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The Rapture Clickbait Problem | The Week in Bible Prophecy · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: All right, what's going on, everybody. It is Tuesday night,
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  Speaker 2: August eleventh. We want to welcome you to Endtime Headlines.
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  Speaker 2: This is news and headlines from a prophetic perspective, and
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  Speaker 2: of course I'm your host, Ricky's Compared, the founder and
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  Speaker 2: the voice of Endtime Headlines, and guys, it is we're
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  Speaker 2: officially in the month of August, and what that means
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  Speaker 2: is we're on the precipice of entering into the high
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  Speaker 2: watch times of the year. Now we'll explain more about
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  Speaker 2: that in just a moment, but what I'm talking about,
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  Speaker 2: in a little bit of a synopsis of what we're
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  Speaker 2: going to get into, is we're heading into the fall
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  Speaker 2: feast of Israel, the major fall feast, the Feast of Trumpets, Rashashana, Tabernacles,
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  Speaker 2: Day of Atonement, and at least two of these major
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  Speaker 2: fall feasts that we will enter into every single year
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  Speaker 2: like clockwork. Guys, the Internet and social media is flood
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  Speaker 2: with individuals trying to make all of these calculations from
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  Speaker 2: Gomatra and from charts and from grafts and going back
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  Speaker 2: to the original texts, and these signs and the heavens
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  Speaker 2: and all these things so that they can convince you
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  Speaker 2: and whatever audience they use and whatever platform that they have,
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  Speaker 2: that they have somehow in some way defied all odds
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  Speaker 2: and has pinpointed the day and hour that the Lord
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  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ is gonna blow that show far and we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna hear that voice from over the banister of heaven,
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  Speaker 2: and they know that date of the rapture. So, guys,
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  Speaker 2: today we've got a very special treat for you. I've
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  Speaker 2: brought in two of my good friends here. They're also
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  Speaker 2: both with prophecy Watchers. Now, if for whatever reason, you're
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  Speaker 2: been sleeping under a rock for the last how many
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  Speaker 2: years and decades and you don't know what prophecy Watchers is,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna let these gentlemen introduce themselves and how you
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  Speaker 2: can keep up with their ministry.
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  Speaker 3: Good afternoon, guys, Thanks Ricky, thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 3: So Joe, why don't.
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  Speaker 2: You start introduce yourself and then and then Mondo you
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  Speaker 2: go next, and then we'll get after this thing today.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, thanks Ricky. Yeah, I'm with Prophecy Watchers. I
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  Speaker 4: help with the with the substack page over there and
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  Speaker 4: you know, I write a few articles for the magazine
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  Speaker 4: and do a couple of videos for him here and there.
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  Speaker 4: I'm the rookie, right, I'm the rookie when it comes
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  Speaker 4: to prophecy Watchers. So I'll let Mondo give all the
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  Speaker 4: dirty details as it pertains to prophecy Watchers, but you
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  Speaker 4: could certainly find out all of our information by going
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  Speaker 4: over to prophecywatchers dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are, uh, we are so glad to have Joe.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm it is uh. Joe has been a
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  Speaker 1: great addition to Propecy Watchers and all the things that
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  Speaker 1: he's doing and all the things that he does behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes that he won't tell you, but we're thrilled
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  Speaker 1: to have him. As you can see there. Our website
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  Speaker 1: is kind of the hub for everything that we do,
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  Speaker 1: and I would say our traditional on our website as
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  Speaker 1: well as our YouTube channel has been the main focus.
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  Speaker 1: But now, of course because of Joe's work, our substack
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  Speaker 1: page has been a phenomenal of outreach for people and
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  Speaker 1: the response has been great because there's so many things
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  Speaker 1: that you can do on substack, which has kind of
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  Speaker 1: been a dream for ours in so many ways, and
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  Speaker 1: not only to thank people for what they do, but
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  Speaker 1: also with videos and articles and a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 1: other ways to interact, commenting, and just I would say,
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  Speaker 1: what just a community, It's it's pretty amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys are gonna have to get my feet
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  Speaker 2: wet on substock. We don't have a substack and I
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  Speaker 2: have no idea what I'm doing on that, So one
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  Speaker 2: of these days you guys are gonna have to show
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  Speaker 2: me the ropes on that. But hey, I'm all about
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  Speaker 2: whatever methods that we can use to get the gospel
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  Speaker 2: out in these last days we need it, So all right, guys,
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  Speaker 2: So look, I wanted to bring you guys on. Look,
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  Speaker 2: as I said at the introduction of this, Joe, how
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  Speaker 2: many how long have you been in ministry?
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  Speaker 4: I mean with Prophecy Watchers? What eight months? I started
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  Speaker 4: with Prophecy Watchers at the beginning of this year. Prior
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  Speaker 4: to that, I've taught Sunday School probably for the past
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  Speaker 4: maybe ten years or so.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so almost eleven years total.
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  Speaker 3: Mondo.
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  Speaker 1: I started a ministry in nineteen ninety six, so thirty
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  Speaker 1: years now.
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  Speaker 2: It's twenty six for me, guys, twenty six June second
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  Speaker 2: was twenty six years for me, So you've got a
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  Speaker 2: lot of years here. So we've seen this come and go.
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  Speaker 2: I know you guys have seen this. And what I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking about is this this date setting, and it's nothing new,
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  Speaker 2: and it in fact, let me, I want to give you,
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  Speaker 2: guys just kind of open We're just gonna break the
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  Speaker 2: ice on this in regards to to how this has
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  Speaker 2: been going on. And I know, Joe, you've got some stuff.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna go way to the second century, I believe.
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  Speaker 2: But even if we was to bring modern times, nineteen
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  Speaker 2: eighty eight was a big one. There was a guy
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  Speaker 2: that wrote eighty eight reasons why Jesus Christ Will Return
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty eight. Well, obviously he was wrong. And
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  Speaker 2: what's funny about this, guys, is he what he made
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  Speaker 2: a revision on the book and he said, well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I was wrong on this, so then he tried it again,
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  Speaker 2: missed it again. And then another big date was the
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  Speaker 2: year two thousand. There was a lot of things that
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  Speaker 2: happened in two thousand, planetary alignments, cosmic signs. Then you
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  Speaker 2: had the Y two K thing, and for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 2: the body of Christ jumped on board with that and
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  Speaker 2: was like well, this is a sign of the end.
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  Speaker 2: The rapture is gonna happen. Surely it's gonna happen. In
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and some of these folks still have beans
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  Speaker 2: and non perishables. Still, they're still eating on this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty eleven came, you had Herald camping, y'all. Remember that
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  Speaker 2: May twenty first, twenty eleven, all the billboards, this is
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  Speaker 2: the date of the rapture and all this and that
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  Speaker 2: came and gone and it and then he come out
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  Speaker 2: and said why I missed it? And then he put
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  Speaker 2: another date out there. Then you had twenty twelve that
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  Speaker 2: came and and people jumped on the Aztec and the
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  Speaker 2: mind calendars and and again it's and then there was
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's. This has been going on, guys
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  Speaker 2: for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Joe.
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  Speaker 2: I know you again, you I know you told me
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  Speaker 2: you have some stuff fill us in on for And
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  Speaker 2: there may be somebody watching and think that, well, maybe
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  Speaker 2: this is just kind of a modern fad that's happened
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  Speaker 2: in the last twenty six years, but it's not or
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  Speaker 2: even further back in that, going back to eighty eight.
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  Speaker 2: But you got some fascinating information. This shows that This
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  Speaker 2: is no new thing of the sun. It's been going
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  Speaker 2: on for a long time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, It's been going on really since the birth of
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  Speaker 4: the church. I mean you go back all the way
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  Speaker 4: to the second century, you know, around one fifty six AD.
