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The Late Debate | 4 December · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: L welcome the late base. Sixty four Actually so I
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Speaker 1: am marginally younger than you, Paul, though, Freyer, what did
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Speaker 1: you come at?
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Speaker 2: Mine was sixty eight?
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Speaker 1: There you go, we found the oldest so far. I'll
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Speaker 1: have a bit more to say about that soon. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to the program. I'm Caleb Bond with Jamie Rodgers and
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Speaker 1: Freyer Leach. He is what's coming up tonight? Could jet
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Speaker 1: skis be banned from Melbourne beaches? A Melbourne council thinks
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Speaker 1: they should be, and it's off to the state government
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Speaker 1: to ask that something is done about it. Room no more.
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Speaker 1: We talked last night about AI music. Paul just showed
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Speaker 1: you what you can do with AI, But what about
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Speaker 1: AI sport? Could it ever truly replace the real thing?
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Speaker 1: We'll discuss that later, not if it's anything like that.
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Speaker 1: I have to say, and Spotify, as we were just saying,
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Speaker 1: has put out its yearly wrap of what you've been
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Speaker 1: listening to. We will reveal our most listened to songs
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Speaker 1: later in the show, and thankfully they are not AI generated.
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Speaker 1: But first big scandal last night at the Waverley Council's
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Speaker 1: Christmas party. I know you're thinking, I mean to counsel
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Speaker 1: Christmas party. How much of a scandal could there possibly be? Well,
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Speaker 1: do I have a story for you. It was a
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Speaker 1: slap up affair. They had all sorts there. They were
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Speaker 1: prawns and salmon, they were getting into beef chicken, They
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Speaker 1: had salads and according to the Daily Telegraph helpfully some
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Speaker 1: of them had green sauces and garnishes on them. And
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Speaker 1: this is where the trouble began because Councilor Paula Marcelos,
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Speaker 1: who is herself a former mayor of Waverley Council. You
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Speaker 1: can see her there, happy looking fellow that she is,
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Speaker 1: took offense to some of this food, specifically the salmon,
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Speaker 1: apparently because she thought there was coriander on the top
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Speaker 1: of it and she's not having a bar of coriander.
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Speaker 1: She says that she is allergic to coriander, and so
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Speaker 1: she voices her displeasure and says, what the hell's you
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Speaker 1: and on air, I can't eat the coriander? Why would
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Speaker 1: you put it on top of the salmon? And she
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Speaker 1: was told that it wasn't coriander. Well, apparently she didn't
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Speaker 1: quite take to that either. According to the Daily Telegraph,
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Speaker 1: she spoke to the general manager Emily Scott about this,
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Speaker 1: and the Telegraph says it is understood that Miss Scott
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Speaker 1: offered to speak with the chef who turned up with
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Speaker 1: a tub of leaves. One witness said she was in
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Speaker 1: her sixties and sorry, here we go. She was in
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Speaker 1: her sixties and came in with a tub of leaves
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Speaker 1: that she had used to show it wasn't coriander, that
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Speaker 1: is the chef. Someone tasted the leaves to say it
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Speaker 1: wasn't coriander, but Miss Miscelos was not happy with that
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Speaker 1: and said her taste buds told her it was coriander.
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Speaker 1: The witness said. Fellow labor counselor and Deputy Mayor Kerry
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Speaker 1: Spooner attempted to de escalate the situation by suggesting her
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Speaker 1: council colleague could try the prawns, a comment that allegedly
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Speaker 1: further enraged Miss Miscelos, who could be her saying f
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Speaker 1: off before storming out of the room. Interesting. Apparently it
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Speaker 1: was Jimmy jury on top of the salmon, which is
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Speaker 1: a sort of a Mexican sauce. It's not coriander. But
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Speaker 1: as for this prawn business, The Telegraph also reports quote
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Speaker 1: Kerrie was dshelling the prawns when she said, and this
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Speaker 1: is via one of their sauces, you can always eat
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Speaker 1: the prawns, and Ms Miscelos said if off. When approached
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Speaker 1: by The Daily Telegraph, Miss Spooner declined to comment beyond
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Speaker 1: declaring the prawns were delicious, not that Ms Miscelos ever
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Speaker 1: found out. There you go spitting the dummy over coriander.
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Speaker 1: That wasn't coriander telling people to f off? Arguing with
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Speaker 1: the chef at the council Christmas party.
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Speaker 3: I know, isn't this just a hilarious story. You can
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Speaker 3: just sum up a really bad day by that counselor.
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Speaker 3: You must have had a horrendous day and was just
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Speaker 3: at her tipping point to lose it over something like coriander.
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Speaker 3: And when you think about that poor chef having to
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Speaker 3: come out with a tub of leaves to try and
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Speaker 3: convince this woman that you aren't eating coriander, you're eating
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Speaker 3: something else. But when I was reading this story, I
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Speaker 3: had to agree with that other count. So they're in,
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Speaker 3: just eat the praws, just eat something else. You don't
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Speaker 3: have to eat the salmon. Or can she just not
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Speaker 3: wipe the coriander or the supposed coriander off the salmon.
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Speaker 3: That is so terrible, And what sort of allergies do
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Speaker 3: you have? What's a response if you have coriander, if
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Speaker 3: you're allergic to it?
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Speaker 4: This is just I mean, if you live in Waverley,
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Speaker 4: I'm so sorry because these are your council rates at work.
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Speaker 4: One in this Christmas party, which okay, maybe they can
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Speaker 4: have a Christmas party, but the fact that the former
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Speaker 4: there is throwing a hissy fit over coriander ouch.
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Speaker 2: But apparently well. Coriander, as we know, is one of.
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Speaker 4: The most controversial foods out there, and it's because around
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Speaker 4: twenty percent of the population has a gene Ola factor
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Speaker 4: receptory A two six A two that makes it for
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Speaker 4: them tastes like soap or bug spray, and it's it's
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Speaker 4: a response to the compound in coriander. But for people
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Speaker 4: who have this gene, to them, it doesn't taste good
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Speaker 4: at all. It tastes horrendous. But I don't know, I mean,
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Speaker 4: I think if she's being honest, that's probably what she has.
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Speaker 4: I've never heard of a coriander allergy, but it is
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Speaker 4: a highly controversial food.
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Speaker 5: It is, But it's just the behavior I know Christmas.
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Speaker 1: Great payer funded Christmas party that you think this? I mean,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't Coriander. The chief says it wasn't Coriander. The
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Speaker 1: other people in the room who spoke to the Daily
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Speaker 1: Telegraph say it wasn't Coriander. So why she was so
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Speaker 1: insistent it was Coriander. I don't know. Maybe she'd had
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Speaker 1: a fight with the husband and you know, assuming she
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Speaker 1: has one, and decided that, you know, she was going
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Speaker 1: to take it out on someone else. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what was going on with her that day, but seemingly
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Speaker 1: nothing particularly good. But you just eat something else. I mean,
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Speaker 1: we've all been to parties and there is something served
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Speaker 1: that you don't like.
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Speaker 2: We've different.
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Speaker 1: There you go, dad, So would you go to a
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Speaker 1: party and say, oh, how do you serve up? Eat
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Speaker 1: mess for dessert? You should have thought about me and
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Speaker 1: give it like forget you have you got the fruit?
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Speaker 5: I had the fruit on You just don't have it anything.
