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Opposition Leader Lia Finocchiaro says the CLP are prepared to sit down with the government and take a bipartisan approach to urgently address crime · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio is the opposition leader
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  Speaker 1: Leah Fanochi Aro.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Leah.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning Kadi and to your listeners.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Leah, this situation in Alice Springs, it's one which
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  Speaker 1: you and I have spoken about before. The Government has
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  Speaker 1: outlined some of the measures that they're taking to sort
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  Speaker 1: this issue out, but for many there seems to be
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  Speaker 1: no improvement. What do you think could be happening in
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  Speaker 1: Ala Springs right now to quell these concerns.
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  Speaker 4: I think it requires the legislative change. The government's certainly
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  Speaker 4: taking an approach of bringing people together to try and
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  Speaker 4: have this holistic sort of approach, and that's one thing,
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  Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, you have a
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  Speaker 4: revolving door of bail happening and that.
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  Speaker 3: Needs to be addressed.
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  Speaker 4: There needs to be a legisative change like what we propose,
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  Speaker 4: which would then see repeat offenders not being able to
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  Speaker 4: get bail. We need to immediately ensure we've got immediate
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  Speaker 4: consequences for offending, which you know government promise they'd be
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  Speaker 4: doing mandatory community service. That's a policy of ours that
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  Speaker 4: needs to happen. And we also think something like our
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  Speaker 4: sentence to a skill training facility needs to be brought
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  Speaker 4: in a meetiate that's essentially a detention facility for fourteen fifteen,
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  Speaker 4: sixteen year old youths who have got serious levels of offending,
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  Speaker 4: who need to be sentenced to learning a skill and
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  Speaker 4: getting a job essentially.
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  Speaker 1: I reckon that you could get any of that kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing up and running though immediately. I mean legislative change,
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  Speaker 1: for example, is something that will take some time and consultation.
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  Speaker 4: I would think, no, we could do it really quickly.
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  Speaker 4: I mean our legislation is already drafted, ready to go.
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  Speaker 4: The government could just literally reverse some of the garbage
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  Speaker 4: it's brought in over the last two years which has
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  Speaker 4: watered down consequences for youth offenders. We sit in Parliament
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  Speaker 4: in two weeks, Katie, in two weeks, the government could
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  Speaker 4: bring in legislation, move it on urgency. We would support
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  Speaker 4: urgency and it would be done.
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  Speaker 2: What exactly would this legislation be.
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  Speaker 4: We think it needs to target repeat offenders, so if
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  Speaker 4: you have got multiple offenses, you don't get bailed. Because
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  Speaker 4: what we know is that kids are being caught, they're
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  Speaker 4: being released, they're going and committing more crimes. The police
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  Speaker 4: are catching them again, they're being released on BAI. We
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  Speaker 4: need to stop that. Side, will stop that continual victimization
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  Speaker 4: of the community and make sure that people who are
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  Speaker 4: living their life doing the right thing feel safe.
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  Speaker 1: Leah. Then on the other hand, we've obviously got a
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  Speaker 1: situation though. I mean last week on this show we
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  Speaker 1: caught up with John Lawrence sc who had said that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we have got too many kids in don Dale.
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  Speaker 1: It's not fit for purpose. We should be shutting it
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  Speaker 1: down immediately, and that we should not have children going
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  Speaker 1: into a facility like that. I mean, where do we
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  Speaker 1: sort of find the ground where we're going to have
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  Speaker 1: young people stop offending but you know, treated in a
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  Speaker 1: way that everybody thinks it's humane. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, and look, in a perfect world, no child will
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  Speaker 4: go to jail. But what we have here is severe,
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  Speaker 4: violent repeat offenders who are continuing to perpetrate crimes on everyday,
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  Speaker 4: people who are just living their lives, destroying their businesses,
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  Speaker 4: destroying their homes, forcing people to leave, attacking tourists. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: this is not okay. And yes, the government should have
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  Speaker 4: built the new detention facility for youth years and years
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  Speaker 4: and years ago. I mean that was an election commitment,
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  Speaker 4: you know, when they were in opposition, Katie.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a long time coming.