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  Speaker 4: I mean you had this guy that came around called Montanus,
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  Speaker 4: and then he created this you know, this following it
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  Speaker 4: was Montanism, and you can look it up. We can
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  Speaker 4: go into this. We could probably spend days talking about
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  Speaker 4: this this stuff right here, but check out Montanism because
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  Speaker 4: what he did was was he and I think it
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  Speaker 4: was too prophetess that he had with them. They would
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  Speaker 4: go around Asia Minor and they were trying to convince
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  Speaker 4: people that they were or that he himself was the
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  Speaker 4: embodiment of the Holy Spirit, that God had empowered him.
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  Speaker 4: And he was going around saying that Jesus was coming soon.
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  Speaker 4: And it's interesting because some of the techniques that reported
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  Speaker 4: that he used are some things that we still see today.
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  Speaker 4: Like he would he would fall into these uncontrollable utterances, right,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, do we see that happening today. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we absolutely do, and I mean it was happening and
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  Speaker 4: then now, of course, you know, I hold the position
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  Speaker 4: that that's definitely not something that's of the Holy Spirit.
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  Speaker 4: It's of a spirit, but not of the Holy Spirit.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean, even going all the way back then,
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  Speaker 4: we had this guy and he on he was trying
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  Speaker 4: to convince people that Jesus was going to establish the
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  Speaker 4: New Jerusalem while he was there during their time. And
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  Speaker 4: from all accounts that I've found out of about this guy,
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  Speaker 4: it seems like he died in disgrace, possibly even committed
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  Speaker 4: suicide because of his failed prediction. But me but he
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  Speaker 4: led a generation during the Second AD into this false
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  Speaker 4: prophecy that Jesus was in fact coming because he was
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  Speaker 4: given this direct you know, quote unquote direct revelation from
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  Speaker 4: God himself, when in reality, that's not how it worked out.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean, and throughout history we've seen other instance
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  Speaker 4: of this. I mean, you can go all the way
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  Speaker 4: back to you know, the nineteenth century. You know, you
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  Speaker 4: had a William Miller and the birth of the Miller Rights.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, these are things that have happened
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  Speaker 4: and have continued to happen throughout history. And of course,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm sure that we're going to get into it.
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  Speaker 4: The one that I guess is probably more on people's
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  Speaker 4: minds recently. Is last year, you know, you had this
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  Speaker 4: guy from South Africa, Joshua. I mean, it was, it
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  Speaker 4: made a big it was a big deal. So many
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  Speaker 4: people were absolutely sure that this was the day. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I know of people that were posting things on Facebook saying,
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  Speaker 4: this is my last picture, this is my last message
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  Speaker 4: that I'm ever gonna post because I'm that sure that
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  Speaker 4: Jesus is coming. Well, I mean he didn't. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: so what do you have to say about that. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's it's sad to see the effect that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: felled date setting has on people. But for those that
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  Speaker 4: consistently set dates, especially in the modern vernacular, because we
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  Speaker 4: were still here, especially those guys from let's say last September,
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  Speaker 4: you know that that predicted these dates, and that was
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  Speaker 4: pushing this guy, Joshua. I still see a lot of
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  Speaker 4: those guys out there, and what have they done. They've
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  Speaker 4: moved the goal post to this year. Oh well, this
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  Speaker 4: isn't the real date. This isn't the real date of
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  Speaker 4: Feast of Trumpets, This isn't the real date of tis
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  Speaker 4: should be odd, this isn't you know, whatever it may be.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and it's it's really sad to see and
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  Speaker 4: it's to me, you're seeing almost like a cult mindset
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to date setting and it and it
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  Speaker 4: certainly has a drastic effect on those that are listening
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  Speaker 4: and really looking for the Lord's return, because I mean, look,
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  Speaker 4: everybody knows that knows me.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Hopeful that the Lord will come in my lifetime. And
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  Speaker 4: I even had somebody tell me one time recently, you know, well,
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  Speaker 4: having hope is akin to have an unbelief. No, No,
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  Speaker 4: I hope that the Lord comes in my lifetime. I'm faithful,
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  Speaker 4: and I know that the Lord is going to come.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't know if it's going to be in
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  Speaker 4: my lifetime. I really really do hope, So I mean
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking every day for the blessed Hope Titus two thirteen.
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  Speaker 4: But there's no guarantee that it's going to happen in
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  Speaker 4: my lifetime. I mean, I know. I was listening to
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  Speaker 4: you guys on a roundtable recently, Mindo was talking about
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  Speaker 4: having a fifty year plan. I mean, I think that's
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  Speaker 4: a great example and a great thing to have, because
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we just don't know. I mean, I thought
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  Speaker 4: it was funny whenever Mindo was saying, you know, back
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  Speaker 4: whenever he was a youth pastor, he was telling people, Oh,
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  Speaker 4: what's happening in twenty ten, Baby, It's gonna happen in
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  Speaker 4: twenty ten. But I mean, and twenty ten came and went,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, and we see that happening right now. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we try to look into the future and we can
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  Speaker 4: say it's really kind of hard to see us here
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  Speaker 4: in twenty fifty. But if twenty fifty comes and goes,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I don't want to be the one that says,
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  Speaker 4: you know, oh, twenty fifty, we're not gonna be here
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  Speaker 4: in twenty fifty, baby, go ahead, Mando, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think, well, the uh I did you know? This
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  Speaker 1: was probably nineteen eighty seven and I was thinking, there's
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  Speaker 1: no way we're gonna be here in twenty ten. It's
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  Speaker 1: like you said, there's no way gonna be here in
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifty, because there was always there's there's always prophetic
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  Speaker 1: developments happening, and you know, I let's just let's let's
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  Speaker 1: get something out of the out of the elephant in
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  Speaker 1: the room, because oftentimes what happens is people aren't getting
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  Speaker 1: angry at us because we are challenging their emotional state. Honestly,
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  Speaker 1: and as a pastor, you know, look, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: the motives of why people modernists or others, going all
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  Speaker 1: the way back as Joe mentioned, we don't know why
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  Speaker 1: people do this. The best, the nicest way to to
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  Speaker 1: say it, because I don't read motives or read hearts.
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  Speaker 1: The nicest thing would say is that they're excited. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: they're excited. They love Jesus, and that that excitement, which
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  Speaker 1: is an emotion, allows them to have confirmation bias in
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  Speaker 1: a variety of ways to see things. And I mean
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  Speaker 1: this goes this goes back to as you mentioned, early
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  Speaker 1: the early Church. The other thing, the other motive that
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  Speaker 1: you have is pride in all this date setting is
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  Speaker 1: a modern Well, what we're seeing now is a modern
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  Speaker 1: continuation of what Joe mentioned in the early centuries. It's
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  Speaker 1: a form of narcissism because it's a form of secret knowledge.
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  Speaker 1: And so I have the secret knowledge, you get a
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  Speaker 1: cult following, you get others, and and what we hear now,
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  Speaker 1: and we've been hearing for at least I have him
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  Speaker 1: for thirty years, is this beyond coincidence? You can't make
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  Speaker 1: this stuff up. Oh my gosh, this is it. This
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  Speaker 1: is this is the calculations I mean, this is this
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  Speaker 1: is it. I'ven't done many You can't make this up.
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  Speaker 1: You can't make yep write a book. And when I
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  Speaker 1: tell you no, you're making it up. And this is
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  Speaker 1: God is not a god of coincidences. These are the phrases.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what I would say, is when you've
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  Speaker 1: been around a long time, you've seen it and experienced
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  Speaker 1: it and lived it and participated. Like Joe, thanks for
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  Speaker 1: calling me out again on that, you know, for my
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  Speaker 1: own is in my excitement years ago. I was a
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  Speaker 1: part of all these and then the Lord allowed me,
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  Speaker 1: I think, to do that because he had plans for
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  Speaker 1: me today to see the wisdom of the failures of
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  Speaker 1: these things. Now again, all of us, do we want
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  Speaker 1: we want Jesus to come back. We've I've had people say,
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  Speaker 1: Maner doesn't even want Jesus to come back. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he wants to sell more books. Let me tell you
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  Speaker 1: I haven't sold very many books. Okay, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm ready to go today, so let's.
