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Random Heathen Ramblings: S6, EP02 - Explaining Heathen Terms To Non-Heathens (feat Blake Russell of Skaldic Works) · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  and, and kind of getting into a funk or just whatever.
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  So hopefully I'll be getting back into the swing of things.
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  But talking about getting into the swing of things, we've got a
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  return guest coming back on the show this this season and for
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  this week, you guys want to check out some other episodes
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  that I've had this guest on. They'll be linked down below in
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  the description area. And for those of you just
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  listening on annotated in the podcast show notes.
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  And I am talking about Blake Russell, who is the mind, the
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  myth, the man, the legend, the, the, the, the, the storyteller
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  behind Skull That works. It's a musical project kind of
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  based out of the northern Alabama area close to around
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  Huntsville. And Blake's going to be talking
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  with us today about something that he's had on his mind when
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  it comes to heathens, communicating to non heathens
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  and using terms that might be confusing or not familiar to to
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  non heathens. And some of the challenges that
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  we can have with that communication, right, coming up
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  with either ways of of relating with them or them relating with
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  us. So I'm going to go ahead and
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  welcome Blake onto the show now. So give it up for Blake Russell
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  of Scalded Works. And there he is.
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  What's going on, Blake? Go through your.
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  Yeah, yeah, this is by the time. So for people listening.
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  Really how you if you're supposed to say it with the R or
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  not? Because I got, I got chastised
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  for that on a Facebook post earlier today.
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  So. Which one?
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  The first one I don't know it one is the.
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  Other gother I think Gother, yeah.
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  But somebody just said with it was without the R if it was
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  singular, 1 was singular, 1 was plural.
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  For for what? For Yule.
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  Yeah, the IT was the GO with the little, I forgot what.
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  The name of the Ed Yeah, yeah, yeah oh Oh yeah yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah so. Yeah, Ghostlyol or gothyol?
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  Yeah. Gothyol.
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  Yeah, Gothyol is like that. So it makes that kind of the Ed
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  sound. So it like then done, you know?
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  So yeah, I thought you were talking about a different word.
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  I'm misunderstood. Yeah, yeah.
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  But good you'll happy you, yes. Happy you'll marry you all.
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  Yeah. This is the night that is the
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  first night of of the pre Christian historical heathen.
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  You all right, So you all is three nights and today, the time
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  of that we're recording this. It is the first of those three
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  nights. So it's the wolf moon.
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  And so if you know for people that that catch this, by the
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  time they're listening, you know, it'll have we'll have
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  already passed it or we'll be at the very tail end of it, but
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  we'll still be on that that full moon cycle.
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  So for those of you that do catch this very first day that
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  it airs, you know, you'll tie blessings to all of you out here
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  and and yeah, and welcome back to the show, Blake.
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  This is like I think know what your third third return
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  something like that. You've been on the show 3 times.
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  Six or seventh? Six or seventh?
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  Dang, I've short changed you there, but sorry about that.
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  Yeah. We've done 6 pieces of this.
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  So I mean, I, I, I, I have some highlights that I keep in mind,
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  but then there's like, maybe I missed a few.
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  Apparently I did. I've been on and off since the
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  third. I think the third season, maybe
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  the second season. OK, Yeah, I'm going to have to
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  go back because I want people to check out some of the other
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  stuff we've talked about. It's always, it's always good to
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  get you back here and hear what's going on in that mind
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  fire of yours. You know, you've got you've got
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  music that you're working on now, of course.
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  So how's that been going for you?
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  Frustrating. Really.
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  I, I haven't, I haven't recorded any.
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  I haven't recorded anything by myself in over two years time
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  since my first and last, which which my first is my last song.
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  So I only had one song that was produced that was produced by
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  myself and released. So I had I just had the bug like
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  this weekend. It was snowing and stuff, cold
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  snowing in. So I just got the tackle harp
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  out and just started playing something and then just kind of
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  looped it and then just recorded some drums and, and now that I
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  have more better drums, it's like sounds really, really nice.
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  But getting the the render is kind of working around the doll
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  again for for the first time, and oh wow, it's like you're
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  relearning how to ride a bicycle.
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  Yeah. So you, you, you, you do all
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  your own production and stuff you don't like, send it off
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  anywhere and you got your own I guess like a home studio that
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  you record in or. Or yeah, I just, I just recorded
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  on my laptop and stuff basically.
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  But I do have a friend who also has a studio that I can go to
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  any time. But getting out there is a
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  little bit of a arrangement issue.
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  Sure. Yeah, yeah, I get that.
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  Like find the find the time, the line that lines up at this time
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  easily. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. What's do you have a time frame
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  of when you might be putting this song out here?
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  Is it is it a song that you're going to?
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  Release to to. And and put out for like
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  download and stuff or or. Or it's.
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  Going to be for streaming for right now.
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  I haven't thought about downloads.
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  I need to I need to I need to look into that more often.
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  I need to see how the I I probably need to get something
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  like what was it? My mice let's me now it's
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  whatever that downloading service.
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  So there's like disco kid, there's a few other like.
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  A band camp I think has one where you can.
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  Put it up. There district is where I go
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  through, but I'm I was talking about there's another one where
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  people can just download your music instead of just streaming.
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  Band camp. Maybe I think it was band camp
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  like that or something. Yeah, and I know a few artists
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  who put music out on band camp and every Friday, every Friday
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  of the week, band camp has artist.
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  They call it like Artist Fridays, where if you go and you
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  buy the album or a song, just a track, like you don't have to
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  buy a whole album. If you buy a track or if you buy
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  a whole album, 100% of the money that the album sells for goes to
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  the artist because you know, it's a platform.
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  The, the platform's going to take a percentage, I'm sure.
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  I don't know what that is. So during, you know, during the
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  rest of the time, anybody that buys the album, you know, if
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  it's a $15 album, you might get 12.
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  I don't know what I don't know what it is.
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  But if if people go and they buy the, the music and download it,
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  no matter what it is, the full amount, 100% of it goes to the
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  artist on band camp Fridays, which I think is pretty hip.
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  I think that's. Yeah, and Band Camp is one.
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  Band Camp actually is older than actually all these streaming
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  services actually. Oh yeah, yeah.
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  Remember SoundCloud too. Remember SoundCloud?
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  SoundCloud, yeah, SoundCloud band camp.
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  That's where people were going to put these one songs out
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  there, these small bands just like these big albums.
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  And and then now we have like all these streaming services.
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  But before, before, between those two, it was like you had
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  radio, Internet radio. Yep.
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  I think there's still a few Internet radio stations out
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  there. I don't know.
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  I'm never like stuck at a even though I work at a computer all
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  day. Like I'm never just like putting
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  on an Internet radio to listen to stuff.
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  It's it's, that's not my thing. Maybe it is for?
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  Others, but well, it, it got where, where it, well, Spotify,
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  or as I call it, swat the fly. It it's gotten, it's gotten
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  where it's gotten to where it just repeats the same old things
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  over and over again. If you put on a on a radio
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  shuffle. But I do like to use Spotify's
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  radio feature based on the songs based on the artist or the song
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  that I'm listening to so I can work, so I can discover new
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  music. Yeah, they also got that thing
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  called smart shuffle where like if you, let's say you want to
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  play, you know, high lung radio or Wardruno radio or whatever
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  radio type where it's all that artist plus other things.
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  You can, you can set it to, it's called smart shuffle and it
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  will, it will suggest and, and, and play songs of a similar
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  genre or style randomly, you know, so and then if you like
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  it, you can add it to the playlist or add it to you're
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  like things or whatever. So yeah.
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  So I'm assuming you're on Spotify, right?
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  Skulbicworks is. Yeah, I'm on, I'm on every
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  streaming service you can think of right now.
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  I'm on District Head does me where I it puts me on all kinds
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  of things. Like I think it puts me even on
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  iHeartRadio as well and Pandora, but it also puts me on Spotify,
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  Apple iTunes. Yeah.
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  Yeah, what's what's the other one?
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  There's one of them that's real funky.
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  I have never heard it before until I went to signed up for
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  distro kids such with AD or something.
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  It's not. Oh, Deezer, maybe.
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  Deezer. Yeah.
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  Deezer. Yeah, yeah.
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  I'm like, I'm like, who used that?
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  Deez Nuts. You know.
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  Yeah, comment below. Comment below if you use Deezer
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  please. I won't know who, I won't know
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  who who uses the user. Just let me know.
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  So. Yeah, I'm on everything because
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  that's what District Kid does for me.
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  It allows me to do that, but it doesn't allow me to get
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  discovered very well. So yeah, but that one song has
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  has not even scratched the surface of getting like over 50
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  plays yet. So really anywhere.
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  Or combined. On Spotify on any of them, like
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  Discovery on there is like crazy.
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  I think what happened was back when I first put it on there,
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  they had a system. I think their system was
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  basically have how many they wouldn't promote just people
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  with one song song. They would have to get like
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  multiple songs in there. Oh, I see.
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  That's the reason why I'm trying to pump out as much as I can.
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  So my goal, my goal for this year is to at least put out a
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  new song at least once a month or twice a month do.
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  You have anything? I know you said you're working
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  on something right now, so is this the first of more to come?
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  Maybe or? Yes, yes.
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  Awesome. And hopefully I have others that
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  have written. I'm going to try to get those
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  out. One of the ones that I'm right
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  I've written already I am having some difficult trouble with
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  right now because it's got some weird timing issues that I can't
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  figure out, especially with the especially with setting a click
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  track to it is like how do I, how do I get this in meter so I
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  can play play along to like the Metrodome, you know?
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  Oh, I see. Yeah.
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  Interesting. I want to try something real
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  quick. I don't know if it's going to
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  work or not. Let me.
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  See if it will. Yeah.
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  Where did my Where did my camera go?
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  You're not frozen my end, you're frozen on my end.
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  Yeah, hold on a second. I might not hold on.
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  Let's see. Let me try this sometimes.
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  Sometimes my camera glitches all which for those of you that
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  watch this show, you know it's a It's not a deal breaker, but it
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  can definitely be frustrating. Oh, that's part of the
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  entertainment. Yeah, part of the enjoyment, I
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  guess. I guess you could say part of
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  the. Part of the entertainment.
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  Is that what you said? Yeah.
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  I guess you. Know.
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  Yeah. Can you hear me?
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  Yeah. Can you hear me?
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  Yeah. Don't ask me.
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  It says that we're still recording.
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  Don't ask me how. Yeah, I even exit out.
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  I refreshed my browser as well, so.
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  Yeah, yeah. Don't know what happened there.
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  All I know is whatever I was going to try, I'm not going to
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  try again. All I was trying.
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  To do all. I was trying to do Blake is show
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  people what or have people listen to to to your song.
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  I just opened Spotify and I was going to share my thing to I was
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  going to share my screen to to have them listen to to it and
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  and then next thing you know, we run into.
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  To all that so. Anyways, the name of the song is
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  what the one? That you have call the
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  ancestors, call the ancestors. OK, so for people's interest,
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  let's get Blake up to some more listens or more streams or more
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  downloads or whatever, at least on Spotify.
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  So we'll have a link to that annotated down below on Spotify,
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  and you can find it other places too.
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  You can find it on Apple or iTunes.
