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Signal 99 on with Brian Thomas this morning · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Seven thirty two Thin give about carc de talk station
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  Speaker 1: well cop show theme song, which is appropriate given that
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  Speaker 1: our friend signal ninety nine in front of the City
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  Speaker 1: of SIMPSONNY, hailing the county. Generally speaking, someone that comes
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  Speaker 1: with the information and the facts to back it up.
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  Speaker 1: Craziness in downtown Cincinnati, generally speaking. Welcome back, Carolyn. Is
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  Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you in the studio, and I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate what you do over on Facebook, keeping us all
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  Speaker 1: in tune to what's going on out there and the
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  Speaker 1: sort of the general lawless reality of the council of
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  Speaker 1: the current administration. Good to see you again.
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  Speaker 2: It's good to see you too. It's good to be
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  Speaker 2: in here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you're able to show up in person helping
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  Speaker 1: me this morning for you desperately needed. Let's start with
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  Speaker 1: this post you had about the First Amendment right to
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  Speaker 1: free speech and this Terry versus Ohio case. What we're
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  Speaker 1: I guess the gist of this is we're supposed to
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  Speaker 1: just stand around and let suspicious people do whatever hell
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  Speaker 1: they want without sort of walking up to them and saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: what are you doing here? Boiling it down to its
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  Speaker 1: barrissed elements you can fill up my listeners on the details.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what happened was is a First Amendment auditor, which
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  Speaker 3: if you don't know what that is. They run around
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  Speaker 3: to places like BMV and different public spaces, and they
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  Speaker 3: like in the post office. They like to film people
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  Speaker 3: and attract attention so that law enforcement gets called and
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  Speaker 3: then they have an interaction with law enforcement on camera,
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  Speaker 3: and sometimes that can get pretty heated.
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  Speaker 1: Well, isn't that why they're doing it? Oh, that's exactly
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  Speaker 1: why they're Okay, just want to make sure I'm clear
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  Speaker 1: on that. They are intentionally creating a scenario where police
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  Speaker 1: perhaps overreact or absolutely do anything untoward, and then they.
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  Speaker 3: Take their little video and they put it on social
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  Speaker 3: media and they put it on YouTube, and then it
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  Speaker 3: drives traffic and they make money off of that, so
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  Speaker 3: they're monetized. This is how they make their dough. So
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  Speaker 3: and if they happen to get arrested, wrongfully arrested, manhandled,
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  Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, then they sue, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and they get these settlements. And these these idiots have
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  Speaker 3: made careers out of this, so that oh it's that bad,
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  Speaker 3: it's all.
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  Speaker 2: It's all over the country.
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  Speaker 1: So these are all okay, okay, not just just since
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  Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati. This is a phenomenon going everywhere, which
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  Speaker 1: shocks no one, I imagine.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So what happened was this, This gentleman walked into
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  Speaker 3: a bank downtown and while filming, starts asking them really
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  Speaker 3: bizarre questions.
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  Speaker 2: You know, how many.
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  Speaker 3: People work here, what time do they come in, what
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  Speaker 3: time do they leave? Tell me about the vault, tell
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  Speaker 3: me about your security. And he's doing it on purpose
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  Speaker 3: to make them uneasy, which works. So the security kicks
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  Speaker 3: him out. Okay, So now he's on the sidewalk filming
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  Speaker 3: through the windows of the bank. And when they kicked
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  Speaker 3: him out, they called the They called nine to one
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  Speaker 3: one and said, hey, we have a suspicious guy.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know if he's casing the bank or what.
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  Speaker 1: But he's not there to do bank business.
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  Speaker 3: This thing he yeah, correct, and he's filming not just employees,
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  Speaker 3: he's filming customers that are completing transactions.
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  Speaker 2: So but it's in a public space.
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  Speaker 3: So anyways, CPD shows up and it's it's the bike patrol.
