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Renowned Chef Found Murdered at Culinary Institute After Wife Writes Essay " How To Murder Your Husband." · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A renowned chef is murdered.
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Speaker 1: But who did it? Of course that's the question. I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation. And Sirius XM one eleven,
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Speaker 1: who is he? Listen to this? It's him. The last
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Speaker 1: thirty five years, I've had about one hundred and fifty
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Speaker 1: ventrom of gardens death by fineapple chutney, peach chutney, rubarb
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Speaker 1: ketchup team. I feel if people work with more ingredients,
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Speaker 1: they have a fuller understanding or what to do with them. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's our secret. That's a very secret process. One cuisine
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Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. Would I would opt
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Speaker 1: for Time cuisine? I think I would look some more way.
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Speaker 1: Who was great on that need? Something beside the letters
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Speaker 1: post to exit. I'd like to see the students compete
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Speaker 1: and the pure pressure that comes along from being in
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Speaker 1: a kitchen. I think we have done a kind of
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Speaker 1: a fun job of translating into the classroom. Kill look
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Speaker 1: more professional. You've got that diameter of chicken breast all
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Speaker 1: the way around, nice internal garnish scattering there, you know,
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Speaker 1: the eye catches all that color and shape is being
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Speaker 1: more flavorful. Toasting that crutime will give another dimension of
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Speaker 1: texture to this that the soft just reread won't. That
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Speaker 1: may sound like a cooking video like the ones I
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Speaker 1: see when I'm trying a new recipe, But what you're
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Speaker 1: actually hearing, in addition to analysis of various recipes, you're
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Speaker 1: hearing the voice of Daniel Brophy murdered. Not only was
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Speaker 1: he a renowned chef, he was a professor as well.
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Speaker 1: So how does he end up murder? No question about it.
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Speaker 1: He's murdered and who did it? Listen our fens at
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Speaker 1: koi n This is how most people remember Daniel Brophy.
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Speaker 1: A teacher, a chef, someone who cared about treating animals humanely.
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Speaker 1: Dominique Boza says she wouldn't have graduated the Oregan Culinary
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Speaker 1: Institute without his help. He was really tough. He was
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Speaker 1: really hard. He would call out some of the flaws
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Speaker 1: that you had so you can correct them. There was
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Speaker 1: a big flood that came down here and it buried
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Speaker 1: a bunch of things. She shared with us this video
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Speaker 1: of Brophy in his element knowledge, knowledge beyond belief. You
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Speaker 1: think you come into culinary school like wide eyed with
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Speaker 1: like the stream of being a chef, and he realizes, like,
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Speaker 1: you can do that. But there's a lot of things
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Speaker 1: you needed to know in between that. Just this weekend,
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Speaker 1: my son John David, and I were at a Greek
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Speaker 1: pastry shop and the lady was getting John David ordered
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Speaker 1: way too much, and the lady was getting it all
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Speaker 1: for him. And right beside her register was a big
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Speaker 1: picture of her And who I found out was her
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Speaker 1: son and a chef, and her son had won the
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Speaker 1: presidential award at the Culinary Institute. And I said, who
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Speaker 1: is that? And she said, that's my son, and she
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Speaker 1: was so proud. It was the epitome of years and
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Speaker 1: years at the best culinary institute in the world. And
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Speaker 1: here you see this chef beloved by all of his students,
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Speaker 1: or was he somebody didn't love him because he ends
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Speaker 1: up dead. So how did it all go down? Take
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Speaker 1: a listen, our cut four, our fancy kaight know exactly? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: a students, colleagues and loved ones gathered at the Oregon
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Speaker 1: Culinary Institute tonight to remember beloved chef Dan Brofy. He
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Speaker 1: was shot and killed over the weekend. Police still don't
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Speaker 1: know who killed him. Chef Dan Brophy ran Southless, Portland's
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Speaker 1: Oregon Culinary Institute. Students arriving for class the morning of
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Speaker 1: June second found Brofy dead inside the school. Is killer
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Speaker 1: nowhere to be found? Later that day, Nancy Crampton Brophy
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Speaker 1: appeared at a vigil. He was a person who he
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Speaker 1: loved teaching of fresh rooms. Nancy Crampton Brofy posted on
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Speaker 1: her Facebook page the next day a message announcing the
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Speaker 1: sad news of her husband's murder and added, I'm struggling
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Speaker 1: to make sense of everything right now. I'm just thinking
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Speaker 1: about how pri the owner of the pastry shop, was
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Speaker 1: that both she and her son, who will take over
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Speaker 1: the business someday, had graduated from Licourdon Blue, And thinking
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Speaker 1: about this chef taking all that time to teach his students,
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Speaker 1: take time with them, work with him, only for it
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Speaker 1: to end like this with me an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to make sense of what we know right now. Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author of Red Flags, host of Today with
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Speaker 1: Doctor Wendy CASEYBQ and you can find her Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: PhD dot com. Renowned psychologists joining us from the New
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Speaker 1: York Jurisdiction Karen is Stark at Karen Stark dot com.
