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IFH 805: Why Your Film Isn’t Getting Made (And What to Do About It) with Ron Newcomb · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 3: I'm so glad to talk to my next guest. We
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  Speaker 3: talk about all this stuff. We also going to talk
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  Speaker 3: about a very high topic, which is how the hell
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  Speaker 3: do you make a film while working a full time
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  Speaker 3: day job. How do you do that? How do you
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  Speaker 3: go work a job and that's eight to twelve hours?
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  Speaker 3: You come home, You got family responsibilities, You got people
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  Speaker 3: always asking for your attention, You got people constantly And
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you A little side story here. The other day,
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  Speaker 3: I actually had a friend of mine who I didn't
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  Speaker 3: talked to any years, asking me to help him with
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  Speaker 3: different projects. I mean, you know, as soon as I
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  Speaker 3: go on Facebook Messenger, man, it's over. I get dinged
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  Speaker 3: like crazy.
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  Speaker 4: And a friend of.
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  Speaker 3: Mine was telling me to remove it, and I one
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  Speaker 3: time I actually suspended my Facebook and I was just
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  Speaker 3: I got people then bombarding me on Twitter or my email.
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  Speaker 3: That's why when I tell people, if I don't get
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  Speaker 3: back to you, trust me, there's a reason I'm not
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  Speaker 3: ignoring you. But we're gonna talk about all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: This is a really really cool episode with guests Ron Nukem.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, definitely appreciate it. Yeah, Scott is awesome. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm a fan of the of Scott's and yours, and
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  Speaker 4: are so many other other guys and gals out there
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  Speaker 4: doing at a level that we're all kind of doing
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  Speaker 4: it at and just love what Scott was doing. So yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I connected with him and have gone on to kind
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  Speaker 4: of help with doing a few of those. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: it kind of gets to a point where when you're
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  Speaker 4: working full time and you have your full time job,
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  Speaker 4: you have your family, and really the podcast becomes such
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  Speaker 4: a left and I know you know this, but filmmaking
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  Speaker 4: started to take second seat.
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  Speaker 5: So I've even reevaluated just okay, what.
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  Speaker 4: Is my why?
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  Speaker 5: You know, what am I doing and why am I
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  Speaker 5: doing it? And then what's the goal.
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  Speaker 4: And so I even recently, and I know a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people out there can relate. We're always having to
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  Speaker 4: kind of reinvent ourselves. You know, that's the whole mantra
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  Speaker 4: of the start of the new year. We're all setting
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  Speaker 4: goals and resolutions, and you know, twenty eighteen definitely for me,
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  Speaker 4: is about leveling up. I want to level up my
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  Speaker 4: filmmaking game. That's the goal.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So when you say like level up, I mean
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  Speaker 3: do you mean just like the scope of projects? The
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  Speaker 3: amount of projects says how we're referring to.
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  Speaker 4: So really what I want to do is is I
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  Speaker 4: realized I kept being very passive about my filmmaking career.
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  Speaker 4: And so you know, as an I consider myself an
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  Speaker 4: indie filmmaker, but I'm not anti studio. You know, if
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  Speaker 4: the studio was willing to come in and jump in
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  Speaker 4: and fund some of my projects, hey, game on. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I think even Kevin Smith and Tarantino and Rodriguez. Look,
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  Speaker 4: you know they all started out independent, but the studios
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  Speaker 4: funded their dreams, you know, and got their stories told.
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  Speaker 4: And it really goes down to the why, And I think,
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  Speaker 4: why are we all in this storytelling thing? Why are
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  Speaker 4: we all in this business? And it's because, you know,
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  Speaker 4: filmmaking is powerful. Right as Americans, our number one export
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  Speaker 4: is our culture, and we predominantly do that through the
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  Speaker 4: power of film. Just go to anywhere outside the States
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  Speaker 4: and you see the impact.
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  Speaker 5: And influence of things, and you see Nike and all
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  Speaker 5: these different things.
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  Speaker 4: And film can also reflect culture at times, but it
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  Speaker 4: can also dictate culture. It's powerful, but it must be
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  Speaker 4: a calling. It can't just be a want or a desire.
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  Speaker 4: And I started to realize that I'm getting ready to
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  Speaker 4: turn forty five, and you know, every film that I've
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  Speaker 4: ever been.
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  Speaker 5: A part of feature it's taken five to seven years.
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  Speaker 5: So the math doesn't add up.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I going to get to tell all the
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  Speaker 4: stories I want to tell. I have over twenty five
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  Speaker 4: treatments ready to go. I literally just yesterday type the
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  Speaker 4: end on a screenplay, man, and that was you know,
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  Speaker 4: it took about a little over six months to write
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  Speaker 4: this latest feature that I've done. So when you start
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  Speaker 4: to look at those things as an endie, because we
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  Speaker 4: don't get to do this in a full time capacity.
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  Speaker 4: For most of us. I've had intermittent moments where I've
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  Speaker 4: been able to do filmmaking full time at three year intervals,
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  Speaker 4: ironically enough, but right now I've had to go back
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  Speaker 4: and get another nine to five job. And so I've
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  Speaker 4: realized that, Okay, Ron, you have three predominant paths as
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  Speaker 4: an independent filmmaker. I believe that you can take. One
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  Speaker 4: is you can try to go get a manager, you know,
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  Speaker 4: as a director, as a writer, and level your career
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  Speaker 4: up that way. And so that's one path that I'm pursuing,
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  Speaker 4: going seeking representation to try to get into that whole
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  Speaker 4: studio system because the likelihood of you breaking in on
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  Speaker 4: your own is you know, almost non existent. And then two,
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  Speaker 4: it's to find the right production partner that can help
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  Speaker 4: team up with me and get the stories that I
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  Speaker 4: want told out there, and those are hard to find
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  Speaker 4: as our managers, but there are production companies producing partners
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  Speaker 4: rather that are out there that are looking for that
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  Speaker 4: next right thing. And then thirdly, I could look at
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  Speaker 4: bringing on investors to do my own projects, and I
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  Speaker 4: think I'm going to bang the drum on all three
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  Speaker 4: of them. And again I think that's the the Indie way,
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  Speaker 4: that's the Indie spirit. Is I'm going to try to
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  Speaker 4: seek about security manager. I'm going to try to be
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  Speaker 4: getting a producing partner that can bring me to that
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  Speaker 4: next level. And then I'm also going to be trying
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  Speaker 4: to seek out my own investors on I have two
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  Speaker 4: projects and wrapping up on a third project that is packaged,
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  Speaker 4: if you will, not in the context of the studio
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  Speaker 4: package per se, like I have a named writer, director
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  Speaker 4: and an actor because I wrote it, I want to
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  Speaker 4: direct it, but I've packaged it in the sense I've
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  Speaker 4: got all my comps done and all these the business
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  Speaker 4: plan done and ready to go. And so the next
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  Speaker 4: step would be trying to get on that producing partner
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  Speaker 4: that can then bring in those relationships where I might
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  Speaker 4: be able to, let's say, bring on an A list
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  Speaker 4: or B less talent level. So when I talk about
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  Speaker 4: leveling up, those those are the three things that I've
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  Speaker 4: identified that I'm going to be trying to do this year.
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  Speaker 4: So much so Dave that I actually I live in
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  Speaker 4: the DC metro area, and on August twenty fifth, I
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  Speaker 4: just signed the paperwork. I'm going to do an event
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  Speaker 4: because I think I'm the only one. I'm not the
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  Speaker 4: only one out there that feels like this, and I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to invite managers, producing partners, and investors to.
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  Speaker 5: Up DC to host an event where we can pitch them.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 4: Think of it as Shark Tank meets the independent world.
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  Speaker 4: And it's not like you get five minutes, you get
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  Speaker 4: ninety seconds to pitch. I went to this other pitch event,
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  Speaker 4: entrepreneurial pitch event, and it was so well done that
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  Speaker 4: it was such a light bulb moment, and so I
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  Speaker 4: talked to a few investors and they were like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we like to see something like that. There's
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  Speaker 4: no guarantee that we'll all walk out with something, but
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  Speaker 4: you know, I think a lot of independence. Man.
