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- 0:01GPS Audiovisual Radio every Wednesday at 19 hours. The protagonist is Argentine cinema.
- 0:11In Julia Montesoro' s eyes, a treasure, a program with a gender
- 0:15perspective that nucleates the country' s film industry. Argentine cinema will never be
- 0:34the one it is until now. We, from GPS Audiovisual, continue to
- 0:42bet, believing in culture as the fundamental pillar of a society, a culture
- 0:49that is plural, free, accessible, diverse and has State resources for its
- 0:57development. Welcome to GPS audiovisual Radio, with the journalistic production of Norberto chap
- 1:04En, the Gonzalo Sorais controls, in the artistic direction Jessica Bernardu and in
- 1:11the driving Who speaks Julia Montesoro. Carmen Guarini is the Director General of the
- 1:1924th Buenos Aires International Film Show, the famous Doc Buenos Aires, which will
- 1:25take place from 20 to 25 August. We started this radio audio- visual
- 1:33GPS broadcast with Carmen. Thank you so much for joining us. How are
- 1:38you? All right, all right, Julia, thanks to you for this
- 1:42good call how a show is organized in front of such an adverse context as
- 1:51the one that goes through cinema and culture in general right now. Well,
- 1:57we' re still wondering what it' s like to be able to do.
- 2:00Actually, we don' t have any financial support from the National Film
- 2:08Institute this year. I must say, I didn' t get it from
- 2:12last year either. Although it was agreed, I didn' t get to
- 2:15collect it and change management, I couldn' t do, let' s
- 2:23say recover the funds already invested, so actually, like last year, we
- 2:25' re going to do it only with the money of the patron and with
- 2:31a small fund of aid from institutions we received, which is very small,
- 2:37too and then well, with the goodwill of the team and really works a
- 2:42lot. This is a festival that is actually done out of love, out
- 2:45of affection, out of love for cinema and let' s say and a
- 2:52little bit for the continuity of a tradition in a cinema that we believe,
- 2:57so it seems to us that it is a space to follow, we have
- 2:59to keep betting. That' s exactly right now. The call was affected.
- 3:04Less documentaries were registered this year. Precisely because of this situation. There
- 3:10' s a confusion about that. The Dos Buenos Aires is not an open
- 3:14festival. We do healing just because it' s a non- competitive festival.
- 3:24So, in the first ten years, we' d have more or
- 3:30less called, but it was a much bigger team, with other funds,
- 3:34and so on. From a certain point on, we decided to simply select
- 3:38what we liked. Then it works that way. I get a few movies
- 3:46to mill, and a lot more to Roger. Besides, Roger, he
- 3:51' s a programmer for many other international festivals, so he has access to
- 3:55a lot of material. And, in addition, we made a decision this
- 4:00year, which is also a political decision, which is to give in ninety
- 4:04percent Argentine cinema, so the program is practically Argentine cinema. There are four
- 4:12or five exceptions that are films that are of very important directors, such as
- 4:19Radio Jude as Yani Kani Kiluki, Well and two or three more, but
- 4:27the program is already telling you with local directors, which directors, of course,
- 4:34also very renowned. Many have already gone through other editions of the doc
- 4:39Buenos Aires and we are very, very happy with the programming, but well
- 4:45it has also to do with a decision to give it screens at this moment
- 4:50when screens are scarce, that the Argentine cinema supports it, yes, exactly
- 4:58then well, we want to also install a certain debate around the topic how
- 5:01we will continue that in such a context of so much crisis, not exactly
- 5:09good. Among all these titles, in the advances that have been known so
- 5:15far of programming, there is already the opening film of the Dos Buenos Aires,
- 5:21which is going to be any civilization document of Tatiana Mazú González. What
- 5:29you found in that movie and what allegories you found with the conjuncture we went
- 5:34through. Well, it' s very straightforward, but we have to say
- 5:42that Tatiana already had a retrospective focus, a tribute two years ago. I
- 5:46believe in Dos Buenos Aires, which, despite being a very young director,
- 5:49already has a very important work, especially because of the depth of her gaze.
- 5:56No and this film, for example, has just won the grand or
- 6:00the Marseille Festival, so it comes with all the merits and all the expectation,
- 6:06while raising a Tatiana film. It seems to me that it is a
- 6:12film that we say has a search where she always works in the formal and
- 6:19the conceptual, in a way that is directly linked to the political. Or
- 6:26that seems very, very important, but not a party policy thing, but
- 6:30political, a social or social look. I wouldn' t call it social,
- 6:39it' s a thoughtful look. I' d even say philosophical.
- 6:44Let' s say what happens in the world today, in this world.