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  You can find it on me out there or a Deezer, right?
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  Comment below. Let us know if that's where you
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  that's where you're catching your music.
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  I took a look at, I took a look at see what it was about and see
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  if it was any and how it flowed and stuff.
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  And I I'm like, I still like Spotify better.
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  Yeah. For its, I guess it's like I
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  just don't, I can't warrant like two or three things.
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  Yeah. Well, maybe we'll get some more
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  listens for you out here. So check it out folks.
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  All right, so now, before we before we run into any more
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  unplanned technical issues, I don't know what the heck that
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  was, but this that that was new. We're we're we're just finding
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  out new things all all around this year.
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  It seems there's just all kinds of new things that were, but you
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  had you had something that you wanted to to share or talk
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  about. Like.
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  Yeah. So what was it that you were
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  facing recently that you wanted to rap about?
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  Well, it's not really a major problem for me.
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  Hang on, let me It's not really a major problem for me at all.
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  But it I do sometimes find myself in a situation where I
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  have to explain myself when it comes to using words that we use
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  as heathens. Like for instance, weird, or as
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  I use it, I call it ERT you know, because that's the Old
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  Norse variation, because weird is angle, I think.
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  Was it Anglo-Saxon or? Weird is AI think weird is an
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  Anglo-Saxon word that. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, I believe so. I believe that's where it's
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  origination, yeah. Yeah, it's either or Old
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  English. Yeah, well, Anglo-Saxon they,
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  they did speak, they spoke Old English.
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  So. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I think it is. Yeah, and then then also things
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  like like, say, for instance, like they tear for our land
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  spirits. And sorry, I kicked the mic.
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  You're fine. But see, I'm trying to think of
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  other words. I mean like explaining our God.
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  Or log you. Know that's another log.
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  Oh yeah. Or log.
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  Yeah, yeah. Like a Megan or Megan for our
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  the energy force, you know? Oh yeah, Maine.
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  Yeah, like my. Maine.
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  Maine, Yeah. Yeah, because a lot of people
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  would probably refer it to as chakra.
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  Oh, is that like? Is that an equivalent term or
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  something similar? I think it'd be I think it would
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  be close to equivalent because it's the same kind of concept.
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  Actually, if you look at it, if some people who was attest to
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  our main being like a magnetic field around our body, they also
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  lines up with the the Hindu beliefs of chakra systems or chi
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  or chi in Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Internal force, that internal energy.
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  Yeah, yeah. Like it's easy to explain, like
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  the gods, you know, like you ever say Odin or Woden or Thunar
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  Thor, you know, they, they're mostly of them are familiar with
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  those names. But when I when I tried to
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  explain, when I tried to explain things, I always I always saw
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  myself trying to walk around my words to explain or to describe
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  things that in a more of a central language.
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  Yeah. Do you are you, are you, are you
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  seeing this under in like in a certain context, or are you just
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  saying like, you know, because I'm you're talking about words
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  that that heathenry, you know, is familiar with or heathens are
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  familiar with. So interacting with non
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  heathens. Yeah.
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  The the conversation might come up or the word might come up
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  where the, you know, the words, the conversation comes up with
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  the words mentioned and then they're going, huh, What is
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  that? Is that kind of what you're?
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  Yeah, it's sort of like that. It's like I feel like I have to
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  explain it, you know, instead of just just go ahead and blurt the
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  word out, you know, because even though it has multiple meanings
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  across multiple different languages, you know, again,
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  that's modern English speaking. People don't, especially
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  esoteric people. They don't all know the whole
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  terminology that we use. Yeah, oh man, there's, there's
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  one particular one I was thinking of when you were saying
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  all this, that there's one particular word that I've found
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  myself having to explain in depth a lot, even for even for
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  heathens. And that word is Frith.
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  Frith is a word that misused and misunderstood a lot, even in
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  heathens. Yeah, I don't.
• 22:25
  I I have come to the two terms of when I use it, I don't use it
• 22:31
  very lightly. Yeah.
• 22:35
  But like I like whenever I say use the word Frith, it means I
• 22:40
  use it when I I refer to somebody that I'm own very, very
• 22:43
  well speaking terms with. Like if I talk about some, if I
• 22:48
  say use the word Frith to somebody else, it's always about
• 22:51
  somebody else that I'm very close to.
• 22:53
  Like, but I would say like yesterday, me, me and my best
• 22:58
  friend, such and such, we shared a Frith together at over at my
• 23:03
  house over a nice bonfire and some some boudin and some beers.
• 23:12
  Yeah. Right.
• 23:15
  Yeah, Well, I mean, and, and for that matter, you know, when you,
• 23:17
  when we are referring, when we, when we talk about Frith, for
• 23:20
  example, we'll just use this one word as a term, you know, to to
• 23:23
  kind of go into this a bit more. It's interesting that you say
• 23:26
  that you connect that word to be only used for you with someone
• 23:31
  who you are very, very close with and on very good speaking
• 23:34
  terms, as you say, with, right, almost like their family.
• 23:37
  And what's, yeah, what's interesting about Frith is the
• 23:42
  bonds that Frith, you know, the things that entail, what Frith
• 23:48
  is made-up of is so there's peace, there's there's
• 23:51
  obligation, there's but there's so many things about it that
• 23:53
  that reflect a very kinship based understanding of a
• 23:58
  connection, right. So you, you, you.
• 24:01
  Reserve that term and you reserve the meaning of what that
• 24:05
  term is and everything that it encompasses to folks that are
• 24:10
  like your kin and your family and so forth.
• 24:14
  So it may, you know, that tracks and that's an interesting way to
• 24:16
  put it, you know, people that you're, you know, really, really
• 24:19
  close to like family with. Yeah.
• 24:22
  And every time I hear somebody use it out of that context, you
• 24:29
  know, it's like I'm like, I want to take, I want to take them,
• 24:34
  put them in the box, put that box in.
• 24:36
  So a smaller box, a bigger box, put that box in the bigger box,
• 24:40
  then ship it off to myself. And then when it comes to
• 24:42
  myself, I want to smash with a hammer reference.
• 24:50
  You get that reference if you don't get that reference.
• 24:55
  How, how often do you see it? And like, in what ways do you
• 24:58
  see it being misrepresented or misused?
• 25:01
  Like what are some things that you've seen Frith being used on
• 25:05
  as a term and and you're going like you want to do like that?
• 25:09
  Every time I look online. Oh yeah, like every time I see
• 25:14
  somebody talk about let's let's let's join up and spend Frith
• 25:20
  together here, I'm like, I don't know you that well.
• 25:25
  Yeah, I'll come over here and spend grit with you, but that's
• 25:28
  it. Yeah.
• 25:30
  Or have that relationship of a grit stead or or.
• 25:32
  Yeah, sure. Yeah.
• 25:34
  Yeah, OK. I'll come over there and be
• 25:36
  peaceful, but I'm not I'm going to I'll share fellowship with
• 25:38
  you. That's where I like that term
• 25:41
  better is like if somebody just wants to say let's just like
• 25:44
  come and share frit. I'm like, no, I will.
• 25:47
  I will come and share fellowship with you.
• 25:49
  Yeah, we'll get to know you a bit, you know.
• 25:51
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, have a horn or two, a
• 25:53
  whale or something and get to know each other a bit.
• 25:55
  But yeah, there's no Frith between us because I'm not
• 25:58
  obligated to do anything for you if I don't know you.
• 26:01
  Right. It's yeah, it's just like hell.
• 26:03
  Like when I have close friends over again, that's what I like I
• 26:08
  said, that's where I have, that's where my Frith is.
• 26:11
  That's where I spend that time period and the one thing is you
• 26:17
  can't really to me, you can't really have Frith unless you
• 26:22
  feel like strangling get if you have know somebody enough to
• 26:25
  want to strangle them sometimes like you're.
• 26:29
  Staying on. The blows you're going to come
• 26:32
  to blows with those people that you have Frith with and.
• 26:35
  That is a keen observation, because not.
• 26:41
  It's like you want to beat, you want to, you love him, you love
• 26:45
  him to death, but you want to, you want to beat the you want to
• 26:50
  beat some sense into him sometimes.
• 26:52
  Because you love him so much, right?
• 26:54
  Yeah, exactly. Like I have AI have a friend,
• 26:57
  I'm not going to mention his name on him.
• 26:59
  He knows who he is. I try so much to get him to step
• 27:04
  outside his comfort zone, outside his box, but he don't go
• 27:07
  to any events with me like major big things locally.
• 27:11
  He don't go to the meetery with me.
• 27:12
  He don't go to anywhere except for he don't even go out to eat
• 27:19
  because he is he's on the I'm on the I'm on the autistic
• 27:23
  spectrum, but he's a little bit more on so on that, but he still
• 27:27
  is low support needs, but he has well, I used to be kind of like
• 27:34
  him back the back back when that was his age because he's like
• 27:37
  four years younger than I am. But where I was extremely
• 27:42
  glorophobic, where I did not want to go into like places.
• 27:46
  I don't like going to Walmart half the time, but I've gotten
• 27:48
  better about it and being in crowded places have has not
• 27:54
  bothered me in about two years. That's good.
• 27:59
  So so he's kind of that way. He doesn't like people staring
• 28:05
  at he has a feeling of being watched or people staring at him
• 28:09
  or judging him, I guess, or and I'm trying to get him out there
• 28:14
  and say, hey, look, these guys are just great.
• 28:17
  You're going to have fun here. You're going to get you're going
• 28:19
  to have some have something to drink in you so you can feel
• 28:22
  loose. You know, the needle flow, you
• 28:26
  know, you'll be feeling very loose.
• 28:28
  You'll be you might win a door prize or something.
• 28:32
  Right, you know, get a few high. Fives here and there, you know,
• 28:35
  whatever. Yeah.
• 28:36
  These people don't judge you. They don't.
• 28:38
  They don't They don't. They don't what's the word I'm
• 28:44
  looking for? They don't chastise you.
• 28:48
  They don't They don't say anything negative towards you.
• 28:51
  They, they were actually, when I first went there, I was scared
• 28:54
  to go in there because I heard rumors about this place or about
• 28:57
  the people that some of the people that went to this place.
• 28:59
  And then when I went there for the first time, like was it 2
• 29:04
  years ago? You talking about Ravenwood
• 29:07
  metering? Yeah.
• 29:08
  Or some? Yeah.
• 29:09
  When I first went there, when I first went there, right there,
• 29:13
  the day of the Highland concert, I felt nothing but warm, open
• 29:17
  arms. So I started going there and
• 29:21
  that's, that's the best thing of it, you know, Like you go, I go
• 29:29
  in there. Every time I go in there, Roo
• 29:30
  gives me a hug. Roo is good people you know.
• 29:33
  You're not the only one that I know who also knows Roo.
• 29:35
  I've known Roo for for years. Yeah.
• 29:39
  And, but, and, and she's always been very kind.
• 29:41
  I've written her runes for her once or twice.
• 29:45
  And yeah, I know another fella. She was one part of the Kendra
• 29:50
  that was joining one time before it dissolved.
• 29:53
  Oh yeah. Yeah, that's how I knew her.
• 29:56
  I saw her like online a lot of times and stuff.
