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Whatever Happened to Mac Tonight? · Ridiculous History

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to
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Speaker 1: the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much
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Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's hear it for our super producer,
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Speaker 1: the man, the myth, the legend, the mascot, mister Max Williams.
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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm a Max like item. Yes, you are the
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Speaker 2: Big Max.
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Speaker 1: Do you come with a combo?
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Speaker 2: Though?
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Speaker 3: Only if you get the kids meal?
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Speaker 1: I mean, what are you happy?
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Speaker 2: Happy happy meal whatever?
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Speaker 3: I haven't eaten McDonald's Max edition.
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Speaker 4: You're a human happy meal though, And I'm sorry I
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Speaker 4: called you when I said I hate when people call
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Speaker 4: me big man or big guy what ever?
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Speaker 2: Really big bug bugs me?
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Speaker 4: So when I called you Big Max, it was just
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Speaker 4: a reference to Big Max the sandwich. It wasn't saying
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Speaker 4: that you're like some sort of stocky fellow.
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Speaker 3: I have my old friend Chelsea. I would call her
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Speaker 3: oll there. I'm like, what a big I say big
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Speaker 3: guy people all the time. She's like, stop calling me
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Speaker 3: big guy. Was like, all right, big girl. That would
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Speaker 3: knock over well.
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Speaker 4: And I should probably stop taking it personally because it's
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Speaker 4: probably not the way I'm here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, most people are kind of talking to themselves. When
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Speaker 1: they talk to folks. You know, I used to have
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Speaker 1: an issue with people calling me buddy because in the
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Speaker 1: United States, it's usually deployed in a condescending tone, which
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Speaker 1: is different, weirdly enough, from Bud. Bud is like a
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Speaker 1: respectful fist bump in a conversation. That that dulcin tone
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Speaker 1: you're hearing. By the way, ridiculous historians is none other
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Speaker 1: than mister Noel Brown because and they they have often
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Speaker 1: called me Ben Bullen. On this show. Today we are
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Speaker 1: exploring a story of ridiculous fast food history. It's just
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Speaker 1: before our cutoff, right, because historically, arbitrarily we determined history
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Speaker 1: cuts off with Max the superhero apartheid Gorilla. That's right,
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Speaker 1: what a guy, what a prime Indeed, and you know
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Speaker 1: Noel back. Not too too long ago, we explored the
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Speaker 1: mythology of McDonald's, of their their excellent work with mascots,
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Speaker 1: their yeah pantheon just so, and now we're looking at
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Speaker 1: with the help of our research associate Jeff Bartlett, we
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Speaker 1: are looking at a guy we didn't talk much about
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Speaker 1: in our two part episode on McDonald's and their mascots,
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Speaker 1: which by the way, featured Jonathan Strickland aka the quister.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, how long ago is that?
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Speaker 1: Well, he was, he was behaving for most of it.
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Speaker 2: He was but a young quister.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, he was a quizzling uh with a Z,
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Speaker 1: not the not the very mean word. Do you know
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Speaker 1: the word quizzling?
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Speaker 2: I don't think I did. S.
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Speaker 1: Quizzling with an s uh means a trader who collaborates
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Speaker 1: with the enemy.
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Speaker 2: Good. I mean, that's not too far off from from
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Speaker 2: the quist.
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Speaker 1: I mean it is kind of in his character's DNA. Well,
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Speaker 1: who is this missing character we're exploring tonight?
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Speaker 2: Noel, Oh tonight.
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Speaker 4: Indeed, we would be tonight for this episode for sure,
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Speaker 4: because it is absolutely a nighttime character, a nighttime figure, uh,
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Speaker 4: a McDonald's mascot for the for the grown ups, you know,
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Speaker 4: whereas all the other ones, the Hamburglar, mayor mccheese, the
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Speaker 4: Grimace of that pantheon we previously mentioned, they're much more
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Speaker 4: geared towards children. But mac Tonight, which is an odd name,
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Speaker 4: it's like sort of like a concept more than a name,
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Speaker 4: was indeed a fictional McDonald's mascot character figure that was
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Speaker 4: featured in commercials running for a pretty brief window of time.
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Speaker 4: From nineteen eighty six to nineteen eighty nine. He was
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Speaker 4: a sort of a Sinatra esque fellow that wouldn't seem
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Speaker 4: out of place in a cigarette advertisement. I've always pictured
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Speaker 4: like he should have had, like a cigarette hanging from
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Speaker 4: his not moonshaped lips.
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Speaker 2: His head was moonshaped, though, but his lips were normal.
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Speaker 4: Wearing sunglasses, often seen sitting at a piano. Bit of
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Speaker 4: a crooner, m hm yeah, yeah, sort of a mix
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Speaker 4: of Max's Headroom and Kinski from Night Breed if you
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Speaker 4: remember that adaptation of the Clive Barker novel.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Moon Moonface, I believe in the movie in any case.
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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, he's he's a cool guy, tickling the keys,
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Speaker 1: tickling the ivory. And his whole thing is, first off,
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Speaker 1: he wears sunglasses at night, and secondly, he wants you
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Speaker 1: to know that he very much wants you to know
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Speaker 1: that McDonald's is a late night place. It's not just
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Speaker 1: for the kiddos at eleven am. It's also McDonald's after Doug.
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Speaker 2: McDonald's for Danner, y'all mac tonight. Get it? See pretty smart?
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Speaker 2: I mean I totally understand it.
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Speaker 4: Where sometimes companies get such a reputation for one thing
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Speaker 4: that they need to remind consumers. No, we're not just
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Speaker 4: for the kids. We're dangerous. Check out mac Tonight. Look
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Speaker 4: at this guy.
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Speaker 2: He was even based on a song about murder most foul.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Yes, And as a fan of Bertil Breckt, this is
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Speaker 1: especially interesting to me. At least some people found the
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Speaker 1: guy charming, some people found him off.
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Speaker 2: Putting, some found him downright Brechtian right.
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Speaker 1: And there are machinery, a theater joke, and there is
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Speaker 1: a mystery afoot. We are over the moon to show
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Speaker 1: you why, explore together how this character became so famous
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Speaker 1: and then rejected, and why mac Tonight is possibly not
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Speaker 1: coming back. But before we do that, we want to
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Speaker 1: talk about the very first mascot for McDonald's, which is
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Speaker 1: just a goofy guy. He's just lovable.
