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How 4Chan Scooped The Legacy Media The Morning Of Jeffrey Epstein's Death · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's death was reported at eight fifty four am
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  by Aaron Katski for ABC News. The only problem with
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  that is thirty eight minutes prior to that post going public,
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  Jeffrey Epstein's death was already announced on four Chan. The
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  question is who made the post on four chan about
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  Jeffrey Epstein's death. And I've looked and looked and looked,
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  and there has been no follow up reporting about this.
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  So we had the initial story break on August thirteenth,
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  and it was, you know, being reported that this post
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  was made on four chan. And we know that the
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  FDNY they initiated an investigation or a review into if
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  it could have been one of their employees who made
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  the post. Well, after that conversation with the chief of
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  the fire department occurred where he said that they did
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  the view and they found out that it was not
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  one of them, Well, the story pretty much just went away.
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  We haven't heard anything about it. There's been no follow
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  up reports, there's been no media reports about it and nothing.
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  So I thought that we'd go back and we take
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  a look at that post from on four chan with
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  the benefit of hindsight. Now again, I don't know what
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  the deal is, right, and more than likely it was
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  probably somebody who was working the crime scene, who I
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  guess uses four chan as well, who decided that they
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  were going to break the story themselves and post as
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  an anon on four Chan and basically scoop the media.
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  Now that's the most likely scenario, right, But who knows.
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  We don't have any evidence, really any reporting at all
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  about this except for the initial story. So I thought
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  it was a good idea to go back and have
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  another look at this with hindsight as a tool that
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  we can use. You know, now that we know so
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  much about the case, when we go back and we
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  take a look at it, and maybe things will all
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  into place, right, maybe we'll have a better idea of
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  about who would be posting on four chan and what
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  that motivation would be. So, again, more than likely it
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  was somebody who was working the crime scene. There was
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  a bunch of people working the crime scene obviously, right,
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  so it was probably one of them who made the post.
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  But that doesn't answer the question of who the person is, right,
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  that's the likeliest scenario. But how come there was never
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  any reporting about this after the fact. How come there
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  was never no follow up or no digging or anybody
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  trying to figure out who the initial author was. I
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  think it's pretty interesting that they just let this story
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  die out, because who knows, whoever made that post might
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  be able to add a little bit of perspective to
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  the case, a little bit of context.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to go back and we're going to
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  check out the first article. It's a BuzzFeed News article,
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  and we're going to see what they have to say.
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  This article was first published August thirteenth, twenty nineteen, and
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  this this article was written by Jane Litvinenko. Headline Jeffrey
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  Epstein's death was on four chan before officials announced it
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  and authorities had to look into it. About thirty eight
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  minutes before news outlets first reported Jeffrey Epstein's death in prison,
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  a four chan user published a detail post about it. Now,
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  that's pretty concerning in the best of times, right, very
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  concerning when you see something like that and it looks
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  like a breach from the inside an employee more than likely.
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  But again, who knows, and you see this kind of thing,
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  and A it's very unprofessional, right, and B you have
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  to ask yourself, why would somebody that's in the middle
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  of doing this work, you know, trying to resuscitate Epstein
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  or showing up to the crime scene. What's their motivation
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  for posting it on four Chan? And that's a question
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  I've asked myself time and time again when I've looked
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  back at this part of the case and pondered who
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  it could be and what their motivation was making that post.
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  And again, more than likely it was probably just somebody
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  at the crime scene, right, somebody who is, you know,
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  not so serious about their job obviously, and who decided that,
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  you know what, I'm gonna ship post real quick to
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  four chan and I'm going to scoop the media. That's
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  that's what I would when when I first looked at this,
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  this is what I you know, the scenario I came
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  up with. And still, you know, going back and looking
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  at it, I'm still leaning towards that as the scenario
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  of the origination of this post. But I think it
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  deserves further examination, and I think, you know, there's definitely
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  a question to be asked as to who the author was.
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  New York City Fire Department looked into whether an employee
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  posted about Jeffrey Epstein's death on a notorious Internet message
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  board prior to officials announcing it to the public. BuzzFeed
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  News has learned after telling BuzzFeed News the post was
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  under review and FDNY spokesperson set authorities determined this alleged
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  information did not come from the fire department, all right,
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  So it didn't come from fire department. What about the
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  correctional officers that were on the scene. What about you know,
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  anybody else who might have been there. Who's the doctor?