• 29:59
  Yeah. She's good people.
• 30:01
  She's heart, you know, she's got a good heart.
• 30:03
  Yeah. But yeah, I get it.
• 30:04
  You know you, it's tough when you've got, you know, certain
• 30:08
  things. That you live.
• 30:09
  With as a person, you know, especially being on the
• 30:13
  spectrum, you're you're. Yeah.
• 30:15
  Like you're under that scrutiny or you're thinking of this or
• 30:18
  you're thinking of that. And it's, it can be definitely
• 30:20
  tough to to break outside of that comfort zone.
• 30:22
  And I know what it's like to be frustrated with people that you
• 30:27
  love. So dearly that you just want to
• 30:29
  shake them. You just want to smack them.
• 30:31
  You, you know, you'll be like, come on, get, get, get with the
• 30:33
  program, man. Like this?
• 30:34
  Is so you're. Good.
• 30:35
  Yeah, yeah. Get out, get some fresh air,
• 30:39
  touch some grass, hug a tree. Right.
• 30:43
  Pick some mushrooms. Maybe eats the mushrooms, you
• 30:46
  know that that helps too well. The right ones.
• 30:49
  The right ones? Yeah, if you can find them.
• 30:53
  You can eat all mushrooms at least once.
• 30:55
  We'll we'll put it that way. Just be careful out.
• 30:57
  There well, a lot of the majority ones are the right ones
• 31:00
  too. Like they can either have the
• 31:03
  hallucinage, the psychoactive part, or they can have healthy
• 31:08
  implements. Yeah, some.
• 31:11
  Some make really good coffee. I've heard that I've heard.
• 31:15
  Have you ever had any that those those drinks that are made from
• 31:20
  medicinal, you know, from like lion's mane and different types
• 31:23
  of good like. Edible mushrooms.
• 31:26
  Like, yeah, they people drink it instead of coffee and they talk
• 31:31
  it up like it, like it's the greatest thing.
• 31:32
  And I believe it. I've I've, I know a good brother
• 31:35
  of mine. He's.
• 31:36
  Into stuff like that. And he's, he's had, he's tried a
• 31:38
  couple of them and. He he, he thinks that.
• 31:40
  They they do pretty good, but. I've I've been wanting to start
• 31:43
  taking up foraging myself, but I've always heard even before
• 31:48
  that I used to be into like really big survival type things,
• 31:53
  big gear head, like not like pocket knives, like survival
• 31:59
  gear, camping, hiking and all that stuff.
• 32:02
  And and I always heard about chaga.
• 32:06
  Yep, I've heard about you. I have never tried it.
• 32:10
  That made a great coffee. It's like you can roast it and
• 32:12
  you can also make like, what was it?
• 32:15
  Acorn coffee? See.
• 32:18
  I'd like, I've, I've watched some videos about acorns and
• 32:22
  what you have to do to consume them.
• 32:25
  They're first of all, they, they're, it's not like they're
• 32:27
  toxic, but they're just, they taste awful.
• 32:30
  They're very bitter and you have to use tannin out of it, I think
• 32:34
  is what it's called. It's it's that it's not the
• 32:36
  chemical, but it's the part that makes it so bitter.
• 32:39
  You got to like boil it out of the nut and even then feel a
• 32:44
  little bitter but. Yeah, yeah.
• 32:49
  Basically, it's like, it's like you have to roast it, you know,
• 32:56
  it's kind, it's kind of, it's kind of like the, it's kind of
• 32:59
  like the roasting version of making holy water.
• 33:01
  You got to roast the hell out of it.
• 33:03
  Boil the hell out of it, right? Boil the hell out of it.
• 33:06
  Yeah, but, but yeah. But I guess we can get back on
• 33:10
  topic here. The other one of the other words
• 33:13
  I was talking about was like Celia.
• 33:17
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 33:18
  What so like give me give me. Do you have an example of when
• 33:22
  you were talking to a non heathen person about these
• 33:26
  things and the topic came up and did and like, do you have a, you
• 33:29
  have an example of when that happened and, and what, what did
• 33:33
  you have to do to get them back? Feeling connected with the
• 33:37
  conversation? Because I, you know, I, I, I
• 33:39
  find it really frustrating at times when people talk to me and
• 33:42
  use terms that I'm not familiar with.
• 33:44
  And I'm like, I want to be a part of this conversation.
• 33:46
  I want to be engaged. But you're, you're kind of
• 33:48
  talking over my head here. You have like a a.
• 33:54
  Yeah, yeah, This I, I can recall when the earliest forms of this,
• 34:03
  back when I was going, we have a, a little esoteric shop.
• 34:07
  It's a tea house like like like holistic teas, you know, loose
• 34:13
  leaf teas, they sell crystals they sell basically every like
• 34:18
  little witchy shop they sell. But it's not geared to look like
• 34:23
  a witchy shop. It looks like it's like a
• 34:25
  holistic, holistic Wellness shop.
• 34:27
  And it's here in town and what I used to go there for meditations
• 34:36
  and stuff. And the person I met, one of the
• 34:39
  friends I met there, she leads the leads the meditations and
• 34:45
  stuff. And then when we got started to
• 34:48
  get talking later on and stuff, I end up throwing the term weird
• 34:54
  around, you know, and and she gives me that look as like she
• 35:01
  was like she was like confused, but like interested at the same
• 35:05
  time. But she's always interested
• 35:06
  about new things and learning new things.
• 35:10
  So the way the way I didn't explain it perfectly good, but
• 35:16
  then, but the way I explain it now, it's the best analogy I use
• 35:20
  for weird. Instead of saying like it's a
• 35:23
  well, like we just picture as a well, I picture weird like say
• 35:28
  like you're on a road with no map, right.
• 35:36
  That is like the concept of saying like that's fate faded.
• 35:40
  You can't control where that road goes.
• 35:43
  However, once you come to the fork in the road where the
• 35:48
  intersection is, you can choose the path.
• 35:52
  There's an obstacle in the road. You can choose how to deal with
• 35:55
  that obstacle. Either way, you can just go
• 35:57
  right through it, go over it, go around it, take it with you, you
• 36:02
  know? Oh.
• 36:03
  OK, pick it up and bring it along.
• 36:06
  Yeah. So like the the the our free
• 36:10
  wills and choices that we make. So that's the way I kind of how
• 36:16
  I can I can explain it simply is that, yeah, things that are
• 36:21
  outside of our control are faded, but everything that's
• 36:25
  else is that we can choose or control that's inside our
• 36:28
  control. That's free will and and and all
• 36:33
  that and compress our our own weird and over log and
• 36:36
  everything. Else, yeah.
• 36:39
  So yeah, I'd look at I've I've I've over the over the years,
• 36:46
  you know, of learning and growing and and having my own
• 36:49
  experiences, but also like researching and and stuff what
• 36:52
  the concepts of weird by the Norse were or the dramatic
• 36:56
  people were like, what is this, you know, terminology?
• 36:59
  It does very often get associated.
• 37:04
  It's like, oh, it's, it's basically like, you know, the,
• 37:06
  the Norse version of, of, of fate, like the Greece had they
• 37:10
  had, they had fate, you know where it was, you know, this and
• 37:13
  that is, is always fated to happen.
• 37:16
  And it's similar to in some degrees, but it's very much more
• 37:21
  we're very much it's more interactive.
• 37:23
  You know, we're not, we're not the subjects of the fates.
• 37:26
  You know, the thing that is different is like from the from
• 37:30
  the from the lore at least, is that you know what you know
• 37:35
  there is there. There are certain points of of
• 37:37
  weird where things are fixed. So you have when you were born
• 37:41
  and when you will die. Those are are fated to every
• 37:45
  man, woman, child, everybody. Like though that is every man is
• 37:48
  fated to die. You can't escape it.
• 37:50
  The day of one's doom is set and none may escape.
• 37:53
  But I think that was in maybe the the Volsun's saga.
• 37:56
  Yeah. But see, I also, I still believe
• 37:59
  that there is short term fate as well.
• 38:03
  Again, like like we chose to be here today or together, right.
• 38:10
  But if we was to stumble each other by accident in the market
• 38:13
  somewhere, that's that's fate. That's we were.
• 38:18
  We just happened to haphazardly just be in the same place at the
• 38:21
  same time. Yeah, the way the way that
• 38:24
  things were woven was. And yeah, like you were saying,
• 38:27
  like you can we, we could, you know, if that were to happen, we
• 38:31
  could choose to engage with one another and say hi, or we could
• 38:34
  ignore one another. Or we might not even see each
• 38:37
  other. We might be in the same place at
• 38:39
  the same time and have no idea of one another being there.
• 38:42
  Yeah, like the saying, fancy running into you.
• 38:46
  Yeah. It's like, I didn't know you
• 38:48
  were going to be like, like when you run into a friend at the
• 38:51
  store that you haven't seen in forever.
• 38:54
  Yeah. Also another necessary cause of
• 38:58
  the fate to me is also say, like a dice roll, like you have
• 39:04
  control over the spin. You can control the spin how
• 39:08
  however you like, right. But once it's out of your hands,
• 39:14
  everything. Else.
• 39:16
  Yeah, it's based on luck, it's based on fate, it's based on
• 39:19
  every. It's just all those factors
• 39:21
  played. But you can, you can put enough
• 39:23
  spin on it as you want to, but that ain't going to affect it
• 39:26
  because it may hit some a rock here and bounce off here and who
• 39:30
  knows, it may go down a storm drain.
• 39:33
  Yeah, all of the, the environmental elements that that
• 39:37
  are at play can affect how the dice land and and yeah, you as
• 39:43
  the one throwing the dice. And this is an interesting thing
• 39:45
  too, because with weird, the concept of weird, we, we are
• 39:50
  involved and we are in control of what is happening to to a
• 39:55
  certain extent. So for like we're saying, you
• 39:57
  know if if if along this thread. If we want to look at it as a
• 40:02
  road, you know, and all of a sudden on this road like you
• 40:04
  were talking about, there's, there's two intersections.
• 40:07
  You could go this way, you can go that way.
• 40:08
  If we decide, we either keep going straight or we go here or
• 40:13
  we go there. It it's a decision.
• 40:15
  It's a conscious involvement of us to insert ourselves into the
• 40:20
  web. Yeah, we're, we're we're already
• 40:22
  there. We have to be involved.
• 40:24
  We we're engaged with it. So we're shapers of weird to a
• 40:26
  degree, I feel. And nothing and none of the
• 40:29
  roads. Double back until you get to
• 40:31
  your destination, the final destination.
• 40:37
  Yeah, you, you never come back around to the same place where
• 40:39
  you were. You you're always in a different
• 40:41
  place. Yeah, until you're dead.
• 40:44
  Until you're dead in the ground. Then you can come back around.
• 40:50
  Now, when you explained this, this like when you explained
• 40:53
  weird, obviously we're going a bit more into the weeds with it.
• 40:55
  But when you explained this to that person, did it, did it
• 40:58
  click with them in a way that was familiar to them?
• 41:01
  Like did they have a concept of something that resembled the
• 41:04
  close enough, the concept of weird that they were like, oh, I
• 41:07
  get it now or oh, I understand it now.
• 41:09
  Did it? Do you remember what it was or?