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  Speaker 1: I think three of them probably working overtime.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know how much you know about Terry
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  Speaker 3: versus Ohio terry stops terry law. Yes, but when they
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  Speaker 3: have reasonable cause suspicious activity, they can absolutely insist on
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  Speaker 3: getting id from you, asking you questions. They can detain you,
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  Speaker 3: they can arrest you, they can patch you down. That
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  Speaker 3: is Terry versus Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: Literally.
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  Speaker 3: So what happened was the officers showed up and they said, well,
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  Speaker 3: what are you doing and he said, I don't have
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  Speaker 3: to talk to you and they.
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  Speaker 2: Said, well, okay, but.
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  Speaker 1: You do.
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  Speaker 2: You know, what are you know? What's the purpose of this?
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  Speaker 3: And he said, I don't have to answer your quest questions,
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  Speaker 3: and it just kind of got in this little tit
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  Speaker 3: for tat and he said, well, why don't you go
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  Speaker 3: talk to that guy? And he's pointing at the guy
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  Speaker 3: from the bank, and they said, well, we're going to
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  Speaker 3: but right now we're talking to you. He goes, well,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to go talk to that guy, and he goes, no,
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  Speaker 3: you're not, You're going to talk to me. He said, no,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to go talk to that guy. And he
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  Speaker 3: went to walk towards the guy and the officer stepped
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  Speaker 3: in front of him, and he kind of pushed his
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  Speaker 3: way past the officer. So another officer said okay, put
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  Speaker 3: your hands behind your back. Well, then he turned around
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  Speaker 3: and tried to walk off, so instead of just detaining him,
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  Speaker 3: they arrested him. Well, and he brought it all on himself.
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  Speaker 3: And he thinks he's got this big whopping lawsuit against
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  Speaker 3: the city. And let me, Brian, here's the thing for me.
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  Speaker 3: The city issued this ridiculous statement. Did you see it?
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  Speaker 1: I did not.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you know, we're aware of the complaint. CPD issued it.
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  Speaker 3: We're aware of the complaint and it is being investigated.
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  Speaker 3: And they didn't say what it was about. So like
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  Speaker 3: eight million people were messaging me, what is this about?
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  Speaker 3: So I did a little post and said what it
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  Speaker 3: was about, and oh my god, the trolls came out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh the trolls and force.
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  Speaker 2: And so they're all First Amendment auditor experts.
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  Speaker 3: Now of course they all got their YouTube School of
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  Speaker 3: Law degrees apparently, because.
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  Speaker 1: But ignoring that, there are limitations to literally every single
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  Speaker 1: constitutionally protected right, absolutely limitations. Right, it's a strict scrutiny test.
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  Speaker 1: But you can limit First Amendment as well as Second
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  Speaker 1: amenent of other things, if you have the right to
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  Speaker 1: find parameters. Of course, Terry versus Ohio I answered that
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  Speaker 1: question a while back. Pause. We are out of time
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  Speaker 1: in this segment. We will continue so forty If you
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  Speaker 1: nine challenge Coin on the proud recipient of that. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you very much, Carolyn for this wonderful, wonderful gift and
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  Speaker 1: the work that you do exposing this nonsense going on. So,
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  Speaker 1: going back to this quote unquote First Amendment issue, people
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  Speaker 1: you know, just filming this guy's in the bank and
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  Speaker 1: obviously asking weird questions, which suggests maybe they need to
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  Speaker 1: bring law enforcement into find out why this guy is
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  Speaker 1: there not doing bank business but filming customers, interfering the
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  Speaker 1: bank personnel, asking very strange questions. Fine, the police show
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  Speaker 1: up and this person interferes with the police, refuses to
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  Speaker 1: answer questions, and even pushes the police officer aside. That
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  Speaker 1: sounds remarkably similar to what Iris Rolli has been caught
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  Speaker 1: on camera doing to police officers, interfering with them doing
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  Speaker 1: their police work.
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  Speaker 3: I would bet the dregs of my four h one
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  Speaker 3: k that Iris has probably reached out to this individual.
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  Speaker 1: Leading by example, she was, so, why then the weird no?
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  Speaker 1: Going back to Terry versus Ohio, which says that these stops,
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  Speaker 1: these requests for ID the inquiries by police are lawful.
