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The ever-twisting challenges of the US-Israeli war on Iran · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Good day.
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  Welcome to the Midday Report on the America Out Loud News Talk Radio Network, the countermomentum of spin.
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  I am your host, Dr.
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  Franco Musio.
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  To our friends listening in the United States and around the world, well, I start most of the broadcast like this.
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  There clearly is no lack of hard news items to keep our adrenaline going.
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  And I would add more additional as a physician, additional hormones coming out of our adrenal glands in addition to adrenaline.
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  But our aim, though, is to dissect out the nuances and underlying causes and foundations of the events with which we are we come into contact with now, continuously, and always, always.
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  Today's show.
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  Quote, the ever-twisting challenges of the U.S.
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  Israeli war on Iran, past and present.
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  So as a foundation background, uh first, let's start with a retrospective look.
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  Let's trace the evolution to the current war.
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  And the indecision making, I often say, uh, and trying to grasp a situation, however complex.
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  And this one is not easy, obviously.
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  It's very complex.
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  We need to start with the roots.
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  Then we go up the roots of the plant and to the flower or to the whatever it is there.
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  I I would make the contention in this case that it is a weed, we were trying to figure out.
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  So in 1979, let's start with this.
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  The Iranian revolution.
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  Um it toppled the Pallavi monarchy and established the world's first modern theocratic republic.
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  This is what we're contending with.
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  And it was a it was fueled the whole uprising by a complex merging of political, economic, cultural, religious disputes.
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  You have the Shah, uh, Muhammad Reza Pala V.
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  Uh, he was reinstated, by the way, in 1953 by our CIA, uh, RCIA back coup actually, uh initiating what's called a what was called a white revolution in 1963.
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  The focus of that was rapid modernization, and that clashed, of course, with traditional Shia Islamic values and and alienated big time.
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  The religious establishment.
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  Why was it called the white revolution?
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  Well, theoretically or supposedly there was no blood.
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  Uh there was no blood shed there, but actually that wasn't true.
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  Um, so what happened is uh there was imprisonment, there was torture, there was murder uh with that particular dictatorship, the Pallavy dictatorship and Ayatollah, uh the first one, Khomeini, who was in exile in Paris, uh, he had merged as the unifying force that led to the collapse of the Pallavy dynasty in February 1979, and others would conjecture that it was Paris help uh, I'm sorry, France and the United States all had a hand in this.
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  So, moreover, Western nations um they really did not, we did not expect the subsequent aftermaths of a theocracy, clearly, clearly sponsoring multiple terrorist groups, threatening to destabilize the Middle East with nuclear weapons, uh and other weapons, and they're clearly doing that now, and the killing of thousands and thousands of their own citizen protesters.
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  So, let's start with the Iranian uh the most recent Iranian nuclear deal.
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  It was reached in July.
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  We'll start with this, July 2015.
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  It's officially known as the joint comprehensive plan of action.
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  So the acronym JCPOA.
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  It was signed under President Obama, the United States, and and later uh President Trump took us out of it for clearly obvious reasons, and I will tell you why in a minute.
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  So the details of it are interesting.
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  The the five permanent members of the United States, uh the UN, I'm sorry, United Nations Security Council, US, UK, France, China, Russia, uh, plus Germany and the EU.
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  So it was referred to as P5 plus one, the plus one is Germany.
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  So the goal was to obviously limit Iran's nuclear program, specifically reducing uranium stockpiles.
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  We've heard those words over and over and over, and enriching only up to 3.67% in exchange for sanctions relief.
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  Now, interesting.
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  Our last show shows before that.
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  We talked about the underground economy of Iran.
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  But nonetheless, the uh the overt, if you will, licit, not illicit, licit economy really suffered significantly with with ongoing sanctions over and over.
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  So the IAEA, the International Atomic Energy Agency was tasked with monitoring compliance.
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  It was signed July 14th, 2015 and implemented January 16th, 2016.
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  And for the most part, I read this and read this and read this.
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  For the most part, with some a couple very, very minor exceptions.
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  Uh Iran was compliant.
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  Iran was compliant.
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  And and that was never protested, actually, by the United States.
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  It never was.
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  But President Trump announced that we would uh withdraw from the joint comprehensive the JC POA.
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  Um and also it's known as the Iranian nuclear deal on May 8th, 2018.
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  He described it as quote, disastrous one-sided, defective uh defective agreement that failed to serve American national security interests.
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  And in fact, I personally have to agree with that.
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  These are the reasons he said, the sunset provisions.
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  So sunset provisions and the sunset provisions really, really don't pass the smell test.
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  Um, meaning that uh Trump argued that the deal was flawed because there were the restrictions on uranium and enhancement or enrichment and centrifuge production were temporary, were not permanent, and would expire.
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  They they would have expired within four years from now, uh 2030, leaving Iran with the future pathway to nuclear weapons.
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  Well, that's pretty uh pretty obvious uh that you you do things for the for the long term.
