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Argoment 09.10.2026 Protestis dai students in France · Argoment

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Speaker 1: L'argomento di Vue. Parcure. Le redazioni giornalistiche.
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Speaker 2: Un saluto a tutte le persone che ci ascoltano da
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Speaker 2: Margarita Cogoi. In questa puntata dell'argomento ho il plesè di
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Speaker 2: vi ospite Emma Cantarutti che intanto saluti. Buongiorno Emma.
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Speaker 3: Buongiorno Margarita.
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Speaker 2: Ecco, Emma sta in questo momento a Parìs e vuole
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Speaker 2: inclamarci per ciò che ci racconti un po' ciò che
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Speaker 2: hai vissuto, ciò che hai vissuto, ciò che hai vissuto
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Speaker 2: rispetto alle proteste dei studenti che facciano Yes, I am
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Speaker 2: in Saint-Denis, which is a municipality that has been part of.
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Speaker 3: From the walls of Paris' banlieues, so they are part
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Speaker 3: of the metropolis of Paris, but in a separate municipality,
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Speaker 3: where their union is located, which has been present for
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Speaker 3: a long time, among other things, in these protests, as
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Speaker 3: I know, from the sites of the days that are
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Speaker 3: coming from Italy. And this year, in the banlieues, for
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Speaker 3: a long time, we also feel that 40% of the
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Speaker 3: population has lived under poverty, and in terms of population,
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Speaker 3: it's almost like Ubin, that is, 100,000 inhabitants in Yamancol.
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Speaker 3: And the protests in the south of Chita, in the
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Speaker 3: Paul-Éloard high school, which is not even that far from Tiazemè,
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Speaker 3: it's a kilometer and a half from Tiazemè, in Yamancol,
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Speaker 3: speak of the conditions in which students are forced to study.
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Speaker 3: In fact, there are students with a lack of teachers,
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Speaker 3: oris butis infinitis, farviae di mancanti di supplens, e l'Europia
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Speaker 3: si è rapidamente rislarziata, però ha dutricitate subito dopo a
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Speaker 3: tutti i paesi. Inchistis manifestatio che i studenti acclammin atti,
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Speaker 3: quindi atto primo, atto secondo, atto terzo, marcar l'atto terzo,
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Speaker 3: manifestazione alle quale è stata has claimed to participate, from
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Speaker 3: the CGT and the Confederation Générale du Travail, which is
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Speaker 3: the equivalent of the CGL, also the workers. So there
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Speaker 3: has been a great participation from judges, universities, lecturers, trade unions,
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Speaker 3: In this country there are about 100 million people who
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Speaker 3: come to Paris. My colleagues told me that they used
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Speaker 3: to go to the events from the beginning of August
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Speaker 3: to December. The atmosphere was very joyful. I came later.
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Speaker 3: I came first to the end of August. and it
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Speaker 3: was an extremely violent repression by the police, which was there, evidently,
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Speaker 3: with the aim of creating chaos, I don't know, there
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Speaker 3: was no interest in maintaining public order. She intervened in
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Speaker 3: this square, without the possibility of breaking any rules, on
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Speaker 3: the other hand, they said, she was on the right,
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Speaker 3: and after you said that on the right she had stopped,
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Speaker 3: you said, no, now she will leave. As if he
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Speaker 3: was going in the opposite direction from the police. It
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Speaker 3: was a constant like this, it was really the will
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Speaker 3: to create discomfort and flavor. And about the demonstrations, I
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Speaker 3: don't know if it was repeated yesterday or at another
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Speaker 3: demonstration that took place in Basti, if you want to participate,
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Speaker 3: at the Piazza della Bastiglia, and there was also violence
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Speaker 3: in the streets, because as usual, The French police approached
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Speaker 3: them in a rather harsh way, but they didn't get
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Speaker 3: away with it. In the Middle Ages, there were only
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Speaker 3: six signs. Among other things, you mentioned the Quaesture. You
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Speaker 3: mentioned that there were 260,000 people in the whole country and.
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Speaker 2: 56,000 in Paris. So we were half of the numbers
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Speaker 2: that the students were proposing, but this is a classic.
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Speaker 2: And we were also affected by the fact that there
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Speaker 2: are 141 schools in all of the country. And despite
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Speaker 2: the protests of martyrs, we were also affected by the
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Speaker 2: police repression. And among other things, Amnesty International, a few
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Speaker 2: days before, had already given a comment, had made an
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Speaker 2: analysis on one of the previous cases, and had revealed
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Speaker 2: a disproportionality of the answers. This is something that the
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Speaker 2: French government has said the opposite of. It has said
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Speaker 2: that the police's answers have been proportionate. What do you think?
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Speaker 2: Do you think it's a proportion? And do you see
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Speaker 2: yourself as the person in the picture?
