Latest / Liberatory Strategy / S4E06 Deconditioning, Decolonizing, and Unbecoming
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- 0:13Shirani Pathak: Hey there, and welcome to the fierce
- 0:15authenticity podcast where I teach you how to decolonize your
- 0:20mind, break free from supremacy internalized patriarchal
- 0:24conditioning, and have amazing relationships. It doesn't have
- 0:28to be one or the other friend, you can have both. And my
- 0:32signature framework fierce authenticity shows you how. I'm
- 0:37your hostess Shirani M. Pathak. And now, let's get to it.
- 0:46Welcome back to the podcast, I am so excited to be here with
- 0:51you. Again, it is a new year, we just went through our entire
- 0:56holiday series parts one, two, and three, as well as learning
- 1:01about our Word of the Year and how we can choose like an
- 1:05intention or a word to be intentional around as we're
- 1:08kicking off this New Year, rather than those resolutions
- 1:14that don't work. So if you haven't listened to those
- 1:16episodes, make sure you go back and get caught up, you are not
- 1:20going to want to miss those, especially like I said that one
- 1:23with Dimple Mukherjee, our guest who talked about our Word of the
- 1:26Year and how to use a word to guide and also the episode I
- 1:31have about why New Year's resolutions don't work. So as
- 1:34we're kicking off 2023 I want to direct you there. And also just
- 1:39welcome to a fresh new year. By the time you hear this, I will
- 1:45no longer be a psychotherapist, I will have retired that
- 1:51profession, a profession that I have been in for about 16 years
- 1:55when you include grad school and pre licensure years and, and
- 1:59then licensure and all that. So it's been a long time. And the
- 2:04topic we're going to talk about today, which is decolonizing,
- 2:08deconditioning and unbecoming, actually tie in really, really
- 2:14nicely to this process of unbecoming for me of
- 2:19decolonizing how the conditioning that told me "Oh,
- 2:23you went to school for your master's in social work, you
- 2:25went to school to become a therapist, now you're gonna quit
- 2:27being a therapist," you know, all of that. The colonial
- 2:30thoughts about having to stick to one thing and make an
- 2:34education and everything else that's not education is like not
- 2:37good or not worthy of pursuit. And then the deconditioning that
- 2:43has to happen. And to me, deconditioning and decolonizing
- 2:46are very similar, because I had to literally decondition all of
- 2:52the beliefs, all of that conditioning that told me no, I
- 2:56can't do that, oh, I should stick to this thing that I know,
- 2:58oh, I've had this career for so long. Oh, this is what I went to
- 3:01school with, oh, you're still paying off over $100,000 in
- 3:04student loan debt for this career, right. So that requires
- 3:08a lot of that. And in the process is also a practice of
- 3:14unbecoming because as we're doing our decolonizing work as
- 3:17we're doing our deconditioning, what we're doing is we're really
- 3:21unraveling everything that society has told us that we
- 3:26should be or that we need to be. It's like a ball of yarn that's
- 3:30been all tangled up. And we're just unraveling all of that, and
- 3:35unbecoming everything that is not authentically us. So that we
- 3:40can step into who we came here to be who we are when we are not
- 3:48following all these societal expectations, all of this
- 3:51conditioning all of the shoulds. That's what happens. That's what
- 3:55the process of unbecoming is and not going to lie to you today,
- 4:00Friend, I did have to have some help. We do have a studio
- 4:05audience present with us today. And by the way, if you have not
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- 4:20four, and to be in community to ask me questions, to get coached
- 4:26live on the line. That's what we are doing here this season. And
- 4:30so hop on over to ShiraniMPathak.com/connect or
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- 4:45you can be in the community space with us as we do this. So
- 4:49back to what I was saying. We do have a live studio audience
- 4:53today. A community member is with us. And I had to ask her
- 4:58"Hey, this is the topic that we're doing for today. But I got
- 5:02nothing. So can you give me some questions that you might have
- 5:07any ways to jog something in me so that we can actually have a
- 5:12podcast episode on this topic?" And what she asked about was,
- 5:17how do we connect the personal to the collective as we're doing
- 5:20this work? What is the connection between the personal
- 5:23and the collective? And the feedback loop that goes in
- 5:26between that? And then also, how do we give ourselves grace in
- 5:30the process. So thank you so much to our community member,
- 5:33Nisha, who has also been a guest earlier on the podcast, and who
- 5:39also interviewed me for her podcast, which we also posted
- 5:43here on the episode. So thank you to my friend and community
- 5:46member Nisha, for being here with me and for asking these
- 5:49really powerful questions. And I think I'm just gonna get right
- 5:54to it. For me, fierce authenticity, and unbecoming is
- 6:00all about collective healing. My background is as a social
- 6:04worker. So working on a systems level is not new to me, that's
- 6:09something that's been ingrained into me since I started this
- 6:13whole thing. So it's always been looking from a systemic
- 6:16perspective, both the sociocultural, socioeconomic
- 6:20systems that are there, and also a family system or a friend
- 6:24system, or who's around us, those are systems also. And so I
- 6:30had been trained in this, and it's like, I live it, I breathe
- 6:34it, it's in my blood, we are always in systems of some sort.
