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Bachelor Nation Always Finds Out · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Before we dive into this week's episode, let me just
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  Speaker 1: The rule of the week this week for us is
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  Speaker 1: or exercising in this episode. This is the Benn and
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  Speaker 1: Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast with IR Radio. All Right,
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  Speaker 1: guess hello and welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. This
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  Speaker 1: is the recap of week of episode. Man, what episode
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  Speaker 1: are we on? I guess? I always second episode out
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  Speaker 1: of the week, the second episode of the Tuesday praise
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  Speaker 1: you for keeping track the Tuesday, UM September seventh episode.
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  Speaker 1: And the voice that you hear on the other end
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  Speaker 1: is not Ben Higgins. You guys, have you been following along?
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  Speaker 1: He actually had a c L surgery today. Filling in
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  Speaker 1: for him is Derek Paith. Oh my god, he's the
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  Speaker 1: perfect guest host today. What's up? Ash I prefer that
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  Speaker 1: actually from people. I feel like that really they have
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  Speaker 1: like a sense of comfort with me. There we go,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta feel comfortable today. That was my poor Ben
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  Speaker 1: Higgins impression. Then I won't do it again. I'll just
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  Speaker 1: be me Oh my god, because he does call me
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  Speaker 1: ash y so funny. Okay, well, I think that you're
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  Speaker 1: the perfect person for this for of a specific reason.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have any idea why I have been triggered
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  Speaker 1: many time was watching so um. I mean I say that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, mostly jokingly, but like, first of all, this
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  Speaker 1: has been an amazing season. I'm just gonna say that
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  Speaker 1: generally I haven't talked on like any podcast or whatever
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  Speaker 1: about it, so like, excuse me if I could go
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  Speaker 1: over some little things that have happened before as like yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but but I mean, this season has had the most
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  Speaker 1: like prearranged kind of things, which you know, we don't
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  Speaker 1: know if or what happened in my season, which was
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  Speaker 1: just last season, I guess, but I feel like some
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  Speaker 1: of that happened as well to me, and so it's
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  Speaker 1: been like, oh my god, I feel everyone's pain that
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  Speaker 1: it's on the like receiving end of that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember I always bring this up, like back
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  Speaker 1: during season two, Joe Bailey and Samantha Stephen never spoke
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  Speaker 1: on the phone. All they did was DM or like
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  Speaker 1: text or something, and it was the biggest controversy. So
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  Speaker 1: that was at the beginning, and now we have people
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  Speaker 1: going on that are in full blown relationships. Yes, you're right, though,
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  Speaker 1: I want I think that you're the perfect guest because
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  Speaker 1: you were kind of the victim of somebody who was
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  Speaker 1: who had a relationship back at home. Yes, and that
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  Speaker 1: was Demi. Uh, it's really no secret that Demi was
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  Speaker 1: very much in a relationship with um Christian with Christian
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  Speaker 1: Christian back back during your season, and and you were
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  Speaker 1: the guy that she led on sort of in waiting
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  Speaker 1: for her to arrive. Yeah. Um, so I gotta hand
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  Speaker 1: it to Demi in some ways, like I feel like
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  Speaker 1: people so okay, okay, okay, I'm gonna give you I
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  Speaker 1: didn't I did. This is just off the top of
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  Speaker 1: my head now. So and this isn't even because like
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  Speaker 1: I had no Demi or whatever, but I feel like
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  Speaker 1: what Demi did emboldened all these people because exactly what
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  Speaker 1: you said, Like I remember when Joe got like crucified
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  Speaker 1: for just having talked to I mean he was also
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  Speaker 1: kind of a I okay, I mean like on the
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  Speaker 1: on the on the show, he was like he had
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  Speaker 1: he had some behind this some moments where he thought
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  Speaker 1: they were behind the scenes, very much like Brendan, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like he was saying Mike thinking that like because there
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a camera directly in his face, that it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: somewhere being recorded. Oh god, that's exactly. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: it's his America's dumbest criminals. Like the Paradise version, there's
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  Speaker 1: so many people who don't who just they think they're
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  Speaker 1: going to get away with so many things. But so
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  Speaker 1: like we saw that there's like other versions of after
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  Speaker 1: like Joe basically um, you know, being hung out to
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  Speaker 1: dry that that happened. And then I think because people
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  Speaker 1: saw Demi get like so much love of for the
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  Speaker 1: way that the like relationship unraveled during like Paradise, and
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  Speaker 1: they they just must have been completely emboldened and not
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  Speaker 1: realized that this was like the number one no no
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  Speaker 1: in the show is don't come on and lie to
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  Speaker 1: the audience like that is you're basically like gas lighting
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  Speaker 1: millions of people and expecting it to turn out fine,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So the reason why I say I think
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  Speaker 1: Demmy's was like a little bit different because frankly, she
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  Speaker 1: actually did come and say like, hey, I was in
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  Speaker 1: a relationship with the girl before, and um, like I
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  Speaker 1: did leave that kind of up in the air, and
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  Speaker 1: so so she did. Honestly, in my response right was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: as long as that's there and I'm here, then I'm
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  Speaker 1: okay with that. But then it came there and like
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  Speaker 1: I mean, frankly, I left not long after. It's very
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  Speaker 1: very hard to sit there and watch that. So that's
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  Speaker 1: why I'm saying, like I can be I'm on the
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  Speaker 1: receiving end for a lot of these people who have
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  Speaker 1: kind of been through it and had to watch that.
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  Speaker 1: And I can say, without a doubt that is so
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  Speaker 1: hard because it's not like normal life. We can walk
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  Speaker 1: away and like find your own space. No, everything is there.
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  Speaker 1: You understand that too, because there's somebody who you were
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  Speaker 1: very much in love with and you had to watch it,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, I think we both shed some tears over
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  Speaker 1: that kind of a scenario. Oh my gosh. Yes, we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about that yesterday with Joe and Kendall. Because
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  Speaker 1: it's like moving on is one thing, but moving on
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  Speaker 1: when you have the direct comparison of the person that
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to move on from in front of you
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  Speaker 1: is just pretty much impossible. Well, you must have been
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  Speaker 1: feeling a lot of irony watching this episode, seeing Demi
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  Speaker 1: get annoyed at at the whole Chris and what's how
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  Speaker 1: do you say that girl's name? I know, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I wrote it down. I had to write it, Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I actually sat Saffron looked it up for me
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  Speaker 1: because I was like, I don't know what everybody's saying
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  Speaker 1: it differently. I thought it was Atlanta at first, that
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  Speaker 1: as well, Yeah, I've heard people that name that, so
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think it was that crazy. But anyway, at
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta and Chris and She's all like, yeah, get out,
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  Speaker 1: this is so unfair. Yeah, that was That's not been
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  Speaker 1: a good look for I feel like everyone's calling her
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  Speaker 1: out for that. I had my one tweet about it.