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Speaker 3: You just decide and you just move on, because then
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Speaker 3: all the think about all those other people that were
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Speaker 3: impacted that night, Think about that poor chef home feeling terrible,
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Speaker 3: ruined her night as well, and all the other people watching,
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Speaker 3: And then It was just funny because this counselor Paula
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Speaker 3: was then saying people are trying to politicize the situation. Well,
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Speaker 3: I think there were enough witnesses there to be able
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Speaker 3: to say that that was the behavior that was accurately
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Speaker 3: liberalizing Coriander.
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Speaker 1: I've never heard of that.
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Speaker 2: It was just absurd.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, labor councils, it's called social skills, take note. But
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Speaker 4: let's go down to Melbourne now where poor Philip council
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Speaker 4: has just voted to ban jet skis from coming within
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Speaker 4: two hundred meters of the shoreline. Now, they claim this
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Speaker 4: is to protect penguins and also swimmers. They're now going
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Speaker 4: to go to the state government and petition for more
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Speaker 4: police officers to patrol the.
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Speaker 2: Beach and enforce the ban.
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Speaker 4: Now, normally when a council says they're going to put
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Speaker 4: regulations on things, especially things that are fun, I tend
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Speaker 4: not to like it. But I will say jet skis
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Speaker 4: might be the one exception to that rule. They are
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Speaker 4: allowed for some reason. The people on jet skis tend
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Speaker 4: to be wound who take pleasure in disrupting the beach
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Speaker 4: for everyone else.
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Speaker 2: They tend to go.
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Speaker 4: With speeds way higher than the limit, and it seemingly
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Speaker 4: appears that there is very little enforcement of any of
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Speaker 4: the rules. So I would say until jet ski riders
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Speaker 4: can prove their responsible drivers of these vehicles, they should
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Speaker 4: not be allowed anywhere near swimmers.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's give you a little taste of what seems
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Speaker 1: to have been annoying Port Philip Council so much.
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Speaker 6: I'm here at this and killda peer where Port Philip
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Speaker 6: Council wants to bans all jet skis from coming within
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Speaker 6: two hundred meters off the beach. Just in the last
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Speaker 6: fifteen minutes of me being here, multiple jet skis have
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Speaker 6: come within meters of where swimmers have been jumping off
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Speaker 6: the pier.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so you get rid of the jet skis. And
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Speaker 1: you know, notwithstanding that there are some idiots on jet skis,
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Speaker 1: no doubt about that, and they chop up the water
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Speaker 1: and whatever else. They look like a lot of fun though,
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Speaker 1: I have to say, but see you ban the jet skis.
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Speaker 1: People also misbehaving cars? So do we ban cars from
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Speaker 1: going within two hundred meters of certain places? Don't go
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Speaker 1: near playgrounds and running to kids.
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Speaker 4: If you if you misbehave in a car, you'll get
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Speaker 4: your license taken away, you'll facebook, what.
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Speaker 1: Do you think happens on the water?
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Speaker 4: Well, do get fine the water fign three hundred and
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Speaker 4: thirty dollars.
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Speaker 1: The water police another one, and you'll have to have
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Speaker 1: to ban noisy cars, check all the exhaust, no noisy
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Speaker 1: V eight's gone. You don't read your car. It's not nice.
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Speaker 1: People don't like it. I look, I understand that people
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Speaker 1: can misbehave on a jet ski, but you can misbehave
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Speaker 1: in a hundred other ways and a hundred other things
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Speaker 1: that are noisy as well. You start with the jet skis,
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Speaker 1: next thing, we'll all be having to drive a quiet
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Speaker 1: little nano hybrid.
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Speaker 5: Look, I am.
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Speaker 3: Actually on the same side as Freyer for this discussion.
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Speaker 2: I love jet skis.
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Speaker 3: I think they are so much fun, and I will
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Speaker 3: always be out there in the summer on a jet ski.
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Speaker 3: But I like the idea of them just being a
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Speaker 3: little bit further away from the swimmers. I think, if
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Speaker 3: they're going to be doing the doughnuts and zooming across,
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Speaker 3: just be a little bit further.
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Speaker 1: Out from So how do you get it in the water?
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Speaker 3: So okay, so'll they'll take it out properly and then
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Speaker 3: you slowly go out and then when you can start
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Speaker 3: hooning is about two hundred meters off the shore, and
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Speaker 3: then when you're ready to come back in, you just
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Speaker 3: slow down and then you'll be able to.
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Speaker 1: So okay. So why instead of saying it's banned within
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Speaker 1: two hundred meter changing it, why not just have a
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Speaker 1: speed limit, just say it's five notch or.
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Speaker 3: Something exactly, because me, no, you would there's no regulations.
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Speaker 3: And I think this is something that is a problem
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Speaker 3: with the jet scheme makers, and I was just looking
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Speaker 3: into some of the statistics around jet skis because they
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Speaker 3: actually have a license is extremely expensive in places like
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Speaker 3: New South Wales and Victoria Northern Territory. You don't need
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Speaker 3: to pay licensing fees, but just other rules, and that
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Speaker 3: alone is making it's thirty five percent reduction in sales
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Speaker 3: on jet ski since twenty twenty two because people have
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Speaker 3: just said it's just way too expensive, and they're actually
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Speaker 3: blaming jet ski manufacturers for not doing enough with local
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Speaker 3: councils or policymakers within government and actually go and try
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Speaker 3: and change things like exactly to your point, put a
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Speaker 3: speed limit that's out there that people then have to
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Speaker 3: adhere to.
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Speaker 5: Or if it's going to be two.
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Speaker 3: Hundred meters off, sure, but actually get out there and
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Speaker 3: start having those discussions so that things like a blanket
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Speaker 3: ban is not just imposed because people that know the
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Speaker 3: product and know the machines aren't the ones that are
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Speaker 3: involved helping to formulate the policy. I think the problem
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Speaker 3: is most I shouldn't say most, many people that I've
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Speaker 3: observed who recreationally drive jet skis do it because they
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Speaker 3: want to hoo, they want to disrupt the piece, they
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Speaker 3: want to do the donuts. They want to send people
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Speaker 3: running for their lives, and I am sick of it.
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Speaker 5: That's very dramatic.
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Speaker 4: I was dead, not a beat and this happened, and
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Speaker 4: it was just that was the moment where I said,
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Speaker 4: no longer can we tolerate these Oh no, no, I
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Speaker 4: don't think that we want to have a complete ban
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Speaker 4: of the jet skis. So I just think they should
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Speaker 4: be a little bit further out. You should be able
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Speaker 4: to a lot of We just have jetsated beaches.
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Speaker 5: Nowhere else, way too congested.
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Speaker 1: Send them down to the beach, send them down to
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Speaker 1: the newest beaches. See how.
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Speaker 3: No, I think we just want to have a certain
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Speaker 3: area out the back two meters off. Well, here's an
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Speaker 3: interesting story for pet lovers. A pet cemetery is in
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Speaker 3: the works at the cost of twenty thousand dollars. This
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Speaker 3: will be on a remote property. But the owners, they're
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Speaker 3: saying this is a great place to bury your four
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Speaker 3: legged pets, because not everyone wants to have their pets
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Speaker 3: in an urn or buried at a home where they
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Speaker 3: then might move. So this is a property in badog
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Speaker 3: Burn and it has been lodged with the local council.
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Speaker 2: It's about five.
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Speaker 3: Hundred and fifty meters off the road and it's got
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Speaker 3: lovely slopes.