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Speaker 1: Karen with a C. Lisa Daddio, former police lieutenant in
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Speaker 1: New Haven, now director of the Center for Advanced Policing
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Speaker 1: University New Haven's Forensic Science department. Doctor Tim Gallagher the
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Speaker 1: medical examine for the State of Florida. He has lecturer
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Speaker 1: University of Florida Medical School Forensic Medicine, and the founder
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Speaker 1: the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. You can find
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Speaker 1: them at Pathcareman dot com. But first I want to
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Speaker 1: go to Zane Sparling, reported with The Oregonian and Oregon Live. Zane,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Let's start with the
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Speaker 1: discovery of the body of the chef Daniel Brothy. Tell
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Speaker 1: me about it. Yeah, this was a really horrific and
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Speaker 1: traumatic event for these students who were coming in for
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Speaker 1: their live fire day. That's the day where Chef Brothy
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Speaker 1: would have simulated an actual kitchen, shouting out orders, actually
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Speaker 1: getting these tickets done in a timely fashion. So everyone
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Speaker 1: was actually arriving early that day that they were so
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Speaker 1: excited for this live fire presentation. Instead, they come into
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Speaker 1: this classroom and really discover Brothy's body. Proud on the ground.
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Speaker 1: He's been shot twice once and the first shot was
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Speaker 1: from the back, so someone shot him from behind, and
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Speaker 1: then he was shot again after he fell over, and
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Speaker 1: one shot him again in the chest. And these students
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Speaker 1: are coming in. They're trying to perform CPR, but there's
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Speaker 1: there's blood seeping out of the wounds. They think maybe
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Speaker 1: they've broken one of these ribs. And one of his
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Speaker 1: fellow instructors is trying to squeeze his hands and maybe
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Speaker 1: he'll squeeze back, but of course he doesn't. About what
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Speaker 1: time of the morning was that, Zane Sparling, Yeah, this
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Speaker 1: was pretty early before class. I want to say it
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Speaker 1: was around eight thirty am. So if we know his
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Speaker 1: custom and habit, we know what time he typically got
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Speaker 1: to class. Guys were talking about the murder of very
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Speaker 1: well known chef Daniel Brothy, not only in his own right,
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Speaker 1: but he was also a professor, a professor at the
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Speaker 1: Oregon Culinary Institute, doctor Tim Gallagher. How can we determine
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Speaker 1: and based on the discovery of the body, how long
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Speaker 1: he's been dead? Well, good question, Nancy. One of the
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Speaker 1: things that we can do is to determine his body temperature.
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Speaker 1: So the body loses one degree per hour for every
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Speaker 1: hour that it's dead. Another thing we could determine his
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Speaker 1: rigor so or rigga mortis is the stiffening of the body.
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Speaker 1: So the body will start to stiffen about an hour
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Speaker 1: to ninety minutes after death. If the body is not
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Speaker 1: in riga mortis, then we know that the death has
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Speaker 1: occurred sooner than one hour's time. Once the body starts
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Speaker 1: cooling down, does the body then stay at the ambyond
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Speaker 1: temperature of the room or does it decrease from that temperature?
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Speaker 1: It could only stay at the ambyond temperature of the room.
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Speaker 1: So if the room is a seventy two degrees, the
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Speaker 1: body will cool down one degree per hour until it
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Speaker 1: reaches seventy two degrees and then if the cooling process
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Speaker 1: will stop right there. What do you think about this
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Speaker 1: mode of death? Of course, there is the cause of death,
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Speaker 1: which would be gunshot wound. The manner of death would
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Speaker 1: be let's say I think they're five. There's accident, there's
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Speaker 1: natural causes which obviously this is not natural causes. There
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Speaker 1: is undetermined, and there's homicide. Am I missing one? Suicide? Yes, suicide,
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Speaker 1: so obviously it's not suicide. Because he was shot in
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Speaker 1: the back. Obviously it's not accident, because there's no weapon
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Speaker 1: around when these students get there. Obviously it's not natural causes.
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Speaker 1: So that only leads me homicide. It does right, and
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Speaker 1: once all the other modes of death or manners of
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Speaker 1: death are removed, the one that you are left with
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Speaker 1: is the one that you are required to put on
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Speaker 1: the death certificate. Let me ask you a question. This
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Speaker 1: is more of an anecdotal question, doctor Tim Gallagher. I've
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Speaker 1: seen people managed to met suicide with a long gun before,
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Speaker 1: where they rigged the gun, for instance, with a string
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Speaker 1: attached to their toe, and they hold the gun pointed
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Speaker 1: to them and they manage in some fantastical way to
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Speaker 1: commit suicide. That's few and far between. You ever seen
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Speaker 1: a suicide where the victims shot themselves in a back
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Speaker 1: I am not. Oh. The only one I've seen was
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Speaker 1: where some female had shot themselves in the back of
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Speaker 1: the head because they wanted their face to be presentable
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Speaker 1: during their funeral. But how did she do that? How
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Speaker 1: does she shoot herself in the back of the head.