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  Speaker 4: But ultimately, we have to put the rights of everyday
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  Speaker 4: people above the rights of criminals. That's something we've been
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  Speaker 4: abundantly clear about. And instead this government keys putting the
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  Speaker 4: rights of criminals above the rights of the community to
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  Speaker 4: be safe.
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  Speaker 3: And this is where all of the problems are starting.
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  Speaker 1: What about raising the age of criminal responsibility, because this
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  Speaker 1: is something that was the recommendation of the Royal Commission.
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  Speaker 1: It's something that does continuously get raised and it does
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  Speaker 1: seem to be something that the government's committed to, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that the public agrees.
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  Speaker 3: Well they shouldn't agree. It's a disaster waiting to happen.
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  Speaker 4: We vehemently oppose raising the age of criminal responsibility. But
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  Speaker 4: right now, the current law is that if you're between
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  Speaker 4: ten and fourteen, the judge has to decide whether you
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  Speaker 4: can be held criminally culpable.
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  Speaker 3: And as it is, we're seeing plenty of kids being turned.
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  Speaker 4: Around while it's in straight back out that courtroom door,
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  Speaker 4: you know, without any repercussions for their criminal activity. Now,
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  Speaker 4: if we were to have raise the age of criminal responsibility,
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  Speaker 4: it literally means we're further tying up the hands of
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  Speaker 4: our police to be able to do anything. We will
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  Speaker 4: all of a sudden have twelve year olds absolved of
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  Speaker 4: their criminal behavior simply because the government has decided that
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  Speaker 4: we should have less twelve year olds in prison. Well,
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  Speaker 4: like I said, no one wants to see a twelve
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  Speaker 4: year old in prison. But if they're violently offending, if
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  Speaker 4: they're continuing to ram raid steel cars, break into shops,
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  Speaker 4: you know there needs to be a way to ensure
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  Speaker 4: that that person is no longer a threat to the community.
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  Speaker 2: Leah, let's not you know, let's not beat around the
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  Speaker 2: bullsh here.
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  Speaker 1: It's a massive call for a tourism body to come
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  Speaker 1: out and say that things have reached crisis levels. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about the very body which is trying to
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  Speaker 1: promote the Northern Territory to tourists right around the nation.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that this is going to hinder tourism?
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  Speaker 4: It absolutely does. We already know it does. I was
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  Speaker 4: in Alan Springs just a couple of weekends ago. Whenever
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  Speaker 4: I meet with Tourism Central Australia, it's the number one
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  Speaker 4: issue we rate that gets you walk through the streets
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  Speaker 4: of Alice Springs and all you can see is roller
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  Speaker 4: doors and boarded up windows. It's impacting people's ability to
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  Speaker 4: run their business and their tourism entity, let alone how
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  Speaker 4: people move about. You hear the terrible stories of gray
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  Speaker 4: nomads saying, oh, don't stop in Tenant Creek, don't stop
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  Speaker 4: in Alice Springs Park here. Even when I was in
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  Speaker 4: Alice actually a couple of weekends ago, someone was saying
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  Speaker 4: to me that a lot of people who are on
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  Speaker 4: the road traveling actually stay forty minutes out of Alice
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  Speaker 4: Springs and just come in and out during day trips
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  Speaker 4: because they're too scared to stay there overnight. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: this is debilitating for this town.
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  Speaker 2: It is shocking.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, look, I think that people have probably
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  Speaker 1: reached the point as well. I mean they're probably listening
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  Speaker 1: in Alice this morning and right around the territory and thinking,
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  Speaker 1: we don't actually care what the government does, We don't
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  Speaker 1: really care what the opposition sees.
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  Speaker 2: We just want to see some change, Just do something.
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  Speaker 1: Should we just drop the party lines here and both
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  Speaker 1: sides of Parliament get together and try their best to
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  Speaker 1: sort this issue out.