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  I think this is, you know, something that should not
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  have been ignored. And if somebody who was working the
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  scene and working as an employee of the jail system.
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  I think that people should act and conduct themselves correctly
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  when it comes to something like this, so that there
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  can be no outs for people like Epstein and their lawyers.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, if Jeffrey Epstein would have survived this,
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  and they would have conducted their investigation and the resuscitation
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  and all of that stuff, and they would have done
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  it in a manner that was considered sloppy, you don't
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  think Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys, led by Alan Dershowitz, would have
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  had a field day with that and found a loophole
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  to get him some less time or whatever, because that's
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  how they play this game. When you're dealing with somebody
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  like Epstein, and you're dealing with somebody that's as powerful
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  as he is when it comes to his manipul of
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  the courts, you have to make sure that you have
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  an ironclad case and you're following the rules to a t.
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  And we know from everything that went on the day
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  of his of Epstein's death, we know that literally no
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  steps were followed. There was no pictures of the crime scene. Video,
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  I mean video footage, bodycam footage by the officers who responded,
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  they moved the body. All sorts of bad stuff happened, right,
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  So this is just another question that has not been answered.
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  An investigation is a formal is a formal act which
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  brings about a process which includes interviewing witnesses, serving notice,
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  determined incredibility of witness statements, and that was not warranted,
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  nor did it take place here. This determination was made
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  after a review of the incident. We looked at the
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  information provided by a reporter, and we looked at our
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  own records, and there was no match, said FDNY spokesperson
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  Frank Dwyer, who added that the fdnwy's Office of Healthcare
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  Compliance conducted the review. It doesn't match our medical records.
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  Almost forty minutes before ABC News first reported Epstein's death
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  on Twitter, someone posted still unverified details on four Chan,
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  the anonymous message board popular with far right trolls and
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  white nationalists. I think that they could probably tone that
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  back a little bit right. How about a popular message
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  board with all sorts of radicals and whack jobs. I mean,
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  have you ever dipped your toe into four Chan? If
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  you're looking for a look into the human psyche of
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  the in cell or the psychopath, definitely four Chan would
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  be the place to go. I'm talking if Sigmund Freud
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  was alive and he went to four chan, he would
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  have a field day the post. Don't ask me how
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  I know, but Epstein died an hour ago from hanging
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  and cardiac arrest. Screencap. This read the post, which was
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  published at eight sixteen am, alongside an image of Pepe,
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  the green frog that has become a mascot for right
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  wing internet trolls. And again, the BuzzFeed obviously has their
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  political bent. Right obviously has their own bias, and of course,
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  if they get a chance to slam the football down
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  and score some political points by pointing out that right
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  wing trolls hang out on four Chan. Well, they can
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  never help they can never help themselves. They have to
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  do it, so they have to make sure they slam
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  the football down and make sure that they're doing their
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  part to keep the tribalism in play. Meanwhile, none of that,
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  it's necessary. Just give us the information and don't try
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  and divide the people. Let the people come together and
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  force justice in the case. Right. But even when they're
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  reporting on something as serious as this at a place
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  like BuzzFeed, it has to be skewered, it has to
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  be has to have a political bend right, And it's
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  no different from other outlets on the right, you know,
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  Bright Bart, etc. Etc. It's all the same thing. And
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  what it is, folks, And why I point it out,
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  it's just more gaslighting. It's more gaslighting by the legacy media,
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  them trying to get you to think a certain way.
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  That message was posted thirty eight minutes before the first
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  tweet about Epstein's death from Aaron Katski, an ABC News reporter,
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  at eight fifty four am. Five minutes later, the main
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  ABC News account tweeted an article about Epstein's death After
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  publishing the post, other four chan users egged on the
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  author when they expressed doubt. The original poster added more
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  information to the discussion thread, including a detailed breakdown of
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  the procedures allegedly used to resuscitate Epstein, which suggests the
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  poster may have been a first responder, medical worker, or
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  otherwise privy to details about efforts to resuscitate the disgraced
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  financier pedophile. So that's interesting, right. The details that the
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  poster posted afterwards match up with what happens at a
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  scene like this, suggesting that it was a medical worker
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  or somebody that was a medic or with training. Now,
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  who knows who else was around? Do we have a
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  full accounting of who was in that cell when Epstein
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  was being resuscitated. Maybe there was a doctor there that
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  we didn't know about. Could be right, We don't know.
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  That's the problem, folks. That's the biggest problem here. There
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  has not been any transparency when it comes to the government.