- 6:46Capital is today, in this world in crisis. If they were to refer,
- 6:50of course, to specific issues relating to social conflicts and, above all,
- 6:59to the issue of young people killed by the police. It' s
- 7:04not the single axis of work. So, they' re jobs, plus
- 7:11they' re hard to synthesize. In a synopsis. I can' t
- 7:15tell you the movie is about because it' s always an open look.
- 7:19So what' s interesting is that you enjoy being able to get into your
- 7:25thinking and your logic and photography, which is wonderful from the movie. So,
- 7:31well, nothing. We just think it' s an excellent start,
- 7:36plus a female director. No, yeah, yeah, okay. It was
- 7:41also anticipated that there will be a tribute to Edgardo Kosarinski. What is Edgardo
- 7:46Kosariski' s legacy in Dos Buenos Aires and in Argentine cinema, in particular
- 7:56Mira. I think it' s just that he' s left a deep
- 8:03mark on many filmmakers who met him since the late 1990s. If the first
- 8:07time I met him in Kosanskil in the year ninety- nine in Paris,
- 8:13because he had just contacted Marcelo Cespedes, who already knew him. I don
- 8:20' t know if she' d seen her movie or reference. We went
- 8:22to see him and there he asked why not take a retrospective of his work
- 8:28in Buenos Aires. He' s never done it before. So it was
- 8:37really interesting. The films were brought in, but the films were passed in
- 8:41the buffici Then after we made, we passed some of his films less seen
- 8:50in successive dogs Buenos Aires. But it was very interesting because after that it
- 8:58began to say, let' s say the public, the Argentine public,
- 9:05the film- making audience, above all, began to discover this filmmaker who
- 9:07called him a secret filmmaker. It was very interesting and, besides, well,
- 9:13then he created himself already living here in Argentina. A very direct link.
- 9:18However, many young directors and directors who immediately adopted him. Not if
- 9:28you listen to me. Well, we are in communication with Carmen Guarini,
- 9:35who is the general director of the Dog Buenos Aires, whose twenty- fourth
- 9:43edition is to be held from 20 to 25 August. Carmen is then telling
- 9:48us how this edition of the Dos Buenos Aires will be. And speaking also
- 9:54of very representative characters, very dear, very significant, as is the case
- 10:03of Edgardo Cosarisk, the recently deceased filmmaker and writer, who well left a
- 10:11mark on a whole generation of young directors and directors with whom he worked or
- 10:16who approached his work. We follow in audiovisual GPS, radio, missions or
- 11:46missions a movie destination bet on growth, doing little in the future and nature,
- 11:56diversity and professional passion. Industry end one place all the stories. The
- 12:05team filmed on mission from tomorrow Thursday, first in theaters of the country and
- 12:22from Saturday three in the cinema Arte Cacodelfia of Buenos Aires, the fantastic drama
- 12:28of terror premieres. The effort is the prima opera of the screenwriter and director
- 12:35Augusto Sinai, with production of Fogon. Cinema is inspired by Leopoldo Lugones'
- 12:41s homonymous story and is the result of an exhaustive historical research work by director
- 12:50Augusto Sinai, with whom we are now on GPS audiovisual radio. How do
- 12:56you like it, welcome back Hi, how are you? Thank you very
- 13:00much for the invitation. It' s a pleasure and a pride to be
- 13:03here at JPS audiovisual. Okay. Thank you very much and it is a
- 13:07pleasure for us to have you too. Well, the sting proposes a journey
- 13:16of its protagonist with elements of fantastic cinema, gauchesco western and terror. What
- 13:24a trip you set out to make when you told this movie. Well look
- 13:30at me are genres that I like a lot, terror, the fantastic and
- 13:35I also really like the history of Argentina. So I started the trip to
- 13:41make this movie with those two elements. As a trigger seed. Starting from
- 13:50a film inspired by a story by Leopoldo Lugones, I began to adapt a
- 13:56two- page story. It is quite brief, which supposes that adaptation is
- 14:01quite loose or free as one more inspiration, one adaptation yes and then my
- 14:09idea, my journey, as we said to adapt them. It was that
- 14:16starting from the elements that I liked that are the cinema, genre, the
- 14:18Argentine history, inspired by an Argentine tale, starting from all those elements to
- 14:28create the journey of a young gaucho who throughout the whole film, in addition
- 14:35to all the layers that has the film of the metaphor of the war,
- 14:39of the war and all that is also a walking okage, that is to
- 14:43say, the protagonist grow in adult throughout all this delirium that little by little,
- 14:48what seems to be a Costumbrist, is going to be forming in a
- 14:54delusion before the journey of the film. And it really was, as I
- 15:01said right in the question, it was a trip to make the movie.