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  Speaker 5: We just want up the back. Just give me the shot,
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  Speaker 5: you know, put me in the game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, it's funny you mentioned that event because
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  Speaker 3: a couple of years ago I was actually part of
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  Speaker 3: like a producer's group here in Philly and we were
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  Speaker 3: gonna do something similar and it just all fell apart
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  Speaker 3: for a ton of reasons. But that's why I'm glad
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  Speaker 3: you're doing this, Ron, because I think it's awesome. Ours
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  Speaker 3: was probably gonna be a little bit probably different. Yours
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  Speaker 3: is probably gonna be ten thousand times better. So just
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  Speaker 3: because I won't go into it, I'll start going off
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  Speaker 3: on a tangent. But basically, see this is what I'm
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  Speaker 3: talking about. Like we were just talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: all these different projects and you know they take seven years.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the biggest problem that I find to run
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  Speaker 3: is not only you know, you have to work a
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  Speaker 3: full time day job and then you got to come
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  Speaker 3: home and you have all these family commitments or what
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  Speaker 3: have you.
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  Speaker 3: And then you want to gets to you working, and
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  Speaker 3: by the end you're either too tired or you're so
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  Speaker 3: stressed out you can't work. I fall into that latter part,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, and you're just like I just can't
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  Speaker 3: concentrate on it, like I've got ten thousand other things
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  Speaker 3: run through my mind. But like I think that you know,
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  Speaker 3: just events like this, you know, should become more commonplace
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  Speaker 3: because there are people out there like that feel that
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  Speaker 3: way and if you could say to these investors, these producers,
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  Speaker 3: these channels, what have you, and say, look, this isn't
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  Speaker 3: going to be a free for all kind of like AFM.
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  Speaker 3: This is going to be more of a structured Hey, look,
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  Speaker 3: you know there's some you know, you have to there's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be a certain level of quality, a certain momometer
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  Speaker 3: that people have to piss and you're only going to get,
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  Speaker 3: you know, people who can actually generally do stuff. It's
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  Speaker 3: not going to be like hey, a first time filmmaker
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  Speaker 3: or even a YouTuber who's trying to you know, raise
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  Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. You know, there is a kind of levels, tiers,
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  Speaker 4: if you will, Like I've had some marginal success, I've
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  Speaker 4: done some features, and hey, by the way, I think
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  Speaker 4: anybody out there listening that has done a feature film
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  Speaker 4: should win an Oscar Man. We should just be able
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  Speaker 4: to walk up and accept our work. It takes, you know,
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  Speaker 4: an act of God. A film will fight you every
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  Speaker 4: step of the way. You have to pull it into existence.
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  Speaker 4: So for all the people that have finished a feature, bravo.
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  Speaker 4: But there are I do believe kind of different levels,
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  Speaker 4: different tiers, and I really want to do it at
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  Speaker 4: a high end, professional level, just simply in the indie market.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm definitely not talking about running around with a
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  Speaker 4: handicam on my backyard, you know, trying to film my
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  Speaker 4: daughter's and turn it into a feature.
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  Speaker 5: Although say that might be an idea right there.
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  Speaker 4: We can we can film.
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  Speaker 3: Breat that down.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I will. No, it definitely is. You know
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  Speaker 4: about One of the things that I find is there's
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  Speaker 4: not a ton of opportunities for us, and so people
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  Speaker 4: always we're waiting for someone else. We're waiting for someone else.
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  Speaker 4: And I just said, you know what, this year, I'm
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  Speaker 4: just not going to wait for anybody else. I'm just
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  Speaker 4: gonna do and I'm gonna you know, we live in
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  Speaker 4: the day and age of you know, Gary Vaynerchek and
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  Speaker 4: all these others where you got to do more, you
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  Speaker 4: got to do more, you got to do more, and
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  Speaker 4: so you walk away feeling a little bit defeated, like, man,
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  Speaker 4: like I can't do more. You know, I'm staying up.
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  Speaker 4: I don't have a full time job and then a
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  Speaker 4: part time job. I do full time jobs. You know, filmmaking.
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  Speaker 5: Independent filmmaking is a full time job.
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  Speaker 4: I stay up till nine ten o'clock every night, you know,
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  Speaker 4: trying to work on something I don't give try to
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  Speaker 4: give myself too many luxuries of watching this or that,
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  Speaker 4: although I do think it's important as a filmmaker to
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  Speaker 4: watch stuff, don't get me wrong, but you know, I'm
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  Speaker 4: really trying to spend the time to put myself in
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  Speaker 4: the best possible position and yet have enough grace for
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  Speaker 4: myself not to be all consuming because you know, film
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  Speaker 4: can be defeatism. Man, I mean, you could get completely
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  Speaker 4: defeated and wiped out. Like, you know, why am I
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  Speaker 4: doing this? And I think that's the important question. Why
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  Speaker 4: are you doing this if it's for fame or fortune?
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  Speaker 4: You know, if I can deter anybody to get out
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  Speaker 4: of it. I don't want to come off as a
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  Speaker 4: you know, a pessimist. I hate it when you listen
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  Speaker 4: to podcasts and people are like, man it dud's a downer.
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  Speaker 4: But I do want to be This is a school
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  Speaker 4: of hard knocks. Indie filmmaking, true indie filmmaking. Trying to
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  Speaker 4: do it vacasionally and make money at it and do
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  Speaker 4: a full time is not for the week at heart.
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  Speaker 4: You know, there's a tax to be paid and it's
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  Speaker 4: not paid by you, it's paid by your family. And
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  Speaker 4: it's a challenge, you know it. And this is just
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  Speaker 4: one man's point of view. This is just the way
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  Speaker 4: I've done it. And I also has heard the right
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  Speaker 4: to change my mind later and mighty and contradict myself.
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  Speaker 4: But it is something that I believe at forty five
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  Speaker 4: that I have been able to look back on and say, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: if I can give some thoughts, guidance and insight into
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  Speaker 4: something and try to pull people up at least to
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  Speaker 4: where I'm at and push them beyond, you know, hopefully
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  Speaker 4: I can give some little nuggets to people to make
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  Speaker 4: it happen, because it's not you know, it's not easy,
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  Speaker 4: right and we all know that, but I do think
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  Speaker 4: there is a pathway to make it happen. You know,
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  Speaker 4: there's a great resource out there that I'm a big
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  Speaker 4: fan of is Stage thirty two. I think that they're
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  Speaker 4: doing a really good job out there for filmmakers. And
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  Speaker 4: I got to interview RB, the CEO of Stage thirty
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  Speaker 4: two and just a real sharp guy. And there's so
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  Speaker 4: many other great resources to get information from, like yourself, Dave,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Jason Bruce Baker Jason buff Alex Ferrari, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Scott of course, Ashley, tom Alloyd. You know. We can
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  Speaker 4: go on and on about people that are equipping us
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  Speaker 4: to get out there. But one of the things I've realized, Dave,
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  Speaker 4: is that one of the best things I can do
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  Speaker 4: for my sphere of influence is really do a film.
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  Speaker 4: That's what really people want, you know, they want opportunity.
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  Speaker 4: And it wouldn't be great if I could call you up,
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  Speaker 4: Dave and say, hey, man, you're in Philly. You know
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  Speaker 4: you're You're just a couple hours up the road for me,
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  Speaker 4: come on down here and let's let's do a feature
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  Speaker 4: for the next three weeks. You know, and by the way,
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  Speaker 4: I'm paying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that would be absolutely amazing because you know,
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  Speaker 3: and this is what I was alluding to earlier, was
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  Speaker 3: you know, I think this is why a lot of
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  Speaker 3: guys get burned out because you know, again, just to
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  Speaker 3: go back to the seven year time span or even
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  Speaker 3: the three to five year time span, you know, people
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  Speaker 3: join projects and as a producer most of the time
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  Speaker 3: or what have you, you and it's and it goes
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  Speaker 3: through these cycles where it's like f ok, We're feel
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  Speaker 3: like we're putting something together and then it falls apart.