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  Speaker 1: I did. I did make one. You know, somebody had
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  Speaker 1: a funny, funny gym face about kind of the hypocrisy there,
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  Speaker 1: and so like I mean other than in the end,
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  Speaker 1: like that mean I wouldn't have been right for each other.
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  Speaker 1: So like it is what it is, you know, and um,
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  Speaker 1: we we've become friends because of that. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta call your friends out sometimes when
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  Speaker 1: they're being ridiculous. All right, well, speaking of you, like
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  Speaker 1: not working out with Demi, let's talk about where you
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  Speaker 1: are in your life right now before we go through
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the episode. So you are engaged to
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  Speaker 1: your fiance Saffron. Do you guys have a date? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we don't yet. So well, so I'll say this first
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  Speaker 1: of all, this is now an international show. I'm recording
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  Speaker 1: from London, England. A beautiful voice in the background earlier, Yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 1: so it's eight pm here, um recording. But um yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we it's so hard, like things just open up, rules
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  Speaker 1: just opened up between the countries. So we kind of
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  Speaker 1: want to shoot for something next June, but like we've
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  Speaker 1: been saying that now for five months and it's just
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  Speaker 1: so hard to plan like internationally because we are going
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  Speaker 1: to do it here in England. Um, and it's just
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  Speaker 1: so hard to plan, like with all of the changing
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  Speaker 1: rules internationally. But um yeah, but but I mean very
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  Speaker 1: happily engaged. We um. We met actually with Charlene from
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  Speaker 1: from the Bachelor. I was. I was eating dinner with
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  Speaker 1: Charlene and Andy, and she was just sitting at a
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  Speaker 1: table next to us, um at dinner. And then uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then we ended up, you know, going on some dates,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean just really quickly. You know, coronavirus forced
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  Speaker 1: us to start living together two months in uh, and
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  Speaker 1: that you know, put the fast forward on literally everything,
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  Speaker 1: because um, yeah, we're just living together very quickly. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: that's a crazy story. She's just sitting at the other
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  Speaker 1: table and You're like, that girl's cute. I have to
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  Speaker 1: talk to her. And then did you you like have
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  Speaker 1: a line or something where you just like like hi
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  Speaker 1: person next? I was actually so I I did not.
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  Speaker 1: I was a total wiss with that. But my in
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  Speaker 1: my defense, I had like a date that was meeting
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  Speaker 1: us later that night, and I just like I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: take get it, get myself to be like I'm going
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  Speaker 1: on another like meeting someone else. I'm gonna go ask
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  Speaker 1: this girl like for her number or whatever, And so
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. So luckily one of her friends
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  Speaker 1: had like watched the show. She had just moved to
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  Speaker 1: New York three days earlier, so she like they don't
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  Speaker 1: watch The Bachelor or anything in England. She knew nothing about.
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  Speaker 1: But luckily one of them knew who I was, and
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  Speaker 1: as they were drinking later, they did send me a
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  Speaker 1: d M. And I was very excited because it was
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  Speaker 1: the girl that I had been staring at dinner. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and so then um ended things with the other person
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  Speaker 1: and decided to go out with a Saffron very quickly.
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  Speaker 1: That is a great I love when stories like when
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  Speaker 1: cast when Bachelor alum or whatnot, when they don't meet
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  Speaker 1: their significant other through the show. But like, if it
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  Speaker 1: weren't from them being on the show, who knows what
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  Speaker 1: would have happened. That's what I say too about it.
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  Speaker 1: It's like if I wouldn't, Like, people can make any
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  Speaker 1: jokes all they want, but now I've I've got my
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  Speaker 1: you know, future wife because of it. So does she
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  Speaker 1: know what went down with you on these seasons that
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  Speaker 1: you've been on. She went back. So what she told
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  Speaker 1: me was before she went on the date, she didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to see any or hear anything from her friends.
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  Speaker 1: She basically was like, no, I don't want to hear
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I don't want to prejudge anything. And
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  Speaker 1: then afterwards when she was like, yes, I want to
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  Speaker 1: date him. Um, then she went and double checked to
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  Speaker 1: make sure there wasn't anything sketchy out there that you
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  Speaker 1: were engaged with her on the show, you know what. Um,
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  Speaker 1: she was like weirdly very okay with it. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think that she just like understood that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: things don't some things don't work out, and um that
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was kind of like you only know
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  Speaker 1: so much about somebody in such a short window and you,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know as well as I do. Making
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  Speaker 1: that decisions so fast on the show is like it's crazy,
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  Speaker 1: It is crazy. We we kind of talked about it,
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  Speaker 1: like it's like are they going to get engaged? But
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  Speaker 1: that is incredibly fast, and so there's no wonder why,
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  Speaker 1: like so many engagements are end like end that are
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  Speaker 1: to happen on the show, and why engagements that maybe
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  Speaker 1: happen off the show or like at a later date
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  Speaker 1: end up, you know, like you and Jared uh working
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  Speaker 1: on in a much more healthy way. Like Adam and
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  Speaker 1: Raven two Uh yeah, Kevin and Asterid those are all
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  Speaker 1: people who waited. Yeah they got, they got they just left,
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  Speaker 1: as you know, in a relationship or with each other.
