14
encourage
1:00:15
you
1:00:15
to
1:00:15
go
1:00:15
to
1:00:15
her
1:00:15
website
1:00:16
and
1:00:16
read
1:00:16
her
1:00:16
blog
1:00:17
to
1:00:17
get
1:00:18
inspiration
1:00:18
on
1:00:19
how
1:00:19
to
1:00:20
go
1:00:20
about
1:00:21
writing
1:00:22
a
1:00:22
children's
1:00:22
book
1:00:23
because
1:00:23
it's,
1:00:23
it's
1:00:24
all
1:00:24
there
1:00:24
in
1:00:24
her
1:00:24
blog.
1:00:26
Final
1:00:26
Thoughts
1:00:27
Ferial,
1:00:28
is
1:00:28
there
1:00:28
anything
1:00:28
that
1:00:29
you
1:00:29
said.
1:00:30
I
1:00:30
wish
1:00:30
Rick
1:00:30
would
1:00:31
have
1:00:31
asked
1:00:31
me
1:00:31
that.
1:00:31
Is
1:00:31
there
1:00:32
anything
1:00:32
you'd
1:00:32
like
1:00:32
to
1:00:33
share
1:00:33
that
1:00:34
with
1:00:34
our
1:00:35
audience?
1:00:37
Being
1:00:38
a
1:00:38
new
1:00:38
author
1:00:39
is
1:00:39
scary
1:00:40
because
1:00:40
you
1:00:41
are
1:00:41
just
1:00:41
you
1:00:42
and
1:00:42
your
1:00:42
book
1:00:42
out
1:00:43
in
1:00:43
the
1:00:43
big
1:00:43
world.
1:00:44
So
1:00:45
the
1:00:45
more
1:00:45
you
1:00:46
connect
1:00:46
with
1:00:47
other
1:00:48
newer
1:00:48
authors
1:00:49
and
1:00:49
that's
1:00:49
where
1:00:49
I
1:00:50
think
1:00:50
Facebook
1:00:50
and
1:00:51
Instagram
1:00:52
has
1:00:52
been
1:00:52
very
1:00:52
helpful
1:00:53
because
1:00:53
I
1:00:53
do
1:00:53
live
1:00:54
in
1:00:54
a
1:00:54
small
1:00:54
community
1:00:55
so
1:00:55
I
1:00:55
don't
1:00:56
have
1:00:56
other
1:00:57
children's
1:00:58
book
1:00:58
authors
1:00:59
near
1:00:59
me.
1:01:00
But
1:01:00
we're
1:01:00
all
1:01:00
in
1:01:00
the
1:01:01
same
1:01:01
boat.
1:01:01
We're
1:01:02
trying
1:01:02
to
1:01:02
get
1:01:03
attention
1:01:03
for
1:01:04
our
1:01:04
book
1:01:05
and
1:01:05
just
1:01:05
helping
1:01:06
each
1:01:06
other.
1:01:06
So
1:01:07
create
1:01:07
that
1:01:07
community
1:01:08
of
1:01:08
like
1:01:08
minded
1:01:09
people
1:01:09
who
1:01:10
are,
1:01:11
who
1:01:11
care
1:01:11
about
1:01:11
reading
1:01:12
who
1:01:12
care
1:01:12
about
1:01:12
literacy,
1:01:13
who
1:01:13
care
1:01:14
about
1:01:14
bringing
1:01:14
good
1:01:15
books
1:01:15
to
1:01:15
children,
1:01:16
and
1:01:16
encouraging
1:01:17
the
1:01:17
love
1:01:17
of
1:01:17
reading
1:01:18
is
1:01:18
important.
1:01:19
And
1:01:19
I
1:01:20
just,
1:01:20
I
1:01:21
think
1:01:21
that's
1:01:21
something
1:01:21
that
1:01:22
I
1:01:22
do
1:01:22
want
1:01:22
to
1:01:23
emphasize,
1:01:23
that
1:01:23
it
1:01:24
takes
1:01:24
a
1:01:24
whole
1:01:24
community
1:01:25
to,
1:01:26
to
1:01:26
encourage
1:01:27
each
1:01:27
other.