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  Speaker 3: Then we're gonna put it back together again, and then
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  Speaker 3: it falls apart. And then that's why people get so
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  Speaker 3: burned out in this industry, because it's so much like
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  Speaker 3: it's it's one step forward, one step back. Yeah, Usually
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  Speaker 3: you don't get anywhere, you know, Yeah, and then you
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  Speaker 3: start going, well, god damn, you know, we we've wasted
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  Speaker 3: a year. And and and then also on the flip
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  Speaker 3: side of that, I've been a part of projects where
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  Speaker 3: a few years ago I actually swore off producing other
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  Speaker 3: people other people's projects because as I was getting I
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  Speaker 3: was putting all this together, spending all this time, and
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  Speaker 3: the person was getting cold feet, the person who was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, gonna direct this. And I said, I don't
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  Speaker 3: tolerate that stuff. I said, I, if you're not one
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent into it, I should not care about this
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  Speaker 3: project more than you should like you you know, you know,
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  Speaker 3: And and because it was his thing, and eventually we
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  Speaker 3: I just I just bowed out. And then we had
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: a band falling out, and he blamed me for for
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: the project falling apart. And I said, I told you,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: you know, I told you this is going to happen
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: if I left. You know, I need you to be
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: all hands on deck. You know, it needs you to
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: be one hundred and ten percent into this. You know
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: it just and it's happened before too. I mean, there's
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: numerous projects I've been involved with where something like that
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: has happened, and it's not an isolated incident. And finally,
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: I just say, you know what, why am I even
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: doing this? You know, what's the point of all of this?
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: You know? And then you know, I decided to start
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: a podcast, which was another bad idea, and now here
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: I am Ron. I'm so far deep. I can't stop
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: no man.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: But and it's because you know why, Matt, Because you
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: know you're bringing strong value add to the community that
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: you love. And I totally agree, man, if you're not
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: all in, and let me speak to that for a second,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: because I believe, you know, tonight's talk is about like
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: the twenty percenters, the twenty percenters that are really going
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: to make it happen.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: I kind of believe. And I don't mean this this
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: arrogantly or to.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Devalue all the people out there wanting to do film,
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: but I want to esteem the filmmakers, those that have
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: done it all right, that have completed a film, because
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: it is difficult to finish a film, the try and
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: true you know again school of hard knocks, filmmakers that
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: have to get out there and grind it out because
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: there is a lot of hurdles and again, the film
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: will fight you. And there's a lot of people that
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: simply just talk, you know, they they are not going
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: to follow through. This has to be about the doers.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: If I can do anything and do you a favor tonight,
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: it would be to try to deter you. If you're
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: not all in, then you shouldn't try to dip your
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: toe in the water. I talked to look, actors, act writers, right.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: I talk to actors and they'll say, because that's the
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: lens that I wear. That's how I got into this
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: whole thing is through the vehicle of acting. And I say,
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: you know, are you acting right now? And they go no,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: I'm not okay, Well are you doing shorts or plays? No? No, no,
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: I just do features. When was the last feature you did?
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Oh well that was five years ago. So well you're
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: not really that serious then, because it should should should
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: breathe within you, ignite something in you so much that
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: you have to go and do it, and it doesn't
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: matter if you're doing it on stage or for a
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: short or on a feature film. Actors act or I'll
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: see actors they'll fire off one email and and wonder
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: why people aren't getting back to them, or why it's
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: not happening for them, or they don't seek a manager out,
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: or they're not doing these these other things.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: And they you know, you need to go beyond.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Just the simplicity of things and do your passion. You're
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: calling and if it's not a calling, then you know
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: there there might be other things that you can do
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: to be a part of it. And this is another
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: thing that that a acting professor told me that is
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: is hard to hear, but I believe his wisdom, and
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: he says, sometimes we'll be right.
• 19:59
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  Speaker 2: to the show.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: If a person's not getting cast, that's the industry speaking
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: to you.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: And I know that's hard to hear. I know that's
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: hard to hear. But if you're not getting cast over
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: and over and over and over again, and you're still
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: trying to do the same thing without take trying to
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: level up, taking a class or getting a manager or
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: securing things. Then you got to wonder why, right, I mean,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: isn't that the definition of insanity. There's a lot of
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: other ways that you can be involved with filmmaking. And
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: that's another thing that I think, as INDI's we need
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: to do is never see yourself just as one thing.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: You're never just an actor, You're never just a writer
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: or just a crew member. You know, do we do
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: this thing collaboratively and there's usually one person that kind
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: of spearheads it and takes it on and then we
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: all get to live out our callings and our passions.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: But if we could all just leave ego aside for
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: a moment, I believe that all of us could all get.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: What we wanted. You know. I find it funny that
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: there's a bunch of indie filmmakers that I know, and
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: each of them kind of know a few not major investors,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: but they know like someone that could give ten thousand
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: here or fifteen thousand there. And I'm like, guys, gals,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: you know, if we all just came together, we got
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: about one hundred and fifty grand here, and nobody want
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: They all want to do their project, and then I'm
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: saving that person for my own project.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: And so years and years go bys when nothing getting.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Done, and so this year, you know, kind of like you,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm trying to produce my own stuff. You know. Now,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: I will say, hey, I'm always up for looking for
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: the right project, you know, to come along to, maybe
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: to jump in and be a part of.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: But it needs to be the right project. You can't keep.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Doing stuff for free, you know. So yeah, I mean
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: it's it's a challenge and we should be going beyond
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: that challenge and not expecting, you know, an easy road.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: You know. It's another thing that I see a lot.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: It's usually a rate of revolved around working out. But
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: when you when you hear the Rock and Mark Wahlberg,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: you know, I hear a guys saying, well, if I
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: had their money, I would look like that too, And
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: you know, I laugh, right these guys if you've seen
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: really you know, drill down and got to see some
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: intimate interviews with those guys and others too. You know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: both of them get up at four a m. In
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: the morning and go work out for like several hours.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: They eat like extremely strict and these guys are just
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: they're not They're beyond passionate. It is a calling for them,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: and it's why can they continue to work? And we
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: should use that as an inspiration to level up ourselves
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: and to go the distance. I don't know that we
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: need to do more, because again that's as Americans, that's
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: what we keep telling ourselves, like, man, I just I'm
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: not doing enough. I gotta do more.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: I gotta and you white knuckle it and try to
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: force it into success.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: And I don't know that that's right. What I think
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: you have to do is the right thing, and you
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: got to keep doing the right thing.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But you know, as you mentioned, you know, going
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: to sleep, you know, nine ten o'clock at night. You know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: I was going to ask Ron, you know what time
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: do you wake up in the morning, because I know
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: I've read a book, you know, last year that was
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: just completely life changing and it's called Extreme Discipline. Yeah, Josh,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I mean tell you, it's absolutely a life changing book,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: and I wanted to ask, you know, what time do
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: you do up in the morning?
