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Ken Rosenthal’s Inside Scoop: Pirates’ Clemente mishap, Vladdy money, Overlooked Phillies? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: I do expect that even the players would acknowledge. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a different vibe in the organization right now, in
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  Speaker 1: different culture and in their minds, a better culture.
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  Speaker 2: Image inside scoop time with that FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken,
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  Speaker 2: great work reporting on and writing on the Vladdie Junior story,
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  Speaker 2: which I feel like you've been covering for months now.
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  Speaker 3: So what's the aftermath? What are you hearing and what
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  Speaker 3: are you seeing?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that there's much of an afternet math
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  Speaker 1: other than the obvious guys, and it's that the Jays
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  Speaker 1: had to get this done. They got it done. And
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  Speaker 1: for Vladimir Gerrero Junior, he doesn't have to worry about
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  Speaker 1: what the first base market might look like in free
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  Speaker 1: agency now, even though he was a younger guy, is
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  Speaker 1: a younger guy, and during his age twenty seven season
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  Speaker 1: next year, which will be the first year of this contract,
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  Speaker 1: based on what happened to Peter Alonzo, based on what's
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  Speaker 1: happened with Freddie Freeman, even Matt Olsen in recent years,
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  Speaker 1: that market has created and this kind of in my
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  Speaker 1: mind and re establishes first baseman as valuable in a
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  Speaker 1: different way.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of this has to do with his age.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of his appeal has to do with his age,
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  Speaker 1: aside from his of course fantastic hitting ability, his ability
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  Speaker 1: to control the owe, all of that. But I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to be really interested to see what happens with Peter Alonzo. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that much is going to change for
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  Speaker 1: Peter Alonzo, but at the same time, the mere fact
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  Speaker 1: that this number was put up there for a first baseman,
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  Speaker 1: maybe we can stop acting like these guys all have cooties. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's great.
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  Speaker 4: I never thought you got me. Ken said cooties. I
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  Speaker 4: believe I believe you. If somebody as cooties, Ken will
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  Speaker 4: definitely write about their cooties. So I'm waiting for that article.
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  Speaker 4: What about Kyle Tucker? To me, you're talking about Pete
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  Speaker 4: Alonzo and the first base market, re establishing that whether
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  Speaker 4: that's going to affect it. Kyle Tucker is only two
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  Speaker 4: years older and he's becoming a free agent. Is this
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  Speaker 4: gooder bad for Ricketts and the Cubs, Bad for.
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  Speaker 1: The Cubs, great for Kyle Tucker. And the reason I
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  Speaker 1: say it's bad for the Cubs is it's reasonable to
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  Speaker 1: think now that Kyle Tucker, who is a superior all
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  Speaker 1: around player to Vladimir Guerrero Junior. I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: anyone would question that is going to get probably an
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  Speaker 1: AAV starting with a four forty million or above. And
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  Speaker 1: while his deal likely will be shorter because he's older
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  Speaker 1: than vlad by two years, as you said, as I
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  Speaker 1: wrote the other day, what if it's twelve years times
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  Speaker 1: forty two, that's five oh four. That's the kind of
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  Speaker 1: deal he could be looking at at minimum in free agency.
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  Speaker 1: I would expect that he's going to do really well.
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  Speaker 1: And each contract in free agency, or even an extension
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  Speaker 1: form like this one is it enables players to build
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  Speaker 1: on and that's what happened with Guerrero Junior. He wasn't
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  Speaker 1: getting five hundred million until Juan Soto got seven to
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  Speaker 1: sixty five. And that's how free agency has worked forever.
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  Speaker 1: That is how the players want it to work. And
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  Speaker 1: you cannot ignore what goes on in the market, either
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  Speaker 1: through extensions or free agency, when you have another player
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  Speaker 1: coming into that situation. Now here's Kyle Tucker. The Cubs
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  Speaker 1: are going to have to deal with this one way
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  Speaker 1: or the other, and my guess is they're not going
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  Speaker 1: to be at the level that other teams will be
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  Speaker 1: for Tucker.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, Ken, listen, I know Kyle Tucker is going to
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  Speaker 5: be on the phone like Jerry maguire with his representatives,
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  Speaker 5: But I want to talk about a guy that nobody's
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  Speaker 5: asking about. What does this mean for Boba?
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  Speaker 1: Shit?
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  Speaker 5: Now that this deal is done.
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  Speaker 6: We're are you know this can't be the end all
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  Speaker 6: to be all if you're a Blue Jays fan. I
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  Speaker 6: know they're happy they finally got their guy, but there's
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  Speaker 6: still work to be doing. And when you look at
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  Speaker 6: an offense that's starting to be somewhat on the decline.
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  Speaker 5: Certain guys in that lineup.