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  Speaker 1: They are not in violation of someone constitutional rights. That's
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  Speaker 1: a case on the books. Why the the anilla response
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  Speaker 1: from the Cincinni Police Department. You'd expect, you know, Chief
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  Speaker 1: Henny to stand up and say, listen, you know, we're
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  Speaker 1: looking into this. Internal affairs is looking into this. But
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  Speaker 1: in defense of the police officers, we do have this
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  Speaker 1: case called Terry versus Ohio, which allows them to do
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  Speaker 1: this kind of inquiry.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, crickets, crickets.
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  Speaker 1: Have you heard from any of the police officers and
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  Speaker 1: the response to all this?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's how I got all the information that
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  Speaker 3: I got to make the posts that I made.
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  Speaker 2: So humh yeah, several. And I got to tell you.
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  Speaker 3: Yesterday their morale took a beating because of all the
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  Speaker 3: comments online on the videos, on the media that covered
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  Speaker 3: the videos.
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  Speaker 2: They're they're feeling pretty pretty kicked to the curb.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I just have to say, and this
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  Speaker 1: is my belief. Statistics may prove me wrong, but the
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  Speaker 1: trolls are going tonatrol and the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
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  Speaker 1: And I bet they represent such a small percentage of
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  Speaker 1: the population because it seems to me and look at
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  Speaker 1: the overtime hours they have ramped up patrols. They're paying
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  Speaker 1: an extra twenty five million dollars in overtime. Why to
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  Speaker 1: increase police presence in downtown Cincinnati to satisfy the demands
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  Speaker 1: of the population of the city who thinks crime's gotten
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  Speaker 1: out of control and we need more police. Bucking the
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  Speaker 1: anti police sentiment expressed by many people, some in elected capacity,
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  Speaker 1: others just being as paid consultants by the City of
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati to peddle their anti police wares. But I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: most people are happy with more police. So those trolls online,
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  Speaker 1: as loud and as vile as they happen to be
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  Speaker 1: to my police officer friends out there, don't let them
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  Speaker 1: get under your skin. That's exactly what they want. They
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  Speaker 1: want you to feel bad and depressed because they're out
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  Speaker 1: trolling when they don't represent the majority viewpoint of the
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  Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati generally, speaking of the population writ large.
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  Speaker 1: Pause at seven twenty five will bring back some ninety
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  Speaker 1: nine Speaking of overtime out it's seven point fifty at
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  Speaker 1: fifty five k C detalk station. Boy, Carolyn, you're putting
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  Speaker 1: a smile on my face on air and off air,
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  Speaker 1: crazy stories. We're talking about, send lawyers, guns and money.
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  Speaker 1: The pineapple is hit the fan.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: We had a caller earlier accidentally drop the S word,
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  Speaker 1: and remember I incorrectly flagged you. You did not say that.
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  Speaker 1: So we've decided that no longer will the S word
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  Speaker 1: enter into our lexicon. It'll be pineapple as a substitute.
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  Speaker 1: So with that in mind, the pineapples hit the fan.
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  Speaker 1: In terms of city council budgeting, they're thirty just shy,
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  Speaker 1: a thirty million dollar budget deficit, and I guess they
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  Speaker 1: have the amount of overtime for the Cincinni Police Department
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  Speaker 1: has gone up to twenty four million dollars, which is
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  Speaker 1: double what it was last year. Now there's the whole
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  Speaker 1: question of, well where does the money come from, because
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  Speaker 1: this is sort of an extra line item in the
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  Speaker 1: budget because they never budget enough for overtime and intentionally
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  Speaker 1: lower it's I think they actually budgeted for like nine
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  Speaker 1: million dollars. Here they are facing twenty four twenty five
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  Speaker 1: million and growing. But I guess can the police even
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  Speaker 1: handle it? That's my biggest kiss conn of that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm a police officer and I'm a position to
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  Speaker 1: work extra, I'll take the overtime. It's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: extra money, right, And doesn't that also get calculated into
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  Speaker 1: my ultimate payout during retirement? Don't you get the highest
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  Speaker 1: earning years while you work. So we are creating a
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  Speaker 1: bigger long term problem with pension payments because these officers
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  Speaker 1: can now make a whole lot more money if they
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  Speaker 1: exhaust themselves working. But then again, the corollary is that, well,
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  Speaker 1: wait a second, I'm an officer that has a family
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  Speaker 1: and a life outside of my job. I'd like to
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  Speaker 1: be able to go enjoy that. You're depriving me of
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  Speaker 1: any benefit of even working. I can't even go home
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  Speaker 1: and spend my money. So where are we on this?