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: All right, So, first of all, Dave, I listened to
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: that podcast that you mentioned that book. I went out
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: and got that book as a result to your podcast
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: and read it and You're totally right. It is completely
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: like life changing. Jacko and Leaf are just phenomenal warriors.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: But I try to get up at six, and you know,
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: one of the things that they talk about in the
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: book of Course is don't hit that snooze button. You know,
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: don't don't give in hit that snooze button, because that's
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: one of the great things great leaders do is you
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: you get up.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: They don't waste the minute. So it's not like, you know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: they need more.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: They're gonna do what they can within the a lot
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: of time, and they're gonna just suck every nutrient out
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: of that time slot that they have. So I've been
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: trying to get up at six, and you know, I
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: do try to get my workouts in, and I do
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: have a nine to five. So I go to work
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: and I'm getting home around you know, six thirty, and
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: then I have dinner with the family and I have
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: family time, you know, that is a priority for me,
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: and then I'm back in front of the computer. We
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: start getting them down, the kids down about eight thirty,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: and then I'm in front of the computer from you know,
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: let's a nine to ten or eleven. Now some days
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: I'll get motivated, and I'll wake up at uh not often,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: but I will wake up at like four if I
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: really want to get some writing done. But I don't
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: know that I'm.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: Like a a great writer.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: I'm just tenacious and I know I'll get a draft
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: done and get out there so that someone can basically
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: rewrite rewrite me. You know, rewriting is the easy part.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: But anyways, I I am trying to do that. I
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: don't always get it right, but I do seek value
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: in what they're doing in that book on so many levels.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: Extreme ownership, taking ownership over things.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: And certainly that's one of the things that I'm talking
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: about about leveling up, is that you know this is.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: Your life and don't live it passively.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: No one's gonna come up and hand you something to
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: give you something, and it doesn't mean you've got to
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: go in and break the doors down and the barriers
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: down and all that stuff. Because you know, one of
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: the things that that I had to wrestle with is
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: do you realize that only two percent of people in
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: SAG are doing acting full time? Or what about you know,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: I can it to professional football? How many athletes hoped
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: that they would end up in the in the NFL
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: and yet didn't make it in the NFL. Several people
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: that I played football with growing up with I thought
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: were going to go on and and the ones that didn't,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: uh uh, you know, I I was just shocked about.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: And yet did their did their life end? Did their
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: life have no meaning? You know? And the and the
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: answer is no. I'd like to point out, you know,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: the Rock didn't make it into the NFL, and he
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: pivoted and turned it into something pretty powerful, right, you know,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: pretty pretty successful. And so this thing called film. One
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: of the things that I want to caution people out
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: at is trying to do it at any cost. Cause again,
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: many times you're not the one paying that cost. A
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: lot of times it is your family paying that cost.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: So you know, it shouldn't be at your peace, your contentment.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: And that's something at forty five I definitely have learned
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: is learned that life is the journey. Contentment is done
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: in the process of filmmaking, not necessarily the end result.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Because once I'm done with one film, I'm ready to
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: go on to the next film. And if I never
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: make a studio film, if Ron nukeomb never does that,
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: am I okay with that as long as I get
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: to tell stories and I get to have a conversation
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: into storytelling, then I'm okay with that, and my contentment
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: no longer in my peace and my joy doesn't have
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: to come from that. But I got to tell you, man,
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: you know, for the longest time I was feeling I
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: was trying to white knuckle it and force my way
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: into success and trying to make it happen. And success
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: was very, very defined in a very particular way, and
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: you know, I had to realize that that's not what
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: life's about. It isn't what it's about. And so yeah,
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm trying to take ownership on leveling up
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: to that, to that next next filmmaking level.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: It will. And that's the thing too, is not only
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: just extreme ownership in the fact that you know, hey,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: whatever happens to us, you know, we have to own that,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: we have to own these responsibilities. But also it's just
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: about you know, toughening up. Because one of the things
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: that I was getting, you know, a real bad habit
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: of was whenever something would happen, I would just lose
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: my shit. I would just go, oh my god, another roadblock,
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: another problem, and I started to realize. I was like,
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: you know what, I if I just were accept the
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: fact that there's going to be problems, I think I
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: would be able to if I go in there expecting
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: it to be a do you know what I mean,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: like expect the worst, to prepare for the worst, expect
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: the best. So if I went in there and did that,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: it wouldn't be such a problem, you know what I mean.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: And it's just like that that's what I do nowadays.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: It just feels like half the time in I feels
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: like I don't know about you, Ron, it just feels like,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: forget about there not being enough hours in the day.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Well we all say that. I just feel that it's
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: almost like the days are getting so shorter where it's
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: like you wake up, you pound coffee, you go to work,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: you just work through lunch, you come home and then
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: you got obviously you're still answering your cell phone or whatever,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: you're what you're allowed to have, answering emails, and then
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: as soon as all of a sudden, everyone wants to
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: talk to you as soon as you get into the door,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: and then it's like you know, six seven, eight at night,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: and it's like all right, well, I have now about
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: an hour and to be by myself to work on
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: this thing. You know, does that happen to you?
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Oh man, I mean all the time? I mean yeah.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: I think that is definitely a lot of the tenacious
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: effort that a indie filmmaker.
• 29:57
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  Speaker 4: Has to find within them the fortitude to be able
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: to kind of carry on. And I think it's important
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: to answer that why. You know, what is your why?
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: To understand your why, because again, if you can be
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: talked out of this crazy thing, you should be. Now
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: that doesn't mean you won't make your little forty eight
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: hour film hour, you know, film projects and have fun
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: telling some stories. But I'm talking about truly trying to
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: make independent filmmaking as of a full time vocation, because
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: it takes a full time effort and a lot of times,
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: you know, the world doesn't have to respond, it doesn't
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: have to reply to you, and so it can be
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: a challenge out there. And yet we know though that
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: when it does. There's a reason why we are so
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: tenacious is that there's beauty in the end result of
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: what we create. And I got to tell you I
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: love the filmmaking collaboration process too. I love working with
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: other artists and you know, it's kind of like Zorg
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: and Fifth Element. If you remember that scene when he
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: drops the glass and then all these little things start
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: to come out and clean up the glass. You know.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: I was also I was a cop for a little
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: while Dave here in Alexandria, Virginia, and there was one
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: person on the squad that would usually go out and
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: get the rest of the squad into something, and that
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: guy was me. You know, I was going out trying
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: to be the one of like, all right, let's go
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: find some you know, somebody selling drugs or doing something wrong,
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: you know, and we can get into to deter or
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: protect this city. And you know, as a filmmaker I
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: kind of carry that same mantra into into what we're doing,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: is that it be the one to do the film
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: project because that in of itself creates opportunities. But trying
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: to do it at this other second tier, this other level.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: You know, again, we're not newbies, and yet we're not
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: we're not able to do it potentially one hundred and
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: ten percent full time all the time, just yet and
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: so we have this balance that we have to take on,
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: and I do believe that you also have to find yourself.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Just like the filmmaking process is collaborative, life is collaborative.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: Life is not meant to be a solo sport. Neither
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: is filmmaking.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: And when you're feeling that way, you got to be
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: able to reach out, you know, you got to be
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: able to reach out to others and to remind you
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: of that dream. And so when people are doing filmmaking
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: and isolation, that is such a mountain to climb. I'm
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: not saying that people can't do it, but I'm certainly
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: not wired that way. I'm not a one man shop
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: where I write film at it, you know, color sound
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: as I'm not that type of filmmaker. I like the
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: collaborative part. And yet I also liked you like you, Dave.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: I've lost friends along the way, brother, You know, I've
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: lost friends along the way for not being clear enough
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: or frankly taking extreme ownership over things, and have unfortunately
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: wiped out on a few dreams. I was on a
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: feature film and our ROI, you know, our return didn't
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: come back the way we all necessarily wanted to. And
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: then next thing, you know, you know, fingers started to
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: get point and people leave. I've been on other projects
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: where expectations weren't laid out, and you know, people stopped
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: doing or working in an efficient enough manner to where
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: someone that thought they were secure, you know, wasn't. And
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: these are hard things to have to live out. But
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: if you know your why then and you have around
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: you surrounded yourself with like minded people that know what
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: you're going through, And I think that's that's the deal,
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: right is you have to be able to find people.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: One of the challenges I think people are trying to
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: do as filmmakers is level up so far that the
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: person they're trying to reach out to is such at
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: a high level that the likelihood of them joining you
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: on your project is not likely. So find someone who's
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: at your level or maybe just slightly above you, right, yeah,
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: maybe don't swing for the fences in that context for
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: a partner. Find people that are doing like mindedness. You know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: I think you and I are are kindred spirits that way.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: And again that list I gave earlier, Tom Scott, Ashley,
