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Trump Accidentally Makes China Stronger | Silk and Steel · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to the next one, which is kind of,
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Speaker 1: you know, the same thing in the same category. So
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Speaker 1: this is one that I brought up that Luke pointed
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Speaker 1: out that the White House is looking at overhauling US
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Speaker 1: science funding. Now, this is why this is really interesting
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Speaker 1: for two reasons. One, it creates a really interesting problem,
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Speaker 1: or not interesting, a big issue where you can have
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Speaker 1: an administration that comes in and completely overhauls the direction
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Speaker 1: of scientific institutions like this every four years. Imagine how
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Speaker 1: much this is going to hamper US development perhaps, But
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Speaker 1: perhaps what's even more important than that is they always
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Speaker 1: accuse Chinese institutions and Chinese educational institutes, all of these
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Speaker 1: kinds of scientific bodies of being completely associated with and
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Speaker 1: connected to the Chinese Communist Party. But that's essentially what
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Speaker 1: they're trying to do here in the US is overhaul
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Speaker 1: all of these industries. So it is basically just the
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Speaker 1: political arm of the government. It is completely controlled by
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Speaker 1: the government. It becomes everything that they claim that these
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Speaker 1: Chinese institutions are. Like, for example, with you know, and
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Speaker 1: Nvidia's the CEO when he goes on the board of
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Speaker 1: Chinghua University, like, oh no, that's a you know, Chinese
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Speaker 1: Communist Party controlled entity. That's what they're trying to turn
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Speaker 1: the US into. Their imagination of how China works is
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Speaker 1: what they actually want for themselves. And I know we've
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Speaker 1: said it many times again, but it goes back to
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Speaker 1: every accusation. What are your thoughts on this?
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Speaker 2: You know, Trump administration is really destroying all the advantages
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Speaker 2: that US Empire used to enjoy over its rivals. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he's like, I'm old enough to remember. People say China
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Speaker 2: will not be able to compete with United States because
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Speaker 2: US has the ability to brain drain the rest of
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Speaker 2: the world, you know, but the best and the brightest
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Speaker 2: they come to the United States and then they contribute
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Speaker 2: to the US advancement, where China they can only rely
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Speaker 2: on Chinese people inside China, and not even that because
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Speaker 2: a lot of the top, top level Chinese people come
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Speaker 2: to the United States who work, and this is why
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Speaker 2: US will remain ahead of China. Yet here we are
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. You know, Trump is raging the
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Speaker 2: China Initiative to prosecute all the Chinese origin researcher and scientists,
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Speaker 2: and he's cutting the science and fundings to science and
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Speaker 2: basically destroying all the premises that the supposed advantage that
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Speaker 2: United States do enjoy over China. And while China is
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Speaker 2: going the opposite direction. You know, Chinese actually welcoming people
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Speaker 2: to come to China, you know, like there are now
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Speaker 2: many non ethnic Chinese people who are going to China
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Speaker 2: to join research. Luke himself is example, he went to
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Speaker 2: China to get a PhD in Ai in medical research
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Speaker 2: because he said that was one of the best best
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Speaker 2: place to do it. And so yeah, so Trump, Trump is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you on that point too. You you are seeing
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Speaker 1: a shift. You know here at the International school there,
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Speaker 1: most of the foreign foreign students were here working for
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Speaker 1: American companies in China. For example, Ford used to have
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Speaker 1: a huge manufacturing base and research facilities here in chong Ching,
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Speaker 1: and there was a massive community of Americans here working
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Speaker 1: for Ford. They left and for a period of time
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Speaker 1: pretty much the only people that were here were basically
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Speaker 1: Chinese students with overseas passports or Koreans. There's a big
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Speaker 1: Korean community here in chung Ching. This year it has
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Speaker 1: really started to change. We've seen so many additional foreign
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Speaker 1: faces come in and they are no longer coming to
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Speaker 1: work for foreign companies in chung Ching, they're actually working
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Speaker 1: for by D, They're actually working for all of these
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Speaker 1: different Chinese companies. And I mentioned to the school also,
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Speaker 1: I said, this is really interesting. It shows a really
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Speaker 1: positive change that if you ever did have foreigners here,
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Speaker 1: they were doing their own thing here. But now Chinese
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Speaker 1: companies have gotten to a point where they're bringing the
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Speaker 1: talent in now and they're willing to contribute to these companies.
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Speaker 1: So it's a really it is definitely a really interesting shift.
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Speaker 2: I think that trend will continue continue as Chinese brand
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Speaker 2: continue to gain recognition abroad, like like ZX Moto Moto's
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Speaker 2: Homely Ching motorcycle brand that's now suddenly emerging in the world,
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Speaker 2: right like like my catching people's attention. You know, sorry,
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Speaker 2: I just give them to have to give them a
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Speaker 2: shout out because you know, I'm funds Homely Chang and
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Speaker 2: Tojin is like the motorcycle capital of China and so yeah,
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Speaker 2: so so like I think I think that that that
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Speaker 2: train will likely accelerate in the future as well.
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Speaker 1: I actually watched the video this morning where there was
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Speaker 1: this guy he has this motorcycle review channel, and it
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Speaker 1: was I need to issue a public apology to z
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Speaker 1: x Moto because he had made a video on them
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Speaker 1: months ago, and he the previous video, he was really
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Speaker 1: hard on them. He said, he says, like, where where's
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Speaker 1: this company coming out of nowhere? Like, look at their aspirations.
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Speaker 1: This is ridiculous, this isn't going to happen. And so
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Speaker 1: he says, now, he says, wow, he says he has
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Speaker 1: to completely take that back. And then he even went further.
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Speaker 1: He went further saying that so many of these Chinese
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Speaker 1: companies are driven by a passion rather than you know,
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Speaker 1: share maximizing the shareholder's uh, you know return, because he said,
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Speaker 1: some of these decisions they make do not make sense
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Speaker 1: as a business decision. But it is this guy following
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Speaker 1: his passion saying, no, we got to do this, even
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Speaker 1: this is going to be a longer route, you know,
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Speaker 1: this is what it needs to be about. And he
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Speaker 1: was invigorated by that when he compares it to a
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Speaker 1: lot of overseas brands that first and foremost it's about
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Speaker 1: the bottom line, it's about the shareholders. So he completely
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Speaker 1: changed his his perspective on that. So, yeah, absolutely shout
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Speaker 1: out to z x moto because they definitely deserve that
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Speaker 1: we'll go on to the next we should get a endorsement,
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Speaker 1: you know, ZX Moto. If anybody from ZX Mote is watching,
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Speaker 1: I'm here in chong Ching. I've got three motorbikes. I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't mind having a fourth. Truth is, I'm probably gonna
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Speaker 1: buy one of yours anyway eventually, even if you don't
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Speaker 1: sponsor it. But pretend you didn't hear that part, and
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Speaker 1: pretend that I need you to help put one in
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Speaker 1: my hands in order for me to get on one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that song on song on an automobile, I
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Speaker 2: could use the s U V E BALI.
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Speaker 1: We're here for you, guys. We're here for you guys. No,
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Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely, I was I was watching. I was reading
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Speaker 1: the comments also on that video, and they were talking
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Speaker 1: about how the CEO is actually on live streams every
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Speaker 1: week talking directly to customers and addressing any of their issues,
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Speaker 1: any repair concerns, anything like that. Like he says, like,
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Speaker 1: can you imagine a foreign CEO doing this? Like they're
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Speaker 1: just raving about it. And in the beginning you had,
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Speaker 1: you know, especially of course when it's a new brand,
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Speaker 1: you had certain things that would break down. But the
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Speaker 1: one thing that Zxmoto has always had a really good
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Speaker 1: reputation for was that whenever you have anything wrong, they
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Speaker 1: just fix it for you. They even send you the part,
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Speaker 1: no questions asked, they send you apart. So here you
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Speaker 1: go and you can go to one of their shops
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Speaker 1: and change it. Really really good support. But yeah, I
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Speaker 1: feel like this is this is going to sound like
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Speaker 1: a sponsored video, but it's absolutely not. But once again,
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Speaker 1: zx Moto, if you want it to be, I'm here,
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Speaker 1: I'm here in Trumching. You don't have to ship it
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Speaker 1: too far. Let's go on. Let's go on to another
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Speaker 1: one that you brought up here. Here we go.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so let me let me okay, So this
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Speaker 2: is by our our our good friend Arnold. There you go.
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Speaker 2: This is again this is ft uh did the article
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Speaker 2: on US National Security Agency use Anthropics metals for cyber
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Speaker 2: attack against China and Iran and Arnold says, here you go.
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Speaker 2: Ft confirmed that not only the NSA is used using
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Speaker 2: Anthropics AI for offensive cyber operations against nations as China
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Speaker 2: or Iran, but Anthropics is actively helping them in that effort.