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  Speaker 3: Well, remember last time I was here, we talked about
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  Speaker 3: the six point seven million dollar budget cut that they
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  Speaker 3: were going to hit. Yes, and I said to you,
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  Speaker 3: that'll never happen. We're coming up into summer and the
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  Speaker 3: overtime is going to be off the hook, So that
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  Speaker 3: budget cut's not going to happen. It couldn't it can't.
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  Speaker 3: And not only that, but the city. Do you know
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  Speaker 3: what PVO is, It's a police visibility officer. It's a
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  Speaker 3: detail where they drive around and they're visible in high
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  Speaker 3: crime areas. So the city manager just mandated twenty four
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  Speaker 3: to seven PVO for Fountain Square, so they have to
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  Speaker 3: pull from the relief shifts to cover that. So if
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  Speaker 3: it's not fieled, they're implementing rotations to pull from all
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  Speaker 3: of the districts to cover those PVOs down at Fountain Square.
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  Speaker 3: So again we're looking at we're going to be looking
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  Speaker 3: at mandatory overtime. If somebody doesn't sign up for it,
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  Speaker 3: somebody's going to get appointed to go work in that detail.
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  Speaker 3: This is summertime. Police officers just like everybody else. They
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  Speaker 3: have plans, They have families and vacations or they maybe
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  Speaker 3: they you know, they have their own plans and they
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  Speaker 3: put in for their vacation. Sure, mandatory overtime is a
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  Speaker 3: morale killer. It's okay for a couple of weeks, like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we really need your help for the next couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna pull some mandatory overtime. There'll be a rotation. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but when you don't have an expiration date on it,
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  Speaker 3: and you're saying it's until further notice. That just tanks
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  Speaker 3: morale because nobody can make plans, they have to cancel plans.
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  Speaker 3: They made people start calling off, people start looking for
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  Speaker 3: other jobs.
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  Speaker 1: And I was waiting for you to say that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because in spite of the fact that they've approved to
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  Speaker 1: recruiting classes, as reported, the numbers of police officers active
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  Speaker 1: police officers are projected to be even lower next year
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  Speaker 1: than they are this year. And right now we're about
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  Speaker 1: one hundred short.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're closer to like one hundred and twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, great, but we did just have a Carolyn.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well we were at like one hundred and thirty,
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  Speaker 3: but then we had an academy class come through. But
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  Speaker 3: then you got to remember, you've got uh, several officers
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  Speaker 3: that'll be retiring this year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, I mean, if you look at the FOP Queen
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  Speaker 3: City FOP page, co President Cover is very good about
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  Speaker 3: announcing retirements on that page, and you've got retirements every week.
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  Speaker 2: Every single week, he's.
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  Speaker 3: Announcing you know, so and so's retiring after this many
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  Speaker 3: years every single week. So it's it's not like they
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  Speaker 3: go for a large expanse of time where nobody retires.
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  Speaker 2: It's a constant turning cycle.
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  Speaker 1: Well, as we're going to break the other elephant of
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  Speaker 1: the room, at least in my head, as you talked
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  Speaker 1: about this mandatory overtime or voluntary every time the point
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  Speaker 1: is to patrol Fountain Square.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's just one.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's one PVO twenty four to seven assignment that
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  Speaker 3: the city manager pulled out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you mentioned withdraw bowing officers from elsewhere to
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  Speaker 1: patrol Fountain Square. So my logical question is, well, if
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  Speaker 1: the criminal element out there knows that Fountain Square is
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  Speaker 1: going to have twenty four to seven officers around, aren't
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  Speaker 1: there other neighborhoods that that crime could be committed in
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  Speaker 1: if that's what they're inclined to do? Reasked rhetorically, there is.