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Alex Jason, you know, the other Jason Buff. You know,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: all of us are are We're rowing, man, We're rowing hard,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: you know, because we know our why. And you know,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: I think the best thing I could do for you guys,
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: Like I said, Man, I would love to be able
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: to call you guys up and be like, hey, guys,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: I got funding. We're rolling, we're rolling cameras, man, you know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: do the podcast live on set here we're making a movie.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: I think it gets to a point where that's the
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: best gift that I can I can give people. And
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: when those moments do get tiresome and tight, and it's
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: you know, it's I'm ready to go to bed and
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: I and I'm trying to get a few more pages
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: checked off the script, it's it's pulling back to those things.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: And you know, again, it is finding contentment in the process,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: finding contentment and grabbing a beer with some friends, you know,
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: and hanging out or talking shop, you know, or talking
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: movies because it is such a passion that we all have.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Well, well, Ron, if you get funding for your movie,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: I'll do the podcast on set. But at that point
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I'd be like, hey, look, Ron, I'll come back to
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: produce the thing. Let's just do it that one.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: Let's do it. Yeah, I like it man now, you know,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: and you know, be a doer man, Be a finisher.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: There's so many filmmakers that again that call themselves filmmakers
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: and they haven't finished anything. They've wiped out, you know,
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: be a finisher, you know. I think that's why, frankly,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: Kickstarter has become such a challenge for all of us filmmakers.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: We kind of did it to ourselves. We didn't finish
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: and do things and come in on promises of different things,
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: and so people are like, you know, you know, I'm
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: not given to that or now. Granted, the life cycle
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: of a film is long. It always is, you know,
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Like I said, the average for me has been five
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: to seven years. I mean, we all saw Giama del
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Torre get up there and accept his award and they
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: were like raising the music up, you know, and you
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: heard what he said. He was like, hey, guys, it
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: took me twenty five years to get up here. Give me,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: give me a little grace here, give me a moment
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: to speak, you know. And I just was like, yes, right,
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: because everyone thinks it's an overnight success and it's not,
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: and yet people do it. But I know I have
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: a thing where when I first started to try to
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: get into filmmaking. It was right after the Marine Corps
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: that I was trying to get on a set. Now
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: this is pre digital, right, so this is you know,
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: a good time ago, and no one would even let
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: me come in and just you know, get work for
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: free or come on and grab coffee or you know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: like a pre pa almost. And I told myself, Man,
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: if I ever get a set that, I'm not going
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: to do that. So if people are willing to come
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: on now you don't you know, there's no passive viewers
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: on my set, you're going to work. But I want
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: to create opportunities. That's what I get jazzed about. That's
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: why I got into the whole film education component of it,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: you know, with the podcast and Scott does a super
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: job over at Film Trooper there is I really do
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: believe that opportunities and storytelling is what we all want
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: to do.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: And that's the best gift that we can give each other.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Because if I'm doing a project and you're doing a
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: project and then you hire me, you know, and.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: Then it it all works.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: And I know we see this and frankly, it's just
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: difficult to raise capital. You know, it's difficult to raise
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: the amount of money you need, and there's no guarantees
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: out there. But I do believe that we could do
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: better by each other. I do believe that.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you mentioned too, the people that don't finish
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: and Kickstarter. You know, I've donated to a shit ton
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: of kickstarters, and I started to realize a lot of
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: these filmmakers just stopped the communication process. And I actually
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: got really really burned out when this guy that I
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: knew donated, like Tony, I've actually raised like twenty grand
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: to make a short film and he never did it,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: and he never did anything with it, and people were like, hey,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: where the hell happened to the money, you know, twenty
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars, Like what did you do with this? He
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: took down his Facebook and I've never heard from him since.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: And yeah, a lot of people have been burned by
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: stuff like that.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you know, I have a project out
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: there that the whole goal of the project was to
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: level up the project, and part of me doing this
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: event is part of that fulfilling that mission. Is that
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: now I've had some good meetings, but I didn't sign anybody.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: So I've been trying to knock on doors with managers
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: and producing partners, and we have a short of it
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: out there that we did as a result of it.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: It's a little like twelve minute, twelve and a half
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: minute thing. We put it out on Facebook and we
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: have over three hundred thousand hits on it, but I've
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: yet to kind of been able to take it to
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: the next level. It's this steampunk western sci fi, very
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: a lah firefly fans and got some nice traction with it,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: but nothing. You know, people got to write checks, right,
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the stuff that gets it produced. So no,
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: I hear people all the time talking about Kickstarter, wearing
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: it where we are in a funny kind of a we'll.
• 40:02
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• 40:08
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• 40:11
  Speaker 4: That way with how to do financing and raising capital
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: and then just how long it takes, you know. That's
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: the other thing is setting people's expectations. Now, I will
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: say I used to not do shorts, and you know
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: what happened, Dave years went by and I did nothing.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: I didn't film anything, and so I went from not
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: liking shorts, and frankly it was because you couldn't monetize them.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: So now I really like shorts because as filmmakers, if
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: as an artist, we know that ten thousand hours, you
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: know it constitutes you to technically be an expert. At
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: what point are you going to get your ten thousand
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: hours in? You know it? Filmmaking is one of the
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: few things that you got to knock it out of
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: the park your very first film. So I think, you know,
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: put it in the context of Kickstarter, if filmmakers just
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: got it finished, that there's value in that saying something.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of films that I have
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: on my website, the Ford Studios dot com. If you
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: go to the Ford Studios, there's a lot of shorts
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: out there that they it didn't turn out exactly the
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: way I had written it. And we all know as filmmakers,
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: you know it's made during writing, filming, and editing. And
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: there's some out there that I look at and I cringe,
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: But I think of, you know what, that's my ten
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: thousand hours, and I'm putting in those are my ten
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: thousand hours. You got to get out there and film something.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: You got to get out there and tell a story.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: That's how we're going to get better and nobody's going
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: to come up and just give you the opportunity to
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: go and do it. You know. Spielberg and Lucas, those
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: things are rare, you know, and luckily they hit it
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: out of the park. There were plenty of opportun unities
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: for them to wipe out and they were able to
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: do it. So I'm trying to level up not just
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: with opportunities, but to also every year get out and
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: do what I call an intentional epic short film. This
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: is one that is an intentional film something I can
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: do in a weekend because then when you ask people
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: to do it for free, when you're doing a short,
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: they can sprint two days. So basically I can film
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: about five pages a day, so that's about a ten
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: minute short. What can we do with the resources that
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: we have around here? And I tend to focus on
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: fantasy and sci fi, and so that's what I try
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: to do, are these intentional epic short films. And I
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: treat my sets professional so that when we do get
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: the feature, you know, we've got people ready to go.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: I've vetted crew that way, I vetted actors that way.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: It's a really good way to do something.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: And we talked about this too on Facebook, where people
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: will say things like you know, maybe you know if
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: you if you do something wrong, I'll try to show up.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Or they'll say things like, hey, when you're doing when
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: you're casting, make sure you remember me and and and
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: you and I were laugh at about that. Yeah, And
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: because because you hear all the freaking time, you're like, well,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: well you're going to try to show up? What the
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: hell does that mean? Yeah? I don't even know what
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: that means. I honestly don't. You're either going to show
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: up or you're not. And when people say things like hey,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: remember when you're casting, remember to reach out to me,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: it's like, really, like I have to? Should I? Should
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: I go pick you up? Too? I once had that
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: I wanted an actor who actually asked me if I
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: could pick him up for auditions for to audition for
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: me and they and I said, are you fucking crazy?
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, what the hell I mean? It's
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: it's just unbelievable. By the way, ron I cursed a
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: lot on this show, So I'm sorry.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a fan. I've heard you before, brother Mark.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: OK, all right, good, it's Phil It's Philly. I It's like,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: you know, we we curse. It's like in a Chris
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: A story where some some people's fathers using paint. Well,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: we use curse words here as some other fathers use paint.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: But but I mean, you know, I see I didn't
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: know that run, you were of a marine, you were
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: a police officer. See, I didn't know any of that
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: stuff til now.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, man, And you know I gave all that up.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: And that's kind of my you know, my own personal
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: point when I'm sitting there at night and I'm you know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: again looking back over things. So I'm like, Ron, you
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: didn't give up those things great career paths to stop now,
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: to wipe out, to quit. And I do believe that,
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: you know, I believe in a higher power. And then
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: I'm called to filmmaking and the world needs to hear
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: our stories. The world needs the lens the voice that
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: we can give it. You know, filmmaking immortalizes, mortalizes you
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: and the story itself.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: And so I want to have a conversation in that.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: So so yeah, you know, I'm hoping those the things
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: that experiences that I've had and things that I've given
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: up will hopefully parley into filmmaking and my storytelling. But
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: you know it doesn't necessarily have to. There's that other
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: side of sounding a little contradictory. You know. It's funny
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: we as America Americans, we're graduating people from college at
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: an alarming rate with film degrees, with the expectation that
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: there's all these great opportunities out there. And I'm seeing
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: young people all the time graduating and I'm like, wow, man,
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: they've really kind of set them up, you know, because
