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Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Oct 26 2026 · The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
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  Speaker 2: So we're taking a quick moment here to follow up
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  Speaker 2: on a story we told you about from last week.
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  Speaker 2: It was on October, well, a little more than a week,
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  Speaker 2: October 15th, 2026, Silver Rail Elementary School in Bend, Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: A former special education student at the school decided to
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  Speaker 2: go to his school with a shotgun and try to
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  Speaker 2: shoot as many children and teachers as he could. He
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  Speaker 2: blasted through the locked doors. And by the way, these
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  Speaker 2: are important. It's not just about giving the hero here
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  Speaker 2: his due, which we will shortly. But Clay, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's also important to really have everyone understand what security
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  Speaker 2: features worked and what didn't. What matters in this situation
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  Speaker 2: to save lives and to protect children who are helpless
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  Speaker 2: and what does not matter. And people say things like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we're just going now. I understand lock is not the
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  Speaker 2: only thing, but just having locked doors on the school,
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  Speaker 2: the guy came up and blasted it, and now it's
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  Speaker 2: an open door. It took one second. Didn't slow him
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  Speaker 2: down at all. So this mass shooter, who we will
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  Speaker 2: not name, killed three children and a 25-year-old teacher, an
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  Speaker 2: education assistant. He also wounded a 7-year-old and a 54-year-old teacher.
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  Speaker 2: He had already fired about 15 rounds when he was
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  Speaker 2: engaged here by the good guy, by the hero. And
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  Speaker 2: for anyone who was wondering, he had dozens more rounds
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  Speaker 2: on his person when he was stopped. That is when
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Giammanco, 36-year-old carpenter and father of two daughters at
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  Speaker 2: the school, he was driving home for lunch after dropping
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  Speaker 2: his girls off for picture day. He saw a man
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  Speaker 2: in black firing at a red pickup and a woman
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  Speaker 2: mowing the lawn, then watched him throw the shotgun over
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  Speaker 2: the fence and climb in. Giammanco grabbed his legally owned.
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  Speaker 2: 40 caliber pistol from his center console of his car,
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  Speaker 2: loaded it, called 911 and told the dispatcher, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: I have to go in. People are going to die.
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  Speaker 2: He jumped the fence. Army crawled through a shot-out window
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  Speaker 2: while hearing children pleading for their lives and entered the
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  Speaker 2: special ed classroom just as an unnamed teacher. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: two heroes here in this story. An unnamed teacher threw
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  Speaker 2: her phone at the shooter and was wrestling him for
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  Speaker 2: the gun. Giammanco swung the door open, fired, and.
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  Speaker 1: Dropped... and took out the threat. He killed the shooter.
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  Speaker 3: Shot him once, and then he was rolling over trying
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  Speaker 3: to guy shot, and he followed up, shot him two
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  Speaker 3: more times. And then importantly, Buck, this has also been
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  Speaker 3: an issue sometimes when good guys with guns show up.
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  Speaker 3: He had neutralized the threat, dropped his own gun, and
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  Speaker 3: when the police arrived, one of the dangers is they
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  Speaker 3: think you're the shooter, right? And the over-eager... You can
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  Speaker 3: see how that could occur where somebody comes running in
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  Speaker 3: knowing that kids are being shot, sees a grown man.
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  Speaker 3: You want to get the gun back down on the ground.
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  Speaker 3: You're unarmed. He identified himself, and he is the hero.
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  Speaker 3: We have audio now. Yeah, let's let Caleb Giamonco, the
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  Speaker 3: hero here. But I want to know, that teacher, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: there was survival instinct there, but there was love for
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  Speaker 3: her students and a protective instinct kick in. I believe
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  Speaker 3: it was a female teacher. who just ran at the
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  Speaker 3: shooter and was wrestling him for the gun, which gave
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  Speaker 3: him the key. So let's hear from Caleb. He had 42.
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  Speaker 4: More rounds left when he was taken out by this guy, Buck.
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  Speaker 2: So you can imagine, 42 rounds in an elementary school,
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  Speaker 2: three minutes before the police can even get there. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: here is Caleb Giamonco, hero, telling his story.
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  Speaker 1: Cut 26.
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  Speaker 5: The teacher that was, you know, wrestling with the gun,
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  Speaker 5: with the gunman, I want to, recognize her. She gave
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  Speaker 5: me the opportunity to make my shot without losing my life.
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  Speaker 5: Without her and that little spur of the moment delay,
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  Speaker 5: I very much feel like I would have been facing
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  Speaker 5: the shooter head on and we could have both died.
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  Speaker 5: That's a real true hero to not have a weapon
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  Speaker 5: and to put yourself in between your babies and a firearm.
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  Speaker 2: Clay, you can hear from him too in his voice.
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  Speaker 2: He's he's really shaken up by this whole thing, even
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  Speaker 2: though he is the hero, no question about it in
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  Speaker 2: the situation. The fact that he even had to take
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  Speaker 2: a life. This has cut 26 guys.
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  Speaker 1: Play this one.
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  Speaker 5: The gunman had thrown his rifle up and over the fence,
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  Speaker 5: and that's when panic fled into my brain, and I
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  Speaker 5: was just, that's when I opened my center console, and
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  Speaker 5: I just said, no, no, no, no, no. And I
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  Speaker 5: grabbed my gun, and I put the magazine in it,
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  Speaker 5: and then I proceeded into the parking lot. I told
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  Speaker 5: my Siri to call 911. And I hopped over the fence.
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  Speaker 5: I started hearing children pleading for their lives. And then
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  Speaker 5: I started hearing gunfire. And that's when I crawled through
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  Speaker 5: the bottom window that was shot out, continued on to
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  Speaker 5: the rug inside where there's a little breezeway with stairs.
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  Speaker 5: And then the special needs classroom was to my left.
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  Speaker 5: And at this point, I found my opportunity. And I
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  Speaker 5: seen a teacher on the left struggling with the gunman
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  Speaker 5: on the right with the rifle. And so at that point,
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  Speaker 5: I swung the door out and opened, and I stepped in,
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  Speaker 5: and I fired, and they dropped to the ground, and
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  Speaker 5: the teacher sprang out of the building.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing, Clay, that this is how it went down.
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  Speaker 2: And the fact, I mean, that this guy, to just
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  Speaker 2: put it in context for everybody, I think to really
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  Speaker 2: bring it home, there are about a dozen, I would assume,
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  Speaker 2: based on the way these things tend to go, maybe
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  Speaker 2: several dozen families.
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  Speaker 1: Families.
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  Speaker 2: Who have their little one at home tonight, safe and sound,
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  Speaker 2: because of this guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Buck, and a couple of other details here. He
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  Speaker 3: was planning on eating lunch at his work site. He's
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  Speaker 3: a carpenter in Bend, Oregon, and evidently had to go
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  Speaker 3: buy some more materials. So he was going to be
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  Speaker 3: back close to home, called his wife and said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I'm coming home, warm up the tacos from last night.
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  Speaker 3: I'm coming home to eat lunch. And on his way,
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  Speaker 3: he happened to be driving back by the the the
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  Speaker 3: school saw all of this. He shouldn't have been there
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  Speaker 3: based on his schedule that day. And I think it's
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  Speaker 3: important to contrast a couple of things here. The Uvalde
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  Speaker 3: police department and the way they responded to the shooting
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  Speaker 3: compared to this dad.
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  Speaker 4: Night and day. He heard the gunshots. He took his weapon.
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  Speaker 4: He ran in. No, no flak vest on.
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  Speaker 3: He says in that interview that he fully expected that
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  Speaker 3: he would probably die and he made the choice to
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  Speaker 3: go anyway. Again, this is a I think he's 36
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  Speaker 3: year old carpenter with a couple of daughters at that school.