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  Speaker 4: Not And I don't even have any books there is exactly,
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  Speaker 4: so let's not take our our our desire for wisdom.
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  Speaker 1: As a as a as a as apathy. Because if
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  Speaker 1: you go back, it's interesting, if you go back to
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  Speaker 1: right after Matinus lived and you go to like four
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  Speaker 1: hundred a D. Three hundred a D, you had those
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  Speaker 1: that were following the septuagen chronology. Just this is interesting
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  Speaker 1: because the septuagen chronology, the Greek Old Testament, it's got
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  Speaker 1: different basically genealogies than the Massoretic Hebrew text does. And
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  Speaker 1: so the creation according to the septuagen was around fifty
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  Speaker 1: five hundred BC. They knew that, okay. So they were
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  Speaker 1: also believed in the six thousand years, one thousand years
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  Speaker 1: for every day of creation, and therefore there'd be six
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  Speaker 1: thousand years of human history. This was well known in
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  Speaker 1: the Early Church. So for them, the six thousandth year
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  Speaker 1: ended around five hundred AD. So they were like, this
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  Speaker 1: is it. This is the sixth sixth day is going
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  Speaker 1: to be here. We're gonna be in the millennium. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: all that was wrong. Even the year nine ninety nine,
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  Speaker 1: same thing they had. They understood that I lived through
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  Speaker 1: you know, the I got saved in ninety three, and
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  Speaker 1: there was another book nineteen ninety four that came out.
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  Speaker 1: I remember the first thing was reading that as I
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  Speaker 1: got saved, and of course White UK and all the
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  Speaker 1: other ones that we mentioned. So but let's just say
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  Speaker 1: this that what we're saying today is a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are newer in the Lord. They're younger in the Lord.
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  Speaker 1: They haven't lived through all of the failures and the disappointment.
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  Speaker 1: And I would say as well. I had someone say
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  Speaker 1: to me that, well, Mondo, these people who because I
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  Speaker 1: talk about and then we're going to talk about how
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  Speaker 1: it hurts people in their faith.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I wanted to get into that, yep.
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  Speaker 1: And what people tell me is, well, if they're that
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  Speaker 1: weak in their faith, that's their problem. It doesn't hurt
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  Speaker 1: my faith at all. If we have all these high
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  Speaker 1: watch times and these alleged predictions and it comes in
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  Speaker 1: and goes, it just keeps me watching more and more.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, that's wonderful for you, Okay, praise
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  Speaker 1: God that you are not getting discouraged. But that shows
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  Speaker 1: you the greatest thing in the New Testament for a
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  Speaker 1: believer is to love their brothers and sisters. Okay, love right, faith,
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  Speaker 1: open love, and what remains love. Okay, So this is
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  Speaker 1: Romans fourteen about the idea of that we are to
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  Speaker 1: deny ourselves some of our liberties at times for love. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So for someone to say, well, that's their problem because
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  Speaker 1: they have weak faith, well that's what Romans fourteen tells
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  Speaker 1: us is those that are a weak er in faith,
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  Speaker 1: we are to love them and even deny ourselves. And
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  Speaker 1: so these people it kind of in their pride and
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  Speaker 1: arrogance that why a strong faith, their pride and arrogance
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  Speaker 1: are actually disobeying exactly what God tells us to do
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  Speaker 1: as it relates to the love for others. And so
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  Speaker 1: we could talk about the other ramifications of people who
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  Speaker 1: have walked away from Christianity right because of all this,
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  Speaker 1: And so just to set the tone again, the tone is, look,
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  Speaker 1: we're excited. I don't read hearts. I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: people do what they do, but there are some tendencies
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  Speaker 1: for emotional I would say this. The New Testament teaches
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  Speaker 1: the church not to be gullible, not to be emotionally based,
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  Speaker 1: and that's often what you see here is people in
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  Speaker 1: their excitement, they become emotionally entangled to a certain thing
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  Speaker 1: that they want. They're tired, some Christians are tired. Their
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  Speaker 1: life is challenging. They've been dealing with a lot of things,
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  Speaker 1: physical issues, and they want out of here. I don't
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  Speaker 1: fault anybody for that, but don't allow those emotions to
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  Speaker 1: get you so worked up that you now become a teacher,
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  Speaker 1: or you go on Facebook or social media and you
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  Speaker 1: share things. Now it's James three one. Those that teacher,
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  Speaker 1: those that put things out there, they're going to receive
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  Speaker 1: a stricter judgment. So that's a lack of wisdom, and
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  Speaker 1: it's a lack of love. It's a lack of a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things for the stuff that we're dealing with.
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  Speaker 1: And again, we were just here a year ago, two
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  Speaker 1: years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've got two trains of thought real quick. One
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  Speaker 2: is when I go out publicly for the last twenty
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  Speaker 2: six years and I warned people the Joshua guy.
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  Speaker 3: We came out on our Facebook page.
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  Speaker 2: I said, look, guys, this guy, according to the New Testament,
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  Speaker 2: is a false prophet and he's leading people astraight. Well,
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  Speaker 2: of course you would be well, you probably wouldn't be shocked.
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  Speaker 2: At one time. I was, but not anymore. But a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people came on there and was accusing me
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  Speaker 2: and others like you, guys, Oh well, you're fulfilling what
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Peter said, and you're a skolfer mocking saying where is
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  Speaker 2: the promise of his coming? And I'm like, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: time out. Know, we're not scoffing the concept or the
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  Speaker 2: idea of the catching away, the gathering together, the rapture,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you wanna call it.
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  Speaker 1: We're not.
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  Speaker 2: We're not discouraging individuals from that watching.
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  Speaker 3: And being ready. But what we are doing is telling people.
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  Speaker 2: And now, look, guys, I don't know how you interpret
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  Speaker 2: this verse, but when I read the scripture where Jesus
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  Speaker 2: Christ is speaking, it said no man knows the day
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  Speaker 2: nor the hour, not the angels in heaven, not the son,
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  Speaker 2: but the Father only. I'm sorry, but I interpret that
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  Speaker 2: is no mortal man is ever going to is going
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  Speaker 2: to pinpoint the day and hour. Now again, I know
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  Speaker 2: how people are, so I'm gonna go ahead and interject this,
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  Speaker 2: but we're not in darkness that this day should overtake us.
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  Speaker 2: We're children of life. We are to know the seasons,
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  Speaker 2: and we interpret those seasons. We're to know the seasons,
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  Speaker 2: but that's not the very pinpointed day and Frankly, guys,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how I'm gonna ask your thoughts on this,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't believe that the Lord will ever allow
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  Speaker 2: any mortal man. I don't care what calendar he's using,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, I've heard people go, well, we're on
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  Speaker 2: this calendar and we're not on that calendar, and this
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  Speaker 2: one's been proven wrong. I don't think the Lord's ever
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  Speaker 2: going to allow an individual on this side of Heaven
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  Speaker 2: to ever get it right. Because again, again, my Bible
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  Speaker 2: says the Lord's gonna return in the day and hour you.
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  Speaker 3: Expect him not to return.
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  Speaker 2: And I always say, if everybody says that the Lord's
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  Speaker 2: gonna come back on September eleventh or September twenty third
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  Speaker 2: at Roshashana, well I got a clue right there. If
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: everybody's expecting to return, he's probably not gonna return. But again,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: a broken clock is right twice a day. Somebody eventually
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: is probably gonna get this right. They're gonna throw a
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  Speaker 2: dart and accidentally hit the bulls out somewhere down the road.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Second thing, a little bit of humor, and then we'll
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: get into I got some questions for you, guys. Politics
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  Speaker 2: plays a role in the US. Every time we've had
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  Speaker 2: a whoever, it is a Republican, a Democrat, depending on
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: what side of the camp you're in, people number one,
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  Speaker 2: they always those individuals always become a candidate for the Antichrist.
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  Speaker 2: It's a funny story back down. This was years ago
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  Speaker 2: when Obama was in office. I was at a conference
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  Speaker 2: and that wasn't a prophecy watcher's conference. It was a
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  Speaker 2: conference in Tennessee. And I was there and this woman
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  Speaker 2: came up to me. And at that time, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in time headlines was you know, it was in it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of it's an infancy. It was still still young.