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Speaker 5: It's near a river.
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Speaker 4: But they have said it's going to help with vegetation
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Speaker 4: and it's not going to do.
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Speaker 3: Any harm to the environment. I think this is a
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Speaker 3: huge waste of money. I love my dog. I have
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Speaker 3: the most beautiful little Minigrudle, but there is no way
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Speaker 3: that I would be putting her into a pet cemetery.
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Speaker 3: But the thing out of this story that caught my
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Speaker 3: attention the most was the fact that they have cameras there,
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Speaker 3: so of course for protection, but more so in case
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Speaker 3: you want to be able to peer in.
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Speaker 5: And look at it online.
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Speaker 4: Just check in on your pet in the cemetery online
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Speaker 4: and I just thought it.
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Speaker 3: Just feels a little bit strange. But look, I know
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Speaker 3: people love their animals and that they want to potentially
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Speaker 3: be buried with them, as they have spoken about in Victoria.
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Speaker 5: I just think it's a I don't know, it's.
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Speaker 2: Not for me.
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Speaker 1: No, I don't see the issue with it. You know,
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Speaker 1: people treat their pets like their family. They love them
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Speaker 1: like their family, and so you can understand why they
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Speaker 1: might want to give them a burial like they would
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Speaker 1: a member of the family. But also unless you cremate them,
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Speaker 1: if you are a renter, you actually don't have much
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Speaker 1: of an option otherwise of what to do with a
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Speaker 1: dead pet. I mean, you know you can flash your
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Speaker 1: goldfish down the toilet. Can't do that were your cat,
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Speaker 1: So you've got to do something. So if you don't
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Speaker 1: cremate the cat, it's got to be buried somewhere, and
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Speaker 1: if someone if you're willing to pay to put it
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Speaker 1: in a semmetry. I've got no doubt that this will
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Speaker 1: sell and the council could well make money out of
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Speaker 1: doing it.
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Speaker 2: It's popular overseas, it's worked it up. The thing that
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Speaker 2: I don't understand about this.
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Speaker 4: I think this might just be a money grab because
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Speaker 4: you have to actually cremate the animal to put it
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Speaker 4: in this pet cemetery, so they're not actually doing pet burials.
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Speaker 4: What it is is basically they'll cremate your animal, then
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Speaker 4: you put it in like an urn essentially, and it
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Speaker 4: just sits above ground. So it's really just a storage
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Speaker 4: place for ERNs. It's not burial plots.
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Speaker 5: So why wouldn't you just keep that urn at your house?
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Speaker 2: Exactly weird?
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Speaker 3: I don't understand if you're wanting to avoid bearing it
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Speaker 3: in your backyard and then you might move to a
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Speaker 3: different house. But the fact that you do have to
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Speaker 3: cremate them anyway, and then you leave the urn at
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Speaker 3: this property wouldn't need to be got off.
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Speaker 5: Leaving, but you know, you're carried along to wherever you
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Speaker 5: move to.
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Speaker 2: It might be nice for some people.
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Speaker 4: I know, when my family dog died, you do have
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Speaker 4: this question of what do you actually do with the dog.
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Speaker 2: So maybe this is a nice closure for people.
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, if my parents' place ever gets
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Speaker 1: knocked over and redeveloped or something, when they dig up
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Speaker 1: the back garden, we're going to find some bones. Down there. Geez,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many cats we put away over
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Speaker 1: the years down there since I was a kid. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: if I'm trying to think, how many Molly and Tilly
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Speaker 1: and Mitchie in a few actually, anyway, you'll find them
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Speaker 1: down the bottom of the garden with the fairies. One
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Speaker 1: place you won't get a garden to go down and
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Speaker 1: have a look at the fairies, though, of course, is
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Speaker 1: if you are living in an apartment building. And an
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Speaker 1: interesting story today in the Daily Telegraph about the rise
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Speaker 1: boom boom of apartment living for retirees. So instead of
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Speaker 1: you know, your sort of typical idea of what a
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Speaker 1: retirement village is, which is, you know, low level unit
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Speaker 1: kind of situation, increasingly developers are going for the big
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Speaker 1: retirement village. Companies are going for apartment buildings that are
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Speaker 1: closer to town. Obviously you can pack more people in them.
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Speaker 1: They've got more things in them because you've got the
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Speaker 1: space to do it. If you go up and I
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Speaker 1: see my old mate Daniel Gannon, who these days runs
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Speaker 1: the Retirement Living Council, how I Gannon hope you will
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Speaker 1: mate talking about this and saying that eighty percent of
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Speaker 1: the developments that have been coming up recently for retirement
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Speaker 1: villages are apartment buildings as opposed to what you typically
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Speaker 1: think of as a retirement village, and I can understand
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Speaker 1: why some people would want to do it. There's one
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Speaker 1: in Adelaide right in the middle of the CBD. Unfortunately
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Speaker 1: they knock down Mourn Church in order to build it,
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Speaker 1: which I think was an absolute disgrace because that was
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Speaker 1: a beautiful piece of architecture. People in Adelaide will know
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Speaker 1: what I am talking about. But they put up this great,
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Speaker 1: big retirement village and I thought what a strange idea
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Speaker 1: that was when they started doing it about ten years ago.
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Speaker 1: But it kind of makes sense. I mean, if you
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Speaker 1: want to lock up and leave, if you don't want
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Speaker 1: to look after a garden, you've got the central market
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Speaker 1: in Adelaide right there. Of course, you can get a
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Speaker 1: bus or train to absolutely anywhere. It's twenty minutes at
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Speaker 1: the airport. It actually kind of makes sense. The thing
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Speaker 1: I am scared though about, is that if this becomes
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Speaker 1: the only option, that you then force people who don't
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Speaker 1: want to live into apartments, who don't have the cash
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Speaker 1: to live in a big house anymore, to essentially go
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Speaker 1: and live in an apartment. I think you've got to
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Speaker 1: have both, but I understand why it might work.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, definitely, And I think a big thing as
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Speaker 4: well for retirees is they want to be near their family.
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Speaker 4: Their grandkids are people who can come and visit them
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Speaker 4: and look after them.
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Speaker 2: And the reality is where.
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Speaker 4: Most people live near the cities, real estate is very
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Speaker 4: very expensive, especially real estate where you have care and
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Speaker 4: help and facilities to assist with your living. So I
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Speaker 4: think this makes sense. And I think you know, you
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Speaker 4: think about elderly people. They generally don't want stairs anyway,
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Speaker 4: So a high rise makes total sense because it can
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Speaker 4: be totally flat. If you need to change levels, will
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Speaker 4: you just take the lift again, no maintenance. You can
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Speaker 4: build in all the facilities that you would have in
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Speaker 4: a traditional flat retirement village just vertically.
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Speaker 2: And hey, if.
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Speaker 4: Young families with kids are living in apartment buildings, why
18:27
Speaker 4: can't retirees. This seems to be the new normal for
18:29
Speaker 4: a lot of people in Australia.
18:31
Speaker 3: Now well, yeah, I mean the concept of retirement living
18:34
Speaker 3: is certainly changing, and I think the retirement village that
18:37
Speaker 3: just recently opened up in Epping in Sydney, they had
18:41
Speaker 3: three seniors in their sixties who abseiled down the twenty
18:45
Speaker 3: eight story retirement building to be able to show some
18:48
Speaker 3: of the activities that they can have on offer at
18:50
Speaker 3: places like this versus those single story options of what
18:53
Speaker 3: was the traditional retirement village.
