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Super Bowl Picks with Cynthia Frelund + Hall of Fame Snubs · Best of the NFL Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Daily, where we're picking games for
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  Speaker 1: the very last time in the twenty twenty six twenty
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  Speaker 1: five season, whatever you want to call it. I'm Greg Rosenthal.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with Cynthia Freeland. I'm on stage five. We just
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  Speaker 1: taped what could be our last game debut ever. Who
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  Speaker 1: knows this company. There's a lot going on right now,
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  Speaker 1: but we've been doing that show picking games together for
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  Speaker 1: seven years. We've been doing a podcast picking games against
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  Speaker 1: the spread for two and it really bothered me. Cynthia,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this. We never actually
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  Speaker 1: picked the super Bowl last year.
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  Speaker 2: I do remember that. People complained. I'm glad they complained.
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  Speaker 2: I was one of those people. Actually I used a
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  Speaker 2: berner just getting on dorning out, But if I did,
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  Speaker 2: I would have done the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: But we needed to.
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  Speaker 2: Pick the super Bowl, so I'm glad we're fixing that
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  Speaker 2: this year, even if it may be our last one.
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  Speaker 1: I think we thought, oh, well, we don't want to
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  Speaker 1: spoil the pick early in the week and we'll find
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  Speaker 1: you at Radio Row and it's like it gets complicated
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  Speaker 1: to get down there, So who really cares.
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  Speaker 4: Let's not be precious about her picks.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, if you've been paying attention to this show,
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  Speaker 1: you've been doing well.
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  Speaker 4: And you saw that Synday and I both got.
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  Speaker 1: Our picks right last week two and oh each. I'm
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  Speaker 1: up to thirty eight and twenty four on the season.
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  Speaker 1: I struggled in the playoffs, but at least the two
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  Speaker 1: and oh championship round where we had the Broncos covering,
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  Speaker 1: and I threaded that needle. I said, Patriots win, Broncos
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  Speaker 1: covering nailed it. Got that one nailed it. We both
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  Speaker 1: had the Seahawks. You have the Broncos covering as well,
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  Speaker 1: so you're finishing strong. You've been playing, doing very well
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  Speaker 1: in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just looking at your overall season numbers,
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  Speaker 2: and now.
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  Speaker 1: You won the picks on game debut, you tied for
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  Speaker 1: the overall in the playoffs, and so now you have
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  Speaker 1: to let the people know. What does the model say
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  Speaker 1: for Super Bowl sixty.
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  Speaker 2: I've hurt your ears, my Patriot friend. I have the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks winning by more than four and a half points.
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  Speaker 2: The thing I feel best about is a high scoring
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  Speaker 2: game more than forty six and a half points, So
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  Speaker 2: I feel strongest about that.
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  Speaker 3: But I do feel all the model.
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  Speaker 2: At least models feelings, you know, it's almost sentient. Now
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  Speaker 2: the model feels that the Seattle Seahawks win.
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  Speaker 1: Are you worried that the model might join that social
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  Speaker 1: media where it's AI only bots, you know, just talking
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  Speaker 1: to each other getting ready to take over?
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  Speaker 3: Did you look at any of that stuff, because that's terrifying.
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  Speaker 3: So human programs.
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  Speaker 2: So there's one that's actually called the Humans are screenshotting Us,
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  Speaker 2: which is like very interesting because.
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  Speaker 4: Like human wrote that.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm afraid my model will kill me in my sleep,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm not afraid it's going to drain.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it isn't likes it's split out a seven point
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  Speaker 1: win for the Seahox.
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  Speaker 2: Note so six point win, okay, we yeah, that's right,
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  Speaker 2: seven for Patrick I'm six yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So still that's significant. That's a point and a half
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  Speaker 1: over and that's a big number. So where does the
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  Speaker 1: model kind of show the biggest mismatches?
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  Speaker 4: Because I as a.
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  Speaker 1: Patriots fan, and we'll get to me picking them because
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  Speaker 1: it's obvious I'm going to in a second, I've started
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  Speaker 1: to convince myself they shouldn't really be that big of
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  Speaker 1: an underdog there's seventeen in three. They have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of really high highs, but a six point margin for
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  Speaker 1: a conservative modeler like yourself is a pretty big difference.
