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Bijan Robinson & Jahmyr Gibbs HOLD IN at Training Camp, Good/Bad News Around the NFL, Middlekauff Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: John Middlecoff three and our podcast? To me, it's a show.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: We had a lot going on today. We got hold
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: Ends with some star running backs. We got Mike McCarthy
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: changing it up in Pittsburgh a little bit. I thought
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: we'd do a little thing because there's so many little
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  Speaker 1: stories about guys, injured, guys playing through, guys coming back,
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: some good and bad today from camps around the league.
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: We'll do some mail bag questions as well at John Middlecoff.
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  Speaker 1: never miss a show and we'll dive it. As a
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: football I do want to start with remember years ago
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: there felt like a I don't know if they tried
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: to stage a mutiny, but it was like, are the
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: running backs all going to quit the NFL? They all
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: thought they were getting screwed, and in fairness, some of
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: them had a little bit of a beef. You know,
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: we had offensive guards, linebackers, a ton of other positions
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  Speaker 1: getting paid a lot of money, and it felt really
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: difficult for the running backs. You know, football is very
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: cyclical things, ebb and they flow and the running backs,
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  Speaker 1: and part of it is the talent that has come
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: into the league over the last I mean, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: ten years, I think we'd all agree, you know, you
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: have to put together a career. But when McCaffrey and
• 1:51
  Speaker 1: Saquan are right, I mean, they're two of the best
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  Speaker 1: talents of like the Internet era, you know, and we
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  Speaker 1: got some young guys right now that are exceptional and
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: currently Jamier Gibbs and Bijeon Robinson I think two of
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  Speaker 1: the best players in the league. I think Bjeon is,
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  Speaker 1: pound for pound just any position, one of the best
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: players in the league. And Gibbs, I mean, what he's
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: done speaks for himself. Both those guys are holding in
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: and if they played defensive end, if they played offensive tackle, hell,
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: if they played wide receiver, they probably would have got
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: a big contract. I think what makes this very difficult
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  Speaker 1: is both guys view themselves as more than a running back,
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  Speaker 1: what they bring to the table in the passing game.
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: And if you said Bjeon Robinson and Jamier Gibbs could
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: never play running back again. They could easily transition to
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: slot wide receiver, no problem. I mean and excel crush
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: catch ninety balls a year, right, McCaffrey back in the day, Listen,
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: I was wrong on my McCaffrey evaluation coming out of Stanford.
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I think he'll end up being
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: Julian Edelman. Like now, he's a little better than that.
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  Speaker 1: I do think you have to be very careful though
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  Speaker 1: about paying running backs. Right when you're the Eagles and
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: you have a missing piece and it's Sakuon Barkley, it
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: makes sense. Then he has a historic year, you break
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: him off even more now relative to other positions. It's
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: not like you're giving him Jalen Carter money. It's not
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: like you're giving them Rashawn Slater money. You're not paying
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: them like a pass rusher, like an offensive tackle. So
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: even though you're quote unquote giving him some cash relative
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: to some of these wide receivers, mikeah Parkson's got almost
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million dollars guaranteed last year. So
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: you could be the best player in the league at
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: the position. And what are we talking about fifty sixty
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed. And that's where I think their beef is,
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: like they want probably like Brandon Ayuk a couple of
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: years ago, look at that guy, talk about someone falling
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: off the deep end quick grant here if after what
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  Speaker 1: we've seen the guy do on social media now consistently
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: for a while, anyone signs him and then something happened
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  Speaker 1: that to me should be a fireable offense. Right, there
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: are enough breadcrumbs to know, like, if you bring this
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  Speaker 1: guy into your building and things get weird, that is
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  Speaker 1: on you as a general manager. Your number one job
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  Speaker 1: is obviously to judge them as a player, but judge
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: them as a person. And most of the gms talk
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  Speaker 1: it's like a sacred space, the type people they bring
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  Speaker 1: in their locker room. And the Falcons and the Lions.
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, the Lions have done an incredible job, not
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  Speaker 1: just Gibbs, but their entire core is just high level
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: badass dudes. And Bijon Robinson, as a buddy told me
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  Speaker 1: that scouted went into Texas his year coming out, He's like,
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  Speaker 1: this is as good as a prospect any given year
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  Speaker 1: you're ever gonna see. He was the total package. On
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  Speaker 1: and off the field, and he's lived up to it.
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  Speaker 1: He just happens to play for a bad team, which
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: is not his fault. Jamiir Gibbs, who is going to
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: get paid. I watched some of Dan Campbell's press conference
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: to day. That thing's gonna get figured out. Even though
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: I think we could argue at times running back can
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: be somewhat of a luxury item, right, Like a lot
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: of people could figure out a way to pay for
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: a luxury car. It's like, you probably shouldn't be doing that.
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: If you're renting an apartment. You know, let's let's get
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: your finances, so let's buy a home before you do that. Now,
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: once you got everything figured out, if you want to
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  Speaker 1: splurge and you got the extra coin, that's on you.
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  Speaker 1: But to me, the Falcons who will dive into their
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: quarterback situation later, which is a disaster. Got a couple
• 5:29
  Speaker 1: pieces on defense, one guy that somehow avoided I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: like jail time, this offseasons just yeah, James Pearce at
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  Speaker 1: camp He's rock and rolling, which I understand why teams
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  Speaker 1: do that. They all do it that. The Falcons are
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  Speaker 1: not alone. I'm not picking on them. The Rams just
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  Speaker 1: did it the other day. That's how Sean McVay opened
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: his press conference, like, Hey, we're just gonna let the
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: league handle it. Then we're gonna let the legal system
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: handle it. Then we'll get involved, which they're not the law.
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  Speaker 1: Their jobs to win football games, so we can feel
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  Speaker 1: every want to feel about it. We're still gonna watch
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: and those guys, if charges disappear, will be on the
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: field unless Roger Goodell kind of drops the hammer. So
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: to me, Jamir Gibbs isn't really part of this conversation
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  Speaker 1: because he clearly is a core piece because the GM
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  Speaker 1: and the coach that drafted him, that invested him, that
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  Speaker 1: celebrated like they just won the lottery when they drafted him,
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  Speaker 1: and everyone somehow on the internet and all these draft
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  Speaker 1: grade shit on him. It's like, guys, they just turned
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: pick six into Sam Laporta, who's also healthy now in
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: Jamieir Gibbs. Like even at the time, that's probably gonna
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: be pretty good, and it exceeded everyone's expectations, probably including them.
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: I think the Beijon thing's interesting. New coach, who listen,
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: I know everyone likes the guy. Smart guy had a
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: couple good years with the Browns, which isn't nothing. I mean,
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: that's most people sucked there. I would say twenty twenty
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: was kind of a weird year and he kicked Baker
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: to the curb, and you know, Flack go like, how
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: much credit does he really get for resurrecting Flacco. Flaco
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: just kind of had an incredible year and that year
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: the Browns, for a couple years under Jim Schwartz, they
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: had the best evensive league. I'm a little luke warm
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: on Stefanski as just like this super dynamic coach and
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: clearly his evaluation skills when it comes to quarterbacks. Like
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: my guess is because I saw on the internet, like
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: when are they going to trade for Dylan Gabriel. That's
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: one of those things that Ian Cunningham, the new GM goes, Listen, Kevin,
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  Speaker 1: we're partners here, but I gotta draw the line somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Under no circumstances are we giving up anything for Dylan Gabriel,
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  Speaker 1: not a you know, bag of balls. Not We're not
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  Speaker 1: sending them shakeshack gift certificates, let alone trading the seventh
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  Speaker 1: round pick. That is never gonna happen here. It's not
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: gonna be tolerated. So they signed Cooper Rush today because
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: of their quarterback situation. But this team isn't going anywhere
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: to me. I know their record looks a little bit
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: better last year than it actually was when you watch
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  Speaker 1: them play, and now that I think they're gonna have
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: a quarterback situation that is going to be a debacle.