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Speaker 2: As per article, Anthropics install about half a dozen steps
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Speaker 2: within an essay a so called forward deploy engineers to
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Speaker 2: guide the use of technology and customizing model for specific applications.
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Speaker 2: He confirms two things. First, of the US is the
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Speaker 2: most aggressive state, is the most aggressive state actor in
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Speaker 2: cyberspace so far offensively infiltrate other nations network. And how
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Speaker 2: he's supercharging this capability with AI. Heck, that literally one
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Speaker 2: of the core mission statements of an essay one of
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Speaker 2: the largest security agency of the US government. Second, Anthropics
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Speaker 2: carefully cultivated image as the ethical safety first AI company
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Speaker 2: that partner with the church is a fiction. In reality,
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Speaker 2: the most deeply embedded AI company in the US security state.
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Speaker 2: Instead of building guardrails, they are literally weaponizing their own
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Speaker 2: AI inside or their own AI inside and essay again,
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Speaker 2: and the accusation is a confession because this is the
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Speaker 2: kind of stuff that throw against the Chinese AI companies.
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Speaker 2: They're saying, Oh, they're gonna you know, China is gonna
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Speaker 2: weaponizing us to do wage sub cyber attack against US power. Griz.
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Speaker 2: You know what what if they bringing down like shut
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Speaker 2: down our power, shut down our electricity, our our you know,
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Speaker 2: our signaling system. This is exactly what United States does.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also they use the accusation without any actual
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Speaker 1: evidence of Chinese military ties for companies, whether it's you
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Speaker 1: know what is it called HK Vision the camera company,
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Speaker 1: whether it's Huawei or anything like, they use that as
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Speaker 1: a reason to sanction it, saying it is dangerous, it
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Speaker 1: should be sanctioned, and what they should if you're using
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Speaker 1: their own loge logic, every single country in the world
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Speaker 1: should be banning this AI platform because it absolutely is
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Speaker 1: the thing that the US says would be a national
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Speaker 1: threat if any other country was doing it, a national
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Speaker 1: security threat. So I mean that's you can't say enough.
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Speaker 1: Everything just comes back to every accusation over and over again.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have.
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Speaker 1: The next one is another one that you brought up here,
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Speaker 1: the Iran war strategy. Take it away, right.
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Speaker 2: So this is Steve Chu who is actually a fellow
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Speaker 2: graduate from call Tech. He's talking about that that kabuki
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Speaker 2: theater between NATA, Yahoo and Donald Trump. Supposedly they had
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Speaker 2: the disagreement. So this is Steve Chewing. He has his
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Speaker 2: contact in Beijing. He said, this is what he heard
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Speaker 2: in Beijing. The Iran war is a strategic gift, GEO
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Speaker 2: strategic gift to China. Washington has once again allowed Israeli
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Speaker 2: strategic priority to overwrite its own national interest, bleeding military power,
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Speaker 2: diplomatic capital into a conflict that serves Tel Aviv, not Washington.
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Speaker 2: The US has become the forser for foreign powers regional ambition,
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Speaker 2: and the Hubris will accelerate its relative decline faster than
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Speaker 2: any Chinese missiles could.
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Speaker 1: Hard to argue with that, Yeah, I mean there's a
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Speaker 1: couple of fronts. Yeah, it takes it takes attention away
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Speaker 1: from this pivot to Asia thing, but it also creates
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Speaker 1: a global perspective where China looks like the more responsible party.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: I will say though that a good friend of mine,
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Speaker 1: you know him too, Ben Norton, he has a different
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Speaker 1: perspective on the Israel US relationship. Whether whether you believe
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Speaker 1: this angle or not, it's up to you, but I'll
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Speaker 1: put it out there. He says that actually, what the
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Speaker 1: US is doing in the Middle East is something that
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Speaker 1: they want to do anyway, but they can use Israel
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Speaker 1: as an excuse, even if they have to look like
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Speaker 1: on the surface to some people that they are subservient
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Speaker 1: to Israel, that it is Israel pushing them to do
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Speaker 1: all this stuff. But actually it's stuff that they want
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Speaker 1: to do anyway, but they can use Israel's escapegoal, even
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Speaker 1: if it makes them look weak in the process in
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Speaker 1: terms of being, you know, beholden to Israel foreign policy.
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Speaker 1: It's a possible theory, but whatever the case may be,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't make a difference in terms of the key
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Speaker 1: point here, which is it's a strategic gift to China.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Trump is accelerating the American imperior to This is
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Speaker 2: why he's my president.
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Speaker 1: Make China great again. Here we go. This is one
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Speaker 1: I believe I brought this one at or Yeah, the
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Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party operates a mafia that it intends to
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Speaker 1: continue killing thousands of Americans through fentanyl trafficking. Let's watch
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Speaker 1: the video and see what he says. Let me see
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Speaker 1: if we.
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Speaker 4: Have President Obama, President Trump, President Biden, now President Trump again,
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Speaker 4: have all interacted with Shijinping about this topic. He has
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Speaker 4: lied to all of them about enforcement. At some point,
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Speaker 4: we have to draw the conclusion that we're dealing with
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Speaker 4: essentially a mafia that's not getting out of the business,
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Speaker 4: and so it's only going to change if we are
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Speaker 4: making it have to adjust its behavior. The President, i know,
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Speaker 4: has raised it at a personal level with Cijinping. There
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Speaker 4: is some cooperation that happens. Usually it will be intelligence
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Speaker 4: that China will provide us to enforce in our country.
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Speaker 4: But it's odd that they can provide the intelligence to
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Speaker 4: find these individuals in the United States, but are somehow
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Speaker 4: not able to find factories that have to operate at
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Speaker 4: a scale to.
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Speaker 2: Kill half a million people.
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Speaker 4: So these cannot be things that are hiding underground.
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Speaker 2: They are findable.
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Speaker 4: And so it's a question of will for any of
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Speaker 4: us that have been dealing with China for a long time,
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Speaker 4: in the bad old days and maybe still to today,
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Speaker 4: when you were engaged in a political crime, you could
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Speaker 4: be put to day. I think your family was forced
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Speaker 4: to pay for the bullet. Who has been forced to
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Speaker 4: pay for the bullet in China for what they've done
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Speaker 4: to us?
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Speaker 2: Uh?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, actually this is one that you brought up. I'll
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Speaker 1: just say one thing beforehand, Like they are expecting China
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Speaker 1: to be their dea to clean up their issues that
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Speaker 1: they're responsible for cleaning up. You know, China is providing
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Speaker 1: they call it precursors to to to fentanyl. I mean
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Speaker 1: water is a you know, pre fentanyl you know also
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Speaker 1: goes into that too. You could literally label that anything.
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Speaker 1: There is an actual medical use for that. But you
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Speaker 1: know it is American pharmaceutical companies that drove an oo
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Speaker 1: opioid crisis where they got legally got their own citizens
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Speaker 1: addicted to painkillers and all of these things, Like the
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Speaker 1: crisis comes from within, and now they're trying to not
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Speaker 1: only scape going it on China, but asking China to
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Speaker 1: solve their own domestic issue, which is their responsibility.
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Speaker 2: And Sackler family, you know that the family that was
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Speaker 2: responsible for promoting the OPA crisis in the United States,
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Speaker 2: they got they got off with a slap on the wrist.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's like again, nobody who's really hold responsible.
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Speaker 2: And and the speaker Steven Yates, you know, I have
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Speaker 2: to give you his credential here. He served as a
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Speaker 2: deputy National Security Advisor to Dick Cheney from two to
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Speaker 2: two thousand one and two thousand and five during the
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Speaker 2: Iraq War. And he was a last he was the
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Speaker 2: last president of the Radio Free Asia, So you know,
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Speaker 2: it's important to understand people's background. And now he works
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Speaker 2: at the you know, Heritage Foundation, which is another neal
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Speaker 2: come think tank. You know that that's all they do.
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Speaker 2: They just produce this kind of copying all day, and
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Speaker 2: they say China bad and and shift distract from what
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Speaker 2: US is doing to China against You mentioned the China.
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Speaker 2: China is one of the largest producers of pharmaceutical ingredient
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Speaker 2: in the world. You know, eighty percent of the antibiotics
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Speaker 2: in the United States, sorcerer sorcer is sourced from China.