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  Speaker 3: He went in expecting that he might not come back
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  Speaker 3: out of there. This is not his job. This is
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  Speaker 3: just the personification, I think, of a good guy.
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  Speaker 4: With a gun.
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  Speaker 3: Second thing I would point out here, and you don't
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  Speaker 3: hear this argument now, reminder that we are right now
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  Speaker 3: in the midst of the lowest murder rate in the
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  Speaker 3: history of the United States. We also simultaneously have more
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  Speaker 3: firearms in individual private ownership than has ever existed in
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  Speaker 3: the history of the United States. For a long time, Buck,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm sure you've seen it, they would share the
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  Speaker 3: data on murders and they would point out, hey, the
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  Speaker 3: number of guns that are available in the United States
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  Speaker 3: and the murder rate. I haven't seen at all a
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  Speaker 3: graph where these would diverge. Maybe we can do it
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  Speaker 3: on our social media where there's got to be, what,
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  Speaker 3: 200 million guns in private hands, something like that. And
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  Speaker 3: at the same time, a record high, at the same time,
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  Speaker 3: we now have the lowest rate of violent crime because
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  Speaker 3: Democrats have tried to say they always say gun violence.
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  Speaker 3: They don't point out the person pulling the trigger committing
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  Speaker 3: the crime. And you've pointed out on the show a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of times, Buck, that licensed gun owners actually have
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  Speaker 3: much lower rates of violent crime than non-gun owners who
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  Speaker 3: are licensed.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's this statistic that really brings it home is
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  Speaker 2: per capita concealed carry permit holders are more law abiding
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  Speaker 2: than law enforcement. And law enforcement is pretty darn law
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  Speaker 2: abiding in this country. So that tells you something. And Clay,
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  Speaker 2: one of the one of the I think it's important
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  Speaker 2: to look at what. The people that are in favor
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  Speaker 2: of gun free zones in schools, the people that don't
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  Speaker 2: want law abiding citizens to be able to carry the
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  Speaker 2: people who say, oh, we just need to lock the doors.
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  Speaker 2: You know, what do they offer that would have stopped
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  Speaker 2: this guy?
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  Speaker 1: Nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing that they talk, nothing that Chuck Schumer, nothing that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Barack Obama or Joe Biden or name your
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  Speaker 2: marquee Democrat, nothing that they talk about after a school
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  Speaker 2: shooting would have done anything to stop this massacre from happening. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I understand there were a few lives lost, the point
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  Speaker 2: which is a terrible tragedy, but there would have been,
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  Speaker 2: this would have been 30, 40, 50 casualties in that school.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's just, you just know based on the
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  Speaker 2: timeline that, There's nobody else there who can stop him.
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  Speaker 1: He's armed.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody else is armed. It's a gun free zone, the
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  Speaker 2: most moronic of all the gun policies, perhaps the notion
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  Speaker 2: of the gun free zone. So, Clay, I think that
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  Speaker 2: that this is one of the reasons why the story
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  Speaker 2: isn't getting more national attention, because this is clearly the
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  Speaker 2: I really think also that teacher deserves a ton of
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  Speaker 2: credit for stepping up and saving lives.
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  Speaker 1: There, too.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, it's one thing to go in there
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  Speaker 2: with a firearm. At least you've got a shot. I'd
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  Speaker 2: also point out anybody who knows firearms, you're in close quarters.
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  Speaker 2: Someone's got a 12 gauge. You've got a pistol. You'd
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  Speaker 2: rather have the 12 gauge. So I think most people
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  Speaker 2: would feel that way. And so he's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: outgun going in there. and he still went in, but
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  Speaker 2: that teacher going hand-to-hand with that shooter to stop him.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly saved lives.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just an amazing story of heroism from the
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Giamonco perspective. He felt bad about taking the life, too.
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  Speaker 2: It was very clear from taking the life of the shooter,
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  Speaker 2: and that's a very human emotion. It was absolutely the
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  Speaker 2: right thing to do. He could not have been more justified.
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  Speaker 2: He's truly a hero for doing so, but there's still
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  Speaker 2: that recognition that you've taken a life even to save lives.
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  Speaker 2: That can be a hard thing for someone to process.
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  Speaker 2: I know this from guys in the military. The first
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  Speaker 2: time they kill somebody, even if it's a completely valid
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  Speaker 2: military target, it can be a difficult thing. I've never
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  Speaker 2: experienced it, obviously, but I have friends, I know people
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  Speaker 2: quite well who have. Clay, I would also just say,
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned the number of guns in private hands. One
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  Speaker 2: of the great gun grabber And I say kind of
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  Speaker 2: great in quotes. One of the things you hear from
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  Speaker 2: gun grabbers all the time is that after a mass
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  Speaker 2: shooting in Tasmania, an island off of Australia, best known
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  Speaker 2: for the Tasmanian devil, an island off Australia, there was
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  Speaker 2: a horrible shooting there that happened. And then Australia did
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  Speaker 2: a mandatory buyback program, which is just confiscation with compensation.
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  Speaker 2: And for years and years and years, decades, you'd hear, see,
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  Speaker 2: violence is going down in Australia. There's fewer murders in
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  Speaker 2: Australia because, you know what? There are fewer murders there
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  Speaker 2: now than there were then. There are far more guns
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  Speaker 2: in private hands in Australia than there were before the buyback.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a lot more guns. It actually has nothing
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  Speaker 2: to do with the drop in violence there. And there's
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  Speaker 2: the same thing here, too. Places where they have concealed carry,
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  Speaker 2: violent crime goes down.
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  Speaker 3: But we wanted to shine a light on this guy
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  Speaker 3: because I do think it's a great story. There are
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  Speaker 3: many parents out there. Maybe at some point you find
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  Speaker 3: yourself in a situation where you need to be protecting
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  Speaker 3: people and Used to hear for a long time, where
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  Speaker 3: are all the good guys with guns?
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of good guys with guns suddenly.
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  Speaker 3: We mentioned it, the shooting at the mall in Indiana,
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  Speaker 3: the shooting in Idaho at a fast food restaurant, the
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  Speaker 3: shooting now at the school in Bend, Oregon. I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: there are many more, but those are three very recent
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  Speaker 3: vintage would-be mass shooters being either taken out or having
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  Speaker 3: their ability to continue that mass shooting there. Ended by
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  Speaker 3: people who are not professionals, just good guys with guns.
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  Speaker 2: I don't mean this as as mockery. I'm not making
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  Speaker 2: light of it at all. But I really it's true.
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  Speaker 2: You've never once heard of a school shooter or a
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  Speaker 2: mass shooter who said, you know, I was going to
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  Speaker 2: do the shooting in this place, but I heard it
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  Speaker 2: was a gun free zone.
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  Speaker 1: So I didn't.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, think about this. The policies in place to
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  Speaker 2: prevent these kinds of shootings. Never in history has anyone said,
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  Speaker 2: I was going to do the school shooting, but then
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  Speaker 2: I found out it was a gun-free zone. So what
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  Speaker 2: is the conceivable reason for.
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  Speaker 1: That policy to be in place then?
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  Speaker 2: To stop somebody like Caleb Giamonco maybe from being nearby
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  Speaker 2: and able to intervene. There's no other realistic outcome there.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just.
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  Speaker 2: People have been trained, unfortunately, in this country to think
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  Speaker 2: of guns as purely a political wedge issue and not
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  Speaker 2: get into the reality of the Second Amendment and what
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  Speaker 2: it means to carry and what law-abiding gun owners do
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  Speaker 2: for our society and how they make us all safer.
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  Speaker 2: If you go around New York City, people don't want
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  Speaker 2: to hear that argument. I knew cops in New York.
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  Speaker 1: Cops.
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  Speaker 2: Not a lot of them, but some of them who
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  Speaker 2: didn't like that argument either. And I was like, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because you get to carry a gun.