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  Speaker 3: But I will say this, both shootings at Fountain Square,
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  Speaker 3: the one we recently had that was a fatality, and
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  Speaker 3: then when we had last summer that they you know,
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  Speaker 3: basically fired Chief Thigi. Ever, Yeah, they had officers detailed
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  Speaker 3: on the square both times.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, so both.
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  Speaker 3: Times there were police officers work in a detail right
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  Speaker 3: there on the square.
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  Speaker 2: And they they got in gunfights anyway.
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  Speaker 1: So theoretically it's supposed to keep crime at bay. In actuality,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't always work out that way. We'll continue with
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  Speaker 1: craziness going on in the city of Cincinnati and another
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  Speaker 1: break there, Carolyn, you were talking about, and I think
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  Speaker 1: this suggests very good news. The Finny law firm's gotten bigger. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: they merged with another firm.
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  Speaker 2: They certainly did.
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  Speaker 1: And what does that suggest to you? Which is really
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  Speaker 1: the big question here.
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  Speaker 2: They're getting ready to kick a lot of pineapples.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, elaborate on what you mean by that,
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  Speaker 1: because we all know what pineapple means.
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  Speaker 3: Now, yeah, well we've got well pineapple could mean any cursord.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, So.
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  Speaker 3: The Chief Washington decision should drop any day.
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  Speaker 2: That should be coming out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Fire Chief Washington is waiting for a big payout
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  Speaker 1: due to his wrongful termination, So you expect that payout
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  Speaker 1: to show up shortly.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I expect the decision from the federal court to
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  Speaker 3: drop soon, like any day, and then I don't think
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  Speaker 3: they're going to reverse the lower courts, and that will
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  Speaker 3: mean Cheryl Long does not get to keep qualified immunity.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so he's gonna get He's going to get
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  Speaker 3: to go right after her as well individually.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's.
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  Speaker 1: That's gonna hurt. Yeah, so well her anyway.
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  Speaker 3: So I have a feeling that's part of the reason
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  Speaker 3: why the Finny law firm extended.
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  Speaker 2: Chief Fiji's case.
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  Speaker 3: You've got Sherman Smith is probably going to be suing
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  Speaker 3: the city over the CFD boloney, You've got well Danita Pettis,
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  Speaker 3: So I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, oh yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: If you think about all these lawsuits and and that
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  Speaker 3: doesn't even count Alex Stravinsky, So you know that's going
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  Speaker 3: to be a lawsuit coming up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the heat deserved it what he got.
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  Speaker 3: Guy, right, And I'm sure Holly, oh yeah, Holly's probably
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  Speaker 3: going to be filing too. So yeah, there, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: there's there's no shortage of lawsuits against the city, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't think there's.
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  Speaker 1: Going to be well on the other side of the equation.
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  Speaker 1: Going back to your the First Amendment information you gave
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  Speaker 1: us earlier, there apparently no shortage potential lawsuits from people
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  Speaker 1: who feel they got their rights violated by the inst
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  Speaker 1: police department, which I it seems to me the par
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: bowl administration share along at all all seemed really anxious
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  Speaker 1: to write a check in those cases. Well, I was,
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  Speaker 1: it's almost like there's no defense whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was told by a very reliable source that the
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  Speaker 3: city moves about one and a half million dollars a
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  Speaker 3: month out of the general fund over for lawsuits. They
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: pay out lawsuits almost just just constantly. So lawsuit for here,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: lawsuit for there, a little bit here, a little bit there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, who's charged with defending the city on that? Isn't
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: this the solicitor's office? And wouldn't you expect that maybe
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  Speaker 1: some emotions or court papers would be filed in defense
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  Speaker 1: of the city before checks are written.