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Speaker 3: No, I don't see myself as the person in the
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Speaker 3: picture at all. So yesterday, for example, I went to
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Speaker 3: the first bus stops in Bastille and the participation was
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Speaker 3: so great that I already felt like I was in
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Speaker 3: the bus stops, because the plaza was full. Like a
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Speaker 3: guard who arrives and attacks in a very calm and
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Speaker 3: quiet way. He attacks the cremogenes in the middle of
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Speaker 3: the crowd, because of course they are the ones who
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Speaker 3: are coming. He fantasizes about the party and the police
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Speaker 3: that are already there. But who are they? They are
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Speaker 3: robbing the office, they are robbing Cession in Space. But
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Speaker 3: in short, you can count a bulletin of war in
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Speaker 3: two weeks There was a fantastic attempt of strangulation, a
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Speaker 3: fantastic one that started out of a preventive term in
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Speaker 3: Barella with an epileptic crisis, a fantastic one in which
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Speaker 3: Sainz failed because he had a rubber project directly in
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Speaker 3: his mouth, two fantastic ones that lost their flight, and
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Speaker 3: the one that was discussed here, a fantastic one in
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Speaker 3: which Sainz lost his hands.
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Speaker 4: And started from the forearm.
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Speaker 3: Because of these thundering grenades, as they are called in Italian,
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Speaker 3: that are coming from France. It is the only country
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Speaker 3: that is coming from France, which is partly because of
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Speaker 3: these grenades, which detonated a very loud noise, which caused
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Speaker 3: the dissuasion of the INC, which caused the dissuasion of
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Speaker 3: the army, that the French government has made available, and that,
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Speaker 3: as you can see, it has been suspended after the incident,
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Speaker 3: even if in the second chapter it has been suspended
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Speaker 3: in a certain way, it has been suspended in a
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Speaker 3: certain type of way, not just for the use of things,
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Speaker 3: but still the Minister of the Interior, Nunez, There was
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Speaker 3: no provision of protection against these weapons of dissolution. This is,
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Speaker 3: I repeat, the fruit, practically, because there is the data
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Speaker 3: and this is the design, immediately. This increase in violence
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Speaker 3: against the police, among other things, could also have led
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Speaker 3: in the perspective of this law that has already passed
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Speaker 3: from the National Assembly, which has now been discussed in
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Speaker 3: the Senate, which has claimed its right to kill, and
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Speaker 3: which has already been presented in the manifesto in September,
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Speaker 3: which is a law that provides the presumption of legitimate
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Speaker 3: defense of the Police Agency in case of the use
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Speaker 3: of the weapon. If a policeman takes a weapon and
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Speaker 3: if he wants to kill or even kill someone, he
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Speaker 3: will automatically apply the presumption of legitimate defense, plus the
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Speaker 3: request to remove the weapon. denigrant for the profession. So, yes,
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Speaker 3: it's a rather specific and worrying picture, as long as
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Speaker 3: it's not so far from the DDL security that has
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Speaker 3: passed again. This demonstration started with the students, then it
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Speaker 3: became a big one, right? But you said that there
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Speaker 3: are many young.
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Speaker 2: Students, and there are only two students who come from
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Speaker 2: a migratory background, who are migrants of the first or
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Speaker 2: second generation, or... So... You said you had two children.
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Speaker 1: A little bit.
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Speaker 3: So, yes. Yesterday, absolutely, it was very hard. So much
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Speaker 3: so that yesterday I went to shop, for example, also... Well,
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Speaker 3: I didn't go to shop, but I also went to university, precisely.
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Speaker 3: And yesterday I also went to shop at an SS,
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Speaker 3: which is traditionally a right-wing university, rather traditional. And if
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Speaker 3: you look at the photos, they are exactly there, for example,
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Speaker 3: of students, of second-generation migrants, on a post. But, yes,
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Speaker 3: there is a majority of fruits that go to the
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Speaker 3: Tours with a migration passport. After that, in France there
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Speaker 3: are so many that it is not so shocking. But
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Speaker 3: I certainly do not doubt the fact that the fact
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Speaker 3: of being able to with the fruits of not so
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Speaker 3: many African descendants, but of Arab descendants, because in France
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Speaker 3: there are huge Islamophobies and racism against the Arabs. Alveli
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Speaker 3: is incited to use violence, even though his father says
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Speaker 3: that he is already used to it.