• 41:11
  Well, they did understand it as because I I had to put several
• 41:16
  things together on the more universal state.
• 41:20
  I like, I had to put weird. I had to put not weird, but I
• 41:23
  had to put fate together with luck, with free will all
• 41:29
  together. And that's how I ascribed it is
• 41:32
  was to say something haphazardly happens.
• 41:36
  That's fate. That's luck, but with, but also
• 41:41
  like. Again, we believe that luck can
• 41:43
  be passed down as well. Sure it is.
• 41:46
  Yeah. Through the Haminga, yeah.
• 41:48
  Yeah, and. This is another term.
• 41:51
  How you know, how do you find an equivalent to that without
• 41:55
  really getting into some descriptive things you know, I
• 41:57
  mean? I have never used that word
• 41:59
  publicly though. Really.
• 42:02
  Oh, I have never had that. I have never had that, you know,
• 42:05
  to non heathens, you know, or Hummer.
• 42:09
  I think I've described Hummer before, I think, and like our
• 42:14
  own shell and stuff, you know. But yeah, like I said, like the
• 42:22
  Filia for once or the fetch, I've always used that term.
• 42:27
  Yeah, those are two, those are two things that kind of mean
• 42:30
  something the same. You know, Fetch gets used
• 42:32
  interchangeably in a lot of. I've seen it.
• 42:36
  I've seen it used interchangeably as, oh, you
• 42:38
  know, you could call the Filia, you know, the fetch.
• 42:40
  Yeah. I think Eric Shervin does a real
• 42:43
  good job at explaining some of these things too.
• 42:45
  Of course, he's done the videos and he's gone really into depth,
• 42:49
  you know, talking about the, the concepts of the complexities of
• 42:52
  the soul from the North's view or Germanic person view, like
• 42:56
  with the, the, the complexities of the soul, because there
• 43:00
  aren't there, you know, like it's that's pretty unique to
• 43:04
  that culture where, you know, the, the, the soul is
• 43:07
  multifaceted. There is not, you know, when we
• 43:10
  die, you know, our bodies die, but other parts of us live on.
• 43:15
  You know, there's, there's a, there's a aspect of us as a
• 43:18
  soul, as a, as a being that does expire, that does not continue
• 43:22
  to live anymore. But then there are other parts
• 43:24
  of the soul that do continue on in some form or fashion.
• 43:29
  Yeah, and some just again part of it can can follow and and
• 43:36
  watch over our our descendants. Yeah, the Filia, well, the, the
• 43:42
  Filia I think from like from from a lore perspective, dies,
• 43:46
  dies with its owner like once, once, once the once the, the,
• 43:50
  the, the, the lich, the body, once that part of the body
• 43:54
  person dies, the Filia goes with it.
• 43:57
  But the Haminga is what is passed down through the family
• 44:02
  line and comes in and exists. And then at 1:00 and then at
• 44:04
  some point that person you know their Filia does can make make
• 44:09
  you know make itself manifest to them or.
• 44:12
  Or I do believe that the ancestors do also follow us
• 44:16
  around as well to give us advice.
• 44:19
  Well, sure. Yeah.
• 44:21
  That's that's a big part of the conceptual views of the world.
• 44:24
  You know our ancestors are with us.
• 44:27
  Oh yeah, and, and basically it's all in in a layman's terms.
• 44:32
  A lot of people will have described it because I've, I
• 44:35
  have a lot of friends who are, are like psychic mediums and
• 44:40
  that kind of like language and, and, and the way I've learned
• 44:44
  it, everybody has some kind of mediumship or psychic abilities.
• 44:51
  It's just like, it's kind of like being a virtuoso at art or
• 44:57
  music. Some people are virtuosos at
• 45:00
  that and can pick up on it really fast.
• 45:03
  Some people have to work at it, but it's basically just reading
• 45:08
  energy and picking up on little nuances.
• 45:11
  Like if something just say like you see some like a face when
• 45:16
  your eyes are closed. That's what they what they call
• 45:19
  spirit contacting you, you know, you know, because they want me.
• 45:27
  A lot of psychics I've seen call it spirit, we call it other
• 45:33
  things, you know, other people would say it's all a form of
• 45:39
  energy in the. University.
• 45:42
  Bringing all that in and so but yeah, I have to again, that's
• 45:50
  the reason why I describe the I have to describe these things
• 45:53
  because I have again, friends who are on the psychic scale,
• 45:57
  the median scales, they can talk to more better than I am at you
• 46:02
  know, I've met, I've been told this and I can confirm that I am
• 46:06
  partially clairvoyant because I but I can only see things with
• 46:10
  my eyes are shut pick up on things.
• 46:15
  But that's how far trained I am into it.
• 46:20
  It's some people can pick up on things like they see an image
• 46:25
  like, so it's like like if you how you see images in the in the
• 46:27
  clouds kind of thing. Yeah, right.
• 46:31
  Or, or the smoke or fire or anything.
• 46:33
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I I see.
• 46:36
  I see it in the fire all the time.
• 46:39
  Yeah, like. When I when I when I'm whenever
• 46:42
  I do ritual. This is going a little bit more
• 46:45
  personal though. It's like whenever I'm having a
• 46:48
  successful ritual. I know this because majority of
• 46:51
  the candles I have around me, if I if I have candles lit, they're
• 46:55
  dancing like crazy and it's usually, it's usually the one
• 47:03
  that's on my ancestral altar space and there's the one that's
• 47:10
  that's doing it the most. Yeah, kind of sharing in that
• 47:14
  energy with you it seems, huh? Yeah, and that's how I know it's
• 47:19
  when it's like, when it's like flickering like crazy, like like
• 47:23
  jumping, like big leaks and just, and, and it will happen in
• 47:27
  in moments of the ritual that I'm, I'm saying like these are
• 47:30
  private, private rituals inside my home.
• 47:34
  But when I'm saying this, it's like it's very powerful.
• 47:38
  And that's how I learned how to. And I've always that's how I
• 47:41
  first started learning how how what's a good response is
• 47:47
  through candles, through the flames.
• 47:51
  You know, we were talking about, you know, the, the, the use of
• 47:54
  words that are familiar with heathens that maybe not be
• 47:58
  familiar. You know, these are terms that
• 48:00
  might get used like you say, you know, clairvoyancy and you know,
• 48:04
  some of the other things that you're talking about.
• 48:06
  Would you, if you had to put a or if you could think of a word
• 48:11
  that heathens are familiar with that falls under that category,
• 48:17
  what word would you think that would come to mind?
• 48:19
  Like what? Where would you put stuff like
• 48:21
  that? For mediumship it would be
• 48:23
  sather for mediums themselves or psychics vulva or saith Kona or
• 48:33
  say mother which is the male version equivalent.
• 48:41
  Yeah, that was that's what I was thinking too.
• 48:43
  Yeah, and other cultures. It could be shaman, but they're
• 48:47
  also medicine men. Yeah.
• 48:52
  They're, I wouldn't say they're healers because I don't believe
• 48:57
  in one person to be able to heal everybody else.
• 49:03
  I I see them as healing aids because we are the true we
• 49:09
  ourselves are our own true healers.
• 49:14
  Like if a you can go to a doctor all day long, they can prescribe
• 49:17
  you a treatment, but if you don't follow that regimen, you
• 49:19
  ain't going to get well. Yeah, no, you're right.
• 49:22
  I've, I've talked to somebody else about this type of thing
• 49:26
  too, where, you know, and, and they basically said almost the
• 49:31
  exact same thing where, you know, you can go to a physician,
• 49:33
  you can go to a doctor, you can get the prescription, you can
• 49:36
  get the regimen. Yeah.
• 49:37
  But if you're not following it, what good is it doing?
• 49:40
  Yeah, so. They're not.
• 49:41
  They're not healers because they're not like they're putting
• 49:43
  their hands on you and oh, you're well.
• 49:46
  Yeah, like abracadabra. You're better, you know, right?
• 49:48
  Yeah, yeah, Do a chant. No, these chants are doing
• 49:53
  these. They they don't just do chants.
• 49:55
  They do, they give you herbs to get do they give you a
• 49:59
  prescription of what to do a regiment every day to like they
• 50:05
  say, go outside. If you go outside more and you
• 50:09
  don't go outside more, you ain't going to get well.
• 50:14
  Yeah, you got to follow the, you got to follow the doctor's
• 50:16
  orders, right? You got to, you got to take the
• 50:18
  medicine. You've got to do the work to see
• 50:21
  the results. It's just like the story of how
• 50:25
  Kai Faust from Halong got into shamanism.
• 50:29
  He was, he had like lesions all over his body or something like
• 50:34
  skin lesions and he could not get anybody.
• 50:36
  No dermatologist could ever help him out.
• 50:39
  So he he gave, he was desperate and I guess and his girlfriend
• 50:44
  at the time was into shamanism and he just gave it a try and he
• 50:49
  was told for I couldn't remember how many days was go every how
• 50:54
  many mornings to go and brush your brush your skin against the
• 50:58
  morning dew. And he did that and it didn't
• 51:01
  take the full that it didn't take the full time either.
• 51:05
  It immediately cleared up. Wow.
• 51:08
  Never read, I never heard that story before.
• 51:10
  That's a. Yeah, look it up, Look it up.
• 51:13
  He even shares that a lot about what happened.
• 51:17
  Yeah. Because he was skeptical at
• 51:19
  first and then when he saw it, that's what got him to follow
• 51:23
  that path because he was, he's actually is a legitimate shaman
• 51:29
  because he trained underneath, underneath the shaman, followed
• 51:33
  them, apprentice underneath them, and then became one
• 51:36
  himself. And before he started tattooing
• 51:38
  and then he tattooed and he was doing tattoos and then the story
• 51:42
  unfolds. And then abracadabra he's and
• 51:46
  he's a singer. Yeah.
• 51:49
  Well, she's, he doesn't call himself a singer either.
• 51:51
  He's like, I just write these words and stuff and then do my
• 51:55
  chants and stuff. Yeah.
• 51:58
  So. Well, that goes back to I think
• 52:00
  just the, the spirit of high lung is, is they, they, you
• 52:04
  know, their performances, even though they are being booked on
• 52:07
  tours and they're going to places around the world, The,
• 52:10
  the experience, the live experience is, is very ritual
• 52:14
  like it's and they and they call them rituals.
• 52:17
  And having attended these live rituals, you know, this one time
• 52:22
  myself, and then anybody else who has can, can, can say for
• 52:25
  sure, like this is exactly what it is.
• 52:28
  It, it's, it's not just a concert.
• 52:30
  It's not a performance per SE. It is.
• 52:32
  There's the. Theatre, there's theatre like
• 52:34
  the ritual theatre, The, the garb, the, the, the atmosphere,
• 52:37
  the, the, the, the feelings and all that.
• 52:40
  Yeah. So, you know, just for, for Kai
• 52:42
  to be in that genuine head space that night set that heart space
• 52:46
  of I'm not a singer. I'm I'm just performing these.
• 52:50
  This chance, every night he goes to a trance every time he's
• 52:55
  every, every ritual he he does as Haylong, he's in that
• 53:01
  headspace, He's in a ritual. Because even the first one, that
• 53:04
  that one at Castle Fest, the first life, he was in that
• 53:10
  moment, he was in that ritual space in his head.