- 15:03I mean, it was a seven- year trip to write the script to
- 15:07adapt the story. The historical research you mentioned at first was really a good
- 15:16trip. You looked for references in 19th century literature from just a story by
- 15:22Leopoldo Lugones In a research work that, by the way, is rare in
- 15:26Argentine cinema. It' s your idea to start as a director. It
- 15:33was from that story, or there were others going around and they were discarded
- 15:41Mira. I studied at Lenerc Then I came up with the idea of being
- 15:46a director. I studied kintographic direction in energy, so my course was quite
- 15:52defined. What I do astro cinema is what I always dreamed, what I
- 15:56love most and particularly decide to adapt this story. It was a lot of
- 16:07things. On the one hand, as I mentioned, my love for genre
- 16:10cinema and, on the other hand, of beginning to realize that we in
- 16:14Argentina have a great tradition of fantastic literature. That' s the truth that
- 16:19motivated me a lot and particularly good lugones I found in this book called The
- 16:26Strange Forces. The truth is that many ideas and, as I told you
- 16:30before, also my love for history. So well as deciding that this is
- 16:36my first film as a director, it has to do with all that and
- 16:41also something I say in another range of things. I wanted to do something
- 16:48ambitious, not come out a little bit. I' m from Cordoba.
- 16:53I spent almost every summer of my childhood inside. Then I have as in
- 17:00contact with landscapes and with nature, and all that I have very rooted and
- 17:04even though I love Buenos Aires, I loved to study in energy I understand
- 17:10that my first film has much more to do with these other landscapes than with
- 17:14a great good city paved with landscapes. So is the back. The saw
- 17:22is not an impressive place now for the leading role. The character who makes
- 17:30that trip between the mountains, between the violent the hallucinatory you chose an actor
- 17:37with no experience, a non- actor. You could say with the face
- 17:42of a man without age what the job consisted of and what led you to
- 17:49take the risk of trusting him Mira, that is, Cristóbal, who is
- 17:56a great equal actor. He' s not what, he' s not
- 18:00a non- actor, but he had studied theater, he came from making
- 18:07a play when he was a kid. I' m saying what I didn
- 18:11' t have to do was make so much film, but he' s
- 18:15really passionate about acting. For me, the movie needed someone who likes acting.
- 18:25I needed someone who is passionate about acting, because the character makes a
- 18:30very resounding journey, from a type of personality to something totally different, changed
- 18:37and affected by all the other characters that is on the way, and there
- 18:45are scenes in which in a minute of scene he has to move from one
- 18:48mood to another filmed in a rather hostile natural landscape, with a period costume.
- 19:00There were a lot of elements that had the movie that took me to
- 19:04the 18th. I need the protagonist to do it to someone who really likes
- 19:10the performance, who has been tanned in that role because it seemed to me
- 19:18that working with non- actors or as they tell them in Spain, that
- 19:22I like more that they call them natural actors. It was very difficult out
- 19:30there for the short time we had to shoot, as I was saying,
- 19:33the first very ambitious film that we wanted to film. I don' t
- 19:38know thirty plans a day, for example, to make the montage that I
- 19:42imagined in my storyborg These I say I need it to be someone who adds
- 19:48this madness and the truth that Cristóbal is an actazo I say not only that
- 19:56he added this madness, that he had the tools to do it and I
- 20:03think for me he has a very promising future And they' re going to
- 20:10see in the film that in very few words transmits mountains as with concepts,
- 20:15with the look how it relates to every one of the loquísi characters that find
- 20:18the whole film. The work of Christ is truly incredible and, in addition,
- 20:22he is a protagonist. It is not a very, very big responsibility
- 20:30to make a prima opera, also from now on, a protagonist forgiveness with
- 20:34all the lyrics, because I say, the whole film is a journey of
- 20:38him. Only that point of view, exactly follows the journey through its course.
- 20:47Totally now the effort speaks of a legend, a rural superstition. In
- 20:56your research you discovered whether that legend really existed in real life or whether it
- 21:03was a narrative resource of Leopoldo Lugones and that you then served in quotation marks
- 21:12to transform it into this story. Look at that In my research we never
- 21:21managed to know if the legend that lugones raises in the story, which is
- 21:26very specific, is who kills an effort and you don' t learn fire
- 21:32the remains, the animal is going to resurrect to get revenge. I have
- 21:34the theory because we ask it many times we try to trace. That.
- 21:38For me it' s something that invented rules from their own places, that
- 21:44also a little grace and what the story has. But yes, for example,
- 21:51we talked to a specialist of stings who has a thesis with Elset about
- 21:55efforts in Argentina and told us that it is normal that a lot of legends
- 22:00are created around this animal, because it is a very mysterious animal, an
- 22:04animal that is a kind of toad but that has teeth that does not eat
- 22:11bugs, but that eats animals, and that most of the year is underground.
- 22:15So all this research and talking to this specialist, it served me too
- 22:19to give him an imaginary throughout the film. In the movie, he'
- 22:26s a monster, he' s strutá, trying slowly, I mean,
- 22:32with fragments, with shadows. Yes, yes, exactly, yes, yes.