18:55
Speaker 5: Of what we're all used to seeing.
18:57
Speaker 3: But I guess to your point, k Lib, it's exactly
18:59
Speaker 3: the fact that you want to I'm sure that that's
19:00
Speaker 3: actually what they want to do and that suits their lifestyle.
19:03
Speaker 3: I think it's a great idea, but I'm not ready
19:05
Speaker 3: to retire, so I think it sounds great. The fact
19:08
Speaker 3: that there's low maintenance, and when you read through some
19:10
Speaker 3: of the facilities that are on these sites and.
19:12
Speaker 5: What they're able to do.
19:13
Speaker 3: They still got to keep that community feel and there's
19:16
Speaker 3: movie cinemas in there and pools and just lots of
19:19
Speaker 3: really great activities to be able to keep everyone engaged
19:22
Speaker 3: and doing things within their life.
19:24
Speaker 5: But as long as they're happy to do that, and
19:27
Speaker 5: they're not.
19:27
Speaker 4: Being forced into a situation that they don't want to be,
19:30
Speaker 4: and if they'd rather be living in their big house
19:32
Speaker 4: that their grandchildren can stay there, then hopefully they're not
19:34
Speaker 4: pressured to be able to.
19:35
Speaker 1: Move out it. I must say I was amused by
19:37
Speaker 1: some of the euphemisms that were used in the story
19:40
Speaker 1: and the Telegraph today because they're referring to it as
19:43
Speaker 1: vertical living otherwise known as building to you and me,
19:48
Speaker 1: and vertical retirements. Look, I sure hope that in retirement
19:53
Speaker 1: I am vertical and not horizontal unless it's horizontal for
19:57
Speaker 1: a good reason. But you know, I mean, we all
19:58
Speaker 1: aspyt retirement, don't we.
20:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, exactly right, And I think that'll be the
20:04
Speaker 4: main thing psychologically. Can people live in retirement in a
20:07
Speaker 4: high rise?
20:07
Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's see, but let's move on now.
20:10
Speaker 4: But staying on that theme of housing and real estate,
20:15
Speaker 4: in October, the Albanezy government universalized five percent deposits for
20:22
Speaker 4: first home buyers. At the time, economists or anyone with
20:26
Speaker 4: half a brain warned that if you let all of
20:29
Speaker 4: these first home buyers uncapped no income limit up to
20:33
Speaker 4: quite a high property value, if you just let them
20:36
Speaker 4: use a five percent deposit, you're going to see a
20:39
Speaker 4: rash of people into the market, and it's going to
20:41
Speaker 4: push prices up further. Of course, those warnings were ignored,
20:46
Speaker 4: but now the data is coming in and it's very
20:49
Speaker 4: clear that our worst fears have occurred. They the real
20:54
Speaker 4: estate groups have seen a fourteen percent increase in first
20:58
Speaker 4: home buyer activity. And this is the kicker, a seventy
21:02
Speaker 4: percent increase versus last year in the number of loans
21:08
Speaker 4: going to first home buyers between the value of seven
21:11
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty k and a million dollars, which is
21:14
Speaker 4: that first home buyer range. And this was the problem
21:19
Speaker 4: the whole time. This scheme of allowing people to get
21:23
Speaker 4: in with a lower deposit seems fine if it only
21:27
Speaker 4: applies to a limited number of people. But once you
21:31
Speaker 4: say everyone can do it, you're not changing any of
21:35
Speaker 4: the fundamentals of the market. You're not building more houses,
21:39
Speaker 4: you're not cutting immigration and cutting demand. In fact, you're
21:43
Speaker 4: adding to demand because everyone's going, oh well, now I
21:46
Speaker 4: can buy a house.
21:47
Speaker 2: As well and low and behold.
21:49
Speaker 4: House prices are now up one point one percent just
21:54
Speaker 4: in the month of October. So think about that over
21:57
Speaker 4: the year, that's a twelve percent rise in prices. This
22:00
Speaker 4: is only making the problem worse, Jamie.
22:03
Speaker 1: And that showed interapt That is the biggest monthly rise
22:07
Speaker 1: in two and a half years.
22:08
Speaker 3: Yes, and the interesting thing is within that article as well,
22:11
Speaker 3: as it did say that a lot of first home
22:12
Speaker 3: buyers were rushing to go and purchase a property out
22:16
Speaker 3: of fear that prices would increase.
22:18
Speaker 5: And what you said already, Freyer, is.
22:20
Speaker 3: That analysts launch over and over again that this policy
22:23
Speaker 3: would result in higher house prices because we're not addressing
22:26
Speaker 3: the core problem here, and that is supply, we're not
22:29
Speaker 3: doing anything. I know, we are trying to build homes
22:32
Speaker 3: by twenty twenty nine, but that's very slow.
22:34
Speaker 5: We can't keep up with the demand.
22:36
Speaker 3: And now with this influx the first home buyers, you've
22:38
Speaker 3: read all the SATs there, it's going to be a
22:40
Speaker 3: problem that's going to get significantly worse. And especially that
22:43
Speaker 3: removal of the income limits too has also created more
22:47
Speaker 3: people and more opportunities for those to better go and
22:50
Speaker 3: buy their first property, and also taking on these riskier
22:53
Speaker 3: loans for the banks as well is ultimately down the
22:56
Speaker 3: track could also cause another problem, especially if we went
22:58
Speaker 3: into a recession or something like that and the banks
23:00
Speaker 3: are then stuck with these risk You owns.
23:02
Speaker 1: Correct, there's no one's actually talking about housing affordability because
23:06
Speaker 1: housing affordability is a difficult discussion to have because you
23:10
Speaker 1: kind of need to have the talk with people about, well,
23:13
Speaker 1: maybe the value of some of your properties is going
23:15
Speaker 1: to go down in the process of doing this, because
23:18
Speaker 1: there's only two ways really to fix that. Well, I mean,
23:22
Speaker 1: there are three ways you can fix it. One is
23:25
Speaker 1: through monetary policy and lending policy, which means you have
23:29
Speaker 1: to be really harsh on giving money to people, which
23:33
Speaker 1: will in the short term make it extremely difficult to
23:36
Speaker 1: get into the market, which will hurt people, but in
23:39
Speaker 1: the long term should reduce the price of property because
23:43
Speaker 1: there are fewer people swimming around in the market. The
23:45
Speaker 1: only problem with that is that when you turn the
23:46
Speaker 1: tap back on, well, you start going back up again.
23:50
Speaker 1: The other thing you can do is just build lots
23:52
Speaker 1: and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots
23:54
Speaker 1: and lots of houses. But we just simply can't do that.
23:57
Speaker 1: There's too much red tape, we don't have the people,
23:59
Speaker 1: the the bits and pieces that you need to make
24:01
Speaker 1: a house are too expensive to feasibly do that, so
24:06
Speaker 1: we don't have that option. And the other option is
24:09
Speaker 1: to significantly decrease the population, and of course we're not
24:13
Speaker 1: doing that. We're increasing the population quite significantly with migration.