• 53:14
  He didn't know. He came out of it not knowing
• 53:16
  what just happened, if it was successful or not.
• 53:20
  Wow. Yeah, so I'm, I'm talking about
• 53:23
  he's like the real deal. Yeah.
• 53:26
  And that's, that's kind of what kind of jolted me into my
• 53:29
  experience too, is that and other things just that was like
• 53:35
  the finalization, I think for me to follow the path I'm on right
• 53:40
  now. And you are definitely a
• 53:44
  heathen. Obviously you, you have a, a, an
• 53:46
  inclination towards heathenry, but you do other things as part
• 53:50
  of your heathen ring, which I think is why you are, are
• 53:53
  finding it. I don't know if you say
• 53:56
  challenge or or difficult at times, but you you encounter
• 53:59
  people who aren't just heathen in in your in your things and
• 54:04
  then are finding yourself having to explain or educate on these
• 54:08
  terms because it's you know, you might be doing.
• 54:12
  Don't you do Reiki, yes, stuff too.
• 54:16
  I'm actually I'm. Actually going after.
• 54:19
  I'm going after my masters. I'm actually going after my
• 54:21
  masters this weekend. Oh well, good job, Congrats and
• 54:24
  I hope that it. It's not my master teacher, but
• 54:27
  it's my first masters thing. It's like Reiki 3, but I didn't,
• 54:33
  I, I didn't meet the requirements for like clientele,
• 54:37
  but I felt like I was ready enough.
• 54:39
  And that's what she, that's what my teacher has told me is like,
• 54:43
  you're ready when you feel like you're ready.
• 54:46
  And I want, and I, I didn't want it from the title either.
• 54:49
  I want it because I want to be able to do more things with it,
• 54:54
  expand my knowledge on it and stuff.
• 54:57
  So I mean, I'm sure that it it you, you would have encounters
• 55:00
  with people that maybe aren't heating and you start talking
• 55:04
  about something, whether it's at a Reiki session or or anywhere
• 55:06
  else for that matter. But you know, you have and that,
• 55:09
  you know, that I think that's a lot of of us nowadays is, you
• 55:11
  know, we, we live in a very non secular world.
• 55:15
  It's, you know, just because you know, other folks in an area
• 55:20
  that are maybe non traditional in their beliefs, they're
• 55:22
  they're very eclectic or they have a specific approach to
• 55:26
  their spirituality or their religion.
• 55:28
  New Age. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of
• 55:31
  that, clearly. I mean, that's everywhere you
• 55:33
  go, but you know, like. He but here that they have a lot
• 55:38
  of people who are Christians here, like they go to the Church
• 55:41
  of Christ. The person that that I, I know
• 55:46
  that does the meditation, the meditations.
• 55:50
  She also is a medium as well. Like I said, she's a medium.
• 55:54
  She does tarot cards and Oracle cards, but she also is a
• 56:00
  Christian. But part of her practice is also
• 56:03
  Native American in a way, which I don't want to go into the
• 56:08
  whole detail on, on the appropriation of that.
• 56:11
  But that's her choice, you know? Well, you, I mean, you don't
• 56:15
  talk about a mixed bag. First of all, to to be a medium
• 56:19
  and to do, you know, divination with tarot and then in the same
• 56:23
  breath claim to be Christian. That seems to go against
• 56:28
  everything. Like, you know, you talk about,
• 56:30
  you know, Western water, you know.
• 56:33
  And your cleansing rituals are Native American.
• 56:37
  Yeah, I mean, you know, again, not knowing the person, not
• 56:39
  knowing the circumstance, I'm not going to pass judgment or
• 56:42
  say anything to or against. I just, you know, I had AI, had
• 56:46
  AI, had a situation that I wouldn't even call it a
• 56:49
  situation. I was, I was, I was scrolling
• 56:56
  through YouTube or no, I got a notification because I follow, I
• 57:02
  follow this one group of, of, of, of heathens up in the
• 57:06
  Pacific Northwest. And yeah, they, they, and this
• 57:13
  will likely get out because I mean, they, they subscribe to my
• 57:17
  stuff, but they also listen, I'm sure.
• 57:20
  So the Northwoods Kindred, I'm not going to beat around the
• 57:22
  Bush because my comments were public and, and it was all done
• 57:24
  in in good faith. But Northwoods Kindred, this is
• 57:28
  probably weeks ago, months ago at this point now close to month
• 57:33
  or two ago anyway, they had put up a video with members of their
• 57:38
  Kindred consuming cacao, which is great and it is a delicious
• 57:46
  beverage. It is very, it is very like good
• 57:49
  cacao when when consumed in the spirit of ceremony is super
• 57:56
  medicinal. It's it's good for you it and it
• 57:59
  helps. Ground you.
• 58:00
  I've had it three times before. So you know what I'm, you know
• 58:04
  what I'm talking about. Yeah.
• 58:06
  The thing that I ended up getting into, I wouldn't want to
• 58:09
  say like an argument with online with them about.
• 58:11
  But I, we went back and forth in their comments section of this
• 58:14
  video. I said because when they
• 58:17
  initially posted the video, their description of the video
• 58:21
  was something along the lines of, you know, come partake of,
• 58:24
  of this Oscar true ceremony with, with cacao or something
• 58:29
  along those lines. And they, they made no
• 58:34
  disclaimers anywhere in that initial video clarifying that
• 58:40
  cacao is not also true. It is not heathen.
• 58:45
  It's not. It's not more.
• 58:46
  Pagan. It's, it's, it's not even, you
• 58:48
  know, it's an Amazonian, above Amazonian tradition.
• 58:53
  And that's fine, actually. It's actually also Aztec.
• 58:56
  And eat good tradition too. Yeah, so in it my, my whole
• 59:00
  point was when I was talking about it like.
• 59:01
  Go. It was that way.
• 59:03
  It's fine if you want to consume it, it's fine if you want to
• 59:05
  drink it, and it's fine if you want to incorporate it into your
• 59:07
  practice. But please do the right thing by
• 59:11
  educating because anybody who doesn't know the difference or,
• 59:14
  or, or anything might come across your video and see this
• 59:18
  and think that cacao ceremonies are also true or heathen or
• 59:24
  something. And it's not.
• 59:25
  And you can we, we, we owe it to the public.
• 59:27
  We owe it to people as content creators, as leaders, as, as
• 59:31
  people with a voice, as, as people with platforms.
• 59:33
  We owe it to them to be authentic and true and, and
• 59:37
  accurate with what we're saying. And did you even believe the
• 59:39
  back and forth that it went? And finally, I was like, look,
• 59:41
  man, I said what I said, if you don't change it, that says a lot
• 59:46
  about things. And they did, they, they changed
• 59:49
  the, the description of their video to be clear that it's not
• 59:52
  also true. And I, you know, I applaud them
• 59:54
  for that. So for the folks at Northwest
• 59:56
  Kendra that might hear this or listen to this, you know, good
• 1:00:00
  on you for, for hearing where I was coming from, because it's
• 1:00:03
  hard to convey, it's hard to convey a motion over a comment
• 1:00:08
  section or a comment thread in on a video.
• 1:00:11
  But we were going back. About this too, but as well.
• 1:00:16
  You do OK, Yeah. So I mean.
• 1:00:18
  I, I think you did this on one podcast before and.
• 1:00:22
  Probably. Came up.
• 1:00:24
  Yeah, I, I remember I remember you talking about a bit of that
• 1:00:28
  yeah. And I do agree it's like it is
• 1:00:32
  not heathen or also true or North Pagan, right.
• 1:00:37
  But I don't, I mean, I don't conduct it myself.
• 1:00:42
  I have a friend that's also again, eclectic who runs a local
• 1:00:45
  store. She is maybe I don't know, about
• 1:00:51
  3/4 or maybe 1/3 to 3/4 follower of the Nordic Path, the North
• 1:01:00
  Heathen path. But she has other things going
• 1:01:03
  for her as well. So she's like is a little bit of
• 1:01:06
  everything. Yeah, and I, you know, yeah,
• 1:01:10
  that and, and, and look, I, I don't have any problem with it.
• 1:01:13
  I just think that when so like, I guess the whole point of me
• 1:01:16
  bringing it up was the the person you were referring to who
• 1:01:20
  incorporates Native American indigenous beliefs.
• 1:01:23
  If if it, if it's done in the spirit of appreciation and
• 1:01:29
  they're not trying to gain it for the clout or do something
• 1:01:32
  to, to, you know, you know, they're not buying their sage
• 1:01:34
  from Hot Topic or some stupid thing, you know what I mean?
• 1:01:38
  Like, you know, if they're appreciating it and if it's done
• 1:01:41
  rightly, and if it's also if it's been given to them from the
• 1:01:45
  nations that that it's native to.
• 1:01:48
  Well, if it's tradition or practices that are passed down
• 1:01:52
  and shared with that person, then to do it and in a way that
• 1:01:55
  is appreciative of the culture and to do it through that
• 1:01:58
  genuine nature, I feel is is the right way of going about it.
• 1:02:01
  If you're out here, you know, burning sage and waving fans and
• 1:02:05
  doing it for the clout and you have no business doing, you
• 1:02:09
  don't know what it's for, especially because some of
• 1:02:11
  these, you know, items, some of these materials are sacred to
• 1:02:13
  certain nations and to certain. Tribes, I believe that she's a
• 1:02:18
  good heart. I do believe that she's a good
• 1:02:20
  heart because she does it when she's doing the Native American
• 1:02:24
  stuff. She does it for the cleansing
• 1:02:26
  and stuff. So she's genuinely wanting to
• 1:02:28
  cleanse. People so the.
• 1:02:30
  Prayer. So the prayer she says over it
• 1:02:32
  is mostly Native American, I believe.
• 1:02:36
  But her core faith, her core faith is Christianity, but she
• 1:02:39
  believes these other things too. So it's like an eclectic thing.
• 1:02:43
  It's like. Makes it work then I guess then
• 1:02:45
  then rock. On with it's kind of like a
• 1:02:47
  Christian. It's like a watered down the
• 1:02:49
  Pagan Christian thing, you know, Neo Christian.
• 1:02:53
  I think it's what I'd like to call it.
• 1:02:55
  Yeah, I mean, I don't know, like, I, I don't know of any
• 1:02:58
  Christian churches that that that openly welcome people who
• 1:03:01
  are like, I'm a Pagan and I do Pagan things, but I also, you
• 1:03:04
  know, believe that Jesus is my Lord and Savior.
• 1:03:06
  Like, honey, you can't do both. You can't believe both.
• 1:03:09
  Maybe they can and I don't know, but I just.
• 1:03:11
  You know, well, I think Lutheria does.
• 1:03:15
  Who? Was it Lutherian?
• 1:03:17
  I think does that. Lutheran.
• 1:03:20
  Lutheran, Yeah. Lutheran Christian maybe.
• 1:03:22
  I don't know. I'm not, I'm not a it's.
• 1:03:24
  One of those sects, it's one of those sects of Christianity.
• 1:03:27
  It's that there's a few snacks out there that that do this.