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Speaker 2: And and so this is why they make chemical precursors, UH,
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Speaker 2: that is a legitimate pharmaceutical ingredient, except those are being
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Speaker 2: imported by American and Mexican gangs into North America and
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Speaker 2: synthaitized into ventanel in North America. And and and again
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Speaker 2: this is UH. China actually had a agreement with law
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Speaker 2: agreement with US law enforcement where Chinese law inforcement will
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Speaker 2: trace the shipments of vent precursors that leaves their factory
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Speaker 2: to make sure they don't end up in the wrong hands. Now,
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Speaker 2: because Trumps admininistration's first term against all these sangs against China,
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Speaker 2: claiming China is putting police stations secret police stations in
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Speaker 2: US soil China called after law enforcement cooperation with the
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Speaker 2: United States. Now that was reinstated. Actually, UH was supposed
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Speaker 2: to have restated after HIJP met with UH with A
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Speaker 2: Biden in San Francisco. So I have to look at
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Speaker 2: what's the current status. So so China is agreed right
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Speaker 2: now to work with the US law enforcement to restart
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Speaker 2: this tracement program. They will trace where thosetional precursors, chemicals
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Speaker 2: will what will be said. So so it's not absolutely
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Speaker 2: not true that China is not doing something to you know,
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Speaker 2: in coordination with the United States. This is again, this
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Speaker 2: is shifting the blame. It's like the root cause of
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Speaker 2: the opiate crisis in the United States. It's the decline
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Speaker 2: of the US society that is what's driven people to seek,
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Speaker 2: you know, escape through the opioids. I mean, but they
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Speaker 2: will never address those problems.
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Speaker 1: That's amazing. I didn't realize they had a physical presence
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Speaker 1: trying to help them track this issue and see when
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Speaker 1: for example, a particular shipment was destined for a hospital
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Speaker 1: but then it got you know, taken over by the
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Speaker 1: mafia and and sent to these groups. And so the
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Speaker 1: the US was expecting and asked them to be their dea,
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Speaker 1: and once they tried to help out, all of a
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Speaker 1: sudden they used it as a Oh my gosh, they're
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Speaker 1: doing you know, legal uh, you know, police adjacent work
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Speaker 1: in our country, just like they asked us to. But
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Speaker 1: they needed they needed a villain that they're even they're
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Speaker 1: willing to shoot themselves there themselves in their own foot
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Speaker 1: when they were, like you said, willing and ready and
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Speaker 1: actually beginning to to help.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: You highlighted one of the responses to that. I guess
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Speaker 1: you liked this as a ship poster. I guess you
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Speaker 1: would really enjoy this one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's the I. I for the record, I
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Speaker 2: actually don't know that Chinese saying. But according to this guy,
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Speaker 2: he said, there's a guy. Uh sorry, can you raise
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Speaker 2: that up a little bit because I can't. I can't,
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Speaker 2: but I can't. Oh, actually maybe I can. Maybe I
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Speaker 2: can do it like this, well this let me see
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Speaker 2: this chain.
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Speaker 1: I can see it now.
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Speaker 2: There's a Chinese saying a man with a crooked penis
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Speaker 2: peeing outside the toilet ball and then blames the toilet
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Speaker 2: for pani in s talk cooking. That's essentially the story
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Speaker 2: of Fentanel. I actually personally do not know that idiom.
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Speaker 2: If people know the original Chinese phrase for that, please
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Speaker 2: let me know In the comments, because I like to
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Speaker 2: know for my own education.
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Speaker 1: I'm checking the comments as we're going along. Here. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the let's see here one second, all right, next one
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Speaker 1: Chinese mafia.
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Speaker 2: Here we go.
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Speaker 1: Okay, this is your one. Also take it away, all right.
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Speaker 2: She's last frontier. China's plan to transform its West again.
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Speaker 2: This is an article from Financial Times. I noticed ever
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Speaker 2: since Financial Times are taken over by Japanese ownership, they
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Speaker 2: think they start to pump more and more anti China articles.
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Speaker 2: So anyway, so they're talking about Hi Jimpin's plan for
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Speaker 2: a new year long investment push or its western regions.
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Speaker 2: They're talking about Shinjiong and Tibet in particular. We'll transform
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Speaker 2: our area that covers close to one third of China's landmarks,
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Speaker 2: an area that roughly ten times the size of the
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Speaker 2: UK and comparable to much of the western Europe. So
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Speaker 2: this person actually has some details of what that article
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Speaker 2: is saying. I can't really read it from here, but
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Speaker 2: I can pull it. Maybe I can pull it from
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Speaker 2: my Let me see if I can find it on
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Speaker 2: my bookmark. The words are words are really small.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, let's see here. This is really interesting because
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Speaker 1: there's always been this narrative how they're trying to isolate
22:19
Speaker 1: shinjan and they're putting so much investment in there. They're
22:23
Speaker 1: connecting it to the rest of the world also, which
22:27
Speaker 1: is a natural reaction. Also for the US trying to
22:31
Speaker 1: cut China off through different means, it makes sense to
22:35
Speaker 1: develop that region also. So this whole thing, Yeah, I
22:39
Speaker 1: got it.
22:39
Speaker 2: So these are some of the highlights the article. So
22:44
Speaker 2: taken together, analysts say the plan for a new year
22:47
Speaker 2: long investment pushed by Beijing. He's said to transform our
22:50
Speaker 2: area that covers close to one third of China's land
22:53
Speaker 2: masks blah, blah blah. The policy is a challenge to
22:56
Speaker 2: the US led sanction regime imposed to punish China after
23:01
Speaker 2: it detained an estimated million Oigers and other Again, this
23:06
Speaker 2: is an allegation which is not true. In the mid
23:10
Speaker 2: to late twenty tens, the UN top human rights officials
23:15
Speaker 2: said the crackdown could amount to crime against humanity. The
23:19
Speaker 2: Chinese government has long defended its action in Shinjaan's targeted
23:23
Speaker 2: measure to combat terrorism extremism. Officials also deny state campaign
23:28
Speaker 2: of re education and forced labor. The policy is poised
23:31
Speaker 2: to emit Shinjia and Tibet not only deeper into Chinese
23:35
Speaker 2: economy and mainstream culture, but also into the global supply chain.
23:39
Speaker 2: It could also help the People's Liberation Army boaster China
23:43
Speaker 2: security along its border with India, Russia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and
23:47
Speaker 2: parts of Central Asia. If China is successful in integrating
23:51
Speaker 2: the region and their people into China's mainstream economy and population,
23:57
Speaker 2: that could, over time make it more difficult for Western
24:00
Speaker 2: government to use sanction or boycotts as an effective response
24:05
Speaker 2: to repression. I mean, this is just what what they're
24:10
Speaker 2: really saying. They don't care about the depression or that.
24:12
Speaker 2: What they're really saying is it will make it any
24:15
Speaker 2: harder for for United States to sanction China. That's what
24:19
Speaker 2: they're really saying. And the guy who quote tweeted, he's
24:23
Speaker 2: saying the media as an institution is deeply feminine. It
24:27
Speaker 2: impacts clutches pearl, but it doesn't commit to the normative
24:30
Speaker 2: position that Shinjung is to be China's Afghanistan, pre modern
24:34
Speaker 2: and ungovernable, or be separate or just how dare they
24:38
Speaker 2: counter our attempt to deny Oiger employment? I mean, like
24:43
Speaker 2: that's what the Western sanction is designed to do, is
24:46
Speaker 2: designed to deny employment to to the Ogre people and
24:53
Speaker 2: to make them unemployable. And and this this is uh
24:57
Speaker 2: what the article is saying. The China's effort to integrated,
25:00
Speaker 2: it's going to make these Western sanction increasingly ineffective. So
25:06
Speaker 2: that's the real complaint, is like the US will lose
25:09
Speaker 2: a weapon to pressurize China.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know you can see that. I
25:14
Speaker 1: know we've mentioned this before in previous shows, but one
25:17
Speaker 1: of the most effective ways of reducing extremism that was
25:23
Speaker 1: creeping into Shinjong before was to increase economic opportunities, according
25:27
Speaker 1: to World Bank studies. According to many studies, the biggest
25:29
Speaker 1: driver of extremism is a lack of opportunities. They brought
25:33
Speaker 1: opportunities to Shinjong and it reduced extremism. Of course, with
25:38
Speaker 1: other measures as well. Now, when the US removed ETIM
25:43
Speaker 1: from the official terrorist list, basically the Weiger separatist group,
25:48
Speaker 1: you knew what they were setting up. You know, you
25:50
Speaker 1: knew what they were lining up. And by looking for
25:54
Speaker 1: any factory that hires any Wiger, and just an image
25:57
Speaker 1: of a Wiger in a factory being enough to sank
26:00
Speaker 1: them has scared many companies away from hiring wikers. It's
26:04
Speaker 1: just not worth the risk. But that's the whole that's
26:06
Speaker 1: the whole idea, that's the whole goal is to try
26:09
Speaker 1: to impoverish them. And there's other Those are other outlets
26:13
Speaker 1: that have talked about sanctions on different places in the
26:17
Speaker 1: world where they are designed to to ferment dissent amongst
26:24
Speaker 1: your populations so that they rise up against their government.