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  Speaker 2: But there was a couple of people that knew who
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I was, and they knew our ministry. And this one
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: woman came up to me and she introduced herself and
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: she said, do you believe listen to this. Do you
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  Speaker 2: believe that this that Obama will be the last president
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  Speaker 2: of the United States of America? And I flat I said, no, Well, guys,
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  Speaker 2: you would have thought i'd blasphemed the Lord. And she said, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's not what the Lord told me. And I said,
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  Speaker 2: and I, guys, I promised you. I said this to her.
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  Speaker 2: I said, well, I said, ma'am, if the Lord told
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  Speaker 2: you that, then why are you asking my opinion? My
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  Speaker 2: opinion is irrelevant. If the Lord really told you that
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  Speaker 2: this was the last president, why are you looking for
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  Speaker 2: my confirmation? So she was very angry that I told
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  Speaker 2: her that he would not be the last president. I said,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he'll be the last president. And suffice
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  Speaker 2: to say, he wasn't and he was, and and it's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: You still got people say that he's the Antichrist and
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: this just like you got people saying Trump's going to
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: be the Antichrist. But whatever, that's a whole other story
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  Speaker 2: for another time. But I want to get into the
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  Speaker 2: collateral damage of this. I know, Mindo, you touched on
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  Speaker 2: a little bit about this. I have witnessed this because
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  Speaker 2: and I'm glad that there is individuals out there that
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  Speaker 2: are strong enough in the faith that when these dates fell,
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  Speaker 2: they said, well, that doesn't push me away, and it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't discourage my faith. This just encourages me to to
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  Speaker 2: keep what guessing the date, Look for another guy that's
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  Speaker 2: gonna come out and tickle your ears and put a
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  Speaker 2: date on it. But on the flip side, like you said, Mondo,
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  Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many people that if you
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  Speaker 2: even discs you know what I mean, people for example,
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  Speaker 2: that were once believers of the rapture, but they no
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  Speaker 2: longer believe and not even a and it's not about
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: a preacher rapture. I don't believe in a raptor at all.
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  Speaker 2: And a lot of this is because of this right here,
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  Speaker 2: because of the date setting. Have you guys experienced this
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  Speaker 2: on a personal level.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, so yeah, I mean, I go ahead, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, I mean, last year, we
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  Speaker 4: saw that big time.
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  Speaker 1: Last year.
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  Speaker 4: I saw a lot of people coming out and they
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: were saying, you know what, I'm done. I'm no longer
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  Speaker 4: looking for the Lord. He'll come when everybody wants to come.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm tired of looking. I'm tired of the failed dates.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, and we're competing with you know, we're already
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  Speaker 4: as the church, We're already competing with a world that
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: launch Christianity into this ball of other faiths that are
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: not Christians, right. You know, we see that happen all
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: the time. You know, Christianity gets lumped together with a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of other faiths and they'd like to try to
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  Speaker 4: say that this faith is Christianity, this faith is Christianity,
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  Speaker 4: and so on and so forth. Right, I'm not going
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  Speaker 4: to name drop, you know, the faith that I'm referring to,
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  Speaker 4: but people kind of read through the lines there. But
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  Speaker 4: now we're having to deal with people within our own
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  Speaker 4: real camp, like with our own camp, you know, certainly
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: playing a role in the greater apostasy that we're seeing,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: this greater falling away of the church, this greater falling
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  Speaker 4: away of the faith, this apart and departing of the
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  Speaker 4: faith that we're seeing, because they're playing into this, you know,
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  Speaker 4: this whole date setting thing, and they're saying, hey, you
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  Speaker 4: know what, you know, I was looking forward to this
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  Speaker 4: date but it didn't come, and you know what, I'm
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: just not going to look anymore. I mean, you look
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  Speaker 4: at it like from a you know, your own personal
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  Speaker 4: you know, when you get ready to go on vacation,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: you circle that date on the calendar, right, I mean
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  Speaker 4: for me, every year, it was always around April time frame.
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  Speaker 4: Me and my dad would always go to a baseball game.
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  Speaker 4: The Memphis Redbirds would always host the Saint Louis Cardinals,
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  Speaker 4: and it was called the Battle of the birds, and
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  Speaker 4: every year we would always look forward to that date.
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  Speaker 4: So as as time got closer, I would get more anxious.
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  Speaker 4: I was, yeah, I'm getting excited for this. Can I
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  Speaker 4: wait until the say, April the eleventh. Well, then a
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  Speaker 4: lot of times around that time frame, what does it do?
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  Speaker 4: It rains? So it rained out like for three years
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  Speaker 4: in a row. But every you know, day leading up
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  Speaker 4: to it, I was, I was excited for it. But
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  Speaker 4: then whenever that day finally come and they sent out
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  Speaker 4: a message and said, oh well, it's a rain out,
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  Speaker 4: it's an exhibition game. There's gonna be no makeup date.
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  Speaker 4: We'll try again next year. I mean, how disappointing is
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  Speaker 4: that to have to look forward to that all spring long,
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  Speaker 4: all the way up until April, just to be told
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  Speaker 4: that it's not going to happen, right, I mean it
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  Speaker 4: led me to believe like the following years, like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, it's not gonna happen. It's gonna rain out.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not as well out of even get my hopes
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  Speaker 4: up anymore. I'm not gonna get to go watch this
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  Speaker 4: baseball game. I mean, and that's what you saw last year,
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  Speaker 4: and that's what you see every year. During this cycle,
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  Speaker 4: you see people that are hopefully looking for the Lord,
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  Speaker 4: joyfully expecting, you know, hoping that the Lord will come
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  Speaker 4: during their lifetime, come on the day that they're anticipating.
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  Speaker 4: And then when of that day comes and passes, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: they get tore down, they get depressed, they get they
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  Speaker 4: just don't want to look anymore. And then that's eventually
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  Speaker 4: whenever you'll see them. A lot a lot of these people,
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  Speaker 4: they'll just stop and say, you know what, I don't
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: want to have anything to do with the church anymore.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: I don't want to have anything to do with with
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: the you know, with prophecy anymore, with prophecy watching or
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: anything like that. I just want to go hide underneath
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  Speaker 4: my blanket, sleep and just bury my head in the
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: sand until the Lord really does come. You know. I
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  Speaker 4: like the way Mindo puts that occupy until he actually comes, right,
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  Speaker 4: I Mean a lot of people they they only want
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  Speaker 4: to occupy until they think that he's gonna come. And
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: whenever he doesn't come, whenever they want them to come,
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  Speaker 4: well they're done occupying. They're just gonna go bury their
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  Speaker 4: heads in the sand. And unfortunately, we're seeing a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people they they play into it, and like I said,
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  Speaker 4: like Mindo said, you know, we don't know their motives.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, i'd like to think that people's motives are
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  Speaker 4: are good, their intentions are good. There really are looking
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  Speaker 4: they're sharing this because they really do think this. But
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that they understand the unintended consequences of
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  Speaker 4: those that don't have or or that that miss out
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  Speaker 4: on it whenever it doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: So what's the so when I when i'm the consensus
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I'm getting here is you've got two extremes in the
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: body of Christ. You've got one extreme that they run
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  Speaker 2: to every date center and they go.
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  Speaker 3: To extreme.
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  Speaker 2: Extreme measures, quit their jobs, sell their homes, train their
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  Speaker 2: saving accounts, et cetera, et cetera, on this side. But
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  Speaker 2: then on the on the other side, you've got another
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  Speaker 2: side that said, you know what, I don't think there
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: is there's not even going to be a rapture.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not bothering with it.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: What's the balance, guys, that's the question. But I'm going
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: to give you us, I guess a subtitled question that
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: kind of hanes off this.
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  Speaker 3: What do we do?
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: How do we get in the middle here? How do
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: we balance this? And number two, there might be somebody
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: watching listening and they say, well, I hear you guys
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: keep saying occupy till he comes. What does that even mean?