• 1:03:31
  You know, it's kind of like the people that also do the the
• 1:03:34
  Rattle state retreat kind of things.
• 1:03:36
  They do Weird that. You're talking about like the
• 1:03:39
  kind of hostels. Yeah, snake, the snake handlers.
• 1:03:42
  They, they, they pick up serpents.
• 1:03:44
  Well, that's, that's because that's in the Bible that Jesus
• 1:03:47
  told his disciples, you know, and, and you know, in my name,
• 1:03:50
  you shall take up serpents. And, and so, yeah, I guess they,
• 1:03:54
  they they hear that and they go, let me go grab a hold of a
• 1:03:57
  copperhead and dance with it. Yeah, If it bites me, I might
• 1:04:00
  die, but I'm not because I'm going to be protected.
• 1:04:02
  I don't know. I mean.
• 1:04:04
  It's part of the weird sex or something.
• 1:04:05
  There's some that do. Believe.
• 1:04:07
  Or do allow for mediumship, allow for the the whole eclectic
• 1:04:12
  woo stuff, you know? Yeah, Yeah, you're right.
• 1:04:16
  Because I mean, there's, there's mysticism in in almost every
• 1:04:20
  religion. You know, you have Jewish
• 1:04:21
  mysticism, you have Islamic mysticism, you have, you have
• 1:04:24
  aspects of Christianity that if you want to put a name to it,
• 1:04:28
  right? Because even in the New
• 1:04:29
  Testament book, you know, of where, where Christians are very
• 1:04:32
  focused on, you know, some of them put a hard line between Old
• 1:04:36
  Testament and New Testament stuff, even even the very strict
• 1:04:40
  New Testament stuff, you know, you look at their, their, their,
• 1:04:43
  their savior. Jesus was a healer.
• 1:04:45
  He put his hands on people and fight magic.
• 1:04:48
  They were healed. He could, you know, make the
• 1:04:50
  blind see, raise the dead, turn water into wine, walk on water.
• 1:04:54
  Come on, man. Like, you know, you know, you
• 1:04:55
  know, there's mysticism in every, I think religion, if you
• 1:04:59
  want to, and, and what you credit those or those abilities
• 1:05:04
  to, whether it be divinity or God or spirit or whatever name
• 1:05:08
  you want want to put to it. It's it's something that that is
• 1:05:12
  of a Mystic nature. It's magic.
• 1:05:14
  It's like, you know, maybe can't be explained or it can be
• 1:05:16
  explained, but it was, it was at such a point in time when things
• 1:05:20
  like science and technology or whatever weren't vastly
• 1:05:24
  understood. So, you know, there's this stuff
• 1:05:26
  here right now that we're doing talking to each other in real
• 1:05:29
  time through a box. Like that's, that would be
• 1:05:31
  magic, you know, 100 and 5200 years ago, even if you think
• 1:05:35
  about that. You know if.
• 1:05:36
  You think about how magic is now though.
• 1:05:38
  I mean, magic is just words. You speak things.
• 1:05:44
  Into words. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:46
  That is magical. When you when you speak, you
• 1:05:49
  know, what does it mean to cast a spell?
• 1:05:52
  What do we do when we put letters together to create words
• 1:05:54
  we are spelling? Spelling, yeah.
• 1:05:57
  But even even back then, though, it was considered mysticism.
• 1:06:01
  Like even if a woman spoke her mind.
• 1:06:04
  Ah, yeah, a witch. Witch.
• 1:06:07
  A woman, a woman. What's 2?
• 1:06:09
  You ask? You ask her what's 2 + 2?
• 1:06:12
  She says 4. You're like, she knows things.
• 1:06:14
  She must be a witch. Let's go if she, if she, if we
• 1:06:18
  dunk her, if she sinks, she's she's she's not a witch if she.
• 1:06:23
  Floats. She's a.
• 1:06:24
  She float. No, if she floats or if she
• 1:06:27
  float, float. She's not.
• 1:06:29
  She's she's a witch. So we kill her.
• 1:06:31
  If she sinks and dies, she's not a witch.
• 1:06:34
  Oh, well, at least her soul went to God, right?
• 1:06:38
  Yeah, It's crazy. The, the, the, the extreme sides
• 1:06:40
  of things that, that have existed over, over, over
• 1:06:44
  history, over over time in the name of religion or to try to
• 1:06:49
  push a, a, a religion or convert people or whatever.
• 1:06:53
  You know, I mean, it's, it's wild stuff that's happened that
• 1:06:56
  we can look back on and hopefully learn from.
• 1:07:01
  You know, one of the things that has has recently come to, to my
• 1:07:06
  mind and, and into my heart, a lesson that I have had to been
• 1:07:11
  been been taught very recently is being pushy and, and pushing
• 1:07:17
  ideas and pushing thoughts on to people.
• 1:07:23
  It's it, it never goes well, you know, even with the greatest and
• 1:07:29
  best of intentions. And you might have, you know,
• 1:07:32
  the best intentions in your heart to want to be like, but we
• 1:07:34
  should do it this way, right? Because of XY and Z, we should
• 1:07:37
  do it XYZ, we should do blah, blah, blah.
• 1:07:41
  What I've come to, to, to learn recently is we don't live in a
• 1:07:49
  time like that. Really.
• 1:07:52
  It's at least not, not, not not what I've found.
• 1:07:56
  I mean, maybe I'm not speaking. I can't.
• 1:07:57
  I can't. And I don't want to say that I'm
• 1:07:59
  speaking on behalf of, of all, you know, who, who might find
• 1:08:04
  themselves in a, in a, in a circumstance or in a position
• 1:08:07
  where, you know, we have to do it this way.
• 1:08:09
  And there is no, you know, if ands or buts about it very, you
• 1:08:13
  know, directed to specifics of of how to execute this, how to
• 1:08:18
  execute that, how to live, how to conduct ourselves, how to do
• 1:08:22
  this. Yeah.
• 1:08:25
  And I'm still learning through that.
• 1:08:27
  I'm still I'm still, I'm still receiving the lessons about
• 1:08:31
  that. But but some of what I've had to
• 1:08:32
  be, you know, given to learn recently is you can't you can't
• 1:08:42
  control people. You can't control things to the
• 1:08:46
  point that you dictate to them how things ought to be.
• 1:08:52
  We're all in a shared experience, and how can we
• 1:08:57
  coexist and how how can how can our shared experiences come
• 1:09:00
  together in a way that benefits us together?
• 1:09:05
  What can we do to help one another?
• 1:09:06
  Maybe it doesn't have to be the same thing everywhere.
• 1:09:09
  But hey, if you need me to help you with something, what can I
• 1:09:12
  do to help you? And if you need, you know, if I
• 1:09:14
  need your help, what can you do to help me?
• 1:09:16
  And there's goes back to the frit thing, right?
• 1:09:18
  The, the, the reciprocity, the, the, the exchange, the
• 1:09:21
  obligation, the gifting back and forth.
• 1:09:23
  That gifting cycle. It's which is also very heathen.
• 1:09:27
  I mean, the gifting cycle is, is one of the key, like I think
• 1:09:29
  center pillars, if you will, of, of, of evenry is, is the gifting
• 1:09:34
  cycle reciprocity. You know, a gift always demands
• 1:09:38
  a gift in return and we engage in that cycle to keep things
• 1:09:43
  going the way that that we want to see them go and, and for the
• 1:09:46
  best there's. A There's a thought here.
• 1:09:48
  This is kind of off the cuff here.
• 1:09:51
  What if sometimes gifts don't happen on purpose?
• 1:09:56
  What if sometimes, Yeah, what happens if gifts just naturally
• 1:10:00
  happen? Like like in what way?
• 1:10:04
  Like say like you don't like somebody doesn't like, it's kind
• 1:10:11
  of hard to explain right now. I'm trying to think of of a
• 1:10:13
  situation here, say like you and and me met somewhere, right?
• 1:10:20
  And then all of a sudden I pick, I find something that I, I think
• 1:10:25
  that you may enjoy, You know, like in that moment, we find
• 1:10:30
  those like, we find like this huge, like stone in the shape of
• 1:10:34
  something, you know, that we both find interesting, you know,
• 1:10:38
  and I was like, you take it. Or maybe maybe it's just not
• 1:10:43
  just that, but spiritual gifts, gift of some knowledge, gifts
• 1:10:50
  of, you know, sometimes it maybe it doesn't.
• 1:10:54
  I don't intend to give the gift, you know.
• 1:10:58
  But it happens because that's what fate, if you will, fate had
• 1:11:02
  had set right like it was at the point of the of the of the
• 1:11:04
  timeline where here's a choice. Now we we, we can go one way or
• 1:11:09
  the other with this. And if I didn't plan on
• 1:11:13
  reciprocating in the gift at that moment, it happens by
• 1:11:18
  accident, so to speak. Like like haphazardly, almost
• 1:11:24
  like say, like, oh, you gave me, you gave me this gift.
• 1:11:28
  You found a stick or something in the woods or bone or
• 1:11:30
  something. You gave it to me as a like a
• 1:11:33
  couple years that, a couple years that or maybe not that
• 1:11:35
  long ago, a couple, some period of time down the road.
• 1:11:39
  We're just wandering and stuff and we see something really cool
• 1:11:42
  together, or there's a moment that happens, you know?
• 1:11:48
  Well, I got it. I got, I got something that that
• 1:11:50
  when you, when you mention that came to mind of an experience
• 1:11:54
  that I had that that kind of fits that same sort of way.
• 1:11:58
  You know who Greg Allison is at the Yeah, there's a shoe shop
• 1:12:01
  down there next near where you live in Hazel.
• 1:12:04
  Hazel Green. Hazel Green, yeah.
• 1:12:06
  Yeah, and he and me and him did a podcast last year when I got
• 1:12:11
  this tattoo on my leg and. He did this tattoo right here
• 1:12:14
  for me. Oh, did he?
• 1:12:17
  Yeah, let. Me zoom in a little bit on him.
• 1:12:19
  Show me that again. Hold on.
• 1:12:21
  Oh, nice. Yeah, he does.
• 1:12:22
  So he does. He does phenomenal work.
• 1:12:25
  Yeah, well, he he did. My original goal was to just
• 1:12:29
  have the meal there with the horn Frescalian.
• 1:12:33
  Yeah, intertwined with it. I found an image of it one time.
• 1:12:36
  It had a moon in the background, but I didn't want the moon in
• 1:12:38
  there because I didn't want to copy somebody else's work.
• 1:12:41
  I want him to do his own version.
• 1:12:42
  So yeah, he actually added actual horn lines to make it
• 1:12:47
  look like real horn. Yeah.
• 1:12:49
  And then I had I made this. This is my dumb mistake is put
• 1:12:53
  the elder full Thark right there.
• 1:12:57
  I'm I'm thinking about having well, I have it.
• 1:13:00
  It's a little small for me for this, this arm right here.
• 1:13:03
  So I did it originally the just to hide it from my grandmother
• 1:13:07
  because not because she doesn't approve of tattoos.
• 1:13:11
  It's financial thing. If, if, if she sees it, if she
• 1:13:15
  saw it, well, she has seen it now, but which I was afraid that
• 1:13:21
  she was going to say, I'm going to hear the how much did it
• 1:13:23
  cost? Oh yeah.
