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The Bill Gates Epstein Related Congressional Transcripts (Part 7) (6/27/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where he left off with the Bill Gates interview with
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  Congress Mister Garcia. What about employees of Epstein? So not
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  necessarily you know men or individuals that were in the
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  public limelight or that had broad reputations, But what about
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  employees or people around Epstein that worked for him or
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  there was a perception that they worked for him. That
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  wouldn't be that if you had to make a judgment,
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  would be important for us to speak with? Who would
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  you recommend us to speak with? Gates? Yeah, I was
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  never introduced any employee of Epstein. As I've said, they
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  were there to open the door. One of the people
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  stayed for the David Blaine magic trick. There were two
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  admin assistants who were on the plane flight, and almost
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  every time I saw Epstein, he had either one or
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  two what appeared to be ADMIN assistants with him that
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  were all women. They appeared to be adult women. We
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  can go through the various times he had me take
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  photos with these people, but I was never introduced to them,
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  so I wouldn't have a lot of insight to which
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  ones might help the committee. Garcia, thank you, And mister Gates,
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  I know that you've said, and I just want a
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  quote to be clear. I never spent any time with
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  victims with women around them. I know that you have
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  said that, have been quoted as saying that, But are
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  you aware that many of Epstein's assistants who are around
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  were actually victimized? Gates, Yeah, that's a very good point.
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  I never spent time with any woman who I was
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  aware were victims, and so that's why I have enumerated
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  very carefully when I've ever saw any of those admin assistants,
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  because tragically, as you say, it appears in the press
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  now that some of those women were indeed victims. Oh
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  please now stop. We knew this, and if I knew it,
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  Bill Gates knew it. Garcia, Okay, now, I appreciate the clarification.
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  I think that's important one to make. And then just lastly,
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  I know that you said earlier that you felt your
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  association with Epstein was a huge mistake. Just to expand
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  on that for the record, can you expand on what
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  you mean exactly by that? What was the mistake? Kates? Yeah,
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  I hope I capture all the ways that it was
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  a mistake. It was a mistake to spend time with them,
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  because in the end it led to nothing. You know,
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  I'm still not sure to this day if he sincerely
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  thought that, in fact, billions would appear that would be
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  dedicated to global health. I think so, because you know,
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  there were meetings talking about literally the structure of donor
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  advised funds and what might be attractive to donors. But
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  it was a mistake because it was a dead end.
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  It was a mistake because of his prior conviction. It's
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  even more of a mistake when I read in twenty
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  eighteen that basically he had not served an appropriate penalty
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  for those things that he had done. And then even
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  more so as I read that even after two thousand
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  and nine, perhaps even during the time twenty eleven to
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  twenty fourteen when I was meeting with them, that there
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  were ongoing crimes. And so you can say it's easy
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  to say now, but let me tell you this is
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  one of the larger mistakes I've made. Was a risk
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  to my reputation and the reputation of the foundation by
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  engaging in these meetings. Mister Garcia, mister conna Ro, Conna,
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  thank you, Thank you, mister Gates for being here. Did
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  Jeffrey Epstein use doctor Melanie Walker to get access to you, Gates?
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  No question. Did Epstein use Walker to reach her foundation
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  advisors or other powerful people around you? Gates? I'm sorry
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  say again, Conna. Did Epstein use doctor Walker to reach
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  her foundation advisors or other people around you? Gates? Well,
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  doctor Walker was an employee of the Gates Foundation, doing
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  work there for I think something like three years, and
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  then she went to work at the World Bank, and
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  then she did some consulting from my private office. But
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  you know that's what I knew that she was engaged in, Conna.
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  Did Epstein ever receive information about you through her, Gates?
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  It appears reading the emails. The answer to that is yes,
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  But I had no awareness of it at the time. Conna.
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  Doctor Walker told you that Epstein was very discreet and
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  the world's most gorgeous people hang around Epstein. He was
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  already a convicted sex offender at the time. Why did
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  you continue to maintain a relationship with him, Gates? Well,
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  as I've said, I felt that working with Epstein in
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  the limited role which I was clear to him. That
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  is simply being referring me to people who would give,
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  never contemplating and being explicit that he would have no
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  role and that he would not be compensated. I made
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  the mistake in judgment that continuing to spend time with
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  him to try to raise that money for global health
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  was a valuable use of my time. Conna, Well, where
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  would you have gotten the money from him directly or Gates? No, No,
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  not from him directly. Rather when somebody is, you know,
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  thinking about their will and their taxes, you know, that's
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  when they really think, Okay, I have, particularly people of
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  great wealth, that I have money that's left over that
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  perhaps I should give philanthropically. And so I believed, and
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  he represented that with a number ofillionaires, including Wall Street
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  billionaires and Middle East billionaires. He had the type of
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  relationships where there was somebody staking out their overall estate plan.
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  And I believe that was the case. We're literally billions,
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  and he specifically said this to me, which of course
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  ended up not happening. But he said that we could
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  raise billions. Conna, two more quick questions, because my time
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  is about out. Given what we've seen the behavior of
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  what I call the Epstein class and all these billionaires.
