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What is Soul Health with Pam Buchanan · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: we go, So five four, three, two and one, our folks,
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Speaker 1: welcome back to the podcast. Very excited to happen to
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Speaker 1: my guest today. Pam you Canon, Pam welcome.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, great to be here.
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Speaker 1: Awesome. So. Pam Buchanan founded Quantum Sense in May of
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three with the goal of pioneering soul health innovations.
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Speaker 1: Is forty years of self optimization experience. Along with the
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Speaker 1: career that includes introducing mutual funds to banking and serving
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Speaker 1: fifteen years as managing director at NASDAC, She's elevated her
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Speaker 1: own energy to excel in a new paradigm, leading with
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Speaker 1: positivity and letting go of the shame associated with the
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Speaker 1: old ways of thinking. By recognizing that soul health encompasses
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Speaker 1: more than just mental health and physical well being, she's
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Speaker 1: created an approach that is set to transform the way
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Speaker 1: we understand and achieve over all health. Well awesome, I mean,
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Speaker 1: let's get into this, but before we do, share with
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Speaker 1: the listeners where you're from originally and where you are
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Speaker 1: are currently.
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Speaker 3: Well Originally, I am from Illinois, grew up born and
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Speaker 3: raised in central Illinois near Champagne Orbana, which is the
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Speaker 3: University of Illinois, so people may recognize that. And I
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Speaker 3: have lived primarily in Chicago, but did spend about ten
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Speaker 3: years in Silicon Valley out in California as well, but
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Speaker 3: currently in the frigid tempts of Chicago.
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Speaker 1: So reading your bio it one easily gets the impression
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Speaker 1: not all too familiar nowadays, where you've had all this
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Speaker 1: experience in corporate and something shifted, you shifted and we're
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Speaker 1: talking about soul health. How did this? How did how
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Speaker 1: did this start? For you? This? This what did we
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Speaker 1: call it? New paradigm awareness?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I really started, you know, during my corporate career.
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Speaker 3: I was a fan of deeppop Chopra back in the eighties, right,
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Speaker 3: So all that self awareness started back there in the eighties,
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Speaker 3: and was an avid reader and just knew that, you know,
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Speaker 3: something was missing in terms of some depth of being, right.
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Speaker 1: So you personally for me personally for.
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Speaker 3: Me personally, So just wanting to understand myself more, give
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Speaker 3: back more of my true self and survive in the
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Speaker 3: corporate setting. As you know, back in the eighties, there
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Speaker 3: weren't a lot of business women and and so you know,
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Speaker 3: I was amongst my male counterparts, and you know, working
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Speaker 3: in a male dominated environment primarily, and wanted to thrive,
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Speaker 3: and so I just kept reading and taking in information
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Speaker 3: and again enjoying my career. So I truly enjoyed my
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Speaker 3: career in finance and asset management. You know, worked with
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Speaker 3: two different companies, you know, Deutsche Bank as well as
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Speaker 3: NASDAC as you mentioned, and really enjoyed all aspects of that.
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Speaker 2: But there were some struggles as well.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's kind of put a frame around that.
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Speaker 1: What what are we talking about here? What kind of
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Speaker 1: struggles was missing for you?
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Speaker 3: You know, I think in terms of what was missing
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Speaker 3: is you know, people being real. Right, Let's not just
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Speaker 3: play the game and pretend where somebody were not.
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Speaker 2: Let's be real about our struggles.
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Speaker 3: Are pain, the angst of working, you know, in corporate America,
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Speaker 3: winning deals, losing deals. You know, let's all be real
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Speaker 3: and in depth about this.
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Speaker 2: So it's not all a bull of cherries, as they say.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: So, I think in corporate America you couldn't show your
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Speaker 3: true feelings, right. You have to, you know, pick yourself
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Speaker 3: back up and say, okay, got to go again.
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Speaker 2: But wow did that hurt? Right?
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Speaker 3: To lose a deal or to be in conflict with
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Speaker 3: an associate?
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Speaker 1: And I guess one of the arguments here is that, well,
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Speaker 1: there's a time and a place for that, Pam, Right,
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Speaker 1: why are you bringing into the office deal with that
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Speaker 1: at home? So? Why why was this important for you
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Speaker 1: to bring into the workplace?