- 22:34Well, the movie also has a great period recreation job. Not because
- 22:41it is located in one thousand eight hundred sixty- six, because initially you
- 22:48thought of it in black and white. Precisely because of this aspect. Yeah,
- 22:52at first I started thinking about the movie in black and white. And
- 22:57it was during the competition against Leizer' s Raimundo that we won, Leyzer
- 23:04' s raymul contest, which was in the ink. Now, unfortunately,
- 23:07he' s following us more. It was a fascinating contest to develop projects.
- 23:11That' s when, speaking to the tutors, especially tutor Eduardo Rasco,
- 23:15who is a great director of our purposes, he began to ask me
- 23:18well, why black and white, and I said good because I imagined the
- 23:23time more, because of the photographs of the time. And then with Eduardo
- 23:27we began to see that the paintings of the time, the watercolors, the
- 23:33gooseberries and everything really painted during that time told us a lot of the colors
- 23:40and textures of that time. Then, then, with the director of photography,
- 23:44we worked on making the color film and being able to carry those paintings.
- 23:52Do a little bit that our House has a little bit of that.
- 23:56So we work with textures forward the lens to make the girls not so defined
- 24:03the digital lines. It was a great photography work by Martin inherited the truth,
- 24:08also photography from the beginning of the project, you said a moment ago,
- 24:18seven years ago, until its premiere, it evolved and took shape,
- 24:26as it happens with the projects. Not what you see now with the film
- 24:32finished, that you didn' t see at the beginning of the road.
- 24:34What did you learn on this journey that metaphorically is the same journey as the
- 24:40protagonist. Well, I learned that you can do something ambitious because, in
- 24:48fact, when I started writing the project, contrary to what is often done
- 24:51in our cinema, which is to write something and go cutting it by budget,
- 24:59I started writing something rather shy guy in quotes and throughout the writing process
- 25:06and workshops and with a workshop with my great teacher, Christian Bernard, we
- 25:11also went like making the project grow and I sometimes wondered we' re going
- 25:15to be able to do this delusion, we' re going to make this
- 25:21monster, this end and Christ. He told me about it later, you
- 25:26figured it out. First I thought about the story and the reality is that
- 25:30the story was so powerful and the people on the team got so excited about
- 25:34making this kind of movie that we made it. So I think that with
- 25:37a great learning that can be done, we can do what we want today,
- 25:41because of the amount of technical equipment that we have in Cordoba, in
- 25:45Argentina. I mean working, I did, as I told you before,
- 25:49I did a storyboard of the whole movie. So I think that my great
- 25:52learning was that you can aim to do something ambitious and something unique, because
- 25:59also that it is not framed in a particular place, but that it is
- 26:03a very unique movie and nothing a nice learning. In short, despite everything
- 26:10costly, it costs in economic terms from now on, but also in terms
- 26:21of bringing that exact project to fruition. It is not a minor fact in
- 26:30a primal opera, of course it is not much less so. So,
- 26:36well, Augusto Sinai, director, screenwriter and producer of the effort, congratulations
- 26:44on getting to this port. Thank you very much for joining us and well
- 26:49let us remember then that from tomorrow it is presented in theaters of Argentina and
- 26:56from Saturday three in the cinema art Cacodelfia of Buenos Aires. We will be
- 26:59accompanying this premiere qualified by someone you just mentioned, filmmaker and producer Christian Bernard,
- 27:07as a masterpiece and surely one of the great titles of the season.
- 27:14Thank you so much. I' ll send you a hug. Thank you
- 27:17so much. Thank you very much, we' re still on GPS audio
- 27:26- visual radio. Residents registered under the category of vagrants and incorrigible. I
- 27:37know that they will be made available to the Government as a will. It
- 27:48' s just that if you' ve heard a chip effort from him and
- 27:53for blood, you' re really afraid of this Kanaike Tillan bug. You
- 27:57' re not old enough to volunteer, you' re old enough. You
- 28:00also know what you do with deserters, everything that touches your masters corpses and
- 28:15the world will be late. You' re fine as friend I or effort.
- 28:40A film by Augusto Sinai, awarded in Spain, Mexico and Brazil from
- 28:47the one of August exclusively in theaters to obtain a grant from the Wared Cinema
- 29:03Fan of the Berlin Ale for its project La Libertad doble to almost a quarter
- 29:10of a century of its opera prima la Libertad. We' re with Lisandro
- 29:15Alonso. Thank you so much for joining us here on GPS audio- visual
- 29:18radio. Welcome, how are you Hello or what, Julia, all right,
- 29:22listen well, we listen well and we look good. So, well,
- 29:30exactly what this grant consists of and to what extent it contributes to the
- 29:36realization of the project Lisandro Mira is a film that I wrote with Méndez a
- 29:42little while ago and I started looking for funding, as I usually do with
- 29:48the kind of films that I produced from Argentina in Europe, and well,
- 29:53you present the script and see what kind of endorsements you can get. They
- 29:56are usually naval in I don' t know, France, in Germany,
- 30:00in Spain, where the project finds boyfriend or girlfriend in some way. More
- 30:04than anything, it is a value for more than a money in euros.