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  Speaker 1: What does this mean for both cam great question, and
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  Speaker 1: the reason it's a great question is because this move
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  Speaker 1: signals clearly that the Jays intend to compete now. They've
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  Speaker 1: never indicated anything otherwise, and in fact, they competed this year,
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  Speaker 1: or decided to compete this year, even with Bishett and
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  Speaker 1: Guerrero going into their walk years. It was a strategy
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  Speaker 1: that I thought was kind of ill conceived because to me,
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  Speaker 1: you could have traded those guys retooled on the fly.
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  Speaker 1: But look, they got their man now in Guerrero, and
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  Speaker 1: why wouldn't they go for Bobashett as well. Now, the
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  Speaker 1: relationship between the player and team might be different. Clearly,
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  Speaker 1: Vladimir Guerrero Junior was special to the Blue Jays because
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  Speaker 1: he was born in Canada, because he was homegrown, as
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  Speaker 1: was Bishette, of course, and it was a little bit
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  Speaker 1: different with him. But at the same time, if you
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  Speaker 1: want to build around two guys, those are two pretty
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  Speaker 1: good guys to build around. And Bobachhett is a shortstop
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  Speaker 1: and the other thing with bishett that's interesting to me.
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  Speaker 1: You look around the league, guys, there aren't many teams
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  Speaker 1: that figure to have openings at shortstop now. Sometimes teams
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  Speaker 1: will create openings to get a better player. Sometimes a
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  Speaker 1: player like bobaschhet could change positions like we thought Alex
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  Speaker 1: Bregman might in free agency. But that could influence him
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  Speaker 1: as he looks at the market. If the Jays came
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  Speaker 1: at him with a big extension right now, in my mind,
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  Speaker 1: he'd have to look at it. But there's been no
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  Speaker 1: indication that that is taking place. It's going to be
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  Speaker 1: really interesting to see where the Jays go from here,
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  Speaker 1: because if you look at it, Vlad's locked up Santan
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  Speaker 1: dere for a few years Andres Jimenez for a few years.
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  Speaker 1: They're pitching is getting a little bit older, but Barrios
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  Speaker 1: is still there. They still have a nice core here
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  Speaker 1: to build around. Their farm system isn't very good, so
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  Speaker 1: it seems to me they're going to have to continue
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  Speaker 1: spending to be the team that they want to be.
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  Speaker 5: You may not know this, or you may do they
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  Speaker 5: believe that Boba shit is that cornerstone God, because that's
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  Speaker 5: why that's kind of where I'm kind of led to believe,
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  Speaker 5: is like, well, do they actually think he's their guy
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  Speaker 5: along with Laddie or is there somebody else out there
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  Speaker 5: they might think that's the guy we'r eyeing.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, if you know, I'm just curious.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. But certainly in their approach to negotiations,
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  Speaker 1: we have not heard much about a Bishett extension. We
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  Speaker 1: just haven't and I don't know that there's been much
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  Speaker 1: talk about a Bashett extension. So that would lead me
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  Speaker 1: to believe cam that they don't see it maybe the
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  Speaker 1: way others might see it.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps the reason they haven't focused on Bishett is because
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  Speaker 1: they've been so focused on Guerrero Junior.
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  Speaker 3: That would make sense.
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  Speaker 1: Again, we'll find out exactly how much they value the player.
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  Speaker 1: This is what happens. Right For a while there, I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't so certain they valued Vladimir Guerrero Jr. The way
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  Speaker 1: they should have. I'm still not sure everyone in their
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  Speaker 1: front office values him in that way. I would imagine
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  Speaker 1: there was somewhat of a mixed camp about doing this,
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  Speaker 1: But Bashett is a separate case entirely. They'll have to
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  Speaker 1: look at him differently. They have some internal options that
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  Speaker 1: they can do to account for his loss. They can
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  Speaker 1: move him in as to shortstop back to shortstop, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that they want to do that. Aren't
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  Speaker 4: Are the Phillies overlooked? You were there this weekend. You
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  Speaker 4: didn't call me to have coffee or I don't drink coffee,
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  Speaker 4: or like a steak, or like a chicken burger or something.
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  Speaker 4: But you were in Philly and watched this team through
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  Speaker 4: some weather, playing the favorites to win the World Series Again,
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  Speaker 4: are they overlooked as a team.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that they're overlooked. Eric, and I apologize
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  Speaker 1: for not calling you, by the way, But at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, we talk so much about the Dodgers, so
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  Speaker 1: much about the Mets, and rightly so. The Dodgers did
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  Speaker 1: some incredible things again this offseason. The Mets they signed
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  Speaker 1: Wan Soto, but the Phillies still have a consistent, strong
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  Speaker 1: core and it's a group that's getting older, admittedly, but
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, they're really good. There's no question
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  Speaker 1: they're really good. And what is really interesting about them
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  Speaker 1: right now is that if Jesus Lozardo is as good
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  Speaker 1: as she has shown early and can stay healthy, then
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  Speaker 1: a rotation we already thought was really good is that
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  Speaker 1: much better, And it becomes a really intriguing thought for October.