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Speaker 2: In a sense, Well, it's who I am, right.
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Speaker 3: I think I'm a sensitive being. I think that I
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Speaker 3: want to know individuals at their truest level. And I
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Speaker 3: was able to get there with my colleagues.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: A lot of colleagues would say, wow, I enjoyed our conversation.
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Speaker 2: And you really know me who I am.
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Speaker 3: And so once you validate a person and see them
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Speaker 3: for who they are, they shine.
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Speaker 2: They truly shine. So I tell people you want.
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Speaker 3: To show your true self and be valued for that
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Speaker 3: true self because there's multi dimensions of us.
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Speaker 2: Regardless of whatever position you hold.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love this. Okay. So, and just to
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Speaker 1: set some context here, how long when did this happen
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Speaker 1: for you? How long did how long had you been
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Speaker 1: in corporate before when this started arising for you emerging
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Speaker 1: for you?
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Speaker 2: I would say about twenty years.
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Speaker 1: What's crazy? Now, it's not crazy, but we hear this
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Speaker 1: all the time, but this is amazing. So yeah, twenty years.
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Speaker 1: Was there something that was there an event or was
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Speaker 1: just like a slow burning?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably a slow burn.
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Speaker 3: I think you know, you would enjoy moments and then
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Speaker 3: those moments and then you had some tough moments and
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Speaker 3: that would take you back. And it's like finding that balance, right,
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Speaker 3: I mean, life is hard, life is good, but let's
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Speaker 3: just balance it all out. So I wanted that balance
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Speaker 3: where I wouldn't take that home with me and then
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Speaker 3: ruminate over it, right, like just keep going over and
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Speaker 3: over the negative versus the positive.
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Speaker 2: So we're all.
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Speaker 3: Real and there's you know, as they say in entrepreneurship,
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Speaker 3: if you're not failing, you're not succeeding you. And I
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Speaker 3: did have a boss tell me one, Pam, you should
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Speaker 3: have told me. I neglected to mention something a conversation
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Speaker 3: I had with another executive and he then, of course
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Speaker 3: had that conversation with the executive, and they came back
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Speaker 3: to me and said, Pam, why don't you tell me
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Speaker 3: about this conversation?
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, I didn't want it to look
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Speaker 2: bad on me.
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Speaker 3: I didn't want to bring you into the problem. And
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Speaker 3: he said, no, no, no, you need to tell me
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Speaker 3: and give me a heads up so that one I
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Speaker 3: can defend you. Or it's okay to make a mistake,
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Speaker 3: it's okay. So again you're validated. Wow, I don't have
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Speaker 3: to hide, you know, the bad comments in the situations.
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Speaker 3: And so I think I learned from there too. You
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Speaker 3: should be truthful up front. Not that you weren't truthful,
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Speaker 3: but let's just get it all out there.
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Speaker 1: So you're reading Deepak, You're having these experience at the workplace.
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Speaker 1: Is this unfold? What do you start to do?
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Speaker 3: So I started living my truth and just speaking my
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Speaker 3: truth in terms of you know, if I didn't like something,
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Speaker 3: I would say it, and if you speak it out.
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Speaker 2: Of truth, and not out of ego or attack. People
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Speaker 2: will listen to that.
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Speaker 3: People will listen, so you don't always have to agree
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Speaker 3: with what is happening, and you can add comments of
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Speaker 3: that doesn't feel right to me.
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Speaker 2: Can we discuss it further.
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Speaker 1: It takes a certain amount of courage to do that.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and you have to you know, we have
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Speaker 3: you know as women. You know, I fought to get
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Speaker 3: a seat at the table. You got a seat at
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Speaker 3: the table. But you have to speak up. Once you're
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Speaker 3: at the table, you cannot sit back. You have to
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Speaker 3: speak up and your voice is important. So I think
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Speaker 3: I learned that as I evolved into that.
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about quantum sense. How did that come about?
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Speaker 1: And why?