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  Speaker 1: Did you at all feel like being engaged prior took
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  Speaker 1: away from like this proposal, like you had to get
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  Speaker 1: down on one knee twice. Just a reminder to the
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  Speaker 1: audience that you were engaged to Taylor Nolan beforehand. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: really going? I think I need to I should have
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  Speaker 1: free written some tough interview questions because I know how
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  Speaker 1: tough you love to get on this. Uh, didn't water
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  Speaker 1: it down for me? No, because this is like, this
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  Speaker 1: is the woman that's going to be in my life,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I knew I know that, and um,
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking at all about anybody else, you know
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  Speaker 1: at that point. That's good. That's kind of like you
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  Speaker 1: can kind of consider it like not a real engagement,
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  Speaker 1: Like does that sound horrible the one that you had prior?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna say while you're doing it, it's
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  Speaker 1: horrible if you consider it not a real engagement, Like
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  Speaker 1: you need to feel like it's real. You should. I've
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  Speaker 1: talked to people about that before that I've like kind
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  Speaker 1: of gone through that process and then ended it, and
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  Speaker 1: they've said that they felt like it wasn't real, and
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  Speaker 1: then that made like everything else feel not real, like
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  Speaker 1: they were just acting in their whole life. And so
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you like make yourself believe it
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  Speaker 1: more or you um like you know through it. But
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  Speaker 1: I always felt like, no, I am, like I'm making
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  Speaker 1: this real life, you know, but I'm not gonna lie
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  Speaker 1: like I honest normal person. I think as you like
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  Speaker 1: get further away from it, it becomes easier to be like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, like there was a lot of pressure
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  Speaker 1: around me from other people to do that, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: people on social media or like you know, other cast
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  Speaker 1: members or like producers, whatever. It is, like, it's not
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  Speaker 1: hidden that that's that there's pressure to you know, normally
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  Speaker 1: in your normal life, there's not somebody who's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you want to take this ring and go That's not
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  Speaker 1: a normal thing. You know this, It's not some hidden secret.
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  Speaker 1: So now I asked just because there are so many
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  Speaker 1: couples that get engaged at the end of the main
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  Speaker 1: show Bachelor, Bachelorette and they're like, you know, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: have a ring on my finger, but we're dating now,
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  Speaker 1: you know, see, I think that's that's the that's a
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  Speaker 1: sign that it's then I really I yeah, I really
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  Speaker 1: don't think I don't think. I think if you're then
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  Speaker 1: why did you get why did you take the ring?
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  Speaker 1: Like why don't you have that conversation with somebody that's
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  Speaker 1: that's like, look, I just want to date you, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think people would respect that more. So I'm gonna
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: spend this back around out of an interview of Darren
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  Speaker 1: and back to the show. But that's where it's like,
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  Speaker 1: I think, if you're pretending to be someone on TV
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  Speaker 1: and you're pretending in your real life is different, Like
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  Speaker 1: that's a recipe for a disaster, and that's like exactly
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  Speaker 1: what's happening with all these people, you know, because I
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  Speaker 1: so I tried to write him all down, so Brendan
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  Speaker 1: and had a great job switching this because I was
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  Speaker 1: literally going to bring it to this like, who the
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  Speaker 1: heck can actually get engaged at the end of this? Alright?
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  Speaker 1: So oh yeah, but I'm with you on that. Who
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  Speaker 1: I like, I'm not seeing anybody when I'm going this
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  Speaker 1: would make sense right now, guys, audience, I think that
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  Speaker 1: there might be like seven days left right now, seven
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  Speaker 1: days ish until these people are supposed to get down
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  Speaker 1: on one knee. Yeah, I wonder if that's why they're
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  Speaker 1: spreading him out to be one episode each week to
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  Speaker 1: make us feel like it's more realised. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: will say Joe and uh oh Serena. Sorry, yes, Serena,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. I didn't write anything down because they weren't
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  Speaker 1: in this episode and I always forget her name. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but they I know that like everything happened with Kendall
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  Speaker 1: and that that's like a hit too. It could be
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  Speaker 1: like a hit to that, But frankly, they've been I
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  Speaker 1: think the most like you know about it, and that
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  Speaker 1: could maybe bring them closer. It might be the only
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  Speaker 1: one that I can see. They seem good, but they
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  Speaker 1: seem that strong. I don't know, because just the last
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  Speaker 1: time we really saw them interact, well, I guess they
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: were talking about Kendall, but before that they were talking
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: about like how they spell your last name. It just
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  Speaker 1: I just feel like we haven't seen enough of that.
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  Speaker 1: But I also feel like we were left almost on
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  Speaker 1: a cliffhanger with Joe and Kendall. They opened the whole
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  Speaker 1: week right like this is the storyline that we've all
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  Speaker 1: been waiting for, and then we get ten fifteen minutes
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  Speaker 1: and you're thinking, Oh, it's going to definitely be brought
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  Speaker 1: up again. On Tuesday's episode Nothing, we basically go four
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  Speaker 1: hours without any more Joe and Kendall's stuff. We're going
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  Speaker 1: into like this coming Monday will be a Rose ceremony,
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  Speaker 1: so like what I mean, but also how is Kendall
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  Speaker 1: going to still be well? I my my thought is
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  Speaker 1: that she's probably gonna have another serious conversation with him
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  Speaker 1: during the rose ceremony, cocktail our thing or like seven hours,
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  Speaker 1: you know exactly hour and then especially paradise those things
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  Speaker 1: and tell what like six am and were to like
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  Speaker 1: fourth thirty that I feel like they're going to have
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  Speaker 1: this thing where he's gonna be like, no, I really
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything here for us to continue
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  Speaker 1: to explain or and then she's just going to go home.
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  Speaker 1: This is my faery. But she's not talking to anybody,
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  Speaker 1: and like there's it's the next episode. That's why I
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: want to know, like, are you guys actually talking, because
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  Speaker 1: like I want you guys to like fully, uh get
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  Speaker 1: this out. You know, this is your last chance. You
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  Speaker 1: need to like exhaust all options here. I know I
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  Speaker 1: know that like Ben probably will hate listening to this
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  Speaker 1: if he does Ben listen to this while you're recovering
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  Speaker 1: from your niece. Check check up on me. I missed you,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: by the way, I need to text you. Um, So
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I want to just skip ahead since we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: Joe to how amazingly like a like Chicago gangster Joe.