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: I don't care if Bjhon Robinson turns into you know,
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: mid nineties Barry Sanders this year or nineteen seventy eight
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: Walter Payton. It's not gonna matter now. One problem is
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: because my first take was going to be they should
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: trade him, and I believe they should trade him because
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: in theory, a guy like Bjhon Robinson kind of text
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: around the league like just his talents shouldn't at you
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  Speaker 1: like two ons, and they're the type franchise that should
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: be in a position to be sniffing around that stuff.
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: No different last year when the Raiders, who were going
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: through a transitional period, tried to trade Max Crosby for
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  Speaker 1: two months, it was one hundred percent the right move
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: just turned out to Costa got cold feet, pretended it
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: was a failed physical, and the rest is history. But
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: that was the right move by Spice tech Kubiak in
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  Speaker 1: that organization, and once you get back you're not going
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: to trade him then for fifty percent of what you
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: just got, you might as well hold it, hold him,
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: you know, bring him back, ride it out. I do
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: think that Max Crosby, depending on how you know their
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: record is, might be back on the block in six
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: seven games into the season, and if they can get
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: a one in a two because he's balling and dominating
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: and they're not gonna make the playoffs, that is the
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: right move. The problem when I look around for b
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: John Robinson's like, well, trade him for a couple of ones.
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: He could be a missing piece who's doing that? Like
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: the Bills should always be in the mix of sweet
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: players on the market. Well, they have a good running
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  Speaker 1: back that they paid money to. You know, the Chargers
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: they just drafted a guy a year ago in the
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  Speaker 1: first round. Like that happened, you know, So are are
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: you just going to pretend that didn't happen and just
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: do that. I have a hard time thinking that Jim
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: Harball would Obviously a lot of good teams in the
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: NFC feel pretty good about their running back situation. The
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: forty nine Ers, he would make a lot of sense
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: of Kyle Shannon. They had Christian McCaffrey, the Rams. You know,
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: they don't even have a first round pick to trade.
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: So I think when you start kind of the Seattle Seahawks,
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: which he would definitely make a lot of sense up there,
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: just drafted a guy in the first round. I do
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: think when you start looking around the market, even the
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens put Bijon with Lamar Jackson, would they kind
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: of do what they just did for Max Crosby, for
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: Bejehon Robinson. That's not really been their mo at that position.
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: So from a position value standpoint, I just don't think
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: that he would pull the trigger despite how good the
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: guy is twenty years ago. I think there would be
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: teams lined up right now. I think for what you
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: would have to give up to justify it, I don't
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: know if there'd be that many teams and then give
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: him a massive relative running back contract. Right So, I
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: think the Falcons are in a tough spot, and I
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: think what my guests will be that ends up happening.
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  Speaker 1: They just give him the most money ever given to
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: a running back. Because it's this isn't apples to apples
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: so much talk right now in NBA about like Steph Curry.
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: Is Steph Curry getting screwed with Steph Curry. It's like, guys,
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: even if they don't win, they need Steph Curry to
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: sell out that arena because they sell financed it, and
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: so far they they make more money. You know, some
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: people believe they make more money than the New York
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: Knicks in terms of gate revenue. The Golden State Warriors
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: do think about that. It's because of one guy. People
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: show up to see the equivalent of like Michael Jordan,
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, and Steph Curry. And that's kind
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: of what Bijon is for the Atlanta Falcons. So if
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: I owned the team, unless we got like whatever are
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: two to ones and a two, basically treat him like
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: you would Max Crosby last year or Khalil Mack back
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: in the day or some of Jalen Ramsey, Like that's
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: how you would treat him. I just don't know looking
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: around the league, if there are that many teams that
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: would feel a player away, that are a player away
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: at that position. Right to me, if I'm the Bills,
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: like I'm doing that for the defensive player I'm in
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: the mix for Videvea or when Max Crosby comes back
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: on the market. You've already heard Jerry Jones like he
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: wants a defensive player, So my guess is you're kind
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: of just stuck with him, which isn't a bad thing.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: The problem is having Bijon Robinson on this team is
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: the ultimate luxury item, and we saw it with McCaffrey
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: on Caroline. I mean, you see it with running backs
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: sometimes on bad teams. Hell, Barry Sanders, the majority of
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: his career was kind of wasted because he was with
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: at the time arguably one of, if not the worst
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: franchise in the league. The other thing that always fascinates
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: me is there's so many different ways to attack training camp.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: Back in the day, pre twenty eleven, most people kind
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: of did the same thing. You had double days for weeks,
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: and you hit, you went to the ground. It was
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: a war zone. You would have been an outlier if
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: you said, yeah, we don't tackle, we don't hit. Like
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: I remember my first year in Philly just just hell.
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: When I got to Fresno State, it felt like three
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: weeks of double days. It was just how are these
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: guys doing this and coach Hill had come from Belichick
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: and Belichick forever in New England Andy Reid, who still
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: runs one of the hardest training camps. The rules just
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: don't allow you to do that. So I think teams
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: struggle with how do we approach camp right? And then
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: every day that you see some player have an injury,
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: it scares you a little bit. And I think back
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: in the day, maybe injuries were less, Maybe the internet
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: word didn't travel as fast. I do think that is
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: definitely a theory that I'm coming up with on the
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: fly right now, that the power of the phone, the
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: power of word traveling has to impact your psyche. It
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: does in all these other industries. Think how we talk
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: about the stock market. It's like, we want crypto because
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: you can trade it twenty four to seven. Which listen,
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: I'm in that world, like I like that shit every day.
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: That's all you're thinking about is just give me the information.