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Speaker 3: So? I I loved corporate America. After forty years, it
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Speaker 3: was time to move on. It was right at the
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Speaker 3: beginning of COVID. Little did I realize that the timing
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Speaker 3: was COVID because obviously the world changed, and I thought,
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Speaker 3: why not, you know, talk more about the true being.
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Speaker 3: You know, we're mind, body and soul, not just mind
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Speaker 3: and body.
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Speaker 2: But let's bring our soul.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's what's missing in corporate America, as
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Speaker 3: a person bringing their entire being to the party. And
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Speaker 3: most people aren't comfortable talking about the soul. They don't
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Speaker 3: know what their soul is, their soul essence. But you know,
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Speaker 3: it's kindness, it's positivity, it's knowing who you are at
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Speaker 3: your core.
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Speaker 1: Were you did you have a family at this time?
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Speaker 1: Married and you don't have a family.
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 1: No, okay, so you weren't married ever, No kids, no
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Speaker 1: kid solo pam mm hmm okay.
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Speaker 2: Evolving on my own, on your own.
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Speaker 1: So let's get back to you kind of touched upon
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Speaker 1: a little bit. But how do you how do you
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Speaker 1: define soul? What is it? You said kindness? The soul is.
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Speaker 2: Your energy center.
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Speaker 3: It's an energetic part of yourself that is within yourself.
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Speaker 2: You own that part of you, just like you own.
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Speaker 3: Your physical body. So I like to say for your
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Speaker 3: physical body, your heart, your lungs, your muscles, you go
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Speaker 3: to a doctor, right, a medical doctor, but you don't
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Speaker 3: give over your physical body to someone.
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Speaker 2: You still own that and you still.
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Speaker 3: Have to take care of it mental body as well, right,
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Speaker 3: your mental facilities. You may go and talk to a therapist,
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Speaker 3: but you still have to do the hard work.
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Speaker 2: And it's still part of you. Soul.
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Speaker 3: I find people think that's religion, that's part of religion.
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Speaker 2: It's not. It's part of you. So we need to
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Speaker 2: be talking about it.
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Speaker 3: Just like you wouldn't give your physical body over and say, okay,
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Speaker 3: here doctor, here's my physical body. You wouldn't give that
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Speaker 3: over to Religion's religion is a resource, but it's not
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Speaker 3: your soul. So let's talk start talking about your soul
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Speaker 3: as part of you.
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Speaker 1: So what okay? So talk more specifically about the genesis
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Speaker 1: of quantum.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, So Quantum Sense is a consulting firm. So
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Speaker 3: I go in and consult whether it is individuals or
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Speaker 3: with groups, and I talk about the importance of knowing
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Speaker 3: and bringing forth your whole being to everything that you do,
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Speaker 3: and that includes your work. So and how can you
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Speaker 3: bring forth everything if you don't know about a certain
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Speaker 3: part of yourself? You know, corporations have you know, club memberships,
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Speaker 3: you know doctors, you know on staff that you can
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Speaker 3: go to for your physical health. We now even have
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Speaker 3: mental health facilities, right, you can talk freely about you know,
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Speaker 3: I need a mental health day, I'm depressed, I'm taking
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Speaker 3: this drug, you know, the therapist, et cetera. But you
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Speaker 3: don't have a part about the soul. And where do
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Speaker 3: you go to talk about your soul? And what programs
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Speaker 3: can you incorporate for your employees to get a better
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Speaker 3: knowing of that?
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Speaker 2: And so I start with the.
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Speaker 3: Senses, and so I have a program that incorporates grounding
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Speaker 3: yourself and your senses, elevating yourself into your highest energetic being,
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Speaker 3: and then evolving to your souls essence and purpose.
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Speaker 1: My guess is that there are some people who are like,
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Speaker 1: what are you talking about. I don't want this, I
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Speaker 1: don't want my I don't want my employees induct with
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Speaker 1: their soul. They want to do that, Pam, let them
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Speaker 1: do it on their own time. But what are the
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Speaker 1: benefits of having employees running and I'm just speaking hyperbolic
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Speaker 1: here in a sense, what is the benefits of having
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Speaker 1: them running around feeling more in tune with themselves?
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Speaker 3: Well, you get a better commitment from that employer, employee.