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  Speaker 1: So where is the biggest difference where it sees a
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  Speaker 1: problem for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: The Patriots O line is the problem and not just
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  Speaker 2: and again I don't care about Will Campbell's short arms.
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  Speaker 2: It is not that that is actually not the issue.
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  Speaker 2: The analytics people here that do ournnection SATs, they did
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  Speaker 2: a fun thing on arm length. But for me, it's
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  Speaker 2: more that since he returned from injury, he probably hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been healthy, and he's surrendered like almost double the pressure rate,
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  Speaker 2: a lot more sacks, like more than all the sacks
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  Speaker 2: before he left. So I just don't think he's right.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a huge deal at left tackle and being
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  Speaker 2: a rookie, and being a rookie against the Seattle defense
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  Speaker 2: who they don't even need to blitz to get pressure.
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  Speaker 2: So now you're devoting resources to help him, You're bringing
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  Speaker 2: a tight end to like all of these different things.
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  Speaker 3: So now you're conceding numbers.
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  Speaker 2: To the Seattle Seahawks defense is just going to make
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  Speaker 2: it more difficult, and it's not like the right side
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  Speaker 2: has been a shining example of right tackle play as well.
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  Speaker 3: Being mean, I'm just.
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  Speaker 2: Saying that it's not the tackles are an area of concern.
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  Speaker 1: Morgan Moses is the more solid tackle of the two,
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  Speaker 1: but there's a reason why he's been on one year contracts.
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  Speaker 1: And then you're thinking about like interior, Jared Wilson is
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  Speaker 1: a rookie and has had his struggles, Like Garrett Bradbury,
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  Speaker 1: there's a reason why he didn't cost much in free agency,
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  Speaker 1: and I think what you've seen in the playoffs is
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  Speaker 1: they've gone against elite pass rushing groups.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: The craziest thing is they could look at this group
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  Speaker 1: and say, well, actually, compared to Houston and Denver and
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  Speaker 1: maybe even the Chargers, they don't send a lot of pressure,
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  Speaker 1: maybe not as dynamic one on one, although they're obviously
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  Speaker 1: very good in terms of their defensive line. So they
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  Speaker 1: have been put through the gauntlet of maybe four of
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  Speaker 1: the best five pass rushers in the NFL, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: they'll be a little more ready because, to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: Benito's speed and the depth that the Texans have, especially
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  Speaker 1: on the edge, like I was even more afraid of
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  Speaker 1: that they survive that somehow okay.
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  Speaker 2: But so part of the difference is so maybe maybe
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  Speaker 2: Denver and Houston whatever, I will give it you, they're scarier
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  Speaker 2: pass rush. But now you have to put things into
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  Speaker 2: balance here. Is it how much different? Right? Because it's
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  Speaker 2: not like the Patriots were like just narrowly getting like
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  Speaker 2: they won the games obviously, right, but.
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  Speaker 4: They're often stunk.
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  Speaker 2: They went through the very defense really helped them, right,
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  Speaker 2: So it's even if they settle down and they're a
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  Speaker 2: little bit better against the Seahawks defense, which they forecast
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  Speaker 2: to be, I think they can.
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  Speaker 3: Get a little bit more push in the run game.
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  Speaker 2: I will say that's where I think they'll get a little.
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  Speaker 3: More push in the run game. But even even so,
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  Speaker 3: is it enough is the question.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to break down the game at a
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  Speaker 1: little more depth in terms of our preview on the
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  Speaker 1: show that will go up Thursday night, and we're going
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  Speaker 1: to include some current NFL.
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  Speaker 4: Players in that mix and they'll help us pre Can
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  Speaker 4: you tell me who I'm trying to think who's.
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  Speaker 1: Involved in the preole, like Kendrick and some players that
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  Speaker 1: have gone against these teams recently, all sides, I think
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get Isaiah Likely who played against the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots initially, and so we thought we would get some
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  Speaker 1: players in the mix who have faced these teams to
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  Speaker 1: give us some insight in Jordan Rodrigu and Nick Schuck
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  Speaker 1: and I think are going to be talking about it
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  Speaker 1: as well. So I don't want to go too deep
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  Speaker 1: into like why I think this can happen, but ultimately,
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  Speaker 1: like the Patriots defense has gone to a completely different.
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  Speaker 4: Level in these playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: They've performed like a top two or three type of defense.