- 30:10It is more than anything a European voucher that makes other zavals, other institutions
- 30:15also enter into co- production of the film and arouse interest, that is,
- 30:22it is like a link to the search for partners to realize the project.
- 30:26In short, yes, in fact, he is already an acquired partner
- 30:32because to receive international funds you have to have a local producer. Then I
- 30:37have to associate with another German producer in order to access that benefit. And
- 30:41what a job. Yeah, what' s double freedom about? I tell
- 30:47you what the origin of the project is and how it has, how much
- 30:52saga it has from your first film. It' s a good question that
- 30:56Julia or I' m still not clear, but I can answer you.
- 31:02I would like to take pleasure in working again with Isael Saavedra, who is
- 31:07the archer with whom I worked in my first release film about twenty- five
- 31:11years ago, in the same place where I filmed it, with the same
- 31:15technical equipment that I filmed it and with the same production structure that was filmed
- 31:18by eight technicians, ten days of filming, fifty- four cans of material,
- 31:25thirty- five millimetre elbow and a very, very, very small budget.
- 31:32Then he was buying in other films a little bit of budget perhaps higher.
- 31:37But the idea is to give me the last movie I made, which
- 31:42maybe was the biggest one I ever made. He had five international producers and
- 31:45he had a budget the biggest, perhaps even of all my films together,
- 31:51and it was like a half tedious for me because of the filming conditions and
- 31:56by different factors. Then I decided to give me the satisfaction of enjoying a
- 32:02shoot again in some way and to join the people I want to film with.
- 32:07In Argentina, the province of La Pampa In fact, I am here
- 32:09now in the field where I filmed that film and we had planned to sign
- 32:16it perhaps by the end of the year. If everything goes on more or
- 32:19less well, yes, I mean, the project is on course, let
- 32:27' s say and look at me usually once I start a project until I
- 32:30finish it, I find it hard to leave on the boat, so I
- 32:35figure I' m going to do it, because this one especially gives me
- 32:37a lot of satisfaction. It gives me the strange thing as much as I
- 32:42speak everyday. Or I change message with my Isael, the protagonist. I
- 32:45would like to resign with him, give him a hug and give him the
- 32:49excuse to re- sign this freedom two, if you want, after thirty
- 32:52years, with some factors that have changed both in his life and in mine
- 32:55as in the world in Argentina that we live and I would also like to
- 33:02involve that a little bit and talk a little bit also in the situation that
- 33:07we live today in Argentina, that Misael let us say the character of Nisal
- 33:15does not change so much. But, there are other factors that are going
- 33:20to appear in this second part of the film that concern other moments in the
- 33:25adult life of each of the people that appear in the film, perhaps more
- 33:30the social aspect, if you want history or the environment, yes, more
- 33:36personal relationships of it. How to face and take charge of other demands that
- 33:43add the freedom that he had as a young man and how to take care
- 33:47of loved ones, how to see if they have the tools to carry out
- 33:52that task? See if the state helps you carry out that task and how
- 33:57to deal with that thing that came over you. No. This is a
- 34:02year, I understand myself special to you. Meanwhile, last March a retrospective
- 34:07of your work was held for the first time in Argentina. What meaning does
- 34:15that have for you And to me it caused an enormous pleasure because they have
- 34:22made me say without sinning arrogantly, they have made me several quite retrospectives outside
- 34:27Argentina, but that give in Argentina is, as it gave me a greater
- 34:31pleasure and, above all, that it was in a room that I love
- 34:34very much. In fact, I filmed a movie at the San Martin Theatre.
- 34:37The truth that it was was very nice for me to be able to
- 34:43pass and see and dialogue with the audience in the lugone room and see a
- 34:47little back that was what I did I said neither that I am one hundred
- 34:52twenty thousand years old, but good is this God I say demanded as much
- 34:57energy. I' m not here to cry, because I' m very
- 34:59lucky. I was very lucky in the places I was and in the moments
- 35:04I was to be able to finance my films and make the film that I
- 35:08want, not the ones that I demand, I don' t know who,
- 35:13but the ones that I want as I believe, and to always carry
- 35:17them forward, obviously, and that I have a team of friends and technicians
- 35:22and faithful professionals who also believe more or less in the proposal and curious the
- 35:25proposal, beyond which we don' t know very well what it will end
- 35:30up being. But it' s worth revealing the intrigue you mentioned a moment
- 35:38ago that you grew up as far as I' d say in film funding.