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: It's like we've just dumbed down journalism. Well yeah, out
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: the consumer, we killed it because I need information immediately.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: I need headlines. It's not the healthiest thing. I say
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: it all the time. I need to read more. That
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: is a mandate for myself. I'm blaming my child right now.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: I don't have the time. But that's how you keep
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: this muscle up top firing. No different than lifting, no
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: different than training, no different than you know, the brain
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: is no different. And I think because back in the day,
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: Al Davis used to pay people in different cities to
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: call and give him information. At the end of the day,
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: it was like the phone version of the internet. This
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: guy looked good at camp practice, this guy got injured,
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: and that's how he accumulated all this information before the
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: world we live in, I mean, right now, we'll dive
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: into it here in a little bit. We have major
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: injuries all over the place. It kind of comes with
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: the territory. But in nineteen ninety one it would have
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: been a little harder to figure it out if you
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: were the San Fransco forty nine ers, Like what happened
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: today at Tampa Bay fucking ar practice, what happened today
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: at New York Giants practice, You wouldn't have these readily
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: available clips of God, this guy looks terrible. Oh God,
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: this guy's moving around pretty well. So it's just a
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: different world that we live in. And I clearly cowardles
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: on this that McVeigh changed it forever the moment he
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: didn't play anyone in preseason games. I remember day and
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: age when the first preseason game guys played a series
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: or two. Second preseason game they played the whole first quarter.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Third preseason game, they played the first half, and they
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: came back out for a series in the second half.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Fourth game, they were out. Those days are long gone.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: And Dan Campbell, who's still old school, who is still
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: the type guy that's like, yeah, we will go live.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: I was watching today they kind of asked him, like,
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: what's your plan. He's like, listen, we might play guys
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: in preseason games, depending on how continuity comes together at
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: certain positions. We might life tackle. In practices, we might
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: go to the ground, or because of injuries, we might
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: do none of it. You just it's kind of a
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: fluid process, but everything is on the table. Twenty twenty
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: five years ago, guys were playing in preseason games. Whether
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: a guy got injured or not, that was a one
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: hundred percent lock. And Mike Tomlin, who came up in
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: football in the old school days, you know under that
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Monti Kiffen tackled to the ground. One of the great
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: defenses of all time, kind of where he cut his teeth.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Used to go live, and Mike McCarthy said today, we
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: are not going live, And even he was like, don't
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: act like I'm some puss here. I have gone live before,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna do it anymore. I don't even
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: blame him, like I personally, I would be in the
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: McVay school. Just we're paying too much money. These assets
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: are too valuable. I can't afford to lose a guy
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: August second. That's gonna miss the next two months. If
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I can't avoid it. Some things are gonna be unavoidable.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: But I do also understand being physical, tackling live like
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I'm never gonna be critical of someone that does that.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: You can lose a guy. I mean, the Panthers lost
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: a guy before they even put on pats, sort of
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: the Bengals today, Right, you can lose a guy and
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: that's its situation. You can lose a guy in a
• 17:12
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• 17:16
  Speaker 1: ready for camp, strained to pack lifting. You can get
• 17:20
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• 17:23
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• 17:29
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• 17:33
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• 17:37
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• 17:41
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• 17:43
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• 17:46
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• 17:48
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• 17:50
  Speaker 1: and it's definitely become more in vogue to kind of
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: not do anything that is definitely the way the wind
• 17:56
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• 17:59
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  Speaker 1: little good and bad today because we had so many
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  Speaker 1: and I thought we just kind of go rapid fire
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: the good and bad from Wednesday, when a lot of
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  Speaker 1: teams around the NFL it was kind of their first
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: full day with veterans all on the field. You know,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: you have this like three or four day acclamation process
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  Speaker 1: for you even allowed to put in pads before we
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: dive into it. The good news is is Andy Reid
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: spoke today that Eric Bienemy's wife is doing really well.
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  Speaker 1: She's out of the intensive care unit. Obviously avoided something
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: that could have been It was already really bad, could
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: have been catastrophic, right, just a awful, awful situation, And
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: good that she's on the men now to actually on
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the field here. The good because I think a lot
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: of people I'm not the biggest believer in the Giants
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: this year, not that I don't like their trajectory, not
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: that I don't believe that John Hart will get him
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: going in the right direction. I still think they got
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: some holes. I still got a lot of unknowns on
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the defensive personnel. I know they can rush the passer
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Are they going to be winning a
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: lot of games? Can they stop the run? Who's covering
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: anybody offensively? Like, listen, Jackson Dart's got some talent. Can
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: he stay on the field. Who's protecting him? You know? Scataboo?
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: What's he looked like? But most importantly, like there are
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of questions about Marvin Harrison. There's a video
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I got sent today with him and Mac Wilson doing drills.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I listen, I'm not gonna crush you first couple of
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: days of doing drills. I mean you name a player, right,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Trent Williams, Josh Allen, best players in the league. Right,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: can look awful in one individual player two individual plays.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: It's fucking football. You should struggle. But Marvin Harrison has
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: not been good yet. A lot of question marks, a
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: little scary. But he was taken above the Milik Neighbors
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: and then immediately it's like Marvin Harrison does not have
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: that talent and he doesn't. But Milik Neighbors start having
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: some injuries, got the concussions, and then he has his
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: knee injury. Then then in the off season they're like,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: you know this conna be bad and they need to
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: go back in there is he gonna be around. It's like,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, if you don't have elite neighbors, your upside
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: is a little limited. Well, today there was a clip
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: of him at practice he was activated off pump that
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I saw. Joe Shane said, We're still not gonna go
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: like on the record and say concrue like put it
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: in sharp eat he's playing week one, but it did
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: show him moving and he looked good. So I would say,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: if I'm a Giants fan, I can take a little
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: deep breath of like, Okay, this isn't one of those
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: he goes on pump and we just never really see
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: him again the rest of his career. Maybe we can,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: we all can settle down a little bit and hope
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: is still there for him to live up to his
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: potential if his knee works, because his ceiling is sky high.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: He's a fucking baller. The bad. Speaking to wide receivers,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people sometimes in a draft
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: will go like, why'd you draft that guy? You already
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: have guys in that position, and sometimes you draft him
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: because he's the best player on the board, and other
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: times you draft him because you know some of the
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: guys in your building. There's some question marks. And the
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: forty nine ers took Deshaun Stribbling out of Old miss
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: with pick thirty three, and the only reason they took
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: him thirty three is they were able to trade back
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: in the first round where it's pretty clear they would
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: have taken him, you know, somewhere there in the mid
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: to late twenties. They were comfortable doing it. They just
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: traded back and got some more picks. If you're like
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you already got you just signed Mike Evans. You drafted
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Ricky Pearsall a couple of years ago. Ricky Pearsall's career,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: removing the incident with getting shot, which fucking insane guy
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: wore like a champ, was back on the field so
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: that no one questions his toughness. Some guys get injured
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: a lot, and it's not because they're not tough, it's
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: like their body parts don't work. And Pearsall had immediately
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: shoulder injuries last year. He hurts his PCL this year early.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: You know, in OTA's he had like a sleeve on,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: and people like, guess something up. And then today it
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: comes out that the forty nine ers he's having swelling
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: on his knee. They're not only concerned every exploring all
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: options was the verbiage used. Exploring all options. So when
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you explore all options, to me, that means opening that
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: bad boy and going at it again and having surgery
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: on your knee. And I think at this point in time,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: his body's betraying him and the forty nine ers can
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: no longer count on him. And then I think, big picture,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: if you're the Niners, like the problem, why this is
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: so bad? And this is the same thing with Mo
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: League neighbors and Marvin Harrison. Obviously those guys were higher
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: picks than Ricky pearsall, but when you use a first
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: round pick on him player and then a couple of
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: years later, you're like, this is not going well, Like
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: this is trending for this guy not get his fifth
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: year option picked up and just to not be able
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: to contribute into games. And there Listen, Ricky went healthy
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago or even early in last season,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: looked like he had a chance to be a really
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: solid player, but if your knee just will not work
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: and swells up after you practice, you just you can't
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: really contribute. I mean part of the reason, I mean,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: really the entire reason you get paid in the NFL
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: is to play in the games. And right now, again
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: removing the incident where he got shot, he just hasn't
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: been able to stay on the field with just football
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: injuries and his body hasn't responded. And that's that's a
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: huge part of playing in the NFL. Because I was watching,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I watched so many press conferences early in the morning
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: when I got when I got Jack, and he just
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: you know, he's sleeping on his own now, but for naps,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: he just will not nap on his own. So you
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: gotta you gotta nap. He's got to nap on you.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: So you just, you know, you find a cozy place
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: somewhere around the house, and you bring the iPad with you,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and you start doing some bring the earphones, and you
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: start doing some some studying. And I've watched probably twenty
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: of the thirty two pressers so far, and one of
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: the ones I was watching was slom and Sala brought
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: up a good point. He's like, the reality is in
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: football after the first couple of days in pads. Talking
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: about like injuries and playing through Nixon and bruises, is
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: you never feel like you did coming into training camp
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the rest of the season. Obviously throughout the season, some
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: injuries are worse than others, but no one that plays
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: seventeen games feels good going into week one, let alone
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: as the season goes on. So a huge skill is
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: just being able to stay on the field, you know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: herm Edwards. The best ability is the availability, and a
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: lot of guys that are available as the season goes
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: on are not feeling great, you know. So most guys
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: will tell you, especially the you know, veteran players, it's
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: hard to get right for Wednesday's practice after a Sunday
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: afternoon game. Think about that, you've had Monday, you've had Tuesday,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and if you don't practice till like lunchtime, that's like
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: three full days and they don't feel right. So it
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: just shows you, man, this is very, very difficult on
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: your body. The good Joe alt or Sean Slater, who
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I think fully healthy, would be not just up for consideration,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: would be viewed as the best offensive tackle duo in
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the NFL. Slater got a massive contract was it last year?