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Speaker 3: They're committed because you understand them as a whole being. Right,
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Speaker 3: Why are you taking care of their physical health? Why
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Speaker 3: are you taking care of their mental health? Because it's
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Speaker 3: important what they bring to the office.
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Speaker 2: So the third leg of that is the soul.
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Speaker 3: So it's just as important as the physical and the mental.
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Speaker 3: So obviously you want healthy employees physically so that they
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Speaker 3: do show up mentally, Yeah, you want healthy employees so
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Speaker 3: that they can function at a higher level.
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Speaker 2: And then the soul is is a part of that.
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Speaker 3: Something's missing, right, the surveys are saying again and again,
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Speaker 3: employees are unhappy.
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Speaker 2: Employees are unhappy.
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Speaker 3: So you're providing all these resources, they have comfortable surroundings
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Speaker 3: to work in.
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Speaker 2: What what is missing?
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Speaker 3: And I say it's soul and the soul health and
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Speaker 3: how we're evolving into the new paradigm give us.
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Speaker 2: And we are creating a new future.
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Speaker 1: Well, okay, so what is when you say new paradigm?
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Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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Speaker 3: So you know, we all were born into a paradigm
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Speaker 3: that was really based on survival, so and survival the fittest,
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Speaker 3: and yes that was necessary back in the dark ages,
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Speaker 3: But now I would put out there that you and
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Speaker 3: I don't have to wake up and figure out where
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Speaker 3: we're going to get food.
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Speaker 2: So it's not survival mode.
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Speaker 3: So how can we transition from survival mode to thrive mode? Well,
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Speaker 3: the structures that have been built might be keeping us
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Speaker 3: in survival mode. So whether that's corporate structures, political structures.
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Speaker 3: So we're entering into a new phase where we can
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Speaker 3: thrive at an elevated positive being instead of a negative
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Speaker 3: survival being. So do you have the skills to do that?
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Speaker 3: And it takes practice to learn how to be a
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Speaker 3: part of the new paradigm that we are all creating.
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Speaker 2: We're creating a future and I like to say, when
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Speaker 2: I was in Silicon Valley, I live the future.
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Speaker 3: You know, we need inspirational you know, people that think
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Speaker 3: outside the box and all these new tools that we're using.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure that you know, my grandmother never thought we'd
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Speaker 3: be talking on a cell phone.
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Speaker 2: You know, when they didn't even have you.
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Speaker 3: Know, telephones probably or you know, when Henry Ford invented
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Speaker 3: the car, right, there were many people that said, what's
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Speaker 3: wrong with horse and buggy? Right?
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Speaker 1: So faster horse?
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Speaker 2: Huh?
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Speaker 1: A faster horse? They don't now a faster horse.
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Speaker 3: But we need to continue to reinvent ourselves, and not
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Speaker 3: just with products physical products, but as part of our
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Speaker 3: human structure. We need to continue to reinvent ourselves.
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Speaker 2: And so that's what soul health.
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Speaker 3: Is about, continuing to reinvent and add one more element
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Speaker 3: to who you are as a person.
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Speaker 1: When when you work with a company. First of all,
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Speaker 1: who calls you, who reaches out to you? What do
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Speaker 1: they say? Well, obviously it's going to be different in
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Speaker 1: many answers, but generally speaking, what do they said, call
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Speaker 1: you up, PAM when you need to talk to us?
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Speaker 3: Because you know what is soul health? I first of
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Speaker 3: all ask about what is soul health? What is your program? Like,
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Speaker 3: what do you bring to the table? And when I
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Speaker 3: say you have programs for physical health, you have programs
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Speaker 3: for mental health, but do you have programs for soul health?
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Speaker 2: And we all know the.
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Speaker 3: Phrase mind, body, and soul, and soul does not belong
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Speaker 3: to it's not religious. So the number one obstacle I
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Speaker 3: get is, oh, you're teetering into the religious aspect of people,
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Speaker 3: and that's not true.
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Speaker 2: Take back your soul.
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Speaker 1: What would you say? It's a spiritual aspect.
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Speaker 3: You know, I don't use the word spiritual, but yes,
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Speaker 3: if you want to say spirit, you can say spirit.