- 35:46Not now I listened to you and thought so, obviously, that,
- 35:52on the one hand, was a very big benefit, but, on the
- 35:58other, I understand that it affects you to want to go back to the
- 36:01sources. No yes, especially because I feel like going back to the source.
- 36:07Unfortunately, or I don' t know what. There' s a
- 36:10lot of material. I think there' s going to be a lot of
- 36:14material to sign from now on, in Argentina, and they' re not
- 36:19in Buenos Aires, but outside of Buenos Aires, and I' m struck
- 36:22when I started, all this started, the new Argentine cinema that if it
- 36:27' s right, I don' t remember good. We are always half
- 36:28crisis, that I am right, but the two thousand two thousand one had
- 36:31a lot of a very big social crisis and many filming colleagues began to film
- 36:37the result of the political conclusions of the turn And it seems to me this
- 36:44is a rich moment also to see where to carry the microphones in the Chamber
- 36:50and try to accompany from the side that one touches what is happening around us
- 36:54or at least where one wants to put the accent or his body, his
- 37:00sensitivity, in this case cinematographic, audiovisual. And that catches me a little
- 37:07curious here and with the same elements that I did so many years ago and
- 37:14see what I can do with those tools. Well in parallel, almost simultaneously,
- 37:23with that retrospective that you were dedicated to in the lubons, your new
- 37:30film was released in the last one so far, Eureka, after a decade
- 37:35ago you weren' t filming yes, yes, it wasn' t that
- 37:39it was a choice, but it was a coincidence of factors against the film
- 37:45' s production. It took us, like, three years to get six
- 37:50weeks to film. But, well, the project demanded, four countries were
- 37:54filmed. It was signed in Portugal, Spain, Mexico, the United States
- 37:58and in between we were caught as different stages in the pandemic, in different
- 38:06countries. In other words, each part of the filming demanded a new technical
- 38:10team, with new protocols at the borders and visas. And well, and
- 38:16it was necessary to accommodate the people of many different people in order to be
- 38:23able to carry forward also to expect climatic questions that each place demanded, be
- 38:31winter, be summer and so on. And also, as I signed,
- 38:35I was lucky enough to sign with some renowned professional actors, as Mortens says,
- 38:38I love him more Truyani or someone else who may forget about Guadanilo or
- 38:44Manaos. But also in the film that I filmed there are actors from indigenous
- 38:52communities or indigenous reserves who are not familiar with the world of making a film,
- 38:59and that demands more time, so it made me travel previously to the
- 39:02places where I wanted to film, either in Oaxaca, Mexico or on a
- 39:06rich footing in the United States, in the coota del Sur, with time
- 39:10before the ación years I tell you to achieve a certain bond with the people
- 39:15that I wanted to film and to more or less accept or embrace the project
- 39:22and it is not an obligation for them to make the changes of money,
- 39:27but it also causes a little pleasure or curiosity to know what the film was
- 39:30about. Last April, in Los Angeles, you expressed the possibility that double
- 39:37freedom will be your last film. This was circumstantial, or it' s
- 39:45already a decision made, all decisions. It doesn' t cost me,
- 39:52but it seems to me that if I look at it as well as romantically,
- 40:00it wouldn' t be bad that I know because I could close the
- 40:05cycle with which I started, with the same protagonist and the same landscape and
- 40:10I don' t know twenty- five years later. I would like it
- 40:12to be kind of cute, whether you want it or romantic, I don
- 40:17' t know if it' s going to be like I' m saying
- 40:22how things are and how the cinema is, not just in Argentina, but
- 40:22internationally. It' s hard to film too and I also have other personal
- 40:31priorities that I want to do as well. I say not just film movies
- 40:34because it takes a lot of time to put them in the head even though
- 40:37they' re movies that, maybe, aren' t for a majority audience.
- 40:39It demands the same energy as a commercial film or, at least to
- 40:43me, the hourly time I think of the film I want to film,
- 40:47perhaps it is the same as a director who is more commercial or has a
- 40:55wider audience success than he or she does. I think it' s okay.