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  Speaker 1: My god, I was gonna tell. I was gonna say
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: it was the mafia between Riley and him, sob and
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: stereotype and you're good and funny right now? Oh yeah,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: was Riley was his was his mafia lawyer basically because
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: he's a lawyer, right yeah. And like when I told
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: when I explained that to Saffron, she was like, oh, yes,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: that makes total sense now why he's because she was like,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: why is he getting involved in that? And I was like, oh,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: he's a lawyer, so we know that he's like very
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: practiced in that. But I way, I wrote down what
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Joe wrote, and he just kept being like, I think
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: he's got to go. I can't help it. But I
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: feel I feel like I thought PAULI was gonna have
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: to come down and take this Chris dude out of here. Okay,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have to talk about christ in a little while.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: You guys, this has been really fun so far, but
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: we have to take a break and then we'll dive
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: into the episode and more of a chronological order. You're back,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: all right, guys. We have special guests on the line.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Name is Aaron. She's a commentator for The Ultimate Surfer,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: which is the show that follows the Bachelor and Bachelor
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: in Paradise on ABC. And tonight we have some special
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: alluh of Bachelor lums making an appearance. So hello, Aaron,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: is so good to have you on here. Hi you guys,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: thanks for having me of course. So what is Mike
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Johnson and Hannah an Sluice? What are they doing on
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: the show tonight? So each and every week we like
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: to just uh make it nice and difficult for our
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: competitive surfers that are competing for the chance to be
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: crowned the Ultimate Surfer, and we like to throw in
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: some you know, complications and see how you can handle
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: things on the fly. And uh, tonight's episode you can
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: check out. We're going to give them an opportunity to teach,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: to be the teacher and see if they can teach
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Mike and Hannah how to surf and Hannah and Mike
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: will I don't know if it's giving a rose because
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I actually didn't get to see this part, which I
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: heard was absolutely super fun and incredible. I didn't get
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: to be there on set. Um. I was doing my
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: own thing. But uh, they basically crown who they believe
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: is the best teacher. And I don't know if you
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: guys have been able to surf or if you've attempted to.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I tried. It's hard. I've tried before. I'm laughing already
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: at the idea of Mike trying to surf because I
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: know how tall he is, and it is the tall
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: you are very, very very hard to stand up. Yeah. Yeah,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: And that's why you know, I feel like being a
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: teacher of surfing isn't as easy as it looks. And
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: so you know, like if you were to look at
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: me and try to surf, I might be a cat
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: on a surfboard, no joke. And so you may see
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: that today when it comes to Mike and Hannah, because
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: picking up surfing is really really hard. So you're gonna
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: get some good an or tame it. Um. I think
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: when you watch tonight's show, especially for Bachelor Nation, that's
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: for sure. Why did you guys select the two of them?
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Out of all Bachelor alum to learn how to surf
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: on TV. Well, I mean maybe they've volunteered. I don't
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: know how they got to be the lucky ones, but um,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the good news is I think they're inexperienced, and so
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: that was definitely what we wanted to What we wanted
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: to portray to the fan that's tuning in is an
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: overall sense of appreciation that maybe it looks easy, but
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, it's really hard. And
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: so um, I think that that's what you're gonna get,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: a fun little dose of understanding how challenging it really
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: is to get on a surfboard. And if you guys
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: at home have never tried take a board, get out
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: on the water and attempt it is it is not
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: easy for me. And you know, I'm from so cal
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I grew up surfing during the summers and it's embarrassing
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: you try to get me on a surfboard. So I
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: think that they were just up for the challenge, and
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: they were the lucky ones, let's be honest. Very interesting. No,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not doubting how hard it would be. I can't
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: even get on like a boogie board in a pool,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: so um, okay, So where are we in the season
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: right now? Is it easy to catch up? Can people
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: who are watching Bachelor in Paradise tonight easily just go
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: in and start watching um The Ultimate Surfer? Yes, yes, yes, yes,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: tonight is episode six that we have, including tonight, three
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: more episodes, okay, um, And everybody that I've talked to,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, they just feel like it sucks them
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: in from the beginning, and the surfing has gotten better
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and better. So if you're kind of into alliances, there's
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: a little backstabbing and you see some strategy, and of
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: course it's perfect for Bachelor Nation who are already tuned
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: in the Bachelor in Paradise to kind of just get
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: into another surf show, which I feel like was It's
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: so great because it's truly like escapism at its finest.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: It's like beautiful people on surfboards wiping out surfing incredible. Um,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and then you're gonna get a great little surprise with
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation for Hannah and Mike tonight. So I tuned
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: in tonight to nine Central on ABC. Or if you
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: guys want to catch up on on the entirety of
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the season, check out Hulu because we're streaming there and
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: you can you can get all the other episodes that
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: UM have aired so far. I got a question on
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Instagram last week. Somebody asked, why does nobody get into
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the water in Paradise. It looks like nobody's out there slipping,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: And I said, because there is an extreme undertow. It's
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: really scary. I got sucked in there before, Derek. Did
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: you experience that one person? And I don't remember who
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: it was because it was like a while back, but um,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the first season I was, I was on Paradise. They
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: actually do have some surfboards there, and he like, yeah,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: act it before the lifeguards who were there could notice,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: and went out and was just kind of like paddling
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: around and the undertow suddenly took him out about I'm
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: not kidding, like probably seventy yards out there, like past. Yeah,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: and he was not sure how to handle that, so
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: that they did have to go and like pull pull
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: him in and save him. Um. So, I mean I
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: think that that would have been the first unseen Bachelor
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: attempting to surf. Uh So, I'm sure it's gonna be
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: that was unseen. I'm sure that it's gonna be very
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: fun and uh, you know, a good reminder to see
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: some Bachelor people on actually attempt with some with some
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: good professional teachers who know what they're doing. Yeah, um, Aaron,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: do you see that at all? Like is there any
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: danger scare moments? Yeah? Well, you know, it's really interesting.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: So I interviewed the CEO of the World Surf League
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: last night before episode five, Eric Logan, and he brought
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: up a really interesting point. The show is served at
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: the Surf Ranch and it's not on the north shore
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: of Oahu, where let's say, you know, a leg of
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the Championship tour is on pipeline, as he had mentioned,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: is incredibly dangerous for the surfers who haven't surved before.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: So exactly what you're saying ash that the undertow it's
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: just dangerous and maybe Bachelor and Paradise doesn't want to
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: know come out and be rescued by some lifeguard with
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: a booie. Um, maybe he was just he or she
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: just doesn't want to face that reality because it really
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: is challenging. And that's why we ended up having the
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: show at the surf ranch because it's a little bit safer.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: It's waves on demand and you know, it's a little bit.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I think the competition it levels the playing field, so