24:18
Speaker 1: So there is no real answer to housing affordability apart
24:23
Speaker 1: from saying we'll just flex the rules a little bit
24:27
Speaker 1: so that you can allegedly find it easier to get
24:30
Speaker 1: into the market. But you're not. I mean, it's all
24:33
Speaker 1: good and well for the person who first gets in
24:35
Speaker 1: on the scheme because they get first bite when the
24:39
Speaker 1: property is cheaper, but when the scheme fulfills its logical
24:43
Speaker 1: conclusion and the prices go up, as we now see
24:46
Speaker 1: the largest monthly increase in house prices in two and
24:50
Speaker 1: a half years, will you were just pulling the ladder
24:53
Speaker 1: out from the people who are trying to come up
24:54
Speaker 1: from the bottom. Again you're back to some zero.
24:57
Speaker 3: But then also interest rates, that's you're going to go
25:00
Speaker 3: up or at least not going to come down anytime soon.
25:03
Speaker 3: So that allowed further pressure on those that have taken
25:05
Speaker 3: out these really big mortgages in hoping and being able
25:07
Speaker 3: to get these properties. Well, we always talk about AI,
25:11
Speaker 3: and recently the government did give a grant to a
25:14
Speaker 3: university to see if an AI and robot could do
25:16
Speaker 3: believable comedy. Well, now the questions posed is could AI
25:21
Speaker 3: replace athletes?
25:23
Speaker 5: Take a look at this soccer match.
25:30
Speaker 1: I mind will wait for that.
25:31
Speaker 5: Well that will come. So here we go.
25:34
Speaker 4: This is an AI robots playing football, and it just
25:40
Speaker 4: poses the question.
25:41
Speaker 5: I just laugh when I watch their little feet going along.
25:44
Speaker 2: I've got stretches.
25:45
Speaker 3: But it's one thing that you know, when you talk
25:47
Speaker 3: about AI potentially replacing stand up comedians, when you look
25:51
Speaker 3: here at the sport, it's really removing almost the how
25:56
Speaker 3: hard people work and the mistakes or when you're watching AI,
25:59
Speaker 3: the never miss a shot. It'll always be that perfect match.
26:03
Speaker 3: And I just think it's bizarre. I can't see them
26:07
Speaker 3: ever replacing real human athletes because it will never have
26:12
Speaker 3: that replace that heart and soul of why we love
26:15
Speaker 3: sports so much. Imagine going to the tennis and watching
26:18
Speaker 3: two robots. It would just be this perfect constant.
26:22
Speaker 4: Well, what it will be charm is who can code
26:26
Speaker 4: or build the best robot? I mean that then becomes
26:28
Speaker 4: the sport building the AI. But again you remove the
26:33
Speaker 4: human excellence. People train, you know, for years, hours and
26:36
Speaker 4: hours a week, years, and they're like their entire lives
26:39
Speaker 4: to be able to play sport that is always in
26:42
Speaker 4: and of itself going to be intrinsically inspiring and excellent
26:47
Speaker 4: to watch because you just marvel at the peak of
26:49
Speaker 4: what humanity can do. But there is a broader question
26:52
Speaker 4: here around how far could AI possibly go. Businesses around
26:57
Speaker 4: the world are pouring billions of into the AI race,
27:02
Speaker 4: and the world's most valuable company is now called Nvidia.
27:05
Speaker 4: It's made all its money providing chips for AI. But
27:11
Speaker 4: the CEO went on Joe Rogan's podcast the other day
27:14
Speaker 4: and basically admitted he has no idea where this is
27:18
Speaker 4: all going.
27:20
Speaker 7: The best case scenario is that AI diffuses into everything
27:25
Speaker 7: that we do and everything's more efficient. But the threat
27:36
Speaker 7: of war remains a threat of war. Cybersecurity remains a
27:44
Speaker 7: super difficult challenge. Somebody who's going to try to breach
27:50
Speaker 7: your security, You're going to have thousands of millions of
27:55
Speaker 7: AI agents protecting you from that threat. Technology is going
28:01
Speaker 7: to get better. Their technology is going to get better,
28:03
Speaker 7: just like cybersecurity. Right now, while we speak, we're being
28:09
Speaker 7: we're seeing cyber attacks all over to planet on just
28:11
Speaker 7: about every front door you can imagine.
28:14
Speaker 4: So to summarize that very slow talking and keep in
28:17
Speaker 4: mind is probably being very careful what he was saying,
28:20
Speaker 4: because any misspeak could wipe billions of dollars off the
28:24
Speaker 4: value of his company. But what he was essentially saying
28:28
Speaker 4: is there are a lot of risks with AI, and
28:32
Speaker 4: no one really knows where.
28:35
Speaker 5: This is going to end.
28:36
Speaker 4: So we're kind of in an AI arms race where
28:40
Speaker 4: the good actors and the bad actors of the world
28:43
Speaker 4: we're all just dumping money into this thing and hoping
28:45
Speaker 4: that we have the most advanced version because if we don't,
28:48
Speaker 4: the other guys will, and we have no idea what
28:50
Speaker 4: that means.
28:51
Speaker 1: Oh, isn't that great? Jes It just engender's confidence. Just
28:55
Speaker 1: quickly going back to AI sports, confuse me for a
29:01
Speaker 1: long time. You know, when you go into the pub
29:03
Speaker 1: and they've got the animated dog and horse races that
29:08
Speaker 1: you can bet on. The hell is betting on an
29:11
Speaker 1: animated dog and horse race? Like the real thing is there?
29:16
Speaker 1: In my mind always go how you can't tell me
29:19
Speaker 1: that that could not be rigged in some way like that.
29:22
Speaker 1: You know, they obviously know what bets are coming in
29:25
Speaker 1: and everyone's bet on the number one dog. We'll get
29:27
Speaker 1: the number two dog to win. Why would you bet
29:30
Speaker 1: on an animated race? So look, clearly there is some
29:34
Speaker 1: kind of market for AI or animated or fake sports
29:40
Speaker 1: to some degree, there you go. But as to all
29:43
Speaker 1: the other things you can do with AI, apart from
29:45
Speaker 1: take people's money from them. It I know that what
29:51
Speaker 1: he's saying is true, and we all know it's true.
29:54
Speaker 1: It's been true for a long time. But to just
29:56
Speaker 1: hear someone in charge of one of the biggest companies
30:00
Speaker 1: in the AI game, yeah, in terms of the production
30:03
Speaker 1: of the chips and just saying, yeah, you know, we're
30:06
Speaker 1: just having to throw out the steps. See where we go,
30:09
Speaker 1: see where we land, how it ends up. I mean,
30:12
Speaker 1: this thing could kill the world, and here we are saying, bah,
30:16
Speaker 1: let's see what happens.
30:18
Speaker 3: And I think he was also really stressing in the
30:20
Speaker 3: point though, that they will come a tipping point, but
30:23
Speaker 3: it's not going to come this is sudden, like whoa,
30:26
Speaker 3: it's here. It'll be just a slow gradual and it
30:28
Speaker 3: would be no one's actually gonna notice because it just
30:30
Speaker 3: keeps getting better and better and better. And he did
30:32
Speaker 3: say on there that he was actually saying that he
30:34
Speaker 3: doesn't see AI taking over as many jobs as what
30:36
Speaker 3: people are concerned about.
30:38
Speaker 1: Well, you would say that if you're trying to a more.
30:41
Speaker 4: Sees it as it'll just enhance everyone's lives. It'll just
30:44
Speaker 4: help everything that you do. And I guess if that's
30:47
Speaker 4: how it continue to be used. You know, if you
30:48
Speaker 4: need help with a CV or you need help to
30:51
Speaker 4: rewrite something, you quickly jump onto CHATCHP.