- 41:01That feeds me to think that too by being honest and I need food
- 41:09to be able to carry out. As you well said before, it took
- 41:15me ten years to make my last movie and I mean, it' s
- 41:19not like I' m throwing autologies, but you have to have a certain
- 41:23tenacity not to leave the boat halfway, that is, I' d better
- 41:27change my echoly. Yeah, ten years old, and well, it'
- 41:30s ten years old that I put the head on that company that was making
- 41:35that movie and putting the body in that place. Well, so far I
- 41:38consider myself successful in some way, because every movie I made opened the door
- 41:43for me to make another. That for me is a huge achievement, not
- 41:46only in Argentina, but anywhere in the world where someone dedicates or dedicates half
- 41:52of their professional life to carry that activity forward. Yes, exactly well,
- 42:00Lisandro Alonso, thank you so much for joining us. Let' s be
- 42:05attentive then to what happens with double freedom I send you a hug and thank
- 42:09you so much for this contact pleasure tadomio, Thanks to you ta then we
- 42:15continue in audiovisual gp, radio mira. They' re dancing. Well,
- 42:27you show me. The wind stops shining so brightly in the chapel that you
- 42:37' re going to blind us all and appear this way out of nowhere,
- 42:46if not more mother. This is not a sign. It' s a
- 42:52miracle. The name of the father, of the son, of the holy
- 43:05spirit, also the feast of ossions day. I don' t know why
- 43:20she did it, but she did it, and it' s going to
- 43:27have to do with the gentleman what happened, what happened, what' s
- 43:38going on, what' s going on, what' s going on,
- 43:38what' s going on, what' s going on, what' s
- 43:38going on, what' s going on, what' s going on,
- 43:38what' s going on, what' s going on? That' s
- 43:40a little bit. It may be, it may not, for if you
- 43:51want it to be a miracle, it is, after all, a mystery.
- 44:00Nobody knows anything. The wind is only well the Sheets are only chronic
- 44:12Sabbaths of a wandering saint. A film by Tomás Gómez Justillo, something more
- 44:17that we can' t win at festivals in the United States and Germany.
- 44:22I premiere on August 15 in Salas alone. Argentine cinema will be present in
- 44:32the official section of the San Sebastián International Film Festival, through the man who
- 44:37loved Diego Lerman' s flying dishes. It is a fiction about the remembered
- 44:45television journalist José de Zer, who, almost forty years ago from the television
- 44:52screen, generated a collective psychosis with the news of his position these visits by
- 44:59aliens of aliens in the mountains of Cordoba. We' re with Diego Lerman.
- 45:07It' s a great pleasure to welcome you here on GPS audio-
- 45:09visual radio. How are you, how are you, Julia, how are
- 45:14you doing very well, well well, how does the man who loved flying
- 45:20plates count and a little bit. The film is very freely inspired by what
- 45:25was known about the public character of José Cer that you were not his real
- 45:31name, but not good is how it deals with a man who covers shows
- 45:38and suddenly one day finds a footprint, burnt grass pastures. We are in
- 45:45the year eighty- six and from there creates a fantastic saga on television,
- 45:52in what was Argentine television about alien presence and a collective psychosis. And well,
- 46:00anyway, a little bit, the film goes about beliefs too and so
- 46:05is the point of view from where reality is seen or perceived and these issues
- 46:12out there that you can' t see or touch, like aliens or religion
- 46:17or beliefs, well what happens to them and that, however, you can
- 46:22' t see or touch them. But, however, they are for many
- 46:29very credible, not very tangible. I mean totally and it' s got
- 46:35something really funny. The film has a whole comedy area also where well,
- 46:39he makes the notes in this village lost in the middle of the mountain and
- 46:43they start to act and to make part of the whole town, because,
- 46:46well, tourism also grows, that begins to grow and begins to agree with
- 46:53him. And well, in the middle of all that charade, more singular
- 47:00questions like and good begin to appear and the character begins to question if he
- 47:09is not a chosen one, but will be a sign of different things.
- 47:15I don' t want to spoil too much, no, but I gather
- 47:21that messianism, so present in our day, is another theanist. This other
- 47:23aspects of the film. Messianism is very present. The religious is also present.
- 47:34Fage New is the daily origin of the New faith. It was a
- 47:38news show, not a news show. Yeah, and well, then to
- 47:44what extent to entertain the viewer. It was a goal where everything was valid.
- 47:52That' s quite the way it is, very much remembered that cycle.
- 47:58Well, since when did you have the middle of this story I tell
- 48:01and how did you get to shape it, because I think it was your
- 48:06project a long time ago, not for a long time. It' s
- 48:09a script that' s gonna start me five years ago, well before the
- 48:15understudy. I sometimes work in parallel scripts that some never know where they'
- 48:21re going to go. The theme of this script is that it was a
- 48:24very expensive movie. The reality was that it was a movie that we didn
- 48:29' t even know how to start trying to finance. But, well,
- 48:36it was a script I had a long time ago. At one point Netflix
- 48:38people told me they wanted to do things with me, do things together.