- 6:38And so knowing that background fierce authenticity, and
- 6:42unbecoming, which includes this work of decolonizing, and
- 6:46deconditioning, really is us healing the collective, the
- 6:52macro level, by doing our personal work, the micro level.
- 6:59And there's fancier words to it, basically, like the the
- 7:03macrocosm, which is the big collective systems and
- 7:08structures that hold us all in place, and then the microcosm,
- 7:12which is each individual part of that collective system. So to
- 7:19me, this work is all about doing our personal work so that we can
- 7:27heal the collective. I'm thinking about Milagros
- 7:29Phillips, who was also a guest on our podcast, I believe she
- 7:33kicked off season three, and she's the race healer. And she
- 7:38talks about how there's this big brick wall that are these
- 7:42systems and these structures. And as each of us does our work,
- 7:46we're taking our brick out of that wall. And as we take our
- 7:51brick out of the wall, eventually that wall will
- 7:55collapse. And that has been my thing, I truly believe, and
- 7:59you've heard me say this before on the podcast that this is a
- 8:02Trojan horse approach, I truly believe that we are going to
- 8:07knock down the systems and structures of supremacy culture
- 8:11and oppression and patriarchy, and colonialism and toxic
- 8:16capitalism and ableism. Like all of the isms and all of the
- 8:19things that are rooted in these systems of oppression, they're
- 8:23all going to collapse from the inside out, and kind of like an
- 8:27imploding upon itself, as each of us does the work. And I've
- 8:32talked about it as a Trojan horse approach that is going to
- 8:35be going in sneaky and sly, but from a perspective of us doing
- 8:42our own work. Let's go back and first of all, define what these
- 8:48terms mean. Decolonizing, who's experienced it, how it shows up?
- 8:54What needs deconditioning and what exactly is unbecoming. So
- 8:59let's just back up a step and go there. And now I am no expert or
- 9:03scholar on decolonizing. There are plenty of educators out
- 9:08there, who this is what they teach. And what I'm going to
- 9:12share with you is my understanding and how it shows
- 9:14up for me. So I am a Brown woman, I call myself a triple
- 9:19colonized Brown woman because first there was the British in
- 9:22India, and then the British took us to Fiji. So step two, and
- 9:27then my family chose to move to the US another very colonial
- 9:33country. So I call myself triple colonized. And to me that means
- 9:38that any of us who have ever lived in any sort of colonial
- 9:45rule, the word rule isn't even the right word. But to me, it's
- 9:49like we have experienced colonization in our past we have
- 9:52experienced colonization in our history. And so that means an
- 9:57outsider came in they took over, they pillage they plundered,
- 10:02they took for themselves. They tried to convert people to be
- 10:07like them. And then of course with indigenous populations and
- 10:11a lot of African people who were enslaved, there was also
- 10:13genocide that occurred. So these are all of the different ways.
- 10:17And I'm thinking of Milagros Phillips how she talks about it
- 10:20that for Black people, it's enslavement, right? They have to
- 10:24release that trauma from their blood, their bones, their DNA.
