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• Jenny O'Mahony: Hello and welcome to Off Topic. I am Jenny. Samantha Potter: I'm Samantha. Meagan Smith: And I'm Megan. Jenny O'Mahony: And we're gonna have a topic. we'll probably deviate, but it's a starting point. we're gonna talk about PMDD, which is like I like to think of it as PMS on steroids. I don't know if there's it's probably not that's my way to describe it. I don't know if that's been your guys' experience, but Meagan Smith: Uh-huh. Samantha Potter: PMS had rage, that would be Jenny O'Mahony: yeah. Samantha Potter: it. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, if PMS Meagan Smith: And on steroids, yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, was made to like it's like the nefarious evil cousin of PMS. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: I like it. Jenny O'Mahony: And not in a descendants way where they're not really bad. it's just Meagan Smith: ha Jenny O'Mahony: maleficent just in her full fucking Samantha Potter: Mm. Jenny O'Mahony: bitchy glory. Meagan Smith: you have pre preteen kids when you compare things to the descendants. Feel like Sav, you're not quite Jenny O'Mahony: I know. Mm-hmm. I've never seen Meagan Smith: there yet. Samantha Potter: No. Jenny O'Mahony: I've never seen it. I've heard it in the background. I've never experienced it. okay. Meagan Smith: I've seen them. They're not bad. They're not like the first cup the first one or two. I was like, I can get into this. they're cheesy, but yeah. But Jenny O'Mahony: Disney rate. It's fine. Meagan Smith: I have not seen the tenth queen of hearts under the sea crap. They're coming out with it. I don't I made that up, but there's a I feel like they I feel like there's a lot of them. Jenny O'Mahony: There's ten you made that it feels like it Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: There's not just three. There is a lot. And they are doing spin offs. I don't know. Ask one of your kids, they'll know. Jenny O'Mahony: Do know what? It's all, commercialism and capitalism at its b its finest. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Fell more shit. Jenny O'Mahony: because we're starting on topic. So PMDD, maybe we just all share our experience with PMDD? Because I think it's different for everybody. But there's commonalities, which is why it's like a thing Meagan Smith: And it's sometimes hard, I feel like, to recognize that it's maybe that 'cause it's different for everyone. So yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: 100%. so for me, I never had even really bad PMS. periods were never a big deal for me growing up. I remember having like heavy periods and all that stuff, but I have had an IUD. I'm on my third IUD and they stay in for five years. and I will have an IUD until they paternalistically pat me on the shoulder and say, You do not need this anymore. I have no interest in experiencing periods and all of the side effects from them. I am very happy with my IUDs. So I've always essentially had a baseline. Synthetic hormone level because I have hormonal IEDs. I've never done copper. And when I was four, I'm 42. So when right before I turned 40, I started realizing that I was having a really hard time, but it would initially be linked to genuinely tricky circumstances or things that we you would genuinely be like, well, of course you'd be upset about XYZ happening. But it always felt to me how upset I was was disproportionate to the event. And then I started getting my period through my IUD, which was in my opinion, a provider error, the provider who did my last IUD. I've always had the lower hormone one, the Kylina. And she should have looked at my age and said, Hey, you are almost 40. And ask me some questions and I should have had the a marina put in. I should have had a higher hormone IUD put in. Because that is any hormone replacement therapy, like menopausal hormone therapy is Kylen is just not something that any of their algorithms have been built around because it's a lower hormone and you're adding hormones. So why would you start with a lower one? So I had the wrong hormone for my phase of life, IUD. And I started getting periods. and I was like, my God, I opted out of these first off. So that was annoying. And then I started having the more cyclical changes that happen when you do have a period. And I also opted out of those for the record. And it was awful. And one of the things I remember is when I had done my ADHD diagnosis. Probably, I guess, the year prior to that, I had to do because if you go to get tested for ADHD, they they do they test you for depression, they test you for anxiety, they test you for all the other things. And of course, they don't, if you show up for anxiety, test you for ADHD, which drives me fucking bonkers. But regardless, I had done all of those screeners in the not so far past. And I remember all the questions. And I remember being like, my God, it's awful that people say yes to these questions. how horrible these people's experience must be that they are actually answering these questions and it's a yes. that is, I felt so bad for the people that say yes to those questions. And then I was like, my God, I would say yes to some of these questions now, remembering never before. Meagan Smith: Mm. And never yeah, and never before. You never yeah. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: And I was like, this is fucked up. So I went to my doctor and was like, you can talk to my therapist. She knows I don't have depression. She knows I don't have anxiety. I feel like a different person that week. I felt like a completely different person. And it was awful. It was almost like an out of body experience being like, You have no reason to be this upset. you're logically, I could be beside myself and be like, this does not make sense why you are this upset. And I would keep the upset inside because I knew there was this disconnect, which obviously made it harder because then it's exhausting 'cause you're like Meagan Smith: That's also interesting that you you recognized it, right? that you were able Jenny O'Mahony: Because it wasn't me. Meagan Smith: yeah, that you were able that's I feel like that's not a common, I could be wrong, common experience, but to be like, I know I'm Jenny O'Mahony: Probably not. Meagan Smith: being unreasonable, I know this isn't me, this isn't normal. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Well, I think it was just 'cause it was so far off of my baseline. I don't know. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Regardless. And everybody has different experiences, right? Like this is mine. And my PMDD disappeared when I started progesterone for menopause hormone therapy. What about you, Sam? Samantha Potter: Yeah, mine was not I was not as in tune with it. I feel like I've always had stronger PMS, but also growing up I was on the pill for a really long time. And then after my first I was also on an IUD and n now, after my second, I haven't been on anything. And that's when it kind of started coming to light. Jenny O'Mahony: Mm. Samantha Potter: Also realizing after all my hormones maybe have or recalibrated to something normal after having a baby, it took a little bit. But I actually didn't even I didn't even know it was a thing. I was like, what is PMDD? And thank goodness for social media, because that's how I learned about it, honestly. And Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm. Samantha Potter: then I started tracking and I was like, wow, basically two weeks before my period, on the dot. I turn into a monster where every little thing irritates me, every little thing seems like it's such a big deal, and I can't do it, and I can't handle all of the external pressures that I can normally handle through the first half of my cycle. And having we all have neurodivergent kids, having a neurodivergent child during that time is really hard because they're looking to you to co-regulate and you can't even regulate yourself in those moments. for those two weeks. And then as soon as your period hits, it's gone. And wow, I'm normal again. I'm a normal person. And I think my struggle now is like, hey, this isn't actually normal. So why are we living with this? Jenny O'Mahony: It's common. Samantha Potter: Why are we living like this? this isn't something that needs to be happening. It's so irritating that once again we're not being res where we weren't researched. There's no research around this. It's all coming out now and solutions coming out now to things. And that I'm super impatient. So, you know, being Meagan Smith: Same. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Samantha Potter: like, This doesn't have to be this way. What is the solution? How are we solving this? Is my current issue with it all. I'm just done with Meagan Smith: Yeah. Samantha Potter: it. Jenny O'Mahony: I love how you said that we get told, especially as women, that this is normal. And no, it's not. It's common. Just because something Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: happens frequently doesn't mean it's normal, nor is it acceptable. It's Samantha Potter: Mm. Jenny O'Mahony: just we're just accept that it happens, but that doesn't mean it needs to. Right? Samantha Potter: Yeah. Exactly. And as soon as we're Meagan Smith: Yeah. Samantha Potter: told like that it's actually not normal and you don't need to live this way, I'm like, I don't want to live this way anymore. Like, let's fix it. Why is it taking so long? Let's do the research. Let's get this done and have the solutions because I know it's very feasible. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep. Jenny O'Mahony: It's so feasible. It just takes so much time, right? It's brutal. Because good data takes time. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the whole common but not normal thing I think is it's so huge. Jenny, as soon as you said that, it just hits home so much because Yeah, just be it it's common. It happens to so many women. So why don't we know more? Why aren't we researching this? Why aren't and though all the blame for not researching women's health, a lot of it's been because our hormones are so change every day, but this is the week before, two weeks before. at least we've cut half of the time over you. figure it out at this time. It's very annoying. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. What about you, Megan? Meagan Smith: So mine's always been really tricky because I have endo, I chalked a lot of it up to a very long time of being my endo. the symptoms are they're not, I don't think they're connected, but they're similar symptoms. I also was on birth control for a really long time. I was on birth control for I went on it when I was fifteen to essentially late twenties, so I wanted to have kids. Samantha Potter: To that mask your endo two. Meagan Smith: Yes. So I knew I I suspected I had endo, because my mom suspected she had it. And that was why I went on birth control earlier, 'cause my periods were so bad that she was just go on birth control. That's that's what she was told to do. that's essentially what you did was go on the pill. And so that's but then I forgot, to be perfectly and I used to take the pill back to back. And so I would only get a period I would get a period like Samantha Potter: Mm. Skip your periods too. You also opted out. Meagan Smith: I also opted out and so I would get my period a couple times, three times a year or for whatever my doctor at the time said was how long I could take them back to back for. and I kinda spaced out that I had it. So then when I went off to have kids, I was like, right, this is a thing. And then I I got officially you can't really get tested, but I had an ultrasound and they officially diagnosed me. And then I was postpartum for years. I had really bad postpartum depression with my youngest. I do have anxiety. I am a very anxious person. I've had anxiety for a really long time. I've suffered from anxiety. I yeah, had really bad postpartum depression. And so I had a hard time realizing that's what was happening. But then I would say the past couple years, going through perimenopause and kind of think shifting, and my endo's also, but then my endo is progressive, right? And it's getting worse. But the past years. year I started tracking things so particularly exactly what was happening every single day and that's what I noticed my anxiety is getting worse the week before I'm really angry but then I was am I just angry because the world's terrible so it was hard two things can be true yeah but Jenny O'Mahony: two things can be true at the same time. Meagan Smith: I think for me it was trickier to realize that yes I do actually have this then this is actually happening because I just I chalked everything up. I like, it's just my endo. it's the rage and the anxiety and all that was I just kinda chalked it up to that until I started tracking every single day and then saw the Jenny O'Mahony: How do you track how do you track what's your preferred do you like app? I'm assuming you use an app. Meagan Smith: I was using clue. Yeah, I was using clue. I now use claw I now use claude. Jenny O'Mahony: okay. okay. My daughter uses and her friends use flow because they want to know when they're gonna get their periods right. so Samantha Potter: Mm. Jenny O'Mahony: but you have to pay. So I think I paid just because I was like, honestly, whatever. Yeah. Meagan Smith: Yeah, clue you have to I have an annual subscription. I use it. I've used it for so long now that so so I'm using both, but I started using what I started using Claude more for, I think Sam, you your whole talking about energy to your cycle. So I've Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Meagan Smith: I think we all do a one pager I guess on Claude of what's happening today and your tasks and all that stuff. And so I put an energy meter onto that. to tell me where I am in my cycle, I'll send it to you. Samantha Potter: that's so smart. That's so smart. Jenny O'Mahony: is there a key phrase you use for it? Meagan Smith: I will send it to you. I'll f I don't know what I said, put it in the show notes. it's a prompt and it essentially shows me and it depends like I have it really I'm so visual, so I have it like in a visual color coded way. But it kind of will show me like, okay, if your energy is going down now, it's steady, it's blah blah blah. And then within that I'm slowly building out a tracker so I press a button when it's my period starts. going to s I just started doing this last night is I was like, wait, I should put in the symptom tracker into the same thing. So I'm gonna figure Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, why not? Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Meagan Smith: out how to do that and I will I will post that in the show notes too. so it's kind of all in one place. But that's when I was like, my anxiety. I still have like I still have anxiety, but it gets worse right before I become kind Samantha Potter: I prefer. Meagan Smith: of, yeah, like everything gets worse. And also except for happiness. I think another big thing of isn't a Samantha Potter: I I guess it gets worse, yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: I mean the happiness does get worse. Meagan Smith: big thing of PMDD rejection sensitivity too. Jenny O'Mahony: well I mean it's all rejection sensitivity is such like a core for ADHD. So maybe. Meagan Smith: I my when my doctor was testing like that was one of the things she asked, I remember, I was like, but I have ADHD, so I have that. Like I have really intense rejection sensitivity, but I have ADHD. So it's like but that but that was worse. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: my understanding is that if you have ADHD, you are far more likely to experience PMTD. Samantha Potter: Yeah. And also rejection sensitivity. And I think they're not they're not like Meagan Smith: Okay. That makes sense. And rejection sensitivity. Samantha Potter: I don't think they're tied together. I listened to I think her first name's Sasha, like doc I can't remember her name. Anyways, she's a great researcher. I'm listening to her book right now, Too Sensitive. and it's all about rejection sensitivity disorder and like Jenny O'Mahony: Mm. Samantha Potter: how to navigate Meagan Smith: interesting. Samantha Potter: it and how to I'm not very far through it, I'll be totally honest. But so far I would say it's like it's super informative and just is helping me understand myself because Meagan Smith: I'm looking it up right now. Samantha Potter: I'm also have RSD. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, it's probably validating. Samantha Potter: Just to know okay, you're not crazy or it's just overly sensitive or like, yeah, you are. But like that's normal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Meagan Smith: Well and called too sens Yeah. and all called our whole lives, or at least me, you're just being too sensitive, you're too sens like And I have a kid who has that too. So so Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Meagan Smith: listening to that is probably helpful 'cause you're like, can I help me, child? Yeah. Yeah. Samantha Potter: that's where I need it is to help navigate with my child too. 'Cause she's got it to a whole nother level than what I have. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Meagan Smith: Yes. Or does she or you just masked the shit out of it? Okay, fair. Yeah. You masked the shit out of it and now just have tools to ignore people. I don't know. That's what I sometimes think about Samantha Potter: No, she does. maybe I did mask it, but also no, I think she does. Yeah. Yeah. Totally possible. Meagan Smith: me. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: Interesting. Samantha Potter: Yeah, it's wild. The the part, there's so many things that annoy me about this whole process. But I think one is that all of us didn't know about it for so long because we were on Meagan Smith: Yeah. Samantha Potter: birth control. Whereas they there was like a study that they tested birth control for men that they have you guys heard this? Like they had birth control for men, but Meagan Smith: I heard that they had it. Yes. Samantha Potter: Men reported mood swings and irritability and you know, everything that we experience on a monthly Meagan Smith: So they're not gonna take it. Samantha Potter: basis. So they're not gonna take it. Are you joking me? Meagan Smith: Yeah, all the symptoms were things that women deal with every single day. And they're like, but it's too hard for men. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Like Jenny O'Mahony: Muffin. Meagan Smith: So annoying. Samantha Potter: So not surprising. Jenny O'Mahony: I I was talking to a friend yesterday about how she sent me a real it's a s psychiatrist who I don't wanna overly plug social media for medical information because I think there's so much Meagan Smith: No. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: bad information out there. Meagan Smith: It's more the awareness. I'd never heard this word, so yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: yeah, it depending on what you normally look at is the type of medical information your feed's gonna give you. Right. So like I have a lot of friends that are physicians and are on social media. So I'm more likely to see real medical doctors who are capable and, within their scope to speak to Samantha Potter: Doctor Oz isn't coming up on your guys' algorithms. What? Meagan Smith: search them out. Like Jenny O'Mahony: Never weird, right? Meagan Smith: I'll search them out, right? I'll be like, okay, Dr. Bla, you know, and then Google them. I know. Now we're all gonna get Dr. Oz info. Jenny O'Mahony: Except for he will now 'cause you said that my phone was probably listening, Samantha. But Samantha Potter: It's true, everyone's listening. It's gonna be our screensavers in no time. Jenny O'Mahony: Damn it. But the there is a psychiatrist who I really like. And what she was pointing out is that emotional dysregulation is not in the DSM five for ADHD. And it should be because that's actually what we see so much of, especially in the like our subset of the ADHD Meagan Smith: Yes. Jenny O'Mahony: population, the the attention only, you know, Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: the quote unquote not mixed type, which I argue is not true because I feel anxiety is hyperactivity. It's just internalized hyperactivity versus external. So I think everybody is combined type. Meagan Smith: So you should explain that in a little more detail, Jenny, because when you explain that to me, my brain, I was like, my god, this makes so much sense. Like your whole theory about how anxiety is hyperactivating. Or not theory. It's not a theory. It's yeah. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Yeah. So there's technically three types of A it's not a theory. There's three type there's three subtypes of ADHD. There's inattentive type, hyperactive type, and combined type. And so classically what you hear here is like the late diagnosed woman is inattentive. So that's like the the daydreamer whose head is in the clouds, whatever. And then you hear that those stereotypical little wiggly boys are the hyperactives, and then you have some people that are a combination of the two. I personally believe everybody is a combination of the two. It's just how the hyperactivity presents. I have no business. the like I am not capable of diagnosing or anything. That is just my opinion, to be very clear. I don't, I'm not a researcher. I am not a medical provider at all. But my opinion is that everybody is actually a combined type because your hyperactivity just presents differently. So if you are anxious and you are prone to rumination and you know, s rapid thoughts. y that is hyperactivity. It's just in your brain, not outwards. So the theory behind that is that girls are more observant, especially at a younger age. They see people getting in trouble for being wiggly. So they keep themselves really still. They basically they learn to mask at a young age, but just because they're still doesn't mean they're calm, right? They just s channel that inwards and end up with high anxiety rates. So I think I am not somebody who has anxiety, but I do have extremely high movement requirements. when people are like, aim for 10,000 steps a day, I'm like, I will go crazy. I need 12 to 15, or else I will literally be crawling out of my skin. That's hyperactivity. Meagan Smith: Where I'm the where I'm the anxiet when you explain the anxiety thing to me, I like, I my I feel like my life I like, this makes so much sense to me. I feel like it completely explains me and my kid. Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm. Meagan Smith: and then you just kind of then you can strategize better and it's yeah. I felt seen, Jenny. You made me feel very seen. I was like, this makes sense. But I'd never thought of Jenny O'Mahony: It's just knowing because that it's real. Meagan Smith: I'd yeah, I'd never thought of it that way and I just it made sense to me. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. No, it I mean, that's I mean it's how I compartmentalize it. And I think that emotional dysregulation, we tend to think of kids that are having meltdowns. And no, if I my emotional disreg emotional dysregulation is huge for me within my ADHD, it looks like feeling rushed. Like I feel like I'm always late. I can't keep up. And I can't substantiate that with anything because I'm not late. Meagan Smith: Yeah, yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: And if you were to actually be like, what are you behind in? I wouldn't be able to produce anything where it's not like I have like a project at work that isn't done and it was due yesterday. It just I feel like I'm behind. I feel I have the same feeling as if things are not being done that need to be done, even though nobody else would agree. That would not be their experience. and irritability is emotional dysregulation. Right. Samantha Potter: Mm, mhm. Jenny O'Mahony: So I think it's a huge component. And when you look at ADHD brains and PMDD, we need estrogen is huge for norepinephrine and dopamine production, which we are deplete of as ADHDers. we the working theory is we don't have as much dopamine, right? That's what stimulants do. And when we with our cycle, when we have like a low estrogen part of our cycle, which then gets even worse in perimenopause, you need the estrogen. For the norepinephrine and the dopamine, essentially the happy chemicals. So if you don't have that, it makes sense that you're gonna have even more dysregulation and feel even shittier. Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Did you see that the FDA approved a new medication? It's like in the non-stimulant class. And actually, yeah, I'm Meagan Smith: Yeah, I saw someone talking about that the but I didn't read the article. Samantha Potter: super curious about it because like stimulant, I'm gonna give it a go again, but stimulants for me just have not worked great. they give me wild reactions. And so I'm on a non-stimulant, but it only targets like seroton Meagan Smith: Yeah, targets one at them. I can't remember. Samantha Potter: One of them. One of the three. but this one targets all three. Like it targets like dopamine, Meagan Smith: Yeah. Samantha Potter: serotonin. No. Thank you. Yeah, I know. I'm like the last one. so Meagan Smith: And no nor nor a pineapphrine. I could ever say that either. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Nora Penephrin. Yeah. Samantha Potter: it actually targets all three while being a non-stimulant. So I'm super curious when it's only approved in the US, unfortunately. I Meagan Smith: okay. Samantha Potter: would love to get my hands on some of that. Jenny O'Mahony: Canada for that stuff is usually pretty good though. for medications, Samantha Potter: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: if the data is there. Samantha Potter: Yeah, I want like I Jenny O'Mahony: Mm. But that sounds awesome. Samantha Potter: right. I'm like this kind of sounds like a good solution. Jenny O'Mahony: Is it a new class of drug, or is it a new version of a previous Meagan Smith: I forget what it's called. Start does it start with an S? I honestly saw some article about it yesterday and I was like, I wanna read that. It's probably open on my phone. Samantha Potter: Yeah, hang on. Jenny O'Mahony: Cause that sounds really cool. I do know that for our kids, because my one of my kids is being transferred back to our primary care provider. she's being transferred out of the pediatrician, which is great. But BC Children's Hospital, their psychiatry department will do medication counseling for providers. So say my kid who's been on Vivance really Meagan Smith: Mm. Jenny O'Mahony: well. Say she gets a bit older and we don't know about her ADHD meds right now. Rather than getting back on a wait list waiting for a pediatrician again, our family doctor can directly connect with BC Children's Hospital's psychiatry program and they will do medication counseling for it's doctor to doctor. So it's like a peer to peer thing, Meagan Smith: that's so cool. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: but it takes the pressure off of the family provider who has to be an expert in everything, which isn't possible. Samantha Potter: Mm, Jenny O'Mahony: It takes the pressure Samantha Potter: mhm. Jenny O'Mahony: off them and they can speak to an expert. They can talk to the psychi the psychiatrist and and or the pharmacist from BC Children's psychiatry. It's like Samantha Potter: That's really cool. Jenny O'Mahony: so that's really good Meagan Smith: That is really cool. Jenny O'Mahony: for if anybody's in a position with a family provider who doesn't have as much comfort, especially with kids. Obviously, Samantha Potter: Mm. Jenny O'Mahony: adults, they don't do consultation for adults at BC children's, but do you find the name of the drug? Samantha Potter: yeah, so it's centanafidine. Centanaffidine. C-E-N Centafidine. Sure. C-E-N-T-A-N-A. Probably. Jenny O'Mahony: Sentafidine, probably. That's how I I feel like that's how it would be pronounced. Sentafidine. I don't could be wrong. Samantha Potter: Probably. but yeah, that's what it's that's what it's called. So it's like a new, Jenny O'Mahony: Cool. Samantha Potter: a new class. Meagan Smith: Interesting. Jenny O'Mahony: Who's the drug manufacturer? Samantha Potter: Mm, this isn't h that's the Jenny O'Mahony: It'll be all over it. That's it. that's a generic that sounds like a generic name. Samantha Potter: generic name, yeah. The Meagan Smith: That's the yeah. Samantha Potter: other name is Simtrio. Jenny O'Mahony: Some trial. Hmm. I don't they may I don't know. Meagan Smith: How do they come up with these names? Samantha Potter: Ugh, so weird. Jenny O'Mahony: They're so weird, some of them. But that's Meagan Smith: They're so weird. Jenny O'Mahony: so cool. So I know, I know personally I have tried going with a slightly higher vibance dose during those difficult weeks. And when I was do you actually cause when I was having Samantha Potter: Mm, mm. Meagan Smith: Yes, I do too. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: like actual PMDD symptoms, I did find it helped. But if I just have like a little PMS just a where I'm just like a little, I it makes me wired. it's more it's very interesting Samantha Potter: Hm. Jenny O'Mahony: because it does not jack me up when I was PMDDing, but when I got my progesterone to a place where I didn't wasn't having PMDD out of habit, I increased the dose and then was like, no, this is too much stimulant. Samantha Potter: That's interesting. Meagan Smith: Yeah, so I just took a little bit more, ten milligrams more. I'm on Vivance too. for that week. And it helped. But yeah, same Jenny O'Mahony: D yeah. Meagan Smith: thing. I had to remember I this is why I had to get so good at tracking. I my brain, like I have no memory anymore. I feel like there's perimenopause in motherhood. So I have to write everything down. And so part Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Meagan Smith: of tracking is like, right, it's been a week. Stop taking it otherwise. Jenny O'Mahony: Claude could do too, hey? within your prompts. Claude. You're gonna hack it. No, Meagan Smith: Claude could do that. I'm gonna figure this out. I'm gonna do yeah. This is my I'm gonna hack it. Yeah. Samantha Potter: Yeah, and you could put it into your daily Jenny O'Mahony: so stimulants have never worked great for you, Sam, which is like fair. That's why there's different classes of drugs. Samantha Potter: Yeah, yeah. Totally. Meagan Smith: Yeah, they don't yeah. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: And what for me, one of the stimulants doesn't work. The what five ants works really well for And then I I think Jenny, we talked about this. I was like, it's not working anymore. Turned out I needed to go to brand name, which I know you're not supposed to have to, but I did. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. It's weird. Meagan Smith: and my doctor even was like, I anecdotally had heard that a lot as well. But I tried the other class and it made me feel insane and like so wired and yeah. Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: right away if something's a good fit, Meagan Smith: I was like, this is not I felt crazy. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: And then I thought it was just a off day, so I took it for a few days. I was like, nope, nope, this is not okay. Jenny O'Mahony: Eu. Meagan Smith: So I can't imagine them both doing that. that would be so hard. Samantha Potter: Mm. Jenny O'Mahony: But also Zami might not stimulants may never work for you. And that's Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: okay 'cause there's lots of other drugs. Samantha Potter: Totally. It's just hard because you dose up during like your luteal phase, but I can't do that with my class of drugs. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: No. Samantha Potter: So, but it is like I'm going through like a whole new like a whole new regime now of medicine. So like I'm on I've just switched my SSRIs, which like I'm in the phase of the new SSRIs where you like kind of feel like a zombie and like feel shitty, because it's like you're s you're in the transition period. So it could either I've I've Jenny O'Mahony: So are you tapering down to go up? Samantha Potter: already tapered down off my old one and now I'm like Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Samantha Potter: up and I've been on the full dose of the new one for two weeks now. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: And you have to get used to it. Meagan Smith: So did you have to fully taper off of the old one first and then that's hard. Jenny O'Mahony: If they're different, yeah. It's like a safety thing too. And people, that's why I find it so Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: funny. I understand why people are hesitant to prescribe stimulants. They're a controlled substance, blah, blah, blah. But you can just not take them. You're like, whoa, this didn't Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: work. I'm not taking it. But it's dangerous for you to not taper Samantha Potter: Created soon. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: your depression or your anxiety medication. You Meagan Smith: Your SSRIs. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: have to taper it down. So Samantha Potter: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Meagan Smith: And it can take a long time to taper. Samantha Potter: It's a long time. It's not a fun process. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, depending on the dose. Meagan Smith: Depending on Jenny O'Mahony: Ugh. Meagan Smith: I postpartum was on a really high dose and then decided to go Jenny O'Mahony: Mm. Meagan Smith: off it, which was a mistake. I'm now back on at lower dose. But tapering took like I feel like it took si over six months. I was on a very high dose. Jenny O'Mahony: And I think that's this is this is where we're off topic here. I'm doing it. That's where I think it's so tricky with Lindsay Clancy and people trying to blame the providers Samantha Potter: Mm. Jenny O'Mahony: with not making enough change with the medication change. The other people say they didn't do anything or they changed too much, but it's actually really hard. Those are medications that you can't just change really quickly. You have to. Meagan Smith: Which is also f frustrating, right? ADHD meds Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: are easy, easy to test because you take them and or you don't that day. Or a day or two, right? Whereas Jenny O'Mahony: Thank God. Yeah. Yeah. Meagan Smith: SSRIs, anti anxiety, depression, anti depression, Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Meagan Smith: like it takes months to know if it's working or not. Samantha Potter: Months. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: So how will so Sam, how long do you think you'll feel foggy for then? Samantha Potter: I'm guessing like around the four week mark. So I'm two weeks in. So probably another two weeks until like Jenny O'Mahony: Really, hey? Samantha Potter: yeah. And Meagan Smith: So fresh. Samantha Potter: and if it doesn't like lift, then it's probably not the right med for me. Then I have to taper back down and then taper onto a new one. Yeah. Yeah. Meagan Smith: Then you have to that's the thing. Then you and then try another one. So Jenny O'Mahony: my god, and then you have be patient. Meagan Smith: it's not like a yeah, it can take years even to find the one that worked. Samantha Potter: It can take so long. And what's so annoying is that exactly. And while we're doing this, I'm not changing my ADHD meds, which Jenny O'Mahony: No. Samantha Potter: I'm we can only change one thing, but I'm Meagan Smith: No, you can only change one thing so you know what yeah. Samantha Potter: like, I feel severely under medicated for. So I'm Jenny O'Mahony: Mm. Samantha Potter: like, nothing's really getting accomplished over here. Jenny O'Mahony: It's so it's so hard. Meagan Smith: yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: I know that some people will prescribe well butrin for that week, for PMDD that's not a Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: continuous. So it must be a very low dose because Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: So I've Jenny O'Mahony: it's like Meagan Smith: heard that a few and I'm again this is not medical advice, but I've heard it very no. That peop that Jenny O'Mahony: my God. No. We can't give medical advice. It's fine. You say whatever you want, it's all Samantha Potter: But I also think I have well bruchen in my cupboard, so Wink wink. Meagan Smith: I do. but doing SSRS just for the PMDD week. That apparently is becoming Jenny O'Mahony: really? Meagan Smith: I listen to a lot of women's health podcasts, obviously, because of my journey. So I don't know. I it's a really low dose Samantha Potter: But how does it titrate in your b how do you Jenny O'Mahony: It must be a super low dose. Meagan Smith: and people only take it for that week or they're so they Samantha Potter: bleeding up to. Meagan Smith: Yeah. And then they don't take it the rest of the month, or they like up their dose by like probably a really small amount just for that. Similar like we did for our ADHD drugs. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Meagan Smith: again, I don't really understand how that works because I understood like I think there this is a newer thing in medicine that women are trying. I'm not sure. But I've I've heard of Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Meagan Smith: on multiple different pod honestly like a lot of different podcasts, people starting to talk about it. And I just didn't I didn't know you could do that. But yeah. Yeah. Like it's probably Jenny O'Mahony: it makes sense. Well, I mean if it's a low enough dose, right? 'Cause I guess Meagan Smith: depending on what it is, you know, like the lowest dose you could probably possibly take. Jenny O'Mahony: Probably. Meagan Smith: But I don't know. Jenny O'Mahony: I feel like if you or somebody Meagan Smith: I need high doses of these things. Low doses don't don't do shit for me. I Jenny O'Mahony: Don't do anything. You're seasoned. Samantha Potter: The anxiety's strong. Meagan Smith: my anxiety just pushes through it all. They need to dose me up. Samantha Potter: Same though. Jenny O'Mahony: Awww. Meagan Smith: But then I'm fine. Jenny O'Mahony: feel like the best thing women can do is track because then you can and and if you have it the nice thing with an app is you can send screenshots, you can do you Samantha Potter: Mm. Jenny O'Mahony: can send because that's super helpful for your primary care provider to see like cyclically like your feelings, your experience tied to your cycle. Samantha Potter: Mm. Meagan Smith: And you think you're gonna remember, but you do you'll you kinda muddy it or you and if you're in perimenopause your cycles can get less Yeah. What am I trying? Yeah, less predictable. Jenny O'Mahony: Well, that's why you're tying you're showing where the actual period is. Samantha Potter: Consistent. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Samantha Potter: Mm. Jenny O'Mahony: And I think that what's it's what happens when you can present that data is you have objective information versus you have objective information on a subjective experience, right? And so you Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: can present the information with neutrality versus being really fucking angry about your experience. And when Samantha Potter: Mm. Jenny O'Mahony: you can have that neutrality. It makes it a lot easier on the receiving end for the provider to take that subjective data and utilize it versus trying to make data from your emotional experience. Right? cause if you're Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: coming in and you're like, everything's awful, and they're like, okay, tell me, because they need to figure out is this an ongoing anxiety? is this like a generalized anxiety disorder? Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: or because if you are in that week, you're like, I'm never gonna feel better feel like this and it's like well no you don't but you're in the moment where you do and it feels like it's gonna it's like when you have a cold you're like will I ever breathe through my nose again and it's like of course we know that this is true. It's true, right? Meagan Smith: That's such a good way to describe it, yeah. Samantha Potter: Okay. Jenny O'Mahony: So when you can bring that data and it just be like here, it really Samantha Potter: Here you go. Mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: helps with their decision making process. Meagan Smith: And it also helped. it helped so f as I said, for me, as someone with anxiety, I Jenny O'Mahony: Gives you something to do. Some action. Yeah. Meagan Smith: It gives something to do. But also I was on so I was on meds post my son, who was now almost seven, and then went off them and that's how I realized I kinda needed to go back on them again. Was Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Meagan Smith: I was like, it's all the time whereas I was chalking up, it's like, it's just during the first week. Samantha Potter: Mm. Meagan Smith: But then also realized as I was tracking, it was getting worse the f that Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm. Meagan Smith: week. So versus it it was the only way to know what was real. So yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Well yeah, 'cause you don't trust your own experience Samantha Potter: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: a lot of the time. So tracking it helps. Meagan Smith: No. Or you're just like, or or you're so busy that you kind of are just like, it's just the week before but then when you have the data for like a month or two, you're like, wait. No. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm. Have you tried B twelve? I know that that's something that like Jen Gunter, who's a very no bullshit OBGY den. I know she says it can. you do B twelve injections. Does it make a difference? It does for you, hey? I hear it's like mixed Meagan Smith: I yes. I get whi I get them to inject B twelve into me first. Yeah. Yes. It does for me. Jenny O'Mahony: in terms of people at helps versus not. What about you, Sam? It didn't make a difference for me. But Samantha Potter: I haven't really yeah, I didn't notice I've gotten injected with it before and I haven't noticed any real difference, but I also wasn't tracking anything that closely. So Meagan Smith: I feel like a superhuman. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: yeah. Samantha Potter: maybe it did. Meagan Smith: And my and my body reacts to it almost to the point where my doctor once was like, I get my blood tested a lot. And she I think it was like two weeks or a week after, and they called me, they're like, Your B12 is too high. This is a really big problem. And I like, no, Jenny O'Mahony: You're like, nope. Meagan Smith: I just got an injection for it. Like, it sh it's gonna be high. But I forget what the number was, but it like off the charts. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, I just Samantha Potter: Off the charts. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, 'cause it was right when it was peaking. Meagan Smith: It was like right, yeah. Whatever the timing was. And so now I have to be careful that when I get them I don't get my blood tested days later or a week later or whatever it is. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Yeah. You should probably do it right before you're t shot, I guess. Do you have you notice Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: a difference in your PMDD since your iron infusion? 'Cause theoretically if you have higher iron, 'cause you need iron for dopamine synthesis, Meagan Smith: I don't know. I don't yeah, I wonder if it's Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: right? Or and so if you Meagan Smith: Didn't think about that. Jenny O'Mahony: I'm just curious, like so on paper it would make sense. Samantha Potter: Good question. Meagan Smith: I've also upped I've also upped my SSRI, so it's kinda hard to know. So yes. I'm feeling better, but my SSRI is higher. And I got my iron yeah, Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: that's okay. So you're feeling what I'm hearing is you're feeling better. That's great. Okay. Did you get an iron infusion too, Sam? No. Samantha Potter: Ha ha Meagan Smith: did you ever get one? Yeah, I got you need one, don't you? Samantha Potter: I haven't gotten one yet. No. I need I need the what Jenny O'Mahony: Do you need one? Samantha Potter: my iron is Jenny O'Mahony: What's your ferritin? Meagan Smith: Yeah, what's your paradigm? Samantha Potter: Now I can't even remember. I wanna say it's like it's less than fifty. I wanna Jenny O'Mahony: Less than fifty. Yeah. Samantha Potter: say it's like twenty-nine. I think it was lower than than my daughter's. So let me just look it up because I know my login. yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: I know my login, but I have a new phone. So be apparently when the app goes on a new phone, you have to do the process again. Samantha Potter: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Jenny O'Mahony: But unless I had known that and on my new phone used the QR code from the app in my old phone, then I wouldn't have to re authenticate myself. What's your Ferritin? This is a fun game. It's definitely less than fifty. Samantha Potter: This is a fun game. Meagan Smith: I know. What's your feradin? Samantha Potter: What do we think it is? I still haven't pulled up my report yet. Here we go. Meagan Smith: twenty seven. Samantha Potter: Twenty seven. Jenny O'Mahony: I'm going I'm going less than twenty. Samantha Potter: Twenty six. That was really close. Megan. Twenty six. Meagan Smith: I think 'cause you said Jenny O'Mahony: good job, Meagan Smith: twenty nine. yeah, you need to get an iron implication. Jenny O'Mahony: Will your doctor prescribe? I know some of them are funny about not f I shouldn't say Samantha Potter: Yeah she Jenny O'Mahony: they're funny. Some of them are they have every day's different comfort comfort levels. Samantha Potter: Yeah, she I don't know. We're we're working through one thing at a time here, I feel like. Yeah. Meagan Smith: A naturopath will. A naturopath will look at that number and be like, uh-uh, get an iron infusion. And if if you have coverage that Samantha Potter: Yeah, I should talk to naturopath. I do have naturopath coverage. Meagan Smith: then they will so my naturo the the Jenny O'Mahony: Get that iron. Meagan Smith: actual injection was covered from the nat the IV was covered from the naturopath, and then my drug Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yeah. Meagan Smith: coverage covered the iron prescription. Samantha Potter: Yeah, okay. Jenny O'Mahony: The other thing is, is I don't know if they have adult recommendations because I haven't checked, but the American Academy of Pediatrics has ferritin, iron recommendations for children. Samantha Potter: Mm. Jenny O'Mahony: especially, and I believe there's like a subset that has context for ADHD. So you could be like, hey, like just Google it. You'll find this. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: It's a like it's a rec it's an official recommendation from the American Academy of Pediatrics. So if you were to take that to your Meagan Smith: But Jenny O'Mahony: family doc and be like, Does this apply to adults? it's like a substantive thing to inquire about. Samantha Potter: Mm. yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: But honestly, get an iron infusion. Don't take my medical advice, but get one because it won't hurt you. It might hurt your wallet. Samantha Potter: But look, go get one. No, I sh I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm Meagan Smith: Yeah. Samantha Potter: gonna call. I'm gonna call. I'm gonna book an appointment. I booked an an appointment. This is off topic. but I've have some dermatitis, which is a new fun thing for me. but I went and s never, no, just now. But Meagan Smith: you've never had it before? Samantha Potter: I I it's so annoying. And I went and saw Jillian, our collective injector. Yeah. yeah. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Yeah. My best friend. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Our injector. Samantha Potter: earlier this week and she told me about a facial that she got that cleared it right away. Jenny O'Mahony: Mm, mm. Samantha Potter: so it's like a Hydra facial and then with like a laser. Jenny O'Mahony: And she doesn't do the facial to be clear. For people listening that are like, she just wants to charge you. She does not offer this service. Sh Jillian does not rip us off. Samantha Potter: She doesn't do it. No, she doesn't. No, she doesn't. No, no, she does. Meagan Smith: No no. No, Samantha Potter: She was like, this is the only thing that Meagan Smith: Jillian is the best. Samantha Potter: cleared it. So I have that booked for tomorrow. I just got the reminder notification and I realized I'm really excited for it. Yeah. And and her, yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: We'll put Jillian in the show notes because she deserves. I've known Jillian forever. She's the best. Meagan Smith: awesome. Samantha Potter: And we'll put in her recommended facial for. Yeah, she did all of ours. Meagan Smith: she's the one who does my B t B twelve injections. Yeah. Whenever I go for my Botox top, I'm like, Can you just give me a little B twelve in the arm while we're here? Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Samantha Potter: there we go. That's smart. That's so smart. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, because she has him in her office. But yeah. Meagan Smith: Yeah. And she's a nurse. So Jenny, you know her? Jenny O'Mahony: Go go yeah, so you're gonna tr you try your facial. Yeah. Samantha Potter: Yeah, I'm gonna try it. I'll keep you guys posted. Meagan Smith: Cool. Jenny O'Mahony: Okay. Sweet. And then you also can I have that dermatologist who I swear by, so he's great. Samantha Potter: Yeah, yeah. Meagan Smith: Yes. Samantha Potter: I just don't want to like, I'm like, I know it's a pain in the ass. And you try 8,000 things to try to get rid of it. And it just takes so fucking long. And so when she was like, this cleared it for me instantly. basically the next day, I was like, Meagan Smith: You're like, I'll try it. And you get a facial. Samantha Potter: take my money. I'm in. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And Jenny O'Mahony: A hundred percent. Meagan Smith: And you get a facial out of it, right? tr try it out. Samantha Potter: she moved to the North Shore. So her recommendation is on the North Shore. So I was like, this couldn't be better. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Yeah, I think I think she's in is it was it at Plain Jane? Is that where she said? Samantha Potter: No, it's not plain it's not plain Jane. it's Nuevo. Let me see this text message. It's like on just up from Esplanade. Nuevo Skin Lab. Yep. And it's it's cheaper Jenny O'Mahony: Okay. I've heard she told me she really likes them. Meagan Smith: Cool. I trust her. Samantha Potter: than Plain Jane, so Jenny O'Mahony: I feel like that's we have to be careful. I've heard great things about playing Jane, to be clear. That's why I that's why I s asked. Samantha Potter: Same. I do like playing Jane. I have Meagan Smith: I've been to Plain Jane. Samantha Potter: I've been there for a facial and I loved it. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Meagan Smith: Me too. I love it. And that's if the north I've been to the North Van. I've only been to the North Van one actually. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, it's a good experience. Samantha Potter: Yep. Meagan Smith: and it's beautiful and yeah, I really like it. Samantha Potter: I have an appointment booked for a facial there at the end of November. So I'm just spread spreading the love. Meagan Smith: They do a lot of if you're on their mailing list, if like Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: they're if they have like a quiet day, they'll email like a day or two before and they're like thirty percent off this Wednesday or like it's always really random. Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Meagan Smith: and it's obviously like it just if they have a random slow day. It doesn't happen often, but they do do it. And I've Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yeah. Meagan Smith: totally taken advantage of it before. Like if you have a flexible schedule and you're like I could go on a Wednesday at one Samantha Potter: Go and do it. Yeah. Meagan Smith: for thirty percent off. Yeah. Samantha Potter: Yeah, I think for October they're having forty percent off your first, Meagan Smith: wow. Samantha Potter: like if you haven't been there, your first facial. Meagan Smith: They do that's Jenny O'Mahony: That's pretty cool. Meagan Smith: where I got my red light mask too, because at Christmas they had a forty percent off or some crazy sale. Forget which Samantha Potter: sweet. Which one did you get? Current body? Or omnilux? Horse? Omnilux? Omnilux is my favorite. Yep. I wanna Yeah. Meagan Smith: Yeah, I think Omnilux. It's right there. It's the Omnilux. Yeah, it's the Omnilux. I love it. I wanna get a red light panel. There's Jenny O'Mahony: She's like, whatever they told me to. Meagan Smith: so many red light is there's so many things that apparently it's good for, but I've heard a lot of people so s some of the surgeons I was talking about with for Endo, they will put red light on you while you're open. Or like while they're doing surgery, they'll like red light you. I was like That's really interesting. Not in Canada. but then a but I know. I know, not in Canada. Jenny O'Mahony: that is so I've never heard of this. That's okay. Samantha Potter: That's really cool. Meagan Smith: Someone else was saying like they'll bo like there's all sorts of interesting, they'll Botox your bladder. I was for spasms, yeah. but Jenny O'Mahony: for spasm? Yeah, that makes sense. You cannot spasm if you are paralyzed. Meagan Smith: yeah, but Boto or sorry, red light panels for endo, putting it on your lower abdomen. I don't know. Samantha Potter: I'm sure. You should just actually put the mask on your abdomen. Okay. My mom was doing that with her shoulder too. Meagan Smith: So I've been doing that instead. Yeah. Yeah. was she? I think maybe maybe you told me that and I was like, why would I just put it on my abdomen? Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: So funny. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Well, I also want a the head one, the helmet or whatever. But I technically Meagan Smith: Okay. Do Samantha Potter: I could just do the same thing and put the mask on. Jenny O'Mahony: I've also Meagan Smith: But Jenny O'Mahony: my understanding is there's basically no evidence to say that that works. Yeah. Samantha Potter: The hair one? Really? Meagan Smith: Yeah, does that work? That was my cause I my hair th iron, get your infusion. Samantha Potter: I don't know. I've ha anyone can get me with some gimmicky shit and I'm in. Jenny O'Mahony: Is it gonna hurt you? No. It's only gonna hurt your wallet. So, like, that's a that's yeah, totally. It's only gonna hurt your wallet. Meagan Smith: It's not gonna hurt you. Cause they're expensive. But hair first, Samantha Potter: Whatever. Meagan Smith: get an iron infusion for your hair because that was one of the big things for me. And again, I think I've done this. You can't see, but I have a lot of hair growth. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: And honestly, if you want more hair, tr minoxidil is your tried and true. Minoxidil is the tried and true for hair. Oral or top I only use the topical, but it works super, super well. Meagan Smith: Do you put it everywhere or do you put it just in certain spots? Jenny O'Mahony: there's a dermatologist in California named Samantha Ellis and she had a video on how she does it. So I do like a very thin line here and then I like part my hair. do I like I'm holding my microphone, so it's not helpful. I do like a part like this, and then I'll do like Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: a little thin line and I just kind of like tap it and then I do one more. So I do like one and then two. I do the foam nozzle and then I get it from Costco because it's like the cheapest. Meagan Smith: Do do the foam or the kit? Yeah. Yeah. Samantha Potter: I gonna say Costco. Mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: You always want to do the 5%. It's the rogue gain for men. The women's one is only 3%, Meagan Smith: Yeah, you do the men one. Jenny O'Mahony: is 3%. It's more expensive. It's like classic marketing bullshit. Of course it is, Samantha. Lower percentage. It's bullshit. It's like stupid. But the 5% Samantha Potter: The woman's it's more expensive. I thought it was cheaper. Meagan Smith: The women's is more expensive and it's less lower percentage. probably. So stupid. Samantha Potter: Because it's a pink container. Jenny O'Mahony: monoxidel, we don't have the Kirkland version in Canada. The States has a Kirkland version, which is like white labeled, so it's the same thing. But Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: I use the the like rogain for men and it's just once a day. So you don't have to do it twice a day for female pattern baldness, essentially is what it is, right? And so I just do a little bit. If you put too much, your hair is like super greasy. So don't do that. You just want it takes it's a practice. Meagan Smith: And do you do it every day? Jenny O'Mahony: I do it before bed. I put a little bit and then I like rub it in. So I do my little lines and tap tap and then I flip my head over and like really get it over my scalp. Cause really we're typically seeing the thinning like around the frame of the face and through the center. It's not so much Meagan Smith: Yeah, that's where the iron infusion help my whole hair density. Iron infusion helped, but it's not helping in here. And that's where I was like, I'm just gonna use monoxidal. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Minoxidil, it's the shit. there is a dreadshed phase. You have and if you stop using Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: it, you will just go back to where Samantha Potter: It's gonna go. Jenny O'Mahony: you were before. But I find it very sustainable once I figured out that that I did not need to put a ton on. And then it's just careful with your cat. It's toxic to cats. So Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: like wash your hands very well because you don't want residue on the towel that then the cat. And then I always put my hair up till it's totally dry. So I do it at bedtime. And then I just like put my hair. in a claw clip, whatever. And then that's fine. If you were super paranoid and thought your cat was gonna lick your pillow while you're sleeping or something. Meagan Smith: I s I already sleep with a a bonnet because Jenny O'Mahony: Perfect. Bonnet. Perfect. Meagan Smith: I was like I'm gonna do everything to help my hair not fall out because he does lick. Like he that's how I've never had a cat I've had lots of cats, I've never had a cat lick, but he like will give you a little lick as a kiss good night. It's very sweet. exactly. So I was like I need to Jenny O'Mahony: Well, if he licks the part of your head, that would be poisonous. Meagan Smith: do this, I need to do this in the bathroom and then like make sure the bonnet is like really securely yeah. And wash my hands. Samantha Potter: Mm. Jenny O'Mahony: And then maybe store your bonnet where the cat can't get it. Meagan Smith: That is also a really good Yeah, that's also a really good point. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: don't put it on your pillow during the day or whatever. But it works super, super well for density. It's the best by far. It's the best. I wish we could my God, it's life-changing. My hairdresser's like, your hair is so thick. Meagan Smith: I've been on the verge of trying it for a year and I just need to do it. Yeah. I need to go to Cost I have to go to Costco anyway. Jenny O'Mahony: It's so good. I wish we could do a nice little close the loop with tips and tricks for PMDD, but what I'm hearing Meagan Smith: yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: is you need prescriptions of All sorts from a medical provider. Meagan Smith: And track. But track, I would say that's one of the conclusion. start Samantha Potter: Yeah. Trap. Meagan Smith: tracking, so track. So Yeah. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Track, yes. Track and Samantha Potter: Mm. Jenny O'Mahony: know that you can't I think what actually is the important thing is is that track, you are not crazy and you can't wellness warrior your way through a chemical imbalance in your brain. So you need help from a medical provider. Samantha Potter: I will just add, like, it's not a one one solution is gonna be it. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Samantha Potter: Like it's Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm. Samantha Potter: gonna be multifaceted, it's gonna be like you working on yourself, tracking, recognizing, dealing with your medical provider. And then if you I did try the brain zapper, which now I feel Meagan Smith: Right. Jenny O'Mahony: I love that it will forever be known as the brain zapper. Yeah. Samantha Potter: like is the brain zapper. But now I just feel like because of Where I'm at and my med change and everything, it's my testing is all messed up because they said to try it for three months and this would be my third month. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Samantha Potter: So now I'm like, but I do think that it did help last month. Jenny O'Mahony: It didn't hurt. Samantha Potter: It didn't hurt. And it makes Meagan Smith: It didn't hurt. Yeah. Samantha Potter: sense the logic around it. So, you know. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Samantha Potter: Do find, do some, do some digging, do some research. But it's not a sleep, yeah. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: And stuff like sleep is huge. It's so hard. I hate how Meagan Smith: So huge. Jenny O'Mahony: obvious it is, but sleep is so Meagan Smith: The basics. Jenny O'Mahony: fucking important. Getting sleep, which is not easy to do when you're hormonally fucked. But Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: sleep and movement, ideally you're lifting weights, blah blah blah. But more than anything, it's getting outside and being outside breathing fresh air and doing stuff outside is so So beneficial and it's annoying. But it is. Yeah. Yeah. Meagan Smith: If you walk around the block, yeah. Yeah. Start slow. Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: All right. hyperfixations, Megan? Meagan Smith: Even know. I'm planning a Minecraft birthday party right now for my almost seven-year-old, and I don't know. I think I've briefly talked about this before, don't know anything. So that is another thing Claude is helping me with is building a Minecraft birthday party for a bunch of seven-year-old boys. Claude Jenny O'Mahony: Claude and Pinterest. Meagan Smith: and Pinterest. So I love kids' birthday parties. I'm like Sam. I was an event planner for 15 years. Like, this is my jab. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: I did not know for fifteen years. I didn't know that. Meagan Smith: Yeah, that's what I did f essentially from when I graduated until four years ago. I was a non prof yeah, I was a non profit event. So I worked at three different nonprofits doing fundraising and was their event manager. So through all these big galas and Samantha Potter: huge galas. Meagan Smith: huge galas and like golf tournaments and I did there was like this crazy bike ride from here to Banff that I organized for years. but yeah, that Jenny O'Mahony: my God, that is so cool. Meagan Smith: that's what I did and then totally pivoted. Four and half years ago and went into tech, but my clients were then nonprofits, it was still. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Meagan Smith: but yeah, so this is like how I get that creativity out. I love it. I'm obsessed with it. Like we found all these Mine on what Facebook Marketplace, some mom had like made all these Minecraft characters out of boxes, got those. Samantha Potter: Amazing. Meagan Smith: It's gonna be a lot. Jenny O'Mahony: That is the most niche Facebook marketplace fine. Meagan Smith: I know, Chris found it. And I was like, good for you because he's between jaws right now. He's starting a new job next week, or not next week, the week after. So I like, you get to build these out of all the Amazon boxes. So he found it because I think he was like or and they're Jenny O'Mahony: He was like, or hear me out, we could pay somebody. Meagan Smith: it was thirty bucks for all and I was like, We get Jenny O'Mahony: We should probably was get these out of my house. Meagan Smith: they're huge. They're as tall as Chris, some of them are as big as Chris. Samantha Potter: Mm, mhm. Meagan Smith: Chris is six five. and I was like, they're huge. And I was like, I don't even know who these Lincoln's like, I want this character, this character. I'm like, I don't even know who you're talking about. Also, Samantha Potter: I don't know who that is. Meagan Smith: he's never played the game. This guy is obsessed with Minecraft Lego and the movie. anyways, if anyone wants a Minecraft Jenny O'Mahony: it's so wholesome. Meagan Smith: birthday party, Claude has built me like a 40-page step-by-step game. It's a it Samantha Potter: That's so funny. Meagan Smith: is a work of art. like Jenny O'Mahony: my god, I love it. Meagan Smith: packing lists, games. He wants to do a scavenger hunt. Like, it's absolutely. Samantha Potter: Okay, what's in the goodie bags? Meagan Smith: I bought Lego. I bought mini, it was like mini Lego and the five dollar Lego because I was like, I'm not Samantha Potter: smart. Yeah, they're like they're five dollar make whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Nice. Meagan Smith: and then I'm just gonna do like chocolate coins. Samantha Potter: Perfect. Jenny O'Mahony: Perfect. Meagan Smith: Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Samantha Potter: Love it. Meagan Smith: But I was like, I'm doing Lachland is obsessed, I think I've talked about this too. Like all he wants to do is Lego. I know not every kid is. It's amazing. I s will spend all my money. Jenny O'Mahony: That's a great thing to do though. That's fantastic. Meagan Smith: I will spend all my money on Lego. Jenny O'Mahony: It's just so good for their little brains. Meagan Smith: He is yeah, like his I mean cr his dad is an engineer and has a brain like that and Lachlan, Samantha Potter: Mm. Meagan Smith: he has it. Like he's got that brain and all yeah, and like he's doing Lego like the adult Lego, no problem. but he will do it. Jenny O'Mahony: Great. Good. Meagan Smith: So Lego can take all my money and Amazon on their deal days, whatever they're called, I stocked up. Samantha Potter: Did you buy it? Yeah. Yeah. Love it. Meagan Smith: they don't have it all on sale, but I just like search by sale and then just buy Samantha Potter: Mm. Meagan Smith: and like I stocked up for his birthdays next week and Christmas. I just buy a bunch and it's sitting in my basement. I do Samantha Potter: Perfect. Perfect. Meagan Smith: sometimes when he's a bit much, we'll go into the basement and be like, here we go, here's another set. And he like builds it and plays Samantha Potter: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: yeah, that's just resourceful parenting. Meagan Smith: and plays with it. Samantha Potter: I love it. Meagan Smith: some people are like he will he has all these shelves and he brings it down and then plays with it. So Jenny O'Mahony: my god, it's so good. Meagan Smith: yeah. I'm a big, Samantha Potter: That's awesome. Meagan Smith: big Lego mom. Yeah. Sam, what about you? What's your hyperfixation? Samantha Potter: My current hyperfixation. So I'm going to Whistler in a couple weeks and I feel like it's gonna be quite Meagan Smith: Nice. Samantha Potter: cold for another brand trip. But anyways, I was trying to find I Meagan Smith: How fun. Samantha Potter: need like ski gear because I haven't anyways, my ski gear is like very, very old. And I know it's on my list to do once my youngest I do like, Meagan Smith: Do you ski? No. Yeah. Samantha Potter: but once my youngest actually starts skiing, then we'll actually go as a family again. So I was kind Meagan Smith: Yeah. Yeah. Samantha Potter: of like, I'll wait. But then also I'm kind of torn and using this as like, Well, I'm going and I wanna be cute. It's a work expense Meagan Smith: Good excuse. Jenny O'Mahony: It's it's a work expense at this point in time. Meagan Smith: Work expense. Yeah. Samantha Potter: because it's also linkable. Anyways, I've f found, Meagan Smith: Yeah. Samantha Potter: well actually my assistant found or introduced me to this really cool brand called Half Days. And it's woman two Olympians founded this company because they couldn't find Meagan Smith: Look. Samantha Potter: like cute but also super technical ski gear to wear. On the mountain. So they founded this company. They're based in Colorado, I believe. And they have the cutest Meagan Smith: Cool. Samantha Potter: ski gear. And so now I'm debating like what colors to get. And I want every color. So I've made zero decisions. But that is my current hyperfixation. And Jenny O'Mahony: My that's so fun. Meagan Smith: my god, I'm looking this up. That's so fun. Samantha Potter: I'm like, should I get like a bright red ski suit? Cause I will be very spotta on the mountain. Meagan Smith: my God, you would pull off red well. Jenny O'Mahony: You would and also Samantha Potter: But I also Jenny O'Mahony: you would be confusing with ski patrol, so don't get a cross on your back. Meagan Smith: Although what mountain are you gonna ski? What Samantha Potter: It's it's like it's it's like a slightly Meagan Smith: mountain Samantha Potter: different red tone than Ski Patrol, which yeah. Meagan Smith: What what are you gonna ski see more with the kids at the beginning? Samantha Potter: Pro probably. ideally we get to Whistler, that's where I Meagan Smith: Yeah. Samantha Potter: would love to go, but probably see more at the beginning. Meagan Smith: Because they are in light they're in this blue. They lift together, at least they're in like a blue color. Yeah. So don't it's confus a lot of my family has blue. Samantha Potter: Mm. Yeah, yeah. They're in a blue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a butter yellow that they have too. Anyways. I'm just Jenny O'Mahony: that's so Meagan Smith: You could do both. You can do Jenny O'Mahony: fun. Meagan Smith: Seymour and Whistler because Seymour is really nice 'cause you can go up after school. If one Samantha Potter: Yeah, that's true. Meagan Smith: of your kids I have a kid who all she wants to do is ski. That's all she wants to do. Jenny O'Mahony: They've They have really good kids lessons 'cause they have the little mini magic carpet area. So Seymour's like and it's way cheaper. Obvious Whistler's just like since Vale bought it, it's like so expensive. But Meagan Smith: And Samantha Potter: It's so expensive. It's absurd. Meagan Smith: The season passes Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: for kids are under a hundred bucks for Seymour. And then Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: For Seymour, yeah. Meagan Smith: family, adults, if you buy them early, I actually feel like I learned this from your husband Sam. If you buy them early, I think it's four hundred bucks or something. Samantha Potter: Yeah. You you definitely did. I should actually remind him to buy us all ski passes this year. I think Meagan Smith: and then if you have them you get a really good discount for other people. I think there's like a twenty or thirty percent discount, so if anyone else ever wants to go. And Seymour's locally Samantha Potter: Yes, that's true. Yeah. Yep. Wants to go. Yeah, I think that's true. Meagan Smith: owned. This is why I they still Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: are locally owned. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Just have concerns about the snow. Yeah. No, just the snow. Yeah. The snow question mark. Two years ago. Jenny O'Mahony: They are locally owned. Development. I thought you were talking about their future development plan. Meagan Smith: The snow Yeah. The snow it can it yeah. Yeah. There was that one year was it la it was not last year, the year before. They Jenny O'Mahony: If there will be any, you mean? The snow or lack thereof. Meagan Smith: a two years ago they actually like re I forget like fifty percent of all seasons passes got refunded and I felt so I felt for them. Samantha Potter: Mm. Yeah. It was so bad. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: It was so bad. Meagan Smith: Or they got maybe Jenny O'Mahony: We Meagan Smith: they gave you discount on your next one. I can't remember what it was, but it was so bad. I felt so bad for them. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Samantha Potter: It was well our lessons got we got credits. So then we had we got to redo the lessons. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Jenny? Meagan Smith: Yeah. Yeah. I felt for them. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm. we had no snow locally at all last year. The mountains did. It wasn't a ton. But like I'm fine with that person. I mean, Samantha Potter: None. Yeah. Meagan Smith: Yeah. The mountains were fine. The mountains were fine. Yeah. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: I'm okay. I'm just over here waiting for the summer to come back. you know. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Fair. That's cool. I wanna are you gonna yeah, I want I know I wanna see what you're gonna pick. Samantha Potter: All you need is a butter yellow skisuit and it'll be like summer. I know. I just don't Jenny O'Mahony: You'll have to we'll have to link the company in the show notes. N the show the show notes. Cause that sounds so fun. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yeah, Meagan Smith: Yeah. Samantha Potter: they're they're super fun and it's Meagan Smith: Well and it's hard to find my ski gear is like snowboard stuff, right? it's not yeah. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Well, and the Patagonia and the Arctyrix, and you're like, Meagan Smith: Yeah. Samantha Potter: well, everyone kinda Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Samantha Potter: has that. I'm like, I want something that's a little more feminine and a little more just got some edge and fun to it. I also not really Meagan Smith: And fun. Yeah. Samantha Potter: not the same brand, but I did this all started with I found some like the Western vibe super in right now. So I find I found some like ski suits with like tassels on them, and I was like, This Meagan Smith: God, I love it. Samantha Potter: is so fun. Jenny O'Mahony: my God, it just makes me think of the Calgary Olympics. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yes. Yep. Yep. anyways. Meagan Smith: Yes. I love it. I love it so much. Jenny O'Mahony: That's so good. my gosh. Samantha Potter: Jenny here hyperfixation. Jenny O'Mahony: Okay, so it's like a hypothetical hyperfixation, but since I've decided that we're gonna get a 3D pent printer, I am Meagan Smith: Yes. Jenny O'Mahony: fucking obsessed with all of the shit that you can make with 3D printers. Samantha Potter: You can make so much cool stuff now. It's insane. Meagan Smith: It's so cool. And is this Jenny O'Mahony: It is wild. Meagan Smith: is this one that you're gonna get? I'm just assuming you did a bunch of research on it because I was about to go down this rabbit hole. What one do I get? And I was like, Great, Jenny just told me which one to get. So thank you. Jenny O'Mahony: So I personally had two I have two friends who are obsessed with 3D printing and they both suggested the same printer. So my research, Meagan Smith: That research enough. Jenny O'Mahony: I took people with like a special interest in 3D printing Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: and took their hyperfixation data. Meagan Smith: Perfect. Love it. Jenny O'Mahony: and yeah, so I'm gonna get right now it's like a thousand bucks, but it will go on sale for Black Friday and Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: We're gonna get a so what we're gonna do a it's not like a super basic, it's like a basic nice one, if that makes sense. Like the more Meagan Smith: Yeah, 'cause I was looking at some of the kid ones and you're like, they're gonna grow out of it in a year or two and then Jenny O'Mahony: Not only that, but so my understanding from my friends' data in data sets is that the open ones that aren't like in a box that don't look like a mini bar fridge, like Meagan Smith: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: the like the smaller ones, they're fine for certain things, like to a point, right? So if you're making like fidget toys, like that stuff, it's fine. But if you want to make it for like Dave wants to make bike parts, he's like, if we're getting one, I'm gonna Meagan Smith: Mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: do it. Like you need to have a higher quality one. So Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: yeah. So right now it's 900 bucks. I don't know what the shipping is. I don't know any of that stuff. It comes from California because the brand is bamboo. So is there duty? Time will tell. But I've decided that's what I'm getting. So like it is what it is at this point in time. There's ADHD Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: tax attached potentially. I don't know. apparently the filaments though, so like the colors that you put in, you can buy the cheaper ones off of Amazon and stuff if you're gonna make things like fidgets or whatever. So you would not buy the more expensive filaments. You would you would keep different quality filaments, essentially. Exactly. Meagan Smith: for different things. if your kids are gonna mess around with it, then they get the cheap yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Then you yeah, you do the cheaper stuff, right? Or you look at what is it for? Is it something that's gonna be high use, a bike part versus if I'm making I don't know, I'm gonna make organizing things for my craft supplies. Like that doesn't Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: probably need a super hardcore filament because it's not gonna be, it's gonna be like storing stuff, right? So Meagan Smith: Yeah, it's not being used. Jenny O'Mahony: it's now my whole algorithm since I've like looked into it, is like there's this whole Meagan Smith: Gotta love it. Jenny O'Mahony: what I find funny Phenomenally interesting is the how many niche areas within social media there are that I had no clue. I did not know that crafting moms with 3D printers were an that's in that is a niche. They are evidently doing Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. They have some cool stuff they're making. Jenny O'Mahony: very well for themselves too. Meagan Smith: I'm so Samantha Potter: Yep. Yep. Jenny O'Mahony: they make the coolest stuff, but it's a niche of the internet that I didn't know existed until it heard me. Share this. Meagan Smith: We have a little neighborhood boy Jenny O'Mahony: Anyways, that's my hyperfixation. Meagan Smith: we have a little neighborhood boy who makes like little things and like goes door to door and sells them and he's like seven. I was like, Good for you. Yeah. Samantha Potter: It's so cute. Jenny O'Mahony: I wanna make doorknobs and stuff, like for like the stuff in like say not necessarily like the kitchen where you want metal, but like for like my kids' dressers, I'm sure I can print like fun dresser knobs. Meagan Smith: My gosh, I'm go I need to go down this Instagram rabbit hole, obviously. Jenny O'Mahony: The hardest part is I'm gonna order it over Black Friday and then have to hide it because it's Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: it's we're gonna do it as like our Christmas present for all three kids. It's also for us though. Meagan Smith: I love yeah, it's a good family present. Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: It's a family gift, but it means that we can't I'm I'm gonna really have Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: a hard time. November and December can be hard months, guys. And not because of my hormones. Meagan Smith: When they're at school, can you test it to when they're at school? Samantha Potter: You should and create content Jenny O'Mahony: Apparently no Samantha Potter: content with it. Jenny O'Mahony: I c well, so it's they're big though. they're the size of a mini bar fridge and they're loud. Samantha Potter: They're so big. Yeah. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: they're not for it's not something you just put in your living room. it's gonna be in our basement. Sam's first question to me was like, was actually your comment Meagan Smith: Is where is that going? Jenny O'Mahony: was like, that's so awesome. And then it was like, where are you gonna put it? Because they're big. So, Samantha Potter: Where Meagan Smith: They're huge, yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: and they're slow in the sense that if you're making these more elaborate things, it's like twenty four hours or more, depending Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: on what it is, right? So that it's all anyways, I'm super excited. And I think actually in a way it makes so much financial sense because my kids always we buy those 3D printed dragons as gifts for birthday parties. They're like a dollar to print. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yeah. It'll pay itself off. Meagan Smith: And whatever, depending on the size, they're yeah, they're so expensive. And they're upset like Isla just we have so many of them in this Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Meagan Smith: house. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. So I'm super that was the most long winded hyperfixation for something I'm not actually even doing, but I'm so fucking excited. Samantha Potter: Love it. Jenny O'Mahony: We can make beads Meagan Smith: Me too. Jenny O'Mahony: for crafting, guys. Beads. Samantha Potter: With the right letters. Meagan Smith: Excited. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, those bubbly letter beads, Whatever color we want. Samantha Potter: Not Meagan Smith: I'm excited for when you start doing it and hyperfixating on that. Jenny O'Mahony: My kids will be like, I want to make something with my present. I'll be like, fuck off. I'm making a lamp. Go away. Yeah, for Samantha Potter: No, I'm making it Meagan Smith: Yeah. Yeah. Take a week. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: the next fifty-six hours, this thing is mummies and it is making a lamp. Meagan Smith: I I love that. So good. Jenny O'Mahony: Well, I think that that sums it up. Meagan Smith: Yep. Have a good week. Samantha Potter: Yep. We'll see you guys next week. Jenny O'Mahony: Peep. Okay. Samantha Potter: Bye.