- 48:45I got called that and well, and then they asked me what projects I
- 48:52' d like to do and I took out the script I had and I
- 48:59said this is the project I' d love to be. But if we
- 49:00can do it in ideal conditions and propose a couple of conditions, a period
- 49:07film is a movie that has many extras I wanted to work with the people
- 49:12of the villages where we film. We are going to comb in Carolina,
- 49:17in the province of San Luis, a large part of the film, another
- 49:21part in Buenos Aires, and well the conditions and paradox are over. That
- 49:28is why the medium of this hecatombe of our cinema that we are living,
- 49:35of everything that is happening with the funding of the Institute of Cinema the promotion,
- 49:42we were filming outside the Institute, financed by a platform through our producer,
- 49:49with the usual team. But, well, that' s how it
- 49:54was made and it was possible to make this movie and what references did you
- 50:02have in Joseph' s voice of being before this I also thought about aliens
- 50:08was something that attracted you. Yeah, I' m attracted to it for
- 50:13a long time. I went on vacation, I go to Cordoba, to
- 50:15the province of Cordoba, and there are all kinds of stories. I don
- 50:21' t know much place, different places, there' s a lot of
- 50:30mythology too and on one of those holidays I went to chapel. I was
- 50:35accompanied by a friend of mine to go to Monte Chapel to see what was
- 50:42remembered and there, well, I met a couple of characters and they started
- 50:45telling me this in the framework of a vacation and I no longer remember if
- 50:51five years ago and I took notes and well I started to contact the people
- 50:53of the place. I remembered a little bit. The saga has something.
- 50:58You also saw Orson Weld, if the War of the Worlds, because people
- 51:01from all over came to settle down sects at one point I spoke to a
- 51:07former mayor who told me that the problem of the moment was that the phenomenon
- 51:12was so great that sects came and settled and they didn' t know what
- 51:16was going on, like the place was energetic, what was going on between
- 51:21the sect. It is a very referential and referenced place and for everything that
- 51:27works with energies. Madonna arrives in Argentina and asks first to go to Capilla
- 51:31del Monte and then go to Buenos Aires. Let' s say there is
- 51:37the uritorco and all the historians a good theology and there are a lot of
- 51:44questions there that interested me on different sides and when I started to see that
- 51:52there was like a lot of broth and a lot of cloth and the research
- 51:59was growing, it was that I started to write the script can be understood,
- 52:10yes understand as a tribute to the iconic characters of our childhoods. The
- 52:10man who loved flying dishes, or I think it' s more a tribute
- 52:17to Jose Zer has something to me that I liked and attracted me. Juan
- 52:25José Zer is also a character with different stages. He covered the tabloid or
- 52:31different events, as I was interested in the one of the show chronicler who
- 52:38suddenly wants to do something on the news, so he has some shows and
- 52:47well there from that world, from his universe. In fact, the film
- 52:52starts with a musical. It' s a very free movie. Also very
- 52:59his participation Monicayos like Bedets, for example, from that part, which is
- 53:07a spectacular participation, because he learned a whole very complicated number, but yes,
- 53:15it has to do with something to revisit the eighties And what it was,
- 53:19because the eighties was a decade of beliefs and all that was in bloom
- 53:24of skin. Not later comes a more skeptical time with these and now I
- 53:30don' t know what time we are in, but we are in a
- 53:36very rare time, very very strange, almost like aliens. It is not
- 53:39very strange, but very earthly, unfortunately, but some of the messianic blooms
- 53:46again, not like those leaders who come in the name of divine forces and
- 53:53promise yes this non- existent worlds of the two miraculous, exactly miraculous yes.
- 54:02Well, let' s remember then that the protagonist of this comedy I
- 54:10don' t know how to call it. This is Leonard is Baraglia,
- 54:15which is why you see bright photos. We didn' t want to work
- 54:22together. A lot ago and well, when I had this script, I
- 54:25called him and told him that I have the project to do together this as
- 54:30soon as I guide him. He said well, I am. I don
- 54:31' t know, I don' t even know when you' re planning
- 54:38on doing it, but I' m here and it wasn' t spectacular.
- 54:38He' d go to ninety- eight percent of the scenes, wear
- 54:43and delivery. Physically, it was a really good shoot. It was filmed
- 54:50in four provinces, not in four different places, much more demanded to heat
- 54:55the mountain with different temperatures. It was also a long filming, so it
- 55:07makes them a sensational work, a composition very almost unrecognizable. It' s
- 55:15at times good to do, obviously, but it' s taken, it
- 55:22' s taken by an energy counted by aliens. Then something to Diego Lerman.
- 55:27Thank you so much for this contact. Well, congratulations on this World
- 55:32Premier. In the official section of the San Sebastián International Film Festival we will
- 55:37be very attentive, as always, following Argentine cinema. I' ll send
- 55:43you a big hug and well, thank you very much, well, a
- 55:46big b that Julia, thank you, and we' ll see you around
- 55:53until next Wednesday we' re saying goodbye here on GPS audio- visual radio,
- 55:59on radio train topic. After nine, do not leave because bad night
- 56:04is coming and remember, as we always say, but today more than ever
- 56:10you see Argentine cinema. Thank you and see you next week. This was
- 56:30GPS audiovisual radio, we expect you next Wednesday at 19 hours on Radio thirty
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