- 10:29For white people, they need to release the trauma of being the
- 10:34colonizer. And then for and the enslaver, and for Brown people,
- 10:40we have to deal with undoing the colonization. So I'm going to
- 10:45speak from a Brown girl perspective, because to me, I
- 10:49think about the ways that we have been so impacted. And
- 10:53honestly, I get jealous when I hear Indian people who ended up
- 10:58in the Caribbean when the colonizers took them from India
- 11:02to work sugarcane plantations out in the Caribbean, I kind of
- 11:05get jealous and I'm like, wow, they assimilated so well, it
- 11:10seems into the culture. We have Indo-Caribbean people in our
- 11:13community, they verify that over time, there was assimilation
- 11:17that occurred with the Indigenous populations that
- 11:20already resided there. Now me I get a little jealous because we
- 11:25were colonized by the British over there in Fiji, and it very
- 11:29much was a separation and a divide the Indigenous Fijians
- 11:35and the Indians that colonizers had taken over the human cargo
- 11:41they brought right they never intermingled well. I don't know
- 11:45the history behind that. But I always felt like wow, this
- 11:47really sucks that intermingling didn't happen that there's still
- 11:51such a divide of us versus them. And to me, that's one of the
- 11:55tactics of supremacy culture, and it is one of the tactics of
- 11:59colonization is this US them mentality. And there's so many
- 12:05ways that there's colonialism shows up, it shows up in
- 12:10hierarchies, it shows up, as I mentioned earlier, at the start
- 12:14of this episode, in valuing education, you know, the written
- 12:18word is what's valued, and only doing that which is deemed
- 12:24acceptable or appropriate. Those are some of the ways that
- 12:28colonization show up. And of course, there's so many more.
- 12:32And like I said, I am not the expert or educator in this,
- 12:35there are plenty of people you can learn from. And you know
- 12:38what, we'll go ahead and link a few names in the show notes for
- 12:41you so that you can learn from these educators. And I am
- 12:45sharing my experience of what it has looked like. And of course,
- 12:51Hindus already had a caste system in place. And some people
- 12:54argue that a lot of the colorism came from the caste system.
- 12:58That's a history I have not researched into. And it's still
- 13:03important to note that these hierarchies of there's some who
- 13:08are better than some who are less than and then of that
- 13:11group, there are some who are better than and some who are
- 13:14less than and so it just continues on and on. And other
- 13:17ways that colonialism shows up is meritocracy, where there's
- 13:21these rewards for doing well. There's these rewards and
- 13:27advancements for putting your head down doing your work doing
- 13:31it well. Good Behavior is rewarded. And then you get to
- 13:35advance, right? So there's so many ways and this doesn't even
- 13:39scratch the tip of the iceberg of it. And then this gets
- 13:44carried out in the ways that we engage with one another and the
- 13:48ways that we behave. So now let's move on to deconditioning.
- 13:55To me, deconditioning is undoing all of the sociocultural
- 14:01conditioning that colonialism put on us. And to me, that means
- 14:07undoing all of the stories and lies that tell you you're not
- 14:10good enough. It means undoing and healing from recovering from
- 14:17all of the stories that lead to impostor syndrome and
- 14:20perfectionism. And the not enoughs, inadequacy, feeling
- 14:24like you have to constantly be in hustle mode, feeling like you
- 14:27have to constantly be in go mode, and judgment and
- 14:31criticism, you know, the ways it shows up in our relationships
- 14:34and when we get judgey judgey towards our partners or siblings
- 14:37or parents or friends, towards our coworkers, anybody right how
- 14:41we get so judgy how we get critical how we get into
- 14:44comparison. To me. These are also ways that colonialism shows
- 14:49up and part of the decolonizing and deconditioning work that we
- 14:52need to do. And here's the other part of it to me, as you've
- 14:57heard on the podcast before this is not just done on a brain
- 15:02level, like from your head like on a thought perspective, this
- 15:05really needs to happen in our bodies, because supremacy
- 15:10culture has hijacked our nervous systems, supremacy culture has
- 15:15used fear to control us. And let's go ahead and for the sake
- 15:20of the rest of this episode, put supremacy culture and
- 15:24colonization together in one bucket so I'm going to start
- 15:27using those interchangeably. Fear has been used to control
- 15:32fear has been used to oppress, and that takes a toll on our
- 15:37nervous systems. And so as we are deconditioning, these
- 15:43stories, these ideas, these beliefs, we also need to get
- 15:47into relationship with our bodies, you may have heard me
- 15:50talk about it on the podcast before to me heart work, the
- 15:54work of healing our hearts in our relationships, plus somatic
- 15:58work, getting into relationship with our bodies, equals a new
- 16:01legacy. And ultimately, that's what we're doing here with
- 16:04fierce authenticity, we're creating a new legacy. And a
- 16:08part of that legacy means we have to get in touch with our
- 16:13bodies, we have to get in touch and in tune with what is our
- 16:18nervous system alerting us to what are we finding as threats
- 16:24around us. And this could be the sideways look you got from your
- 16:27coworker. Or it could be you getting called into your boss's
- 16:31office for review, right? Or even not even a review, but just
- 16:35getting called into your boss's office, I remember that would
- 16:38trigger so much fear in me, when a boss would be like, Oh, hey,
- 16:42come over to my office and talk to you. It was an instant
- 16:45trigger and freak out for me and my nervous system. And I didn't
- 16:50know it at the time that that's what was happening. But this is
- 16:53all a part of the deconditioning work is not just the stories,
- 16:57and what contributes to it, but is also about our bodies as a
- 17:03messenger and what messages they're giving us and also our
- 17:07nervous systems, which to me is what brings us to unbecoming and
- 17:13how these three just feel like they're almost like they flow
- 17:17seamlessly into each other. And it's really hard to separate one
- 17:21from the other. And that is like the unbecoming of all of these
- 17:28things. That colonialism, that colonization, the conditioning,
- 17:34as we decolonize and decondition, what is happening
- 17:41is we are truly unbecoming everything that is not who we
- 17:46are everything that is not who we were created to be. Because
- 17:51friend, I'm just going to say it straight right here right now.