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  Speaker 3: We would be so happy to Katie.
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  Speaker 4: We've brought several pieces of legislation into the Parliament to
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  Speaker 4: try and address these crime issues which are just through
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  Speaker 4: the roof. We've tried to create committees. We will participate
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  Speaker 4: in anything that the government is willing to have us
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  Speaker 4: participate in. From our position. There's only seven, Katie, I've
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  Speaker 4: got seven out of twenty five. There is an absolute
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  Speaker 4: limit to what I can do. I need government to say, hey, Leah,
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  Speaker 4: can you and your team put their heads together with
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  Speaker 4: my team and come up with something.
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  Speaker 1: You'd be prepared to see even like go back to
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  Speaker 1: the drawing board when it comes to the legislation. You're
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  Speaker 1: prepared to sit down with the government and try your
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  Speaker 1: beast to take a real you know, bipartisan approp.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and this is a thing.
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  Speaker 4: Even with the legislation we've brought previously, Government have just
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  Speaker 4: voted that down. Now they don't have to do that.
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  Speaker 4: They could amend it, they could change it however they like.
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  Speaker 4: Instead they just gun us down and replace our action
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  Speaker 4: with nothing. We are at the table. We want to
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  Speaker 4: see change. I've got two members of parliament in Alice Springs,
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  Speaker 4: one in ten in Kreeg. They are on the frontline
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  Speaker 4: and the cold face of dealing with what's going on
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  Speaker 4: in those communities and it's not okay. You know, Catherine
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  Speaker 4: and and Darwin are experiencing similar things we saw during
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  Speaker 4: the Fanny Bay by election. Even Robin Lamley came to
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  Speaker 4: town and said, I'm here on behalf of people in
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  Speaker 4: Alice Springs to say enough is enough. And I genuinely
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  Speaker 4: don't know what is going to be enough for this
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  Speaker 4: government to take action, but we will keep fighting.
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  Speaker 3: We will keep raising the concerns of the community.
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  Speaker 4: We will always put the right of territories to be
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  Speaker 4: safe above the right of the criminal.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I do want to move along and talk
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  Speaker 1: about this wage freeze. We know that teachers have overwhelmingly
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  Speaker 1: voted the latest off of down. It's becoming pretty clear
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  Speaker 1: that the government is going to have to take a
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  Speaker 1: bit of a hit here, despite the fact that the
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  Speaker 1: government can't afford it, and you know they're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to realistically offer a pay increase. How do you
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  Speaker 1: think that this additional cost should be mitigated?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think we've got to stop the waste for
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  Speaker 4: spending and the pet projects ultimately, but.
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  Speaker 1: That's sort of after the fact. How do you think
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  Speaker 1: that we go to com mitigate it. It but then
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  Speaker 1: we are going to need substantial change to the budget,
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  Speaker 1: I would suspect.
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  Speaker 2: So how would you mitigate it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well I would be in this situation in the
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  Speaker 4: first place. But going forward it requires a change to
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  Speaker 4: how you do your business. It means you've got to
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  Speaker 4: look at the areas where it could be more efficient
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  Speaker 4: spending could take place. You've also got to grow the economy.
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  Speaker 4: We don't think now is a time for austerity. We've
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  Speaker 4: got eleven percent inflation, fuel is through the roof. Things
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  Speaker 4: are not in a great space. But that's why this
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  Speaker 4: government came in. Blew the debt, killed our economy, and
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  Speaker 4: now they're wondering, oh, geez, we don't have any money
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  Speaker 4: to pay the public service. Well, you've had six years
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  Speaker 4: to bugger everything up and now look where we're sitting.
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  Speaker 3: Ultimately, you've got to turn this ship around.