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  Speaker 1: You feel fine.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I was reading and we go to break here.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of New York City, that the rate of crime
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  Speaker 3: in areas that you would know are traditionally considered to
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  Speaker 3: be very safe in the midtown areas of New York
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  Speaker 3: have actually gone up quite a lot. And that many people,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you had the stabbing in Times Square. You
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  Speaker 3: had the shooting at the. I think Midtown subway stop recently,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people are starting to ask in neighborhoods
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  Speaker 3: where they had traditionally felt safe, what in the world.
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  Speaker 4: Is going on here?
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  Speaker 3: And I bet many of you in our WOR listenership
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  Speaker 3: have maybe felt that a bit in the Midtown area
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  Speaker 3: of Manhattan. Do you know, tripled according to some of
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  Speaker 3: the data, that is the rate of violent crime just
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  Speaker 3: in that particular area and during the day, which I
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  Speaker 3: think is when people really kind of take a step
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  Speaker 3: back and say, what in the world is going on here?
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  Speaker 2: All right, third hour, Clay and Buck, that's going right now.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being here, everybody. We've been
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  Speaker 2: doing a lot of talk today about the latest on
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  Speaker 2: the midterm elections and the key races, keeping very close
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  Speaker 2: tabs on this today. Obviously, Paxton Tallarico, Houston Sherrod Brown,
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  Speaker 2: Collins Jackson in Maine, Rogers El-Sayed in Michigan, Iowa. We
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  Speaker 2: got Hinson v.
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  Speaker 1: Turek. Hinson's going to win that, by the way. Kansas.
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  Speaker 1: I hope I didn't just jinx it.
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  Speaker 2: The Kansas Senate Marshall versus Hamilton. I think Kansas is
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  Speaker 2: also going to be fine. Ohio, we talked about that
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  Speaker 2: a bit. Ramaswamy versus Acton for the governor's race.
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  Speaker 1: And then Georgia.
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  Speaker 2: Governors it got a lot of big races big things
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  Speaker 2: going on clay that brings us to alaska where you
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  Speaker 2: and i are gonna have to go running with the
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  Speaker 2: grizzly bears at some point which i hear is even
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  Speaker 2: more exciting than running with the bulls and uh riskier
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  Speaker 2: way way more dangerous i was gonna say yeah yeah
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  Speaker 2: probably probably tougher i would i would definitely if you
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  Speaker 2: had if you had to give me a head start
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  Speaker 2: 30 yards, which by the way, I get smoked. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think I have any illusions here. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: get caught by the bull. I'm going to get caught
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  Speaker 2: 30 yard headstart on an angry bull than.
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  Speaker 1: You are a, uh, a grizzly bear.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Um, I think they actually could probably go faster than
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: the bull over that distance, 30 or 40 yards. They
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: are extremely fast over a very reasonable distance. Elite animal athletes. Yeah,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: elite animal athletes. It's like 800 pounds of muscle, teeth,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: and claws. So anyway, up in Alaska, there are also people,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: not just grizzly bears. And there's a state there, and
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: there's voting happening. And you got the Sullivan v. Peltola
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: situation playing out.
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: It's Clay.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: The pollsters are saying this one's 50 50, which means
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: this is it probably is leaning a little bit real
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Dan Sullivan, not fake Dan Sullivan, probably leaning a little
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: bit real Dan Sullivan. But it is going to be
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: a nail biter. And it's one that we have to
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: when we have to pay close attention to.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: We know we talked about the fact that polling 15
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: out of the last 16 election cycles has favored Democrats
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: and Republicans have outperformed Democrats. Maybe the most difficult state
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: to predict at all is Alaska, according to people who
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: are Democrats and Republicans. So many of the voters are
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: in remote locales that it is difficult to reach. You
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: don't know who's going to show up, candidly. And I
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: think even by difficult prediction standards, Alaska is at the
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: absolute apex of difficulty.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: But it's going to be tight is the bottom line.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Get out and vote, of course, Alaska. I think we're
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: on K, E, and I. I think up there we're
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: on some great stations. So get out and vote in Alaska.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: And then you can go fishing. OK, then you can
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: catch the end of the salmon run, which probably is
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: already over.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I don't even know.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: But it was happening pretty recently. This is also fodder
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: for our discussion here from CNN over the weekend. Todd Blanche,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: the attorney general who I have. seen him in this
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: kind of a debate situation before, really, you know, with
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Congress and stuff and Democrat lunatics. But he was on
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: CNN with Dana Bash and they were talking Alaska ballot situation,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: specifically The decoy Dan confused people operation the Democrats are running.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: And just to be clear, it is utterly shameless that
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: there is no person you will not get. Even the
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: most propagandistic Democrat mouthpiece is not going to pretend that
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: anyone thinks. Decoy Dan, fake Dan Sullivan, so to speak,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: is going to win this thing. He is in explicitly
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: and clearly as a spoiler candidate and a candidate of confusion.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Not just a spoiler in, oh, I'm another guy on
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the ballot, but I'm a guy on the ballot who's
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: meant to get votes, meant for the other guy on
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the ballot that you were trying to vote for. Todd
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Blanch and Dana Bash got into it over a whole
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: range of things here, but this is one of them.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Play 19.
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: I just fundamentally disagree with you. The conversation that you
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: and I have been having for the past 10 minutes
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: has nothing to do with the fact that Alaskans, as
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: not found by President Trump, Alaskans are going to go
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: to the ballots potentially confused, OK, which is not something
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: that's allowed to happen in this country. So instead of
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: focusing on how we can address that and how we
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: can remedy that. You're talking about January 6th, okay? And
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: that's so embarrassing to this network that that's what you're
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: talking about.
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: Oh, come on.
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: Oh, come on, me. Why in Alaska?
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Why in Alaska?
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: There's literally confusion.
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: You haven't once uttered the fact that there's no dispute
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: that this candidate's on the ballot to confuse voters.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: That is true, by the way. I mean, we can
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: all see the plain reality in front of our face. But, Clay,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I still don't see... I haven't yet seen and I
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: could be wrong. I'm certainly not an election law expert.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not even a lawyer. But I I haven't seen
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: how they can stop this guy. How do they stop
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: what they tried? Yeah, but this is what I mean.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: On what legal grounds could they prevent it at this point?