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Speaker 2: He's a goofy guy.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 4: We're talking about Speedy McDonald, McDonald, the creepy clown, Hamburglar, Grimace,
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Speaker 4: you know, all the hits the pantheon we talked about.
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Speaker 4: We're not always the ambassadors of McDonald's that we know
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Speaker 4: them as today. Of course, this is out of the
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Speaker 4: side of the scope of this episode, but you know,
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Speaker 4: McDonald's was in fact created initially by people with the
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Speaker 4: name McDonald. Richard and Maurice McDonald introduced the concept of
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Speaker 4: fast food and were then bought out and screwed over
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Speaker 4: by ray E Krock, which you can see the story
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Speaker 4: of that portrayed in the excellent film The Founder starring
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Speaker 4: Michael Keaton as I guess the titular founder, although he
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Speaker 4: wasn't really the founder. In fact, the founders were Richard
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Speaker 4: and Maurice McDonald's.
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Speaker 1: He was like the popularizer, that's right.
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Speaker 4: He saw the vision that they already kind of had,
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Speaker 4: but he saw dollar signs and like he already you know,
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Speaker 4: was envisioning that. However, many billions served that you see
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Speaker 4: on the McDonald's golden arches sign.
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Speaker 1: And the crazy uniformity with the sesame seeds and so on.
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Speaker 1: That's croc. I love that you're bringing this up. When
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Speaker 1: Richard and Maurice mac McDonald, when they introduce McDonald as
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Speaker 1: a concept, they also introduce what is called the Speedy
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Speaker 1: Service System spe DE, and they sort of anticipated the
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Speaker 1: rise of what we call fast food today. This system
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Speaker 1: asked customers to walk up to a window to get
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Speaker 1: their own food. You didn't sit at a table and
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Speaker 1: get a server to come to you.
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Speaker 4: They got rid of the middleman more or less and
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Speaker 4: decided to serve the customers directly.
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Speaker 2: You know, you'd pay it.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess it evolved, but even today you
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Speaker 4: pay it one window, I mean, if you're doing the
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Speaker 4: drive through thing, and then you roll over to the
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Speaker 4: next one in the hand of your bag, hopefully in
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Speaker 4: a speedy fashion. But that speedy system came with a character,
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Speaker 4: a mascot of the same name, to kind of really
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Speaker 4: hit home the message and clarify exactly what they were
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Speaker 4: all about there at McDonald's, that speedy service life.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they also shed a lot of choice in favor
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Speaker 1: of quick delivery. So McDonald's and like many other restaurants
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Speaker 1: at the time, they stripped down their menu just burgers, fries,
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Speaker 1: soft drinks, you know, and occasionally they would branch out
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Speaker 1: later to apple pies things like that. But the point
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Speaker 1: was you get in, you get your food as quickly
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Speaker 1: as possible. This was such a new idea that, as
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Speaker 1: you were saying, they had to have some sort of
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Speaker 1: friendly figure to explain this so it didn't sound like
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Speaker 1: a ted talk. And when they got the speedy service system.
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Speaker 1: They wanted to humanize it or anthropomorphize it, I should say,
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Speaker 1: with this guy who is who's he's always kind of
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Speaker 1: winking at you. He's a cook, but despite being a cook,
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Speaker 1: he has a bow tie, and he's got a hamburger
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Speaker 1: for a head, and despite being very quick conceptually, he
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Speaker 1: also has a pot belly because he's very well fed.
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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, he obviously pulls off little pieces of his
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Speaker 4: own head and eats it, which is an abomination if
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Speaker 4: you ask me.
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Speaker 2: But it did, you know, kind of bring that message home.
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Speaker 4: People did understand what Speedy was about and what the
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Speaker 4: Speedy service system was all about.
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Speaker 2: And you know, he was more of an on site
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Speaker 2: kind of presence.
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Speaker 4: Than a anthromorphic cartoon or person wearing a suit that
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Speaker 4: would appear in television commercials. He was retired, you know,
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Speaker 4: entirely in nineteen sixty two, and before that time didn't
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Speaker 4: appear in a single commercial. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Part of it was the fact that other companies
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Speaker 1: were making mascots. In particular, Alka Seltzer had a mascot
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Speaker 1: called Speedy spelled speed Y, So yeah, and confusion potentially,
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Speaker 1: right exactly. And if you go to folks like Alan
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Speaker 1: Hess researching for the Journal of the Society of Architectural Historians.
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Speaker 1: You'll see that you'll see something that Kroc and McDonald's
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Speaker 1: recognize pretty immediately. Folks were identify McDonald's with those Golden
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Speaker 1: arches which came out in nineteen sixty one. They were
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Speaker 1: thinking of that more so than they were thinking of
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Speaker 1: this weird ware Hamburger that wants to give you fries.
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Speaker 1: Very quickly, so as the story goes, they dropped this
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Speaker 1: mascot Speedy and they replaced him with an absolutely terrifying
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Speaker 1: guy named Ronald McDonald who wants to hang out with
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Speaker 1: children across the world and make them eat French fries.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, it's a little weird, and actually it occurs
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Speaker 4: to me, I wonder how far ahead of John Wayne
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Speaker 4: Gacy Ronald McDonald was.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a point I brought up on stuff
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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. In the past. The
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Speaker 1: colorophobia of the Western world can be traced, in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: to Gacy, to John WAYN. Gasey, the serial killer who
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Speaker 1: was also a part time clown. In other parts of
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Speaker 1: the world, clowns are still cool, totally.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it does appear that Gaysey's crimes took place in
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Speaker 4: the throughout the seventies, and he didn't really come to lights,
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Speaker 4: you know, in a public way until nineteen seventy eight.
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Speaker 4: So this whole Ronald McDonald thing was already going strong
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Speaker 4: from the early sixties.
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Speaker 1: And they took an l on that one. Yeah, no
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Speaker 1: supersize there, because America learned to fear clowns and associate
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Speaker 1: them with very sinister things. Now, if we go to
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Speaker 1: mash dot com, we'll see that our pal Felix Bear
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Speaker 1: says there is one Speedy operating at its original location
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Speaker 1: as in one you know image or icon of this character.