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  There has been zero transparency when it comes to the
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  circumstances that led to Jeffrey Epstein's death, and therefore, in
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  lieu of that, there is going to be questions, there's
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  going to be skepticism. Nobody's gonna believe that the narrative
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  that they're trying to push when the only person who's
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  seen these supposed tapes is bar right of what was
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  going on in the cell. Oh, I saw the tapes.
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  You can trust me that nothing occurred. Sorry, buddy, I
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  don't trust you. You see all these coincidences that are
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  around Jeffrey Epstein's death, It warrants more investigation, and it
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  certainly warrants more than you have to trust me and
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  believe me, especially when all of the players that are
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  involved in this are at the highest levels of power.
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  How do we know that you're not covering for them?
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  Nobody who's gonna trust just your word on something like this? Right,
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  and again, we don't know who is at the scene.
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  We don't have a detailed listing. We don't have an
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  account of the actual personnel that showed up when Epstein
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  supposedly killed himself. We don't have We don't have those details.
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  So it's money. It could be anybody. It could be
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  a fireman and the review missed it. It could be
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  a medic and the review missed it. It could be
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  an employee of the of the prison and the review
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  missed it. Who knows who it was? And that's the
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  question I'm asking, who could have possibly made this post
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  and why has it not been of interest enough to
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  the legacy media for them to come back and take
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  another look at this. Dwyer told BuzzFeed News he could
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  not verify the accuracy of the information in the four
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  chan post, but he said any medical professional who divulges
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  patient information without consent is in violation of a federal
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  health privacy law HIPPA, and that FDN Y would look
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  into it again. Another case of the investor, the the
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  investigated investigating themselves. You know, don't get me wrong. The
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  fire department in any in the world are is filled
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  with brave souls, right, absolute modern day heroes. Anyone who
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  runs into a building that's on fire has a big
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  set on them and deserves respect. Right. So I'm not
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  talking about the the the actual fireman here, but when
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  you get into the bureaucrats, Look, this is big business man,
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  especially in a place like New York. It's big business.
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  When you become the chief or you're the head of
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  the fire department, you're not You're no longer a man
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  that's running into buildings you're in a different circle, right,
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  You're in another food range. At this point. You're dealing
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  with politics. You're dealing with politicians, city councilmen, et cetera,
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  et cetera. So of course they're going to lean on
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  you and they're going to suggest that you move things
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  in a forthright manner. And you know, look, these guys
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  are not above being pressured. Right, you're a police chief,
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  whatever it may be. These guys are pressured all the time.
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  We see it all the time, and that's probably what
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  was happening here as well. They you know, they were
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  pressured to get initiated in a review, and they probably
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  did a review, but not a long one, not a
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  good one, not one that truly vetted everybody that was there,
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  kind of just like a save face review. In my opinion,
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  The department will review this incident, he said at the time.
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  The FDNY later said that it is reviewing the incident,
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  but there is no investigation. That's interesting, haun. Just a
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  review that didn't even warrant enough for an investigation, huh,
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  even if it was just something as as basic as
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  one of the medics or the fire department guys that
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  were on scene, or a police officer, a corrections officer,
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  I should say even if it was something like one
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  of them made the post, then that should you know,
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  they should they should say that they shouldn't conduct this
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  shoddy review and then come out and say, oh, well
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  we don't know who made the post, because that doesn't
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  really cut it right. There were only certain members that
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  there certain people that were there, so there's a list
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  of people that it could have been. I just don't
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  understand how this doesn't warrant more investigation to find out
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  who made the post. Or In Barzilai, the president of
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  the Union for EMT Workers Local twenty five oh seven
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  in New York, said, our members do not release this
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  type of confidential information. This looks like third party info.
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  All right, well, what third parties were there? Again? That's
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  the question I have. Doesn't mean that there was something
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  devious going on with this post, or that it was
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  part of a grand conspiracy, but it certainly warrants further
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  investigation and for some context, right and some clarity going forward.
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  This is another problem I have with the legacy media.
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  They like to report stuff and then never go back
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  and do a follow up. And what they do is
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  they just you know, keep it moving, and they act
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  like it wasn't important or it wasn't a useful piece
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  of information in the case, and they just bury it.