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Speaker 3: I say soul because spirit does lean more towards religion. Right,
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Speaker 3: So if I say body, mind, and soul, I feel
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Speaker 3: it's encapsulates your humanness, your humanness versus I'm not saying
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Speaker 3: you know the resources available to help us in our humanness. Right.
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Speaker 3: And traditionally, again, there's many modes of medicine, right, so
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Speaker 3: there's Western and Eastern medicine. Western medicine takes place, so
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Speaker 3: you go, let's say you go to a Western medicine doctor,
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Speaker 3: but someone else may go to the Eastern medicine doctor, right,
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Speaker 3: and you may disagree on those concepts.
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Speaker 2: Same with mental health. You know what you know? Products
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Speaker 2: are you adjusting.
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Speaker 3: In your body or is it the typical you know,
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Speaker 3: drugs that are manufactured, is it natural essences?
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Speaker 2: What are you doing? And the same with soul.
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Speaker 3: You know, traditionally, I think people have given over the
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Speaker 3: soul to the religious aspect of it, and maybe that
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Speaker 3: was a start. But in this new dimension, the soul
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Speaker 3: belongs to you. So take back your soul. How do
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Speaker 3: you do that? Is you start with your senses. We
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Speaker 3: all have our senses. And there's some neuroscience to this,
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Speaker 3: there's some biology to this, there's some you know, chemistry
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Speaker 3: all related to this.
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Speaker 2: But you take in and let's say that you love the.
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Speaker 1: Smell of pnder pine.
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Speaker 2: Pine.
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Speaker 3: Let's say you love that relaxes you, that makes you
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Speaker 3: feel good. Let's say somebody else walks in and says, oh,
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Speaker 3: what's that smell?
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Speaker 2: That doesn't feel good to me? That makes me tense.
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Speaker 3: So we're individuals in that right, in terms of our senses.
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Speaker 3: We're individuals in terms of our soul. So I'm an
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Speaker 3: identical twin. So literally, people have said, well, you're half
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Speaker 3: a person. Well, my body is exactly like another person's body. Right, Physically,
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Speaker 3: we're in half.
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Speaker 2: Our DNA the whole thing.
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Speaker 3: Mentally, okay, you can say mentally pretty much the same.
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Speaker 3: But what is different is our So we're two individuals
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Speaker 3: because of our soul.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me hone in here. So you started talking
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Speaker 1: about the senses. How do you help people get in
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Speaker 1: touch with their soul? How do you work? Give us
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Speaker 1: more specifics?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I take them through a series of questions
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Speaker 3: that start with the senses, and we can spend a
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Speaker 3: lot of time on that.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: So your senses are how you interact with your outside environment.
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Speaker 3: And so I like to say, let's start outside in
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Speaker 3: so let's sit here.
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Speaker 2: What are your surroundings?
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Speaker 3: Are your surroundings uplifting or is there some negative vibration
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Speaker 3: to it?
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Speaker 2: So let's what are you hearing, what are you seeing?
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Speaker 2: What are you smelling? Because that does affect your overall being. Right,
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Speaker 2: if you walked into a.
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Speaker 3: Dark, cluttered, smelling house, would you feel good when you
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Speaker 3: walked in or would your body go into probably automatic
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Speaker 3: stress mode? Right? And so it's so simple, right, like
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Speaker 3: fill your house with pine candles, right, that uplifts you.
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Speaker 2: That doesn't take much.
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Speaker 3: You know, or you know essential oils that makes you
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Speaker 3: feel good. You know that, why don't you incorporate that
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Speaker 3: into your home. Let's say you love the color blue.
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Speaker 3: That your home is brown and pink, So does that
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Speaker 3: make you know? So fill your home with blue items,
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Speaker 3: paint the walls, because there is science to that. You're
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Speaker 3: you're taking that in through your senses, and you're either
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Speaker 3: elevating your bean or you're downrating.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and I'm sorry direct, but obviously this is something
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Speaker 1: that many of us don't even think about.
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Speaker 2: Right, So you're automatically right.
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Speaker 1: So you're inviting people to begin to become aware of
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Speaker 1: their senses.
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Speaker 3: Yes, in intentionally become aware of your senses. And then
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Speaker 3: once you start to do that, you'll start to notice
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Speaker 3: the little things.