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  Speaker 1: I think though, that there needs to be a review
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  Speaker 1: into executive level jobs and also consultants.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I know consultants is certainly something people talk to
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  Speaker 4: us a lot about that the public service is really
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  Speaker 4: contracting a lot of work that could be done internally
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  Speaker 4: outside and of course they're all things that you've got
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  Speaker 4: to look at. But ultimately we've been very clear about
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  Speaker 4: being at the table for real way is growth. You know,
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  Speaker 4: public servants are humans too, and they can sometimes be
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  Speaker 4: an easy target, but not to us. You know, they're
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  Speaker 4: people paying mortgages, they're people spending money at shops, their
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  Speaker 4: kids are at schools, and they're an important part of
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  Speaker 4: our community.
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  Speaker 1: This is the fact, though, that the public service continues
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  Speaker 1: to grow despite the fact that the populations not sure.
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  Speaker 4: And that's a separate issue. You know, should the public
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  Speaker 4: service just be allowed to exponentially grow? You know, that's
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  Speaker 4: that's not okay either. But punishing the people who go
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  Speaker 4: to work every day doing the right thing for the
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  Speaker 4: government's own fiscal and economic mismanagement is not okay.
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  Speaker 1: We don't I'm getting to though, is you know, and
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  Speaker 1: this is some of the feedback that we get on
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  Speaker 1: the tech line and also through callers, is that you know,
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  Speaker 1: they understand what you're saying, that you can't waste money
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  Speaker 1: and on things like grandstands and that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But we're in the situation.
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  Speaker 1: That we're in now, and it's all well and good
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  Speaker 1: for the opposition to say, well, we would allow the
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  Speaker 1: government or allow the public service, you know, to have
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  Speaker 1: a wage increase, But where is the money going to
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  Speaker 1: come from? And it's going to be an ongoing spend,
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  Speaker 1: So how would.
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  Speaker 2: You deal with that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got a ton of policies to immediately lift
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  Speaker 4: the handbrake on our economy and that really is our
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  Speaker 4: flagship piece around how you deal with debt. We know
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  Speaker 4: we need to tighten our belts, but you can't have austerity.
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  Speaker 4: So what are the levers government can pull? You know,
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  Speaker 4: we've got an approvals fast tracked system which would see
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  Speaker 4: approval time frames cut across government for everything by fifty percent.
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  Speaker 4: That's going to allow private sector investment to flow in
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  Speaker 4: half as much time as this government. We've got different
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  Speaker 4: ways in which we'd run the major project system. Of course,
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  Speaker 4: gas needs to be a huge amount of energy needs
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  Speaker 4: to be put into delivering the remainder of the Pepper
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  Speaker 4: inquiring recommendations and having the right environment that gives people
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  Speaker 4: confidence to be a business and invest in the territory.
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  Speaker 1: You think that a decision like the one around Santos
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  Speaker 1: obviously that we saw last week not going ahead or
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  Speaker 1: being knocked back, how do you think that a decision
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  Speaker 1: like that then impacts the Northern Territory's ability to grow
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  Speaker 1: the economy.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, no doubt.
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  Speaker 4: There'll be a lot of the bigger players looking at that,
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  Speaker 4: but also learning from what may have gone wrong.
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  Speaker 3: What might not have gone wrong.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously Santos they're appealing that decision, so who
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  Speaker 4: knows really, But ultimately things have to be done properly
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  Speaker 4: and our approvals fast track is not about cutting things out.
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  Speaker 4: It's about putting the right resourcing into it so we
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  Speaker 4: can get things moving quicker.
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  Speaker 3: We have a wealth of.
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  Speaker 4: Opportunity in the territory and yet we just seem to
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  Speaker 4: be stagnant and have been for a very long time.
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  Speaker 4: You know, COMSEC we've had fifteen consecutive quarters of being
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  Speaker 4: the worst performing economy in the nation, and yet the
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  Speaker 4: government throw that report in the bin. I mean, this
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  Speaker 4: is a government who's not focused on crime and not
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  Speaker 4: focused on growing our economy, and all of a sudden
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  Speaker 4: they're pretending to be focused on debt by punishing public service.