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: everybody sort of gets the exact same wave as opposed to,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: like you said, in the ocean where it is actually
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: really dangerous. It's like the perfect mash up, the perfect
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: mash up for whoever DMG that Yeah, yes, all right,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Well guys, thank you so much Aaron for coming on
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: and you guys out there. It's after Bachelor in Paradise tonight.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Three more episodes left with the Ultimate Surfer on ABC.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you Aaron, by you guys, thank you for thank
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: you so much. Alright, take it easy, see later to bye.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Al Right, so let's we'll get into the Chris. The
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Chris drama is what dominates this entire episode. Um. But
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: at first we have well we have our new host
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: walk into the room, and that is Titus Burgess. Is
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: am I was saying that right, because he sent multiple
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: times it sounded like he was saying tight ass well
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: he was singing everything as well. He would probably appreciate that.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I know. I was like, is he trying to make
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: a pun on his name and it's a tight ass
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: party he did? Yeah, tight as part? Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I think that is a pun. Alright, so he kind
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: of announces that there's gonna be this v I P party. Yeah,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: and the people who are invited are Becca Aaron, Noah,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Abigail Kenny, Jena, Chris, Deandra Riley, James Thomas, and Demi.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: And at first, I'm like, this is lame invite list,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: because like, these people are either coupled up or they're
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: so strongly coupled up with somebody back at home and
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: nothing's going to happen. But we were wrong because Chris
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: obviously it was dating somebody at home name yeah, um
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: we had oh Aleah was there to Elena. That was
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: very confusing. That was very confusing Alia and Elena, and
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: it's almost as if they didn't even announce Elena. She
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: really went under the radar. There was Kenna who also
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: showed up, and so did Chelsea. And my best guess
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: is that Aliah wait, no, Elena, Elena and Nickenna both
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: aren't even going to make further appearances. I think they're
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: just I think they just went to the two. I
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: agree with you. I think it's just the two. Well,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: this is like, so, when uh, when JPJ decided to
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: make a I forgot all about this this. Yeah, you
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: were there. I think I was talking to you guys
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: when that started. Actually yeah, but all that so that
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: was like a similar thing. You know, they had like
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people come and it wasn't like explicitly said,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: but then a few people did come back to like
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Paradise because of that, and they made it like more explicit.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I think, you know as well as I do, Like
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I would be interested to know, first of all, what
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: kind of music and stuff. It's it was weird to
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: see them at this party like dancing and whatever, but
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: there's like not the energy that usually is there from
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: going out because it's just like this small group of people.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I can feel that being really uncomfortable. But it is
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: awesome to leave when you've been stuck there for like
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: two weeks. So I think people like they know that
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the second that people leave and they introduce new people,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: it's like a recipe for people to just forget about
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: whoever was at the beach. It's very much like the
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: wedding when you guys went to Crystal and Chris's wedding,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: because you're getting a different environments that already gives you
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: some sort of like different mentality, mentality and then yeah,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: a party atmosphere. Uh so, guys, we see that Chris
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Chris SE's Elena, and all of a sudden everything is
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: done with him in Jena and it is the weirdest
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: thing ever because he literally makes that with her in
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: what seems to be like five minutes after she walks in,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: with just a total disregard to Jasnia complete gosh, I
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: felt so bad when she saw that. But but then
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: the other thing is they were not hiding anything. How
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Like that was so much lack of even just social awareness.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Who does that just in front of we already have
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: to like remove some barriers of course because we're you're
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: on the show, and like yeah, when you kiss somebody,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: there's camera and stuff, but like that much lack of
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: awareness where everybody else is sitting there watching you, it
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: seems incredibly weird disregard, like just like so emotionally reckless.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Recoss is right on both their parts too, not not
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: just like Chris. But what did we expect though? And
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: what I'm sorry, what did you sendy expect from Mr
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: smoke Bro? Yeah, I guess you know. And also I'm
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: sorry to throw this out there. I feel like this
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: is like something that people are probably gonna forget pretty
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: quickly or have forgotten. But just said, you kind of
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: did this to Ivan just now, like there is she's
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: coming in hot. But I think like there's a lot
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: of I'm the victim going on because then later on
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Tammy kind of does the same thing. But these people
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: kind of have and and what oh and what's her name?
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: U Mari kind of dug her own grave as well.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of people here who have just
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: like not been thinking about two steps ahead. Yeah, the
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: karma kind of comes back around for these people. Yeah,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: like I do think if you want to call a karma,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, like you can't help your where your heart
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: leads you. But well, all right, Chris, that sounds like
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: something Chris wrote to say on this episode, though he
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: kept talking about that my bad, you can do it
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: was tact and like and you know, respect and all that,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: which just Senya did it with more respect back when
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: she did it to Ivan. However, at the end of
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the day, it's not that much different. Yeah, I'm I'm
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: giving Gesennia did this much more tactually than Chris. But
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: but I still I gotta I gotta say that we
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: need some people looking in the mirror here a little bit. Okay, good,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: good job to putting that out. Back at the beach,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: we see like Tammy's freaking out because she's like, what
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: if Thomas meets somebody there? Yeah, and everybody has a
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: general sense of anxiety, understandably, especially when then just Senda
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: came back though and said yeah, then, like Marissa was
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: breaking down to they all, nobody was feeling very secure, know,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: and I can just see in Tammy's face when she
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: saw the Senda come down shot, you know, because just
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Send He's like, there's like you know, he's there's a girl,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and there's a girl. And then like you could tell,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Tammy's like, what girl? What girls? Tell me everything? I'm
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: supposed to care about you right now. I know you're
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: really upset, but like I'm really really worried about myself. Yeah, exactly. Okay,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: So the next day we have that Mari and Kenny
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: conversation where they kind of say to each other, let's
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: just revamp this. It's back to the two of us.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: We really like, I was really scared because I like
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: you so much. I've never had feelings like this before.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: They both say that they've never felt these feelings before,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: and I mean, do you buy it again? I don't
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: feel it? Yes, No, I was first of all, after
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: what I just said about like that, a lot of
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: people Doug your own grave. What show did Mari think
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: she was going on? Because her timing before and I know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: like you guys have talked about this already for her,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: because why would you time. I don't know if I
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: want to be with you when you aren't capable of
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: like seeing anybody new, when nobody already asked you on
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: a date. It's like nobody has shown any interest and
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: you haven't shown any interests, So why are you ending
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: this now? Well? I was confused with that with Abigail
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: and Noah too, I'm like, it's totally it's going great.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Why are you ending this when it's why ending this now?