- 17:54You are a spark of divine love. That is what you are. And if you
- 18:03have any thoughts to the contrary, in terms of like, Oh,
- 18:07I'm not good enough, I'm inadequate. Oh, I have to be
- 18:09perfect. All that is the bullshit that colonization and
- 18:14all of the conditioning has led you to believe you're wound up
- 18:18in these layers and layers, like I'm almost seeing it like a
- 18:21mummy wrapped up like a mummy and all these layers of things
- 18:25that are not you. So as you decolonize as you decondition.
- 18:32As you see what messages your brain, your body, your nervous
- 18:36system is giving you as well as what your thoughts are about
- 18:40these things that are getting activated in you and working
- 18:44with them from a somatic place. That's how we unravel like I had
- 18:48talked about that ball of yarn at the beginning of the episode.
- 18:51That is how we on ravel. It's like the cloth. That is the
- 18:57mummies. That's like got you in bondage basically, that's all
- 19:01the stuff that is not you. And as you undo all of that, what
- 19:07gets revealed is the version of you. That is the true version of
- 19:13you, who you really, truly fiercely, authentically are
- 19:20underneath all of the crap. That is not you. And so that to me,
- 19:29is what unbecoming is really about it is a sacred process. It
- 19:36truly is because it requires us to get into relationship with a
- 19:41source of something greater than us. Because if I'm telling you
- 19:45that you're a divine spark of love, then that means there must
- 19:49be a higher power a Divine Creator Source of something
- 19:53that's there and not in the religious dogma kind of way but
- 19:58a personal relationship with something bigger and greater
- 20:01than you. So you have to have that relationship with source
- 20:04and then having a relationship with yourself, who are you? Who
- 20:10are you not? And as that happens, then the way you show
- 20:14up in your relationship with others, and that's the way we do
- 20:20this work. And that's how, when we do the healing on an
- 20:25individual or microcosm level, we heal the collective, and we
- 20:34heal the macro level. And that's how each of us within these
- 20:40bigger systems does our work. And you've probably heard me say
- 20:45it on the podcast, but I'll say it again, each and every single
- 20:48one of us has a responsibility to do this inner work of
- 20:53decolonizing deconditioning, dismantling, demolishing all of
- 20:57this internalized colonialism, the internalized supremacy, the
- 21:03internalized oppression, each and every single one of us has a
- 21:07responsibility no matter what the color of your skin, because
- 21:10we live in these systems, and each of us has been impacted by
- 21:14it. Because a lot of times people will be like, Oh, that's
- 21:17white people's problem is for them to solve. Yes. On a systems
- 21:21and structures level. Absolutely. And each of us is
- 21:25responsible for doing our inner work. I also want to address how
- 21:35do we give ourselves grace, as we're in the process. Very early
- 21:40on in season one of the podcast when I first began, the fierce
- 21:44authenticity podcast, I used to actually put out love notes. And
- 21:49the love notes were like, three to five minutes, they were
- 21:53permission slips, they were love notes, they were from my heart
- 21:57to yours. I mean, all of these are from my heart to yours. And
- 21:59there was like a more sacred quality to them, almost like a
- 22:04meditation. So very early on, I did one called permission to
- 22:10change. So add that to your list of episodes to go back and
- 22:15listen to. And I think that's like just a three to five minute
- 22:18love note. And it's really, that we're going to mess this up.