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  And I don't understand why they would do that and
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  not try and figure out where this post originated. I
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  think that that would be an interesting investigation and the
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  person who wrote the post, I think that would be
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  one hell of an interview. Barslay also told BuzzFeed News
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  the union would investigate the potential breach of confidentiality if
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  such a claim came forward. There's serious consequences for those violations, discipline, suspensions,
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  civil penalties, etc. Barslay set in an email, Oh yeah,
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  we can tell. We can tell that you guys really
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  initiated an investigation. Huh. Again, nothing against the union, right
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  they have to protect their members. I get it. But
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  where is the independent oversight of all of these bureaucracies.
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  There is none. It's supposed to come from Congress or
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  of the city council locally, but we never see that.
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  They're too busy advancing whatever their own motivations are, whatever
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  their own private personal projects might be. They don't have
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  time for oversight. Oversight, Yeah right, they'll conduct their own
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  investigations and then when something horrible happens and someone like
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  Jeffrey Epstein dies in jail, the finger starting point begins, right,
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  they start blaming each other. Oh, this part of the
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  department was lax, or this part department didn't do their job.
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  When we know it's a systematic problem. The whole entire thing,
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  from top to bottom is broken, including the two tier
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  justice system. When are we going to address that? When
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  are we going to fix that? The Medical Examiner's Office
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  and the Metropolitan Correctional Center both declined to comment. Spokespeople
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  for the New York Presbyterian Hospital have not responded to
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  repeated emails and calls requesting comment. That's interesting. Now, I
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  don't have any evidence of anybody who could have made
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  this post, right, But in my opinion, I bet you
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  it came from the Medical Examiner's office. It sounds like
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  something from a medical examiner's office in my opinion. Now,
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  who that could be, I have no idea, And if
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  that's even the case, I have no evidence to prove that.
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  That's from reading this and knowing about the circumstances surrounding this.
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  In my opinion, that's the likeliest place for this leak
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  to have originated. The full details of Epstein's death won't
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  be known until the final coroner's report is released, meaning
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  the four chan post laying out the alleged treatment he
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  received cannot be fully verified. An EMS expert contacted by
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  BuzzFeed News said the details in the post are consistent
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  with standard practices, and again they'll do they're trying to
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  make it seem here like you know, we still can't
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  verify the what happened afterwards, the stuff that the poster
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  talked about afterwards. But I think while that's important, the
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  most the biggest thing here is the fact that the
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  poster broke the story before Legacy media thirty eight minutes
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  before legacy media. Where did he get that information? As
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  we all know, the legacy the media is on everything.
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  You know, they was something salacious like this, They have
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  contacts everywhere. The fact that they were scooped for so
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  long is it's crazy to me to think that they
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  didn't get their clause on the story first and they
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  were scooped by four Chan. Information released by the Federal
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  Bureau of Prisons also appears to line up with some
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  of what was posted on four Chan. Again, it look
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  in my opinion, there's zero doubt that this post originated
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  from the site of Jeffrey Epstein's death from the jailhouse. Now,
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  the question is who made the post? Right? That is
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  the whole point of tonight's episode, And the whole point
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  of the question that I'm asking is who could have
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  possibly made this post and why has there not been
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  more of an investigation into the origination of this post.
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  Doctor Keith Wesley, an emergency medicine physician who has authored
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  several EMS textbooks and articles, viewed the four chan posts
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  at BuzzFeed News request and said it lays out standard
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  procedures for paramedics. This sounds like standard American Heart Association guidelines,
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  which most EMS agencies use. Wesley said. Parts of the
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  post refers to telemetry advised BYCARB. According to Wesley, this
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  could mean the first responders were also speaking with the
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  hospitals as they were trying to resuscitate their patient. That's
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  pretty interesting, right, they were talking to the hospital, according
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  to that post, and they were seeking guidance. Right, they
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  were in the field and they were seeking guidance from
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  doctors as these medics attempted to resuscitate Jeffrey Epstein. Telemetry
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  implies the paramedics were in contact with a medical control
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  hospital who then gave orders to give sodium bicarbonate BYCARB,
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  which is designed to reverse the acid build up in
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  the blood from prolonged cardiac arrest, Wesley said in an email.
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  So here was the follow up post by the anon
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  who sent the original post about Epstein being dead.
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  Speaker 2: Worked as assstall arrest for forty minutes, als intubated in
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  the field, EPI two leaders n s infused telemetry advised
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  BYICARB and D fifty in the field.
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  Speaker 1: Patient transported to Lower Manhattan Er and worked on for
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  twenty minutes and called hospital administrator was alerted preparing statements.