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Speaker 1: You mean the direct back of the head or at
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Speaker 1: an angle. This was a direct back of the head
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Speaker 1: and she used a very small snub nosed twenty two
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Speaker 1: caliber gun to do so, so it was very easy
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Speaker 1: to do that. But no, as far as suicide goes,
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Speaker 1: typically they're on the side of the head, sometimes in
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Speaker 1: the forehead, under the chin, in the mouth, but very
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Speaker 1: very rarely. And I believe that was my only case
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Speaker 1: of a gunshot wound to the back of the head.
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Speaker 1: And I would not have known that if the gun
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Speaker 1: wasn't laying there. And she wrote a suicide note detailing
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Speaker 1: what she wanted after she expired. Let me thank The
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Speaker 1: question was, have you ever seen a suicide where someone
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Speaker 1: was shot in the back, where a suicide victim shot
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Speaker 1: themselves in the back? I mean, I can't even figure
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Speaker 1: out how they would do that without some sort of contraption, right,
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Speaker 1: that would be a novel one to me, I have
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Speaker 1: not seen that, nor have I heard that time stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Okay, we're going off on a tangent.
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Speaker 1: And I was the one that took us there, because
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Speaker 1: if there had been a suicide in that matter, the
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Speaker 1: contraption would still be there. So needless to say, okay, there,
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Speaker 1: I went off on this for a reason. To Lisa Daddio,
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Speaker 1: think about it. He's obviously shot first in the back
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Speaker 1: because he's found lying on his back, face up. Then
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Speaker 1: he shot in the chest. It's as if somebody wanted
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Speaker 1: to make sure he's dead, but they didn't want to
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Speaker 1: shoot him in the head in the face. Interesting, right, absolutely?
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Speaker 1: You know, I would think that the first shot to
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Speaker 1: the back was probably maybe initially as an attempt so
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Speaker 1: that he didn't see who was shooting him, and then
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Speaker 1: the second shot would have been to make sure that
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Speaker 1: he in fact was deceased. Now, let's think about that.
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Speaker 1: Think about it, Karen Stark, I think we need a shrink, Karen,
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Speaker 1: think about the mindset required to shoot somebody in the
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Speaker 1: back and then walk over, turn them over and gahoo,
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure he's really dead. Kind of make sure
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Speaker 1: he's really really really dead, as they say in the
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Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz, is she really really truly dead? So
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Speaker 1: then with the guy probably looking them in the face,
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Speaker 1: put another cap on them. Total disregard for the person
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Speaker 1: that's being killed. Absolutely know, maybe at first, shooting from
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Speaker 1: behind that makes sense. You don't want them to see you,
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Speaker 1: you have some feelings, But then you turn them over
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Speaker 1: and think maybe they're alive. So you shoot them again.
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Speaker 1: You could care less about this person. No feelings, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: absolutely no connection to this person that they killed. So
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Speaker 1: I guess the very first thing is ain't sparling joining us?
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Speaker 1: Oh hold on, they't let me throw this. Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: California Prosecutor. I guess the first thing they would do,
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Speaker 1: cops would be to close down the campus, close down
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Speaker 1: the building. If the killer still in the building, you
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Speaker 1: would want to trap them in there. And it's bringing
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Speaker 1: to mind the case I believe. Would you look the
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Speaker 1: subject Anna Lee? Yeah, Lisa Daddio, you worked on that case,
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick. Anna Lee went into the building at her
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Speaker 1: university where she was a researcher, super smart, and she
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Speaker 1: never came back out. And one of the first things
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Speaker 1: they did was start cold everybody in the building find
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Speaker 1: out who was there. Then they started using keycard evidence
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Speaker 1: to figure out who had gone in and out of
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Speaker 1: the building. So I guess in this case. Oh and
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Speaker 1: by the way, she never left the building. The killer
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Speaker 1: put her in a wall. Isn't that right, Lisa Daddio, Yes,
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Speaker 1: it is Nancy. So in this case, Wendy Patrick, I
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Speaker 1: guess the very first thing I would do is stop
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Speaker 1: anybody from leaving that building, Pronti, and in fact the
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Speaker 1: whole campus. Yeah. Absolutely, that's absolutely the number one best
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Speaker 1: way to make sure that God forbid at the shooter
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Speaker 1: is still there, still arm dangerous, that we make sure
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Speaker 1: that we get him or her. You know, I was
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Speaker 1: thinking about the way this came down a little differently.
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Speaker 1: You know, we don't know that the shooters shot in
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Speaker 1: the back and then turned the body over. It could
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Speaker 1: be the shooter shot in the back to disarm and
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Speaker 1: disable this beloved chef and professor, and then the professor
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Speaker 1: ended up trying to get up turning over, and then
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Speaker 1: of course the final kill shot was administered. So just
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Speaker 1: looking at the positioning and the original scene, obviously, yes,
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Speaker 1: of course you're going to do all the lockdown, but
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Speaker 1: then we're going to have to really start out from
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Speaker 1: there trying to decide how exactly this happened and how
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Speaker 1: exactly because that's going to help us not only find
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Speaker 1: the suspect, but find motives. I gotta tell you, just
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Speaker 1: maybe thank something, Wendy Patrick. I remember the Fulton County
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Speaker 1: courthouse shooting. They're multiple victims. They had to rope off
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Speaker 1: the courtroom where several of my friends were shot dead.