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  Um, but anyway, yeah, that was one.
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  Uh the second was the lack of missile program restrictions.
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  Uh so his major another major reason was that uh JCPOA did not address Iran's development and testing of ballistic missiles.
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  So um the ballistic missiles we're looking at now.
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  So he claimed uh uh uh Trump claimed that it allowed Iran to continue developing weapons delivery systems, and and that's for sure, for sure correct.
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  Um support for regional militancy.
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  He maintained that the sanctioned relief provided by the deal gave the Iranian regime or would give and had for a little while, a windfall of cash, sometimes referred to as billions, and it was billions.
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  Uh no problem.
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  They had billions anyway that were stolen, but anyway, um, but they were used to to fund malignant uh malign activities, and of course, their terrorist proxies across the Middle East, Hasbollah Hamas, Houthis in Yemen, rather than helping their own people.
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  That's very, very true.
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  And bad faith uh with secret nuclear activities.
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  So he was citing intelligence presented by Israel, no better than Israel, that uh uh Iran had lied about its past nuclear weapon efforts, and can you continue to preserve a secret nuclear archive, suggesting they negotiated in bad faith.
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  Uh, and not entirely abandoned their nuclear ambitions.
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  So again, we're dealing with 2016 to 2018 and weak inspection mechanism.
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  So the administration argued that the agreement did not provide strong enough or unqualified access for inspectors to verify Iran's compliance, particularly regarding military sites.
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  That is 10 and 50% true.
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  Um, so ultimately, ultimately, Trump framed the withdrawal as necessary and to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, arguing that the agreement was uh he said uh decaving and rotten, and that maximum leverage should be used to force a new more comprehensive deal.
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  That that is the background.
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  So, what's happened since then?
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  What happened since then?
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  A lot.
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  A lot happened since then.
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  So we pulled out, but the JCPOA was still intact.
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  So Iran started breaking the their limits set by the deal uh starting in 2019.
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  So basically less than a year after we pulled out.
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  Um what happened was they went crazy, so to speak.
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  So they increased their uranium enrichment from 3.67% cap set by the agreement to 4.5% in July.
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  2019.
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  Then, two years later, year and a half later, January 2021, Iran began began uh enriching to 20%.
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  And by April 2021, April, so you were dealing with three months afterwards, it reached 60% enrichment, which is not far.
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  It actually takes very little to go from 6061 to 90 or over, which is the threshold for nuclear grade material.
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  Um stockpile growth by November 2020, Iran's stockpile of low-enrich uranium was was roughly 12 times higher than the limit permitted under the uh JCPOA agreement.
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  And by 2025, a year ago, the stockpile of 60% highly enriched uranium exceeded 400 kilograms.
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  So this preciged our, of course, our attack, midnight hammer.
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  They had advanced centrifuges, they started installing and using advanced centrifuges, such as IR4, IR6 uh to enrich uranium significantly.
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  These centrifuges are significantly faster than the first generation IR1 machines.
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  They were increased their own proximity to a weapon.
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  And my, you know, we've heard different different types of time frames.
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  Uh in fact, that they were months away from it.
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  Um, suspension of inf inspections, 2021, Iran, uh complying with the additional protocol part of the agreement.
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  So, providing that the IAEA would have greater access, they said, hell no.
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  So, so what happened?
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  What happened is just a progression into bad things, uh a progression into uh deterioration.
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  So they continued their advances from 2021 and onward, uh, consistently maintaining that the program is peaceful and that its violations uh are reversible if Schenck sanctions are were to be lifted.
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  Now, we're gonna get into this in a little bit in the next segment.
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  Can you believe them?
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  Absolutely not.
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  Absolutely no.
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  Um the most recent negotiations.
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  There were three indirect negotiations, one in Oman, two in Geneva, that led straight up to our uh the Israeli uh and American attack.
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  So they were uh they failed, of course.
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  Uh they were uh incompatible, there they were a combination of incompatible red lines.
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  Uh so a breakdown of trust.
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  There was never trust, by the way, in the very beginning, but by both sides.
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  Uh and of course, it it just precipitated, precipitated the military conflict.
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  We started in Oman, and uh so basically the key reasons for the failure are this incompatible enrichment demands.
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  Trump administration insisted on zero zero enrichment, requiring Iran to dismantle its nuclear infrastructure, transfer all enriched uranium out of the country.
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  So they said no, this is an assault on their own dignity.
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  Okay, uh and their national uh sovereignty, they're maintaining the right to peaceful nuclear energy and domestic enrichment.
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  Well, if we trusted these people, then yeah, they're right, but but no, they're completely wrong.
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  This but this is from their side.
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  So the U.S.
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  and Israel pushed for uh a maximalist agreement that it it included included limits on their ballistic missile programs, plus their support for regional proxies, which has created for Israel constant headaches.