26:28
Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani even said it directly with Iran. When Iran
26:33
Speaker 1: was under brutal sanctions, he was actually celebrating the fact
26:37
Speaker 1: that there were people in Iran selling their organs for
26:41
Speaker 1: like one hundred US dollars. This is probably a fortune
26:43
Speaker 1: to them, he says. The sanctions are working, they're doing
26:46
Speaker 1: what they're doing what we want, Like he was literally
26:48
Speaker 1: celebrating that ordinary Iranians had to sell their organs to
26:51
Speaker 1: make ends meet. So that you're absolutely right, that is
26:56
Speaker 1: the whole goal.
26:56
Speaker 2: Yes, Scott Besson also boasted up and the specific deal
27:03
Speaker 2: that complain about in the article. In the FT article
27:06
Speaker 2: is that in March, the Shinjong government and State Control
27:08
Speaker 2: Shinjong Production Construction Court announced ninety two cooperation agreement with
27:14
Speaker 2: eighteen state owned enterprises in Beijing, spanning sector from energy
27:18
Speaker 2: critical mineral to computing, infrastructure and equipment manufacturing. The deal
27:23
Speaker 2: highlight that, along with tourism spanning, a big chunk of
27:27
Speaker 2: economic growth is coming from investment by state owned enterprises
27:30
Speaker 2: and companies from China's more affluent yeast, akin to a
27:34
Speaker 2: nation receiving foreign direct investment. Over recent months, Chinese state
27:39
Speaker 2: media reported robust medium turned growth figures for both Hinjong
27:42
Speaker 2: and Tibet average annual growth rate in twenty twenty five
27:47
Speaker 2: on a regional GDP basis, we're five point five percent
27:50
Speaker 2: for Shinjong and seven percent for Tibet, respectively, outperforming the
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Speaker 2: rest of the Chinese economy. This is bad. According to FT,
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Speaker 2: the Shinjung and Tibet is growing economically. This is somehow
28:06
Speaker 2: bad because it kind of taken a weapon out of
28:11
Speaker 2: the arsenal of the US sanction.
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Speaker 1: Regime against absolutely absolutely and that probably ties in really
28:18
Speaker 1: nicely with a comment that you liked online. Here we go.
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Speaker 2: The more intellectually limited. This original comment was Spanish and Spanish,
28:31
Speaker 2: but thanks to the author translation on the on the X,
28:36
Speaker 2: the more intellectually limited a person is a more idealizer
28:40
Speaker 2: view of the United States. I mean, how can you
28:44
Speaker 2: argue with that at this point.
28:46
Speaker 1: Six twenty six. Yeah, in twenty twenty six, before you
28:50
Speaker 1: could excuse it a little bit more, there were even
28:52
Speaker 1: more Chinese, you know, ten years ago that would romanticize,
28:58
Speaker 1: you know, the West, and you know, part of it
29:01
Speaker 1: is just a natural human nature. The grass is always
29:03
Speaker 1: greener on the other side, or whatever the local Chinese
29:05
Speaker 1: phrases of that is, you know, nash Ambiji, sankal, you know,
29:09
Speaker 1: like that was, you know, and the US did a
29:12
Speaker 1: good job of creating an image that it was the
29:15
Speaker 1: land of the free, all this kind of stuff. But
29:18
Speaker 1: that that has fallen now and you have less people
29:20
Speaker 1: in China who are kind of looking at the US
29:26
Speaker 1: in that same kind of romanticized way. But yeah, that
29:31
Speaker 1: that comment is definitely true for this day and age.
29:35
Speaker 1: We have one from Kishore Mabu Bani that you brought
29:38
Speaker 1: up to which is a really good, really good video
29:43
Speaker 1: and makes it makes a brilliant, simple, easy to understand point,
29:48
Speaker 1: and we will listen to the video directly to see
29:52
Speaker 1: what he's saying about that.
29:53
Speaker 5: Here we go, So after China has gone through the
29:57
Speaker 5: bestty period ever under the Chinese Communist Party. The United
30:05
Speaker 5: States is telling the Chinese people, why don't you get
30:08
Speaker 5: rid of a Chinese Communist spot, And the Chinese was
30:12
Speaker 5: scratching the head and said, excuse me, you know.
30:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's so simply true. Look
30:20
Speaker 1: at how far and with corruption also, like the corruption
30:24
Speaker 1: level in China from when she started to now is
30:27
Speaker 1: a massive, massive difference. I will say that in the
30:32
Speaker 1: earlier stages, when turn liaments were changed, there were some
30:37
Speaker 1: people in China who were concerned. They were like, ah,
30:40
Speaker 1: this is not so good, like there were you know,
30:43
Speaker 1: But but you don't hear that as much now, not
30:45
Speaker 1: because they've been brainwashed, not because you know, the state
30:48
Speaker 1: media told them to think this way, but because they're
30:50
Speaker 1: seeing the actual progress on the ground. And a lot
30:55
Speaker 1: of people they ask me that question too, They say,
30:57
Speaker 1: you know, aren't you worried that he'll continue on forever?
31:01
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, first of all, I
31:02
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to continue on forever. But to
31:06
Speaker 1: be honest, I'm more concerned about what happens with the
31:10
Speaker 1: next guy. You know, the Chinese system is set up
31:13
Speaker 1: in a way where it has fairly good consistency in
31:17
Speaker 1: the vision and the way it moves. But what if
31:20
Speaker 1: the next guy is just you know, not as good
31:23
Speaker 1: or you know, feeds into a more nationalistic approach, you know,
31:30
Speaker 1: I think it was I'm not sure if it was
31:32
Speaker 1: Kashore or no, it might have been Eric Lee who
31:36
Speaker 1: was talking about if you had kind of you know,
31:40
Speaker 1: elections in China or it was something along the lines
31:43
Speaker 1: of this, you would have to create you know, parties
31:47
Speaker 1: or traditional elections, because they do have types of elections here,
31:50
Speaker 1: but if they had Western liberal style democracy, you would
31:52
Speaker 1: have to create parties that would almost need to capitalize
31:55
Speaker 1: on the differences between people, and all you would need
31:57
Speaker 1: is one party to say we are going to finally
32:01
Speaker 1: get revenge for what Japan did to us, and we're
32:04
Speaker 1: gonna do The Chinese people would be totally in on it.
32:06
Speaker 1: They'd be like, yes, yes, But luckily, you know, you
32:11
Speaker 1: have level headed government here who looks at not these
32:15
Speaker 1: kinds of you know, short term revenge tying into emotional
32:20
Speaker 1: short term emotional needs and actually makes decisions based on
32:24
Speaker 1: long term goals and everything like that. But I don't
32:26
Speaker 1: know if you want to add more on what what
32:28
Speaker 1: Kishore has said there.
32:30
Speaker 2: I mean, how can you argue with that? Okay, how
32:33
Speaker 2: can you argue with That's exactly what what's happening. That's
32:38
Speaker 2: why I like the Western narrative fun China increasingly no
32:42
Speaker 2: longer works in China because people look at you like,
32:45
Speaker 2: are you crazy? Are you crazy?
32:49
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, We'll blaster through the last few items here.
32:52
Speaker 1: I've got to I've got to do some stuff for
32:56
Speaker 1: my art, my art. We're driving our RV through Shinjang
32:58
Speaker 1: for two months, so I'm getting a little repair down.
33:00
Speaker 1: We got a water pump, We got to fix everything
33:02
Speaker 1: like that. But let's go. Obviously, since our last show,
33:05
Speaker 1: we had a lot of posts come up on the
33:07
Speaker 1: anniversary of the events in Tanneman Square. Here we go,
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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio. On June fourth, the world marks thirty seven
33:16
Speaker 1: years since the Chinese Communist Party ordered its troops to
33:19
Speaker 1: attack thousands of peaceful demonstrators and in and around Tanneman Square.
33:23
Speaker 1: Those who sacrifice to uphold their unalienable rights of free
33:27
Speaker 1: expression and peaceful assembly will be vindicated someday, Like this
33:30
Speaker 1: is what they still have to hang on to, something
33:32
Speaker 1: from thirty seven years ago and paint it in a
33:34
Speaker 1: way that didn't actually happen, like without you know, saying
33:39
Speaker 1: that it was completely peaceful, completely ignoring the fact there's
33:41
Speaker 1: tons of evidence showing that police officers, military personnel, they
33:47
Speaker 1: were torched, some of them were torched, they were killed
33:49
Speaker 1: by protesters. Even the photographer, as you pointed out last time,
33:54
Speaker 1: was beaten up and he talked about that by the rioters.
33:58
Speaker 2: Yes, he also witnessed the rioters. The mob lynch one
34:03
Speaker 2: of the pr A soldiers you talk about that in
34:05
Speaker 2: an interview, pulled him out of his vehicle. Yep, yeah, vehic,
34:10
Speaker 2: and he said that kind of pie didn't make it.
34:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean what does that say where you know,
34:15
Speaker 1: you have the US actively cracking down on you know,
34:20
Speaker 1: pro Palestinian protests, on freedom of speech, on campuses, all
34:24
Speaker 1: of this stuff that they're pretending to care about, you know,
34:27
Speaker 1: in a in a version of China from thirty seven
34:30
Speaker 1: years ago, like this is what they still have to
34:31
Speaker 1: hang on to because they don't really have any other
34:33
Speaker 1: recent examples. And how many people has the US killed
34:36
Speaker 1: since then? You know, Well, first of all, the police,
34:38
Speaker 1: the US police kill every single year, one thousand people
34:42
Speaker 1: every single year. American police kill and that's and then
34:45
Speaker 1: never mind talking about the millions of people that have
34:48
Speaker 1: died since even just nine to eleven in either US
34:51
Speaker 1: led wars or US proxy wars like and they're still
34:56
Speaker 1: hanging onto this.
34:59
Speaker 2: You know, they have go back thirty seven years. They
35:01
Speaker 2: have to go back thirty seven years to to to
35:04
Speaker 2: to fault China for some event. Yeah, you know.
35:08
Speaker 1: I mean the unfortunate thing about the way that China
35:10
Speaker 1: approaches this is they don't really talk about it. There's
35:12
Speaker 1: information available online if you search for specifically, there's documents
35:16
Speaker 1: online how many students were killed, how many police were killed.
35:20
Speaker 1: All this stuff you can find it on Chinese internet.
35:22
Speaker 1: But it's not something that they actively discuss. And because
35:26
Speaker 1: of that, the yeah, go ahead, Oh I.
35:29
Speaker 2: Did my part. People can go by to my YouTube
35:32
Speaker 2: channel and find a video where I just talked a
35:34
Speaker 2: few days ago about what happened. My from my perspective
35:38
Speaker 2: because I was thirteen year old back then living Unshoning
35:41
Speaker 2: University campus when the protests happened, I give it my
35:46
Speaker 2: take from my perspective of people who are interesting in
35:49
Speaker 2: that thing.
35:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that that's I mean, did you
35:53
Speaker 1: talk about what's your name, Chilie, you know how she was, Yes.
35:58
Speaker 2: Yes, I had the video. I just I found that
36:01
Speaker 2: video clip of her interview when she said she just
36:04
Speaker 2: too good to to die with the rest of those
36:07
Speaker 2: uh students. But but she wants she said, what we
36:12
Speaker 2: need is bloodshed. We like, yeah, they don't know, they
36:14
Speaker 2: don't know what's coming, but but we I have plans
36:17
Speaker 2: for them. I have My plan is to force the
36:20
Speaker 2: government to shed blood to so they can wake up.
36:24
Speaker 1: And then when she was asked if she was going
36:26
Speaker 1: to be there, she said, oh, no, no, no, I won't.
36:27
Speaker 1: I won't be there for that.
36:28
Speaker 6: You know.
36:29
Speaker 1: It's like, but you know, because China itself doesn't, you know,
36:36
Speaker 1: decides not to talk about it much. The West for
36:38
Speaker 1: a long time has dominated the narrative on that, to
36:41
Speaker 1: the point where you even had what's her name, Vicki
36:44
Speaker 1: Shu who went to work for Australian Strategic Policy Institute,
36:48
Speaker 1: a literal organization that's funded by the US State Department
36:51
Speaker 1: and weapons manufacturers of all places. After you had your
36:55
Speaker 1: so called epiphany about China and the evils of China,
36:59
Speaker 1: you decide to go to work for a military industrial
37:01
Speaker 1: complex funded think tank you know, like that that aside,
37:06
Speaker 1: She said one of her awaken moments of awakening was
37:09
Speaker 1: that when she went overseas, it's the first time ever
37:11
Speaker 1: she saw the video of tank Man, and she says,
37:14
Speaker 1: I can't believe this has been hidden to me for
37:16
Speaker 1: my entire life. But as a result of never hearing
37:19
Speaker 1: about what actually happened, she then decided to adopt wholesale
37:25
Speaker 1: the West's narrative on what happened during that event. So
37:29
Speaker 1: that's something that kind of, you know, China kind of
37:32
Speaker 1: you know, undermines themselves with it. I mean, it's hard
37:36
Speaker 1: to say what's right or wrong, but it's just something
37:37
Speaker 1: that decided not to talk about. But perhaps you know,
37:40
Speaker 1: you want to, you want to add something before I
37:41
Speaker 1: bring up the next one.
37:43
Speaker 2: I know, I agree. I think I think that's one
37:45
Speaker 2: of the things I think China could do is just
37:49
Speaker 2: lighting up on the citizenship a little bit, you know,
37:51
Speaker 2: like like China should be more confident in how its
37:55
Speaker 2: own people talk about things.
37:57
Speaker 1: I mean, like a lot of space.
38:00
Speaker 2: The very common talking points I see on Twitter, actually,
38:03
Speaker 2: Daniel is Chinese people say, oh, I come, you know,
38:07
Speaker 2: I climbed the ladder, I climb the gray Firewall. To
38:10
Speaker 2: come here, I thought I would be able to find
38:12
Speaker 2: some dirt, you know, Like then I realized, oh my god,
38:19
Speaker 2: what I see here actually makes me more patriotic than
38:22
Speaker 2: ever after I have seen I have served the Internet
38:27
Speaker 2: outside the Great Firewall. See all these people leving attack
38:31
Speaker 2: against China. That makes me a more patriotic citizen than
38:36
Speaker 2: my you know, Chinese government education could.
38:39
Speaker 1: Ever make me absolutely yeah, yeah, And then we were
38:43
Speaker 1: talking about this is also the Chinese government works tirelessly
38:48
Speaker 1: to erase the memory of June fourth, eighty nine from
38:50
Speaker 1: the Internet. The CCP censorship on Tanneman is not just
38:55
Speaker 1: about the past, it's about controlling the present. China remains
38:58
Speaker 1: the world's worst environment for Internet freedom. There's no evidence
39:03
Speaker 1: of them trying to erase this nationally and internationally, and
39:09
Speaker 1: one of the best examples of that is TikTok. Even
39:13
Speaker 1: before it was you know, bought out, the American operations
39:16
Speaker 1: was bought out. If you look, if you searched Tenement
39:19
Speaker 1: Square on there, there was all kinds of you know,
39:22
Speaker 1: Western narrative perspectives on Tannement Square. There are, of course
39:27
Speaker 1: people talking about the alternative, the the actual what actually
39:30
Speaker 1: happened but largely it was dominated by more of an
39:35
Speaker 1: anti China stance, which also shouldn't be happening if TikTok
39:40
Speaker 1: was indeed a Chinese government controlled app like they're saying,
39:44
Speaker 1: but yeah.
39:44
Speaker 2: No, the real reason that didn't like TikTok because it
39:48
Speaker 2: talks about Israeli crimes. You know a lot of young
39:51
Speaker 2: talking about crime. That's why they did like TikTok.
39:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:57
Speaker 2: And then there it is, yeah, there it is the
40:00
Speaker 2: same Freedom House index of Freedom that give China score
40:05
Speaker 2: nine out of one hundred, give Israel seventy three out
40:09
Speaker 2: of one hundred.
40:10
Speaker 1: That's you know, this is what said, yeah, yeah, like
40:15
Speaker 1: what you have to be an act cattle? Yeah yeah,
40:19
Speaker 1: I think China is less free than the West Bank.
40:22
Speaker 1: You know, even when the West Bank they put lower
40:25
Speaker 1: but still like, come on, you had so I'm going
40:29
Speaker 1: to rush through some of this, yo, So we had.
40:31
Speaker 1: This was a translate from Chinese. Last night, our program
40:34
Speaker 1: once again discussed June fourth and I feel that the
40:36
Speaker 1: overseas public opinion circle should have should have more such
40:40
Speaker 1: calm discussions. That is why the June fourth generation no
40:44
Speaker 1: longer possesses moral appeal. This absolutely cannot be explained by
40:48
Speaker 1: simply phrases like the CCP blocks information. Yeah, I mean it,
40:54
Speaker 1: after a certain period of time, people are going to
40:57
Speaker 1: find out the real facts, even that are backed up
40:59
Speaker 1: by Western media at the time. And you get like,
41:03
Speaker 1: it's like, don't we have anything new to talk about.
41:05
Speaker 1: We're continually talking about what happened decades and decades ago
41:09
Speaker 1: while we're doing all this stuff, Like eventually it's gonna
41:11
Speaker 1: lose its umph. But I don't know if you want
41:13
Speaker 1: to add to that.
41:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean exactly. For the Zoomers, this this has
41:17
Speaker 2: happened before they were even born, and for them, like
41:21
Speaker 2: what they see is what's currently happening, which is US
41:25
Speaker 2: and Israel are waging, you know, illegal aggression against yourang
41:31
Speaker 2: and there they're committing ethnic cleansing against Palestinians, and Israel
41:39
Speaker 2: is launching an illegal war of aggression against southern Lebanon.
41:43
Speaker 2: And this is what people seese every day, and you're
41:47
Speaker 2: gonna for them, like talking about something happened thirty seven
41:51
Speaker 2: years ago in China, it does not resonate. And this
41:54
Speaker 2: is why, like I notice even on Twitter, you know,
41:57
Speaker 2: the people who are talking about it nowadays are just
42:00
Speaker 2: mostly you know government of US government officials in the
42:04
Speaker 2: western bounded, most of the you know, most of the
42:10
Speaker 2: youngins don't really care about.
42:13
Speaker 1: That, right right. Let me see here, Okay, this is
42:23
Speaker 1: another one of oh this is I think you brought
42:27
Speaker 1: this one up right.
42:29
Speaker 2: Ah yeah, yeah, so so again this is uh, this
42:32
Speaker 2: is an old FT article, not like like a few
42:36
Speaker 2: weeks ago reporting about again they're they're kind of trying
42:41
Speaker 2: to bring back that we grew general side narrative back
42:44
Speaker 2: into the mainstream. I think, my my personal opinion is
42:48
Speaker 2: there is part of their distraction campaign what Israel is doing, right.
42:53
Speaker 2: But but again that's that's they're hammering the same talking
42:56
Speaker 2: points again and again about how oger is a price.
42:59
Speaker 2: But I my advice to people just travel to Shinjung.
43:02
Speaker 2: I've been there. I've been there last last year. You know,
43:05
Speaker 2: I see us. I talk to people from all walks
43:08
Speaker 2: of life in jin Jung. You know, they they speak
43:11
Speaker 2: their local language. You know, whether a thousand or children,
43:14
Speaker 2: they all speak.
43:15
Speaker 5: Uh.
43:16
Speaker 2: You know the fact that the claim that ninety percent
43:19
Speaker 2: of the kids were taking away from their parents send
43:22
Speaker 2: me into some kind of brainwashing boarding school, like what
43:24
Speaker 2: they did to Native Americans in Canada and US. That
43:28
Speaker 2: is bullshit, man. I saw the little kids go to
43:31
Speaker 2: school just like any other kids in the in the
43:34
Speaker 2: in the morning and then go back home in the
43:36
Speaker 2: in the evening. I saw that with my own eyes,
43:39
Speaker 2: and I interact them, you know, I hear them speaking
43:42
Speaker 2: wig where I ask some questions in Chinese. They don't
43:44
Speaker 2: seem oppressed to me.
43:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mentioned this on a previous show
43:48
Speaker 1: The Uh. I have a friend there who showed me
43:53
Speaker 1: all around the bizarre the Sunday Bazar in Cashgar and
43:57
Speaker 1: became longtime friends with him and his family. I sent
44:00
Speaker 1: him a skateboard when I got back to Chung Ching,
44:02
Speaker 1: and then I went and saw him a couple of
44:03
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Him and his family, him and his UH
44:07
Speaker 1: cousin and his uncle were there and they had to
44:11
Speaker 1: they had to translate for their uncle. They were translating
44:13
Speaker 1: wager between him and us.
44:16
Speaker 4: UH.
44:16
Speaker 1: It's a lot. I'm going my ninth time to Shinjang,
44:19
Speaker 1: this time self driving through Shinjang from one one end
44:22
Speaker 1: to another.
44:23
Speaker 2: Jealous, I'm jealous, I mean. And then the people are
44:28
Speaker 2: super friendly, like all I had to do is just
44:30
Speaker 2: learn a couple of phrases. I just go around and
44:32
Speaker 2: says Yashima says, and everybody just like their their face
44:36
Speaker 2: just changed and then they smile, and then they try
44:39
Speaker 2: to have a conversation with me. I mean like, yeah, man, yeah.
44:44
Speaker 1: Let's see here, Okay, I think you know what I'll
44:49
Speaker 1: mention to I know, I mentioned this on the show
44:51
Speaker 1: before they paused the Shinjang propaganda for a while because
44:55
Speaker 1: they I think, you know, when the US was supporting
44:59
Speaker 1: what Israel was doing to Muslims in Gaza, and the
45:02
Speaker 1: level of what was going on that you could actually
45:04
Speaker 1: see with your own eyes, it would seem really tacky
45:07
Speaker 1: to still try to pretend that you care about Muslims
45:09
Speaker 1: in China, that things are supposedly happening too that you
45:13
Speaker 1: need to rely on your imagination for and is also
45:16
Speaker 1: even if it were true, which it's not, but even
45:19
Speaker 1: if it were true, it's not being funded by the
45:20
Speaker 1: American taxpayer. So you saw a couple of instances where
45:24
Speaker 1: they were trying to revive it, but they did it
45:26
Speaker 1: a little bit too early, where people like, really, are
45:28
Speaker 1: you serious right now? You because all the people who
45:31
Speaker 1: are talking about Shinjang, for the most part, are people
45:34
Speaker 1: who support what Israel is doing to Muslims in Gaza,
45:37
Speaker 1: and so people were calling them out like crazy. Now
45:39
Speaker 1: that the Gaza issue, even though it's still ongoing, isn't
45:43
Speaker 1: in the forefront as much, you're going to see them
45:45
Speaker 1: try to creep this back in and try to revive it.
45:50
Speaker 1: That goes hand in hand with this next one. I
45:52
Speaker 1: believe that you also brought up Oh, this is a
45:56
Speaker 1: continuation of the previous one. You want to go ahead?
46:03
Speaker 1: Oh are you muted?
46:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we already covered this one.
46:09
Speaker 1: Let's forget, let's let's le's let's continue on. This is interesting.
46:13
Speaker 1: I know you brought this one up, but like, this
46:15
Speaker 1: is the same thing that is going on over and
46:17
Speaker 1: over again. They keep saying, oh, it's a ghost city,
46:19
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you come back a
46:20
Speaker 1: few years later, it's live. They said the same thing
46:22
Speaker 1: about uh Shenjen in the eighties, even for bigger examples,
46:26
Speaker 1: they said the same thing about pud. You know, like,
46:28
Speaker 1: what are they like how many times you have to
46:30
Speaker 1: get it wrong before you get embarrassed?
46:33
Speaker 2: Now they just try to reframe it. Now, you know,
46:35
Speaker 2: before they say it was a ghost city. Now he says, oh,
46:38
Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's a it's a becoming an
46:41
Speaker 2: elite enclave.
46:44
Speaker 1: Oh oh, this is a different angle. Okay, they've changed
46:46
Speaker 1: a little bit.
46:47
Speaker 2: So so so back in twenty twenty three, which wasn't
46:50
Speaker 2: that long ago, they said she's empty, dream city shows
46:53
Speaker 2: limit of his power, which says, oh, this is a
46:55
Speaker 2: ghost city. And now the latest Economist article says she's
47:00
Speaker 2: Jimpian's pet project. Chuan offers perch to growing number of residents,
47:04
Speaker 2: but it's becoming an elite On Clay, I was like, you.
47:10
Speaker 1: Know, I've always said I I always I didn't realize
47:14
Speaker 1: that that that was what it was referring to, but
47:17
Speaker 1: I always said that, oh, why don't they ever come
47:19
Speaker 1: back to these cities that they do these ghosts, you know,
47:21
Speaker 1: got city reports on when it's a thriving place. Five
47:24
Speaker 1: years later, I said, that would be really embarrassing for
47:26
Speaker 1: them to have to try to reconcile. But now this
47:28
Speaker 1: is how they're trying to reconcile it, saying okay, yes,
47:30
Speaker 1: well you know it's not a ghost city, but it's
47:32
Speaker 1: something even worse.
47:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's even more. It's a it's a home to
47:37
Speaker 2: government's most privileged workers. Hello, the whole point of Shungan
47:42
Speaker 2: was to shift all the government functions away from Beijing
47:45
Speaker 2: to Shungan. So of course are gonna be the government
47:48
Speaker 2: worker they're supposed to. That's that's what it was designed
47:52
Speaker 2: to be a place to hold all these government functions
47:56
Speaker 2: away from Beijing anyway.
47:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And then speaking of also trying to paint
48:02
Speaker 1: the wealth issues, and uh, it's a problem. This was
48:06
Speaker 1: one that I think you brought up, which is really
48:08
Speaker 1: important too. They're starting to crack down on extreme shows
48:12
Speaker 1: of wealth from influencers, kind of glorifying this life of
48:16
Speaker 1: excess and and things like that. Is this one that
48:18
Speaker 1: you you sent me?
48:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they would not they would not be promoting
48:24
Speaker 2: Kardashians in China, like like shows like Kardashians will get
48:32
Speaker 2: cracked out very quickly, just just like because government don't
48:35
Speaker 2: want that kind of thing, you know, your government, Chinese
48:37
Speaker 2: government do not want China's Kim Kardashians. They don't want
48:43
Speaker 2: the youth to have a bad example role models to
48:46
Speaker 2: look up to.
48:47
Speaker 1: Uh you know which, yeah, yeah, I mean you know,
48:51
Speaker 1: like this is like you know, I mean, Western conservatives
48:54
Speaker 1: they're constantly complaining about you know, moral decay and extreme
48:58
Speaker 1: wealth worship and the extreme kind of toxic, you know,
49:04
Speaker 1: influence of influencers. But then when China actually regulates these
49:08
Speaker 1: exact so called social harms, then the West can condemns
49:13
Speaker 1: it as this kind of draconian censorship. It's like they're
49:17
Speaker 1: constantly solving all of the issues that people in the
49:19
Speaker 1: West are are complaining about or that are concerned about,
49:23
Speaker 1: and then attacking China when they do that, When they
49:26
Speaker 1: actually do it, I think this was if oh, yeah, yeah,
49:31
Speaker 1: I like this. I did yeah yeah, I'm not sure
49:33
Speaker 1: if you shared this, but I love this too. China
49:35
Speaker 1: has won. I've decided to never again comment on Chinese
49:37
Speaker 1: propaganda posts to call them out or correct them. It
49:40
Speaker 1: doesn't work, and especially on Instagram, there's no way to
49:43
Speaker 1: turn off notifications for these countless replies of trolls and bots.
49:46
Speaker 1: China spends millions to spread pro China and anti China
49:51
Speaker 1: anti US propaganda through bots. Meanwhile, those who fall for
49:54
Speaker 1: it don't even realize that Instagram and x are both
49:57
Speaker 1: blocked in China. Normal Chinese citizens can't and don't use it.
50:01
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much to unpack there. It's like,
50:03
Speaker 1: no I mean, there's no evidence of China spending all
50:07
Speaker 1: of this money on this kind of a campaign. In fact,
50:10
Speaker 1: even there's a guy hot Pot King, Nathan Nathan Rich
50:16
Speaker 1: I think his name is, in China he was complaining
50:19
Speaker 1: about the censorship. He was complaining about in China was
50:23
Speaker 1: when he put videos that were overly critical of the
50:26
Speaker 1: US on Billy Billy, they would get censored saying it
50:28
Speaker 1: was inflammatory towards another country. Like so it's like the
50:31
Speaker 1: opposite of what is happening. But you know, the US
50:37
Speaker 1: is on record spending billions, not millions, billions of dollars
50:42
Speaker 1: on anti China propaganda. They literally approved all kinds of
50:46
Speaker 1: and then of course they have their regular you know,
50:48
Speaker 1: ned Radio Free Asia all this stuff, and they still
50:52
Speaker 1: can't compete against China, which is terrible at propaganda. They're
50:56
Speaker 1: terrible at telling their own story. So, no, you're losing
51:00
Speaker 1: because there's some sort of a sophisticated, highly funded campaign.
51:05
Speaker 1: You're losing because the narrative is not on your side.
51:08
Speaker 1: You continue on a bit, I've got somebody, uh calling
51:11
Speaker 1: me to fix my RV. You talk, you talk on
51:13
Speaker 1: this topic and interactable bit I'm gonna tell them, Yeah, sure.
51:17
Speaker 2: I mean that's just that, and the fact that he
51:20
Speaker 2: pretends that every X user or Instagram user must be
51:24
Speaker 2: a Chinese government approved bot or agent. I mean he
51:29
Speaker 2: obviously never heard of VPN, and a lot of Chinese
51:32
Speaker 2: people do use VPN. Now that the ironic thing is,
51:37
Speaker 2: you know a lot of Chinese users who you know,
51:41
Speaker 2: use VPN to access X. They actually didn't come here
51:45
Speaker 2: for political comment. I know for a fact many of
51:48
Speaker 2: them use it to access porn, which blocked the inside China.
51:52
Speaker 2: But yet those people would say, I came to X
51:56
Speaker 2: for poorn. Yet I'm getting so our ray why all
52:00
Speaker 2: this anti China common Now he has radicalized me, make
52:05
Speaker 2: me into a political ship poster, when my my original
52:10
Speaker 2: intention was to come to Extra browse for and so
52:15
Speaker 2: uh so, you know, people just don't understand like like
52:19
Speaker 2: these these people obviously have never interacted with real Chinese people,
52:24
Speaker 2: at least like the you know, average, real average Chinese
52:27
Speaker 2: people outside like maybe the echo chamber of all a
52:30
Speaker 2: few Chinese dissident who like you know, the toll Western
52:34
Speaker 2: Western lines and stuff like that, right.
52:37
Speaker 1: Right, right, all right, so yeah, the guy who's repairing
52:42
Speaker 1: the water pump on my RV is here. He's just
52:44
Speaker 1: gonna I told him where it is, He's just gonna
52:46
Speaker 1: do it. So I've got a few more minutes here
52:49
Speaker 1: Empty city wealth influenced China one. Oh, this is one
52:53
Speaker 1: that you brought up, John Waie. Beautiful video and we
52:57
Speaker 1: can just watch the video directly. It's a three minute video.
53:00
Speaker 1: And then after this we've got one more short thing
53:02
Speaker 1: and then we are we are done. So here we go.
53:04
Speaker 1: Let's start with the three minutes.
53:07
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Speaker 6: Neil shoot? We got here? Womanly and.
53:19
Speaker 2: Something gentle and since Jaco answer you leave? Would what
53:33
Speaker 2: do you do to the filter to the.
53:37
Speaker 6: There was a bush reach the curious woman Sarah way, yeah,
53:45
Speaker 6: toy details to the building that that's the unback, that's
53:52
Speaker 6: bar which is not gouty a that's you need that
53:59
Speaker 6: book and the value for woman has a younger olden.
54:04
Speaker 3: You sure she's on being called like recommend you go harty.
54:11
Speaker 7: Then she had loud on the little cur little thing,
54:14
Speaker 7: little sold little don't the little don't do ju show
54:18
Speaker 7: that like the next wolf leander.
54:21
Speaker 3: So the woman so that its beats on the downling
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Speaker 3: that that.
54:27
Speaker 8: She is a t.
54:33
Speaker 6: Your turn.
54:38
Speaker 2: The go she medal that she.
54:43
Speaker 8: Don't go loom and that's what good I so you're
54:51
Speaker 8: teas and thirty hundred.
54:54
Speaker 7: The higher things from God and has your change? Then
55:00
Speaker 7: the toll room Chaney that that the high should down
55:07
Speaker 7: the city then trigger those women to do the should
55:11
Speaker 7: you found that down the toes the fund that cudn't.
55:15
Speaker 2: You like on that?
55:15
Speaker 3: And you told.
55:20
Speaker 8: Evan does your conduct frinship is learning your works about
55:27
Speaker 8: that don't get so that's a bnd that quite so
55:30
Speaker 8: that heart doesn't fool doesn't make what it's that that's
55:37
Speaker 8: so the go tle you the etail, eating what you
55:48
Speaker 8: get yourself with your.
55:50
Speaker 7: Count do the show the hundreds, yet I show down
55:55
Speaker 7: a woman the world that should had the way meaningful.
56:00
Speaker 3: The mixing that.
56:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's uh, it's amazing that the transformation
56:20
Speaker 1: you have. You know, in the eighties, you you had
56:24
Speaker 1: the promise of high speed rail and all this stuff
56:26
Speaker 1: in California, and during that time there was no major
56:30
Speaker 1: even even just a highway network in China.
56:34
Speaker 2: And now I'll tell you a story. I'll tell you
56:37
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties because my dad already was already studying
56:41
Speaker 2: the United States, but we didn't have phone in our house.
56:44
Speaker 2: To make an international call. We have to travel to
56:46
Speaker 2: tuij In downtown city center to make a international call
56:50
Speaker 2: at the China Post office. And then so it takes
56:53
Speaker 2: a wholiday. My dad my mom has to take a
56:55
Speaker 2: day off work and to take me over there. And
56:58
Speaker 2: then when we go back, whole time to go back
57:00
Speaker 2: home is evening rush hour, And when the bus came,
57:04
Speaker 2: there was a crowd just rush the bus. There was
57:07
Speaker 2: no line, there was no line. The crowd just rushed
57:10
Speaker 2: the bus. And like those twenty year old young man
57:13
Speaker 2: there will crowd through the window. Me and my mom
57:16
Speaker 2: looking at it, and it's like, oh my god, there's
57:18
Speaker 2: no way we're gonna make it to the bus. So
57:20
Speaker 2: we have to walk several blocks to the next station.
