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You Have One Chance to Get This Right | Ben & Jodie Hughes · Heaven & Healing Podcast

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  Every day 120,000 people die not knowing
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  Jesus. 120,000 people go to hell every
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  single day. This is that 120,000 going
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  to hell right now.
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  When we talk about how many are going to
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  hell, people can be overcome with the
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  sense of it's impossible. It's very
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  easy. Revival is the single greatest
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  accelerator of the harvest because
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  people get on fire. Suddenly, you'll
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  step out of your comfort zone to do what
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  comes naturally, [music] which is tell
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  people that Jesus is alive.
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  >> There was never meant to be a version of
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  [music] Christianity that wasn't full of
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  the presence and power and fire of God.
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  People need an encounter, and we owe the
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  world an encounter. [music]
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  >> This was beyond anything I had ever
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  seen. It was just this glorious shining
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  angel. Fear of the Lord came on us. It
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  was just the incredible awe, majesty,
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  and holiness of God. [music] We both
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  knew our lives are never going to be the
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  same. God isn't giving us these tangible
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  encounters, healings, deliverances
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  [music] so that we can just live a
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  comfortable, cozy life. He's giving it
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  to us to be a witness so [music] that we
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  go out and make disciples. He doesn't
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  just save you from things. He saves you
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  for a commission. [music] Across the
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  nations, we have excused ourself from
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  releasing the great commission. Well, if
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  I'm not an evangelist, I don't need to
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  do this. The [music] Holy Spirit speaks
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  to me and he says, "Ben, there's someone
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  here tonight and it's their last chance.
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  Who is that person? I want you to put
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  your hand up right now." [music] This
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  guy raises his hand. I jumped down and I
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  hugged him and prayed for him. And he
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  says to me, I've [music] never felt
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  anything so real. We got all of these
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  messages. How dare you have these
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  gatherings in the middle of co. My
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  question was always, well, what about
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  this guy? What about this guy?
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  >> Hi everyone. Everyone, welcome back to
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  another episode of Heaven and Healing
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  Podcast. I'm really excited because
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  today is actually my first time
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  interviewing two people. I have a
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  husband and wife here. I have
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  revivalists Ben and Jodie Hughes with me
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  all the way from Australia. My daughter
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  was excited. I told her the cast from
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  Blueie was here. So, [laughter] welcome
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  to Tennessee.
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  >> Good day, man.
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  >> Good day. [laughter]
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  >> Well, thank you guys so much uh for have
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  or for joining us today. I would love to
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  start by just hearing a little bit about
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  both of you for anyone that's not
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  familiar kind of like how you both came
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  to know Christ and then we'll just let
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  the conversation flow from there.
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  >> Yeah,
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  >> totally.
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  Kick it off.
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  >> I grew up in New Zealand despite being
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  born in Australia and um you know, no
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  religion, not going to church, anything
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  like that. Um conscious that there there
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  was a God. Um even at 8 years old, I
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  remember my mom saying to me, "Ben, do
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  you believe in God?" I said, "Of course
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  I do, Mom. How else did we get here?"
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  And um I I think back to that and
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  because you know we never went to
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  church. I'd never been to a whole church
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  service in my life but just having some
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  kind of God consciousness.
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  Um terrible childhood. My family life
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  was great. I was bullied very very
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  severely the whole way through school
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  and uh had a lot of rejection as a
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  result of that. Um I was beat up so
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  badly once I had to go see a plastic
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  surgeon. It was it was that bad. And um
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  and that was by the captain of my rugby
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  team and it was only because other kids
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  had pushed us together to try and make
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  us have a fight. And so we had no there
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  was no beef between us. There would you
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  know but he just snapped and this kind
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  of betrayal and you can imagine the
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  level of um of rejection and pain that
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  happened as a result of
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  >> sure as someone that was heavily
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  bullied. Yes.
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  >> Right.
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  >> Yeah. Yeah. And I I remember to this day
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  cuz he upper cut me in the face 11 times
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  while they held me. And uh worse than
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  the physical pain was the shock that the
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  one person that should have been
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  sticking up for me.
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  >> Wow.
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  >> Was the one doing this. And so that's
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  that gives a backstory to the kind of
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  rejection and that that I carried. I'd
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  walk into any room, I'd assume everybody
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  already doesn't like me, you know. Um,
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  but when I was 15 years old, and I'll
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  cut straight to it, a kid walked across
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  my classroom and he invited me to come
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  to this Christian camp at at summer in
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  the summer, which in New Zealand um is
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  at Christmas time. And he asked me,
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  "Ben, do you want to come to this camp
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  with me?" And I said, "Yes." And I went
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  off to this camp. It was on a private um
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  farm in the north of New Zealand. And uh
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  it was a huge sheep farm. And uh for one
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  week every year, Youth for Christ, they
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  turn it into this this their woolshed
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  where they would share all the sheep.