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  Uh Iran, on the other hand, no, they wanted a narrow focus on their nuclear, just the nuclear program, effectively seeking a return of the uh 2015 JCPOA terms.
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  They did not want to have anything to do with regulation on uh or restriction on their proxies, nor on their delivery systems, their missiles.
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  So was there mistrust?
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  Absolutely.
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  Actually, some analysis said that from our standpoint, we lack technical expertise and preparation, our negotiating team, Steve Whitkoff and uh the president's son-in-law.
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  I don't think that's a valid.
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  I don't think that's a valid argument at all.
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  Uh, because uh really what happened is and there was a subterfuge, it really was for Iran to have more time, developed that they knew that we were uh we were amassing a huge, huge strike force and military brinkmanship.
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  Well, there was a backdrop of what I was just saying of what the U.S.
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  was accumulating.
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  Um now, a pro-American stance of all of this, a pro-American stance, why they failed, is very obvious.
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  So we we talked about this, the inadequate inspection and verification mechanisms of the IA.
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  Uh the sunset clauses and future nuclear capabilities.
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  So uh primary concern was that uh there was no restrictions, uh, and this was temporary.
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  Uh in other words, no restrictions afterwards, after whatever the time period would be.
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  So the sunset provisions um were set to expire, set to expire at least what they wanted in 2030.
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  Now, the 2025-2030.
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  This was the original uh JC, oh, here we go, the JCPOA agreement.
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  But Iran wanted a kind of a second one, if you will.
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  They wanted uh they they did not want or they wanted a sunset clause, but that's what they wanted.
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  And they said, well, our ballistic missile program, nope, can't touch that.
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  We want that.
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  The the regional proxies, nope, we love our regional proxies.
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  We want we want them, we're gonna continue to fund them, be it licit or illicit, of course, most of it is illicit, and and good faith.
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  So pro-American analysis uh and and pro-Western analysis, actually, uh with the Iranian leadership uh saying death to America, where the Brit Big Satan, the large Satan, Israel is the little Satan.
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  You know, you have to laugh.
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  You have to laugh.
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  And and you know, if you look at the background of the hostages that we had in 1979 with the revolution, with their continuously, continuously lying, lying.
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  Again, we'll get to that in just a moment, and violation of past nuclear commit commitments.
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  We we talked about 2015, but there were others prior to that, and there were secret nuclear documents, they were called the nuclear archive, and convinced many in the US and in the West that Iran was not complying with any commitment at all.
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  Uh and continued uh uh illicitly to they didn't follow the spirit of the letter uh e of the negotiations, even though overtly it looks like they did, um covertly, they did not.
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  And the rest is history.
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  The the diplomatic window closed on February 28th when the US and Israel launched large-scale air strikes against Iran.
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  So, hold tight.
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  On the flip side, we're gonna talk about some psychological components of this.
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  So I I wanted to kind of uh to set the not find it, but to set the stage as objectively as possible, leading up to the war in terms of the negotiations.
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  But this segment, I'd like to call speak about the cultural underpinnings of us.
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  Americans and also the Iranians.
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  Now, this is an interesting topic because the Iranian regime, be it the uh the theocracy, which is still somewhat very, very, very shaky in place as per this uh this airing, uh, but uh now the majority of the population is actually below the age of 35.
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  I want to say uh 62 percent or so of the population is and and they're not espousing what I'm about to say.
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  Unfortunately, they were born into that uh that hellhole of uh of a theocracy.
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  But uh if you noticed what uh what again, what we did, Operation Midnight Hammer, and I wrote an article right after that, uh, and I called it the cultural underpinnings of the United States calling Iran's bluff.
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  And and a lot of this is still applicable to what is going on, what went on with our our recent negotiations and what's going on this moment.
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  So I will argue, I will argue that you cannot trust this regime.
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  You cannot trust this culture.
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  So I've been privy to a great deal of information and experience regarding the Iranian culture, particularly my wife's uh departure from the country in 1978.
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  She had just turned 13, uh, and it was just prior to the uprising, led to really a bloody, bloody revolution against the Shah.
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  I'm eager to share this perspective on the issues that uh that have saturated now our senses over the past months and months and months, and particularly now.
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  Now, it's common knowledge per our tireless envoys and those involved in Middle Eastern diplomacy, not only Stephen Whitkoff and Jared Kushner, but but many others, that the interactions with the Iranian regime and their representatives have been fraught, fraught with deceptions, evasive techniques, errant lies.
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  I take a look, take a look just uh a week ago, two weeks ago.
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  The foreign minister of Iran, he has not been killed yet.
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  Is he the mouthpiece for the regime?
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  I don't know.
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  I I think they're there's no central, if you will, mouthpiece, there's no central, and they're all over the place.
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  But anyway, he said we we apologize, we apologize to our Gulf neighbors for our attacks on the Gulf, and uh won't do it again.
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  That just as he was speaking, and right after that, they continued to uh to send missiles to send drones and missiles, uh, the Gulf neighbors, you know, the UAE, uh you name it, Qatar, um Saudi Arabia and such.