30:54
Speaker 1: That is true, you can use it in that way.
30:56
Speaker 1: But the issue with AI is that everything you do
30:59
Speaker 1: with it, every time you do something, it's smarter, it
31:01
Speaker 1: gits smarter, and it learns more. So it starts out
31:04
Speaker 1: with oh, yeah, yeah, it'll help me write my curriculum,
31:07
Speaker 1: and then next thing it becomes it's just doing all well.
31:11
Speaker 1: Just won't be married to metinue. But yeah, I mean
31:14
Speaker 1: it's all good and will to say it'll help you.
31:17
Speaker 1: But the more it helps you, the more it learns
31:19
Speaker 1: how to do everything. I don't think you can simply say, oh,
31:22
Speaker 1: it'll be a tool for good because you can do
31:26
Speaker 1: whatever it wants. And then when they start, you know,
31:28
Speaker 1: arming themselves.
31:30
Speaker 2: Let's not forget that.
31:31
Speaker 3: Multiple times throughout history, whenever a new technology comes into
31:35
Speaker 3: the market, there is always apprehension as to where this
31:38
Speaker 3: is going to go. I know AI is different, but
31:40
Speaker 3: people who have hesitations about every single.
31:42
Speaker 5: Thing that's come along.
31:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know they.
31:45
Speaker 3: You know, even just like the fax machine and when
31:47
Speaker 3: you had a mobile phone and the fact that you
31:49
Speaker 3: could carry this device around and so there's just been
31:51
Speaker 3: so much technological advances throughout time. People always hesitant to
31:56
Speaker 3: adopt to it and get used to it and then
31:58
Speaker 3: just becomes puss.
31:59
Speaker 1: That's true. And people said about the mechanization of factories
32:02
Speaker 1: and things because it took jobs away. But the robots
32:06
Speaker 1: that were building cars didn't have minds of their own.
32:08
Speaker 1: That's the bit that really worries me. And sort of
32:11
Speaker 1: you know, exponentially expanding mines. But he's an antidote to
32:15
Speaker 1: all of that. You would have seen. Of course Naplan
32:18
Speaker 1: results rolling out today, plenty of stories being written about it,
32:22
Speaker 1: including one about Saint Mary McKillop College in Albury. Now,
32:27
Speaker 1: this school was at the top of the tree in
32:29
Speaker 1: Naplan in its region in the River Arena. It had
32:34
Speaker 1: a score of six six hundred and thirty three point two,
32:37
Speaker 1: which is really high. It was fiftieth in the entire state.
32:40
Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of schools in New South Wales
32:43
Speaker 1: and I had look, I saw the numbers for South
32:46
Speaker 1: Australia today. If that was in South Australia. This is
32:48
Speaker 1: an old school in aubrid It actually would have been
32:50
Speaker 1: the second best secondary school in the entirety of SA,
32:54
Speaker 1: so that kind of tells you how well they are doing.
32:57
Speaker 1: And the principle said, it all comes down to the
33:01
Speaker 1: fact that they've basically taken technology out of the classroom.
33:05
Speaker 1: He said, they don't have iPads, students don't bring their
33:09
Speaker 1: own devices to school. They do use laptops a little bit,
33:13
Speaker 1: but they keep it to a minimum. They've got direct
33:16
Speaker 1: instruction to students. Students are using paper and pin and
33:21
Speaker 1: lo and behold it's working.
33:24
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, who would have thought. And the principal
33:26
Speaker 4: said exactly that. He said, we as a school reject fads,
33:30
Speaker 4: all of this, you know, student led learning and inquisitive.
33:33
Speaker 2: Approaches, that stuff. It's all a fad.
33:37
Speaker 4: It's cooked up by academics in universities, not by real
33:40
Speaker 4: teachers who are in the classroom. And the results speak
33:44
Speaker 4: for themselves. So I think this is just such a
33:47
Speaker 4: breath of fresh air. The other thing the school does
33:50
Speaker 4: is in some classes they split up the genders. So
33:53
Speaker 4: in English classes they'll have separate male and female and
33:57
Speaker 4: in sport as well. So I mean everyone. How education
34:01
Speaker 4: bureaucrats take note. We don't need theories in interracial postcolonial justice.
34:06
Speaker 4: We just need to give children some direct instructions so
34:10
Speaker 4: they know what's expected of them. Well, I've seen it
34:13
Speaker 4: in my own household. When my eight year old first
34:16
Speaker 4: started KINDI, he was actually in Victoria and that school
34:18
Speaker 4: everything was on an iPad. You all had to have
34:20
Speaker 4: your own iPad, and every single thing was on on
34:23
Speaker 4: the iPad. And I remember when he was writing and
34:25
Speaker 4: he would say, oh, look I don't have to finish
34:27
Speaker 4: the word.
34:27
Speaker 5: It does it for me.
34:28
Speaker 3: I said to no, huts, and you will never learn
34:30
Speaker 3: to read and write if you're letting the iPad write
34:32
Speaker 3: everything for you.
34:34
Speaker 5: Fast forward to when we moved back to Sydney and.
34:36
Speaker 3: He was then at his school where he is now,
34:38
Speaker 3: and that is very old school traditional learning, where it's
34:41
Speaker 3: pen and paper, no one uses an iPad. And he
34:44
Speaker 3: was so far behind compared to the cohort that had
34:48
Speaker 3: just been learning pen and paper from the start. And
34:50
Speaker 3: he has been catching up this entire time, compared to
34:53
Speaker 3: my now kindergarten who's just flying because he's never had
34:55
Speaker 3: to learn off an iPad.
34:58
Speaker 1: It almost sounds revolutionary. And Smith the pre Supple's seed.
35:00
Speaker 1: The approach at the school is I do we do
35:04
Speaker 1: you do? And it almost sounds revolutionary him saying it. Yes,
35:08
Speaker 1: it is so damn basic and just makes sense. I mean,
35:11
Speaker 1: it's what we do in every other facet of life, right.
35:14
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh my god, I can't believe a
35:15
Speaker 1: school's doing so well when they take the technology away
35:18
Speaker 1: and they just tell the kids what to do.
35:19
Speaker 2: Who would have thought common sense? Man, it's pretty cool.
35:22
Speaker 4: Well, let's move over to the US now, where a
35:24
Speaker 4: Catholic church in Boston, Massachusetts is under fire for their
35:29
Speaker 4: Nativity display, which has Mary in Joseph, the classic Nativity scene,
35:34
Speaker 4: but the manger is empty instead of little baby Jesus.
35:39
Speaker 4: There's a sign that says Ice was here. Ooh, because
35:45
Speaker 4: baby Jesus apparently was a refugee and a migrant, and
35:50
Speaker 4: so they want to make a comment on the true
35:53
Speaker 4: state of just how terrible America is today and if
35:55
Speaker 4: Jesus was born today, he would have been deported by Ice,
36:00
Speaker 4: according to this very strange church.
36:03
Speaker 2: But not everyone is so happy with that.
36:06
Speaker 8: Have a look, he's politicizing Christmas, he's exploiting the Holy Family,
36:12
Speaker 8: he's using his position as the pastor of a Catholic
36:15
Speaker 8: parish to promote his left wing politically theology.
36:19
Speaker 4: Now, I do want it on the record, Jesus was
36:22
Speaker 4: not a refugee, and anyone he thinks he was needs
36:25
Speaker 4: to take a look.