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  They turned it into a a sanctuary
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  basically sitting on hay bales and uh
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  we'd go surfing all day and then at
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  night they'd preach the gospel in this
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  in this woolshed.
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  >> And I heard the gospel preached for the
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  first time and uh I really felt like he
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  was just speaking to me. 1500 young
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  people from 15 to 25. And I was 15
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  sitting on a hay bale and this preacher
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  is preaching his heart out. His name was
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  Bill Subritzky. And um he said, "Hey,
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  look, look, God loves you. Jesus died
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  for you. He's got a plan for your life.
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  He wants to give you a hope and a
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  future. He's chosen you. You need to
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  choose him." And he gave an altar call
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  and sitting on a hay bale, I put my hand
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  up and um he said, "If you put your hand
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  up, come down the front." And I got up
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  off that hay bale, went down to the
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  front of this shed, this barn, and uh
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  standing in the dirt and the hay, I gave
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  my life to Jesus. And while I'm standing
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  there, I felt the tangible love of God
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  flood my whole body physically. I felt
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  the love of God come down over me.
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  >> And while I'm standing there, I I heard
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  the still small voice, what I now know
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  is the still small voice of God. And he
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  said, "Ben,
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  God knows our name." He said, ' Ben, the
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  King of all kings, the creator of the
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  universe loves you, died for you. I've
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  chosen you. I've got a plan for your
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  life. It doesn't matter what anyone else
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  thinks of you.
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  And in that moment, I was delivered from
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  this rejection. And uh the next day, I
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  woke up a different person. I literally
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  was born again. And I came out of the
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  tent. I we slept in tents. So I came out
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  of my tent the next day and I was a
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  different person. I was I felt light,
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  free, clean. I felt like I could fly. I
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  looked around and uh it was like the
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  entire world had been washed. I mean
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  literally it the trees were cleaner,
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  brighter, uh the grass was sparkling,
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  the rocks were shining, and I was like,
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  "Wow, you know, and um and then then
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  there's a I I'll get to this bit. I'm
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  I'm trying to go fast through this, but
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  uh and then there was an announcement.
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  Hey, we're going to have a special
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  meeting for anyone who wants to be
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  baptized in the Holy Spirit at 10:00.
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  >> And I I'm totally unchurched, you know,
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  and so I'm like, I don't know what that
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  is, but I I I want it. I wanted whatever
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  was going cuz it was so real, my
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  encounter. So, shortly later, I'm up in
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  this woolshed again, and they preach out
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  of Acts 18, after the Holy Ghost comes
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  upon you, you shall receive power. M.
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  >> And so I wanted that. I went down the
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  front. I got baptized in the Holy Ghost.
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  Started to speak in tongues. I felt like
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  I was levitating two foot off the
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  ground. The power of God was on me like
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  fire.
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  >> And um I'll let Jody share in a moment.
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  But then the preacher in this meeting,
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  he starts to um move in words and
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  knowledge and he starts to break curses
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  off people. He's like, I break the curse
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  of this and I break the curse of that
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  and I bind this spirit. And and next
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  thing, Angela, like a thousand young
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  people are manifesting demons. And I
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  mean every kind of manifestation you can
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  imagine. They're frothing at the mouth,
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  wriggling like snakes, you know,
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  thrashing on the ground, climbing poles,
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  screaming, shaking. Team members are
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  like, it was like Royal Rumble WWF, WWE.
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  Like, and I'm 15 years old and I'm like,
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  whoa, this is real.
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  >> This is real. And uh from that day, I
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  just knew what I had to do with the rest
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  of my life.
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  >> Wow.
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  >> I was like, I didn't know that Jesus is
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  alive and he's alive and they don't
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  know. And I'm like, everybody's going
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  about their life. Everyone's out here in
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  New Zealand just going about their day,
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  going to work, going to school. They
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  don't know that Jesus is alive. And here
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  I am in this f on this farm in a wool
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  shed. And I've encountered a very real
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  God. Jesus is alive. He loves us and
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  he's powerful.
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  >> And so that was my beginning
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  introduction to Christianity.
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  >> Yeah,
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  >> that's incredible. Now, I want to hear
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  from you too, Jod, how you came to know
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  the Lord. But I just want to say God has
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  been speaking to me so much about
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  rejection.
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  >> Wow.
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  >> It it's I mean, it's no coincidence.
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  There never is with the Lord.
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  um and really getting curious about the
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  root of rejection which is truly the
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  orphan spirit. Okay. And people are
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  where's the orphan spirit in the Bible?