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Speaker 2: And then there's little tweaks and.
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Speaker 3: Corporations are doing this now, putting in smell wow, right,
22:19
Speaker 3: they're putting in senses or sense.
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Speaker 1: Say that's because people are different, right, people like sense peop.
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Speaker 3: People are different, So there has to be a neutral
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Speaker 3: type of scent. It can't be strong, but it has
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Speaker 3: to be a neutralized scent. Right. So just think about
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Speaker 3: going into a store and you know how some stores
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Speaker 3: have sense oh, you know, like overly perfume sensor, you know,
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Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, and some people say, oh, that
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Speaker 3: feels good.
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Speaker 2: Some people may not. Well, the majority have to say.
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Speaker 3: It feels good because they want people coming back in.
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Speaker 3: But it it becomes part of their brand. But also music,
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Speaker 3: you know how music is piped in, so there's a
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Speaker 3: reason to that. But let's take it a little bit deeper.
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Speaker 3: You know, let's talk about the frequencies. Let's talk about
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Speaker 3: the vibrations that let's say music, binarial beats are very popular.
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Speaker 3: There's other ways to measure frequencies and that truly does
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Speaker 3: vibrate at a cellular level.
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Speaker 2: And uplift us.
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Speaker 3: You know, there's negative frequencies. So let's get the highest
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Speaker 3: frequency we can and you're almost creating a wellness bubble, right,
23:29
Speaker 3: you're creating a wellness bubble around you so that you
23:33
Speaker 3: continue to come from a base of high, positive, energetic beings.
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Speaker 3: So not only are you putting like you're going to
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Speaker 3: put good food into your body.
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Speaker 2: Right, you know that going to McDonald's every.
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Speaker 3: Day may not be the healthiest for you if you
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Speaker 3: ate a hamburger and French frise every day, versus let's
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Speaker 3: go for lean meats and salmon and veggies and all
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Speaker 3: of that. Right, you know that to be true, and
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Speaker 3: so I want it known to be true. The vibrations,
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Speaker 3: the sounds, the smells, the censorary things that you incorporate
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Speaker 3: into your life make a difference as well.
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Speaker 1: Speaking with Pam Buchanan, she's the founder of Quantum Sense. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so as we kind of wind down here, Pam give us,
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Speaker 1: if you will, another leg of the stool in a sense.
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Speaker 1: You talked about senses. What else do you broach for
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Speaker 1: these people? What else do you invite them to become
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Speaker 1: aware of?
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Speaker 2: So I talk about we all are energy.
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Speaker 3: Nikola Tesla said that all things are energy and nothing
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Speaker 3: else matters. So, and I think it was it wasn't
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Speaker 3: Steve Jobs that Tim Cook said, I manage my energy,
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Speaker 3: not my time.
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Speaker 1: Huh.
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Speaker 3: So let's start talking about energy, and you know, what
24:55
Speaker 3: is your energy like in terms of just okay, are
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Speaker 3: you feeling time, tired, excited, energetic, non energetic? But let's
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Speaker 3: go to a deeper level too and talk about your
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Speaker 3: energy and how we manage that energy. So I think
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Speaker 3: also the next box, if you will, is from senses
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Speaker 3: to energy is where I go.
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Speaker 1: Now, I could just hear employers going, well, I don't
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Speaker 1: want people working when they feel like they need to.
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Speaker 1: I want them working when I want them to work.
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Speaker 3: You know, yes, I want them to work. You have
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Speaker 3: to manage through that. I'm a big believer. Yes, absolutely,
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Speaker 3: you have to put in the effort. You have to
25:45
Speaker 3: put in the work despite what your energy is feeling like.
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Speaker 1: Right, right, But.
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Speaker 3: Don't you want to be more at your higher energy self.
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Speaker 2: To contribute, right? So what is taking away from your energy?
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Speaker 2: And how can you manage that?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I love this? So do you? I mean, do
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Speaker 1: you feel this is where corporations are moving toward tours?
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Speaker 2: I do. I do.
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Speaker 1: Incorporating these elements and honoring these elements.