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: How would you define that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: That phraseology comes from Luke chapter nineteen, verse thirteen, and
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Jesus gave a very clear parable there because he was
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: talking to the people. And Luke is a great writer
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: because oftentimes he will give us he will explain the
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  Speaker 1: meaning of the parable or the meaning of the of
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  Speaker 1: the of the illustration for us in advance. And so
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  Speaker 1: it says right there that because people were thinking that
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: the Kingdom of God was going to happen soon, like
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: immediately is a better word. We know that the Kingdom
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: of God certainly started when Jesus ascended to heaven. The
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: kingdom is being built, but we're talking about the literal
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  Speaker 1: physical kingdom that they had an expectation of, which was right.
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  Speaker 1: We see that in next chapter one. Are you going
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  Speaker 1: to restore the kingdom? Now, Jesus today, It's not for
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  Speaker 1: you to know the time just yet, okay, But to
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  Speaker 1: fulfill all of prophecy, the entire Old Testament as well
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  Speaker 1: as New Testament, it's going to be, so Jesus gives
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  Speaker 1: us illustration, and he says, there was a king and
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  Speaker 1: he was going to receive a kingdom. Okay, he hadn't
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  Speaker 1: received it yet, and he went away to receive that kingdom,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and he was going to return, but he called before
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  Speaker 1: he left to go away to receive the kingdom and
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  Speaker 1: come back and basically bring the physical manifestation of it.
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  Speaker 1: To think about that for all millennialism, right, it really does,
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  Speaker 1: and frustrate that. It says he brought his servants together
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  Speaker 1: and he each gave them assignments, and then he said
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  Speaker 1: to them, occupy until I come. So there was going
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  Speaker 1: to be this gap of time where the Master would
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  Speaker 1: be gone receiving getting permission to receive the kingdom and
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: then bring the fullness of that kingdom back where there
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: were to be an accounting. And he says, but I
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  Speaker 1: want you to do business. Some versions will say do business,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: new King James, which is what I memori scripture on occupy,
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  Speaker 1: which what does that mean? This goes back to what
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  Speaker 1: I Joe referred to earlier that I'm very fond of saying,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: have a fifty year plan, have a fifty year plan,
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  Speaker 1: have a seventy five year plan, depending on how old
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: you are of serving the Lord Matthew six thirty three.
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  Speaker 1: Seek first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: the Lord will take care of the rest. So planned
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: your life in accordance with the fact that Jesus would
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: be coming back in seventy five, eighty years or one
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: hundred years. That's going to keep you serving the Lord
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: in all the different ways. I've had some people tell me, well,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I don't really want to start that ministry just yet.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, God's put it on my hard to do
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: A B and C. But I think his return is coming,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: and so I don't want to put all that effort
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: into it and then just to have them come back.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, where did you get this mentality? So this
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: is the important thing of what it means to occupy.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: There's two things that I always close every message is
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  Speaker 1: Mark thirteen thirty seven. Jesus say, is what I say
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  Speaker 1: to you. I say to everybody, watch, be watching, be observing.
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  Speaker 1: It's a commandment of all the things that Jesus told us,
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  Speaker 1: all the things that we see in scripture, the eschatological
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  Speaker 1: scriptures that show us what the end of the age
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  Speaker 1: is going to look like, be watchful. But the second
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  Speaker 1: thing is occupy until he actually comes. That really is
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  Speaker 1: the motive. And so if you have a fifty year plan,
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  Speaker 1: then you're going to do all these great things for
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: the Lord. But how many people right now that on
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: that day when we're going to stand before the judgment
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: see of Christ? Secondly is five to ten right, Romans
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  Speaker 1: fourteen ten, And it's going to go less well for
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: them because they didn't fulfill what God was tugging them
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: to do, because they thought Jesus is coming back this year,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: the feast of Russiashan. I don't want to. That is
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  Speaker 1: not occupying. That's good, not occupying.
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  Speaker 3: Tee, you got anything? Did you want to?
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  Speaker 4: I think Mindo hit it right on the head, right
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  Speaker 4: on the head there. I mean, it's some you know,
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: we're called to do the Lord's working, and we see
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: so many people. I mean, we go back to what
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Paul talked to Timothy about two Timothy chapter four talked
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: about people would heap up themselves, teachers that would basically
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: tickle their ears. I mean, unfortunately, and people probably don't
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: want to hear this. People within the prophetic camp, you know,
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: they heap up themselves. That for teachers that tickle their
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: ears right, like like what you were saying before, Ricky,
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: I mean people will run to these teachers that are
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: on YouTube that are always pushing out dates. You know,
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: those seem to be the ones that get a lot
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: of views because people want to know. They want to know,
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: like what Manda was saying that do they have this
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: secret knowledge? Do they have this information that maybe I
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: haven't been told about, and maybe that if I want
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  Speaker 4: this video, I can be somehow understand when the Lord
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: is actually gonna come. And to me, it's just an unhealthy,
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: unhealthy weg up going about doing things and it's not
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: like Amanda was saying, it's not occupying and doing the
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: Lord's work.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I wanna, I wanna dovetail right off of what you
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: just said, but before you do that. The one thing
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  Speaker 2: that really opened my eyes years ago was IX Chapter one,
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  Speaker 2: verse eight. Jesus is having this discourse with the disciples
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  Speaker 2: and they said, well, you at this time restore the kingdom.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: And in translation here now when you read this, because
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: he says it is not for you to know the
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: times and season which the fathers put in his hands.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Some people interpret that now these people that are they're
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: anti prophecy and this and that they'll they'll interpret that
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: is well, see that scripture right there tells us we
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be occupied by looking for the rapture and watching
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: for that.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: But if when you.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Really study that, the they were they were anticipating a physical.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Leader, a political leader.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: They were, And oh, I'm I might step on some
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: toes right here, but it's the same problem we have
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: the church today. They had put their faith and their
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: trust and a and a politician or a political leader
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: that's gonna, you know, free them from tyranny and and
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: all this stuff. When there when Christ was sitting there
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: trying to tell him about the kingdom.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: So he tells them, you know, it's not for you
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: to know this. But then in IX.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Eight goes right and it says, but you shall receive
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: power after that. The Holy Ghost has come upon you,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: and you should be witnesses unto me in Jerusalem and
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Jude and Samana to the uttermost parts of the earth.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: So the way I took that, it was like, we're
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: out here, yes, we're to watch, we're to be ready,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: and I've you know, mindo, I said this one you
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: and I were in that podcast together with Louren and
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: and Gary and all them. I said, I live my
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I tell our listeners and our followers, live your life
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: as if the Lord could return today, but prepare as
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: if he was going to be.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Gone for a long time. And you can't go wrong
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: with that.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: He that has this, it is not known what we
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: shall be, but we know that when he appears, we
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: shall be liking it to him. And he that has
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: this hope purifies himself even as he is pure. So
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: that's that's what I say about that. Now here's a
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: question for you, guys. How how many of these individuals. Now,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I know this is a sad indictment to say this,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: but it is. I have to wonder if how many
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: of these individuals know, deep down in their heart that
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: you know what, this is probably wrong.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: I'm an error.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't be doing this. But when they see the
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: clickbait views that they get, when they see the social engagement,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: when they see just like Joe touched on, guys, I
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: could I promise you I could get out tomorrow and
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and and do and and this is not gonna happen,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: by the way, guys, I could do a podcast and say,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: could this be the day of the rapture and make
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: it really all just like alluring and get people in.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: And I'm telling you we will probably have record views
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: on that and a lot of these people. That's what
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: you see. You kind of see this general perception of
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: this as these individuals, you know, they're getting fifty sixty,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand views on you know, on
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: these podcasts or these on you know, these programs where
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: they're talking about this. And you know, I've said this before,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the way the algorithm works on these social media platforms,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: that's what they're going to push in front of you.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: And here in a minute, we'll get to this, but
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I'll show you one of the prime example of this
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: nonsense that's been circin. I've seen it on my own
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Facebook reels and stuff that comes up in my feed
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: sometimes are on YouTube. But the question is this, how
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: much do you think that this is a problem out there?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: How many of these individuals do you think, No, Hey,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: this is making money. This is making because we know
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: the more views you get, the more engagement you get,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: the more controversial it is, the more the more revenue
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: that you're bringing in.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Well, let me say some about that, because there's no doubt.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: As we said, I don't know the motives of people.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: But let's just because I don't know the motives, we
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: could talk about some motives that are there, and again
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: we hope that it's a good motive, that they just
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: want to get the word out and they are excited
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: about Jesus. But there's no doubt there's always been grifters
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: in the church from the beginning. This is the this
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: is the whole message of the Book of Jude or
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the Book of Second Peter as example. You know, these
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: false teachers that were looking to gratify themselves, oftentimes certainly
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: through money and also other sensuality and other things like that.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I remember well that you mentioned the panel that we
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: did with Lauren, and somebody wrote in there, why is
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Mondo even on this panel? And it was interesting in
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the comments, and he's just so far removed from all
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: these other guys, And I was like, I saw in
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: the comments. I said, hey, man, where's the love? Right?