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  So they're lying, they're lying, and they're lying to each other, by the way, within within that regime.
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  They lie to each other.
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  So there have been many proposed rationales for this behavior.
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  Um is kind of strung along our negotiators from the past uh and present, and including uh the other nations for many years, uh, particularly prior to President Trump's order to carry out Operation Midnight Hammer during the the early morning hours of June 21st, last year, 2025, uh Tehran local time.
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  So the multitude, multitude of longstanding deflections, I would call it that, installing techniques by the Iranians, uh their government has allowed for a significant amount of time required for the assemblage for sure of the nuclear infrastructure, and led to their enrichment of uranium to at least 60 percent, we talked about, and that's per the Vienna-based Vienna Austria-based Global Watchdog International Atomic Energy Agency, IA.
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  In fact, the same organization found uranium particles enriched to 83.7% purity in an Iranian nuclear facility in 2023.
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  So, what about that?
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  Uh that blatantly, blatantly defied the joint uh comprehensive plan of action.
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  We talked about the JCPOA between Iran and the P5 plus one, 600 nations that were adopted, was adopted, of course, October 18, 2015.
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  And so prior to the timely and overwhelmingly needed intervention, initial intervention, initial midnight hammer, the Iranian nuclear program was kind of kind of they they were just steps away from its richment of uranium enrichment of uranium to 90% or more.
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  So the global self-evident question has been raised uh as to the rationale behind their dishonoring of the agreement, um uh itself, the sign, they signed themselves in the regime's relentless question uh attainment of uranium purified close to 20 times the agreed upon limits.
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  It doesn't take a scholar to figure this one out.
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  I'll approach this problem in a couple of ways.
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  So, from an angle not often really not often highlighted, the cultural divergence between Iran and the West.
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  And there are many, many significant differences between the two.
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  Although, for purposes of this particular discussion, please indulge me in their the distillation.
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  I want to say three separate precepts.
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  Um, number one, the non-linearity of Iranian reasoning.
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  American, a Western inductive and deductive reasoning, it's based on linear and pragmatic pattern, simply depicted like this: A, B, C, D, E, you know, in a line, linearly, going to a result and a conclusion.
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  So that in essence, this problem solving is devoid of perversions of thought, requiring second guessing, second guessing, preemptions, forestalling, interceptions, etc.
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  This is what they do.
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  So each achieved step is contingent upon its preceding step, and uh thus responsible for its proceeding step in a chain-like dependency.
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  But on the other hand, the Iranian problem-solving paradigm, and to a larger degree, Middle Eastern in general, uh and well-rooted throughout their history, is depicted in another way.
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  It's all over the place.
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  So meaning you got A going to B, well, no, before that, it goes to C, and then it goes to D somewhere else, and it goes backwards to E, all over the place, and not on a linear line line.
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  Uh it goes into uh two-dimensional uh uh square or rectangle.
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  It's just all over, and ultimately goes to the conclusion, and then the conclusion isn't even based on the prior steps.
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  So this is disharmony, it's disruption and no semblance of problem solving based upon practicality and reason.
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  So it's non-pragmatic, it's a non-pragmatic, huge injection, also of overriding emotional components, and these components consist of mistrust, doubt, suspicion, areas, uh, aspects of paranoia by the Iranians, and one can begin to appreciate the immense challenges.
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  Uh our negotiators, our honored negotiators, have faced in diplomatic activities.
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  And um with representatives of this theocracy, not only our negotiators, but negotiators from multiple other nations.
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  So the complexities of the Iranian culture.
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  Is it complex?
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  Oh my god.
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  Oh my god.
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  Read my lips.
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  Well, you can't see them, but you can imagine.
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  Yes, they are deceits, evasive taxi, tactics, aren't lies, mentioned I mentioned at the onset, and and we know this.
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  Trump knows this, and the negotiators know this.
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  Um they're not the only means employed by the Iranian negotiators.
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  Uh uh, there are many, many other means in allowing for time.
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  Time for what?
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  Well, for progressive enrichment of uranium, and you know, uh not enrichment, but development of the uh vehicles, meaning the missiles that would put the nuclear warheads uh at its tip.
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  Um, but these machinations are deeply rooted in their culture, in their culture.
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  And again, I mentioned the 30% uh um, oh, I'm sorry, 62% below the age of 35, that they don't particularly ascribe to this.
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  No, but but their theocracy does.
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  So there's a social principle called tarothing, T-A-A-R-O-F.
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  It's the characterization of incerity, such as making promises not meant to be kept or offering false praises.
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  So it's been theorized that this practice has been historically linked.
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  It's been historically linked to the Shiites throughout centuries as a means to possibly protect their property, honoring themselves from persecution.
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  They
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  Use these uh these means, which is basically lying.
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  So, although deceit and prevarication is seen among all cultures, that's for sure.