57:25
Speaker 2: Right like that was nineteen eighties. I mean that the
57:28
Speaker 2: level of improvement is just unbelievable.
57:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely, And it goes back to the same
57:35
Speaker 1: thing because show up by he said too, like after
57:38
Speaker 1: all of this transformation, like you're asking on one hand
57:41
Speaker 1: to you know, overthrow the current leader or overthrow the
57:44
Speaker 1: government entirely, it's like what are you smoking? Like, what
57:47
Speaker 1: are you smoking? We have this one I didn't share
57:52
Speaker 1: in the group, but it's quite interesting to finish off
57:56
Speaker 1: on this one. I'll play the video here. Take a
57:58
Speaker 1: look at this.
58:03
Speaker 9: Text will always became.
58:05
Speaker 10: Most recently, US Forces career commander General Zevia Bronson made
58:13
Speaker 10: a structing mark in a public interview stating that South
58:17
Speaker 10: Korea is quote unquote a dagger in the heart of
58:20
Speaker 10: Asia aimed at China. This comment stands in a stark
58:25
Speaker 10: contradiction to the spirit of a constructive China US relationship
58:29
Speaker 10: of strategic stability, which our to president agreed to be
58:33
Speaker 10: during President Trump's most recent visits to China, which you
58:37
Speaker 10: also just referred to in your speech. President Trump in
58:40
Speaker 10: particular has also repeatedly emphasized his desire to forge the
58:45
Speaker 10: best possible relationship with China. My question is simple, does
58:50
Speaker 10: General Bronson's statement represent the official position of the Trump
58:54
Speaker 10: and Institution and it is characterization of South Korea's role
58:59
Speaker 10: as the dagger at China aus riised or endorsed by
59:04
Speaker 10: the Panaga.
59:05
Speaker 1: Thank you.
59:06
Speaker 9: What I said was trying to describe the operating environment,
59:10
Speaker 9: because what's incredibly important in being strong and quiet is
59:15
Speaker 9: about being able to describe the environment wherein we're working.
59:19
Speaker 9: If you remember the Prussian philosopher military philosopher Clemens talked
59:23
Speaker 9: about Korea being a dagger pointed at Japan. The difference
59:28
Speaker 9: is is we have to change our perspective, which is
59:30
Speaker 9: why the East up map is important. By changing our perspective,
59:34
Speaker 9: we take into account how others might see us in
59:37
Speaker 9: the region. We've got to be strong, we've got to
59:40
Speaker 9: have the right capabilities within the Republic of Korea, but
59:43
Speaker 9: we have to understand that those things still exist and
59:46
Speaker 9: you have to combat those things every day. What I
59:49
Speaker 9: was trying to do in a place of learning was
59:52
Speaker 9: talk to war college students about how we have to
59:55
Speaker 9: change our perspective and think about where we are. Then
59:58
Speaker 9: I can advise not only my service sec Service secretary,
1:00:02
Speaker 9: but then my secretary, my boss in the Department of
1:00:05
Speaker 9: War on what things we might do. The only way
1:00:08
Speaker 9: there will be philosophers in the future wearing uniforms like
1:00:11
Speaker 9: myself will be that we enter into the field of
1:00:15
Speaker 9: ideas and we challenge ideas. And I'm okay with the
1:00:18
Speaker 9: challenge the ideas, but we have to remember that context
1:00:21
Speaker 9: will always be king, and we have to take remarks
1:00:24
Speaker 9: contextually and I would encourage that you listen to the
1:00:27
Speaker 9: entire podcast as well as the speech that I gave
1:00:30
Speaker 9: to the War College students, which was pretty good.
1:00:35
Speaker 1: Like, the US has this remarkable ability to speak with
1:00:42
Speaker 1: such a level of confidence that sometimes you know, you
1:00:45
Speaker 1: have yourself asking yourself, am I the stupid one? But
1:00:48
Speaker 1: wait no, then it's like you didn't actually answer the question,
1:00:51
Speaker 1: and you said, just listen to the entire podcast. No,
1:00:53
Speaker 1: how about you just ask answer the two questions that
1:00:56
Speaker 1: has been presented to you. He's not willing to listen
1:00:59
Speaker 1: to it. And that's why I think is a deep
1:01:00
Speaker 1: understanding that you know, they can build relations with the US,
1:01:04
Speaker 1: they can try to improve, you know, the friendship between
1:01:07
Speaker 1: the two sides. But you always have to be careful
1:01:09
Speaker 1: here because at the end of the day, you never
1:01:11
Speaker 1: know where they're gonna when they're gonna flip on you.
1:01:12
Speaker 1: You know that if they still have a way to
1:01:14
Speaker 1: crush you, they will. I don't know if what your
1:01:17
Speaker 1: reaction is to seeing that answer to those questions.
1:01:20
Speaker 2: I mean, he say it's important to understand context. I
1:01:23
Speaker 2: mean it's not that it's pretty easy to understand the
1:01:27
Speaker 2: context because from the perspective of US military. They all.
1:01:31
Speaker 2: This is how they always talk. Because General Douglas maccoth
1:01:36
Speaker 2: when he was stationed in Japan, he had said during
1:01:38
Speaker 2: the Korean War, he had said Taiwan was unthinkable aircraft
1:01:43
Speaker 2: carrier off the coast of China. So from the perspective
1:01:46
Speaker 2: of US military, every piece of land adjacent to China,
1:01:51
Speaker 2: to mainland China is unsinkable.
1:01:54
Speaker 11: Aircraft carrier or dag. You're pointing at alarm of China.
1:01:58
Speaker 11: This is how you know, you know, you have a nail,
1:02:02
Speaker 11: you have a hammer. Everything is a nail for US military.
1:02:05
Speaker 11: This is how they always view the relationship with China.
1:02:09
Speaker 11: That China needs is a.
1:02:10
Speaker 2: Problem that needs to be solved, that needs to be contained, yeah, you.
1:02:15
Speaker 1: Know, And this is you know, they're always asking, oh,
1:02:17
Speaker 1: why is China spending so much on defense? Why are
1:02:19
Speaker 1: they're building up their defensive capabilities, And the answer is, well,
1:02:22
Speaker 1: we have these risks that are surrounding us. And they say, oh, no,
1:02:26
Speaker 1: you're crazy, that doesn't make any sense, of course not.
1:02:28
Speaker 1: But then the actual they're actually saying these things out loud,
1:02:31
Speaker 1: they're actually confirming all of China's concerns when they're you know,
1:02:36
Speaker 1: revealing on a on a podcast. I love this episode.
1:02:39
Speaker 1: There's this one, there's this one thing. Uh, there's these
1:02:43
Speaker 1: uh two. There's a guy being interrogated by the police
1:02:46
Speaker 1: in this room in the US and he says, oh,
1:02:50
Speaker 1: you tell us what happened?
1:02:51
Speaker 2: Why did you do this?
1:02:52
Speaker 1: And stuff like that. He's like, I'm not saying anything.
1:02:54
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, they bring in like
1:02:56
Speaker 1: two microphones and some lighting and some cameras and they
1:02:58
Speaker 1: pretend it's a podcast, and then and all of a sudden,
1:03:00
Speaker 1: the criminal opens up. He sais, oh, so you know
1:03:02
Speaker 1: I was You know, that's essentially what's happening. You get
1:03:05
Speaker 1: these US government guys on a podcast and then they'll
1:03:10
Speaker 1: admit everything out loud. Yeah, no, it's not what's happening.
1:03:18
Speaker 1: We don't have any more content, so we're gonna wrap
1:03:22
Speaker 1: it up here. I don't know there's anything else you
1:03:23
Speaker 1: want to finish on, or we just we.
1:03:25
Speaker 2: Already got going on more than two hours.
1:03:27
Speaker 1: So I think, oh, yeah, we're good, we're good. We're good.
1:03:30
Speaker 1: All right. So once again, I'm not one hundred percent
1:03:31
Speaker 1: sure we could do one next week, but for sure
1:03:33
Speaker 1: two weeks I'm taking my equipment with me on the road.
1:03:36
Speaker 1: I'll do some We'll do these episodes from I'll be
1:03:39
Speaker 1: going through Inner Mongolia through Shinjang. Maybe I'll sign it
1:03:42
Speaker 1: up outside of my RV and you can see a
1:03:44
Speaker 1: little bit of the background, or maybe I'll even like
1:03:46
Speaker 1: get some clips ready of our trip that I can
1:03:48
Speaker 1: share in our live stream. Also, you know, on the
1:03:51
Speaker 1: road or anything interesting I've seen, we can introduce it
1:03:53
Speaker 1: to the show, make it a little bit more fun.
1:03:56
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, thanks everybody for joining, Thank you Carl
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Speaker 1: once again, and we will see you all next time. Peace,
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Speaker 1: bye bye.