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think they can.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: This is why it's such a diabolical plan, because it
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: went through the Alaskan court system and was permitted to occur.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: And everything they've done in Alaska is designed to confuse people.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: So the decoy Dan Sullivan, and again, for everybody out there,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: the Dan Sullivan that is the incumbent is the one
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: that you want to vote for. The entire ranked choice
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: voting system is confusing. They have used Alaska as an
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: election laboratory that is designed consistently to benefit Democrats. And
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: In the name of good governance, some people were snookered
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: into supporting this process, which is very confusing, the ranked
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: choice voting. And this is, again, I think the best
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: word for it is diabolical, because it may well be
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: legal under existing election law, both state and federal, to
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: pull this off. And if it comes down, as it
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: may well, to a few thousand votes... Control of the
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Senate could hinge on whether enough people accidentally vote for
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: the wrong Dan Sullivan. And they tried, Buck, even more diabolically,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: they tried to change his initial so that he had
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: the exact same name. And they weren't able to do
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: it because he didn't have the exact perfect name. I mean,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: it sounds I know we've had this with the Eddie
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Murphy distinguished gentleman movie. This is entirely that being played
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: out to potentially impact who has control of the United
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: States Senate come January.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I just the truth is here, as gross as it is,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: the real basis for removing him and this to Clay's point,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: it already failed the effort to try to remove him.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: The basis for removing him would have been on a
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: this is a bad faith candidacy and you can't empower
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: people if you meet the legal requirements. This is why
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: this is so, to borrow your word, diabolical. If you
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: meet the legal requirements that you're being a jerk and
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: you don't actually have any interest in running, winning or serving,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: can't be a basis to remove you. So I don't
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: think the courts got as much as no one wants
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: to hear. I don't think the courts got this wrong.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I just think Democrats are scumbags. I think that's where
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: we are.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: And by the way, this is not just in Alaska.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: The Democrat brand is so toxic in much of red
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: state America that Democrats are contending by running independence that
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: they are going to have caucus with the Democrat Party.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: But so many normal voters out there. across red states
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: see the Democrat Party is so toxic that they will
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: not vote for a Democrat. So they're trying to hide
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: it by saying, I'm not a Democrat, I'm an independent.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: And then they'll immediately caucus with the Democrats, which makes
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: the functional difference non-existent.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're openly... They're running a game of three card money.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're they're trying to fool voters here.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: They're trying to obscure and then fool. And of course,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: you know, three card money is a scam, right? They're
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: cheating you. That's the whole that's the whole nature of that.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I feel like they don't do they do that anymore.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: This used to be a thing in New York.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: They have the cards out on the on the cardboard
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: and you pick the card.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: You always got the wrong card.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: And I don't think they do anymore. I think they
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: got rid of that.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: It's like something you'd see from an 80s era movie
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: showing a rough part of New York City or Times
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Square area.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: The squeegee guys, too. You know this better than me.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: They're gone.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I remember that as a kid. I remember the squeegee
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: stuff happening all the time to my parents' car. So, yeah,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: that was a real thing. But back to this one, Clay.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: So the Trump administration, just to bring it up to
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the most legal and current situation for the Alaska Senate election,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: the Trump administration is bringing a suit against Alaska to
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: block certification of results if Senator Sullivan loses, meaning the
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: current Senator Sullivan, loses by a margin smaller than the
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: other Dan Sullivan's votes pending an investigation into possible voter confusion.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to win this. I don't
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: think they're going to win this lawsuit either if it
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: does come to that.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I hate this.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Look, I think it's as dirty as everybody else. But
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: it's like they're allowed to do it. You know, it's
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: a little bit like I don't know what's like the
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: dirtiest legal thing you can do in sports right now.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I was going to say icing the kicker, but everybody
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: ices the kicker with a timeout. That's not really, you know,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: that's kind of standard now.
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Do you think I think that's a little lame, to
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: be honest with you, but people do it. What is
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: the dirty gamesmanship? That's well within the rule. I mean,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: what a lot of people would say is you used
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: to be like you paid all the players in college
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: under the table. Now it's all above the table, right?
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: So that form of quote-unquote cheating has vanished in college athletics.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would probably say that
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: it's giving money outside of the salary cap in pro
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: sports where you're wink, wink, nudge, nudge. I think a
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: lot of the salary cap stuff is being cheated.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: That's an example.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: But how do you stop that?
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: And you're sliding advantages to high-level players outside of the
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: salary cap.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I will take a little bow here as the non-professional
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: sports slash SEC sports analyst. I will tell you, I'll
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: draw upon my tennis experience. You know what a gross
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: but legal thing is in tennis? Faking injury timeout. And
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: players have complained about it. Because on the one hand,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: there's like this video of, I think it was Michael
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Chang a long time ago. He was a great American,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: you know, Taiwanese American, American tennis player. like rolling around
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: on the floor in agony because he was cramping up everywhere.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: That was a big thing in football, too. Your team's
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: having things go against you. You drop and fake a
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: cramp or you fake an injury.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: But he was really, I mean, he really was.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: And it looks so bad because no one went out
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: to help him because it was just the middle of
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: the match. And so he just was rolling around. So
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: they changed it. So now, Clay, they can just sort
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: of say an injury. And tennis is very momentum-based and
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: very psychological. And sometimes a player is like, oh.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Like my shoulder hurts so much now. And then all
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: of a sudden they're gone.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: You also may get illegal coaching via hand signals during
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: the breaks too, right? And you're not supposed to coach
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: from the stands, right?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I think you can.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I think they changed that because it was happening so much. Yeah,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: because guys were given secret signals, you know, like, serve
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: down the line.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: But so it's in that realm of like, it's gross,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: but I don't see how you can legally delegitimize this.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Within the rules, because I mean, that's and I know
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: people don't want to hear that, but I think it's
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: just true. So the only way you can delegitimize it
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: is clay.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Get out and vote right now.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: This matters even more in Alaska, which is a state
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: where targeting voters is challenging.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Let me say this, too.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Why I think early voting for Republicans matters so much.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Democrats have the advantage of voting. so many of their
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: voters are condensed in a close location. I don't think
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: people talk enough about this. It's a way easier to
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: get out the vote in a city because you can
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: go into a building where a thousand people live and
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: rally them all at that physical location. So many Republicans
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: are rural that a ride to the polls in a
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Republican location is far more difficult to organize effectively for
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: cost than it is for Democrats. So if you can
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: get your ballot locked and loaded in advance like Buck
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: and I did, it makes a tremendous difference. And Buck,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: you were saying that so far it seems about three
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: to one. The shaming is positively received as opposed to negatively.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: I am shaming everyone to go vote early. Get your
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: ballots banked in states where you can. Some votes, like
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: New Hampshire, everybody votes on Election Day, and they basically
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: don't allow any early ballots. So if your state doesn't
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: allow it, I'll give you a pass. Otherwise, Buck and
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• 30:15
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• 30:16
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• 30:21
  Speaker 2: what's going on right now, including producer Ali, by the way, Bach,
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  Speaker 2: who just said off air, I'm going to go vote
• 30:27
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• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Welcome back in, Clay and Buck.
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: Dr.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Oz waiting.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: But Jim in North Carolina, we told you to wait.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: You want to fire back and say we motivated you
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: to get out.
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: Absolutely.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 32:24
  Speaker 10: I appreciate you guys telling me to get out there.
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: I had a.
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: Break in between meetings.
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  Speaker 5: It was right up the road.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I went up there and made my vote.
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: And so I don't like long crowds.
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: And so this is working out perfect for me. So
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: I appreciate you guys.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Amen.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: There you go, Jim, responding to the early vote challenge.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: A guy who knows about challenges when it comes to
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: getting voters out.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Dr.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Oz, we got a lot to get in with him.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: But you've been through some of these battleground state election fights.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: From your experience, why, if people can, does early voting
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: help candidates like you to target others as it gets
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: closer to election day? What is a banked ballot worth
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: from your perspective?
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: No matter how efficient you think you are, how passionate
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: you are, when election day comes, one in 20 people
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: just can't get there. You know, if something comes up,
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: kid gets sick, you got to run an errand, you
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: don't get there in time, traffic, weather, who cares? But
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: if one in 20 people don't vote, that's the 5%
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: that swings a lot of these close elections. North Carolina,
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: which that gentleman just mentioned as an example, when I
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: was in Michigan, with the president yesterday. I was in
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: Florida on Fridays. We traveled the country. And I got
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: to say, I feel like Johnny Cash because I've been everywhere, man.
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: I mean, all over the country. And there's so many
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: places that folks are confused about healthcare issues that I've
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: been asked by the White House to go visit. But
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: if you go to these places, you hear the same
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: story over and over again. I think I'm going to
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: vote with you guys. I just got to get around
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: to going in there whenever the voting starts in my state.
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: And the reality is we lose 5% because Republicans don't vote. Now, interestingly,
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: in Florida, I was talking to Rick Scott at the
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: rally we had there, and he follows the daily numbers.
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: He always has. Remember, he wins all of his elections down.
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: He was governor. He's been senator for a couple of terms.
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: He wins them by like 1% because he gets that 5%
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: of people who are Republicans who don't show up to
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: show up. And that puts him over the top. Other
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: states have different numbers. I think they're a little behind
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: in some of the other ones just because historically Republicans
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: didn't trust the system. So let me reemphasize that the
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: president's been saying this as well. Pretend he's on the ballot.