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Speaker 1: It's in Monsey, Indiana. The Monthly Speedy still has vertical
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Speaker 1: neon lights between the bottom of the arch and at
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Speaker 1: the top the McDonald's logo.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's definitely something you'll also see with other
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Speaker 4: fast food brands like Rby's. For example, in Athens, Georgia,
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Speaker 4: there is a classic giant neon ARB's sign that hasn't
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Speaker 4: changed since you know, the original days of that franchise.
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Speaker 2: And that's something that like certain brands.
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Speaker 4: You know, think about they're like, oh, well, let's let
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Speaker 4: there be this kind of like a relic of the
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Speaker 4: past that we don't mess with.
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Speaker 1: And here's why we're telling you about Speedy. It's not
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Speaker 1: an episode about Speedy himself. We wish him the best.
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Speaker 1: It is to illustrate fellow ridiculous historians that McDonald's as
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Speaker 1: a concept as an enterprise has no problem with abandoning mascots,
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Speaker 1: with moving on to the next thing. You know, let's
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Speaker 1: acknowledge obviously, Ronald McDonald. Please check out our two part
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Speaker 1: series on the pantheon of McDonald's characters. Mac Tonight shows
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Speaker 1: up and he is He is a shot out of
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Speaker 1: the blue, right, he might as well be from deep space.
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Speaker 1: That's a moon joke, thank you. The whole idea was
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Speaker 1: that there was this guy who's like late night cool
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Speaker 1: jazzy type singer, and he says, hey, McDonald's, it's not
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Speaker 1: just for daytime. You know your kids are asleep, you
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Speaker 1: need something to eat, come on down to McDonald's. He
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Speaker 1: does not appear in McDonald land because that's for kids.
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Speaker 1: He's too cool.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's probably the one that distributed all the McDonald's
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Speaker 4: branded ashtrays.
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Speaker 2: At all the locations. Remember that was the thing they
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Speaker 2: used to be.
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Speaker 4: You can probably still find them for sale McDonald's ashtrays
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Speaker 4: and matchbooks and all of that stuff from when everyone
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Speaker 4: used to just smoke them if you got them in
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Speaker 4: McDonald's locations, including the Playplace I would imagine, which is
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Speaker 4: the ballpit and.
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Speaker 2: All that good stuff.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean it was very much an attempt
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Speaker 4: to and they've done this other times, you know, without
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Speaker 4: like they had like the what was it? There was
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Speaker 4: an ad campaign that Jason Alexander participated in where it
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Speaker 4: was like some kind of like mic blt thing and
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Speaker 4: it was like it's.
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Speaker 2: A grown up sandwich, you know, for grown ups.
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Speaker 4: And then there was like the oh gosh, it was
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Speaker 4: just called like the Mac something or like it wasn't
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Speaker 4: the Big Mac. It was the Something Deluxe Arch Deluxe,
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Speaker 4: That's what it was. That was also marketed towards grown
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Speaker 4: ups with its potato bun and like all this kind
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Speaker 4: of faux gourmet trappings, and so this is something they
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Speaker 4: definitely continued to do after Mac Tonight. But yeah, you're
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Speaker 4: absolutely right, Ben, it was an attempt to let people
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Speaker 4: know that McDonald's was not just for breakfast and lunch
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Speaker 4: with the kiddos and happy meals. It was also for
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Speaker 4: a grown up dinner. Heck, cater your your dinner party
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Speaker 4: with McDonald's.
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Speaker 1: If you want to propose, why not take her to
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Speaker 1: McDonald's after nine pm? Yeah, or she would mac Tonight
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Speaker 1: would sit at his piano in the clouds and he
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Speaker 1: would sing a song. And it's a song that we'll
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Speaker 1: play for you later. It's all about how awesome McDonald's
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Speaker 1: is at night. To the earlier point there, it is
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Speaker 1: a parody plagiarizing the melody of a previous song called
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Speaker 1: Mac the Knife, which at that point had been performed
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Speaker 1: by some of the most famous singers in the Western world,
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Speaker 1: Bobby Darren, Frank Sinatra. The mac Tonight version is way
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Speaker 1: less bloody, but it was purposely designed and deployed to
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Speaker 1: leverage baby boomer nostalgia of the nineteen fifties, and for
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Speaker 1: a time this was incredibly successful. Just for a reminder,
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Speaker 1: because I don't think we mentioned it earlier, this guy
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Speaker 1: mac Tonight was only in play seriously for like three
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Speaker 1: years nineteen eighty six to nineteen eighty nine. So there's
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Speaker 1: this advertising company that gets this pitch going with McDonald's.
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Speaker 1: They get a budget of half a million dollars, which
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Speaker 1: is huge money. And they say we're going to make
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Speaker 1: four commercials. Each one has Mac the crescent moon faced
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Speaker 1: guy front and center. He's playing his piano. He's singing
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Speaker 1: his new jingle, which is set to the tune of
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Speaker 1: Mac the Knife. We'd love to play one example for
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Speaker 1: you here, folks.
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Speaker 2: Oh we must when.
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Speaker 3: The club starts half that six.
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Speaker 2: Term to hit fun go line, it's a good time.
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Speaker 1: For the.
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Speaker 4: Dinner.
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Speaker 2: McDon come on back tonight.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it. Same.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 4: Well, and you know, and the commercial that you found
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Speaker 4: ben it very clearly highlights salads and other things that
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Speaker 4: adults might enjoy.
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Speaker 3: I have to jump in that. That's what jumped out
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Speaker 3: to me. That was the shittiest looking solid of ever.
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Speaker 2: Come on, McDonald's.
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Speaker 3: Actually at my mom always says they have great salads there,
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Speaker 3: mcdonaldsley here is a stated condition.
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Speaker 2: But I looked at that thing.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh god, that looks like it's been in
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Speaker 3: the fridge for three weeks.
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Speaker 4: I mean, food picks in those days always looked kind
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Speaker 4: of awful.
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Speaker 1: The technology just wasn't there.
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Speaker 3: As someone who managed restaurants, it was one time task
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Speaker 3: to take food picks and then was after take after
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Speaker 3: he did the food picks. No longer task to take
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Speaker 3: food picks.
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Speaker 1: There was most of the food food photography you see
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Speaker 1: is not the actual food. I got a friend of
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Speaker 1: the show and how stuff works back in the day.