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Speaker 1: It took them literally days to process the crime scene.
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Speaker 1: And I remember one of my best friends in the office,
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Speaker 1: al co prosecutor with me, was called in to help
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Speaker 1: the medical examiners, investigators homicide process the scene and it
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Speaker 1: was excruciating for him to have to process the scene
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Speaker 1: where our friends were murdered. And I'm just thinking about
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Speaker 1: all the students there as they're processing the scene like
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Speaker 1: you just described. Zane Sparling joined me from the Oregonian
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Speaker 1: and Oregon Live dot com. Zane, what was the first
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Speaker 1: thing cops did to try to identify the shooter? Nswer?
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Speaker 1: They did a couple of things. First, they were looking
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Speaker 1: to see whether this could have been a random robbery
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Speaker 1: and burglary, and they were able to rule that out
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Speaker 1: pretty quickly because they noticed that chef Dan Bropy still
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Speaker 1: had his wallet, had his keys, had his phone. There's
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Speaker 1: some valuable kitchen supplies and equipment there in the Colonna institude,
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Speaker 1: and all that stuff was essentially untouched. They found all
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Speaker 1: of that remaining at the scene. And the next thing
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Speaker 1: they were really doing is looking first to get these
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Speaker 1: students away from the crime scene. They had them all
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Speaker 1: at a separate room, and they had their put their
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Speaker 1: hands on top of the table so that they could
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Speaker 1: interview these people separately. And they're also looking for surveillance
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Speaker 1: footage and what they their hands on top of the table. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I can tell you why they did that in case
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Speaker 1: the part was still there and had a gun, and
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Speaker 1: to try and preserve their hands in case one of
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Speaker 1: them was a shooter, so they could get GSR gunshot
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Speaker 1: residue off their hands or the cuffs of their shirts.
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Speaker 1: And I mean almost all it takes is for you
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Speaker 1: to go rub your hands. It's like baby powder. It's gone.
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Speaker 1: So I'm sure they wanted all their hands visible. Okay,
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Speaker 1: go ahead. The only other thing that they were able
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Speaker 1: to pull is that there were no crime There were
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Speaker 1: no surveillance cameras in the institute either inside. There no camera,
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Speaker 1: no footage, and no witnesses. Okay, wait a minute, that's
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Speaker 1: on my list to ask you were there surveillance cams
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Speaker 1: and you're saying no, there were no cameras. They were
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Speaker 1: able to pull some footage from nearby streets because there
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Speaker 1: are some light rail train stations in the area and
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Speaker 1: those have cameras, but nothing showing people going in and
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Speaker 1: out of the building itself, or what happened inside. I
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Speaker 1: know you'd think this day and age saying that they
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Speaker 1: would have security cams out the ying Yang. Another question
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Speaker 1: to you, doctor Tim Gallagher. I'm thinking about time of death,
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Speaker 1: which is so crucial here. Okay, so the dead body
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Speaker 1: is lying there, it goes into rigor. Let's just say
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Speaker 1: hour to ninety minutes after it goes into rigor, after
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Speaker 1: a certain stiffening, After a certain time in rigor, do
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Speaker 1: the limbs then loosen up on their own? Yes, they do, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: A rigor depending on of course, the ambient temperature will
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Speaker 1: last from about twenty four to about thirty six hours
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Speaker 1: or so, and then after that the muscles will relax,
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Speaker 1: the body will become again floppy, and then riggor would
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Speaker 1: have already passed. So if there's no rigor, it will
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Speaker 1: usually mean that the body has not been dead longer
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Speaker 1: than an hour, or the body has been dead longer
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Speaker 1: than thirty six hours to go beyond the rigor. The
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Speaker 1: reason I'm asking is, I'm trying to set up a
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Speaker 1: timeline here. But we know it hadn't been twenty four
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Speaker 1: hours because he was seen the night before. All right.
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Speaker 1: So the case progresses in Zane sparling, they get nothing
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Speaker 1: from the students, No secret love affair, no anger between
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Speaker 1: the students and Professor Brothy, nothing like that. Correct, that's correct.
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Speaker 1: He was beloved. You know, when you find out a professor,
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Speaker 1: a male professor, has been gunned down at school, many
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Speaker 1: people immediately think h's having an affair with a student
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Speaker 1: and all went wrong. That there was nothing like that here,
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Speaker 1: but they did notice this. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut eighteen. This is Lindsay natrid AKGW eight. Nancy has
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Speaker 1: written several novels, and in twenty eleven also wrote an
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Speaker 1: essay called how to Murder Your Husband. In it, she writes,
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Speaker 1: I find it as easier to wish people dead than
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Speaker 1: to actually kill them. I don't want to worry about
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Speaker 1: blood and brains splattered on my walls, and really I'm
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Speaker 1: not good at remembering lies. But the thing I know
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Speaker 1: about murder is that every one of us has it
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Speaker 1: in him or her when pushed far enough. Zane, who
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Speaker 1: is Nancy? Nancy is chef Daniel Brokey's wife of many years.