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  Speaker 2: One would also think that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, interesting that, Carolyn, I know, well, what's the story
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  Speaker 1: on felonies? You were talking off air, they're always interested
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  Speaker 1: in working a plea deal negotiation, and apparently the I
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: guess the prosecutors are walking away from going after felony
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  Speaker 1: one type of prosecutions in favor of resolving them out
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  Speaker 1: of court ahead of time. And I know there are
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: plea deals that are enter into all the time. And
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: usually the argument is from the prosecutor's office, Well, we
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: got a conviction, yes, on a lesser offense, but we
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: got the conviction. We didn't have to expend taxpayer dollars
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  Speaker 1: to try the case. We could lose in court with
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: some savvy defense lawyer proving guilt beyond you know, saying
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: that does not guilty on a reasonable doubt. I understand
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  Speaker 1: the argument. But from what I heard from you, this
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: has become seemingly a broader trend.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well we've seen it since Connie Pillach took office.
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  Speaker 3: The first thing she did was fired a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: veteran prosecutors, bad idea, which caused a mass accidents of
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  Speaker 3: a lot of other prosecutors. You know, there are a
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  Speaker 3: couple handful left that are still there, but they're inundated
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  Speaker 3: with stuff so they're busy.
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  Speaker 2: And then you got all these little baby.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Lawyers now who work for the prosecutor's office, and a
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: prosecutor that has no idea what she's doing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she never did prosecute a case on her own,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: did she?
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  Speaker 3: Just the one a few months back where she was
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: she was arguing against early release.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, someone who has practiced law, I'll be the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: first person to tell you you don't know Jack Squat
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: as a new lawyer period. You need mentors, exactly need
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: experienced lawyers to walk you through the process. I was
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the benefit of that wonderful training at the law firms
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I work with when I was doing civil work. Defense
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: works the same thing. You got your own set of rules.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: You have to know them and understand them. You have
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: your own set of I mean, you're talking about constitutionally
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  Speaker 1: protected rights here, so you really have to found understanding
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the constitution, but also the inner workings of the criminal
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: justice system. Who do you work? It's just so getting
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: rid of some serious long term talent is I think
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: it always cases a terrible idea. And I suppose I
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: really would want to know what was the reason for
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: firing those long standing prosecutors. Is it political? Were they
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: just rubbing budding heads.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Politically, it was absolutely political.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: So like she came in and fired Dave Wood like
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: the first week she was in office. I mean, he
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: was one of the first ones to go boom gone.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: And then that of course caused a lot of other
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: people to go, oh no, no, no, no no, I'm
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: not going to.
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  Speaker 2: Work here for her.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: So you know, it's just you know, I get it.
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  Speaker 3: You have this political ideology and you want to be
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: more of a social worker than a prosecutor. And but
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: we need a prosecutor and we need judges who are
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: going to do their jobs.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I would argue the prosecutor's office is no place
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: for reformists. No, that's the end of the line. Well,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: actually the end of line is the judge in who's
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: you're trying the case in front of. But if the
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: prosecutor's office isn't the one entity you can count on
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: to be tough on crime, then we're screwed, right, boiling
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: it down absolutely Well, I guess elections have consequences in
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Hamilton County, do they not?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: And I gotta tell you, I get that comment all
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: the time on my page.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: You get what you voted for.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: You deserve everything you get and you know it sets
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: my head on fire. Brian, I didn't vote for any
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: of that. No, I live in cincinnat I live in
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  Speaker 3: Hamblda County. I did my duty. I voted, and i didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Vote for any of this.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm just tired of people regurgitating the same thing
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  Speaker 3: over and over.