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Speaker 1: Lizzie Johnston is a food photographer and learning all the
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Speaker 1: tricks of the trade is fascinating.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Oftentimes that shine comes from like being coded in,
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Speaker 4: like a clear nail polish, you know, ice cream. If
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Speaker 4: you see the perfect rolled you know, spheres of ice cream,
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Speaker 4: it's some sort of weird composite clay thing.
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Speaker 2: That mixture may vary.
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Speaker 4: There's tons of crazy tricks around that stuff and ways
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Speaker 4: to get things to look kind of preternaturally crisp and fresh.
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Speaker 4: But you don't want to eat any of that stuff.
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Speaker 4: You would probably die instantly.
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Speaker 1: Might be an episode history of food photography. Also, at
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Speaker 1: some point we might have to add a sound cube
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Speaker 1: because I keep pitching new episodes while we're recording. We
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Speaker 1: follow up on some of them. I think we got
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Speaker 1: a good track record, sort of like mac Tonight had
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Speaker 1: a good track record in their initial marketing campaign. It
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Speaker 1: was so successful that the boffins, the c suite, the
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Speaker 1: suits had McDonald said, let's roll this out across the country.
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Speaker 1: So they launched this nationwide campaign and they had the
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Speaker 1: mascot Mac Tonight uppear in Bocovertad in Florida. Can I
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Speaker 1: get some like a high level, high drama, fancy city music.
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Speaker 1: They were good Buco Ratal Flora. And it's kind of
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Speaker 1: a big deal. It's not as big as when the
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Speaker 1: Beatles performed on that rooftop. But uh, but you see
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Speaker 1: Mac Tonight performing performing on a rooftop, people go crazy.
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Speaker 1: But the big question is who created this crazy crooning
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Speaker 1: crescent cranium.
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Speaker 4: Ooh I wrote that. Yeah, it's good, he said it.
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Speaker 4: Brad A Ball Real Days was responsible for this. He
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Speaker 4: really loved the melody of that song. He really loved
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Speaker 4: the potential for nostalgia mining. In nineteen eighty six, Mac
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Speaker 4: the Knife originally written by Kurt Viile and Berthold Brett
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Speaker 4: for the Three Penny Opera. Its original incarnation very different
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Speaker 4: from the kind of more hit parade version that made
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Speaker 4: a number one hit for Bobby Darren in nineteen fifty nine.
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Speaker 4: And there's something about this, you know, just screamed like
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Speaker 4: this is this is adult, this is you know, there's
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Speaker 4: something You're right, Ben it's that baby boomer kind of
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Speaker 4: nostalgia thing that just that kind of crooning, you know,
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Speaker 4: hepcat finger snap and melody really evokes. So he decided
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Speaker 4: to pitch one of his biggest clients, which was an
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Speaker 4: organization called the McDonald's Operators Association of Southern California.
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Speaker 1: Ye, that's kind of shady, right, which part McDonald's Operators
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Speaker 1: Association of Southern California sounds like it's close to McDonald's
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Speaker 1: but not McDonald's.
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Speaker 2: That's true.
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Speaker 4: But I also know that, like you know, McDonald's is
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Speaker 4: all about franchisees, right, So it seems like maybe this
22:09
Speaker 4: was pitched as more of a regional thing that would
22:12
Speaker 4: you know, be participated in by you know, folks in
22:15
Speaker 4: this part of the country, in southern California. They thought
22:17
Speaker 4: it would like hit better there because people are like
22:20
Speaker 4: cooler or smarter or something or more adult, I don't know.
22:23
Speaker 2: And by the way, Brad A.
22:25
Speaker 4: Ball was the president of the ad organization or the
22:28
Speaker 4: ad agency Davis.
22:29
Speaker 2: Johnson, Mogul and Colombato.
22:32
Speaker 4: Incorporated DJMC for short, which was a relatively speaking small
22:38
Speaker 4: advertising agency there in La. His creative director, a guy
22:43
Speaker 4: named Peter Kutrulis kind of took his homework assignment and
22:47
Speaker 4: ran with it, listening to tons of different versions, which
22:50
Speaker 4: there were many of this song, Mack the Knife by
22:53
Speaker 4: folks arranging from Bobby Darren himself to Louis Armstrong, Frank Sinatra.
22:58
Speaker 4: Liberachi even worked up a a version that was very,
23:01
Speaker 4: very popular, and he of course knew that, you know,
23:04
Speaker 4: it needed to have some MacDonald's centric lyrics, you know,
23:08
Speaker 4: weird Al who was also pretty big at the time.
23:11
Speaker 2: So you got to wonder if, like there is something
23:13
Speaker 2: about that and.
23:14
Speaker 1: His Waffle King's a banger? Have you ever Waffle King.
23:18
Speaker 2: At What's what's that parody of?
23:23
Speaker 4: Uh?
23:23
Speaker 1: It is a It is a guy called himself the
23:27
Speaker 1: Waffle King who realizes that he is the god of waffles.
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Speaker 2: So it's just a it's not a parody. It's just
23:34
Speaker 2: like one of his original songs.
23:35
Speaker 4: Don't know the full context. He just has a weird
23:39
Speaker 4: banger song. He definitely has those non parody weird al
23:43
Speaker 4: versions that usually do not go, yeah, do not stick,
23:45
Speaker 4: of course, not quite stick to the public consciousness the
23:49
Speaker 4: way you know, fat or Eat It or any of.
23:52
Speaker 2: His other anthems go.
23:55
Speaker 4: But you know, he was hugely popular, and I can
23:57
Speaker 4: only imagine that that maybe figured into we need to
24:00
Speaker 4: do a great parody song in incorporating McDonald's messaging into
24:05
Speaker 4: a song that the people of the generation we're trying
24:07
Speaker 4: to attract will no doubt be intimately familiar with.
24:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, because this is a war. They are in the
24:16
Speaker 1: trenches of what will later be called the Burger Wars,
24:20
Speaker 1: the fast escalating fast food fight to get into the
24:26
Speaker 1: bellies of American consumers. This is where macdnight comes from.
24:31
Speaker 1: And look, folks, you don't have to you don't have
24:34
Speaker 1: to delve too deep to realize the nineteen eighties commercial
24:38
Speaker 1: culture was weird.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
24:42
Speaker 1: He got the voice of macdnighte by guy named Roger Bear.
24:46
Speaker 1: Bear passed away unfortunately in twenty eighteen, but he's a
24:50
Speaker 1: hugely talented actor. He did a lot of voice work.