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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting. I've seen a lot of homicide scenes,
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Speaker 1: and I've written a lot of books about murders murder mysteries,
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Speaker 1: but I've never actually even thought once, even once until
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Speaker 1: right now, about having blood quote blood and brains splattered
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Speaker 1: on my walls. Now, I will tell you this. When
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Speaker 1: I write murder mysteries, my husband David, of course, it's
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Speaker 1: forced to read them. And in one scene, I had
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Speaker 1: a victim killed at Gatorland, and as it just so
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Speaker 1: happened that following summer, we took the twins to Gatorland
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Speaker 1: or gator World or whatever it's called. And my husband,
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Speaker 1: before he got out of the car, asked me, was
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Speaker 1: this a setup? Of course it was not. He's still
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Speaker 1: alive and with us. But you know, that's a pretty
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Speaker 1: damning thing for his wife to write and then how
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Speaker 1: to murder your husband, and then her husband ends up murdered. Right,
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Speaker 1: So who brought that to the attention of police? I'm curious. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's actually something that we reported first in the Oregonian,
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Speaker 1: and so you came up with and congratulations, congratulations a
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Speaker 1: different reporter. But I can't take all the credits. I'm
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Speaker 1: just still giving you the credit. That's very modest of
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Speaker 1: Usane's barling. So the Oregonian first dug it up. Well,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't just her novels full of sex and romance
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Speaker 1: with steamy, hot body scenes, but there was more. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our Fancy Katu. Two investigators say Nancy
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Speaker 1: Brophy lied about where she was the morning her husband's
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Speaker 1: body was found here at the Oregon Culinary Institute. They
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Speaker 1: also say she lied about life insurance. This is the
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Speaker 1: article Portland police say Nancy Brophy wrote and posted in
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Speaker 1: twenty eleven entitled how to Murder your husband. Daniel and
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Speaker 1: Nancy shared a joint iTunes account and that someone on
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Speaker 1: it had recently bookmarked an article titled ten ways to
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Speaker 1: cover up a murder. Okay, Wendy Patrick to self, do
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Speaker 1: not share it account with murder victim. Well, not only that,
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Speaker 1: you know, you have to think about why somebody would
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Speaker 1: be researching these things to begin with. Now her out
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Speaker 1: would be well, I'm a novel as they create fiction.
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Speaker 1: But that may be true, but still the interest in
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Speaker 1: some of these topics gets a little dark, especially when
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Speaker 1: thinking that everybody feels this way, as you just mentioned.
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Speaker 1: So that's a big that's a big clue. Crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace Karen start Wendy Patrick has a point.
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Speaker 1: If you were to look at my laptop, you would
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Speaker 1: see all sorts of searches about poisons and bodies and
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Speaker 1: just all sorts of info related to murder. So a
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Speaker 1: computer searches not a murder case. Make that that's true, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and I guess if you are writing a novel or
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Speaker 1: about that, you would find that. But if you keep
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Speaker 1: finding specific things about murdering a husband and your husband
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Speaker 1: is murdered, then then you have to wonder what's going
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Speaker 1: on that this person is looking for twenty ways to
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Speaker 1: murder your husband or a murder. I don't agree. I
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Speaker 1: think that the reason why she would write that everybody
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Speaker 1: is capable of murder if pushed fly enough, because that
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Speaker 1: is not true, absolutely not true. So somewhere in her
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Speaker 1: brain she knew she was capable of murder and projected
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Speaker 1: it onto everybody else. Well, put Karen Stock and I
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Speaker 1: agree with you, to doctor Tim Gallagh or how long
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Speaker 1: since this was not a shot in the head, how
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Speaker 1: long do you think Chef Brothy would have lain there died. Well,
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Speaker 1: getting shot by a rifle is a lot different than
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Speaker 1: getting shot by a handgun. A rifle has a more
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Speaker 1: powerful bullet and it causes a lot more damage. When
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Speaker 1: the bullet went entered into his body, most likely it
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Speaker 1: broke a rib or another bone. That those bones charge
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Speaker 1: went into the lungs, they went into the heart. The
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Speaker 1: bullet continued through the rest of the body and did
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Speaker 1: even more damage. I would estimate that he was probably
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Speaker 1: conscious no longer than thirty seconds. You know after the
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Speaker 1: initial gunshot. Will thirty seconds is long enough to lay
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Speaker 1: in the floor. And now you're you know, so it's
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Speaker 1: you zaying sparling at the Oregonian and Oreganlive dot com.