• 1:13:26
  And how much did that cost? That's all she cares about is
• 1:13:29
  finances. I'm like, well, it made me
• 1:13:31
  happy, you know? But so I'm going to make, I'm
• 1:13:35
  going to have to make it bigger or make add more to it.
• 1:13:39
  Yeah, add some more. To it I may put.
• 1:13:41
  What I may do is I may put the younger fool thought just
• 1:13:44
  scattered around it. Yeah.
• 1:13:47
  So think about it, yeah. But he, you know, when, when,
• 1:13:51
  when you talked about the, the sort of randomness of a gift and
• 1:13:57
  how it can sometimes happen without it being planned for, it
• 1:13:59
  made me think of when I went down to Hazel Green to get this
• 1:14:03
  tattoo done. That was planned.
• 1:14:05
  We, we, we talked about that. It was, it was, Hey, you're
• 1:14:08
  going to, you know, you're going to do this tattoo and then we're
• 1:14:10
  going to do the podcast afterwards, right?
• 1:14:12
  What wasn't planned was my wife saw one of the T-shirts that
• 1:14:19
  they sell at at his shop that he sells.
• 1:14:22
  And she's like, oh, you know, I would love AT shirt.
• 1:14:25
  And I go great, you know, and he had her size and it comes time
• 1:14:30
  to exchange the shirt and funds and I didn't have cash on me.
• 1:14:37
  And he goes, it's fine. Just take it, consider it a
• 1:14:41
  gift. And I go, wow, first of all,
• 1:14:45
  thank you. But second of all, I can't in
• 1:14:48
  good conscience, I can't walk away from you right now without
• 1:14:53
  at least telling you something that I would like to do for you
• 1:14:57
  in exchange for this, because that was a gift that was an
• 1:15:00
  unplanned for. I had no cash on me to pay for
• 1:15:04
  this. And I was not intending to walk
• 1:15:05
  out of his, his shop with merchandise that I didn't pay
• 1:15:10
  for. So what did I do?
• 1:15:11
  I said, hey, what can I do? Would you like a rune set?
• 1:15:15
  Would you like a hand crafted rune set?
• 1:15:17
  Would that be an equal value? He said, I would love that, that
• 1:15:21
  would be great. And So what did I do right get
• 1:15:24
  back home within a week or so I had his rune set made and mailed
• 1:15:27
  off to him. So my I guess he's like when
• 1:15:30
  those random things happen, right?
• 1:15:32
  Because you can, you can. You can have a case of of.
• 1:15:35
  Random tattoo as well. What's that?
• 1:15:39
  Is he also called for tattoo as well?
• 1:15:41
  Yeah, I mean, it was it was come down, get this tattoo and I'll
• 1:15:45
  you know, we'll do the podcast and we'll call it even.
• 1:15:48
  Yeah. And I'm like, you know, so at
• 1:15:50
  least I knew that for the tattoo, there was, you know,
• 1:15:52
  advertisement for his business, which by the way, check the
• 1:15:55
  description down below, guys and gals and and check the
• 1:15:58
  instruments. If you're ever in North Alabama
• 1:16:00
  near Huntsville and you want and you want to heathen to do your
• 1:16:02
  tattoo work, it's free Spirit tattoos.
• 1:16:05
  It's in Hazel Green AL check them out link forum will be in
• 1:16:09
  the show notes in the down in the description.
• 1:16:12
  So but also again wasn't a deal. Yeah, I was.
• 1:16:17
  Going to tell you about the the shop though.
• 1:16:19
  It's got if they're if they're trying to find the shop, it
• 1:16:21
  looks like a A. It's right there in a storage
• 1:16:25
  unit area. Yeah, yeah, we almost.
• 1:16:28
  Drove my yeah, it's like, like it's right there in front of
• 1:16:34
  it's part of the the. Yeah, but we we, it's not off
• 1:16:39
  the beaten path because you're on a main highway, but if you're
• 1:16:42
  not paying attention, you could drive right by it and not even
• 1:16:44
  know. It.
• 1:16:44
  Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so I guess, you know,
• 1:16:48
  the whole point is, was, was I, I resonate with what you were
• 1:16:51
  saying with how the randomness of a gift can happen.
• 1:16:54
  But at the same time, if if you're conscious of the
• 1:16:57
  importance of reciprocity, the importance of the gifting cycle,
• 1:17:00
  you find a way. You, you, you commit to yourself
• 1:17:03
  or you commit to the other person.
• 1:17:05
  I appreciate this gift. Now let me gift back to you in
• 1:17:08
  return to, to, to make this even, you know, this transaction
• 1:17:11
  even or or so. And I think that's, that's
• 1:17:13
  important too, to realize that, you know, it doesn't have to be
• 1:17:17
  a plan thing. We're not, we're not saying
• 1:17:18
  we'll come here and give me this and I'll give you that.
• 1:17:21
  Oh, yeah. Thus the spirit of the gifting
• 1:17:23
  cycle remains in US at all times.
• 1:17:25
  We understand what it means to a gift for a gift.
• 1:17:30
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:17:33
  Or like you, you come to my like say like you come to my house,
• 1:17:36
  or I was telling I come to your house because you invited me,
• 1:17:39
  right? And then I was like, I
• 1:17:42
  accidentally leave something there, right?
• 1:17:45
  That's happened before too, the places I've gone.
• 1:17:47
  Yeah. And I was like, well, it landed
• 1:17:50
  there, so you keep it. Yeah, I'm that way sometimes.
• 1:17:55
  I would really like, I'll give something of mine to somebody
• 1:17:59
  else just so they can have it because I had no more need for
• 1:18:03
  it, you know? Yeah, we had like that happen,
• 1:18:07
  that fire on the mountain this past year, and we knew where we,
• 1:18:10
  like some people may have left something behind.
• 1:18:12
  I left a tobacco bag, a leather bag that somebody made for me to
• 1:18:16
  keep tobacco in. Yeah.
• 1:18:18
  I got home. I realized I didn't have it
• 1:18:20
  anymore. I asked about it.
• 1:18:21
  They. And then it was, oh, yeah, it's
• 1:18:23
  here and I'm happy to mail it to you.
• 1:18:25
  I said no, no, keep it. Hold on to it.
• 1:18:27
  I know it's safe. You you will keep it safe.
• 1:18:30
  And when I come back, I'll get it.
• 1:18:32
  Or you can use it. Until then, it's fine.
• 1:18:34
  You know, You know, other people have had the same thing happen.
• 1:18:37
  Where they go, is this yours? And they go, yeah, but you're
• 1:18:40
  going to have more use for it than I will more times than I
• 1:18:44
  will. Just go ahead.
• 1:18:45
  It's yours now. And I've received gifts that I
• 1:18:49
  didn't expect either. Like somebody gave me my, it was
• 1:18:53
  my first Wicker man that I went to the guy who I talked to.
• 1:19:01
  I haven't, I don't talk to him as much, but he just gave me out
• 1:19:03
  of the blue gave me what's it called?
• 1:19:10
  So it's with a, it's a stone. Amethyst.
• 1:19:14
  Amethyst. Yes, it's a amethyst.
• 1:19:16
  And yeah, yes, the way I was like the amethyst, that's one
• 1:19:23
  thing is like, and so I just had to keep it.
• 1:19:26
  I hang, I hung on to it for a while.
• 1:19:28
  I still have it, but I still yet had to reciprocate that back to
• 1:19:33
  him. But it will happen, you know,
• 1:19:35
  once I can get a hold of him, taste him down.
• 1:19:39
  But you know, one thing I did one time I had a bag of crystals
• 1:19:45
  as well, the other crystals as well that was using the help
• 1:19:48
  protect me and protect my energy from bad.
• 1:19:50
  I'll, you know, going in a new place and stuff.
• 1:19:54
  And I have a friend. She's she has a bad home life
• 1:19:59
  right now. I'm not going to name names
• 1:20:01
  again, but she don't speak hardly speak to me though.
• 1:20:06
  But she gave me I gave her one time I gave her a jaw harp for
• 1:20:13
  for the thing. For our friendship and stuff and
• 1:20:16
  she gave me something back but the same day I gave her
• 1:20:20
  something to help her protect her energy, her luck, her weird
• 1:20:24
  whatever from her I'll home life because I felt like she needed
• 1:20:31
  more than I did. Yeah, and man, that's really,
• 1:20:35
  I'm not sure that meant a lot. The thing is because of her home
• 1:20:39
  life is reason why she doesn't communicate with me.
• 1:20:42
  She's afraid that it's going to come back on me and I'm like,
• 1:20:45
  don't worry about me, I'm fine. It's it's you have more or
• 1:20:52
  worried about and I'm like, and that's sometimes those kind of
• 1:20:58
  situations are hard to get out of too.
• 1:21:01
  For sure, you know, it's, it's tragic when, when we can't
• 1:21:05
  engage with people that mean something to us, you know, and
• 1:21:09
  people find themselves in a situation where they fear for
• 1:21:12
  their safety if they continue to be engaged.
• 1:21:17
  And we see this a lot in, in non traditional religious circles
• 1:21:22
  or, or, or environments. You know, there's plenty of
• 1:21:24
  people even now and today in, in the Middle Tennessee area that
• 1:21:27
  I'm around who come to events. And if there's photography or if
• 1:21:32
  there's people taking pictures, they're like, make sure that I'm
• 1:21:35
  not in it. Or if you do take a picture,
• 1:21:37
  don't share it anywhere. You know, they have to hide
• 1:21:41
  themselves. They come to these events
• 1:21:43
  because they know that it's a safe place for them to be
• 1:21:45
  themselves and they can be free of that.
• 1:21:48
  Whereas in their home life or in their whatever day-to-day life,
• 1:21:51
  they have to pretend they have to hide.
• 1:21:52
  And it's, you know, it's sad that, that, that we're still at
• 1:21:57
  that place in, in our. Human it's not a matter of her
• 1:21:59
  hiding either from that is hiding her friendship with her
• 1:22:05
  friendships or. Well, yeah, same thing.
• 1:22:09
  I mean, not maybe not the exact same thing, but in the same in
• 1:22:11
  the vein of that, you know, you can't talk to certain people
• 1:22:14
  because they're associated with some things and the people that
• 1:22:16
  you're around are going to judge you for or whatever, you know.
• 1:22:20
  And that's again. I still wish she she'll contact
• 1:22:22
  me again. She don't.
• 1:22:25
  Yeah, she don't Friend. She has a friend.
• 1:22:28
  She doesn't have many friends. She doesn't have me as a friend
• 1:22:30
  on Facebook anymore. But I still can see her through
• 1:22:33
  other places, you know? Yeah.
• 1:22:36
  But it's a type of situation it's hard to get out of and
• 1:22:42
  we'll just leave that that, you know, right.
• 1:22:44
  Yeah. Going back to our subject, we
• 1:22:46
  need to stay on topic here a little bit more.
• 1:22:48
  Yeah. Yeah, like, like another, like,
• 1:22:51
  let's go back and like the like spirits, though, like the yeah.
• 1:22:57
  And Speaking of, did he still did Greg still have his little
• 1:23:02
  Nissan up there up in the rafters?