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  Speaker 1: They've gotten a lot of pressure. I do think the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots have an advantage at quarterback. Ultimately, I do think
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  Speaker 1: there could be a lot of variants in this game.
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  Speaker 1: These are the two teams that have fumbled the most
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  Speaker 1: in the entire NFL this season. The Seahawks were second
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  Speaker 1: worst in the NFL in terms of turnovers in the
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  Speaker 1: regular season. They haven't turned the ball over once. Now,
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  Speaker 1: when you start immediately going to like variants turnovers, like
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  Speaker 1: that's not the best sign.
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  Speaker 4: That's like my main argument.
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  Speaker 2: But the Patriots defense is kind of the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Right with the regular season, they weren't turning the ball
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  Speaker 2: over fair and then in the postseason they've gone crazy
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  Speaker 2: with They've gone crazy with us.
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  Speaker 3: So who's truth and who's fugezy?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think ultimately like you need Drake May to move
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  Speaker 1: in the pocket and almost be unaware of his surroundings
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  Speaker 1: in a way that Sam Donald would not be in
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  Speaker 1: this particular game. Like both of these quarterbacks seem like
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  Speaker 1: they have extremely high ceilings and pretty low floors.
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  Speaker 4: And so where is that going to come out? Ultimately?
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  Speaker 1: I think the biggest mismatch with Patriots can take advantage
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  Speaker 1: of is the interior offensive line for the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 4: We talked about it.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit on game debut, Milton Williams, Christian Barmore
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  Speaker 1: against Sundell and Anthony Bradford and even Gray's Abel sometimes
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  Speaker 1: in past protection. That is something with a blitz plan
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  Speaker 1: that's going to I think target the weaknesses of Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say Sam Donald is going to
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  Speaker 1: be see in ghosts, but I do think sometimes like
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  Speaker 1: you can tell what type of Sam Donald game it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be pretty soon. And if you get him
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  Speaker 1: not reacting as fast, moving through his progressions not as
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  Speaker 1: fast like he did he was outstanding in the NFC Championship,
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  Speaker 1: getting him to think a little bit. With some early pressure,
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  Speaker 1: I could see him having maybe closer to that floor game.
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious because there really is a lot of data
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  Speaker 2: to support this one. I'm curious what you think about
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  Speaker 2: facing two teams you faced before for your only two
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  Speaker 2: postseason games versus facing team's novel teams. And we don't
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  Speaker 2: see a lot of that, right, Like usually you don't
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  Speaker 2: play your division rivals for two Sometimes we see a
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  Speaker 2: three pet but I can't remember last time. I've seen
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  Speaker 2: it twice, so I'm curious to see if that game
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  Speaker 2: plan changed. Like, is it like I'm smarter because I've
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  Speaker 2: seen these people twice before and now my third time,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to have an even better plan and Sam
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  Speaker 2: Donald's more confident Or is it going to be like.
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  Speaker 4: I guess I got to mix it up. I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I love this.
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  Speaker 3: This is a true question that I'm I'm not. I
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  Speaker 3: don't have an answer.
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  Speaker 4: This is one of my new pat theories.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I love this because I've kind of been toying with
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  Speaker 1: thinking about it and now hearing someone as smart as
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  Speaker 1: yourself throw it out. It's like Donald did feel like
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  Speaker 1: he knew the answers to the tests against the Rams
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  Speaker 1: in a way that maybe he wouldn't. He certainly did
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  Speaker 1: in the first two times that they played, in a
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  Speaker 1: way that he was comfortable with what he was seeing.
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  Speaker 1: And to me, that's the story of Sam Donald's career.
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  Speaker 1: He has it all, but mentally he's not always totally
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  Speaker 1: confident in what he's seen and reacting as quickly Drake
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  Speaker 1: may good or bad. He's out there playing and he's
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  Speaker 1: almost a little too comfortable, and I don't think he's
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  Speaker 1: going to hold the ball.
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  Speaker 4: There was one.
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  Speaker 1: Throat like ball where he didn't throw the ball in
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  Speaker 1: the red zone against the Broncos. It was the third
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  Speaker 1: down play before they kicked the go ahead field goal
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  Speaker 1: in the snow that I was like, ooh, he never
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  Speaker 1: turns that down.
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  Speaker 4: That was rare out of him.