- 22:23None of us is an expert or a pro at this. We're all learning and
- 22:28unlearning right here alongside each other. And it is super
- 22:33important for us to remember and recognize that because we're
- 22:38building the new world as we're still living in the old one. So
- 22:44we're constructing from the ruins of what we're
- 22:47deconstructing, it's important to just remember, we're going to
- 22:52mess it up, I'm going to mess it up, you're going to mess it up,
- 22:55other people are going to mess it up. And the factor that
- 22:59matters the most in those moments is how do we repair when
- 23:05we have messed it up? Let's say in our messing it up, we truly
- 23:09did someone harm whether with our words or our actions, and we
- 23:13really didn't know and then it's brought to our attention. Well,
- 23:17am I going to be a douchebag? And be like, Oh, whatever make
- 23:21up all the excuses about justifying my behavior? Or am I
- 23:26going to say, "Wow, thank you so much for letting me know, I am
- 23:30so sorry that I caused you that harm. Thank you for speaking up.
- 23:36I'm going to do it better next time. Is there anything else I
- 23:39can do this time to support you? Is there any way I can make it
- 23:43right right now?" This is what repair looks and sounds like.
- 23:48And under systems of supremacy and colonization. We have not
- 23:53been taught how to do repair. Maybe we'll do an episode on
- 23:59that how to do repair when we have caused harm. Because we
- 24:05live in such a culture of blame and shame and deferring
- 24:10responsibility not taking accountability. And in order for
- 24:14repair to happen, we have to show up with humility, meaning
- 24:19we have to show up right sized we have to show up knowing that
- 24:22I'm not better than you. I'm not worse than you. But I am the
- 24:26same as you when it comes to being a human and being a divine
- 24:30spark. Right. We are all the same as and it requires me
- 24:34really opening myself up to hear you and to create space. And
- 24:41sometimes it's going to be uncomfortable. It's not going to
- 24:44feel good. If someone's like hey, you know can I talk to you
- 24:48that thing that you said or that thing that you did that really
- 24:50hurt me because of XYZ right? It can be really difficult
- 24:54sometimes to look at like oh shit, yeah, I really did do that
- 24:59right? And then again, it requires that humility to know
- 25:03that we're the same here and you're a human, and I'm a human.
- 25:08And we're just trying to do this wild thing called life together
- 25:13so that we can, like we're all working towards the same common
- 25:16shared goal. So that's like having grace for yourself, just
- 25:21know that you aren't going to mess it up, and grace for others
- 25:24know that others are going to mess it up. Also, we're not
- 25:27perfect, our perfection is not required. It's our progress that
- 25:31we must be making and how we're showing up. Big breath. So with
- 25:38that, I think that is going to wrap up our main episode.
- 25:44Hangout with me friends, because we are going to be opening up to
- 25:47our live Q&A slash coaching portion of today's episode. And
- 25:54as a reminder, if you have not signed up to get these email
- 25:59invites to join us, what are you doing, visit the link in the
- 26:03show notes and get in on these emails that are going to be
- 26:07invitations for you to join, and also Fierce Authenticity:
- 26:12Unbecoming, we begin on January 27, 2023, this is what we're
- 26:20going to be doing, we're going to be doing all of this. So
- 26:23check out the link in the show notes. Come on over, check it
- 26:26out. And see if you're meant to be there feeling to it, get into
- 26:32relationship with your body, and see if it calls you to be there.
- 26:38And so with that, my friends, we are going to take a quick water
- 26:43break, and then be back for the community portion. Alright,
- 26:49thank you, thank you, we are back. And we do have our
- 26:54community member with us. Would you care to say any words or ask
- 26:58any questions? I mean, I know these questions came from you
- 27:01originally. And I definitely want to give you an opportunity
- 27:05to ask or even add your commentary, because I do value
- 27:10your knowledge in this area as well. So feel free to unmute and
- 27:17Nisha Mody: Yeah, thank you so much Shirani I loved so much of
- 27:17join me here.
- 27:21what you shared. And I think what really a few parts that
- 27:24resonated with me were just meritocracy is like just a space
- 27:29that I have always struggled with, with trying to like, prove
- 27:33myself or, you know, keep up with, you know, other people,
- 27:37especially as a South Asian, like, being the model minority
- 27:40and all that stuff, which is like, completely like a
- 27:43politicized conditioning, essentially. So that was really,
- 27:47really helpful. Another thing I wanted to mention was I really
- 27:50liked how you said, right size relationship. I don't think I've
- 27:54ever heard of that before. And or just being right sized. Like
- 28:00when you said that I was like, oh, to me when I heard that. I
- 28:03thought meeting myself where I'm at, but I wasn't sure if you
- 28:07could expand on that a little more.