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  Speaker 1: Could they run through October behind Wheeler and Nola and
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  Speaker 1: Christopher Sanchez and of course Luzardo and then maybe Ranger Suarez,
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  Speaker 1: the Phillies will have an interesting mix if again, most
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  Speaker 1: of those pitchers are healthy and offensively, they've been a
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  Speaker 1: little bit better this year, at least compared to us
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  Speaker 1: at times last year, less Chase doing some things maybe
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  Speaker 1: a little bit differently. So I don't know that they're overlooked,
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  Speaker 1: but they're really good. And would it shock me to
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  Speaker 1: see them in the World Series. No, it would not.
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  Speaker 4: That's what this team's built for. But let's go across
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  Speaker 4: the other side of the state where I'm not at.
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  Speaker 4: So if you ever go to a Pirates game, you
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  Speaker 4: probably won't because Fox doesn't do Pirates games. But anyway,
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  Speaker 4: if you go over there, do you feel like the
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  Speaker 4: Pirates ownership sales depart whoever takes the blame for selling
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  Speaker 4: a sign that covers up the Clemente sign. Do you
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  Speaker 4: feel like it was a actually an oversight like they said,
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  Speaker 4: or do you feel like it was something that was
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  Speaker 4: an opportunity for a money crab.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe everything that you just said, And yes, they clearly
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  Speaker 1: wanted to sell that portion of the outfield fence, and
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  Speaker 1: obviously it was an oversight that they didn't account for
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  Speaker 1: the fact that that was the spot they reserved for
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  Speaker 1: Roberto Clemente. Now, some fans pointed out in the aftermath
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  Speaker 1: of this, well, they corrected it, and they did. What
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  Speaker 1: I would like to know is how this even happened
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  Speaker 1: in the first place, because when you take down that
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  Speaker 1: tribute to Clemente and you put up an ad, clearly
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  Speaker 1: someone knows that's going.
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  Speaker 4: That ad is going.
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  Speaker 1: In the place where we were honoring Roberto, and no
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  Speaker 1: one said, m what are we doing here? No one
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  Speaker 1: paused no one kind of raised the red flag. That
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  Speaker 1: would be my concern there. And we all make mistakes.
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  Speaker 1: I get it, and things happen, and they did correct it.
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  Speaker 1: But it just speaks to an organization that on and
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  Speaker 1: off the field cannot seem to get out of its
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  Speaker 1: own way.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I want to hop to the San Francisco Giants, Ken.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't spoken about them in a moment. What do
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  Speaker 2: you think of their hot start? We know it's very
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  Speaker 2: very early on. They got shut down by Hunter Green yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: but already you can que the Buster Posey effect, which
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  Speaker 2: I talked yesterday about the possibility of that making a
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  Speaker 2: difference even with the on field product, despite it not
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  Speaker 2: having that many player differences from last year. But what
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  Speaker 2: do you think from what you've seen so far?
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  Speaker 1: I spoke about this on Fair Territory yesterday a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: and it's going to be a really easy narrative for
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  Speaker 1: us to say, Ah, far, anxiety's gone, Buster Posey's here,
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  Speaker 1: the players feel liberated, it's back to baseball, And to
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  Speaker 1: some degree that is true. I do expect that even
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  Speaker 1: the players would acknowledge. Yeah, it's a different vibe in
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  Speaker 1: the organization right now, in different culture and in their minds,
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  Speaker 1: a better culture. It's not all of it. Willia Damas,
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  Speaker 1: even though he's not hitting yet, is part of this, right.
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  Speaker 1: Jung Hu Lee, who barely played last year, is part
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  Speaker 1: of this. Matt Chapman being there in his second year
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  Speaker 1: with the Giants a fixture off to a good start,
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  Speaker 1: that's a part. Justin Verlander, even though he has not
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  Speaker 1: pitched particularly well so far, that's part of it. Robbie
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  Speaker 1: Ray adding a change up. All of these things are happening,
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  Speaker 1: besides the changeover from posey to a anxiety to posey. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Posey did of course play an instrumental role in signing
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  Speaker 1: a Damas, so he gets credit for that. But I
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  Speaker 1: want to see it play out more. They have been
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  Speaker 1: quite interesting so far. I like their rotation. The back
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  Speaker 1: end of their bullpen looks like it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: pretty good Doval and Walker, so it's intriguing to see
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  Speaker 1: where they are right now. But yes, we do need
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  Speaker 1: to see more.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, I'm with you. Yeah, we're a couple weeks in.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna do power rankings later.
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  Speaker 2: Ken, you can slide out of here before that to
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  Speaker 2: avoid what should be Yeah, a lot of fun and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of fan love and hate, so Ken, thank
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  Speaker 2: you for the time. We'll catch you on Thursday on
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  Speaker 2: fair Territory.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks guys, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: That's FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. That is your homage
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