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  Speaker 1: Ultimately, I think he's gonna like go down swinging if
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  Speaker 1: he goes Sam Donald. On the other hand, I think
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  Speaker 1: a brand new defensive game plan to have to go
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  Speaker 1: against new players, will they mix it up?
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  Speaker 4: Could that be the day?
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  Speaker 2: I also need I also need you to come up
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  Speaker 2: with like a funny, like witty banter about like something
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  Speaker 2: there is something here about like Josh McDaniel's former coach
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  Speaker 2: of the Raiders, got fired, went back and then Kubiak
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  Speaker 2: up about the remnant.
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  Speaker 1: It's a revenge game on the Raiders and against Tom
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  Speaker 1: Brady for not rooting for the Patriots in this game.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly, Josh McCay.
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  Speaker 2: There's so many levels of there's so many levels of
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  Speaker 2: inside baseball here, we're taking you through.
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  Speaker 3: All of them.
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  Speaker 1: It is really funny that Josh McDaniels probably is still
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  Speaker 1: getting paid by Mark Davis, So it shouldn't be who
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  Speaker 1: isn't revenge.
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  Speaker 4: Game like he got him?
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  Speaker 2: Was it as a Northwestern grad? Thank you Mark Davis?
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  Speaker 2: Because Chip Kelly is getting.
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  Speaker 1: Paid by as a Patriots fan, Thank you Mark Davis.
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  Speaker 4: Because Josh McDaniels, like.
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  Speaker 1: Santa, with a couple of weeks to prepare, I think
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  Speaker 1: there's a chance at least that they have a coaching
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  Speaker 1: in in this game. McDaniel's been involved in these games.
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  Speaker 1: I think Rabel in terms of his game management is
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  Speaker 1: just excellent. And do you have enough kind of designer
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  Speaker 1: plays to pull it off? But one thing I agreed
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  Speaker 1: with you, and we're going to move off this game
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  Speaker 1: and get to just a couple of little items of
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  Speaker 1: news before you go get your flight.
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  Speaker 4: That I really agree with you is.
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  Speaker 1: I feel better about the number than I do the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots winning.
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  Speaker 4: To uh, we're going to put a ball on it
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  Speaker 4: my score, and.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't give a score twenty seven to twenty six Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: I am having them win straight up? Why not? Why?
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  Speaker 1: I do think it's going to be some points ultimately.
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  Speaker 1: I think there could be some turnovers. I think there
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  Speaker 1: could be some big plays. Seattle did give up a
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  Speaker 1: lot a big plays, So.
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  Speaker 3: I just think tricks matter too. We've seen both. We
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  Speaker 3: saw flea Flicker, we saw some crazy stuff. We've seen
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  Speaker 3: tight ends being used in snakes.
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  Speaker 2: Like there's all these different fun things that both of
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  Speaker 2: these offensive masterminds could be putting together for this game,
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  Speaker 2: and with a little extra time, I expect them to
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  Speaker 2: be on display, just a few little snappy tricks.
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  Speaker 3: Here and there.
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  Speaker 4: So I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love it too, Like get get a team that
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  Speaker 1: can do the normal stuff, but do the weird stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Get it.
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  Speaker 1: Get a podcast that can do both too. We can
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  Speaker 1: do the picks, we can do a little bit of news,
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: because why not. Like we're at the Daily Show, this
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  Speaker 1: is our today. Our next show will be from Radio
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  Speaker 1: Row with a lot of big time guests. I love
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  Speaker 1: that as long as they don't cancel. Jackson Dart is
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  Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Justin Jefferson is on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, do I want going to give you
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  Speaker 2: that bucket chain thing?
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  Speaker 1: So Liam Cohen is coming up later in the week.
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  Speaker 1: I think we have our Bowls All Pro first teamer
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  Speaker 1: on Wednesday too.
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  Speaker 2: Just thinking about that is a huge man. Garrett Bowles
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  Speaker 2: is like, it's the biggest picture with him is going
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  Speaker 2: to be silly and funny. Justin Jefferson is one of
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  Speaker 2: my favorites. And even though he's on a team that
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  Speaker 2: plays against my team, I still like, really love it,
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  Speaker 2: Like I can't help it. He was my favorite of
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  Speaker 2: all the guys coming out of college. You know, we're
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  Speaker 2: almost going into draft season. I actually my first smock
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  Speaker 2: draft you today. It's coming out who knows when but soon,
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  Speaker 2: And I was sitting there and I'm like, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: really miss Justin Jefferson's tracking data.