24:53
Speaker 1: He also side note, thanks to our pal Jeff, he
24:57
Speaker 1: voiced two Transformers characters.
25:00
Speaker 2: Is this in Transformers the motion picture or in the cartoon? Unclear?
25:04
Speaker 4: Okay, fair enough, I'm not familiar with these. These seem
25:07
Speaker 4: like deep cut Transformers run about and run amok Are
25:10
Speaker 4: they Okay?
25:12
Speaker 2: So I guess they're a package deal. They can't.
25:15
Speaker 4: They have to be like I love this part of
25:19
Speaker 4: the story because we know and love here ridiculous history
25:23
Speaker 4: the work of Doug Jones, who is just an.
25:27
Speaker 2: Incredible physical actor.
25:30
Speaker 4: I mean, he has a background in mime in the
25:33
Speaker 4: theater and has portrayed iconic kind of costumed characters, ranging
25:40
Speaker 4: from the kind of creature from The Black Lagoon, Star
25:45
Speaker 4: of the Shape of Water by Guillelmo del Toro. He
25:48
Speaker 4: was the thin or is it the thin man in
25:52
Speaker 4: Pans Labyrinth with the creepy hands and the eyes of
25:55
Speaker 4: his palms. Absolutely, guy is the physical actor. He's not
25:59
Speaker 4: the d mac tonight. You know, he was this this
26:02
Speaker 4: this really was his first kind of breakout role that
26:06
Speaker 4: led to what was to come for him, which included
26:09
Speaker 4: like playing bit parts on shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
26:13
Speaker 1: He is what returns.
26:16
Speaker 4: Batman returns exactly. That's another I think that's maybe his
26:19
Speaker 4: first big screen performance. He plays like an acrobatic clown
26:23
Speaker 4: in the Penguin's Crew in that film, but he gets
26:29
Speaker 4: his kind of big shot portraying the physical embodiment of
26:34
Speaker 4: adult McDonald's mac Tonight in this marketing campaign that as
26:38
Speaker 4: you mentioned, Ben had a pretty hefty budget for the
26:41
Speaker 4: time half a million bucks.
26:43
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
26:44
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the the guys at DJMC, they choose Jones
26:50
Speaker 1: because he is tall, and he is third and he
26:53
Speaker 1: has legit bona fide experience with mymery, with the arts
26:59
Speaker 1: of the mind. He's also very animated physically, which is
27:04
Speaker 1: essential for this character. And like you were saying earlier,
27:08
Speaker 1: Jones credits his stint as Mac Tonight doing these commercials
27:13
Speaker 1: as paving his way to overall success as an actor
27:17
Speaker 1: and entertainer. In twenty thirteen, he's talking to Collider and
27:21
Speaker 1: he says, look, I played this Mac to Night character
27:24
Speaker 1: in twenty seven commercials over just those three years. And
27:29
Speaker 1: because of those twenty seven commercials, I got all these referrals.
27:34
Speaker 1: People kept coming to me and offering me new, more expansive,
27:39
Speaker 1: more substantive roles. We could also argue this nostalgia or
27:45
Speaker 1: this gratitude is why Doug Jones came back in the
27:49
Speaker 1: mid nineteen nineties to do two more Mac Tonight commercials
27:54
Speaker 1: during a very short lived revival for the character reasons.
28:01
Speaker 1: And it's it's weird because backstory, I don't think any
28:06
Speaker 1: of this is on air, but on our other show
28:09
Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. We were about
28:11
Speaker 1: to record. We talked a little bit about Max Headroom
28:14
Speaker 1: and how influential Max Headroom was as a character, later
28:19
Speaker 1: becoming a very strange and specific Playboy Centerfold parody. Mac
28:24
Speaker 1: Tonight is inspired by Max Headroom.
28:26
Speaker 4: Well, it came up in our conversation that you're referencing, man,
28:29
Speaker 4: how come you don't ever see sexy Max Headroom costumes
28:33
Speaker 4: around Halloween time? Might be a little too much of
28:35
Speaker 4: a deep cut, but you pointed out that surely it's
28:38
Speaker 4: been done and definitely in the eighties when Max Headroom
28:42
Speaker 4: was inescapable. He's kind of this like computer generated sort
28:46
Speaker 4: of talk show host.
28:47
Speaker 2: Like you said up kind, and of course he was.
28:53
Speaker 4: You can see him portrayed in Back to the Future
28:57
Speaker 4: Part two when they go to that kind of like
29:00
Speaker 4: nostalgia diner or whatever, when Marty McFly like gets punked
29:04
Speaker 4: by those kids, one of which is played by a
29:06
Speaker 4: very baby little Elijah Wood for having to use his
29:09
Speaker 4: hands for playing a video game of the gun game
29:13
Speaker 4: or he's used to impressing the heck out of people
29:15
Speaker 4: with that, and these kids just roll their eyes, and
29:17
Speaker 4: you know, so he doesn't have telepathy. I guess like
29:19
Speaker 4: everyone in the future does. That never really gets addressed again.
29:21
Speaker 4: It's always bugged me a little bit, like you have
29:23
Speaker 4: to use your hands, Like what do you mean, Little
29:26
Speaker 4: Elijah Wood. But Max Headroom was also of course used
29:31
Speaker 4: in like a big old kind of early hecking kind
29:34
Speaker 4: of scam.
29:35
Speaker 1: Right right the Max Headroom incident, and you could check
29:38
Speaker 1: out stuff they don't want you to know. For more
29:40
Speaker 1: information on that, we think we may have solved the case.
29:43
Speaker 1: Shout out to the actor portraying Max Headroom, a guy
29:46
Speaker 1: named Matt Frewer. Max Headroom was computer generated, but still
29:52
Speaker 1: in the early nineteen eighties, or the idea was that
29:56
Speaker 1: he's an AI computer generated personality. They couldn't do that yet.
30:02
Speaker 1: The technology just wasn't there for a lot of industries,
30:06
Speaker 1: let alone a small LA based ad agency like DJMC.
30:12
Speaker 1: And so the firm's executives were going back and forth
30:15
Speaker 1: and they were saying, well, should we just use real people,
30:19
Speaker 1: known human celebrities in the advertisements. Why not have mister
30:24
Speaker 1: t be the face of McDonald's for instance. I'm just
30:27
Speaker 1: pulling an eighties reference.