• 1:23:10
  He has, he has one. There's one that's like over
• 1:23:13
  his, his, oh, over his little cubicle.
• 1:23:16
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The at the tattoo shop.
• 1:23:19
  Yeah. He's got, he's got a whole like
• 1:23:21
  shelf and altar that we spent some time there.
• 1:23:25
  We, we, we, we had a prayer and a dedication to the gods and
• 1:23:28
  ancestors and stuff. He also has a statue of Odin
• 1:23:31
  like hanging up up on one of the Yep.
• 1:23:34
  Yep. The top portions and then around
• 1:23:37
  his own personal little space, he's got a little Neeson.
• 1:23:42
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I, I look up there like being
• 1:23:46
  a look up and everything. It's like cool, I need to go
• 1:23:49
  back and see him. He's a little off sometimes.
• 1:23:52
  Aren't we all, though? Yeah, like I think he's more
• 1:23:56
  socially awkward than I am. I don't know, man.
• 1:24:00
  You're both you're both great to have on a show, you know, like
• 1:24:03
  there's no shortage of conversation to have.
• 1:24:07
  That was that was, you know, one of the I don't say that not be
• 1:24:09
  first, but honestly one of the few in person podcasts that I've
• 1:24:14
  done with people where we're sitting in the same room, we're
• 1:24:18
  at the same table and we're just talking like we are, but but in
• 1:24:22
  the same room. He was, he was great.
• 1:24:25
  We it was funny. We did you watch that episode or
• 1:24:28
  did you did you catch that episode?
• 1:24:30
  Remember at the beginning, like we're sitting there and like the
• 1:24:33
  cops blow by and they're sirens and we're like, welcome.
• 1:24:35
  Yeah, yeah, that, that was the shout out by the way on there
• 1:24:41
  too. Was that you, Blake?
• 1:24:44
  Were you? Were you running from the law?
• 1:24:45
  Was that you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:48
  I was streaking that night. I knew it.
• 1:24:51
  I knew it. I heard about a hairy Wildman
• 1:24:54
  running naked across across the purple hair.
• 1:24:57
  Purple. Hair.
• 1:25:00
  The thing is. The thing is though, I'm
• 1:25:03
  different in person than I am here online with just talking
• 1:25:06
  with you. Like I didn't hardly talked with
• 1:25:08
  you even at Shadowmoot just. Well, there was a lot of other
• 1:25:11
  things going on there too. You were drumming, you were
• 1:25:13
  playing the toggle harp, you know what I mean?
• 1:25:15
  Like you were you? Were I was trying to
• 1:25:17
  respectfully give you your space because you had people that you
• 1:25:20
  know longer than I have, so you need to give them more attention
• 1:25:24
  than me, you know, I'm just a guest, you know?
• 1:25:29
  And you were an honoured guest. It was great having you.
• 1:25:31
  And I know, I know that when, when there's other things going
• 1:25:34
  on in the area, you I'm sure, you know, when they're, when
• 1:25:37
  they're public, I'll definitely make sure you know about it.
• 1:25:39
  Because if you can't make it and you want to bring your
• 1:25:42
  instruments and and have that element there, that was so much
• 1:25:45
  fun, you know, hearing that sound and, and those sounds at
• 1:25:49
  an event. For the day.
• 1:25:50
  I'm hoping one day we could actually get the share of fire
• 1:25:53
  together though. We'll make it happen.
• 1:25:55
  We got to make. It happen, especially if we
• 1:25:58
  could get the shadow boots to last a little bit longer again
• 1:26:01
  like they once did. Yeah, I think yeah, I don't know
• 1:26:06
  what what this year's plans are with them, but I do know that
• 1:26:09
  they hope to have a a more camp worthy space on on on some
• 1:26:16
  private property to to hopefully do it again remains to be seen.
• 1:26:20
  We'll we'll keep our fingers across this so but.
• 1:26:23
  But maybe we'll maybe we'll get the drum together to get, you
• 1:26:27
  know, get around the fire to talk.
• 1:26:29
  But yeah, but again, go with the bait.
• 1:26:34
  Go with the bait here and stuff. Explain that it's a little bit
• 1:26:37
  more simpler than just saying you know, sometimes you know
• 1:26:45
  it's. Well, it's a it's a term that
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  it's just spirit, you know? Yeah, spirit.
• 1:26:51
  So you call it landvitir land spirit, you know, fisvitir house
• 1:26:55
  spirit, fialvitir mountain spirit, right.
• 1:26:59
  So it's just the veitir means spirit but.
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  It's the native. Word that doesn't, you know, you
• 1:27:04
  say spirit people think, oh, spooky ghost or something like,
• 1:27:07
  no, it's, it's the living force of the, the landscape, you know.
• 1:27:12
  But when I go into the, when I go into the hierarchy of
• 1:27:15
  spirits, that's when people go, oh, wow.
• 1:27:19
  You know, it's like I was sitting there like explaining
• 1:27:22
  like, oh, the tree has a spirit, but it also has this little
• 1:27:26
  ecosystem in that tree, which has a bunch of spirits as well,
• 1:27:30
  you know? Oh yeah.
• 1:27:32
  Then you have the spirit of this area of the woods, and then you
• 1:27:36
  have the whole woods itself that has a spirit that governs like
• 1:27:40
  you have a spirit, you have a spirit of the lake.
• 1:27:44
  The river, you know, the mountain, the yeah, the
• 1:27:48
  landscape. And what's interesting that
• 1:27:50
  we're talking about this now as we kind of get close towards the
• 1:27:52
  end, you know, last week's episode was with a field
• 1:27:57
  scientist who's heathen. And his life is, you know, his
• 1:28:02
  livelihood, His, his, his, his career is spent connecting with
• 1:28:08
  the land spirits, you know, sacred ecology.
• 1:28:10
  That's it. You know, he he gets a chance to
• 1:28:14
  be in their presence day in and day out.
• 1:28:18
  You speak with them and to try to understand what is it that
• 1:28:20
  you need? You know, why is the farmland
• 1:28:23
  not doing this or that, right? You know, let's let's bring you
• 1:28:26
  back to health. Let's nurture you back to
• 1:28:28
  health. Let's give back to you just so
• 1:28:29
  you can revert back to your natural life knowing all of
• 1:28:33
  this. And yeah, so, so veytir when you
• 1:28:36
  talk to other people and have you have you have you had
• 1:28:38
  conversations with people who don't know what vaitier are?
• 1:28:41
  And then you explain and they go, oh, you mean the whites or
• 1:28:45
  you mean the the the the fae folk or, you know, like there's
• 1:28:49
  different I have. Several I have several times,
• 1:28:51
  especially in the same area where we've been talking about
• 1:28:57
  Weird and Megan and Main and everything same area of of the
• 1:29:01
  town that I live in. It's kind of hard.
• 1:29:05
  Like these people are so eclectic, though.
• 1:29:06
  They're open and accepting of it, but they just don't under
• 1:29:10
  they don't understand, but they keep asking me like, oh, what's
• 1:29:12
  that? You know, like it's not like,
• 1:29:14
  oh, like chastising, you know, it's more like a sense of
• 1:29:19
  wonderment. Like a like people I talk to,
• 1:29:22
  when I talk to about this, they're like children whenever I
• 1:29:26
  talk to them about it. Yeah, the fascination, right?
• 1:29:30
  Yeah, the wonderment and stuff. It's like telling stories and
• 1:29:32
  stuff. Oh.
• 1:29:34
  Cool. Which Speaking of stories, I
• 1:29:36
  need to start living to my name, though being a being a skull
• 1:29:40
  that works. I need to Start learning how to
• 1:29:42
  write lyrics. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:46
  Lyrics, which I decided to keep the name for right now because
• 1:29:51
  it would be too much. Just going on disrecute and
• 1:29:54
  doing another renaming it. Yeah, write some, write some
• 1:29:58
  stories. You know, what would be what
• 1:30:00
  would be really interesting is if you could ever like connect
• 1:30:06
  with other groups, whether they're kindred tribe or, or or
• 1:30:10
  or whatever. And maybe they have a story, you
• 1:30:16
  know, folklore of their own tribe and then you can help
• 1:30:21
  write a song to tell that story. It'll probably have to be an
• 1:30:25
  English, I just. I don't do well at Old Norse.
• 1:30:28
  Well, who? Who?
• 1:30:29
  Yeah, I mean like. I can pronounce it, I can
• 1:30:33
  pronounce it, but I can't translate it too well.
• 1:30:36
  Yeah, yeah, me either. You know, I've, I've heard
• 1:30:39
  enough of it. It's probably, I could maybe
• 1:30:41
  pronounce it well enough. Maybe.
• 1:30:43
  I go I go online and stuff. I look up several dictionaries
• 1:30:46
  and see which one's the common word or something, you know?
• 1:30:51
  But the 2-2 words together, it's kind of hard for me, like
• 1:30:55
  because they didn't have the type of adjectives that we had,
• 1:30:58
  you know? Well, yeah, I mean, and that and
• 1:31:02
  it's, you know, it's, it is a, it is a dead language by all
• 1:31:05
  intents and purposes. It's, it's a reconstructed
• 1:31:07
  language. So you know how it sounded.
• 1:31:09
  We're we're reconstructing it based on certain things.
• 1:31:13
  But so, yeah, reconstruct. Like, try to pick names for
• 1:31:19
  things they like. Even for my drums, you know, I
• 1:31:23
  had to rethink. I I haven't wrote rethought.
• 1:31:26
  Yeah, rethinked with my name, my drums, you know, I still call
• 1:31:30
  them by that, by those names, you know, like for instance, my
• 1:31:35
  big one here, I call it Ikaloca, which means Oak Stream put
• 1:31:43
  together because that's what came to me in the journey that
• 1:31:47
  we did when I first made made him.
• 1:31:52
  Oak Stream, Nice. Yeah.
• 1:31:54
  And then the small one is Smardinia or or however you say
• 1:32:01
  it. It means little Thunder because
• 1:32:06
  it was when I first got it was like massive, like how loud it
• 1:32:10
  was for a little drum that size. You OK?
• 1:32:22
  Oh, I think we lost him again. We're back.
• 1:32:28
  OK, yeah, and you're frozen again.
• 1:32:39
  I am the host now. Well, ha ha ha, Blake.
• 1:32:49
  You're not the host. Actually, ladies and gentlemen,
• 1:32:54
  this was a great show. It was a technically or, you
• 1:33:01
  know, technology was, was was being very fickle.
• 1:33:06
  It was it was it was being difficult for this week's
• 1:33:09
  episode. But Needless to say, Blake and I
• 1:33:14
  kind of finished the episode talking about the Bates here.
• 1:33:21
  I had a great time talking with Blake.
• 1:33:22
  I'd like to have him back on the show.
• 1:33:23
  So he will be returning for another episode later on in
• 1:33:27
  season 6 to pick up on kind of where we left off and, you know,
• 1:33:34
  talk about other things. But due to technical.
• 1:33:37
  Issues the that last part where where he says I'm the host now
• 1:33:42
  MO ha ha ha. That's kind of where things fell
• 1:33:45
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• 1:33:48
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• 1:33:52
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• 1:33:55
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• 1:33:59
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• 1:34:18
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