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: it's just a money thing for the school, not just
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: and not all schools. I mean, there's some great film
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: programs out there, but there's you know, point a school,
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: point to a school, and I'll show you a film
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: program I guarantee is there. And it's because they just
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: saw an opportunity to monetize, not an opportunity to really
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: teach people the craft of telling story. Now, I do
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: think there's a strong place for film school. It's a
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: great way to meet your peers, people that are serious
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: and are aim for it. You're gonna find your your
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: peer group, and it's a great way to get gear
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: and other and other people. But when I watch a film,
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: nobody knows if you're uh graduated from film school or
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: not right. Nobody knows if I was a copper marine, nobody,
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: nobody knows any of that. It's whether or not they
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: liked it or didn't like it. And like I said,
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: there's several shorts that I look at and I go, yude,
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: that wasn't wasn't my best work. But that doesn't mean
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: you're like, ah, you know what, I'm not a filmmaker then,
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: And if that can deter you, it should, and do
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: it early. And you know they say fail fast, fail often, right,
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: if you can fail and get out of.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: It, do it.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: But if it's got you, if I'm the if you're
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: the twenty percent, and you know who I'm talking about,
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: if it's got you like it does Dave and I,
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: there's nothing going to stop you anyway. So the best
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: thing I can do is equip you and then create opportunity.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And also to what I'm doing this year, Ron
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: is I'm actually exploring the other mediums too, And and
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: what I mean by that is, I'm not just you know,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: and obviously doing the podcast and obviously doing film stuff,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: but I do want to release a graphic novel this year.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: I'm actually putting I don't want to I know I
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: talked about last year and a few people actually followed
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: up and said, is are you still doing that? And
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: I said, yes, yeah, I still I'm gonna I have
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: I'm putting all my ducks in a row. Let's just
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: call it like, let's just say that. And so I
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: am going to use Kickstarter, probably just to get a
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: little bit of seed money if if necessary. Otherwise I
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: would just find it out in my own pocket. But
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: I mean just getting you know, used to being a storyteller.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Because I was talking to a couple different people who
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: are out in sun Dance right now, and they were
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: were just talking about different things, and they said, basically, now,
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: if you and Iron or were to write a specscript,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: that's where you would go with it, because basically, you know,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: all Hollywood wants to do is make superhero movies. And
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: you kind of start to realize, like, you know what
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: it's it's all you know, existing properties where they're Marvel,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: d C, Star Wars, Disney whatever, and the actual movies
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: that are made from original scripts, they hardly have replace
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: And if you and and I'm not really sure by
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: the way, but I'm gonna go look through the number
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: one movies at box offices, and just to see what
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: was a what was a based on an actual existing property,
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: and what was completely original and new. Because but I
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: already know what's going to be the majority is going
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: to be a existing property.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: No, there's no doubt about it. And I'm glad you
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: said that, man, because that is something that I learned
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: to kind of change the lens, is that I'm not
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: just a filmmaker. When I was really trying to drill
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: down of my why, what's my why? I really figured
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: out I'm a storyteller. That's really what I am. So
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: I too, I remember you've talked about it a few
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: times on some previous podcast about the graphic novel potential.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: So this year I have teamed up with a local
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: DC area comic con called All Star Comic Con, and
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: I'm like their filmmaker lead guy. And one of the
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: reasons I did that is the guy that one of
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: the guys that runs at Kevin He's a phenomenal artist.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: So as a as a payout, I was like, Hey,
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: would you be willing to do a comic for me
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: for my steampunk Western And He's like, yeah, let's do it.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: So I have that comic coming out this year hopefully,
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: and I definitely have another one around. I did this
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: fantasy called The Rangers, and it's very much like you
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: know it sounds. It started from when you see Eric
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Gorn and Lord of the Rings sitting in the inn
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: at the Prancy Pony and he puffs on the pipe
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: and it's like, who are these Ranger guys? Well, let's
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: take that idea and kind of run with it and
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: created my own ip in a completely different world. But
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: it's hard not to get compared to Tolkien when you
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: do a fantasy. But I have a sixty minute pilot
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: that I did and then a different cut.
• 49:57
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• 50:04
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• 50:07
  Speaker 4: And have done some web series, some shorts around that.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: I've teamed up with some other guys, some guys called
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: on Instagram called Fell and Fair and anyways, I'm doing
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: a comic around The Rangers as well. So there's a
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: term called transmedia. Have you heard of that day of transmedia?
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Yes? I have?
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know that right. What it really means,
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: and it's pure definition, is how you view stuff over
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: different platforms like your iPad and your phone and your
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: tablet and you know, but I the indies are defining
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: that even further to say that trans media also means
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: how many ways my story's getting out there. So I
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: have the script, I've got the graphic novel. I've got
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: the novel, the comic, the video game for the Rangers.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: We did a card game. I've got a board game
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: that I'm coming out with the Rangers. So it's the
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: same story and IP and these different mediums, these different platforms,
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: and I just find that fascinating. Man, I'm super excited
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: about all those ways. And I agree I too. I
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: would say am a storyteller, you know.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: And you mentioned college to Ron, and I have to
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: kind of take a step back just to go into that.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: You know, when I see all the filmmakers, the film majors,
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: and I sit there and I think, if I was
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: going to run a film school, what I would do
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: is this. I would not first off, in your freshman year,
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: you'd be given a camera, no ensits or butts about it,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: like you got to make it. Where I used to
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: work and I and forced to teach, they didn't give
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: you a camera until your senior year. And I said
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: to the teachers, who obviously nothing about any of this stuff,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: I said, do you not realize that this is like
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: completely counterintuitive, like their senior sam projects is when you're
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: finally putting a camera in their hands, there's senior sam projects.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Let me it was madness, Ron, it was And then
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: they finally all I mean, all the kids were like,
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: if it wasn't for Dave, we would not know anything
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: about any of this stuff because it was all theory based.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: It was all you know, it was all you know,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: complete fluff. So anyways, I if I was doing it
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: freshman freshman year, you'd be given a camera bar none
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: and I would show you movies that you could make
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: and how to improve from them. Because here's the here's
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: the rub with all them. If you go to a
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: film school, they show you these big budget films and go, oh,
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: look at this movie, blah blah, it doesn't matter because
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Ron their donut budget. It's bigger than any budget you're
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: gonna have for the next ten years. Right so and
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: so they have a huge army. You don't have that luxury.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: You got to show them movies that they could go
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: out right now and make. And you see what they did,
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: This is what you shouldn't do. And you know, if
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: we talked about the film school kind of tropes and
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: the film student kind of tropes, let me just let
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: this label a couple. So, I mean, I'll start us
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: off if you like, Hey, actors against the White Wall
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: or actors against the Bland Wall, you know what I mean?
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: How they do that.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: They do a lot of close ups and they started
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: on an alarm clock going off the whole black and
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: white thing, you know what I mean, and it's just yeah,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: it goes on and on and it's just that type
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: of stuff. I mean, if you wanted to make a
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: laugh of a movie, hey, go for it, my man.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: But you know what I mean, Ei, there's so much more.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: And that's one of the things I would do is
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: you can make these movies. And that's what you're here for,
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: is to learn how to make a movie.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: You're not here to learn.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: How to work on a big budget movie because you don't
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: need to go to school for that. You can get
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: a job as a PA and be right as rain.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: No, I mean, I've been working on this book for
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: like five years.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: And the reason I started writing this book is because
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: I found that there's a niche specifically that's kind of
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: wide open about the business of indie filmmaking is not
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: taught at colleges, and it just baffles my mind. I agree.
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: I think I would add to not only do they
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: get a camera, which.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: I love that idea. I think that's exactly right, is
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: that they should have a business plan by the time
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: they're they're graduating. You know, they should know how to
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: do a complete business plan, and they should know the
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: business around it, how to go and raise capital, how
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: to I get so many questions about that, like how
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: did you raise the money and where do you go
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: and how legally? I mean, there's a whole legal parameter
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: you got to be be careful of of how you
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: go about doing that. And I know, like a lot
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: of these uh these other are are counterparts, are are
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: doing that, are teaching those things.
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: But yeah, you know, you wonder sometimes.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: What these what they're doing at at college, what what
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: they're they're teaching. And it is a lot of theory
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: not wrong in and of itself, but look at you know,
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: one of the most famous that didn't go to film school,
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: of course, Quentin Tarantino, right, and that dude is a mastermind.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: So he's self taught himself all the theory and you
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: can just see the passion that he has for film
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: and film history and film that you know, French film,
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: and he's he knows it right. So there's a there's
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: a place for it. But if I'm paying twenty grand
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: a year, is that at the end of it. What
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: I'm hoping to get out of it is to impress
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: my friends at a some party that I can tell them, Oh,
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: that's the French you know, new age film. No, it's hey,
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: you know I finished the film, I got it funded,
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: I would raise money for it, and it's coming out
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: in two months. You know, please be there.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's kind of like you ever see back to School?