30:29
Speaker 2: I pity the fool who doesn't go to McDonald's for dinner.
30:33
Speaker 1: And ultimately they said, no, McDonald's needs to have its
30:38
Speaker 1: own mascot. Let's look at original things. There was nothing
30:42
Speaker 1: they thought more original than Max Headroom, and so someone
30:46
Speaker 1: in that writer's room said, we need a Max Headroom
30:51
Speaker 1: for McDonald's and they nailed it with Mac tonight. He
30:55
Speaker 1: got so popular that he even got his own happy
30:58
Speaker 1: meal and toys, which used to be much more difficult.
31:01
Speaker 1: Now I feel like, if you're a celebrity of a
31:03
Speaker 1: certain achelon, you automatically get a branded happy meal.
31:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this also makes me think of the relatively
31:10
Speaker 4: recent kind of adult happy meal thing that McDonald's been
31:14
Speaker 4: doing with the bigger box and the full sized sandwiches
31:16
Speaker 4: and like the kind of more like adulty collectible toys.
31:20
Speaker 2: I got a few of those.
31:21
Speaker 4: They were doing these like what was it, like something cactus,
31:24
Speaker 4: I can't remember, but they had these cool I'm a
31:26
Speaker 4: dorky collector of like figures and like you know, super
31:28
Speaker 4: plastic and stuff like that. And they had this whole
31:31
Speaker 4: thing where they had these like very psychedelic, weird, kind
31:35
Speaker 4: of more like hipster figurines of like different mcdonald'land figures,
31:39
Speaker 4: and I bought a few of those for that. But
31:41
Speaker 4: if you think about it, this mac Tonight happy meal
31:43
Speaker 4: and toy thing, if you you know, look at what
31:46
Speaker 4: their whole branding play was, was kind of the first
31:48
Speaker 4: adult happy meal in a lot of weeks.
31:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's an astute observation. Macdnight gave McDonald's
32:03
Speaker 1: a crucial edge, a mission critical edge in the competition
32:07
Speaker 1: of the burger wars. He was a moon size success
32:12
Speaker 1: for his time. Shout out to our friends at Retroist
32:15
Speaker 1: for putting it that way. During this halcyon short lived era,
32:20
Speaker 1: mac Tonight had a higher recognition rate of mid consumers
32:25
Speaker 1: than New Coke and spoilers, folks. New Coke was a
32:29
Speaker 1: huge boondoggle. It was such a quagmire that there's an
32:33
Speaker 1: entire conspiracy theory about it, and they poured so much money, poured,
32:41
Speaker 1: they poured so much money into advertising it all for not.
32:44
Speaker 1: With way less money, mac Tonight was way more successful.
32:48
Speaker 2: All for not.
32:49
Speaker 4: You could also argue that for the conspiracy theory of
32:52
Speaker 4: New Coke, that they did it all so that they
32:54
Speaker 4: could then sell the public Classic coke with of course,
33:00
Speaker 4: has maintained that nostalgic play kind of ever since, because
33:04
Speaker 4: as we know, nostalgia and cocaine are a hell of
33:08
Speaker 4: drugs and I think both were at play in this
33:10
Speaker 4: Mac Tonight's scheme. It just the eighties were the big
33:14
Speaker 4: time with that big ideas, lots of ideas that maybe
33:16
Speaker 4: you shouldn't have ever seen the light of day, but
33:19
Speaker 4: executives really thought quite highly of themselves in these days.
33:23
Speaker 1: Like who greenlit the song oh make it You're so Fine?
33:27
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's the video, the videos, the
33:32
Speaker 1: music video will take you places.
33:34
Speaker 4: Also a weird ol parody Ricky You're So Fine, A
33:38
Speaker 4: minute about I Love Lucy.
33:40
Speaker 1: And as a result of Mac's overnight virality is amazing success.
33:47
Speaker 1: The campaign, as we said, extends way beyond this regional
33:54
Speaker 1: McDonald's operators deal, real life Mac Scott's. There we Go
34:03
Speaker 1: in real life Max Scott's. They would perform at restaurant
34:07
Speaker 1: locations across the United States and thousands of people would
34:12
Speaker 1: go to see Mac Tonight.
34:15
Speaker 2: They would go.
34:15
Speaker 1: Watch them do like do the song and I guess
34:18
Speaker 1: do some bits. It was huge.
34:21
Speaker 2: Yeah.
34:21
Speaker 4: I think they even rolled out some animatronic versions like
34:24
Speaker 4: Chuck E Cheese, Rock of Fire Explosion band style and
34:27
Speaker 4: they were so popular that even when they fell into disrepair,
34:31
Speaker 4: I guess they didn't think about the long game here.
34:34
Speaker 4: They just left them there as statues, which is kind
34:37
Speaker 4: of creepy if you think about it.
34:39
Speaker 1: Oh, one hundred percent. And also to your point about
34:42
Speaker 1: the short lived mania of the nineteen eighties and cocaine,
34:48
Speaker 1: it feels like built spending tons of money to make
34:51
Speaker 1: animatronic sculptures and pieces and then just abandoning them instead
34:56
Speaker 1: of fixing them. That feels very eighties to me.
35:00
Speaker 4: There are these McDonald's coffee stirrs that I have seen
35:04
Speaker 4: come up in memes and things. Is about this very
35:07
Speaker 4: topic that were apparently really really popular for folks to
35:11
Speaker 4: use as coke spoons. Oh wow, because they're like it's
35:15
Speaker 4: like this long thing with a McDonald's arch at one end.
35:18
Speaker 2: And just a tiny little spoon on the other end.
35:21
Speaker 1: Oh no, I've never I'm not about that life.
35:25
Speaker 4: I've just seen it pop up on the internet more
35:28
Speaker 4: than a few times over the years.
35:30
Speaker 1: That's wild. Also what's wild is the fact that this
35:34
Speaker 1: is a show about ridiculous history. Mac Tonight is not around.
35:39
Speaker 1: You go to your local McDonald's, you're probably not going
35:43
Speaker 1: to see our favorite moonface boy, and it turns out
35:47
Speaker 1: that we know why you're not going to see them. No,
35:50
Speaker 1: we have to go back to that song, Mac the Knife.
35:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mentioned that it was about bloody murder at
35:58
Speaker 4: the top of the show, which it is. I mean,
36:00
Speaker 4: aint the got your bad bad Leroy Brown's of course
36:02
Speaker 4: the baddest man the whole town, undred percent, and he
36:05
Speaker 4: did some bad things, but didn't outright kill people in
36:08
Speaker 4: the song as Mac the Knife, as evidenced by his name,
36:13
Speaker 4: Uh definitely did.
36:16
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, these uh, these ad execs, they're caught by
36:21
Speaker 1: the melody, the catchy tune of the song, not the lyrics.
36:25
Speaker 1: So when they repurpose it Al Yankovic style, they make
36:28
Speaker 1: it a PG rated thing. You know, it's all about
36:31
Speaker 1: how it's Mac Tonight instead of Mac the Knife. And
36:36
Speaker 1: they get confronted by the moral majority of the eighties
36:40
Speaker 1: and they say, look, it's it's totally fine for us
36:44
Speaker 1: to use the melody from this song. We're not touching
36:48
Speaker 1: the lyrics. The kids aren't gonna know it. The baby
36:51
Speaker 1: boomers just remember they liked hearing it on their transistor radios.
36:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know in their minds too, I'm not
36:58
Speaker 4: sure it's interesting because you know, if even if you
37:01
Speaker 4: don't use the original recording of the song and you
37:04
Speaker 4: don't use the lyrics, if you're using the melody and
37:07
Speaker 4: it's exactly the same, you still have to pay publishing
37:10
Speaker 4: rights for something like that. There are parody laws and
37:14
Speaker 4: things like that, but a lot of that doesn't preclude
37:16
Speaker 4: you from being sued. It just is a defense you
37:19
Speaker 4: can use in court, like a fair use or whatever.
37:22
Speaker 1: Like when Fogerty got sued for sounding too much like himself.
37:27
Speaker 4: Like himself because you know, owned the masters or the
37:30
Speaker 4: rights to the publishing of his actual catalog. And this
37:34
Speaker 4: this comes into play. But first and foremost to that
37:36
Speaker 4: moral majority point. They are calling into question the use
37:41
Speaker 4: of the song, to which the McDonald's defenders, the folks
37:45
Speaker 4: you know, doing corporate pr are saying, no, no, no,
37:48
Speaker 4: it's it's just the melody. We were trying to go
37:51
Speaker 4: for this nostalgia thing. It's a little hard to make
37:53
Speaker 4: that argument when the name of the character Mac is
37:58
Speaker 4: in Mac the Knife, Like, I just have a hard
38:01
Speaker 4: time believing that that the guy that thought of this
38:04
Speaker 4: and making these connections, you know, wasn't thinking about that
38:08
Speaker 4: play on words as well. I mean, there's no question
38:11
Speaker 4: that that went in, that figured into his thinking.
38:13
Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's kind of to go dark with it.
38:15
Speaker 1: It's kind of like if Victorious Secret had a new
38:20
Speaker 1: evil clown model mascot and they said, no, there's Jane
38:26
Speaker 1: Wayne Lacy. Has nothing to do with John Wayne Gacy.
38:31
Speaker 1: You guys are making it weird.
38:32
Speaker 4: Ough gaslight the public, why don't you. So that was
38:36
Speaker 4: one strike against the campaign. That was one strike against
38:40
Speaker 4: the character. What brought it even further into problematic territory.
38:46
Speaker 2: Was when the estate of the late great Bobby.
38:49
Speaker 4: Darren filed suit against McDonald's for exactly what I was
38:54
Speaker 4: just describing, Like they're saying, no, this is the song
38:58
Speaker 4: and the styles, because again, you know, the song is
39:01
Speaker 4: old and the three penny operas from nineteen twenty eight.
39:04
Speaker 4: So even by this point that music would have fallen
39:08
Speaker 4: under fair EUSt I'm sorry, under public domain if I'm
39:10
Speaker 4: not mistaken. So they weren't paying the estate of Bert
39:13
Speaker 4: Hoolbrett and Kurt Vile. But the problem is the hit
39:18
Speaker 4: came from Bobby Darren and his arrangement, and his arrangement
39:21
Speaker 4: and his vocal stylings. All of which are completely mimicked
39:25
Speaker 4: in this ad campaign.
39:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so the Estate of Darren says, mac tonight,
39:31
Speaker 1: whatever you guys are doing to sling your burgers, it's
39:35
Speaker 1: too close to what Bobby was doing.
39:37
Speaker 2: You owe us.
39:38
Speaker 1: Ten million US dollars in damage, right, and eventually the
39:43
Speaker 1: estate drops the suit. But it's still a bad look,
39:47
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like walking into a
39:49
Speaker 1: room after someone has just ripped afart. So it's a damper.
39:55
Speaker 1: You know, it's not a good vibe for the character.
39:58
Speaker 1: And this is part of why McDonald's overall capital M
40:02
Speaker 1: capital D moves into the nineties without mac Tonight. He
40:07
Speaker 1: made a few more appearances every so often. We talked
40:10
Speaker 1: about that short lived revival commercial run. But now unfortunately
40:17
Speaker 1: he has become more associated with far right hate groups
40:24
Speaker 1: using him as a meme.
40:26
Speaker 2: That's right, I mean, think Pepe the Frog, you know.
40:29
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of this stuff comes from like
40:31
Speaker 4: four Chan boards, and you know, it's hard to even
40:33
Speaker 4: trace where these things begin because it's you know, it's
40:38
Speaker 4: kind of that game of telephone we always talk about,
40:40
Speaker 4: and so many of those boards are populated by completely
40:42
Speaker 4: anonymous folks hiding behind their screen names, and you know,
40:46
Speaker 4: these kind of like kind of alt right weird comics
40:49
Speaker 4: end up circulating and then they end up taking a
40:51
Speaker 4: meaning in a kind of far right leaning, pretty gnarly.
40:56
Speaker 2: Group sub group on the Internet.
40:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, that's what happened dis info asymmetrical meme warfare.
41:05
Speaker 1: Forget the Burger Wars. Think about the the meme wars.