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: And then again they rekindled Yeah, and yeah, they definitely did.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, we don't see much of them, so I
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: guess I don't think they're like yeah, yeah, I don't.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I feel like they aren't either. Um. I mean Kenny,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like clearly loves to be in the He's
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: like one of those guys that doesn't cause the drama,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: but he clearly loves to be involved in it. I mean,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: it's got to be reason and I'm sorry, but he's
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: like forty and not been in a relationship and a
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: boy band manager. Being involved in a lot of drama
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: seems like, let's write that on his card as well. Um,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: like he definitely most guys wouldn't be like, oh, you're
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: not into me, let me go sleep with another girl
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: who's living in the same room as you. You know,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: what a decision to make. So I mean they're they're reconciling.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think this goes anywhere, but good for him
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: for maybe choosing someone who's like he cares about a
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: little bit more. I don't know. Do you think that
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Mari has any idea that Demi and him had sex? Oh?
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know, that's right. She hasn't talked about that.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: That could be a bomb. That could be a bomb
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: that doesn't happen until after the show is over and
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: he has to tell her. Oh, that's like the reunion
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: show kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Mari is talking like someone who knows that. I think
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you're right. I know. Okay, Well, then we get to
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: the point where Demi basically says, how are you breaking
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: up with me? She's so mean, she's so naughty, She's
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: the meanest ever, and you had sex with me. Demi
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: has an ego problem. We know that, we do. I mean,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: it's her entire reaction to everything this season has been
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: because of a bruise ego. I feel she's just astonished
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: at the fact that, like, maybe she's not somebody's top choice. Yeah,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: as she is definitely not used to hear no, Like
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: we can we can see that. Um. I couldn't say, now,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: all right, I'm not better than any of this, but um,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: she went in hard. I'm so like, this was surprising
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: me that she went in so hard on Mari instead
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: of just like being more real with Kenny. Like she
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: definitely completely made sure that there was no chance with Kenny,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like going to that route
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: is um, I don't. I don't know that he even
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: was sure yet, but I think she like settled it
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that he was for him at least, that he was
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: making the right decision. She's like, I'm so much fun.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: How can you know what I feel? With me? It
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: was just funny. I'm like, Demi you're you have so
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: many sides to you, and sometimes I just sometimes I'm like,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: this is a band, and I talked about this yesterday,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: but I'm like, I feel like you present yourself a
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: such a tough cookie that you shouldn't even let this
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: bother you, And I can't believe you're letting a guy
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: like Kenny get to Yeah. I think, um, I think
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Demi is one of those people. And this is why
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I like she can seem so chaotic on the show,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: because like I do think we like we try to
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: put everybody in a box, and let's be frank, like,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: most of most of us fit in a box. But
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I think she's one of the people that can't be
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: like put in a box, and so that's why she
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: confuses a lot of people. When you're watching, you don't
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: think that she she'd come across as desperate, but there
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: were multiple times where she comes across as desperate because
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: she was like, let's go to the boom boom room
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, cringe, cringe, cringe.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: And then the next morning she was like, I think
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: she gets a boom bom room again. I'm like, oh
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: my god. Yeah, and then and then she cries about
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: feeling being so desperate because she realized it's how desperate
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: she was. Well, she's silf aware in those moments, and
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I like that. That's fun, that's true. Well, so then
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Atlanta actually comes in, right, Can we talk about Atlanta
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: and the fact that she doesn't seem like she has
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: a brain up there. I don't again, who have these
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: people watched this show? She seems to not have any
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: clue like what is happening or what's going on? One
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: she seems like she's a I see personality to the
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: fact that they ever thought that this plan was going
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: to work in their favor is just demented. Like I mean,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I hate to say it, I'm gonna say this. Uh,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: there's a very clear like I think we've seen this
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: before or two. There's a very clear distinction between like
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: people who maybe left that night one or night too,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: who didn't really ever get their chance on like the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Bachelor or Bachelor atte and that they kind of they
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: put this bravado out there in their own lives like
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: oh I was on the show, and then they come
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: back to Paradise and it's so clear like they just
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: totally screwed up because they're coming in with that same
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: kind of like cockiness almost and all of these other
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: people have been there too, and it's like, bro, why
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: do you think, why are you talking like your special?