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  Speaker 3: That's sad.
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  Speaker 1: He's a guy where what you see is what you get.
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  Speaker 1: Every person that's been around him in the Minnesota building,
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  Speaker 1: like Austin is our leader. That's why you know they
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  Speaker 1: they not only have one of the best players, one
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  Speaker 1: of the best leaders in the league. So it'll be
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: a treat to talk to him a couple coaching items.
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  Speaker 1: Davis web gets elevated to offensive course locker in Denver.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know anything about Davis Webb? Yes, Okay, Denver person.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I did preseason with them, and I was
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: surprised that Davis Webb was even allowed to interview for
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  Speaker 2: anything else. Now he remember he had to interview for
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  Speaker 2: head coaching because they can put the Kai bosh on,
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  Speaker 2: they can block certain things. They can't block that though,
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  Speaker 2: So Davis Webb was one who you could see it.
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  Speaker 2: Sean was like, let's not talk about him, let's snut.
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  Speaker 3: And that's how you know.
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  Speaker 2: That Sean Payton thinks someone is really good because he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't let the good ones out of the building, or
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  Speaker 2: he brings them back, like Darren Rizzy. Darren Rizzy's back.
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  Speaker 2: You know that's that's always a good thing. When Sean
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  Speaker 2: brings brings his people back. That's how I know he
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  Speaker 2: likes Davis Webb a lot.
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  Speaker 1: And how about this coaching tree right now, Ben Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, pretty Declan Doyle I would consider actually part
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  Speaker 1: of the Sean Payton coaching tree in the end, Like, yep,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be intrigued to see how that goes. Matt
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: Naggi is your new Giants offensive coordinator. I thought he
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  Speaker 1: was going to get a potentially embarrassing situation where he
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  Speaker 1: really it really sounded like his people thought he was
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: getting the Titans job for whatever it's worth, and then
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  Speaker 1: not only not getting that job, but the Chiefs moving
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  Speaker 1: on from you pretty quickly and just deciding okay, that
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  Speaker 1: was going to be his last year in Kansas City.
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  Speaker 1: I thought he might not get a coordinator job, and
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  Speaker 1: he might not have if Todd Munkin didn't end up
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  Speaker 1: in Cleveland. But now Matt Naggy in charge of Jackson
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  Speaker 1: Dart's future, I'm willing to be open minded about it.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly an experienced play caller, but.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: Very similar to Mike Kafka. You know who Mi Kafka
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: worked for, Yeah, Matt Naggy. So I don't think it's
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: gonna I actually think it could be a thing for
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: Jackson Dart in terms of play, like the style of
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: the way that the offense is taught. Like remember we
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: talk about like this poor quarterback has had ten different
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: coordinators or ten different people there.
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: I think it could be good for him.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: It could be you know, you look at the stats
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: for the Chiefs pre Naggy, post Naggy.
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's not fair.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe it is like their worst offensive seasons by a
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: good chunk were the n.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: Naggy, but he also won. He also won with the Bears.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: He was the last coach of the year when he
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: was a Bear, you know, at some moments, so he's
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: I think you just got to remember that there's there's
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: always value to having worked with Patrick Mutt. Like you
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: can rehab with Josh McDaniel's and have him do other things,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: but we can't rehab. Okay, Maaggie going back to.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Pat, I haven't seen him provide this schematic advantage on
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: his own. But that's saying let's see because this will
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: be a big test and he's no longer with Andy Reid.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: But I like what you're doing. It was just pushing backwards.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I think Matt Naggie struggles a little bit from a
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: pr angle for whatever from.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: You know what I want? You know what I want?