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Then ripped his knee and Joe Walt immediately as a rookie,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: look like, goddamn, this guy looks like a Hall of Famer.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: So Jim Harbaugh said it over and over. The offensive
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: line is the tip of the spear. We view them
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: as weapons. And last year the offensive line Herbert running
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: for his life. Having these two guys back, obviously all
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: moved over to left tackle, and then he hurt his
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: ankle and missed I forget exactly how many games, but
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: just wasn't able to play as the season went on
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: because he had the bad injury. So that's that's always
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: good when you get guys at premium positions that are
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: premium players good to go to start camp, especially Slater
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: because the injury he had the non contact last year
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: in camp. I remember saying when it happened, it's like,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: that's a pretty devastating injury for a bigger player and
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: for him to be full go. And I'm not saying
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: that he's won like relative is good right now as
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: he would have been before he got injured. It might
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: take some time, but just that he's able to function,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: you starting left tackle has to make charges feel good
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the bad that this is something that who could have
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: seen this coming. I'm telling you, if he could, they
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: would have traded for Dylan Gabriel. So I don't have
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: any inside information on this, but I got a Givean
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Cunningham credit. There's no way he has refused Kevin. We're
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: not trading for that. We're not doing it, and if
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: they do, that's an embarrassment. But they signed Tua, which,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: of course, if you like Dylan Gabriel, two is the
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: better version of that. Uh, Stefancy's gonna like that. Well
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: he's injured, and listen, I respect Tua, but his body
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: just cannot hold up. So he's got a back injury
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: camp practice. I'm probably gonna have to take the l
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: on this. I love Michael Pennix, and maybe it was
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: just because I loved him in college. I didn't do
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: a good enough job of like removing the emotion of
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: like how's this really gonna work. He had three acls,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you know, in high school, and then multiple in college
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: and a shoulder injury. He's still not clear to be back,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: and even had a comment like I don't feel comfortable
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: out there someone falling into my knee. I mean it's
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: kind of football and one you have yellow jersey on,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: no one can hit you. So they had to sign
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Cooper Rush today. I just think this Falcon situation at
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: quarterback is going to be a nightmare and it's be very,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: very interesting. They have this offensive coach who is supposed
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: to be this I don't want to call him a
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: genius because he hasn't shown that, but viewed as a
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: high level offensive guy, it's like, can you figure it out?
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: You know, can't can't because last year they had a
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: historically poor offense in Cleveland. You know, can you bring
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: anything to the table. Because if he can't, it's like
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: it could just get weird. You know, it really could.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: The good Mattabuke a couple of years ago for the Ravens,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: the star defensive tackle, looked like one of the best
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: interior guys in the league. You could argue, you know,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: two years ago when or maybe it was three now,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I guess it was. This is gonna be the third season,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: so it would have been Mike McDonald's last year in
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: with the Ravens. He was an unstoppable force when they
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: had the best defense in the league, and he was
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the best defensive player and then a couple of years
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: later he has this neck injury and a lot of
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: people thought it could end his career. Where well, today
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: he was, you know, physically, he passed his physical and
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: cleared for training camp. Now again, I saw some clips
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: he was kind of working off to the side. I
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: don't know if they're just gonna throw him into light
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: bullets immediately. But if you're a Ravens fans, like, okay,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: if his next okay, and he's medically cleared, can he
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: just play with Tray Hendrickson And can we just get
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: back to having a legitimate front. Because one thing when
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you same with the Steelers, like when you think the
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Ravens and you think the Steelers, you think a dominant
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: guys up on the line of scrimmage on defense, and
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: that was definitely not the case last year. And in fairness,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: like you lose a couple high end person you know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: guys on your personnel, you know, or guys get old immediately,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: there's nothing much you can do, Like you're not just
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: gonna find guys like that on the street. So that's
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: pretty good news. The bad speaking of a line of scrimmage,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I understand this guy at five sacks five or six
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: sacks his entire college career at text A and M,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: and then he goes to Combine and he's a freak,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people thought that the Bengals kind
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: of reached he was gonna be in position with their
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: additions with Dexter Lawrence to kind of like it was
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: gonna be hard to not be somewhat productive. I was
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: kind of buying some stock of Schamark Stewart. Well today
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: it was cart off the field. So anytime your first
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: couple of practices guys are carted off the field, whether
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: it's your best player or a guy you just got
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: high hopes for, that is just a kick in the nuts.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: That's a kick in the nuts where you just lay
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: on the ground for a while. So that that just
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: sucks the good. Listen the Browns they're rotating Deshaun and Chador.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I think I saw it was a Jerry Judy kind
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: of was rooting for Deshaun to start. My guest is
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson ends up starting. H It's amazing when you
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: make that much money, the sway it will have in
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: personnel meetings. But they did listen, you got rid of
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, but you did replace him with a real player.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: You still got good defensive back, and they extended Ward
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: and grand Delpit today. You know two guys that. I mean,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Ward's been a really really high end corner. Clearly Delpit
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: is you know, a solid safety, just good player. So
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: you gotta pay somebody, you know, you can't just have
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: pay nobody. You have a bunch of guys on a
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: rookie contract. So Andrew Berry's kind of wheeling a dealing
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: right now. And the bad this every time you look up,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: someone with the Panther is injured. They lost their third
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: round pick today. Brazzle, the wide receiver who at one
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: point in time on the internet it looked like he
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: tour has like ripped his ACL. Turns out he tore
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: his LCL. Not a doctor, but based on everyone on
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: the internet reporting, I think what the Panthers are telling him,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: he's gonna miss eight plus weeks. So I would imagine
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: they put him on pup and he misses the first
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: month of the season. But they lost, you know, their
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: former second round pick a couple a couple of days ago.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: It was you know, a projected starter, a lineback. Now
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you lose a wide receiver who is gonna be right there,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: you know, with tech to kind of add some explosiveness
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: to the to the field. And by all accounts like
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: the guy can hul ass. And the one thing when
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: you have a little quarterback, give him big targets, and
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: this guy's big. McMillan's big. Like if they were, if
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: their roster was fully healthy, the Panthers on paper would
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: just be like, if Bryce Young plays well, they're gonna
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: be pretty good. Now it's like you just can't overcome
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: all these offensive linemen, a wide receiver, a linebacker. It's
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: one thing if it's like backups or seventh round picks.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: It's another thing when it's second day picks who are
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: going to play start and contribute before you really even
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: get going. That sucks. It's the worst part of this
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: time of year by far. Okay, let's do some mailbag questions.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: You guys know the drill at John mindcoff at John
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those DMS questions answered
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  Speaker 1: here on the show. We will start with Taylor golds Fan.