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  Speaker 2: I get it, but.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask I think this is an important thing
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  Speaker 1: to bring up in response to that type of comment. Yes,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: elections have consequences. Do you know who's reminding people of
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: it with specific detail over and over again? Yeh, you're
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: the one.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: That's why I recommend people read what you write, because
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: if Signal ninety nine it wasn't giving you all this
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: information and detail, you wouldn't realize the consequence of your
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: vote or your lack of vote.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: It's local reporting done by someone who is not quote
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: unquote a really an official reporter. I don't even know
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: what that means anymore. If you can go out and
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: gather information, you can put it together in a cohurate
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: form like you do, and provide quite often the documents
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: backing up what you are summarizing. You're basically doing a
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: reporter's job. Whereas there everybody else on this.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Hmmm cets.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and that's why you have the trolls out there,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: angry that you're actually bringing this to people's attention. Yeah,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: so you know, without the trolls, without the anger and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the vitriol that you face as a consequence of bringing
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: this up, if it wasn't there, then maybe your job
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: would be as well could be viewed as redundant. Oh
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: we heard that Channel nine reported on that. Channels Well,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I've reported on that. Yeah, we read the interview with
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: so and so. It's like you're just repeating what other
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: people have done. No, this is new, and it shouldn't
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: be new, and it shouldn't be the sole source of
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: information over its signal ninety nine. Thank you, that's my impression.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Well that's why why Kevin, you and here to talk
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: about this? Just really just mmm.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Hey, can I give a shout out really quick?
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Of course you can't.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: So I want to give a shout out to the
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Miami Township Police Department for protecting me from my little
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Clarmont County stalker earlier this week.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Got to speaking engagement, I do congredulation. Thank you in
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: what way?
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: You?
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: In what way? It was rendered to you, Carolyn.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: They pulled their SUV cruiser blocking my stalker's view to
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: the front door where I was walking in to be
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: a keynote speaker, and it was my absolute pleasure to
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: speak for them and be there. But I just want
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: to thank the Miami TOWNSHIPD.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: They hooked me at PROPS, the Miami touch Hip PD.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I think there's other police departments. You have comments on
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: going on generally speaking in the area. We can do
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: that coming back.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I think writing for example, wasn't it.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we could rehash that if you want, well,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: you talking about whatever you.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Want hash or rehash. Now, I'm letting you be the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: guide today. Given the brain fog I'm dealing with, Carolyn,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I am not in a position to really steer the
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: direction of the conversation. So I'm thankful I've got you
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and Jay Ratliffe coming up next, Folks. Eight nineteen fifty
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: five KERCD Talk Station Carolyn aka Signaled ninety nine, Trouble
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: at the station, says she on so many issues and
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: before we get to a breaking story, here it here
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: first and fifty five KRC Talk Stations Signal ninety nine
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: on that one just real quickly, the triple fatality fire
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: that happened on was it North Edgewood Avenue. You hit
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: something about that one, Carolyn.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, back in January, we had that triple fatality fire.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Remember they called nine one one said they were trapped
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  Speaker 3: on the second floor.
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  Speaker 1: They were live on the phone with the phone.
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  Speaker 3: We just we I mean, this is so incredible to me.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: So the call taker that took that call, that spoke
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: on the phone to the victim, okay, shouted across the
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: room to the bridge where the bridges were the supervisors.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, in the communications center, there's like.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Yep, they call it the bridge. That's where the sripervisor
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: said Captain Kirk.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So the call taker shouted to the bridge and said,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: we've got three people trapped on the second floor.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Put it out over the air. Put it out over
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the air, because.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: The call the exchange was not over the air.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Correct, It was in the CAD system buried in the notes.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Documented in the notes that this conversation was going on.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: And yet the firefighters on the scene had no.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Call, have no idea that there were three people trapped
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: on the second floor.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: So the supervisors shouted to the dispatcher, three people trapped
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: on the second floor. Put it out, Put it out,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: put it out. The dispatcher never did it, So it
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: was actually the dispatcher dropped the ball, not the call taker,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: not the supervisors, but the dispatcher. And that dispatcher has
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: not been punished, written up, supplended in any way.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: It's like it never happened.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: So the call taker is so worried about this not
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: being broadcast to the fire personnel on the scene, screams
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: across the room to the head Captain Kirk.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Captain Kirk says, get it out there on the air.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: And that wasn't followed through. It seems me the sense
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: of urgency couldn't be understated at that moment in time.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Well, and not only that, then the city came back
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: and said, oh, there were no policies violated.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: What is wait a second, is there not a policy
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  Speaker 1: that says, if you know there's a person trapped inside
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the building and you have them on the phone, you
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: need to broadcast that.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's a policy. That's a policy. I believe it's
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: eight oh three.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: So you have a specific number. It's right there. So
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: how can they say the policy wasn't violated went demonstrably.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Else. Yeah, they they just didn't think we'd figure.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: That out in the face of the overwhelming evidence has
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: been reported, the fact that the CAD notes show that
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: this was going on.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Correct. Okay, yes, so well, if.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: You have a public that doesn't really pay attention to
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: these matters, they might listen to lies that are told
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: to them. Oh, I don't know, saying like a campaign
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: ad for a politician, for example, nobody ever lies in
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that true.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I just hope the family of Marian Schwartz and sal
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Archenbald and A's Lynn Kafaro.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I hope they have an attorney.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Oh lord, another eight million dollar check? I guess.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think it would be much more than that.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure what the status of the fire
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: personnel's liability, if there is any, in the course of
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: the responsibilities, but I guess one can make an argument
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: about gross negligence just saying it's possible. Legal brain sort
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: of working this morning and pivoting over to Redding. Apparently
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: we have some shenanigans going on with the Was it
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the Redding police chief?