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and nobody agrees with you on this one. But
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: as just an offensive coordinator, you know who I want
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: back Adam Gase.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Wow, okay, that'll be who knows, there's still a couple
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: jobs available.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, though, you talk about someone who coordinating
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: an offense and relating to offensive players.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: I saw a crazy stat that almost every offensive coordinator
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: in the league was hired twenty in the last three years.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: There was like one one who doesn't have play calling duties.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: That's it like before them. That's crazy. A couple other
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: quick items. Robber Craft did not make the Hall of Fame.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I don't like this trend of leaking the news about
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame of who didn't make it ahead
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: of time. It's just not great that because it makes
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: it feel worse. But it's not new that Robbercraft is
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: not making the Hall of Fame. Unlike Bill Belichick, He's
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: been elegent.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Can we talk about the Bill Belichick thing for a second, though.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Please, you're the one with the plane to catch. I'm
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: furious you get a few minutes.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you cannot.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Write the history of the NFL without Bill Belichick.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: You can't.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: No, he's he's you.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: You can't do it.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: You can try to make arguments for different best coaches
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: of all time in different ways, but he has.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: To be no, no, no, no, no.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: He's in that argument squarely.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he's the best coach of allSome
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I think he is, but I can that would be
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: my pick, and I think there's a lot of ways
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: to substantiate that. However, I can at least see that
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: being a discussion. But the fact that he's not a
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: first ballot Hall of Famer, what the heck are you doing?
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Almost for what on earth are these people doing.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: We've seen a couple of reason games. I don't want
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: to jam.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I'm supposed to tell who you voted for out yourselves,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: you tend voters because well if you have.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: And the whole Senior's Committee argument is ridiculous that like,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: we wanted to get these seniors in and you know, we.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Thought would then be better.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Some people I think wanted to punish him for Spygate
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: and make him wait a year.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: It was all ridiculous.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: And Cynthia's look icily into the camera right now is
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: why you got to check us out.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I just and I really love the Hall of Fame.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Now I will protest the Hall of Fame. This won't happen,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: But I will protest the Hall of Fame. If Lair
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Fitzgerald doesn't get in.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: This year, I will definitely get in.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: If he doesn't get that, damn knock, I will never
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: speak of the Hall of Fame again.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: He's getting he will be better. He better.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: So no craft, but that's not new.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: I personally think that the threshold for owners it.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Could be like six thousand years old and get.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: It should be well, he's getting up there in years.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: It should be so sky high that you fundamentally change
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the sport. Patrick put it well to me when we
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: were talking about this in the in the breakroom before
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: we came out, which is like, yeah, if you're an owner,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: the victory, you get the victories in other ways you
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: get them the Lombardi trophies.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you get the.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Money you get that's your that's your win as an owner.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I said on our last show that we would have
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: eight International Games. I didn't know that they were going
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: to announce another one. So let's break a record and
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: let's get to nine. They're going back to Mexico City
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: late next seas.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Which ones we have we announced.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: We've announced them all. They're all out there. Australia, Paris,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: out there.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: With I didn't know if it was out there. Lord,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: it's very hard.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: It's been out That's what I'm lobbing to go to
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: that one. That one's kind of been expected for. I
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: know it's been expected that I was eight months or
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. They finally announce it, but Mexico City
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: was the last one. It's going to be a late
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a December game. Usually the International
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Games kind of wind down, but since.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: That's an elevation game.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's also like that's not that long a trip,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: So I think I love that they want to send
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: people to Europe like in December.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Heck no, but I get it.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Wait, what do you think about Matlin?
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: It sounds like it's going to be the forty nine
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: ers because their owner said keep an eye on us
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: possibly going to Mexico City.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: So okay, well, I think Mexico.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Mexico City is also an awesome one from the time
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: zone standpoint.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: So that's all I got for news. Now you're just
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: throwing I.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Want to know what Matt lif Flir.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Sorry, Mike Lafleur.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: They said he's gonna call plays. We talked about it
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: on our last show. I think you have thoughts. I
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: want to hear what you say.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I think that's a hard freaking job. I think that
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: is the hard the hardest job of all of the jobs. Yes,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I mean for being a head coach. I think that
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: is a like. I hope he gets hazard pay because
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: that is a hard job that he took.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Is he going to be able to fill out that staff?
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have the eyebrows, he doesn't have the the vibe.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: No, maybe he'll get over it.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: He was a great daily He seems like a really
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: nice guy, but he hasn't shown that he can provide.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: But I couldn't be a head coach.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: You see the guy running the building. You are nice.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: What a season Cynthia Freelan gave to us. We got
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: to get her on a plane.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: She is she keeps talking to me.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: No, we really do.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Need to get you.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: You're going to be late.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: We will be back in the NFL Daily Feed from
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Radio Row with all those great guests that I mentioned earlier.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: What a season.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Everyone check out Cynthia Freeland and Numbers Game her YouTube channel.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: We will see you from San Francisco.