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  Speaker 1: Last season, we were six and one and then we
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  Speaker 1: were eight and two before we lost games to the Chiefs, Texans,
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks by total of nine points. Was it a fluke
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  Speaker 1: or do we have hope for this coming season based
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  Speaker 1: on our early success last year? I have to admit
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  Speaker 1: Steik and got me to believe in him the first
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  Speaker 1: half of last year. Is he the real deal or overrated?
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you have a fair take on him with
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  Speaker 1: your Philly connections. People really like him. He clearly knows offense.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of years ago Gardner Minshew, I mean you
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  Speaker 1: have the guy wide open and Minshew just missed him
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  Speaker 1: in the game that was basically winner. Get in against
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  Speaker 1: was yeah, the Texan game. You know last year they
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: were rolling and then their quarterback broke his leg in
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  Speaker 1: towards Achilles. And I'm not the biggest Daniel Jones guy.
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  Speaker 1: That stretch was an outlier. You lose Pittman, who I
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: definitely was slipping. You go in all in on Alex Pearce,
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  Speaker 1: Alec Pierce, you have you know, Jonathan Taylor's kind of
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: this contract thing lingering. They have some older play you
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  Speaker 1: know Buckner I saw going into year eleven. It's crazy album.
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  Speaker 1: That's guy's been a league a long time. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Ballard said it yesterday. He wouldn't accept the contract
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  Speaker 1: extension even if it was offered, because we got to win.
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of indifferent on them. You know. It wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: stun me if they went ten and seven. Also wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: shock me if they win eight and nine. I think
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  Speaker 1: there's somewhere in that world, you know, like when you
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: were eight and two, you guys were trending to be
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  Speaker 1: like thirteen fourteen win team. I would probably bet against that,
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  Speaker 1: but there's definitely a path ten to eleven wins. Division
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  Speaker 1: is clearly better. The other thing is we now he
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  Speaker 1: you know, Aaron's a lot older cousins couldn't move even
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  Speaker 1: before he tore his a kill. We have seen some
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  Speaker 1: recent a chill these injury injured guys at quarterback. It
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  Speaker 1: does take a second, you know, to expect Daniel Jones,
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  Speaker 1: who is playing the best football of his life, to
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  Speaker 1: just hit the ground running at that level feels a
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  Speaker 1: little unfair. So I think you almost got to give
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  Speaker 1: him a little grace and hopefully is the opposite last year,
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  Speaker 1: Like can they I have to look at their schedule.
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  Speaker 1: Can you just be like three and three and then
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: kind of kick it into year right or four and two? Right?
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  Speaker 1: Or you know, five and three and just you know,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: stay above five hundred or four and four and then
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  Speaker 1: kind of make your run as he gets healthy. The
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: second half of the year, they open up against the
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  Speaker 1: Ravens at home. It's a big game. That is that's
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  Speaker 1: a good that's a really really good for us on
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: the West Coast ten am kickoff game. That's an excellent
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  Speaker 1: Week one morning game. You win that game, you're feeling great.
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  Speaker 1: You lose, you go, well, we probably lost to one
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  Speaker 1: of the best teams in the league. That's how you
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: would tell yourself. This is these first three games, like
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  Speaker 1: it is possible to start zero in three. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: bet on it, but it's on the table, right you
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  Speaker 1: get the Ravens, you go at Kansas City Sunday night,
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  Speaker 1: and then you get the Texans at home. That is
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  Speaker 1: a really, really tough start to me. If you go
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  Speaker 1: one and two, if you just win one of those
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  Speaker 1: first two, you know, three games, and I think if
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  Speaker 1: you had to pick, you'd pick the Texans game. Then
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  Speaker 1: you get the Commanders at the Steelers, the Titans, the Vikings.
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  Speaker 1: You get a deep breath if you come out of
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  Speaker 1: there two and zero, Like if you win one of
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  Speaker 1: the Ravens in Chiefs game and then beat the Texans
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  Speaker 1: at home. You're in pretty good shape. It's tough, tough
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  Speaker 1: start for old DJ. Question about the overused term arm talent.
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  Speaker 1: ESPN experts love to use the term when describing quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams arm talent is through the roof. It bothers
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  Speaker 1: me to no end. I love the way Troy Aikman
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  Speaker 1: once described arm talent. He said it is multifaceted. He
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  Speaker 1: said it's a multiple things such as arm strength, accuracy, timing,
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  Speaker 1: and layering throws. I think this sums up describing NFL
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  Speaker 1: quarterback arm talent pretty well. I think when so called
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  Speaker 1: experts want to say, for example, Caleb Williams has the
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  Speaker 1: best arm talent in the league, they miss on because
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  Speaker 1: they don't describe they Oh, they describe his strength, but
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  Speaker 1: Caleb still has a lot of work to do in
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  Speaker 1: the other areas. What is your understanding of arm talent?
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  Speaker 1: I do think it's fair when most people use it.
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  Speaker 1: Include I'm guilty as well. We're talking about horsepower. So
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  Speaker 1: Caleb has one hundred mile an hour fastball, right, Josh
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Allen has one hundred mile an hour fastball. Justin Herbert
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  Speaker 1: has one hundred mile an hour fastball. But Greg maddox
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  Speaker 1: is one of the greatest pictures of all time. He
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  Speaker 1: threw like ninety two. So Caleb does struggle on accuracy
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  Speaker 1: and touch passes. Well, that's a huge part of playing quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Like if you wanted to say, the greatest arm talent
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  Speaker 1: at least of the Internet era, if you factor into
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  Speaker 1: the you know, he could move because Brady couldn't. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's gotta be Rogers because he literally had it all.
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  Speaker 1: The horsepower was elite, the touch on deep balls was elite.
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  Speaker 1: Yet layering throws he could do with his eyes closed.
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  Speaker 1: Touch on a wheel route, he doesn't even need to look.
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  Speaker 1: Stafford's a guy who under McVeigh has clearly mastered the
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  Speaker 1: total package. Like to me, if Stafford had been under
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  Speaker 1: McVeigh the whole time, you know, I think the discussion
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  Speaker 1: around him would be a lot different. But like, Brock
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  Speaker 1: Purdy has way more touch right now than Caleb Williams.
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  Speaker 1: But Brock Purdy can't even dream of making a couple
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  Speaker 1: of the throws that Caleb made last year down the
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  Speaker 1: stretch to win them games. So you could argue it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter, right, it really doesn't matter. It's like I
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: remember early on in miss Trubisky's Bear's career, there was
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  Speaker 1: this throw in the back corner of the end zone
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  Speaker 1: and basically, you know, the wide receiver is toward the
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  Speaker 1: back pylon open and there is either like a safety
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  Speaker 1: or a linebacker I would say, a couple of yards
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  Speaker 1: into the end zone. So it's a pass. If you
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  Speaker 1: gave it to Rogers, if you gave it to Brady,
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  Speaker 1: if you gave it to Peyton Manning, all different arm strengths,
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  Speaker 1: they would layer that throw and it would be a touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: Mitch could not make the layered throw. Ball would just
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  Speaker 1: sail over everyone's head because he couldn't layer it. Had
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  Speaker 1: he had a strong individual arm. But if you can't
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: layer the throws, Caleb can layer the throws. It's you
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  Speaker 1: gotta get consistent. To me, the knock on Caleb is
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: like sometimes he's got to throw a change up right
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  Speaker 1: when eye as close to you or in a wheel route,
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  Speaker 1: you just you need to throw, just nice and easy.