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  I don't think we in America are uh bereft of that.
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  We have um, but it's very, very deeply rooted in Persian culture.
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  Uh and patently, patently demonstrated by the scores of Iranian representatives throughout the years in protracted dialogues with America, uh, American and Western negotiators.
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  It merely adds fuel to the fire, so to speak, in our skepticism regarding successful diplomatic outcomes, uh in terms of relationships and um discussions with this country.
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  So, as we described above from the prism of Iranian culture, now their enigmatic problem solving processes, which I mentioned was uh all over the place, and and converge, converge with emotion and and often arrogance.
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  And in fact, they said that to Steve Witkoff.
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  And then he came on on air and mentioned that to the president, not on air, off air, but then everyone else, that look, they were they were boasting as to how close they were to enrichment and how much uranium they actually had.
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  Well, that that's not a way of the negotiating from their side, you know?
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  They're fools, they really, really are fools.
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  And and arrogance will lead to uh, well, it'll lead to what happened to them.
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  I think they learn.
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  Um, and and there's a very, very fine and I I want to tell you, they're very fine, they're very honorable Iranian citizens.
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  My wife, um, but now she's citizen, of course, and for many years of the United States.
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  Uh as a physician, I deal with many Iranian physicians.
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  They're they're wonderful people.
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  But the the imprinting of the negative aspects of their culture, that they realize this, and it's showcased amidst these formal negotiations.
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  And and they're not, they're not pro-Iranian in any way, neither are the citizens of Iran.
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  So, how about the hypocrisy there?
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  So, so the prism of Iranian culture, their enigmatic problem solving processes.
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  They, as I said, all of their um all of their screwed up mechanisms or problem solving, if you will.
• 32:34
  Uh it's just look what happened.
• 32:38
  And being wary of their own government.
• 32:41
  So, not only that, the government officials are wary of each other, and now with our invasion, uh they're even more wary of each other.
• 32:50
  So, who's the informant?
• 32:52
  Who is uh the person next to me?
• 32:55
  Are they really genuine in terms of Iranian and theocracy and such, or are they informants from the uh Mossad uh and being paid?
• 33:07
  Well, now in their economy, which is just shattered.
• 33:13
  Many that's really a uh oh uh a carrot, a big carrot, for many of them to share information with the Mossad and us, the CIA.
• 33:27
  So, you know, they're adding that their distrust for others is multiplied with their distrust of each other.
• 33:37
  So that adds even more layers of complexity and frustration with them and us with them.
• 33:47
  So do you see the background?
• 33:50
  It's incredible.
• 33:52
  Now that goes along, juxtaposed with their sense of ego.
• 33:57
  And you've seen this.
• 33:59
  Their sense of ego is way out of proportion.
• 34:04
  And why in God's name do they do that?
• 34:07
  Well, could it be based in history?
• 34:09
  So a tenant, deeply embedded in their culture is their, but I said their overinstalled sense of ego.
• 34:16
  So just juxtaposed to ego is the sense of honor, honor.
• 34:21
  So this is demonstrated by the Japanese, kamikaze pilots of World War II with their suicide missions, uh, thought to bring ultimate homage to the Japanese empire and of course themselves.
• 34:35
  Well, the Iranians are a little different.
• 34:36
  The Islamists are a little bit different.
• 34:38
  If they die uh for the sake of of Iran or Islamic theology or Islamic precepts, while they have like 20,000 or 30,000 virgins waiting for them, something like that.
• 34:52
  Something absolutely preposterous.
• 34:55
  But but in para I have to laugh.
• 34:58
  But so in a parallel fashion, the intense emotions circulating around ego and honor are also embedded in this culture as kind of a handoff from earlier centuries.
• 35:10
  So uh interspurers with these traits from the Ayatollah, the initial, so I had told the second Ayatollah, Khomeini.
• 35:17
  Now he's he's with all the virgins, um, and his son, who God only knows if he's alive, the the mini Ayatollah, but the reports are all over Western media that, or he may be in Russia, by the way.
• 35:34
  But he's um he's launching after his male, his male nurses, uh, because ultimately he's gay, which is is fine, but he's making a show of this, and particularly the hypocrisy that they kill all gays there.
• 35:49
  Anyway, anyway, uh what a screwed-up situation.
• 35:53
  That's all I can say.
• 35:54
  But anyway, from the Ayatollah or whoever the Ayatollah is now, the mini Ayatollah to his advisors, the mullahs, the military.
• 36:01
  And by the way, the army, the army is huge, and is separate from the IRGC, the Islamic uh revolution uh guard corps, separate from the military.
• 36:14
  And then their own negotiators.
• 36:16
  It primes the hopes for any valuable interchange uh between Iran and the the U.S.
• 36:22
  and the West.
• 36:22
  And being a charade, charaded best.
• 36:25
  So a healthy sense of self, striving for the best, uh, the best for the country one represents and the maintenance of a balanced uh uh compromise with honest and reasonable demands are the key to success in any formal discussion for both parties.