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: If you really care strongly about the things that this
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: administration has been accomplishing, if you think that the 2026,
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: no matter what issues we may have, we're not perfect,
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: is still better than 2024, then you must show up.
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: And the best way to do that is to vote early.
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: I vote absentee because I can't get back home to Pennsylvania.
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: And so my ballot's already in.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you being with us here, Dr.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: Oz.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: And you oversee the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: which has, I believe, a $ 1. 7 trillion budget that it administers.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: So it is a vast federal agency with oversight of Medicare, Medicaid,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Children's Health Insurance Program, Health Insurance Marketplace, or healthcare.gov. You've
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: got a lot of things going on here. But just
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: to break it down... easily for all of us top
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: of your agenda on the spending side which includes of
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: course fraud and top of your agenda on the health
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: care delivery side making health care work better for americans
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: what are what are some of the things that you're
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: tackling spending slash fraud making health care better how are
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: you doing it.
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: Well very well phrased question let me answer by saying
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: those issues rhyme with each other and here's why the
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: most expensive care we give is bad care Because you
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: pay someone who's not capable to do a job, then
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: you pay someone who is capable more to fix the problem,
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: then you have to put a downstream complication. So both
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: of these things have to be addressed. Let me break
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: it down into two major categories. The role of fraud,
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: which if we deal with that, it makes healthcare a
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: hell of a lot more affordable. And then the opportunity
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: we have with SIs. super intelligence, because I think if
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: people get past the appropriate, understandable fear around this concept,
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: there are some opportunities that could benefit a lot of listeners.
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: So first off, on the fraud side, we waste about
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: $ 100 billion a year. Our agency alone, and again, my job,
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: just to break it down what you're saying earlier, is
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: I run the government-funded insurance. So if you're getting healthcare
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: insurance from the United States government, which roughly 165 million
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: people do, I'm the guy to blame when things don't
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: work the way they're supposed to, And ideally, we do
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: a good enough job that you're thanking me, not maligning me.
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: So that's a task that allows us to really scale
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: whatever we're trying to do. Fraud is a good example
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: of what happens if you don't do your job. Because
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: in the last five years, because of COVID, the prior
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: administration took down the guardrails, then they never came back
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: and put anything in place. So it taught criminals, bad guys,
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: they can waltz into healthcare, you know, back their pickup
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: truck to the federal coffer, to the treasury, dump all
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: the money in there and drive away. And if they
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: got caught, you know, they do 18 months in jail.
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: You know, literally $ 5 million of stealing and you just
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: got a year and a half, maybe a penalty. We're
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: changing that. But what the president did, it's just like immigration.
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: We did not pass a new law to stop immigration
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: problems in America. We actually just enforced the law. We
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: did our job. And the president did that by not
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: changing the law, by having the right person in managing it.
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: We're trying to do the same on the health care side.
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: The vice president was assigned to run the anti-fraud task force.
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: That means it's an all-government approach. I can call over to,
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: to treasure, to, uh, the State Department or DOJ or
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: FBI get help from there. But I can also call Treasury,
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: which is important because if you're stealing from the poor,
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure you're not paying your taxes. So I
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: will call over to the IRS and say, here's the
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: numbers of people that we are worried about. Here's how
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: much that we think they took from Medicaid. Did they
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: declare it in their taxes? It's often easier to put
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: them in jail for tax evasion. So we've got a
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: really robust system. It's working well. We've stopped $ 42 billion
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: from leaving the building that I'm in right now. And
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: that's the best way to drive the fraudsters away. You
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: make it hard to steal money, they leave. And so
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: that's what we're doing. But I do want to point
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: out something. The people who came in here were not
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: just grifters. These are well-trained, multinational criminal organizations. We're stealing
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: in hospice in California where one-third of all the hospice
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: money goes.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Impossible.
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: Not one-third of people are dying in LA. Those are
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: run by the Russian mafia. All the durable medical equipment,
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: the wheelchairs, all that, that's run by the Cubans. And
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: you've got problems in New York where I was last week.
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: where we have the Chinese mafia, again, multinational organizations, that
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: here's what they do. They steal the money because we're
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: paying for things you probably shouldn't pay for, like people
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: carrying groceries upstairs for their parents or people joining a
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: clubhouse as a senior just to hang out and play mahjong.
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: Why we're paying for these things in all the ways
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: we do is a separate issue, but the fact that
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: the mafia got a hold of it and they're funding
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: their criminal organization, including human trafficking, right with our federal
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: tax dollars. So that's where, when you take a step back,
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: it's not just about stopping them from stealing the money.
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: It's stopping them from stealing our lives and stealing the
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: nation's trust, because that leads to a deep-seated corruption we
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: never recover from.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: We're talking to Dr.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: Oz.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Buck and I are both incredibly optimistic about what AI
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: is going to be capable of when it comes to
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: health benefits and lowering costs. I know I'd likely believe
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: that you are optimistic about that, too. The GLP drugs,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: for instance, the weight loss drugs, have drastically cut people's weights.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: And one of the things that you could best do,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: no matter what your background is, is not be overweight, right?
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: A huge cost of all of the medical treatments that
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: we have are related to obesity. Tell us about your
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: view going forward. Are you optimistic about what the AI
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: world is going to create in terms of health opportunities?
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: I'm very optimistic, but I may be more surprised that
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: you and Buck agree. What frequency do you guys agree?
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: 50-50?
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: What's the number there?
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: No, we agree like most of the time, except when
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: it comes to Clay thinking Kamala Harris is going to
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: be the nominee and win the next election.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: There, he's just crazy. I'm right, Buck's wrong.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Basically, whenever the show's correct, it's because I have been
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: proven correct and Buck has had to buy me a
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: steak because he's lost. But are you as optimistic as us?
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Because we do agree on this, that AI is going
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: to provide some transformative benefits for a lot of people's health.
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: You're 100% right. And the biggest thing we have to
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: fear is fear itself, as has been said in prior
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: inaugural addresses from 100 years ago. Because most Americans, once
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: they start using superintelligence, about their own health issues. They
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: like it. There's a 99-point spread of favorability, of optimism
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: between people who have ever used SI and people who
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: have not used it with their health. So once you
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: try it, and all of a sudden you're getting customized
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: advice directly for you about how to deal with your
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: diabetes or your weight loss, all of a sudden things
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: look pretty rosy for you. And you used the example
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: of GLP-1 drugs. So these are, the president calls them,
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: as you know, the fat shot. So the fat shot,
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: we are now paying for in Medicaid. I'm sorry, in Medicare,
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: and this is for older people. And we actually have
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: a program for seniors, $ 50 a month. We've already had
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: a million people sign up. This thing is unbelievably powerful.
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: But if you're using SI and you're, let's say, 50
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: pounds overweight, and you've got diabetes and high blood pressure,
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: the two biggest killers of all. Those, by the way,
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: that drives that syndrome of being overweight with those conditions.
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: That's probably 60% of all health expenses in the whole country.
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: So it's massively important that we deal with this, but
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: we'll give it to you for 50 bucks because we
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: are so confident that within two years, you will actually
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: reduce your weight and all the complications associated with being overweight,
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: like hypertension and diabetes, that you're going to save us money.
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: So we're actually saving taxpayer dollars by appropriately using these meds.
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: But to get you there, Wouldn't it be nice to
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: have something in your pocket that you trust, that is
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: designed for you because you own your medical records, you
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: pay for them. Looking over your records and say, you
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: know what, Buck, I think you might be better off
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: trying this approach rather than an alternative option. Why don't
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: you go try to see this doctor? And what other
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: questions do you have? You might want to ask me
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: about X, Y, Z. Now you're much more engaged in
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: the process, especially people who normally don't pursue healthy behaviors.