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  Speaker 1: That's why, like watching Rogers press conference the other day,
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  Speaker 1: it almost feels because we're so far removed just his
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  Speaker 1: true heyday. I know he won MVPs under the floor
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  Speaker 1: and he was still excellent, but like his physical peak
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: was probably like fifteen years ago, like twenty ten to
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  Speaker 1: like fifteen. I mean, the guy was on a different
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  Speaker 1: fucking level because unlike Peyton and Tom, he could move right.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Tom could make all the throws because he had a
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  Speaker 1: big arm, obviously, elite accuracy and great touch. You know,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Peyton did not have a great arm, but his anticipation,
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  Speaker 1: patient and timing was one of the best of all time.
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  Speaker 1: He had to be because if he wasn't, he was
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: like the good version of Philip Rivers, who was a
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: really good player, but you know, not as good as
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, but same thing, Like, you gotta be on
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  Speaker 1: time because if you're not, the ball will be picked.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's where Caleb has to figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: It's like party. Timing. Rhythm is a huge golf, huge
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  Speaker 1: part of their dak, big part of their game because
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  Speaker 1: if they are a little off, their ball is more
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  Speaker 1: interceptible than Caleb's. Right, It's much easier to hit a
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  Speaker 1: ninety mile an hour mistake than one hundred and two
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  Speaker 1: mile an hour mistake. So yeah, I mean, I agree
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  Speaker 1: with what you're saying, I think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: different variables in there. When most people use it, they're
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: just talking about velocity, and you're talking about just quarterback play,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: like you know, Coward had Caleb three. If you tell
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  Speaker 1: me Caleb's going to be a top five quarterback this year,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: just in terms of like start to finish top five quarterback,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: like he'll probably win the MVP question for the back.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: A couple of days ago, you were talking about how
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: injury recovery times have shortened. I suspect another big factor
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: is pepti. In a June one pod, Huberman and doctor
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  Speaker 1: A Backry discussed that at this time peptides are undetectable.
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  Speaker 1: Peptides are undetectable. So if a guy like yourself can
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: be a big peptide guy, would it be so shocking
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: if guys like Mahomes Daniel Jones are injecting BPC one
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: P fifty seven to get back on the field. Well,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: if it is undetectable and I did a job that
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: paid me what those guys make, I would one hundred
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: percent use it. I look back now shows you we
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: didn't have much going on the steroid talk in baseball.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: It's like I think how stupid that is. I watch
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: it more guys you would have used steroids. It's more entertaining,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: like what are we talking about? Well, it's like sometimes
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: stories get out, like do you think this guy's on HGH.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: I don't care he is. If ible sayim, I'd do
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: it too. He's got forty five million dollars on the line,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: So I'm not as bothered by any of the pds.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, pds with football have been synonymous since like
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: the sixties and the seventies, in the eighties and the nineties,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: so it's they changed, they adapt, and I I wouldn't
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: fault any of these guys if someone ever got in
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: trouble for using peptides, which again I don't know if
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: it's one hundreercent true, it's undetectable, if if the league
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: has tests specifically for peptides, if the league's even banned them,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I think they are because I remember hearing McAfee, who's
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: a big peptid guy too, say something like you're not
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: allowed to use them, but if you told me someone's
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: using peptiz I don't care. Forty nine ers related question
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: been following Grant Cone on Twitter forever my questions. Are
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: you a fan of his reporting style of asking the
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: ballsiest questions? So the coaches and the players, And do
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: the players and coaching staff hate him? Super curious? I mean,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: the way the story went down with Kyle seemed like
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a problem with him. I think some of
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: the players. I would say this twenty thirty years ago,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Grant would not have stood out. If you just would
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: have gone to all these teams, all these sports, basketball, baseball,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: and football, it was definitely a more it was more adversarial,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: it was more asking you uncomfortable questions, and those days,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: because of social media, people dunking on reporters. It's definitely
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: just softened, I would say. And the one thing I
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: do respect about Grant, I just don't think he gives
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: a shit. And I also think he realized, like, this
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: is a pretty good lane for me because no one
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: else is willing to drive in it. So he was
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: also taught by his dad, who you know I was
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: when I got involved in this world, like twenty thirteen, fourteen,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: his dad was still working in the business. Used to
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: be like one of the first guys asked a question
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: and it was not a softball. So I It's not
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: like he developed this strategy like his dad is an
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: old school big jay journal and wrote articles that probably
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: piss a lot of people off. But I was watching
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: the YouTube thing with Grant and his dad the other
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: day where he said I used to be cause they
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: were talking about the situation where all the reporters got
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: called into Shanahan's office, and Lou's like, you know how
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: many hours I've spent there. I used to sit in
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: there and talk shop with Bill Walsh and George Seaffert.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a different day the reporters. One is
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: if I wrote for the San Franco Chronicle or the
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: La Times or the Chicago Tribune or whatever in nineteen
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: ninety six, I was a big, swinging dick. We had
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of juice. You know why, because the power
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: of that paper was immense. So I kind of do
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: whatever I wanted. And I think they got their confidence
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: through I have this backing of the newspaper. This is
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: kind of what the consumer wants. I don't care. And
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: in a weird way, I think the coaches you could
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: blast coaches, and all these coaches were like friends with
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: the writers. It was a different world in the eighties
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: and the nineties. Nowadays, it's like, I respect the shit
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: out of the business Pat McAfee's built. I really do.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: And you know all these people that talk shit about
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: all the money he's about to get and like it
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: costs a bunch of people's job, No, he didn't. What's
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Disney World? What's ESPN worth thirty billion dollars? Like, he
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: runs a business. He's not just a host. He runs
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: a business. The one thing I would say about Pat McAfee,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: it's not like he's crushing anybody ever. It's like he
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: takes stances like can you name one Pat McAfee opinion.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: He's just he's a great like connector worker. People love him.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: He's got a huge platform, people like coming on. He's
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: not gonna pull down his pants beside the colts. He'll
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: be critical of them. He's not gonna take a huge
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: shit on Aaron Rodgers, right or McCarthy. Now, Like there
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: is boys and that's cool. I got no issue with that.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Like I know as a consumer who I'm watching for what?
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: And if you're gonna be a reporter, that can't really
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: be the world you live in. And honestly, guys like
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: you can develop a relationship if you're good at it
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: and do it right too. So I think we need
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: some more grants in the world. We really do. But
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Twitter just crushes you, and most people think it's you know,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: in the media. You know, it's just it overwhelms them
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: if they start getting negative pushback and it's just not
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: worth it. So I think that's had a great impact
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: on the loss of grant cones. And I'm using him
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: as a metaphor just around the country, Like I just
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: don't think if you if you watch a lot of
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: press conferences after games, it looks a lot different than
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: it did twenty years ago in terms of the questions
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: they're being answered, not that they're still not asked tough questions,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: but mail back question, but not a football one. I'm
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: twenty five, I got a degree, I work in the
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: micro chip industry with a fantastic company, making way more
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: than I probably deserve props to you, bro, got my
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: own place, a cat, a big ass TV, and a
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: new car. Guy's balling with a kitty cat. Went from
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: overweight two o five to the healthiest and most jacked
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: I've ever been the last two years, I've undergone so
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: much change for the better. I want to know what
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I should do about my girlfriend. A little background. We've
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: been dating for over a year. She's wonderful, kind, smart, cute,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: and helps me with everything. But in the last two years,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I've graduated school, started to work, and changed my lifestyle
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: so much. I'm almost a different dude. And with that,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I've gotten attention from the ladies. He said women. I
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: said ladies. Many I find very attractive, and I'm a
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: shamed to say I have interest in what should I do?