36:26
Speaker 2: At the Bible and history.
36:28
Speaker 4: Yes, Mary and Joseph had to flee to Egypt to
36:31
Speaker 4: escape King Herod, but Egypt was actually still a province
36:35
Speaker 4: of the Roman Empire at the time. They went from
36:38
Speaker 4: the Roman Province of Judea to the Roman Province of Egypt.
36:42
Speaker 4: They did not cross any international borders. He was not
36:45
Speaker 4: a refugee, and by the way, they were returning to
36:49
Speaker 4: Bethlehem so they could be counted in the census, so
36:52
Speaker 4: they were very much legal citizens.
36:55
Speaker 1: And they weren't born in the US, so Ice couldn't
36:58
Speaker 1: deport him. I mean, it's pretty straightforward, isn't it.
37:01
Speaker 3: But this pastor has also made a name for himself
37:05
Speaker 3: with his Nativity scenes for the past ten years, where
37:09
Speaker 3: every single year is a new theme, whether it's around
37:11
Speaker 3: mass shootings or whether it's global warming or previously he
37:14
Speaker 3: has actually had a focus on immigration. Ironically, but he's
37:18
Speaker 3: no one to be doing this sort of thing, so
37:21
Speaker 3: not surprises.
37:21
Speaker 5: He's in headlines again.
37:22
Speaker 1: Oh well, you know whatever floats your boat away in
37:26
Speaker 1: a manger, except the manger has now gone away. After
37:29
Speaker 1: the break, we'll get into the papers. Some interesting news
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Speaker 1: around the social media band coming up. Just how easy
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Speaker 1: it is to get around this facial recognition technology that's
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Speaker 1: doing instituted don't go away, My god, the things we
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Speaker 1: have learned in that ad break. I'll keep it to myself,
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Speaker 1: but it's kind of strugging. Let's look at tomorrow's news,
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Speaker 1: shall we. We'll start with the front of the Australia.
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Speaker 2: Yes, let's kick it off.
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Speaker 4: The headline in The Australian that caught our attention was
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Speaker 4: skewed data in climate study. Labour's most recent advice on
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Speaker 4: its twenty thirty five emissions target was partly informed by
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Speaker 4: a German study that has been retracted after environmental experts
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Speaker 4: warned its skewed data significantly overinflated the possible economic damage
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Speaker 4: of climate change. The opposition has now demanded an urgent
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Speaker 4: review of the Climate Change authorities twenty thirty five targets
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Speaker 4: advice paper, after excited a study that leading science journal
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Speaker 4: Nature announced this week would be retracted. The paper compiled
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Speaker 4: by authors from the German government funded Potsdam Institute for
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Speaker 4: Climate Impact Research. It found a high mission scenario would
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Speaker 4: lead to global output nose diving by sixty two percent.
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Speaker 4: Of course, now it's been retracted and so, and this
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Speaker 4: is the thing with economic models. Climate models inputs feed
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Speaker 4: through to every conclusion that the model draws. So if
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Speaker 4: this study is false and it has overstated the economic
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Speaker 4: impact of climate change, we need a whole redo of
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Speaker 4: whatever modeling the Climate Change Authority did well.
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Speaker 1: It's it's huge the discrepancy because there's this data that
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Speaker 1: was used in it from Uzbekistan, of all places, where
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Speaker 1: they looked at a four year period in the nineteen nineties,
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Speaker 1: and when they took that out, so keeping in mind
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Speaker 1: the original number they've come up with sixty two percent,
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Speaker 1: when they take out the Uzbekistani numbers, it's actually twenty
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Speaker 1: three percent. That is based on four years of dodgy
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Speaker 1: data from Uzbekistan.
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Speaker 3: It's actually unbelievable and it's it's frightening it when you
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Speaker 3: look at this data and the fact that the changes
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Speaker 3: are so substantial that they can't even just do a correction,
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Speaker 3: and the entire thing has to be taken off. And
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Speaker 3: so Matt Kean and the Climate Change Authority need to
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Speaker 3: be working very hard to readdress the updated assessments and
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Speaker 3: analysis and need to get that out there as soon
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Speaker 3: as possible, because we are heading towards targets that are
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Speaker 3: completely unrealistic and not right.
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Speaker 2: I just love how.
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Speaker 4: When announcing the whole paper that Keene was up there
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Speaker 4: at the press conference going this is the best of
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Speaker 4: global studies on climate This is the best most comprehensive
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Speaker 4: piece of analysis ever. Did it the history of Australia
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Speaker 4: on climate change?
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Speaker 2: Mate, You've got it wrong.
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Speaker 4: If your study is based on this study, and this
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Speaker 4: study has been retracted, you've got to go back and
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Speaker 4: reado everything and once you account for the benefits of
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Speaker 4: climate change, which by the way, they also didn't do
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Speaker 4: in the so called comprehensive study.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, is it even that bad.
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Speaker 1: Let's see cheeze too is biggest down. Let's go to
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Speaker 1: the front of the Daily Telegraph tomorrow where wich is
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Speaker 1: a clear path to dinner. Some good news actually, customers
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Speaker 1: will be unshackled from tables outside pubs in the city
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Speaker 1: with Sydney Lord Mayor Clover More's council finally scrapping red
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Speaker 1: tape on outdoor dining. It comes just over a month
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Speaker 1: since The Daily Telegraph revealed venus risked fines if drinkers
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Speaker 1: wandered too far away from outdoor tables. The City of
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Speaker 1: Sydney will move to allow outdoor trade as long as
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Speaker 1: businesses keep a clear path for foot traffic.
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Speaker 2: Just commons common censer's back.
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Speaker 5: Common sense has prevailed.
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Speaker 3: It is just crazy that in a council like the
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Speaker 3: City of Sydney you would be fined for just walking
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Speaker 3: away from your table and having a drink outside.
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Speaker 2: We need to have the.
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Speaker 3: Nightlife back, We need to have these areas thriving.
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Speaker 5: But unfortunately that wasn't going to happen under clover War.
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Speaker 5: But at least now common sensors prevailing. Yeah, well, she's.
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Speaker 4: Someone that just seems to like red tape for the
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Speaker 4: sake of it.
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Speaker 2: It's like a couple of weeks ago we talked about
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Speaker 2: her crackdown on buskers. What a busk has ever done
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Speaker 2: to clover More.
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Speaker 4: But anytime anything moves in Sydney, Clovermore will regulate it.
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Speaker 1: I remember writing eight or nine years ago in Adelaide
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Speaker 1: when Adelaide's City council was telling Dina's Restaurants cafes on
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Speaker 1: King william Street, whichcause of the guts of the city,
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Speaker 1: that they couldn't have alfresco tables and chairs because wait
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Speaker 1: for it, it was a designated boulevard, which meant that
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Speaker 1: if the Queen ever came to town, the place would
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Speaker 1: have to be cleared so that people could stand on
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Speaker 1: the footpath and the Queen couldn't go Williams Street. And
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Speaker 1: they said that was why you couldn't have tables for
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Speaker 1: They did finally fix that, thank god. Another story on
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Speaker 1: the front of the Telly Tomorrow Brain Rot doom scroll
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Speaker 1: dopamine hits changing us forever. Neuroscience and addiction specialists have
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Speaker 1: seid social media apps were designed to flood the head
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Speaker 1: with dopamine, that doom scrolling could be reshaping children's brains.