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: We also were on the show, and we do you
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like it's almost as if they're
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: like a little bit embarrassed and then they come in
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: to try and like put this out there. I think
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: both of them came in with that almost like overconfident,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: especially thinking that they could get this over on the
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: producers who know everything. It's almost like it was like
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: a reaction of being insecure though, so like you're saying
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: it's like over cocky, it's being you know, cocky, but
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: at the same time, I think it's out of security. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: it's a response. I think you're right. I think you're right.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: So okay, it just seems odd. They never admitted unlike
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Brendan and Piper, we don't have any sound bites of
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: them being like, can you believe how many follows I
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: got after the s Weekly article and like all that.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: We don't have proof that they actually got together prior
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: to the show for followers. But they also don't really
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: deny it at all right, Yeah, they're not really like
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: that's not especially when Joe and Riley are like going
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: in hard on Chris later, they're not beating around the
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah they're not. He's not saying no, I didn't do that,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: because I think that he knows. I think I think
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: at that point he's like, oh and and Riley even
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: brought up the d M S. I think at that
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: point he's like, oh, no, who has what you know
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: what I mean, like you see it on his face.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: And I really think that's why he's like, I do
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: need to leave, like I need to cut my losses
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: because they got me, they caught me. Well, just Sena
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: makes a point to say that Alah Lena Alia Alia
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: was there when they when Chris and her initially met
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: in San Diego, So it sounds like there was like
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: this meet up in San Diego where just Sena met Chris,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: and then the only other girl there that was swarting
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: with him as well was Elena or Leia sorry guys.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: And then but Jena felt like she had the upper
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: hand on that. She said that I was seeming desperate,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: so I guess it was a turn of events for
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: for her to see that obviously he didn't think that
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: she was being desperate, and it looks as if they
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: had hung out multiple times since that group hang out.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't look this up. Do you know where just
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Senny lives? No? But I know that she was at
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: that San Diego hangout. Yeah, I know that too. I
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: want to know who lives awhere now. But I because
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's a big part that could be
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: a big part of like did Chris and Elenna, Like
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: were they hanging out and nobody really knew because they
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: just lived close And we're doing it under like raps
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: kind of Um, do you know what I'm saying? Like
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: in his just Sendy living somewhere else, like I think
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: somewhere else. I don't think Sandiego. Yeah no, no, Um,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, there's a lot of conjecture here. We're
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: like guessing at a lot of things. But but I
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: do think I do think that Chris and Atlanta when
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: they're as we watched their date, it was like one
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: of the cringest things you could ever see because I
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: do think that they were like saying what they thought
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: bachelor people should say. Yeah, it was so cringe e.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: The whole kiss position was also cringe e. She just
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: seemed like she had nothing to say. It made me
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: feel so awkward. And just to backtrack to the party again,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: if they did have this grand scheme and they planned
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: it out, why not plan it to be a little
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: bit more natural, seeming have a flirty conversation, show a
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: little interest, but also give just Senia a good part
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: of your attention that night, and then you know that
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: they're going to put a laya back into Paradise and
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: you can say yes to a date without it being
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: so obvious that there was something prior. Yeah, you're so right.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that, but there was no like,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: here's why I like her. They went straight like tongue
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: and throat connected. That was it wild. Yeah, yeah, you're
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: so right. Two little things left to touch on, because
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: we did sort of already talk about the showdown between
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: the Mob and Chris and I'm scaring them out of Paradise.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Aaron and Chelsea go on a date. So now Aaron
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: was she was she was kind of talking to Becca
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: but not so much. And now Becca goes on a
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: date with Thomas and they hit it off. So there's
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: not really any messing of the triangles there except for
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: the fact that Tammy and Thomas are now looking like
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: they're over right. Yeah, completely exactly. But I will say
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I think, um, it was a bold move. That's a
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: bold move by Chelsea to be like, who are you
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: seeing the former bachelorette. I'm going to take you on
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: a date, like I guess, I know you know, good
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: for you, But that like that takes that takes some
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: some guts because um, there were then their date really
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't that like there's not much to talk about really
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: with it? I would say, no, their date wasn't much
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: to talk about. They definitely like each other more than
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Aaron and Becca like each other. I didn't think that
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Aaron and Becca were ever going to be a thing.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: It just didn't make sense. It's interesting. It will be
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: interesting to see what becomes of Becca and Thomas though,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: because I still don't feel like there's a lot of
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: time yes to really get serious. That was like a
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: golden date move. Whoever whoever drew that card up, because
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I mean there was what I just mean like, it
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: did look like Becca may not be around based on
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: how Yeah, and she needed that door to open. She
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: definitely did, and like Thomas. I think was so he
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: had been hated on so much, he was not gonna,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: you know, like I think he had to put his
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: tail between his legs and was like, gonna stay with
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Tammy and then they just wouldn't be together. But I
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: think he was like, he was like, I'm going to
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: enjoy the screen time, but not tippany apple carts. But
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: he couldn't say no to that. No, not at all.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: And I don't even think he looks bad going on
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: the date with Becca because he and Tammy just seemed
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: like people who were like making out and having fun.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: We were never like going to consider them a strong couple. Uh.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Interesting that we're not seeing a lot of Tia, which
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: kind of disappoints me. I think he is very interesting.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: And she always like she gets fun after like two
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: drinks and says some She and Raven both they we
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: know they're friends. After two drinks, they've got like some
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: southern saying that nobody's ever heard before. And I do want, like,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: amidst all this drama, it is nice to have some lightheartedness,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: and I do hope I hope that comes back. I
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: hope we've got some lightheartedness in the future. Yeah, and
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: then kay, so let's talk about how Chris and la
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: are basically kicked out of Paradise. They intimidate them enough
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: to be like, you know, we we know that you,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: we know that you came here together, we know what
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: bunk you're sleeping. Yeah, so get out of here out
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. And you know, this
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: was the grand plan because just and he was like,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: can we vote them off the island? You know, I
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, this is gonna be the
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: first time we're like the cast creaks somebody out in
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: order to have them leave. And I wonder if this
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: is wells kept teasing, like there was something that we're
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: never gonna that we have never seen before in Paradise
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: that we were going to see this season, like getting
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: forced out. Yeah, Like is that maybe it is? This
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: is like, I mean, look, actually this just came to me.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Joe has been looking like he's on Survivor the whole time.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: He might have been watching too much and he's going
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: to merge the two shows. I guess for us, I
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, look, I don't see how people
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: layoff of Brendan like after this, especially with some of
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: the things he specifically has said, like Piper, Piper is
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: not out of it, but like he has said some
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: some he has he has gone down that hole of
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: blaming other people. We're going to talk about that and
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: some statistics that prove it right after this break. Okay,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: so we are talking about how Brendan is just never
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: going to seemingly recover from this because he just said