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  So that was the follow up post to the original
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  post where they stated that Epstein had been was dead, right,
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  So they added this later on. I don't know how much.
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  Let's see what time later. This was added about the
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  eight forty seven fifty six. So still this post, the
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  second post that he made was still seven minutes roughly
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  before ABC scooped, I mean before ABC came out and
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  reported the news. So that's pretty interesting, right, This poster
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  fired off two posts about Epstein's death before ABC News
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  even picked it up. If one of the medics posted
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  this separately. That's a breach of protocol, he added if
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  there was an identify if there was identifying information on
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  the patient, that is a violation of federal hippo law.
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  The four chan user made six posts about Epstein's death.
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  One of them claimed that attempts to resuscitate Epstein was
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  made for forty minutes before he was transported to the hospital,
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  at which point medical personnel tried to revive him for
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  another twenty minutes. Those details are at least partially consistent
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  with the information regarding Epstein's death that have been publicly
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  released by the Federal Bureau of Prisons. So I think
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  it's pretty fair to say at this point that the
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  person who made that post was in the know. They
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  knew what was going on. They had an idea, a
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  very good idea of the situation on hand, and they
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  knew exactly what went on, meaning the steps that were
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  taken to try and resuscitate Epstein and bring him back
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  to life after he was found unresponsive in his cell,
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  which suggests to me a medical professional of some sort
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  pt transported to Lower Manhattan Er and worked on for
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  twenty minutes and called hospital administrator was alerted preparing statement
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  said the four chan post staff requested emergency medical services
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  and life saving efforts continued. Set a statement released by
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  the Department of Justice Federal Bureau of Prisons on Saturday,
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  mister Epstein was transported by EMS to a local hospital
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  for treatment of life threatening injuries and subsequently pronounced dead
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  by hospital staff. So you see how it adds up, right,
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  This is what the poster originally said, and then you
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  have the Department of Justice giving us their very cryptic
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  releases like usual, just enough information, right, So it's unbelievable
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  how much they keep back from the American public. It
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  is unbelievable how they play games with the American public.
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  It's not clear who posted the news of Epstein's death
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  on four chan, but first responders and hospital staff would
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  have access to information laid out in the post. The
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  reaction of four Chan to the news was explosive. Some
• 23:16
  users didn't believe the author, while others launched straight into
• 23:19
  conspiracy theories that have since engulf news of Epstein's death.
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  The four chan thread was first found by Conrad etterby
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  a developer based in Barcelona who was researching conspiracy surrounding
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  Epstein's Epstein online. That'll keep the conspiracies forever. I Urby
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  said about the four Chan post, and again, look, folks,
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  we I don't have any information that's saying that this
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  is some kind of you know, huge part of the
• 23:46
  case or anything like that. This isn't like a piece
• 23:49
  of information that's gonna blow this case wide open. But
• 23:52
  it's very interesting that nobody has reported on this since
• 23:55
  we have no news reports about who the post might
• 23:59
  have been made by, no follow up stories about it.
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  And it's pretty significant that a story as as big
• 24:07
  as this was broke on four chan as opposed to
• 24:10
  buy the legacy media. Pretty amazing in my opinion. Now again,
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  and all signs lead to a medical professional being the
• 24:22
  person who posted this. Now the question would be who
• 24:25
  were the medical professionals that were on scene, And of
• 24:28
  course we don't have that information, so we can't even
• 24:31
  begin to speculate. All I can say is that this
• 24:34
  post definitely was made on four Chan before Jeffrey Epstein
• 24:37
  was dead. This post called it before Jeffrey Epstein was dead,
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  and then went into the procedures that were supposedly used
• 24:46
  on Jeffrey Epstein to try and resuscitate him. And this
• 24:49
  was all before ABC even reported that the guy was dead.
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  Crazy times we're living in, folks, Crazy times that we
• 24:58
  are living in. There are so many different rabbit holes
• 25:06
  to go down in Jeffrey, in this Jeffrey Epstein case
• 25:09
  that it's it's it's mind boggling that every single time
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  you think that you have a question answered in this case,
• 25:16
  another one arises. So again, folks, what do you think?
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  Who do you think could have been the author of
• 25:22
  that post? It could have a medical professional, maybe one
• 25:26
  of the guards. What do you guys think? You can
• 25:28
  shoot me an email at proton at Bobby Kapucci at
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  ProtonMail dot com. That's b O B B y c
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  A p U C C I at ProtonMail dot com