41:09
Speaker 1: The info wars, not Alex. Not Alex's thing. So mac
41:15
Speaker 1: Tonite did get revived for an ad campaign in Southeast
41:20
Speaker 1: Asia in two thousand and seven, but we're probably not
41:23
Speaker 1: going to see much of them in the US because
41:26
Speaker 1: to your point, he inspired an internet spin off called
41:30
Speaker 1: moon Man. This is one hundred percent Moonman is to
41:38
Speaker 1: mac Tonight as mac Tonite is to Mack the Knife Like,
41:43
Speaker 1: it's clearly coming from that place. And Max lookalike is
41:48
Speaker 1: classified as a hate symbol by the ADL, the Anti
41:51
Speaker 1: Defamation League, because it's associated with all these memes about
41:56
Speaker 1: racism and homophobia and other nasty stuff, particularly because there
42:03
Speaker 1: was a rapping version of the character that spread as
42:07
Speaker 1: a meme online sometime around like twenty ten, and like
42:11
Speaker 1: you said, Nola appeared on four Chan and the first
42:14
Speaker 1: videos were harmless parodies, but they kept.
42:17
Speaker 4: An early texta speech thing too, right, like kind of
42:19
Speaker 4: like that radiohead computer voice exactly.
42:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, good point. And this character gets repurposed for
42:26
Speaker 1: these increasingly depraved videos about white supremacy and you know,
42:31
Speaker 1: anti semitism, anti Islam stuff, all all kinds of nasty things.
42:36
Speaker 4: It kind of makes sense if you just see why
42:39
Speaker 4: they might have co opted this figure.
42:41
Speaker 2: Nothing whiter than the moon, you know, sa geez.
42:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, well i'm you know, partially colorable. I thought it
42:49
Speaker 1: was blue. Wait it changes colors depending on what time
42:52
Speaker 1: of year.
42:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's a certain kind of snark and pompousness
42:58
Speaker 4: that goes along with just like a still shot of
43:00
Speaker 4: this moon guy kind of grinning with his sunglasses.
43:03
Speaker 2: You know.
43:03
Speaker 4: I can just picture some right wing internet weirdo seeing
43:07
Speaker 4: that and being like it's perfect.
43:09
Speaker 1: I've seen it from some of my previous research for
43:14
Speaker 1: different shows, different episodes. We do have to note this
43:17
Speaker 1: guy was falling down around twenty ten. He popped up
43:22
Speaker 1: The Internet is se ephemeral shout out to Max, and
43:25
Speaker 1: then mac Tonight was revitalized yet again, re revitalized by
43:31
Speaker 1: the Old Rights in twenty fifteen, and this is what
43:35
Speaker 1: prompted it was the proverbial fry on the camel's back.
43:39
Speaker 1: This is what prompted McDonald's to pull the last of
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Speaker 1: all Mac Tonight themed decor from restaurants.
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Speaker 2: And this is why nationally, I mean, even like it
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Speaker 2: was just Donzo, and.
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Speaker 1: This is why you will still see a speedy maybe
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Speaker 1: out in Munsey, Indiana, but you're not going to see
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Speaker 1: Mac Tonight at a McDonald's new or you. And maybe
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Speaker 1: it was the right choice.
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Speaker 2: Maybe, I mean, it's just it is a bummer.
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Speaker 4: I thought it was an interesting character, but the whole
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Speaker 4: story is so fascinating. What do I care about fast
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Speaker 4: food mascots? But you know, I think we're all fans
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Speaker 4: of just following these kind of ridiculous pop culture moments.
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Speaker 2: And I wouldn't be surprised.
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Speaker 4: Ben if, like that Mac the Tonight commercial that you found,
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Speaker 4: if there's some you know, McDonald's lawyers or whatever that
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Speaker 4: do their best to get that stuff stripped from the internet,
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Speaker 4: you know, because they just don't want to be associated
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Speaker 4: with it at all because of all the hate group stuff.
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Speaker 1: Oh good point, and I think we have been very fair.
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Speaker 1: But in case that does get scrubbed, well, we'll do
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Speaker 1: a punch in, but I think we're safe with that one.
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Speaker 1: It's freely available. We are compresting. Yeah, we're certainly not.
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Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to be fast food mascots.
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Speaker 1: I don't really eat fast food. I don't know what
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Speaker 1: mascot we would be for that. Would we be the
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Speaker 1: like the Sad Salad crew. I'll be the bag man,
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Speaker 1: you put the fries in me, I'll be the face.
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Speaker 2: Then sounds good. Max, who you want to be? The
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Speaker 2: guy in the chair?
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Speaker 1: We'll just call him the condition, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: That's that's the guy that's like behind the scenes doing
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Speaker 4: all the like hacking and computering and stuff.
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Speaker 2: It just seems appropriate.
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Speaker 1: Works with me, great, all right, great, and we also
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Speaker 1: literally work with you. So thank you so much for
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Speaker 1: tuning in. Fellow ridiculous historians. We love these pop culture stories.
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Speaker 1: We love hearing more about it. If you are interested
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Speaker 1: in learning the full pantheon or the rise and fall
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Speaker 1: of the Pantheon, we should say of McDonald's, tune into
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Speaker 1: our two parter, wherein we do light spoiler reveal the
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Speaker 1: purported identity of Grimace aka what Grimace is supposed to
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Speaker 1: be big, big thanks to our super producer, mister Max Williams.
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Speaker 1: Big big thanks to Alex Williams, who composed this slap
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Speaker 1: and bop and uh no, let's uh, let's crack on
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Speaker 1: the Quist for a bit.
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Speaker 2: We earned it, I think so. I think that's right.
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Speaker 2: Damn you Quist. Dare we stand for?
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Speaker 1: You're like a salad at McDonald's in an eighties commercial.
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Speaker 4: I'm wilted and it's still a little shiny because I'm
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Speaker 4: covered in nail polish.
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Speaker 1: We only listened to the song The Grinch because it
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Speaker 1: makes us think of you. Big big fakes to Christo
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Speaker 1: rasiotis Eve's Jeffcoat, a j Bahama's Jacobs?
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Speaker 2: Who else? Who else?
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Speaker 1: Who?
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Speaker 4: Ell? Hey, the rude Dude's over at ridiculous crime with
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Speaker 4: Saren and Elizabeth and who else?
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Speaker 2: Gabe Luesier check him out?
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Speaker 1: Ah yes, Gabe Luesier and of course no super sized.
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Speaker 1: Thanks to you, my father.
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Speaker 4: Thanks Buddy, I appreciate that, but see I said, but
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