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Speaker 1: You guys got in the ball rolling when you dug
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Speaker 1: up the wife's article on how to murder your husband
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Speaker 1: her essay. But it's not just the article, it's not
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Speaker 1: just her novels about sex and murder. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut twenty our Fancy Katu Tube. Investigators say
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Speaker 1: Nancy told them she'd bought a nine millimeter pistol at
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Speaker 1: a gun show in February twenty eighteen. They say the
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Speaker 1: two bullets that hit Daniel Brophy did not match that gun,
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Speaker 1: but investigators say they later discovered Nancy had bought a
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Speaker 1: kit online from ghostguns dot Com to make a similar,
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Speaker 1: untraceable version of the pistol. They also say she bought
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Speaker 1: gun parts like a slide barrel online and that the
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Speaker 1: gun end accessories match the bullets that hit Daniel. Police
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Speaker 1: also say Nancy lied to about her location the morning
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Speaker 1: Daniel was found. They say she told them she was
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Speaker 1: at her Beavergeon home when surveillance videos showed her driving
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Speaker 1: her minivan on Jefferson outside the Culinary Institute the four
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Speaker 1: Daniel's body was found. Investigators also saying Nancy told them
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Speaker 1: she'd taken out a forty thousand dollars life insurance policy
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Speaker 1: on Daniel. They say they later discovered she was a
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Speaker 1: beneficiary of several policies valued at more than three hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand bucks three hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Okay,
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Speaker 1: the lying Zane Sparling joining us from The Oregonian. When
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Speaker 1: someone lies, it paints every other thing they do with
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Speaker 1: a nefarious stroke. Why would she lie and what exactly
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Speaker 1: is a ghost gun? Explain it to us, Zane sure
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Speaker 1: will Now, the defense attorney for Nancy Brokey is going
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Speaker 1: to bring an argument in court right now in these
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Speaker 1: coming days that due to the trauma she'd experienced. That
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Speaker 1: Nancy Brophy had gaps in her memory. But what the
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Speaker 1: prosecution is talking about is that Nancy had access to
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Speaker 1: multiple guns. There was that glock pistol that was mentioned
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Speaker 1: just a moment ago. Now they found that gun in
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Speaker 1: the house, but they noticed that the barrel had been
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Speaker 1: replaced right the barrels, which gives those markings that forensic
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Speaker 1: experts can use to match the bullet to the gun.
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Speaker 1: The barrel had been replaced inexpert bly, it was not
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Speaker 1: the same barrel that hadn't been put on right. And
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Speaker 1: she had actually bought a ghost gun too, right, that's
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Speaker 1: an untraceable, no serial number, no federal tracking. You just
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Speaker 1: put in your credit card online and someone sends you
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Speaker 1: a kit to build a gun. But it's actually very
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Speaker 1: complicated to build a ghost gun, and Nancy, who was
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Speaker 1: a writer, did not have the tools or the skills
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Speaker 1: necessary to actually build it. So the gun was found.
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Speaker 1: The ghost gun was recovered by police, but it was
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Speaker 1: never assembled, And the defense attorneys are actually claiming that
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Speaker 1: she bought it for research, right, because she's a romance
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Speaker 1: and crime novelist, so they're saying this was just part
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Speaker 1: of her writing process. Buying a ghost gun. Specifically, a
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Speaker 1: ghost gun is designed to avoid all gun laws. They
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Speaker 1: are untraceable, they are unserialized, like on your car, for instance,
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Speaker 1: you've got a vin v I N number. It's like
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Speaker 1: a fingerprint to your car, and they're very hard to remove.
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Speaker 1: They're engraved on metal and really drilled into your car.
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Speaker 1: You have to really work hard to get that vennumber out.
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Speaker 1: Guns have serialized numbers as well. You can get a
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Speaker 1: ghost gun without any type of a background check. It's
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Speaker 1: totally secret. So the fact that a ghost gun is
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Speaker 1: coming into play is very, very disturbing. I want you
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Speaker 1: to take a listen to what neighbors think. Our cut seven,
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Speaker 1: our Francy ko I n I think it's a surprise
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Speaker 1: to everybody in the neighborhood. As an author, she's been
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Speaker 1: writing steamy romance novels filled with murder mysteries. Her neighbors say,
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Speaker 1: if there were troubles in the marriage, they never knew it.
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Speaker 1: Totally quiet, more naring people from what I could observes
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Speaker 1: Christmas well, she may have been tight lipped with neighbors.
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Speaker 1: Nancy expressed her fillings on Facebook shortly after Daniel's deaph,
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Speaker 1: calling him her best friend in the months since her husband,
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Speaker 1: beloved chef Daniel Brofy was killed. So explain to me
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Speaker 1: the nature of their relationship, Zanes Parling deep been married
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Speaker 1: more than twenty years. Nancy and Daniel Brofy seemed on
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Speaker 1: the surface to have the perfect marriage. Nancy wrote once
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Speaker 1: that the reason she married Daniel is because she was
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Speaker 1: in the tub expect him to come join her, and
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Speaker 1: he calls out, Sure, but let me finish the Hondavors verse. Right,
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Speaker 1: she's serving him, he's serving her food. He was a
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Speaker 1: very talented chef. And again, the defense has produced a
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Speaker 1: number of letters and voicemails suggesting that they had a
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Speaker 1: very happy relationship, at least on the surface. There really
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Speaker 1: weren't a lot of problems except for money troubles. They
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Speaker 1: were in serious trouble with their mortgage, credit card debt,
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Speaker 1: and we're really looking to sell part of their home
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Speaker 1: because self part of their land, because of how much
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Speaker 1: money troubles they were in. How in the world did
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Speaker 1: they give to so much money trouble? You know it, well,
31:39
Speaker 1: it's it's a very interesting thing. Nancy Brothy her day
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Speaker 1: job was to sell life insurance policies, and as we
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Speaker 1: heard earlier. She actually had one point four million in
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Speaker 1: that she stood to collect from Daniel's death, and that
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Speaker 1: meant that every month, even the months they couldn't pay
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Speaker 1: their mortgage, she was paying over a thousand dollars to
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Speaker 1: keep up all these premiums on these life insurance policies.