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Well then they responded and they said, well, you know
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the reason I said, I wasn't trying to be mean,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: but you don't really you seem to downplay everything. And
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, thank you. You know, I appreciate
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: that I was seen as a more conservative. And I responded,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I just said, hey, look, the reason why is because
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I've been around a long time. Yes, I've seen this,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I said, So you would hope that, Okay, I'm getting older,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I'm fifty two now, that I hope i'd have a
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: little bit of wisdom, you know, in the sense of
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: watching the behavior happen. And as we know, when I
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: was watching in nineteen ninety six and nineteen eighty eight
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: and the year two thousand, that was really before social media, right,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: so even all the ramifications back then, it's multiplied one
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: hundred four one thousandfold now. But it comes back to
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I'll give you one example, going back to twenty twenty four.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: April of twenty four, we're having the same conversation and
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: we're getting the same level of criticism about the April eclipse.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Remember the eclipse. We all remember the eclipse, and the eclipse,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: you know, putting the X over the United States and
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: this is it. And of course, you know, I do
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of astrophotography and astronomy stuff, and so people
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: were asking questions and Genesis one fourteen through sixteen signs
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: in the heavens, this is it. And so you know,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: we wrote articles on this showing how that is not
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: what Bible the Bible says. But there was one brother,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: as far as I know, but he he did this
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: video on the eclipse, and it was filled with so
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: much innuendo and hype, and and he was he would
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: he would get to all the way at the end
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: of predicting something, but he would sit back four million views,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: four million, and so what then you go back and
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: there was no apology. There there was no follow up
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: of hey man, you know what, I kind of hyped
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: this up or I was really excited or whatever. And
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: all these things that went we were predicted or were
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: led people to believe. None of it came true. And
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: there was no recanting of all that. And so four
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: million people at least obviously he did really well. But
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: that's the problem in all this is I have a
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: folder I'm sure you do in my email. It's called
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: date setters. And so I go back and I open
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: that folder every so often, and I have these date
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: setters from twenty twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, twenty five,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: all of them. And sometimes you know, the flesh gets
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: the best of me, and I'll email them, Hey, you
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: said this to me back in October of twenty four.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Do you have any response to this now? And so
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: you know I've only done that a few times, but
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: it's more like did you My question is ultimately pastorally speaking,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: did you learn anything from this? And what you see
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: is them just usually doubling down, and like Harold Camping,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: just recall, oh I did a miscalculation. Let me give
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: you a new one. And so there's no doubt there
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: are going to be those. And as as Christians, we
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: have got to be careful not to get sucked into
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: the hype and the clickbait and all that. The blood
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: moons if we think about remember all that, it was
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: like here we go and and.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Can I interject. I will say this now, I have
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: studied the ancient. The ancients believed, you know, we're talking
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: about ancient rabbis, even in rabbinical circles, that blood moons
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: that happened on feast days of Israel were significant solar eclipses.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Were you know, you were an omen or assigned to
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: gentile nations. Now, I will say and I will stand
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: behind this. I know we now this is where we
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: may agree to disagree. I remember when the blood moon
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: recently was seen during the Feast of perlm and this
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: was before we went to war with Iran. Now I
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: told everybody because because it fell on the Feast of Perham,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: a blood moon, it was significant over America. This was recently,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: and by the way, it wasn't one time it was,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: it's actually three times.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: We've had it twice. It's going to happen.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Again, all on Perham Perham deals. You know this with Esther,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: with it of modern day Iran. And I said, based
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: on this, I really believe that the United States of America,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: with Trump, is going to be involved militarily with Iran
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: based on this. And I know I had a lot
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: of people say that your craziness, and it did happen.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Now again now having said that, I don't believe that
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: every time there's a solar cups, every time there's a
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: blood moon, every time there's a planetary alignment, that it's
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: a sign from the heaven. I will say this, Joe,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: you and I talked about this privately today. There is
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: and I won't I won't, you know, I know, we
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: don't name drop here for the most part. But one
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: particular charismatic publication loves to put certain so called profit
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: is out there. And one of these individuals is really
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: bad man, Like everything is a sign and it's and
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: it's always deals around politics. And they just put out
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: something today and I said, this is the most goofyest
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: stuff I've ever seen. So I do believe there's a balance.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: That's where I stand on that. So anyway, but I
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: agree with you for the most part, Mandel. And and again,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: you know, I had to get delivered out of a
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: lot of this because I got wrapped into that ultra
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: charismatic stuff years ago and even to the you know.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: And I've had this slowly, you know, or not slowly,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: but it's been a progression of unraveling myself. And I
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: go back and every now and then I'll hear something
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: out there on YouTube whatever, and I'm like, h and
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I just cringe because I'm like, Okay, that's new Apostolic
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Reformation nonsense and this and that. So I get it.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: So I agree with you on that, Joe. I think
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: you did you want to say something you look like.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: You don't agree with you know, what we know based
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: off of what Mando was and just piggybacking off of that.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know a lot of these guys, they
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: just moved the goal post. They they'll start a video
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: and they say, oh, well, we actually had the calendar wrong.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: And I will say at least there was one guy
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: and I said, I'm not gonna name drop, but there
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: was at least one guy that I saw last year
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: that actually did do a video after all of that
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: prediction stuff came out and he recanted what he said.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: And that's very you know, familiar, you know these days, right,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: And I think that he actually deleted all of this
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: stuff and and he said, you know what, I was
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: in their right. I mean, I think that that that
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: speaks a lot about a person's character, and actually I
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: think it speaks a lot about their walk with the
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: Lord as well, if they're willing to do that publicly.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: When a lot of these guys and gals that are
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: out there doing these YouTube videos, like I said, I
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: don't want to know the mo I don't know the
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: motives of everybody. But when you're constantly doing videos and
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: you're moving the goal post, and it seems like this
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: is happening every year around every Feast day.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: I wonder like, are you really, are you really, you know,
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: doing this for yourself or you doing this for the
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: sake of the church, or are you just doing this
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: because you want to get a little bit of clicks.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and trust me, guys, And I always tell our audiences,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: and I haven't taken the time, and I probably should
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: go back. You go back to like twenty ten, eleven twelve.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: There.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I know on our YouTube channel, I've got some videos
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: that are way cringe worthy and it's like, oh my gosh,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I got to delete that because I definitely don't believe
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: that anymore.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: And stuff.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: So we're all growing.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: I've said that if I ever get to a place where.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: I'm no longer growing in the Lord, I'm in trouble
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: and I need to you know, I want correction. You know,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: if you guys see me out of line, text me,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: send me a message, say dude, what are you doing?
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Like this is whay, don't you know?