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: They're the ones who would really benefit because you'd be
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: in their ear whispering to them about wisdom that might
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: benefit them. And that's why we think SI has a
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: huge future. We're working with the frontier models to try
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: to make it safe. We recognize the risks associated. We're
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: trying to deal with the system giving you bad answers.
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: And we're also trying to figure out, and we've got
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: a lot of pretty good ideas on how to do this.
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: How do you regulate it in a way that doesn't
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: suffocate it, allows it to prosper, but protects the American people?
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: And as we get that work through and the president
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: is optimistic about this as well, When we're going to
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: do this over the next few months, we're going to
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: see a dramatic shift in how much information you as
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: an American can get about your own well-being that's already
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: out there, but no one's telling you about it.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: This may be more, Dr. Oz, in the direct purview
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: of the U.S. Food and Drug Administrator, Kyle Diamantis, but
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, in terms of getting treatments, approvals, things
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: sped up, as I understand it, one of the big
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: challenges is going through all these phase, phase one, phase two,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: phase three clinical trials and looking at all this data
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: is just the sheer volume of it all. Shouldn't technology
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: make that go faster and much more efficient and much
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: more efficient manner? Because you're talking about GLPs. We've got
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: those drugs. You're getting lots of people. That's amazing. Going
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: to bring down health, health costs, make people's lives better too,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: in the process and a whole range of ways, make
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: them healthier and, and, you know, enjoy themselves more. But
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: beyond that, new stuff, you know, the next round of
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: really important life-changing, life-saving drugs, the faster, the better. How
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: do we get this stuff done more quickly?
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: So we have a big announcement tomorrow at the Cleveland
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: Clinic that Kyle and I are going to make together.
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: And he's going to be speaking to some of the
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: issues you just asked about. I don't want to steal
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: his thunder. But you're asking a question that should have
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: been asked five years ago. Why is it we have
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: not used technology to increase the abilities of the throughput
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: of ideas through the system? And then once they're approved,
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: by the way, the person in my chair has to
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: pay for it. So these technologies can actually get out there,
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: these life-saving solutions. So part of the reason the most
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: favored nation drug pricing deals were so critical is we
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: did not want a price fix. We understand how many
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: lives are saved when industry creates novel solutions. So how
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: do you let them do that while at the same
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: time not letting them overcharge us, certainly charge us more
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: than Europeans and others are paying for these same medications?
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: And the balancing act we did by getting All 26
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: of the top companies to sign on to these most
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: favored drug pricing led to the biggest drop in drug
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: prices since Bobby's uncle, JFK, was president. That's how fast
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: we dropped drug prices this year. But we didn't hurt innovation.
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: What Kyle's trying to do with the FDA, what I'm
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: trying to do here at CMS is say, guys, normally
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: one in 20 of your drugs works and it takes
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: you forever to figure it out. Let's dramatically shorten by
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: over half how long it takes you to get approved
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: and give you feedback along the way quickly so we
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: don't have any problems arise secretly and trip you up
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: because we're on the same team. We actually are rooting
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: for you. But if we can take the number from
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: one in 20 to one in 10 drugs getting approved
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: and not compromise safety, That's half the cost. And we
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: want that money back. You're going to give you the
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: stuff faster and get more of your products through with
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: less failures, but you're going to charge less because of that.
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: And that's a deal that everyone seems to like. We
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: just got to operationalize it. And one of the things
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: about SI is you have to build a framework so
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: it can work for everybody. So everyone knows the rules.
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: Everyone knows how to measure. I'll give you a concrete example.
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: Do you treat SI like it's a machine that needs
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: to be approved the way devices are approved? Or do
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: you treat it like it's a clinician where you actually
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: have a fund of knowledge, your credential to practice medicine?
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: That's a good example where SI sort of does both.
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: It can function like a machine and do blood tests
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: and audit bills and do things that traditionally FDA would
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: approve like a machine, but it can also start to
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: practice as a doctor's helper. Most doctors in America now
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: are using SI to help them in the management of
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: their cases. So the regulations have to shift. We've got
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: to keep up. If we don't do it, China will
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: eat our lunch. And that is forgotten by a lot
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: of people. I know you've talked about it on the show,
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: both of you, but we are in a race. If
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: we don't get this right, we just won't run this technology.
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: Somebody else is. So not deciding is, in fact, deciding. Dr.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Mehmet Oz, great work, sir.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you, and we'll talk to you again soon.
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: God bless you both.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Take care.
• 46:40
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• 46:52
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• 48:02
  Speaker 1: To see you.
• 48:05
  Speaker 10: Hey guys, it's great to be here.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you. We think so too.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: So, You were with the vice president in Alaska recently.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: We were just talking about that Alaska race. I was
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: wondering if you could give us a little more insight onto,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: first of all, the political atmospherics you saw when you
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: were there with the vice president and also any insight
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: into just what you think is going on behind the
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: scenes here, how you think this is going to shake
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: out Dan Sullivan versus fake Dan Sullivan versus the other person.
• 48:36
  Speaker 9: It's just a different animal from, you know, a lot
• 48:39
  Speaker 9: of the state's When we went up there, I was
• 48:42
  Speaker 9: talking to a lot of people trying to get a
• 48:44
  Speaker 9: sense for what was going on because Vance went up
• 48:46
  Speaker 9: there before Donald Trump did. So while he's up there,
• 48:49
  Speaker 9: he's courting this vote. He's trying to get people to
• 48:52
  Speaker 9: come out.
• 48:52
  Speaker 10: And support Republicans.
• 48:55
  Speaker 9: And just looking around the crowd, guys, it was so
• 48:57
  Speaker 9: interesting to see the people.
• 48:58
  Speaker 10: Who are there. They are fishermen. They're builders. They're miners.
• 49:02
  Speaker 9: They're just people who are working what a lot of
• 49:05
  Speaker 9: us would say are the real jobs out there that
• 49:08
  Speaker 9: are so important for So just getting out and talking
• 49:12
  Speaker 9: to them, you realize their priorities are absolutely the economy, affordability,
• 49:18
  Speaker 9: but also they're really fixated on the military. and they really,
• 49:21
  Speaker 9: really don't want men and women's sports or women's spaces.
• 49:24
  Speaker 9: And for Alaskans, that often comes down to like women's shelters,
• 49:27
  Speaker 9: for example, because they have a lot of people fleeing
• 49:31
  Speaker 9: domestic abuse who are seeking refuge in these women's shelters.
• 49:34
  Speaker 9: If there's a trans dude that's seeking refuge in a
• 49:38
  Speaker 9: that is fleeing a domestic abuser is going to end
• 49:40
  Speaker 9: up in a situation potentially worse than she might have
• 49:44
  Speaker 9: found at home. So a lot of these issues resonated
• 49:46
  Speaker 9: really strongly with these people. And what I heard from
• 49:49
  Speaker 9: them talking to them when Vance came was that they
• 49:51
  Speaker 9: were just so invigorated by his visit and then so
• 49:55
  Speaker 9: invigorated by the president's visit the following week. And they're
• 49:58
  Speaker 9: just so on fire when they have these candidates that
• 50:02
  Speaker 9: come up to them and speak to them And it
• 50:04
  Speaker 9: was interesting to hear Dan Sullivan speak because he seems
• 50:07
  Speaker 9: like a genuinely good person.
• 50:08
  Speaker 10: He seems like a genuinely good human being.
• 50:12
  Speaker 9: And I think when you have someone that is a
• 50:14
  Speaker 9: really decent person, they're not always the most aggressive or.
• 50:21
  Speaker 10: Scary rhetorically politician.
• 50:24
  Speaker 9: And so when Vance got up there and started slamming
• 50:27
  Speaker 9: Mary Peltola, who's Dan Sullivan's opponent, A lot of people
• 50:30
  Speaker 9: were turning to each other and be like, yes, this
• 50:32
  Speaker 9: is really good. And I was with some local reporters
• 50:35
  Speaker 9: who looked at me and were like, yes, this is
• 50:36
  Speaker 9: what we needed because they didn't feel like Dan Sullivan
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: really had that oomph when it came to attacking her.