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Stay with a woman who got me here or let
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: her go and try something else. This is probably a
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: question for a therapist, but I like your pod too
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: much to not ask tough question. Man, My man's Jack's rich, young,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: got the world by the balls, I would say, big
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: picture looks in shape, out of shape. You know you
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: can go from the penthouse to the outhouse, back to
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: the penthouse, back to the mud like life ebbs and flows.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Clearly you're in a good spot right now. Things are
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: turning up your way. You are very young, so if
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: you have the feeling like I don't think I'm gonna
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: marry this person, but you've been dating a year, could
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: you see yourself You're twenty five twenty six, you got
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: everything kind of buttoned down businesses booming, like do you
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: want to get married'shettled down and have a family if
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: you don't view her that way? Less about let's even
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: remove all these other babes that are just fucking sliding
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: in your dms and trying to get at you. Do
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: you want to be with this person? Because if you
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: want to be with this person, whatever about the other people,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: like be flattered like it, but just you know, keep
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: a little memory bank of it for one year older,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: because you know you'll need it. But if you do
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: not like the person, if you're just looking at her
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: like I just don't like her the same. I think
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: one thing that is very very difficult for dudes, successful people,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: non sencess whoever. We turn into major pus when we
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: don't like someone like we originally did and we don't
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: want to date them anymore. We can't just say like,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do this anymore, because I would argue,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: of all the conversations you have in life besides like
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: in a hospital, life and death, I'm just talking like
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: professional personal that is easily the worst hardest conversation you
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: can have. And vice versa when it happens to you, right,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I'm over this. I don't want to date you anymore.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: We're done, especially if it's a little out of the blue.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: But if you just do not want a date her,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: separate from all these other chicks that are you know,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: want to get at you, you just got to have
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: the stones to just break up her. Now. If you're
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: just kind of feeling good and you like the attention,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: who knows, maybe you go running back to her, so
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe do it a little softly, but you
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: just got to trust your instinct with your gut, like
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: do you you know you're twenty five, I want to
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: stay serious with her? Or do you not want to
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: be serious with her anymore? And you know inside whether
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: you really like her and it's worth it. It's not
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: about like the person that got you there. You're twenty five,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: it's not like you're fifty. You know, this isn't like
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Mackenzie Bezos and Jeff Bezos. You're just this is you've
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: been dating for a year. If if you're not feeling it,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: break up with her. If you're just kind of going
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: through a little stretch now where you got your confidence back,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: just give it a little time, just take a deep
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: breath and just see how it goes. But I think
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: your gut nos. Your gut nos. But I'd tell you this,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: the easiest thing, I mean, the hardest thing to do
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: but will be the best thing to do, is you
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: got to have the stones, which I'd be a hypocrite.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I've I've tried to work my way around this throughout
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: my life, and you can backfire and you can look
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: like the biggest asshole and feel awful about yourself. Breakups
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: are not easy to handle it. It's way easier to
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: do a lot of things in life than that. But
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: it'll be the easiest way towards your path to freedom
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: if that's what you want to do. Just trust your gut. Man,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: your gut knows. It's also one of those questions that
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I'm a big believer relationship questions. Unless it's like black
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: and white, like it's like, dude, your wife's banging three
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: other dudes, it's like you gotta leave her, you know.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Like there are some things that's like, hey, you know,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: your your husband's a criminal, Like you probably want to
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: get out of this relationship. But there are certain things
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: that are just non negotiables. Most relationships, situations have a
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: lot of gray area, and people all often go to therapists.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I've never even been to a therapist, but or either
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: friends or whatever, I've always believed like you kind of
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: know best because you're spending the most time with them.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: It's it's something that you think about a lot, and
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: no one can truly summarize or give you advice based
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: on what you feel inside. Good for you for fucking
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: getting in shape and making some coin. Would you rather
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: your team win on a last second field goal by
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: your kicker or win on a last second field goal
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: by the opposing kicker? In my opinion, the former is
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: met with a kind of gratification in the same vein
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: as relief and exhale if you will, But the latter
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: is met with the kind of euphoria that I can't
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: quite explain. As a Steeler fan, I think of the
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Jets Divisional round in three and the Colt's Divisional round
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: and OH five and the Raven season finale last season
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: as examples of he missed it. Would love to know
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: your thoughts, I would say the best, The most euphoric
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: feeling is when you think you have lost. It's like
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: It'd be like thinking you're broke and then looking in
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: your account and seeing like twenty thousand dollars, So I
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: have no money. I'm about to get evicted. They just
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: repod my car. Fucked. Then all of a sudden, you
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: look at your bank count there's just money in there.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: You're like, what that's what a thirty yard field goal
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: the other team's down to You're like, we just we
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: just lost, and then the dude hits the post. I mean,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: that's that is by far the best feeling in football. Honestly,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: the feeling of kicking a game winning field goal depends
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: how long it is. Remember Justin Tucker had won in Detroit.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: It was really long. I won't say anything over like
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: fifty five is pretty exhilarating. But the feeling of them
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: missing a kick that you think is into like in
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: your mind, you've already given them the win that Ravens won,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: I'd have to go back the Jets divisional round. I
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: think was Herm Edwards as the coach. Then yeah, I
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: mean I'm missing a field goal. It's just brutal. Bro
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: is John Lynch the most overrated GM in football. He
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: traded three first round picks for Trey Lance. It will
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: go down as one of the worst draft day trades
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: in NFL history. Pump the break. It was not a
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: draft day trade. They made the trade. I forget exactly
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: how many days. Forty five days, two months. There's definitely
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: more than a month before the draft, so it was
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: not a draft day trade with the player they wanted
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: on the clock. They made the trade going yeah, we
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: like the guys in this draft, so it's just we
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: gonna get back. Makes it even worse. It is the
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: worst UH draft trade ever to trade three first round picks.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: He was not on the team week one, year three.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: It doesn't get any worse than that, like JaMarcus Russell
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: or Anthony Richson some of these other like those teams
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: just they drafted JaMarcus Russell one. They didn't trade. Anthony
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Richison was just their pick at four. JJ McCarthy was
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: just their pick. Then there's a YUK may end up
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: paying him nearly fifty million. By my math, that works
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: out to roughly two million a catch. Lynch also used
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: a first round pick on piercell, a player many viewed
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: as a second or third pick. Then they spent the
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: number eleven pick last year on Mikeel Williams, who finished
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: the season with one sack. If Lynch were running almost
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: any other team without Kyle coaching helping cover up these mistakes,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: I think he would have been fired years ago. I
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: think this is hard because these are not defined roles.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Right when the Eagles or Seattle or Tampa, there are
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: certain franchises when they miss on a player. You know,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: when the Cowboys make a move like, you know who
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: did that. That's Jerry, That's John, That's Jason Light, That's Howie,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: that's you know, if the if Miami does something like,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: that's pat Riley. Kyle Shanahan's in full control. Kyle Shanahan's
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: in control of the draft, He's in control free agency,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: He's in control of who makes the roster. Obviously John
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: has influence, but Kyle is the boss. So part of
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: paying John is to take these hits. So Kyle, in
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: a weird way, has some cover from the personnel, but
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan is in charge of the personnel like he