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Speaker 1: Lisa Daddy O money. The love of money, the root
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Speaker 1: of all evil. It's been said a million times. They
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Speaker 1: had a fine marriage, no problem, They just had money problems.
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Speaker 1: When she wouldn't pay other bills, she would pay that
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Speaker 1: life insurance policy a thousand dollars a month. Did you
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Speaker 1: hear that? I did? It's one of those wows, right,
32:28
Speaker 1: talk about circumstantial. Those types of things are going to
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Speaker 1: be interesting as the case proceeds to find out all
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Speaker 1: these details leading up to motives guys. Nancy Brophy steamy
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Speaker 1: romance novelist, also the author of an essay on how
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Speaker 1: to Murder your husband. That's her title, not mine. Now
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Speaker 1: in the crosshairs of prosecutors who believe she is the
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Speaker 1: one who murdered her husband, and for what read an
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Speaker 1: According to Zane Sprawling with or The Oregonian, it's about money.
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Speaker 1: So what were they spending their money on Zane. What
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Speaker 1: do we know. Did they live extravagantly. They certainly didn't
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Speaker 1: have an extravagant lifestyle. Prosecutors haven't shown evidence as shuts,
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Speaker 1: there was overspending, and it's worth noting that Chef Brokey
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Speaker 1: was looking to retire. He had actually shifted just to work.
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Speaker 1: He on weekends and he was working in a care
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Speaker 1: facility too, So they were trying to and Nancy had
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Speaker 1: really was not earning money. She had previous times, but
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Speaker 1: she didn't She wasn't earning in the years leading up
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Speaker 1: to her husband's death, so they didn't have a lot
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Speaker 1: of income. They lived on a very large lot in Beaverton,
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Speaker 1: so they had those property taxes deal with. There was
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Speaker 1: some splurging on the credit card bills, they had credit
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Speaker 1: card debt, and of course, really again all these life
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Speaker 1: insurance fault these ten different policies one point five million
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Speaker 1: it'll payout if Chef Daniel Brofy were to die. You know,
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Speaker 1: they were using all their money to pay off credit cards,
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Speaker 1: just make monthly payments. They must have been living really
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Speaker 1: high on the hog. But I find it really almost
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Speaker 1: laughable and I just can't wait to find out. Oh
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Speaker 1: the reaction to this, She actually says that Brofy bought
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Speaker 1: a ghost gun kit to put together a ghost gun
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Speaker 1: and viewed it as a jigsaw puzzle, like it was
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Speaker 1: a game to her to put together. I believe an
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Speaker 1: automatic weapon. That's just a fantastical Lisa Daddio as we
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Speaker 1: call it in the law bs gable technical terms, that's
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Speaker 1: a load of horse crap right there, bought a gun,
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Speaker 1: an automatic weapon as a kind of like a parlor game,
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Speaker 1: a jigsaw puzzle. Really, it just none of it makes
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Speaker 1: sense in that way, and it leads you to like
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Speaker 1: kind of scratch her head and be like, well, what
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Speaker 1: type of person does that unless there's some other type
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Speaker 1: of motive or carry a motive to all of it,
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Speaker 1: and just there's other things you can do if if
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Speaker 1: that's the way you want to kind of you know,
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Speaker 1: like yeah, exactly, you know, get a cross rod puzzle,
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Speaker 1: get a jigsaw puzzle, exactly, take less an hour, cut
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Speaker 1: six our friends at ABC thirteen. Day after his murder,
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Speaker 1: Brothy's wife, Nancy Crampton Brophy posted a statement on Facebook.
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Speaker 1: It read, in part, I have sad news to relate
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Speaker 1: my husband and best friend, chef Dan Brophy was killed
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Speaker 1: yesterday morning. I'm struggling to make sense of everything right now.
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Speaker 1: While I appreciate your loving responses, I am overwhelmed. We
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Speaker 1: now know Nancy was arrested Wednesday at her home in Beaverton,
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Speaker 1: and today appeared for the first time in court. According
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Speaker 1: to the DA's office, she's facing one charge of murder
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Speaker 1: with a firearm, constituting domestic violence. This news has shocked
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Speaker 1: their community. The couple's neighbor tells us they were pretty
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Speaker 1: quiet and never really saw them together very often. While
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Speaker 1: Dan Todd at OCI, Nancy worked from home. She's the
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Speaker 1: author of several romance novels, including one titled The Wrong Husband.
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Speaker 1: On her website, she relays stories about her marriage, calling
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Speaker 1: her husband mister Wright and writing, can you imagine spending
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Speaker 1: the rest of your life without a man like that? Who? So?