• 50:42
  Speaker 10: And Vance did. And same with Donald Trump.
• 50:44
  Speaker 9: So I think it gave some really needed energy up
• 50:47
  Speaker 9: there and really drove home the point that, you know,
• 50:50
  Speaker 9: the president and both Vance made, which was Dan Sullivan
• 50:53
  Speaker 9: has been consistently here for you. Dan Sullivan is going
• 50:55
  Speaker 9: to continue fighting for you. And as Vance said, don't
• 50:58
  Speaker 9: look at what Mary Peltola says here at the end
• 51:01
  Speaker 9: of her campaign.
• 51:02
  Speaker 10: Look at what she's done.
• 51:03
  Speaker 9: And for example, she's misrepresented her record on a number
• 51:07
  Speaker 9: of occasions, including when it comes to men and women's sports.
• 51:10
  Speaker 9: I broke a story a couple of years ago at
• 51:12
  Speaker 9: the 2024 election that she flip-flopped on men and women's sports.
• 51:16
  Speaker 10: She had literally voted as a.
• 51:17
  Speaker 9: Congresswoman to protect men and women's sports, to support men
• 51:21
  Speaker 9: and women's spaces. And then she came out right before
• 51:23
  Speaker 9: the election and said, I actually don't support that anymore.
• 51:25
  Speaker 9: And she's continuing that to this day. But as Vance said,
• 51:28
  Speaker 9: don't look at what she's saying. Look at how she voted.
• 51:30
  Speaker 9: Look at what she does. And so that was really
• 51:32
  Speaker 9: the emphatic message that I was hearing from Vance up there.
• 51:35
  Speaker 9: And you also heard that from the president as well.
• 51:37
  Speaker 9: And I think you're going to continue hearing it until
• 51:39
  Speaker 9: Election Day because there's a lot of undecided voters up there.
• 51:43
  Speaker 10: I think there's a lot of voters.
• 51:45
  Speaker 9: Up there who often are afraid to vote because Let's
• 51:48
  Speaker 9: say you're a fisherman and you start in one part
• 51:50
  Speaker 9: of Alaska and you end the year in another part.
• 51:52
  Speaker 9: You don't really trust the absentee voting system. You are
• 51:57
  Speaker 9: rightfully distrustful about how a lot of that thing works.
• 52:00
  Speaker 9: So a lot of these guys have really what they
• 52:03
  Speaker 9: need to do is to reach these voters and convince
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: them to vote for them. And that's what Donald Trump
• 52:08
  Speaker 9: and Vance and Sullivan were doing. So I guess we'll
• 52:10
  Speaker 9: see very soon whether that paid out.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: What do you think?
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: I know President Trump is traveling all over the place.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: You just mentioned, Mary, that you were with J.D.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Vance.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Deep down, President Trump won the greatest comeback in the
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: history of maybe American, certainly American politics, maybe global politics
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: ever in 2024. Where do you think they're going to
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: spend the midterm election night, Trump and J.D.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Vance?
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: I'm curious if you guys have been given any heads up.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: And deep down, how much do you think the president
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: really cares when he's not on the ballot himself?
• 52:48
  Speaker 10: Well, look, Trump has made himself on the ballot. And,
• 52:51
  Speaker 10: you know, he's gotten a.
• 52:52
  Speaker 9: Lot of criticisms from legacy media over the past couple months.
• 52:55
  Speaker 10: I spend all my time with them at the White House.
• 52:57
  Speaker 9: They love nothing better than to say, you know, the
• 52:59
  Speaker 9: president is scared of the midterms, yada, yada, yada.
• 53:02
  Speaker 10: He's distancing. Well, actually, Trump has spent the last several weeks.
• 53:06
  Speaker 9: Telling people all over the country that pretend I'm on
• 53:09
  Speaker 9: the ballot, pretend I'm on the ballot over and over
• 53:11
  Speaker 9: and over again, telling them, promise me that you'll vote.
• 53:13
  Speaker 9: This is personal to me. So he's making these midterms
• 53:17
  Speaker 9: more about himself than he needs to. And I'd argue,
• 53:19
  Speaker 9: you know, if he wanted to, and he really felt
• 53:22
  Speaker 9: like they weren't going to go.
• 53:23
  Speaker 10: Well, he could sit back and say, yeah.
• 53:25
  Speaker 9: When a president is in the White House, it's less
• 53:27
  Speaker 9: likely that his party will do well.
• 53:29
  Speaker 10: But that's not what he's saying. He's out there campaigning.
• 53:31
  Speaker 9: So I think that's a really important point to make
• 53:33
  Speaker 9: that He is not waving the white flag whatsoever. He's
• 53:36
  Speaker 9: literally out there in all of these states really working
• 53:39
  Speaker 9: hard for Republicans. And then as to where he'll spend
• 53:42
  Speaker 9: election night, I've been asking a lot because I'd ideally
• 53:45
  Speaker 9: like to be wherever the president is on election night
• 53:47
  Speaker 9: so we can cover him.
• 53:49
  Speaker 10: The White House has not really released where he'll be yet.
• 53:52
  Speaker 10: There's rumors that he could be in D.C. There's rumors
• 53:54
  Speaker 10: that he'll be in Palm Beach. We have nothing confirmed yet.
• 53:56
  Speaker 10: So we're still waiting on that. And if I get
• 53:59
  Speaker 10: that confirmed soon, I'll have to let you guys know.
• 54:02
  Speaker 10: But that's an interesting part of this as well.
• 54:04
  Speaker 9: When he was there, obviously, in Palm Beach during the
• 54:08
  Speaker 9: 2024 election, I believe during the last midterm campaign cycle,
• 54:12
  Speaker 9: he was in Mar-a-Lago as well.
• 54:15
  Speaker 10: It is his refuge, his winter White House. So we'll
• 54:19
  Speaker 10: have to wait and see.
• 54:20
  Speaker 9: But I think any way you shake it, the president
• 54:24
  Speaker 9: is very involved in these midterms.
• 54:26
  Speaker 10: I was with him last week in Iowa.
• 54:28
  Speaker 9: He was up until 1.30 in the morning, I think
• 54:32
  Speaker 9: every single night last week. And as someone who traveled
• 54:35
  Speaker 9: with him only one day last week, I was recovering
• 54:38
  Speaker 9: the next day and pretty grumpy. So I don't blame
• 54:41
  Speaker 9: him for snapping at some reporters last week because I'm
• 54:44
  Speaker 9: not sure how much sleep he was getting.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: I was going to ask you this because I think
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: it was last week you had a clip that went
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: viral of you asking him a question, I think, as
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: he was preparing to get on Marine One to get
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: on the helicopter. And you asked him a question, and
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: then he asked what outlet you were with. You said
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: The Daily Wire, and then he said, oh, I love them.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: But I'm curious, when he asked what outlet you were with,
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: were you like, uh-oh, he's really going.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: To rip me now? Did you think he liked the question?
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: I'm just kind of curious from a reporter perspective what
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: your thoughts were as that interaction was playing out.
• 55:20
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, my life flashed before my eyes. No,
• 55:22
  Speaker 10: I'm kidding. I knew I wasn't fake news, but I
• 55:25
  Speaker 10: had asked him about.
• 55:26
  Speaker 9: Emmanuel Macron, who during all the rioting in Paris last
• 55:30
  Speaker 9: week had suggested that Trump was to blame for the
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: rioting by blaming the Iran war and the rising gas prices.
• 55:37
  Speaker 10: And so I asked the president about this.