• 36:44
  But but their own self-aggrandizement, uh, their theocracy, their their supreme leader, their mini supreme leader, they're trickling down to the officials, not served them well in this domain.
• 36:56
  So psychological and psychiatric studies, of course, have corroborated that an exaggerated ego is a manifestation of deep-seated insecurity.
• 37:06
  That's pretty clear, and it's become progressively element, uh evident, I should say, in the displays of their ill intent.
• 37:14
  So I've been privileged to work with individuals uh from Iran who are highly, highly praiseworthy and respectful.
• 37:23
  They don't believe in any of this garbage.
• 37:25
  Uh, they themselves agree with my assessments, and they're at extreme variance with the Iranian culture, and hopefully we will capitalize on this for uh a definitive change in the regime.
• 37:38
  Uh, we'll have to wait and see what happens.
• 37:41
  So please stay tight.
• 37:44
  We're going to talk about the psychological mechanisms of terrorists, uh, neuroterrorists, uh the neuropathology and dictators, and especially in this particular case, and what the psychological impacts are on that poor country.
• 37:58
  So hold tight.
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  So my practice is in the fields of nephrology, which is kidney disease and internal medicine.
• 39:56
  But I've always been a student, and I think many of us have.
• 40:00
  Of human behavior, there have been perverse acts, perverse, very perverse, committed by human beings throughout history of mankind, including this moment, with no reticence in our modern day world.
• 40:13
  Why?
• 40:14
  Well, is there a nature versus nurture equation, meaning uh genetic equation versus something that comes learned or genetic uh component, so underlying this hideous behavior and activities.
• 40:28
  So we have seen time and time again, the and and again what we're looking at leading up to the war is the world of Hamas, Hezbollah, uh ISIS in the past, of course, Al-Qaeda, of course, the Houthis, and we could have some degree of understanding, maybe uh by delving into the neurosciences of rack radicalization and terrorism, and I would put the Ayatollahs and the Visa Ayatollah, many Ayatollahs, all those people in the same uh the same bucket.
• 41:04
  So these uh heinous crimes, such as murders, murders committed by illegal aliens in the United States, and those at the hand also the hands of non-illegal American citizens, uh they all share possibly biological foundations.
• 41:22
  And uh as intimated by me right now, uh it's supported by multiple studies.
• 41:28
  Dictators may also join the ranks of these dregs of global society uh in this sociopathic behavior, going into uh overt, horrible criminal behavior.
• 41:39
  But recent up-to-date research, it elaborates on neural pathways uh brain, as well as possible learned characteristic, unique characteristics, plural, unique to this group of individuals, and um continuing the age-old uh contention of nature versus nurture as foundations for human behavior.
• 42:01
  So, two integral terms I I want to talk about, radicalization being one.
• 42:05
  Ryan Hunter, he was an author in previous intelligence uh is sorry, and previous intelligence FBI analysts uh in a perspective piece, 2011, referred to as the influence driving Islamic terrorists as quote, the process by which individuals come to believe their engagement in or facilitation of non state violence to achieve social and political change is necessary and justified, end of quote.
• 42:34
  And the second term, political extremism.
• 42:36
  So Professor Peter Newman from King's College, London, describes this term in a book in 2009 entitled Old and New Terrorism, as quote, political ideologies and methods that opposes a society's core values and principles, and show disregard to the life liberty and human rights of others, uh, and support the murder of ordinary people to advance their extremist ideological objectives, end of quote.
• 43:06
  So the nature variable, the genetic or neurologic variable, our brains are more complex than any technology to include AI, AI powered tools.
• 43:17
  And a growing literature and articles and studies are now focusing on the circuitry between the prefrontal cortex, located right at the front, very front of our brain, and the limbic system, which is located in nearly the bottom of the brain.
• 43:32
  Anatomically, the prefrontal cortex is divided into three parts.
• 43:36
  You have lateral, right and left side, yeah, medial, the midline, and orbital frontal behind the eyes.
• 43:42
  The limbic system includes the limbic system, follow me here, the olfactory bulb and others, hypothalamus, hypocampus, basal ganglia, chingulic gyrus, and such.
• 43:54
  So there's all this interesting, interesting circuitry, connections between the amygdala of the limbic system, which is associated with emotional processing, like fear, anxiety, conditioning, aggression to the orbital frontal cortex or the prefrontal cortex.
• 44:14
  And um and it's conjectured that both the bottoms-up and top-down neuronal process exists.
• 44:22
  So you have a bottoms up paradigm evolving over active aggression in triggering mechanisms.
• 44:29
  You have a deantithesis, the opposites as well.
• 44:34
  So you have dysfunctional, you have imbalanced circuitry, which potentially underlies impulsive and aggressive behavior of terrorists and other criminals.
• 44:46
  So there were experiments that were done in Barcelona in 2019, there were seminal days on highly radicalized Pakistani men, particularly those uh supporting al-Qaeda and violence against the West and so forth.