1:01:28
And
1:01:28
the
1:01:28
more
1:01:29
we
1:01:29
do
1:01:29
that,
1:01:29
I
1:01:29
think
1:01:30
we
1:01:30
all
1:01:30
rise.
1:01:31
And
1:01:32
I
1:01:32
couldn't
1:01:32
agree
1:01:32
with
1:01:33
you
1:01:33
more
1:01:33
because
1:01:33
it's
1:01:34
amazing.
1:01:35
With
1:01:35
all
1:01:35
of
1:01:36
the
1:01:36
children's
1:01:36
book
1:01:37
authors
1:01:37
that
1:01:37
I've
1:01:38
interviewed,
1:01:38
many
1:01:39
of
1:01:39
them
1:01:39
have
1:01:40
introduced
1:01:40
me
1:01:40
to
1:01:41
other
1:01:41
children's
1:01:42
book
1:01:42
authors.
1:01:43
And
1:01:43
so
1:01:43
they're
1:01:43
all
1:01:44
helping
1:01:44
each
1:01:44
other
1:01:45
promote
1:01:46
each
1:01:46
other's
1:01:46
books.
1:01:47
That's
1:01:47
an
1:01:47
incredible,
1:01:48
very
1:01:49
giving
1:01:50
community.
1:01:51
It's
1:01:51
a
1:01:51
great
1:01:51
community.
1:01:53
Yes.
1:01:53
We
1:01:53
need
1:01:53
that.
1:01:54
Absolutely.
1:01:55
So
1:01:56
thank
1:01:56
you
1:01:56
so
1:01:56
much,
1:01:56
Feriel,
1:01:57
for
1:01:57
being
1:01:57
a
1:01:58
guest
1:01:58
on
1:01:58
the
1:01:59
Adventures
1:01:59
in
1:01:59
the
1:01:59
Heart,
1:02:00
a
1:02:00
children's
1:02:00
book
1:02:01
authors
1:02:01
podcast.
1:02:02
Your
1:02:03
generosity
1:02:04
of
1:02:04
time
1:02:04
and
1:02:05
insights
1:02:06
will
1:02:06
significantly
1:02:07
benefit
1:02:08
aspiring
1:02:09
authors
1:02:10
and
1:02:10
readers.
1:02:11
We
1:02:11
promised
1:02:12
to
1:02:12
provide
1:02:12
our
1:02:13
audience
1:02:13
with
1:02:13
Ferriel's
1:02:15
website
1:02:15
link
1:02:16
and
1:02:16
other
1:02:17
social
1:02:17
media
1:02:17
links.
1:02:18
And
1:02:18
if
1:02:19
you've
1:02:19
enjoyed
1:02:19
the
1:02:20
episode,
1:02:20
please
1:02:21
hit
1:02:21
the
1:02:21
subscribe
1:02:22
button
1:02:23
to
1:02:23
listen
1:02:23
to
1:02:24
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1:02:24
future
1:02:24
episodes.
1:02:25
And
1:02:26
feel
1:02:26
free
1:02:26
to
1:02:27
share
1:02:27
the
1:02:27
episode
1:02:28
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1:02:28
anyone
1:02:29
who
1:02:29
you
1:02:29
feel
1:02:30
will
1:02:30
be
1:02:30
inspired
1:02:31
or
1:02:31
enjoys
1:02:32
hearing
1:02:32
about
1:02:33
Ferrielle
1:02:33
and
1:02:34
her
1:02:34
children's
1:02:35
book,
1:02:35
Charlie
1:02:36
and
1:02:36
Sophie's
1:02:36
Great
1:02:37
Escape.
1:02:38
Thank
1:02:39
you.
1:02:40
Thank
1:02:40
you,
1:02:40
Rick.
1:02:41
I
1:02:41
really
1:02:41
appreciate
1:02:42
this
1:02:42
opportunity.