• 55:38
  Speaker 9: And I think his perspective was if that question was
• 55:41
  Speaker 9: coming from CNN, he was already going to be annoyed
• 55:44
  Speaker 9: because he doesn't like CNN and they are consistently unfair
• 55:47
  Speaker 9: to him. But from my POV, I thought it was
• 55:49
  Speaker 9: an interesting question. It wasn't a gotcha question. I genuinely
• 55:52
  Speaker 9: want to know, how does he feel about Macron framing
• 55:55
  Speaker 9: the writing in this way?
• 55:57
  Speaker 10: And so he said, that's fake news. Who are you with?
• 55:59
  Speaker 10: And I said, no, sir. I'm with Mary Margaret with
• 56:01
  Speaker 10: The Daily Wire. And then he said, okay, The Daily
• 56:04
  Speaker 10: Wire is good, which my team loved. The Daily Wire
• 56:06
  Speaker 10: loved that.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: It's a good endorsement.
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: That was really funny.
• 56:10
  Speaker 10: Yeah, we got the good endorsement. But then he did
• 56:12
  Speaker 10: give me a good response on France and Macron. So,
• 56:15
  Speaker 10: worked out.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: So, You are a White House correspondent, so you are
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: in the environs and speaking to and hearing the whispers.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you're a Game of Thrones fan,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: but the little birds, as the spymaster would say, little
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: birds out there talking to him. I've heard some little
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: birds chirping perhaps here and there. about a, let's just say,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: shortlist of possible White House press secretaries to step up
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: for that role.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Are you hearing the same? If so, who's on the shortlist?
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: What can you tell us?
• 56:51
  Speaker 9: Well, it's an interesting conversation because last time around, everyone
• 56:55
  Speaker 9: had these speculations and guesses about who it would be.
• 56:59
  Speaker 10: And most of that was truly just speculation.
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: There were some top contenders that were under consideration. I
• 57:06
  Speaker 9: know Scott Jennings' name was thrown around quite a bit
• 57:09
  Speaker 9: last time. And then the president settled on Katie Zachariah, ultimately.
• 57:14
  Speaker 9: There was a lot of talk about him potentially considering
• 57:18
  Speaker 9: people like Benny Ray Harmony, who now works on the
• 57:22
  Speaker 9: White House staff, on the White House comms team. So
• 57:25
  Speaker 9: this time around, it's a little too early to tell.
• 57:29
  Speaker 9: There's still some people who absolutely want to throw their
• 57:31
  Speaker 9: hats into the ring. One person that I thought would
• 57:34
  Speaker 9: be under consideration that I had heard some talk of,
• 57:37
  Speaker 9: she's actually very, very pregnant right now. So I don't
• 57:40
  Speaker 9: think that she will ultimately be the one that the
• 57:42
  Speaker 9: president chooses. But Tricia McLaughlin, who was formerly at DHS,
• 57:46
  Speaker 9: very strong on many levels as a candidate, but she's
• 57:49
  Speaker 9: about to have a baby. So I'm not sure that
• 57:51
  Speaker 9: that would work at this point in time. Scott Jennings
• 57:54
  Speaker 9: is still under possible consideration as far as I'm aware.
• 57:59
  Speaker 9: And then you have people like Anna Kelly, who's one
• 58:02
  Speaker 9: of the top top comms staff at the White House.
• 58:06
  Speaker 9: She has really become one of the more senior staffers
• 58:10
  Speaker 9: on the White House comms team.
• 58:12
  Speaker 10: And then there's a lot of rumors about Stephen Chung.
• 58:14
  Speaker 9: Now, I should caution everyone with the guessing and the
• 58:18
  Speaker 9: betting because what I have noticed is a lot of
• 58:21
  Speaker 9: the names that everyone starts talking about, they're really not
• 58:24
  Speaker 9: coming from the White House. They're kind of coming from
• 58:26
  Speaker 9: speculation on call sheets. And so I don't know that
• 58:29
  Speaker 9: anyone is actually suggesting them at the White House, but
• 58:31
  Speaker 9: people are being confused a little bit by who they're
• 58:34
  Speaker 9: seeing rise or fall in the ranks on Kalshi.
• 58:36
  Speaker 10: So I would caution everyone that before.
• 58:39
  Speaker 9: You hear anything, before you, you know, make any bets
• 58:42
  Speaker 9: in that manner, wait to hear more from the White House,
• 58:44
  Speaker 9: because I've seen some names rise and fall that I'm
• 58:46
  Speaker 9: pretty sure have nothing to do with the actual White
• 58:49
  Speaker 9: House press secretary selection and more to do with guessing.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: OK, we'll see.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: Last question for you.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: We haven't covered this very much, but I know it's
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: turned into a bit of a story, particularly on the
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: East Coast.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: The Iwo Jima Memorial.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: Had a I believe it was an illegal immigrant who
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: decapitated one of the statues there. And I just saw
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: that that person who was arrested has been released on
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: a relatively non-existent bail. I think it was $ 2, 500 what
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: I saw come across. What can you tell us about
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: that story and how much attention is it getting in
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: the Washington political class?
• 59:28
  Speaker 10: Well, the story is.
• 59:28
  Speaker 9: Getting a lot of attention because this is exactly the
• 59:30
  Speaker 9: kind of thing that we were experiencing under the Biden administration.
• 59:34
  Speaker 9: And just for context, this is the Iwo Jima Memorial
• 59:38
  Speaker 9: in Quantico. So that's in Stafford County or I think,
• 59:41
  Speaker 9: you know, Spotsylvania area. A beautiful memorial honoring the Marines
• 59:47
  Speaker 9: who have laid down their lives in the service of
• 59:49
  Speaker 9: their country. And that illegal immigrant, vandalized this statue by
• 59:56
  Speaker 9: cutting off one of the heads of one of these
• 59:58
  Speaker 9: soldiers with a sledgehammer. So really disgusting and violent crime.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 9: But he was released. And I was on a ride
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 9: along with ICE this morning. We have a video coming
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 9: soon from Daily Wire detailing what we saw there. But
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 9: something that I've been hearing from ICE over and over
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 9: again is that this immigration problem where we have these
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 9: violent offenders amongst us is only exacerbated by the ability
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 9: of local authorities to just circumvent the process. So in Fairfax,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 9: for example, you have all these local authorities that are
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 9: just letting all these immigrants out back into the streets
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 9: and ignoring the requests of ICE because they are listening
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 9: to the liberal local authorities like Stacey Kincaid over at
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 9: the sheriff in Fairfax County, or you've got Steve Descano,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 9: the rogue prosecutor over there. So there is a very
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 9: serious problem specifically in the Virginia area with immigrants being
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 9: released back onto the streets with local authorities not honoring
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 9: the president's mandate to protect the public from these violent,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 9: illegal criminals. So this is just another example of that.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 9: And I have a feeling that the president is going
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 9: to issue a true social statement very soon on this
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 9: topic because this is just too close to his heart.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 9: This is something that he cares about very deeply. And
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 9: given that Fairfax and Stafford or within an hour of Washington, D.C.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 9: It's particularly noticeable. And also, this statue, the Iwo Jima memorial,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 9: I mean, come on, could you come for something more
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 9: American than that, more revered and honored by Americans than
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 9: the heroes that have laid down their lives so that
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 9: the rest of us can enjoy the land of the
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 9: free and the home of the brave?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 10: I don't think so.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 9: So I think this guy picked the wrong fight, and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 9: it's about to become much more serious. But At The
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 9: Daily Wire, we're very interested in the story and we'll
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 9: be following it very closely. So hopefully we can bring
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 9: you guys some more answers.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 10: On that soon.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: Mary Margaret Olihan, she's doing great work. White House correspondent
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: for The Daily Wire. Also a fantastic site. Everybody can
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: check it out. Mary Margaret, we appreciate the time.
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  Speaker 10: Thanks for having me.
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