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he you know, he's the cross didn't report came
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: out last year with a whole bunch red flags that
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: all pointed at the chief, Brian Edens, and they said,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: you know, basically he's an ineffective leader about a communication.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: He's retaliatory. You know, fourteen officers have left under his watch.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Council kind of circled their wagons. So did the mayor.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, he's.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Fine, we don't We're not going to put a lot
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: of stock in this report.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: They should have been more thorough.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think they spent like twenty four or
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: twenty seven thousand dollars for this report.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: It was very thorough.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Parallels to be drug with the police chief ye issues.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Here, so they kind of they kind of just blew
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: it off like no big deal. Edens did nothing in
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: his department to really fix anything that was called out
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: in the cross and report. In fact, the retaliatory behavior
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: continued right up into this year.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: So and then in January, him and.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: His Hubris Okay, needed to make some type of an
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: appointment for his brother for a doctor's appointment, and instead
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: of texting his brother or someone in the family or
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: looking up on Google or the auditor's site, he tells
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: a clerk, Hey, run out my brother and get me
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: his address.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I need to make a doctor's appointment.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Using the police resources to find an address.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: You can't do see ICEE leads and see icy. Yeah yeah,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: it's felonies.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Right. You can't use that database to look up your
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: ex girlfriend from back in high school.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: And he would know that because he used to be
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: the LEADS administrator that recertified everybody in LEADS.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Every year, So he knew that. He just simply didn't care.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, So so he's on.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: An administrative leave right now.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Fair enough? What should have been perhaps the icing on
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: the cake was the report finding him I guess to
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: be ineffective in some way. It should have been enough.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: But then he sealed his own fate by violating the
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: law and doing this check.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Well I'm hoping so I'm what I'm hoping writing doesn't
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: bring him back.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: As things currently stand, he is on an administrative leave, correct,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: But RCIC did get all hanked off and go rescind
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: his access. So even though he's on administrative leave, he
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: has no access.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: He's had a security credentials pulled.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, fair enough.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Well, what an interesting mixed bag of Shenanigan Signal ninety
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: nine Carolyn It's always a pleasure to having you on,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and I appreciate your bringing all of this to our attention.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Quite often you're the only one that does. And don't
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: listen to the trolls, especially my friends on the Cincinni
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Police Department. We have your back, We love you dearly.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Just ignore them. They do not represent the majority of
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the population, most of the majority who appreciate you and
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: would love to have you well in the neighborhood. It
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: just will be nice if you didn't have to work
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Trump quadruple overtime to provide that service there in the neighborhood. Well,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: hope they get things squared away. Carolyn, thank you so
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: much for your time today, and you're tireless work throughout
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the week looking out for everybody's best benefit. Thanks again.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: We'll have you back real soon and maybe we'll do
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: a we'll open line.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have people call in. It'll be a hoot.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Carolyn's idea. So if you're interested in calling in and
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: asking her questions, maybe we'll do that next time.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: And that's the