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you remember when running Dangerfield is sitting in
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: class and then one teacher's like, this is how you
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: start a business and my Dangerfield goes, oh, you left
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: out a bunch of stuff, and the teacher goes, what
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: do you mean? He goes, well, first of all, the
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: concrete is is it going to be free? Because the
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: team's just gonna have Yeah, and there's this group and
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: we got to tell you who they are. They ain't
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: the boy Scouts and he's a mister Melon Mafia kickbacks
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: and underhanded bribes of like you do business, but not
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: how we do business here. But it's like Thornton's actually
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: he's a multi multi self made million there, and he's
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: telling you straight up how it is. And then this
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: professor is just you know, telling you, well, this is
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: what the book says it is, and this is what
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: the theory of it is. You know. Maybe it's because
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: I've worked at a college before, but I mean I've
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: become I'm sure as most people can tell, I've become
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: kind of a blase about college. The more I live
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: and the more i've i've especially working there at a college,
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: I just became very like, what's the point of all this?
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: You know, half the time you go out into the
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: real world quote unquote the real world and you don't
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: even need that degree that you got, and you spend
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: that money for you spend that money to become learned.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: But you're saying to.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Yourself that I have to spend one hundred thousand dollars
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: to become to learn how to learn or any of
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: that stuff. I mean, I could have just done it.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: And that's why I'm glad this podcast exists. I Mean, honestly,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: if I can help one person out and just say, hey, listen, Dave,
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to send my kid to college. I'm
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: just going to have him or her listen to your podcast.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: I'm going to set them up with the they can
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: use their phone to start off with, which is not
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: a bad idea at all, and just go from there
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: and start teaching themselves filmmaking.
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, this.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: Lecture is like I mean, I mean, this is like
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: a lecture. Every week you give a different personal on
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: and it's like a different teacher teaching you this stuff.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: And it's not theory based because every single solidary person
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: I've had on here has done still has done a movie,
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: still works in the movie business, and they and we
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: discuss how things are changing, what they grew up with,
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: how they made their movie. I mean, all this stuff.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: I mean there's in fact, this is probably what college
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: should be. Ninety percent application and then ten percent to
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: allow some kind of you know, philosophical theory if.
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: You'd like, Yeah, sign me up, man, where do I
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: sign me? I have a master's degree in counseling, and
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: you know I don't I don't even work in that field.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: So it's not that I dislike education and it sounds
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: like you're the same. It's it's what kind of education
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: like at the end of it, what am I getting
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: out of it? And that I believe you're spot on with. Man,
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: sign me up for that. I'll help teach that.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: I think in the next ten years run, I think
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: you're going to see a huge, huge downfall in a
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: lot of colleges. I think all of the I think
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: you're going to be left and in twenty years, if
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: even at that that, if even at that time, you're
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: gonna be left with two versions of college, your state school, sorry,
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: your your community colleges, which are probably going to be
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: now a two year I think bachelor's degrees they could
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: maybe stay at four, maybe they should be at two.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: And now the MicroMasters are becoming big and there are
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: a year long program instead of two years for a
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: normal masters. And then on the flip side of that,
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: you're going to have your big Ivy League schools. So
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: here's how they're both going to know. Everything between is
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: gonna go to shit. Everything you're in between is not
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: going to exist anymore. So if I said, hey, Ron,
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: I went to Gudger College, you know up in Tallahassee,
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: or whatever or down in Tallahassee. Rather that college isn't
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: gonna exist anymore. What's gonna happen is the community colleges
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: are paid for by the state, and they'll be fine.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: The Ivy League schools have already seen what's coming, and
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: they're already hedge funds that just dabble in education. They're
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: gonna be fine. And what you're gonna do is you're
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: gonna have everyone else who just goes you know what,
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: I'll go on to you, to me or even YouTube
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: and or con academy. I can learn all this stuff
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: for free or at most ten bucks, and then I
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: can test out if I even like it or not.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: I always tell kid, I say to people, if you
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: really are dead set on sending your kid to a college,
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: take a gap year, have them study you, to me,
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: a YouTube, whatever, and see if they even like the course,
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: or seeven even they even like that subject to devote
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: not only the rest of their lives but just the
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: next four years.
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  Speaker 4: To pursuing that.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: And if they decide they don't like it, hey, look
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: you're only out ten bucks. If they decide they do
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: like it. Hey, guess what, you're now ahead of the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: great game going into college when all these other kids
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: just blindly just went into a full force.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, absolutely, Matt. I think that's the time where
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: you can take risk. You know, if I was looking
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: back and was going to talk to my eighteen year
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: old self, you know, that would be the time I
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: would do a you know, try to do a film.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: I would pull people in and try to do it.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: I tell a lot of young filmmakers that are getting
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: ready to go to college that I would consider getting
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: a degree and let's say marketing, because that's you're basically
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: telling the story of a company. So there is some storytelling.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: Every marketing department now generally has an in house video department,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: and you set yourself up for a nice career path
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: that you can parlay the indie world and do filmmaking
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: on the side, versus you know, I've got a buddy
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: mine who went to film school, has a film degree,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: and he works at a motorcycle shop, and you know,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: not that that, and he loves motorcycles. But the point
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: is is that he's not doing with the very thing
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: he's set off to go to school to do as
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: most of us don't, you know. And I think there
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: is going to be a backlash. I totally agree, and
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: I think it's going to because all the alumni, as
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: they get older, they start thinking about you know, man,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: that didn't really help me out all them, but they're
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: going to be upset and bitter and they lose the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: alumni support, you know, And we know as filmmakers the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: crowd is a finny key bunch. But so goes the crowd,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: so goes the eyeballs. That's the power is in the crowd.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: And that's the one thing that no matter what you
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: do when you're trying to level up, that the studios
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: can't take away, like from US indies, is that we
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: have a voice just like anybody else. And if the
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: crowd goes with us, then we can do whatever we
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: want to do because because we've won the crowd, we've
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: got to stick together in this. It's and it's not
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: in us first them. It is a wei. It's a wei.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: And you know, speaking of the alumni association, like when
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: I had like, for instance, like Liz Manichelle on here
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: from Sundance Institute, we and I her and I talked
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: about that because the alumni association for a lot of
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: these colleges will only call you to ask for money.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: And they just call up and they say, hey, Ron, listen,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: you know, we see you're in film. Do you have
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: any internships you could give some of our kids, because
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: all they care about is the next incoming class of
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: fresh And what they do is, I don't know if
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: you know this, Ron, but once you become a sophomore
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: or once you get into essentially your third year what
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: is that, a junior or sophomore, junior, they essentially stop
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: caring about you because you're already your credits won't transfer.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: You're pretty far in. They got you, yeah, and then
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: once you become a senior, forget about They don't want
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: to do anything for you. And they always go, oh, well,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: the seniors don't care anyway. They just want to get
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: out of there. Well that's partly true anyway. So it's
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: kind of like a win win from the school because
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: they don't have to do anything they retain you. You
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: just want to get out of there. So a freshman,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: freshmen and sophomore, they're kissing your ass, they're doing all
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: this cool stuff. Oh yeah, we're the best college ever
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: because they want to keep you there so you can't leave.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: You see all the stuff I've learned from working at.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: Age may I see it, brother, I so see it.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: I'm hoping some young filmmakers will listen to this and
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: striking some winsdom Up. I've got a buddy of mine,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: Errol Avelino of Avellino Studios, and instead of going to college, man,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: he did what we were talking about. He went out
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: and just started film and stuff and he got really
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: good at film and stuff. And like I said, when
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: people watch this stuff, no idea whether or not he
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: went to film school or not.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. No one's ever gonna stop you from care. Yeah,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: And they're not gonna stop you and say, hey, ron
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: do you have did you have do you have a flagury?
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: No one goes with the care.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: They don't they're gonna say hey, do you have a
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: degree or do you have an MFA. I mean, it's
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: just it's just ludicrous, man. And I think that that
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: whole thing is going to go away very very fast,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: particularly with how things are moving in terms of technology
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: in business. I think if you're gonna get new skills,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: and that's the other thing too. I know, I'm sorry
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: everyone listening to this. I'm going off on a tangent here.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: But but but just just one more quick thing and
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: then I want to get to Ron. I want to
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: talk about this this seminar in DC. You know, I
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: think as we talk about well, you know, we we
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: don't invest enough. I hear people can constantly complain about this,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: well we don't invest enough in education. And I say,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, if we we already are like what two
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: trillion dollars in debt from studid loan debt, how much
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: more education do we freaking know, man, well we need?