- 28:08Shirani Pathak: Yeah, absolutely. One of my mentors,
- 28:11talks a lot about being right sized. And you know, when the
- 28:15word humility came out of my mouth, I was like humility, why
- 28:18am I talking about humility? That's not a word I usually go
- 28:21to. And then I was reminded that, like, humility really is
- 28:25about being right sized. And like you said, that in this,
- 28:30like, with the meritocracy, and the hierarchies, and all of
- 28:34these things that systems of supremacy and oppression have
- 28:36put in place, we start to think either bigger than so we're more
- 28:41inflated, or we start to you know, Terry Real, I'm trained
- 28:45with him, he calls it grandiosity where we're like
- 28:48overly inflated, and like, I'm bigger than you. It's a total
- 28:52defense mechanism. Actually, he says, sometimes it's not a
- 28:55defense mechanism. But I digress. We're gonna call it
- 28:58grandiosity, the bigger, you know, overly inflated, I'm
- 29:02holier than thou type scenario. And then there's like shame,
- 29:07where we shrink and we think we're less than or we think that
- 29:12we are below or beneath or that that's where the inadequacy
- 29:16starts to come in. Right. So if you're relating from grandiosity
- 29:20up here, or shame down here, you're not here, where health is
- 29:27and where the rest of us are. And that's a big part of the
- 29:30problem is that the dehumanization of some and the
- 29:34superiority of others also puts us into that being bigger or
- 29:41being smaller. So to me being right sized means remembering,
- 29:46oh, let me disarm any part of me that wants to show up all big
- 29:50and overly inflated. And let me pull myself up from shame.
- 29:56Right. Let me remember that I have every right to be here,
- 30:00every right to speak up, every right to have myself heard. So
- 30:06that brings us to an even playing field, where now I'm not
- 30:13bigger than, I'm not better than I'm not less than, but I'm truly
- 30:18showing up as someone who is equal to you, in our shared
- 30:25humanity. So to me, that's what being right sized means. And I'm
- 30:29remembering when I shared with my mentor one time, about how
- 30:33much I love going to Big Sur, there's this park on a cliff,
- 30:39and just walking out onto the cliff and being confronted with
- 30:44these massive waves that just come like Big Sur is such a
- 30:48gorgeous place. And how it always reminds me that, oh,
- 30:54nature is so much bigger and great. Like I am just this tiny
- 30:59part of this great big world, and of this great big cosmos. So
- 31:05I remember sharing that with her one day. And she's like, Yeah,
- 31:08sounds like going there helps you get right sized. Because
- 31:12sometimes it can also be easy for me to go into all of my
- 31:17problems, and then I'm the center of it all. And then I get
- 31:20so wrapped up in the Me, me me that I forget that there's
- 31:25something bigger and greater and that I am merely a part of it.
- 31:29So there's different ways of looking at this right sizing.
- 31:32Some people would say it's to knock you down, right, bring you
- 31:36back to where you belong. And we don't play that here. But it's
- 31:39really just to bring us back on an equal playing field that
- 31:44you're human. I'm a human, we're not better than we're not less
- 31:49than how can we show up and engage together human to human?
- 31:56Nisha Mody: Yeah, I love that. I love thinking about humility. I
- 31:59initially, I think I've had similar reaction to you. But now
- 32:03I think it's beautiful to know that you don't know. And I also
- 32:09feel like being right size reminds me of interdependence,
- 32:12like we need each other too. So I think that that's really
- 32:14beautiful. So thank you for expanding on that.
- 32:17Shirani Pathak: Yeah, thank you. And I love you just said
- 32:20interdependence. And I felt my body just like tingle with the
- 32:24sweetness of when we remember that right the tenderness of
- 32:30when we remember that. Thank you so much. Nisha, for joining us
- 32:37here as our live studio audience. Thank you for your
- 32:40super valuable questions that you asked both to kick us off
- 32:45for the episode. And to help expanding in What does right
- 32:50size really mean? Anything else from you? Before we wrap up for
- 32:55today?
- 32:55Nisha Mody: No, thank you so much for just connecting all
- 32:57these concepts together. I, I had mentioned like, you know,
- 33:00it's a million dollar question. How do we connect all these
- 33:02together? Right? And, yeah, I appreciated how you put it all
- 33:07and wrapped it up beautifully.
- 33:08Shirani Pathak: Thank you so much. It's a joy and a gift and
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