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Speaker 3: It's starting very slow, I'll admit, you know. I think
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Speaker 3: in the next two years it will begin to trend
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Speaker 3: a little bit more, but yes, it will be where
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Speaker 3: corporations will go.
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Speaker 1: Because it's not just good. I feel like I'm in
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Speaker 1: a commercial now because it's not just good for the
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Speaker 1: individual employee. It's good for the company as well.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's good for the company. Because what is a company?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 2: A company is made up of people.
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Speaker 3: So unless you have your people producing at a high level,
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Speaker 3: you don't have a company.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Now, I just want to take a step
26:55
Speaker 1: back here. When you started reading, you mentioned deepop Show,
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Speaker 1: but I'm sure there are others you were reading as well.
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Speaker 1: But how did this feel for you? Did this just
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Speaker 1: feel like it just makes so much sense?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm home with their.
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Speaker 1: Challenges along the way. If so, what do they look.
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Speaker 2: Like in terms of challenges, in terms of what.
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Speaker 1: In terms of well, you know, you're talking about being real?
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Speaker 1: I mean that that's to me. I love that statement,
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Speaker 1: but it's it's it's not always easy, right, It's very
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Speaker 1: difficult for us to be real, no An, and with
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Speaker 1: ourselves too. So I'm curious about your own process in
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Speaker 1: moving through this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it it so It's not like I went
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Speaker 3: and started saying, oh, I'm reading deep hop chroper in
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Speaker 3: this and elevating.
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Speaker 2: My being and all that. I didn't do that at all.
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Speaker 2: You know, it was just within me.
27:55
Speaker 3: You know, like there's more so how do I engage
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Speaker 3: with my boss, my their colleagues, et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: I was just me.
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Speaker 3: But then I went back and said, oh, why did
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Speaker 3: I get that emotion? Because it's all tied to emotion.
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Speaker 3: Why is that making me angry? Why is that making
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Speaker 3: me sad? Why did that person say that to me
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Speaker 3: that way? Is he mad at me? You know, like
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Speaker 3: it's like, you know, you go through all of that
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Speaker 3: and then you come back to center and say, no,
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Speaker 3: that may have been about he was having a bad
28:24
Speaker 3: day or she was having a bad day. You know,
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Speaker 3: I have to manage my own emotion. But can I
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Speaker 3: go back and say that didn't feel good to me?
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Speaker 3: Is that how you met it? Or you know, did
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Speaker 3: I do something? You know, let's confront the hard conversations.
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Speaker 3: So I was able to confront the hard conversations.
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Speaker 2: And some people may.
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Speaker 3: Have walked away and said, I, who know its why
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Speaker 3: Pam's going over that again?
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Speaker 2: She you know, like that was yesterday. I don't know
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Speaker 2: what's going on.
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Speaker 3: But for me, I needed to have that conversation. I
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Speaker 3: have a successful forty year career. You know, I had
29:03
Speaker 3: two you know, jobs that were long term, so obviously
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Speaker 3: you know I did provide value. I worked really hard
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Speaker 3: to provide value I wanted to get back.
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Speaker 2: I worked very hard.
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Speaker 3: I was very loyal to both those companies, right, and
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Speaker 3: worked for them and took pride in that.
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Speaker 1: All right, Pam again talking with Pam Buchanan. Her organization
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Speaker 1: is called Quantum Sense. For those listeners who are interested
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Speaker 1: in what you're doing, maybe want to learn more, what's
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Speaker 1: the best way for them to reach out and contact you?
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Speaker 3: Go to my website, the quantumsense dot com. Okay, and
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Speaker 3: reach out via the website. Also, I have LinkedIn Pam
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Speaker 3: Buchanan or the Quantum Sense and go and see what.
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about.
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Speaker 3: I talk about innovative companies, I talk about books that
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Speaker 3: I read, talk about you know how I am incorporating
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Speaker 3: what we just talked about into you know, corporate uh,
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Speaker 3: into the corporate world.
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Speaker 1: Awesome, Pam, thanks so much for being here. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for having me inspiring love it, love what you're doing.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for having you Guys.
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Speaker 1: All right, we'll be in touch.
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Speaker 2: Okay, bye bye
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Speaker 1: M.