• 45:00
  And they used a process, they use ultra-high technology, functional magnetic resonance, and so MRIs, which are um functional MRIs, that they took 38 subjects and they studied them.
• 45:14
  They were questioning their willingness to fight and die for their sacred and non-sacred values.
• 45:19
  Now, clearly they're brainwashed.
• 45:21
  I I'm telling you, they're brainwashed, but from very young age, but there's neurocircuitry that goes along with that, piggybacks on that brainwashing.
• 45:29
  So in their willingness to fight and die for their quote unquote sacred values, that that there are different neural circuitries which are which they see being triggered.
• 45:43
  So there are also chemical possibilities of chemistry in all of this as well, neurohumoral or again chemical type bases, or or even genetics, they're finding uh a low activity variant of a gene, a monominoxidase a gene, particularly in those individuals with a childhood history of abuse, and and it appears that these patients or these individuals have a higher risk for impulsivity, aggression, and violence.
• 46:21
  And possibly, possibly, those who are the dictators and terrorists and such have this uh what's called a warrior gene, that the lay press had coined this as a warrior gene, applying to this particular variant, genetic variant, and due to its association with aggressive and risk-taking um activity.
• 46:43
  So now the nurture variable, the psychosocial components, what I mentioned about being brainwashed, yeah, prior to and during radicalization, there's clearly a process of socialization among terrorists.
• 46:58
  And as I said before, I put the Iranian regime right in the same category as terrorists, which they are.
• 47:05
  Um, but so there's a collective identity, if you will.
• 47:08
  Typically, there's a leader who is charismatic, or at least purported to be charismatic, uh, and manipulates common characteristics and behavioral features among his, it's usually a heave, his followers, such as resents, resentments, grief, dissatisfactions, ultimately, the trainees, if you will, of this collective identity, the trainees are guided to an external society in which they're indoctrinated to believe that the causes for life's frustrations, such as the West, um, must be the target of their attack.
• 47:46
  So this socialization is parallel, parallel to the experienced um to that experienced by street gangs in the United States and central and South America involved in urban street crime.
• 47:57
  A little different with the cartels.
• 47:59
  The cartels, they're in it for the money, and although they are terrorists, and it's called narco-terrorism.
• 48:06
  I don't know that they particularly fall into this this category.
• 48:10
  Oh, although they may, although they may, they're not, they're not good guys, and they murder just as well as the others.
• 48:16
  So other ingredients of this is mass media, talked about genetic predispositions, possibly, the stage of maturation of the brain.
• 48:26
  And if you look at the mean age of uh the September 11th, 911 911, 2001 terrorists was 24 years.
• 48:35
  Similar to that of a mean of 27 years among 125 members of the Islamic State, the jihadist umni jihadist militant group, charged by the U.S.
• 48:47
  Department of Justice in 2015 to be terrorist groups.
• 48:51
  So multiple studies corroborate the above, the mean age of terrorists in their mid-20s, although the leaders are just a few years older than them, marginally older at about 27.
• 49:02
  So the thought among many researchers is that as the brain matures, there's a fine-tuning, the fine-tuning, if you will, of um all sorts of neuronal pathways, and between regions of the brain, uh, regions of the brain discussed we said a little bit before, the amygdala to the orbital frontal portion of the prefrontal cortex, and an increase in firing of the opposite pathways.
• 49:27
  So, you know, uh a decrease in risk-taking criminal activity and radicalization behavior, may therefore be a byproduct of later on maturation of the brain.
• 49:38
  So terrorists may not have a mature brain and stay that way.
• 49:42
  Although they're very smart.
• 49:43
  They're very, you give them uh an IQ test, and they score very high typically.
• 49:50
  Now, getting into the dictators of modern times, near modern times, their psychopathology.
• 49:57
  Uh, there have been too many tyrants throughout history.
• 50:00
  To the present.
• 50:01
  Just to name a few.
• 50:02
  These will ring about.
• 50:04
  Very, we know this.
• 50:06
  Hitler out of Hitler, Stalin, Joseph Stalin, Malseitung, Benito Mussolini, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, Ho Chi Men, Cruz Shep, Kim Jong Il, and currently his son, Kim Jong Un, EDME, no more cadaver.
• 50:23
  He goes on and on, Saddam Hussein, the Ayatollah, who's dead now.
• 50:27
  So Khomeini, I'm sorry, the first, Khomeini, and then Khomeini afterwards, they're dead.
• 50:36
  And the son, who knows.
• 50:38
  So we'll familiar, we are familiar with their names, but the neurobiology underlying their atrocious activity.
• 50:47
  We likely elaborated that.
• 50:50
  But to our knowledge, these desperates say their umledge of these individuals only are based on informant reports.
• 50:59
  None of these people submitted to direct psychological profiling.
• 51:02
  And of course, uh, there are no brain scans or genetic data available.