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  Would you at least be four or five percent tax
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  on these billionaires to deal with wealth in inequality? Could
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  you at least say you're open to something like that. See,
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  this is what I mean. There's no place for that
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  in this hearing. Why does Rocanna have to bring that up? Now? Look,
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  it's a valid argument, not the right forum. That question
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  should have been used to get us further to the
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  truth when it comes to Epstein. Mister Gates, well, I
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  certainly believe that the US has to find a way
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  of taxing very rich people at a far higher level
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  than they do today. You know, I probably paid more
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  in taxes than anyone I paid, over fourteen billion. I
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  think it's unfortunate that the current taxation vehicles don't raise
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  money from people of great wealth, including people like myself. Conna,
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  my last question is, did mister Epstein ever introduce you
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  to any young women or girls? Gates never, Conna, thank you, Garcia.
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  Congressman Lynch, mister Lynch, thank you, mister Gates. Earlier Democratic
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  Council asked you if you recalled an email that you
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  received that was sent to you by Melanie Walker that
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  warned you about mister Epstein. You did not recall that,
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  and you asked if there might be a specific date.
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  I looked it up and it's August fourteenth. I'm sorry.
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  August of twenty fourteen Walker sent you appeared to be
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  a warning, and it said that you should maintain a
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  quote healthy distance from anything of a personal nature when
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  dealing with Epstein. Do you recall that now, Gates, No,
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  If you have a copy of the email, I'd be
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  glad to see it. Lynch, Yeah, okay, all right, no, Gates.
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  But let me comment on that I did maintain some
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  distance from Epstein. It was a mistake to meet him,
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  and by August twenty fourteen, you know, this is a
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  month before he finally does name specific people who we
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  meet with in September, and none of those appear to
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  be prospects. Then there's one further meeting in December, and
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  then I cut off all ties with Epstein at that point,
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  mister Lynch, I understand that. But from the very beginning
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  of your relationship he was a registered sex offender, Gates,
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  I didn't know he was a registered sex offender. I
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  didn't know that he had been guilty of sexually related crimes. Lynch, Well,
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  let me just go back to Melanie Walker. Melanie Walker
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  really worked your staff pretty hard in terms of pushing
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  Jeffrey Epstein, and in one email to you she described
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  him as her best friend. Also, Melanie Walker really pumped
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  Epstein with doctor Nikolic and also Larry Cohen. She went
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  to Alex Friedman pushing Jeffrey Epstein also established a relationship
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  with Prince Andrew as well, you know, sort of following
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  up with mister Connor's questions. I saw her as someone
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  who pushed Epstein into your orbit and actually made those connections.
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  And you know, when you were asked who you thought
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  might have shared information about your infidelity, I thought of her.
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  I didn't think of doctor Nikolic because it was consistent.
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  She was an accolade of Epstein from the very beginning,
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  giving him credit for suggesting she owed a medical school.
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  Could you talk a little bit about your relationship with
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  miss Walker, because I think in response to the ranking
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  members question, and I think she might be someone that
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  this committee might want to talk to. Gates. Yeah, during
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  the time I knew Epstein between twenty eleven and twenty fourteen,
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  the only time her name came up with Epstein was
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  at the first dinner he mentioned that he knew her,
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  and subsequently all meetings over the rest of the years,
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  her name did not come up in terms of her
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  She did send me an email after the first dinner
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  asking about my impressions, which I responded to Lynch. Did
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  she ever tell you that she was his science advisor
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  or that she had lived in his building gates? I
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  wasn't aware of that, but I do believe that's now
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  publicly known. Lynch. Yeah, I'm just curious about Okay, all right,
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  that's all I've got. Thank you. Next up, Miss Stansbury.
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  All right, good morning. Hi Melanie Stansbury. I represent New
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  Mexico's first congressional district, and I appreciate you being here today.
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  What I'd like to focus on during my time this
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  morning is really to understand a little bit more about
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  mister Epstein's world as you understood it, because I think
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  it'll help us cut through some of the noise, especially
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  a truth commission that we're conducting in New Mexico to
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  understand what he was doing there and what his interests
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  were and how that allowed him to access and abuse women.
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  So you're one of the few people we've been able
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  to talk to about what Epstein was scientifically through your
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  conversations with them, through these meetings that you had during
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  that time. What was Epstein interested in in the science world? Gates.
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  We never got into any depth on that, but he
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  mentioned a number of people, you know, professors at universities
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  that he would talk to about varying scientific things. You
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  know some of those names are and I knew them.
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  He appeared to be someone who knew who would talk
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  to lots of people in different fields. You know, that's
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  different than my own approach, which is depict software and
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  be very focused and now global health. Stansbury, let me
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  reframe the question a little bit. You met with him
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  on multiple times to discuss the opportunities for philanthropy and
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  investment in scientific endeavors as well as global health. Gates,
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  no question, Stansbury, That's not what you said. Answer all.