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: too many outrageous things on Monday night's episode. And I'm
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: going to pull up my Bachelor data profile. Here is Instagram.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: We had this girl who runs the Instagram Bachelor data
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: on the podcast I think back in May, and the
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: stats from today are absolutelyable. Well it's actually quite believable,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: but it's believable and I'm louvable at the same time. Really, yeah,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: perfect karma for people who clearly we're trying to get
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: more followers. I know, like, it's crazy how many people
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: got on their phones last night and I was like, Okay,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: I am going to unfollowed these people who just came
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: here for followers. Thirty seven thousands so far have unfollowed Brendan.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: He's now below the amount of followers that he even
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: entered Paradise with. Um. Yes, he has now downgraded himself
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: to like post bachelor ate numbers. Then we have Piper,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: who doesn't seem as affected. She looks like she's dropped.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: She dropped four thousand overnight, so it's not sizable, but
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: like compared to her following, it's sizeable because she has
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: less than a hundred thousand to begin with. Um Brendan
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: had about three hundred and thirty something thousand followers to
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: begin with, all right, but the biggest jump of the
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: night was Natasha, who gained in the past less than
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: twenty four hours a hundred and four thousand followers. And
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: it's funny because I started following Natasha last night and
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: I went to go unfollowed Brendan, and I realized I
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: was never following Brendan. Oh, there you go. As it
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: should be, though, because you should not if if this
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: is your goal, come on, you know, like the number
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: one sin. It's just like perfect, you know, circling back
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: like the number one sin on the show is just
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: lying when clearly everyone knows you're lying. You know, I
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: guess so hard to cover this up. Everybody had already
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: seen some of these articles and things. This was not
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: something that they were going to skillfully be able to
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: sweep under the covers, you know. And and Brendan really
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: set himself up for some uh you know, well do
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: response by just saying all the things he said to Natasha.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: I know you guys already covered this, but like, as
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: as as it should be good work Bachelor Nation, he
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: does poke poke funded himself. On his most recent Instagram,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: which was a teaser for last night's episode, it says
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: here for the wrong reasons, at least he's able to
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: sort of laugh at himself. I don't know if I
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: call it that. I don't know, Okay, okay, Well, so
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I think the big question here is why we're Chris
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: and Aalia kicked out, peer pressured out, and as Natasha
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: brings up at the end of the episode, nobody's trying
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: to kick out Piper and Brendan. Is it because Brendan
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: was like their boy and he was around since the
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: very beginning? They created too much of a relationship to
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: be that mad. I mean a lot of hypocrisy there.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: She's She's definitely right, yeah, And I hope we see
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: something And I think even more so I do too,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: because I think even more so with the secret miked
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: up conversation that we saw. That was that they didn't
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: that they didn't realize like the other people didn't know
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: that they had that conversation. And now that we know it,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: that's true because if you followed everybody on Twitter yesterday,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: there was people like Tammy and Demi. Everybody was like
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: freaking out saying John on the ground because they had
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: never seen that Mike depth conversation. So they probably didn't
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: think it was as bad as we the audience thought
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: finding out about their little scheme, because because as the audience,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: we think that their scheme is worse than the Chris
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: and l A totally yeah, because they're just really bad,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: easy actors. But like the other thing there is the
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: receipts nobody had to go looking for. They drop. They
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: dropped him right in front of the cameras for us,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: so crazy. All right, well we have some Bachelor headlines.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Our first one is I'm glad we're clearing this up
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: grocery store. Joe. Joe Moble clarifies whether or not he
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: and Kendall Long were engaged. So many cast members said, like,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: oh his expience, you guys, they were never engaged. He
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: said this this week on social media. I was not engaged,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: um and that. Yeah, I thought that was weird that
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: people thought that they keep going. Yeah, I mean I
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: could keep it in. Yeah they were, Yeah, they were together,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: but for a long time. It was a serious enough
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: relationship where I think they could have gotten engaged, but
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: they were not. Oh, grocery store Joe also just like
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: some tweets calling out his ex Kendall long. This is interesting,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I know. I think that was Mafia store Joe. Mafia
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Mafia Joe. Grocery store Joe was always just the front. Okay,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: so here are the tweets that he liked. That hey
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: butt headline made me want to cut my eyeballs and
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: ears off. And again I'm team Thomas and team Joe
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: and Serena are a beautiful couple. Okay, so they're not
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: really harsh, but they're obvious points to the fact that
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Kendall and Joe are not together. I think he should,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: like he should have been annoyed that she showed up
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: and was like stirring the pot. I think kind of unnecessarily,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: you know, because like I can see as a viewer now,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: the fact that we're not seeing her like try to
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: or like connect with anybody. It kind of makes it
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: almost more annoying, like that X who just decides to
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: force a conversation on you that doesn't necessarily like need
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: to be had. Um, I don't know, I could, I
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: could see being annoyed by that. So I see both
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: of like, I see frustrations on all their side. I
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: see like everything from the Joe and Kendall storyline from
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: multiple sides. I just feel very invested in there and
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: like there's too much emotion for me to even like really, yeah,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying this to like blame Kendall
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: by the way. Yeah, I'm just saying I get his
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: frustration with liking one tweet like that. Oh yeah, I
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: make that makes sense. That's fine. And nobody ever thinks
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: that they're going to like have people look at their
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: favorite even even though we should, we shouldn't think that
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: people are going to do that. That's like the next
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: after Bachelor data, that's going to be the next like
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: what tweets did Bachelor people Like I got scared to
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: like like anything for a while because I don't want
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: people over analyzing anything. Um. And our last Bachelor headline
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: is Kelly Flannagan shares a health update amidst lime disease battle.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: She said, I wanted to pop in and thank every
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: single one of you that has been messaging me. I
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: know this is a very controversial thing, um, she said,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: whether it's documentaries, books, you name it. I'm looking up
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: everything and trying to keep my life super super clean
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: in terms of food, makeup, skincare, detergent's toothpaste and getting
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: all the talkins out of my life. Um. She says
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: that she's feeling better and again, I just want to
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: thank every single one of you who has messaged me
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: because this is a very very strange road to go
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: down and there's not much research on it. I hope
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: that you find something that helps friend. You know, it
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: sucks that we don't have a kid. Yeah, I have
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  Speaker 1: one friend that's been down that road and it is
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  Speaker 1: not like that is a very tough thing to go
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  Speaker 1: through because there's just not many answers. Yeah, I feel
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  Speaker 1: for her. No, And it can like it has such
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  Speaker 1: a huge range of symptoms because you know Ryan Sutter
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  Speaker 1: has it too, and he was just like it's like
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  Speaker 1: for him, it just felt ability. It can can cause
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  Speaker 1: a lot of differs. I know all right. Well, guys,
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  Speaker 1: Derek has been a fantastic co host for me. We'd
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  Speaker 1: love to have you any time that Ben has to
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  Speaker 1: step out, because you have such great insight into the
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  Speaker 1: show and you are so honest and of course always
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  Speaker 1: appreciate the unfiltered. Oh, I'm always sticking my foot in
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  Speaker 1: my mouth and some future time, well, that's what makes
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  Speaker 1: you interesting. And if we don't mess up, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if we don't say stupid things sometimes, then we're probably
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  Speaker 1: just boring. Amen to that. Yeah, alright, well, guys, thank
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