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Don't do this? And we need that.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: We need that accountability. All believers need that stuff. Now,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: speaking of why stuff, I'm sure you guys have seen this.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna read this to you guys listening about Apple
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: or by Spotify that can't see this post claim now
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: this is circulating all over the place, TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: everywhere postclaim Earth will quote lose gravity. I can't believe
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: we're even talking about this for seven seconds on August twelfth,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, unless now it doesn't say this, But
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna interject this myself unless you're flat Earth, because
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: if you're flat Earth, you don't even believe in gravity,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: so this doesn't have any relevance to you at all.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Trust me.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: The reason why I know that because we got hammered
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: in the comments when we will talk about this according
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: to this so called prediction. A secret NASA documentary project
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: anchor leaked in November of twenty twenty four, revealing the
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: agency believe the Earth would lose gravity for seven seconds tomorrow,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: August twelfth, twenty twenty six. So guys, be tomorrow that
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: you anchor down your house, tie yourself to a tree
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: or something. Throughout the first eight months of twenty twenty six,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: people shared a rumor alleging Earth would lose gravity for
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: seven seconds on the twelfth of August, leading to the
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: deaths of tens of millions of people. I know you
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: guys are laughing at this, but this is out there,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: and you got friends that are sharing this nonsense.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Users are purported a secret.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Now, so the documentary project anchor leaked in twenty twenty
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: four villain Ain's he had known of and organized special
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: preparations for the cosmic event. Now consequently, and there it is.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Look at this, I mean, this is one of the
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: posts about this. I mean, look how luring it is.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: They're preparing, but they won't tell us why. And I remember, guys,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: I remember y'all remember.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Back in.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, I hope I get this right. It was
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: twenty eleven. Yes, it was twenty eleven when it was
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: comet eleanin you'll remember that. And de abbreviation of the
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: acronym was E L E.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: And man, I'm talking about the conspiracy.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Theorists went wild on this one because they said it's
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: an acronym for extinction level event. NASA is covering it up.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: It's causing massive earthquakes. It's causing this. And you even
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: with the recent there was a recent report came out
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: today there's been ten there's been ten huge earthquakes in
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: the past. What I don't know two months or whatever,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: and there's people in the comments, well this is caused
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Nibiru and planet X is coming. That's another thing. It's
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: been circulating for years and years and years. So wow,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: this is just and again this all comes around. You've
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: got a what it's called a trifecta planetary or trifecta
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: cosmic event. You've got what is it, six planets aligning,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: You've got the meteor media or show hour, and you've
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: got the partial and full solar clips. So people jumped
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: all over that with this ridiculous claim. So who wants
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: to go first on this? It's like, are we really
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: doing this?
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: You know? The thing is is it's it's beyond coincidence.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I mean this that you can't you can't make this
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: stuff up, the fact that it's all happening at this
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: exact time and you know, Jesus is coming back. I mean,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: the evidence is so overwhelming. And NASA, of course it's
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: interesting if you phrase it all that like that, and
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: and of course i'd say, well, you know you're that
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: article is quoting Snopes. You can't can't trust Snopes, which
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: in some ways you can't, okay, But on the other hand,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: So instead of looking at the actual art argument, or
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the physics, or to see the ways in which I
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: think many of these things are syops. Truly, that's good
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: that they're put out there on social media and somebody's
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: having a great time laughing all the way, all the
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: way to the bank, so to speak, because of all
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: the clicks. And again, at the end of the day,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: as Christians, we're told to test all things. We're told
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: to test the spirits, to compare everything with scripture. We're
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: called to be bereans. We are not called to be gullible,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: to be tossed and fro by every wind of doctor,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: every wind of fear or speculation, or you know, you
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: have to have the phrase fear porn out there. That
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: is not we are to be. You want about a
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: true anchor, they talk about project anchor. The anchor is
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: in the scripture. The anchor is in a temperate mentality,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: a very sober calm that we were not going to
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: get worked up over our different things. When you look
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: at this, it has all the hallmarks of a false conspiracy.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: It doesn't work anything by physics, I mean physics, This
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't work. Again, as you mentioned, there's those in the
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: flight of the community. Brothers and sisters who and whom
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: we love, We love them, you know. But the fact
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: of the matter that this doesn't work in any conceivable
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: way at all. And so at the end of the day,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: all of us, I just encourage all of us to say,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: when we hear something, we need to have a very
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: high level of scrutiny on this. That is what the
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Christian does. It's a super high level of scrutiny of
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: things like this because otherwise we're just going to get
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: sucked into it. And this is kind of the interesting
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: thing is that for us we're in the if we're
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: in this field, what are we doing. We're encouraging people
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: to watch, but we're not encouraging people to watch stuff
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: like this. We're encouraging them to watch what you can
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: truly show in scripture as it relates to that, the
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: signs of the end of the Age, because as you
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: mentioned in Luke chapter twelve, I find it's fascinating Luke
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: twelve and Matthew twenty four, Jesus says in the midst
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: of telling us to watch, he says, but the sun
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: man who is going to come at a time that
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: you don't expect, and you go, well, what does that mean.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: That's just kind of crazy because you think you're telling
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: us to watch, but yet at the same time, we're
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: going to be it's going to come as a surprise.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: And I would say, look, if Jesus came back tomorrow,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I would not be surprised because looking at all the signs,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: if Jesus comes back in five or ten years on
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: that day, I'm not going to be surprised. Because we
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: were watching. We're like the pundits that that are watching
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: all the signs unfold and we're saying, hey, everybody, this
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: is fulfilling scripture, this is fulfilling the b system. This
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: is the infrastructure. So at the end of the day,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: when we see stuff that's so narrow like this, we
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: just need to show spiritual wisdom on it.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: But you know, I had a good time in the
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: comments because when I posted this on Facebook page, somebody
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: said what is gravity? And so I quickly ran into
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: comments and said, jump off your roof you'll find out
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: real quick, and people were laughing. I mean, it's incredible, Joe,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: you got anything saying before we go to.
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  Speaker 4: Our next Well, just from the scientific side, it doesn't
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: make any sense. You know, you see those Facebook posts
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: that it'll come out there with a mathematical problem, and
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: and for people that know math, it's pretty obvious how
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: to answer the question. But then you go into the
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: comments and you're like, man, I just didn't realize people
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: were this dumb. But you know, that's where we are
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: whenever it comes to the education system in America. Like so,
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: I always use my kids, as you know, as a
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: as a measure on these types of things. So I
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: brought this to them and said, hey, I'm just curious
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: what you guys think about this. The Earth is potentially
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: going to lose gravity on August the twelfth because supposedly
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: two black holes are going to intersect and it's going
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: to cause this gravitational pool.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: My boy was like, so, does that mean that, you know,
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: if this black hole happens, it's going to suck up
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: a good portion of the Earth. I'm like, no, No,
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: it's they're just gonna, you know, pass over and it's
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: going to create this gravitational effect, you know, allegedly, And
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: he's like, so the Earth is going to lose mass? Like, no,
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: the Earth isn't gonna lose mass according to what they're saying.
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: He's like, well, that's what determines gravity, is the mass
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: of the Earth, and which is true, because that's what
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: determins gravity. I mean, even the Moon, you know, has gravity.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: So if you look at the Moon and how small
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: the moon is, and the Moon still has gravity even
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: though it's probably what about a sixth of the gravity
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: that the Earth has, we would have to lose like
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: almost all of Earth's maths mass in order for us
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: to lose gravity, which is obviously it's theoretically impossible. So
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: from a scientific standpoint, it makes no sense what they're saying.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: So whenever you see these things come across, like, I'm
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: definitely one hundredercent agree, it's got to be a SOB.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: It's got to be just somebody just sitting around saying,
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: let's just put this theory out there because they know
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: it's so outrageous that somebody's gonna jump on it and
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: somebody's gonna you know, push it out there into Ethernet
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: and there it is. It's all it's all over the place, and.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: It's social media tabloid.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: That's good, exactly.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's wild to even see people entertaining this stuff,
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: but I will stay inside that day just in case.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's good, All right, guys, we're wrapping this thing up.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: So for those that are watching and listening, I want
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: you to look at in that camera and give them
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: a word of encouragement because look, we're all The one
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: thing we all have in common is we believe in
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: the rapture of the Church, and we're all pre tripors.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Give your best two minute defense. MINDO will start with
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: you of why even though you know these these date
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: setters come and they go and they fail. You know,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: ultimately every year we're going to see this despite all that,
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: what is the blessed hope that we have and why
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: we hold to this blessed hope?