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  The entire focus was raising money for global health. Now,
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  work for global health can include creating new vaccines or
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  things that the scientific component to them. Stansbury. Okay, so
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  excuse me for using more playing language as opposed to
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  focus language. What was the nature of those conversations. What
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  were the topics that he was interested in? Gates? You know,
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  he had thoughts about economics, he had thoughts about psychology,
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  you know, various macro economic things. Stansbury. Were specific investment
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  opportunities discussed Gates. No, never, I was never a co
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  investor with Epstein. The focus was philanthropic money Stansbury. Okay,
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  I think we're talking around the same thing. So philanthropic
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  money to invest in what Gates? Global health Stansbury. But
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  what's specifically in Gates. Epstein wasn't knowledgeable about global health.
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  So the Gates Foundation, which is deeply involved in global health,
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  you know, when there's additional money coming from philanthropists, were
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  able to provide advice and make sure that the money
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  was very high impact. But none of that specifically was discussed.
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  The idea of where it would go wasn't discussed with Epstein. Stansbury. Oh, okay,
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  So the nature of those conversations was more pitching them
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  and his associates on getting wealthy donors to invest in
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  your adventures, Gates. If money had been forthcoming, it would
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  have gone to things like the Global Alliance for Vaccines,
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  which by vaccines for children, or the Global Fund. Stansbury
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  cuts him off. You are essentially pitching him to invest Gates.
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  I didn't pitch him. He told me that he had
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  close professional relationships with people who, at the time they
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  were deciding what to do with their wealth, was a
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  context where he could suggest to them that the money
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  could have a very powerful effect if it was dedicated
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  to global health. Stansbury. Okay, So your motivation in attending
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  these meetings is he saw an opportunity to potentially bring
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  other donors into the bringing their wealth to invest in
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  your ventures. Is that a fair assessment. Gates not invest
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  to give money away, and they're not my ventures. Gavey
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  is an independent organization. Global Fund is an independent organization. Stansbury,
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  I'm using the word invest gets cut off by Bill Gates. Okay,
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  I'm sorry to be picky. Stansbury to philanthropic givers. Gates.
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  Good point, Stansbury, to be donors to your philanthropic endeavors. Okay,
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  well again, this may be picky, but they're not mine.
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  You know, the Gates Foundation gets cut off by Sansbury.
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  I got you, I got you. Okay. This is why
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  you're a tech person. You're very precise. I'm using imprecise
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  and non technical language. So you've already established this morning
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  that you were familiar with the fact that he had
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  been convicted of his sexual crime. You've already established this
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  morning that you were familiar with mister Epstein and that
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  he had a reputation, and you were concerned about it
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  because you've already said you didn't want to be seen
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  with them in a place that might affect your reputation.
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  So I think that what many of us don't understand
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  why did people like you continue to associate with them,
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  Like why did your interest in accessing donors that he
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  might have known override your own moral compass of like
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  maybe I shouldn't associate with this convicted sex offender. I
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  know you feel bad about it, but tell us, like
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  what went through your head where you're like, okay, yeah,
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  I'll go have six meetings with them over the years. Gates, Well, certainly,
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  you know, I'd met with people who had been convicted
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  of crimes and served their time, and my understanding, I
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  did not understand that justice had not been done. It
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  was a mistake to meet with them. I did feel
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  at the time that by narrowly defining his role as
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  simply referring us to people who would give philanthropically to
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  global health, that he would have no role in those
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  things and he would receive no compensation. I justified that
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  getting billions of dollars for global health was worth spending
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  time with them, and that was a complete dead end Stansbury,
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  And so on your mind, the end justified the means gates. No,
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  I think that goes too strongly. But during the whole
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  time twenty eleven to twenty fourteen, there was you know,
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  constant consideration of okay, let's make sure it's a narrow role,
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  and the people would discuss, you know that if this
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  is going to come through or not, should we still
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  engage or not. That was the consideration, and I made
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  the final judgment to keep meeting with them, which was
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  a mistake. Stansbury. Let me just say, as we close
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  things out, and I know that there's other questions. You
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  keep referring to the women that you did it interact
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  with in his orbit as being adult women. We've interviewed
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  a number of his assistants, including one of his assistants
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  who worked for Epstein as an adult woman who was
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  raped and sexually assaulted during her time. And so Epstein
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  didn't just commit crimes against children. He was committing active
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  crimes against these admin assistants that you met. And so
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  when you said multiple times this morning you did not
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  meet victims, you did not see women that he may have,
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  we do not believe that is so. We believe that
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  this was completely normalized in his world as he was
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  interacting with rich and powerful people. And so I hope
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  that you can refrain that you may have actually witnessed
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  abuse by these women being in his world, even if
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  you did not witness the acts of abuse, Gates, So
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  you're saying I didn't I never witnessed any abuse Stansbury. Okay, sir,
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  we know that his assistants were being abused actively by him, Gates.
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  I'm very sorry to hear that, Stansbury. Yes, so thank
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  you Crockett for purpose of the record, Jasmine Crockett, Texas Garcia.
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  I think we're probably out of talent time now, so
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  we can wrap it up. We'll go off the record,
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  all right, folks. We're gonna wrap up right here too,
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  and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
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  gonna pick up where we left off. All the information
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