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Speaker 2: You said that, in respect to the primary motivations of
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Speaker 2: these protests, which were to make the courts and to
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Speaker 2: simplify the state, the condition of the schools, and also
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Speaker 2: the famous Parcoursup, these platforms that allow access to higher education,
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Speaker 2: which according to the students does not work well, But
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Speaker 2: I wanted to say that, beyond these things, there are
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Speaker 2: perhaps deeper things that have happened to me, and that
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Speaker 2: in general, in France, it is difficult for a person born,
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Speaker 2: for example, in Saint-Denis or in Thuné-Banlieu, to have a
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Speaker 2: life that the fourth, you know, in Paris, centers. Social
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Speaker 2: mobility is not a thing that works that much. And
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Speaker 2: to tell you the truth, this thing has made me
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Speaker 2: think a lot about Italy, our French cousins, but beyond
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Speaker 2: the relatives. For sure, the fact that social mobility doesn't
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Speaker 2: work so well and that a poor person has to
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Speaker 2: stay poor to get money, and a sure person, instead
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Speaker 2: of staying sure, This is something that sounds so familiar
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Speaker 2: to me. And in your opinion, just based on your experience,
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Speaker 2: because I don't want to call you a sociologist or
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Speaker 2: an expert, but based on your experience, it's very clear
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Speaker 2: to me that everything that is manifested and motivated in
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Speaker 2: France is based on your experience in Italy. In your opinion,
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Speaker 2: in Italy, is the situation more or less the same,
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Speaker 2: and where you don't have to protest, or is it different?
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Speaker 3: So... I think that if you look at the differences,
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Speaker 3: not so much on the science of the school building,
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Speaker 3: which is such a joke in Italy, I don't know
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Speaker 3: if it's a joke to those who are following the talks.
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Speaker 2: Maybe like with the.
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Speaker 3: PNRR, come on. Yes. But then, surely it is present
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Speaker 3: in the things that I have noticed in France, but
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Speaker 3: still in Italy it is not so much that it
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Speaker 3: is present. at the level of social immobility. I mean,
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Speaker 3: surely in Italy, too, there is a lot of social immobility.
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Speaker 3: But in France, this thing happens a lot because of
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Speaker 3: schools and education. Because there are public schools.
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Speaker 4: Okay, but you have to go to public schools in
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Speaker 4: your neighborhood.
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Speaker 3: You have to choose a public school anywhere. And then
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Speaker 3: there are a series of high schools in which you
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Speaker 3: can enter to do concourses. So already the students come
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Speaker 3: to concourses, where to go to high school. So, a
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Speaker 3: thing that, in my mind, I don't want to repeat myself,
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Speaker 3: which is a system to go to university, but which
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Speaker 3: is already used in high school, is a system that
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Speaker 3: creates anxiety, that creates stress, and that creates a competition
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Speaker 3: of art to have, essentially, a right to education. And so,
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Speaker 3: to me, it happened, I think, that there were some
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Speaker 3: people who, maybe, in the south, in Banjou, or when
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Speaker 3: you go to school, when you decide to go to
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Speaker 3: private schools, because the schools in the neighborhood would allow
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Speaker 3: you to live from the perspectives of the people. Because
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Speaker 3: in France there is a system that is very pre-established,
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Speaker 3: compared to high school and the schools you go to,
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Speaker 3: on which you want to go. If you want to
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Speaker 3: become someone or if you want to work in politics,
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Speaker 3: for example, you can't do it in any university. You
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Speaker 3: can't do it in any high school.
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Speaker 1: You can't do it in any high school.
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Speaker 3: You have to do it in either.
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Speaker 1: The Louis-Philippe High School or the E-School. So, as soon
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Speaker 1: as you enter, you have to go down.
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Speaker 3: The street while you want to run. I myself have
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Speaker 3: done a master's degree and in part when I chose
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Speaker 3: the master's degree, not so much for the program, but
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Speaker 3: because you see me, I did it there, because afterwards
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Speaker 3: everyone talks about artists of the artists, that is, they
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Speaker 3: are people who Thanks to him, who is in Italy,
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Speaker 3: who knows.
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Speaker 2: But then one has to find out, either him or
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Speaker 2: maybe it's me, to find out on the path that
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Speaker 2: the end, maybe, has to take to get to where
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Speaker 2: you want to go. I mean, I see that as
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Speaker 2: a teenager you often don't know where you want to go.
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Speaker 2: It's not my experience, but you still don't know.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes. Yes, it's a very stressful system at the
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Speaker 3: school level, because students have to think about the time
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Speaker 3: in the high school, from two in the morning to
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Speaker 3: six in the evening, with a lot of noise, so
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Speaker 3: they can be very tired. But above all, there are
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Speaker 3: students who are not enough compared to the questions, so
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Speaker 3: they don't ask questions to enter the ateneum, who are
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Speaker 3: the number of people who ask each Ateneo separately about
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Speaker 3: their procedures. While in France, the equipment in Italy is
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Speaker 3: a unique algorithm. You can ask a top Ateneo from
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Speaker 3: December and he will never answer. It is an algorithm
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Speaker 3: that speaks among the different Robits, even from the high
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Speaker 3: school of origin, as well as from the high schools
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Speaker 3: in the series of Robits. And so it was interesting
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Speaker 3: to see these protests. They actually had a series of demands,
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Speaker 3: but they were egalitarian. They wanted a better school, and
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Speaker 3: they wanted a better school for everyone. So these demands
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Speaker 3: went to the people, and they did things that I
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Speaker 3: didn't expect, because they published on the Union Étudiants their
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Speaker 3: list of questions. And one thing I didn't expect was
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Speaker 3: that they wanted to equip the university staff of the
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Speaker 3: extra-European students with the French and European students, because otherwise
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Speaker 3: they wouldn't be allowed to have access to the studies. Yes, yes, yes. No,
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Speaker 3: in fact, the egalitarian elements, yes, you also read it
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Speaker 3: on the press, it's a very present thing.