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  Speaker 4: I mean they're asleep at the wheel. They've got no
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  Speaker 4: direction and people see through them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I think it's a really tough one.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's going to be with this public service wage
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  Speaker 1: truth because as we've discussed obviously the cost of living
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  Speaker 1: as well, and truly there's no doubt about that, but
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  Speaker 1: any pay increase that is offered is going to be
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  Speaker 1: something that continues on down the track.
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  Speaker 2: It's an ongoing expense.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So that's rough.
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  Speaker 4: But the reality is, and we heard the unions basically
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  Speaker 4: say yesterday, if this pay freeze continues, teachers will leave.
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  Speaker 4: We're in term we're about to hit term four. People
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  Speaker 4: are making decisions about what am I doing next year?
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  Speaker 4: What school am I going to be at? And if
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  Speaker 4: they decide, you know what, I'm done with this, I'm moving.
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  Speaker 3: I'm leaving.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sick of crime, I'm sick of the cost of living,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm sick of the pay freeze. We might see
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  Speaker 4: a mass exodus of teachers come Christmas and then be
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  Speaker 4: finding it very, very difficult to start our schools in
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. That is a genuine risk that the
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  Speaker 4: government is putting us in because it blew its money
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  Speaker 4: in the first four years and is scrambling desperately now
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  Speaker 4: to try and work out how to chloroback lea.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to ask you. We know that petrol prices. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that fuel excise is set to end tomorrow. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think we're going to see big increases? I do.
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  Speaker 4: And the reality is most territories never saw any drop
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  Speaker 4: when the fuel excise was cut.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it was a ridiculous situation for us.
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  Speaker 4: We're seeing these huge blowout in prices between the terminal
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  Speaker 4: gate and the Bowser. We actually have legislation on the
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  Speaker 4: table right now, Katie, which is very exciting. Where putting
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  Speaker 4: in the diary to brief government and be brief independent
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  Speaker 4: members and we hope to debate and pass it in
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  Speaker 4: two weeks time. But that would really force downward pressure
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  Speaker 4: on fuel prices. It would force retailers to have to
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  Speaker 4: disclose their profit. It was a recommendation of the a
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  Speaker 4: Triple C back in twenty seventeen and we're really hopeful
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  Speaker 4: government support it, improve it, do something to send these
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  Speaker 4: guys a message you can't keep ripping us off at
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  Speaker 4: the Bowser.
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  Speaker 2: All right, just finally a bit of good news.
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  Speaker 1: We know that this Saturday there's got to be actually
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  Speaker 1: a fantastic fundraiser.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit more about us.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, So eight trielve regiment out at Robertson Barracks. They're
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  Speaker 4: doing Gonna Bear, which is basically a wonderful fundraiser for
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  Speaker 4: Royal dah And Hospital. They've already raised twenty eight thousand
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  Speaker 4: dollars and on Saturday is the big day, So if
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  Speaker 4: you want to donate money and have a bit of
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  Speaker 4: fitness and fun, go to the Esplanade at seven they're
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  Speaker 4: going to run a pt session for a gold coin donation.
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  Speaker 4: Then we're going to have upwards of one hundred military
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  Speaker 4: personnel pushing an artillery gun all the way from the
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  Speaker 4: Esplanad to Royal Darwin Hospital, which is insane and amazing
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  Speaker 4: and wonderful. If you want to see it and donate,
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  Speaker 4: you can go to Gunner Bear twenty twenty two on Facebook,
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  Speaker 4: but also stop past Tire Plus at Stuart Park, go
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  Speaker 4: to Casorina Square or Land Miller McDonald's and you will
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  Speaker 4: literally see these guys pushing artillery gun all the way.
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  Speaker 3: To the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: Always a sight to behold.
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  Speaker 1: It is wonderful when it happens, and a big congratulations
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  Speaker 1: and well done to them. Twenty eight thousand dollars already,
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  Speaker 1: and you know there's still quite some time to go,
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  Speaker 1: so we'll keep a close on that we might even
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  Speaker 1: see if we can get somebody on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Lea Finocchiaro, the opposition leader, good to speak with you
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  Speaker 1: this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for your time.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Take care,