• 51:07
  So I came across two of these people.
• 51:10
  Medical volunteer work in Africa in 1985.
• 51:13
  Joseph Mbutu, he was president of Zaire, uh, which is later named the Democratic Republic of Congo, Dutch Congo.
• 51:20
  And he he proclaimed himself Lord, Lord Mobudu, many other grandiose titles.
• 51:27
  Uh he was responsible for many deaths, many opposition party politicians and multitudes of individual citizens.
• 51:34
  Then you have Samuel Doe, the president of Liberia, the ex-president of Liberia.
• 51:39
  He was responsible for utter disregard for human rights and numerous deaths, murder of his whole cabinet.
• 51:45
  In fact, he filmed the murder of his whole cabinet for the night nightly Liberian news.
• 51:51
  Um he himself was then murdered.
• 51:55
  Um he was murdered uh by his heir, and also uh that too.
• 52:01
  You see how horrible this was.
• 52:03
  That too was also broadcasted in Liberian media.
• 52:07
  So sociopathic, psychopathic personality traits and profiles.
• 52:13
  Uh, they you know, they're everywhere, they're legion, but and these individuals have a uh a lot in common.
• 52:22
  They're manipulative, they lack remorse or guilt, they're impulsive, they're irresponsible, many of them pathological lying.
• 52:29
  They're either hypersexual or asexual.
• 52:34
  They're uh turns out the Vice Ayatollah, as I mentioned earlier, maybe gay, I don't know, malignant narcissism, sadism.
• 52:42
  They're impulsive, they're irresponsible, obviously irresponsible, pathologically lie, uh uh mention that, they're paranoid, they're sadist, grandiose.
• 52:55
  There are many common threats.
• 52:57
  So, so let's put a few of these together.
• 53:01
  The three major dictators with whom the U.S.
• 53:03
  is currently contending.
• 53:05
  So we have Vladimir Putin, we have Xi Jun Ping, and we have, I think the worst of them.
• 53:11
  Well, maybe actually they're all very bad, the Ayatollah Khomeini, and God bless his soul.
• 53:18
  I'm saying that, I'm saying it tongue-in-cheek.
• 53:21
  Um they're tyrants, their countries, uh, you know, such as the president of Minamar as well, uh, previously mentioned North Korean president, uh the Sudanese regime, uh, for purposes of of this talk here.
• 53:37
  Uh let's just review the first the first three.
• 53:40
  So Putin, he has lack of regret or remorse for the results of his decisions, that's pretty clear.
• 53:46
  He's an autocrat, he has antisocial behavior, such as having his large laboratory retriever.
• 53:52
  Well, here's one.
• 53:53
  I mean, there are quite a few.
• 53:54
  He entered the meeting between himself and previous chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkel, knowing, knowing that she had a fear of dogs.
• 54:04
  Uh, he poisons in prisons and ultimately murders those in opposition to him.
• 54:09
  Uh, you know, remember recently, uh Alexi the Valni, yeah.
• 54:14
  So Ji Jinping, he's antisocial, he's cunning, detail-oriented, he's an autocrat, responsible for many abuses of human rights, no tolerance, no tolerance for dissent.
• 54:25
  So the Ayatollah, the mini Ayatollah, I'm sure.
• 54:29
  Uh he himself, though, was jailed by uh by the Shah numerous times and endured physical and psychological torture.
• 54:37
  Um, Kumeini.
• 54:38
  Uh so with this background, he'll likely not compromise, or well, he didn't compromise with anyone, no tolerance, and his son, I'm sure would be the same thing.
• 54:48
  So, yeah, yeah, we're dealing with a lot of a lot of pathology here.
• 54:54
  And now, let me talk about the people.
• 54:56
  Let me talk about the theocracy.
• 54:59
  The theocracy, we all know this, it's terrible.
• 55:02
  Uh, they have very negative psychopathology that they well, you know that that that's uh redundant.
• 55:10
  No, no, that they have psychopathology, not negative, they have positive psychopathology.
• 55:16
  Uh, it's carried out characterized by systemic repression, state-sponsored violence, a culture of fear, used to maintain power.
• 55:25
  Um, it's defined ideologically by by creating kind of a brittle political environment.
• 55:32
  So you have systemic human rights violations.
• 55:35
  They have just systemic violence and including torture, rape of political prisoners, widespread arrest of dissidents, activists, journalists.
• 55:47
  They have general gender and sexual oppression, the regime enforces mandatory veiling, treats women, lower than second-class citizens, and persecutes the LGBTQ community, uh treating trans women as prostitutes, um, waging war against God.
• 56:05
  So the judiciary uses ideologic charges like spreading corruption on earth and waging war against God to justify executions and harsh penalties, targeting activists, religious minorities.
• 56:18
  Well, thank you so much for listening.
• 56:20
  Uh, we'll stop it right here.
• 56:22
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• 56:33
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• 56:50
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