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Speaker 1: Is it money or sex? I'm trying to figure that
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Speaker 1: one out. But again, the state never has to prove motive.
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Speaker 1: To Zane Sparling, Let's talk about something concrete, not just
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Speaker 1: our speculation or what a jury may speculate upon. What
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Speaker 1: does the surveillance videos show about her? Nancy provis van
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Speaker 1: the morning of the shooting, In particular, an eighteen minute disappearance.
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Speaker 1: That's right. So the surveillance footage from those nearby traffic
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Speaker 1: cameras shows a vehicle that matches the descriptions of Nancy
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Speaker 1: Brothy's vehicle cruising around. The word prosecutors have used the
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Speaker 1: vision is staking out the property that Oregon Culinary Institute
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Speaker 1: where the murder occurred. So you see this vehicle, this
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Speaker 1: gold colors, uh, you know, minivan cruising around the streets.
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Speaker 1: You don't quite see it parking, and then you see
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Speaker 1: it leaving. And there's that that crucial gap that prosecutors
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Speaker 1: have matched to the time of death early in the
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Speaker 1: morning in twenty eighteen. And it what it matters is
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Speaker 1: that when detectives went to do a death notification with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Brosey and tell her that her her husband was dead,
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Speaker 1: which at this point she wasn't a suspect. When they
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Speaker 1: went to tell her, Nancy was perfectly happy to talk.
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Speaker 1: She recounted her whole day. She said her husband got up,
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Speaker 1: took a shower, left, that she just sat in bed
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Speaker 1: and never left her home. And yet now the prosecutors
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Speaker 1: in court this very day are making the case that
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Speaker 1: there are these telltale dents in the vehicle that Nancy owned,
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Speaker 1: and in the vehicle shown in the traffic footage, which
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Speaker 1: proves that her car was apparently circling the murder scene
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Speaker 1: just minutes before it occurred. Now, isn't it true at
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Speaker 1: one point she or her longer stage she was at
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Speaker 1: a Starbucks at the time he was murdered. She didn't
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Speaker 1: claim that she went to got her usual order at
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Speaker 1: the Starbucks drive through, so that she would have left
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Speaker 1: her home for a few minutes. But Beaverton and downtown
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Speaker 1: Portland are not at all close together. It would take
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Speaker 1: you about, you know, thirty to forty minutes to get
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Speaker 1: downtown from their location in Beaverton, So there's no way
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Speaker 1: that a quick trip to the coffee shop would take
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Speaker 1: that long. There's nothing quick about Starbucks. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you know that or not. My daughter is taken
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Speaker 1: to some exotic Starbucks drink. I mean I had to
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Speaker 1: write it down so I could say the drive through
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Speaker 1: it's never fast, Wendy Patrick, don't you just love it
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Speaker 1: when suspects change or embellish their story to a point
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Speaker 1: is completely unbelievable. First, she stayed home all day and
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Speaker 1: then oops, I was at a Starbuck when this happened.
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Speaker 1: But why is her car her van circling the crime scene? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's true. Credibility counts. That's the understatement of the day.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about a jigsaw puzzle that does
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Speaker 1: fit together. It sounds like that's what we're learning regarding
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Speaker 1: where she was the morning of the murder. And yes,
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Speaker 1: that not only fits together perfectly circumstantially, but as a timeline.
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Speaker 1: And you're right, I love Starbucks too, and that story
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Speaker 1: doesn't fit this. I don't love Starbucks because why would
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Speaker 1: I pay five dollars for a cup of coffee? But hey,
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Speaker 1: you can go ahead and throw all your a money away.
39:37
Speaker 1: You cannot live in a Starbucks cup when you're seventy five.
39:40
Speaker 1: Just keep that in mind. Guys. The defense is painting
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Speaker 1: them as a couple madly in love, that she nurtured
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Speaker 1: their relationship, and the defense has just scored a big
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Speaker 1: win in court. To Zane Sparling joining us from The Oregonian,
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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about the fate of how
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Speaker 1: to Murder your husband? The essay? Well, the jury ever
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Speaker 1: see that it will never see the light of day.
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Speaker 1: Of course, the jury is forbidden from following any news
40:09
Speaker 1: coverage or listening to this podcast about what has been
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Speaker 1: excluded in court. And the judge in this case in
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Speaker 1: Multima County Circuit Court has ruled that because this essay
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Speaker 1: was written back in twenty eleven when Nancy Brothy was
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Speaker 1: joining a writer's group, he says it doesn't have probitive value,
40:26
Speaker 1: that it could mislead the jury. That's prosecutors that hope
40:29
Speaker 1: to bring it up in their opening statement, but they
40:32
Speaker 1: had to take it out because right before the jury
40:34
Speaker 1: came into the room, the judge ruled, you've got to
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Speaker 1: strike this essay and it is and the how to
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Speaker 1: murder your husband essay will not be heard before the jury.
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Speaker 1: A major boo boo by the judge. It clearly goes
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Speaker 1: to her frame of mind. Okay, we wait for that
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Speaker 1: jury verdict. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, Goodbye friend,