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Speaker 1: The alarming comments came days before new laws take effect
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Speaker 1: banning under sixteens from social media. And I think we
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Speaker 1: kind of already knew this was happening, didn't we. You've
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Speaker 1: only got to use social media to know something is up.
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Speaker 1: And that's why they have algorithms.
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Speaker 4: Exactly right, And it does keep kids hooked because you
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Speaker 4: get this dopamine rash, you feel good.
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Speaker 2: You want to keep watching.
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Speaker 4: Over time, your brain becomes less sensitive to dopamine.
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Speaker 2: It's a bad smiral.
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Speaker 3: And brain Rod is literally the name of what all
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Speaker 3: thes are crazy.
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Speaker 5: That six even is from this.
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Speaker 1: Oh can you do that?
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Speaker 2: It is every time something, Oh they do it, Oh
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Speaker 2: we do it all the time. It's part of my life.
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Speaker 4: And you've got two children that are obsessed with I
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Speaker 4: keep saying to them, brain Rod, just listen to those words.
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Speaker 5: That's what's happening to your brain. It is rotting every time.
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Speaker 5: Six seven.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's head over now to the advertiser where we
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Speaker 3: will continue the discussion about this social media band. So
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Speaker 3: fourteen year old has done the face scan on Snapchat,
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Speaker 3: and that social media app believe that this boy was
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Speaker 3: twenty five. So he's been able to get through the
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Speaker 3: verification process, which involves a full scan, and it means
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Speaker 3: that alistairs app will not be switched off on December
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Speaker 3: ten when this social.
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Speaker 5: Media band begins.
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Speaker 4: And Alistair thought he was just going to give it
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Speaker 4: a try, just to see what would happen, and he
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Speaker 4: actually said I didn't think it would actually work.
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Speaker 5: But there we go.
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Speaker 3: We've just had the first proof of where this can
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Speaker 3: all fall over next week.
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Speaker 1: It's not working quite clearly, and this is the issue.
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Speaker 1: It's all good and well to say, oh yeah, we'll
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Speaker 1: get the kiddies off the social media, but the stuff
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Speaker 1: doesn't work. But I mean you just get your mum
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Speaker 1: or your dad to look at it. No, yeah, you
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Speaker 1: look thirty five and away you go. But you can't
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Speaker 1: tell me this is going to stop kids getting on
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Speaker 1: social media.
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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
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Speaker 4: I mean the question will be does it stop enough
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Speaker 4: of them to remove the draw to be on social media?
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Speaker 2: Because if it's only.
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Speaker 4: Alistair on there, then it won't be much fun. Who's
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Speaker 4: he going to talk to? It won't be very social.
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Speaker 4: But let's see lots of questions unanswered in the Anti
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Speaker 4: News tomorrow. And Ozzie legend has passed away. One of
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Speaker 4: the greatest of all Territorians, a true Northern Territory icon,
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Speaker 4: has died, leaving a legacy which spans from music, to football,
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Speaker 4: government and history. Edward Joseph ted Egan AO, aged ninety three,
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Speaker 4: died in Alice Springs on Thursday Morning. Tributes porn in
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Speaker 4: thick and fast for the former administrator, aboriginal rights activist
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Speaker 4: and musician, Yeah True, icon of the territory. He was
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Speaker 4: an administrator in the early two thousands and Yeah Brilliant Man.
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Speaker 5: Had thirty albums, published books.
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Speaker 3: In a six part TV series, he co hosted The
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Speaker 3: Great Outdoors.
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Speaker 5: I mean talk about an overachiever.
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Speaker 1: Probably he was. And you know it's Australiani. You know,
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Speaker 1: you know the song you don't call wogga wogga woggan
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Speaker 1: o circle and Wogga wogga wogger is wrong. That's tedy
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Speaker 1: and proper Australiana. Before we go on the front of
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Speaker 1: the Can's Post tomorrow, a disgraceful story kroc each Pet Dog.
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Speaker 1: A crocodile has snatched a pet dog from a beach
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Speaker 1: outside of popular Far North resort. Rangers are investigating the
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Speaker 1: weekend attack at Cape Tribulation that occurred just weeks after
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Speaker 1: a teenage boy was bitten in the area, and in
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Speaker 1: fact it happened at the Cape True Beach House, which
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Speaker 1: I've stayed at and is a lovely spot and it
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Speaker 1: has its own little private beach there. But clearly little
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Speaker 1: puppy has been taken from the beach to watch out
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Speaker 1: across and if.
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Speaker 4: It was taken by crop, you couldn't even cremate it
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Speaker 4: and put it in the dog cemetery.
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Speaker 1: No, dear, dear, poor fella, he was dinner. Anyway. After
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Speaker 1: the break we told you before, we're going to talk
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Speaker 1: about Spotify rapped. It tells you what songs you've been
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Speaker 1: listening to the most to your top artists are, and
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Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff. We will reveal some interesting
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Speaker 1: stuff about ourselves on the other side of this. Spotify
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Speaker 1: Raptor tells you what you've been listening to this year
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Speaker 1: on Spotify, and we're going to unwrap and tell you
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Speaker 1: what we've been listening to. There has been all these
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Speaker 1: complaints apparently that there's no Australian music as has topped
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Speaker 1: anything on Spotify, but it topped it for me. My
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Speaker 1: top artist was Slim Dusty and my top song was
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Speaker 1: the biggest disappointment, the.
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Speaker 9: Only interested branch of farm out, good old family dream.
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Speaker 9: I just couldn't have been the person the expected me
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Speaker 9: to be and the biggestest of mine.
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Speaker 1: Mend in the world. Wow, I love swim Dusty. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to play that at my funeral. That's my plan.
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Speaker 1: What's what's on yours.
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Speaker 2: I feel like mine's a little bit more upbeat.
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Speaker 5: We can we can change tac now.
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Speaker 3: But I think looking at my Spotify rap, you would say, yep,
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Speaker 3: she's a mom of two boys. Because my top song
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Speaker 3: was Jack Black in Minecraft, lave.
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Speaker 5: A Chickens.
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Speaker 1: No Lovaeve love Chicken, yasty as hell, Sit to Naga
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Speaker 1: ring in the mill, risb and just I.
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Speaker 2: Have on a stack spicing your mother.
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Speaker 1: That's really good.
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Speaker 2: That is, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I'm in my head for the rest of this evening
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Speaker 3: when I'm lying in bed.
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Speaker 2: It's pretty catchy.
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Speaker 4: Well, if you looked at my Spotify rap, you would
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Speaker 4: know I am clearly a young woman because my top
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Speaker 4: song was that's so true from Gracie Abrams.
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Speaker 2: There you go. Now you know I have really basic
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Speaker 2: taste in music.
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Speaker 1: That song annoys the living daylight way thinking of it,
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Speaker 1: Mike know every time it was Supermarket or something and
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Speaker 1: they play who were saying it is to make your
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Speaker 1: age based on the music you've listened to your sea.
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Speaker 2: You don't get it. My age sixty eight.
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Speaker 1: My top song I'm sixty four, Well.
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Speaker 5: Actually I was forty one.
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Speaker 4: I thought that it'd be more like I was six
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Speaker 4: or eight, but close to my own age.
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Speaker 1: Wow, there you go. I mean, look, you know, I've
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Speaker 1: always thought that I was perhaps older than I really am,
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Speaker 1: but it's now been priven, driven by Spotify. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for watching tonight, ap Nicks the reader panic for that