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Speaker 2: A few years ago, the KIST manifesto was so big,
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Speaker 2: because only two representatives of the Students' Union received it.
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Speaker 2: Can you tell us if, beyond KIST, some ALKs will arrive?
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Speaker 3: ALKs immediately, because the Minister of National Education, Jeffrey, has
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Speaker 3: announced an emergency plan, which we don't know how it
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Speaker 3: will be, and the assumption of 3,000 subplans. Also, the
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Speaker 3: things were born from the fact that he was in
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Speaker 3: the state of Thailand, you know, all these teachers passed, like, 4,000
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Speaker 3: of these, and he wanted to go to the other 1500,
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Speaker 3: in short, something like that. But the things we were discussing,
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Speaker 3: also with our colleagues, were the fact that, if we
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Speaker 3: reflect on the fact of the situations that, Many of
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Speaker 3: the students don't vote anyway, because they are too young
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Speaker 3: to vote. And if you are asking questions about what
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Speaker 3: is happening, it will be reflected in the elections next year,
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Speaker 3: as we say in Italy, at the electoral level. I
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Speaker 3: think that if you ask me, maybe, okay, who of
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Speaker 3: the students would like to vote in the elections? At
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Speaker 3: the electoral level, students who want to vote are left-wing,
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Speaker 3: but those who come from the left-wing are more conservative.
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Speaker 3: In the protests, there are high-ranking high-ranking high-ranking high-ranking high-ranking
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Speaker 3: Even if a parent doesn't agree with the position of
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Speaker 3: the child, they don't ask about the reaction of the parent,
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Speaker 3: because sometimes the child goes back to school and doesn't
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Speaker 3: do the homework. Yes, it would be interesting to hear
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Speaker 3: how you interpret this, what you said, because in Italy
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Speaker 3: it is so different from.
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Speaker 2: The fact that These protests are so neutral and encouraging,
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Speaker 2: even of the unsubmissive France, like Lenchon, but I think
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Speaker 2: that it gives them a chance, it gives them an
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Speaker 2: opportunity from the left, from the extreme, but it gives
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Speaker 2: them a chance from the right to attack the government,
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Speaker 2: because unfortunately, beyond these just claims, or even the fact
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Speaker 2: that they give them a chance, it is usually so
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Speaker 2: difficult that such large demonstrations do not come to Pradis
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Speaker 2: with electoral purpose. So it would be interesting, I tell you,
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Speaker 2: that this thing is interpreted by various parts of society,
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Speaker 2: as well as French politicians. Do you think that these
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Speaker 2: demonstrations will have a lot to do with it? Or
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Speaker 2: have I told you that things are a little bit off?
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Speaker 3: Ah no, absolutely, apart from the fact that I am
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Speaker 3: waiting for the 16th of October, when the return of
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Speaker 3: the yellow vests will be announced, so the stuff will
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Speaker 3: flow into another movement, no, the stuff will go in advance.
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Speaker 3: I think that, apart from the violence of the police,
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Speaker 3: there is also other violence, but yesterday I was told
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Speaker 3: that There are some things that make attacking a little
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Speaker 3: slippery around, apart from the fact that it is quite fun,
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Speaker 3: you come back to the manifestation, I have the fantastic
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Speaker 3: queen designs, the crew. Yesterday I was walking around and
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Speaker 3: there was a ghost next to me who had the
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Speaker 3: mountain pass and the swimming goggles. They had to wear
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Speaker 3: flow glasses to protect themselves from the gas. But then
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Speaker 3: they went back, they took the gas from the gas
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Speaker 3: station and they went crazy. And they were a little
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Speaker 3: bit scattered, but it was also here that they commented,
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Speaker 3: but in short, they didn't agree with the gas. That is,
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Speaker 3: they got used to a climate of repression that, apparently,
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Speaker 3: in France is more... Many fears. Many fears, yes.
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Speaker 2: Well, Emma, thank you for what you've done, what you've
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Speaker 2: told us, and see you soon. See you soon, Mandy.
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Speaker 3: Mandy.