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: They're a coach run operation. They drafted the Indiana running
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: back in the third round. Most teams I talked to
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Adam as an undrafted free agent. I don't think the
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: forty nine Ers personnel staff would have drafted in the
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: third round. Now, who knows, maybe ends up being a
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: good player. But coaches don't care about that. The draft
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: is a market value exercise. Coaches don't play the market.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: They play I want this guy and I want him now.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: You know, there was a famous story about Chip Kelly
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: with Jordan Matthews. It's like Chip Davante Adams, I want
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Jordan Matthews and I want him now. It's like, we
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: do not need to take him in the first round,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: we can get him later. I want him and I
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: want him now. It's like I think they ended up
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: taking him in the second round. But it's a high character,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: you know, not a great player, but had one productive here.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: My point is is coaches get very fixated. Most dude,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: some understand it on just I gotta have this guy now.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Belichick kind of turned into that at the end, started
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: doing some weird stuff in the draft. I just think
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: coach is running the draft. There's gotta be some separation
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: of church and state. And you know John he's he
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: wears a lot of hats, he does a lot of
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: stuff for the organization. I like him, but it's hard
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: for me to put it on him, like I I
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: blame Kyle, like the mistakes they it's Kyle's fault. But again,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: like when you're a good coach, you're almost limiting your
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: own ceiling because like, well, imagine if you just would
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: have hit on some more picks, Kyle, we see how
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: good you are, you might win like fourteen games a year.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: I want to make this difficult on myself. It's like
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: trying to climb fuck and you know Yosemite with no rope.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: It's like, this doesn't need to be as difficult, Like
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: I'm so tired. You can use some coffee, you know,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: you don't just see the power through the day. It's like, Kyle,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: this doesn't need to be this hard. Just listen to somebody. Okay,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: we'll end on this. We got a lot of Grant
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Cone questions. My question is were in regards to team
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: beat reporters, do they work for the team? Question? I
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: follow Grant. He is very non biased and often very
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: critical of the Niners. Listening to you. July twenty nine,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Grant was repeating his interaction with Kyle when he was
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: called in to speak with him in regards to the accident.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: He mentioned he thought he was gonna get fired. I
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: always thought the Beat reporters worked for media outlets, not
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: the teams. It's a good question what he was what
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: he meant, because I saw him say that one power
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: teams have. And this goes back to a guy in
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: the nineties or of the two thousands. If I work
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: for the La Times They're not gonna yank the La
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Times credentials. They're just not no matter how much you
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: piss him off. You remember Mark Cuban once did that
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: to Tim McMahon, banned him, took his credentials. So these
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: media members all over in all these sports, they go
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: to the game, they go to the practices. It's not
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: like they buy a ticket, but their access is provided
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: by the team. So Grant just works for I think
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: SI and his YouTube channel like the Niners, do not
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: pay him a penny. But when he gets that call
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: and he says, we need to speak to you right now,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: and Kyle says, Kyle gets on the phone like Grant,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: come right now please, he thinks they're really mad at
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: him and gonna go we are not providing you a
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: credential anymore. And while he could still kind of it
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: would derail his ability to do what he's currently doing now.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Most of these teams, right, if you yanked your credential
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: every time you were pissed off, most media members over
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: the course of my life would not be credentialed, right
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: because you're not working for them. So, you know, in
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: unless the team is undefeated and never fucking has a
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: you know, fourth down, turnover on downs and interception, you're
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: probably gonna say some things that pissed them off. I
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: once got a phone call when I tweeted after the
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Raiders went oh to ten that oh to sixteen was
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: on the table because their schedule was like remaining. It
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: was like the Chiefs, it was like four of the
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: last six games were playoff teams. They ended up winning
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: three of the last six and going three and thirteen.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: But I tweeted it, and on the tarmac, the President
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: called my phone and lit me up. I was like,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: you guys just went zero to ten and you're mad
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: at a tweet that I put out, Like that's the
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: kind of the world you're in now. I'm not saying
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: that's the forty nine ers situation. The Niners were literally
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: just bringing them in there to set the records. There
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: straight because the information Grant had that was supplied by
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: the the whatever the database was wrong. So when he
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: said getting fired, if I yanked any media credentials in
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: any media members credential, right, if Brian Winhors wants to
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: go to a Laker game or Adam Schefter wants to
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: go to a Giants game, and they just do not
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: provide them, they refuse to provide them a credential, they
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: can't go as a media member. They could buy a ticket.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: So my point that wouldn't happen. But my point is
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: they do have the power to say yes or no.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Like I try to do something. I think I tried
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: to get a credential for waste management maybe and they
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: denied me because my podcast it's like majority not goalf.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: I forget exactly what it was, but like they just
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: didn't provide me a media credential. And the teams have
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: juice that way now, they don't usually use it because
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: it's basically like I got these guys here, They're giving
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: me free publicity. We don't have to pay for it.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: That's the thing about the NFL. All these people covering
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: the team and talking about the team, like they don't
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: have to pay any of them. Now, it's not all positive, right.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: There are probably a lot of people today in Atlanta
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: being like, what the fuck they're going to do a quarterback?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: How is this going to work? Or in Minnesota people
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: are like this is quarterback situe or whatever. Right, I'm
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: just nitpicking. So, yeah, they do not work for the team. Now,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: technically the team can have a have a reporter on staff,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: but I mean it's one thing if you're a reporter
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: on staff for a good franchise, like if you're the
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: horror on staff the last six years for the Chiefs,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: not that hard of a job. If you've been a
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: reporter on staff for the Ravens or the Bills. What
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: if your reporter on staff for like the Arizona Cardinals.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: What if your the reporter on staff for like the
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. That job sucks. You have to pretend like, oh,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: another great day. You know. I know we're two and twelve,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: but I think we're trending in the right direction. With
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen coming into town this week, it's like, no,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: your seventeen point underdog, you guys are gonna get teeth
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: kicked in. So most the reality is most of the conversations.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: And this has been a while now, right, I've been
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: doing this job way longer than any job I've ever done.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: But the conversations I had inside when I worked in
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: the NFL, or when I worked in college football, and
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: still when I talk to those guys today are no different.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: We're having the same conversations that we're all having. Those
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: guys like reading and watching the amount of time someone
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: in the NFL will forward me a tweet or send
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: me a clip from McAfee or Schefter or Colin just like,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: tell Colin this. It happens all the time. They love
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: this shit. They're football junkies, so they know it too,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: and they talk just as much shit inside the building
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: as they do outside the but you know, as we do,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: so it's like it's all the conversation is kind of similar.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they just you know, get their panties in a
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: bunch and get mad. But you know, it's pretty rare
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: for that to happen. But that's what he was alluding to.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Getting a credential pulled and not being able to go
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: to practice and travel and go to games and stuff.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: You technically could you have to sit in the stands
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: and be a little harder to, like, take a notepad
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: in the stands when you know, you know, Bob next
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: to you is slamming, you know, his seventeenth beer of
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: the day in the fourth quarter. We'll end on that
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: little inside baseball. Have a great day yourself, and uh
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: we will. We will talk tomorrow on Fugazi Friday. See
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: you the volume. Mm hmm