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: I would say, you know what is if you if
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: people would be able to if you could actually teach
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: people how they learn, and and just try to make
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: it where if you were to take an online class
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: or something like that, and you'd be able to write
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: it off in your taxes, or or if you bought
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: a lot of books you could write that off your
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: taxes in one way or another. That would solve the
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: problem right there, You wouldn't I always run, I always
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: cringe when somebody says the answer is more college, because
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: I just cannot agree with that.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, man, I like I mentioned already mentioned stage
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: thirty two.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: I think they're doing a lot of good and breaking
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: down barriers for us. And you know, in a lot
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: of times when you're talking college and you know a
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: lot of your listeners out there, they're thirty forty somethings,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: fifty something, they don't that's that's not an option anymore.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm not going back to college again to
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: get my degree in stuff. That's not an option. It's
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: these little one off, these little things. Or you know,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: I'm devouring podcasts all the time. You know, there's some
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: they yield some great information. So yeah, I think if
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: I'm training and I'm getting educated, that's what I think
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: we're after. But the institutionalized foundation of a college and
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: a structure of that it is, it comes off because
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: it is just a monetary ends to the means there.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really truly true. And uh, all right, everyone,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: I'll stop talking about college now, but Ron, I want
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: to I know we're starting to run out of time here. Yeah,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk about this seminar that you got going
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: on in YC.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: So again, I think it's an awesome idea. It's something
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: that I was trying to do a few years ago
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: that fell apart. But I mean, I wish you the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: best of luck with us, I really really do. And
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: so so you know, what are the dates for whereas
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: do you have everything? Yeah, down terms of vocation and stuff.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: I do. So we're gonna be at the Dullest Marriott
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: in Dulles, Virginia on August twenty fifth. You can go
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: to the Forge Studios dot com website and I'll least
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: have a link on that. I have the website ready
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: to go. I haven't launched it yet because I want
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: to get some fancy URL to make it easy to remember,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: and I haven't locked that in just yet, but you'll
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: certainly be able to go to the Forge and find it,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: and you can join my newsletter as well to kind
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: of get it. But the primary point of the event
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: is to take a proactive approach to I'm not in Hollywood,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: I'm not in LA and I'm not going to be
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: moving there. I'm from DC and I believe that I
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: have a voice in the space of storytelling that I
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: want to be able to do. But I can't take
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: this passive approach like somebody's going to come to me
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: and say, oh yeah, Ron, this is it. You know,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: I'm going to represent you. That rarely happens, and so
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: my goal of leveling up is to get an opportunities
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: to put filmmakers in front of managers that can represent them,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: particularly in the area of screenwriting and directing. So I'm
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: talking like you know that is your full time job,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: like legit job. There are management companies out there that
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: find work for you. That way is to pitch the managers.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: And then second would be these strategic producing partners. These
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: are production companies that have the relationships with the majors
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: and can work with them. They usually have distribution outlets
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: and they usually help with financing and securing talent. Get
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: your eyeballs in front of them. And then lastly is
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: to talk to investors, people that can write a check,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: that are credited investors. And we're going to do panels
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: of around five of them per section and then have
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: ten people are going to get up and pitch a
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: ninety second pitch for it. We're going to have a
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: huge networking event at the end of it, because hey, look,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: let's face it, you know, if your guys are working
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: on project, you got a project funded I want to
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: be a part of that and vice versa. You know,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: that's how we can all continue this, this filmmaking journey
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: together as a full time vocation. And so I've put
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: a networking opportunity the foods included in on it. You know,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: you can stay for the weekend and also hang out
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: where Stone Strow away from DC. But really it is
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: meant to create opportunity to not be passive and to
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: explore if this is an option, like can I secure
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: a manager? Can I find these proper producing partners and
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: to make it happen. And then it also sometimes we
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: just need a reason to get that business plan completed
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: or that script finished, or if you're not ready and
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: you just want to observe, you can still come and
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: you don't have to pitch, So you would come and
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: not be a pitcher. Only ten people are going to
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: get chosen to pitch anyways, and so you can sit
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: there and be a part of it. But you could
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: still network. You can still meet the people. You could
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: see what they're they're looking for.
• 1:10:02
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• 1:10:08
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• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: And I'll tell you this, Dave. Look, this is coming
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: out of my pocket, right, So if the crowd doesn't
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: get behind it, I've always said I'll give people what
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: I believe that they want, but if they don't want it,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: then that, you know, then I can't do it. So
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: if we don't get a minimum sign up, then the
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: event won't go forward. So it's kind of as simple
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: as that is that if people are like, man, I'm
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: digging this idea, let's do it, and they sign up
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: sign up early, there's definitely gonna be an early registration discount.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: But the point is is that if I can't get
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: these people and fly them in, then I'll have to
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: cancel the event. Anyways, but I'm really excited about this event.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: I do think that a lot of filmmakers, when I
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: start to talk to them about it and say what
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: do you guys think of this idea? Hands down, they
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: all are like, oh my god, why hasn't this happened before?
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: And I do believe in like La and New York
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: to some degree it has. But I want to do
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: it for US indies. DC areas of prime market. We
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: have a nice big airport so you can fly into
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: where a stone strow away from Philly, so you can
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: just come on down, Dave. And you know, there's a
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: lot of people in this whole region, this whole area
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: where there's no film we can't do. We have the people,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: we have the gear, you know, we have the desire,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: we have the passion. We just need the opportunity and
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: that's what I want to look to create.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely have to come down for this event,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: not only just because you know it's so close, but
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: also because it's just again, this is something that an
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: event I was trying to do years ago and it
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: just fell apart just for for a bunch of reasons,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: and it's kind of like this is like a make
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: good That's why I'm really really interested in this event.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Ron.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: As we were talking about this, is there like a
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: is there a website that that that like I could
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: go to.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: Yes, I'll definitely send you the link.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: But right now, if people went to the Ford Studios
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: dot com and got on my newsletter, I'm definitely gonna
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: have a link off that I do have the website,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: Like I said that it's ready. I just want to
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: get a very simplistic U r L. And that's what
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: I don't have right now, is the simple U r
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: L and then I'll make I'll make sure that I
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: that I get that out there as well.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: And when you do, Ron, let me know. Not only
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: will I put that in the in the show notes,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: I can always edit it later on, but I will
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: link to your your website in the show notes, and
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: also I'll promote that on on social media because there's
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: a lot of people on the East Coast who you know,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: you know, who follow the podcast so I'm from, and
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: anyone in the area too. I mean there's a there's
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: there's a ton of different people. But you know, Ron,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: I I see by the clock, we're actually out of time.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: I know you got to run, but as do I actually,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: But just in closing run, where can people find you
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: at online?
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the biggest thing is the Ford Studios dot com
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: and certainly you know I'm on Instagram and Twitter and Facebook.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: Those are definitely the areas to go. But if you
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: go to the Ford Studios, I've got some videos up
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: there as well. I've got a few things in the
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: work that I'm excited about. But you know, Dave, this
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: is our year, brother. No one's gonna come and hand
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: it to us. So if we could stick together, we
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: can make this thing happen. Man, I definitely appreciate you
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: allow me to come on and let me have a
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: voice on your podcast and people listening. And I do
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: hope people get fired up and excited, man, because I'm
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: ready to roll.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, I know what you mean, man, And it's it's
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: a do or die time. You know, one thing, if
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: you sit around talking about it, sometimes you get a
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: little blase and you talk yourself out of it, and
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: then then then you still talk about it and people,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: you know, you finally realize you I gotta do something.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: Either I gotta stop talking about it or I gotta go. Yes,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: you know, it's one of those things, man, you're here
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: that you know I had on really quickly. I just
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: want to make say one quick antidote antidote anecdote, not antidote.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: But I had on the Shaker Brothers and they did
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: the same thing.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: One one brother hit thirty five and he said, you
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: know what, I've been talking about making this move for years.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna wait anymore. And he actually quit his
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: day job and he actually they actually made the movie
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: and it's it's called col Christmas, and I actually want
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: had him on the show. I think they're like one episode,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: like one night, and it was just a hell of
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: an episode. Man, two Jersey guys they met, they got this,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: all that stuff in the movie. It's it's on Google Play,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: it's on Amazon, it's on iTunes. But yeah, yeah, and
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: that's what they did.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: They got tired of just sitting on talking about and
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: they went and they did the thing.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: Man. And that's right. Don't talk about it, be about it.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: That's right, that's true, man, Ron Nukem, thank you very much,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: so for good.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Dave, thank you Man. Great show.
• 1:14:59
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• 1:15:00
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