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. As as we know, again, the
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: the word rapture absolutely appears in the Bible, and you
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: just have to read Latin. That's where the word comes from.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: It's the word Harpazzo's in the Greek. And so the
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: catching away clearly caught up is in the New Testament
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: in first Sessians four. So the rapture concept is there,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: and we know that the rapture is a rescue. It's
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: exactly what it is. Because what we also see for
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: me is, you know, if I want to defend the
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: idea of the rapture or a rescue concept, I start
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: in Luke chapter seventeen. Jesus said clearly that at the
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: time that the days of the Son of Man are
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: going to be like the days of Noah and the
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: days of Lot. He uses some very interesting language there.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: It's all clear. Likewise, likewise, that's the pattern. It's the
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: actual word is there the This is the pattern, and
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: the pattern is that Lot was physically removed in the
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: nick of time and he was rescued out physically. We
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: also know that Noah was physically removed from the situation.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: And so so if people say, well, yeah, but Noah
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: went through, Okay, let's then then then I think that's
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: wrong in the sense of how you phrase it. But
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: let's go to a lot. Lot was physically removed. The
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: angel said, we cannot destroy this until we get you out,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: grabbed him by the hand, dragged him out. Okay. That's
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: that's what the word harpozzo means. It's a forceful, grabbing rescue.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: And it happened, and then the judgment came boom. So
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: to me, I don't. I don't need to go to
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Matthew twenty four all of a discourse. It's in Luke seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: So the hope that we have is that this, this
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: rescue is going to happen in times when things are normal,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: relatively normal, planting, selling, buying, you know, building, you know sheds.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: If you go to the end of the tribulation period,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: nothing is normal. People are lucky to survive. And Jesus said,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: if it didn't, it wasn't shortened for seven years, nobody survived,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: So that that for Luke seventeen to be fulfilled, it
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: cannot happen in the side of the tribulation period because
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: we're going to be if we're in there. I'll just
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: say this, I'm not gonna be worried about getting a
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: wedding venue for my daughter. I'm gonna be worried about
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: surviving and having food. Right, the rescue happens at a
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: time when people are given in marriage. I'm building a shed.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: I'm doing this relatively normal living, not inside the tribulation,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: which is completely phenomenally horrible in every conceivable way. So
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we are hoping and
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: we are believing even though relatively normal, things can be
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: tough and things can be challenging. And we're gonna have tribulation,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Jesus said in John sixteen thirty three. But that's normal tribulation.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: It's not the great tribulation of the seventy Bieka Daniels.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: So the hope is the rescue's coming. In the meantime,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: stay busy, stay focused, and be watching and waiting for
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: that rescue to happen.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: It's good. Go ahead, j'all take your time.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean so, I mean, Paul, he talks about
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: this twice in the Book of Thessalonians. I mean, he
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: talks about how we're not going to be appointed to
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: that Jesus is gonna deliver us from the wrath to come.
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: And what is the wrath to come? Well, it's the
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: seven year tribulation. And then we get this affirmed in
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: Revelation three ten, where Jesus said that that you have
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: because you have kept my command to persevere, I will
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: keep you from that hour of trial that will come
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: across come upon the whole world. I mean, so we
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: have proof text right there that that say that we're
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: gonna be that we're gonna basically escape the wrath right,
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: and and a lot of people they don't like to
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: use that word. They don't like to say that word escape,
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: or they accuse us of being escapism. Well, I mean
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: that's exactly what Scripture says. We're gonna escape the wrath,
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: just like what Mando said. Just because we're gonna escape
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: the wrath to come, does it mean that we're not
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: gonna be persecuted right now? Persecution and wrath are two
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: completely different words. There are two completely different concepts. And
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: for anybody that doesn't think that the Church is being
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: persecuted right now, I mean I would entertain you to
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: take a trip over to Nigeria, take a trip over
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: to China, take a trip to North Korea wherever you
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: know Christians are having hard times right now. I guarantee
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: you they will absolutely say that they're being persecuted for
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: their faith. I mean I read it. I mean right,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: I think today, Ricky, you posted an article about how
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: this guy had his insurance taken away because he had
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: Jesus Loves You on his car, right, the insurance going
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: to be dropped because of that. I mean it's we're
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: seeing soft persecution, especially in the West, but definitely there's
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: hard and very hard persecution going on all over the world,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: and you know, we like to hope that that persecution
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: is not going to come to America. We like to
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: hope that we're not going to experience our lifetime, but
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: there's nothing that guarantees that we're not going to see persecution.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, we've certainly seen portions of it. You know,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: we saw a lot of it during the whole twenty
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: twenty time frame. I hope that we miss it, especially
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: for my kid's sake. I hope that, you know, my
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: kids aren't persecuted at the level that we see in
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: some of these other countries. But if we if we're not,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: then you know, we should be joyful to go through
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: these tribulations, especially for Jesus, because we need to be
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: the light during those times, because during times of immense persecution,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: we still need people that are going to be proclaiming
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: the name of Jesus Christ and the Gospel and the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: good news of his soon return, you know, and that's
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: the blessed hope to me. I really do hope that
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: the Lord comes in my lifetime. I really do hope
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: that he comes within the next five years. I hope
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: that he comes before this podcast even airs. But if
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: he doesn't, I'm not going to stop doing what I'm doing.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna stop living my life. I'm not going
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: to stop proclaiming the name of Jesus because once I
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: start doing that, then the enemies won every you know,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: person that silences their voice because they no longer want
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: to proclaim the name of Jesus. That's when in the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: column for Satan, that's exactly what Satan wants to do.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: He doesn't want us three out there proclaiming the name
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: of Jesus Christ. He doesn't want anybody out there proclaiming
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: the name of Jesus Christ because and that's one less
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: person that's out there pushing forth the good news of
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: Jesus Christ and on. And that's what I would just
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: leave everybody with you. If you haven't accepted Jesus as
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: your Lord and savior, if you've come across this channel
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: and you know, for some reason you don't even know
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: who Jesus is, I would implore you to data to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: seek the Lord in prayer, to make today the day
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: of your salvation, to accept Jesus as your Lord and savior.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: I would absolutely implore you to do as much as
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: you can, to learn as much as you can about that,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: because you're not promised tomorrow. We're not promising on the
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: next breath.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Amen.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Well, well, well said, gentlemen. Thank you so much again.
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• 1:02:34
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  Speaker 2: They have a YouTube channel, they've got podcasts there, they've
• 1:02:44
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• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: And the now, I know you guys have a conference
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: coming up in Branson in December, right, you're both going
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: to be there.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Correct, December tenth through the thirteenth.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Yep, and yours truly will be there as well.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: I won't be one of the speakers, but I plan
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: on coming be able to meet both you guys in person,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: and I'm bringing recording equipment too, so I'm hoping I
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: can catch some guys and get everybody together and do
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: some little small mini podcasts that'll be exciting. So I'm
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: looking forward to that in December. And again, guys, if
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: you is the registration still open or is that packed
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: out or do you.
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  Speaker 1: Know registration is still open? I think I had a
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: buddy of mine. I had heard the hotel was sold out,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: which it probably is, but I had a buddy of
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: mine who's a he got one last night, so something
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: might have opened up. But no. The registration will be
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: opened all the way until December tenth. We're about halfway there.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: We got over five hundred already. We're expecting about twelve hundred,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: so she'd be great.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, So guys, if you're anywhere near the proximity of that,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: and you got the free time to do that, be
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: sure again to try to register for that and see
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: these gentlemen. And there's a whole list of speakers. Again,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: you go to the website, it'll show you all that.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: So again, guys, thank you so much for you guys
• 1:04:08
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Ricky