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  Okay. It says
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  >> that we have received this spirit of
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  adoption. So what's the inverse of that
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  is that everyone's walking around with
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  an orphan spirit. And what do they need?
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  >> The spirit of adoption. They need an
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  encounter with the living God. They need
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  to meet the Holy Spirit. They need to be
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  saved by Jesus Christ who's the only one
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  that can save us. So, I'm already like,
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  "Wow,
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  >> I'm really excited to see where this is
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  going to go." Okay. So, let's hear from
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  you, Jody.
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  >> Well, everyone wants to feel like they
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  belong.
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  >> Exactly.
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  >> Everyone's looking for purpose.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> It's just where we find it.
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  >> Yes.
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  >> Well, I'm the opposite of Ben. I grew up
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  very churched. I grew up in the
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  Salvation Army in Australia, which is a
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  church first before a social
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  organization in Australia. And um yeah,
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  great family. Everyone I knew was
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  Christian. I knew God was real. Um
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  however, for me, the journey was really
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  or my journey, it was about knowing that
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  God was real to me and choosing God.
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  >> Interesting.
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  me rather than just everyone I know
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  believes in God.
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  >> I needed to know that I believed in God.
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  >> That's really good.
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  >> And the other half of the story is that
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  I've always been a seer. I've always
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  seen things, but when I was young, I
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  really only saw dark things and I had no
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  language for it, no grid for it. Um the
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  church I grew up in, though they
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  believed in God, was not really, I
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  suppose, supernatural in that sense. So
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  um I was left always thinking what's
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  wrong with me
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  >> and what is going on and I grew up with
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  a lot of fear. So to cut that story
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  really short around the age of 12 I was
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  also very fearful very anxious like many
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  these days and uh I basically got to a
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  point where I didn't want to live. I was
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  scared of everything scared of myself. I
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  hated life. Um I didn't know where to
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  turn to. And when I was in moments of
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  crying out, I would usually only see
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  demonic stuff, even though I didn't even
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  know it was demonic. I just knew there
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  was stuff that was scaring me. And uh
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  one day I didn't want to go to school. I
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  was very scared. I was coming up with a
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  million reasons of how to check out from
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  life. And in that moment, I mean, God is
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  so amazing. In that moment, I literally
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  heard the audible voice of God. He just
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  cut in. And I was in my bedroom alone
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  and uh I heard God's voice and it
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  boomed. A booming voice. Amazing. I
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  didn't have to wonder was it God? I knew
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  immediately that's God's voice. And he
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  simply said to me, "Ask me." And
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  immediately I had this peace. And I
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  suddenly was like, "All right, God. I'm
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  asking." And in a moment, I felt, the
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  only way I can describe it is I felt
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  this like thick honey warm
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  substance start at my head and start to
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  go down my entire body. I'm only 12 at
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  this point. And everywhere the substance
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  fell, started to move. It was like all
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  the fear, I could feel it going down me.
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  like fear started to lift off my head,
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  anxiety started to go, stress started to
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  go, and I suddenly just felt this warm
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  love.
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  >> I believe the Holy Spirit was entering
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  my body at that point, right? But I had
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  no language for that, but it just went
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  down my entire body. And I'm all of a
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  sudden just sitting there going,
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  >> "God's real. He's real." And this is to
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  a 12-year-old. Again, I had no language,
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  but suddenly I knew God's greater than
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  the darkness. God's bigger than all the
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  stuff that was fearing, you know,
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  causing me to be in fear and causing me
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  to be in anxiety. Obviously, there was a
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  long journey after that of continually
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  having to choose God. But that was a
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  marker moment for me where I suddenly
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  knew God's real. He's bigger than the
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  devil. He's more powerful than the
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  demonic realm. And that I can trust him
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  and that he loves me and his love is
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  tangible. Hey, quick interruption
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  you over there. Amen. Yeah. So good. The
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  enemy really comes after people with the
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  like death assignment with the bullying
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  thing
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  >> starting at a young age.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> And I think it's especially
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  prominent with people that have a
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  prophetic call whether that be of office
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  or just you know the gift of prophecy.
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  >> Have you noticed that?
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  >> Yes.
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  >> Absolutely.
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  >> Always. And particularly in a just the
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  perversion of the gift, you know, trying
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  to destroy destroy the gift, especially
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  for Jody and the whole sea thing, you
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  know, just attacking her with demonic
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  assignment after assignment especially.
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  And um you know, I look back at my life
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  cuz, you know, it's not like when I
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  being beaten up over and over again.
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  It's not like I was a bad kid. I wasn't
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  antagonizing people. I wasn't walking
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  around calling people names or baiting
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  it. I would just get beat up. I would
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  just I you know I'm
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  >> I'm I finished the manuscript for my
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  book and I remember like writing about
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  this part. I said it's like I would just
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  walk into a room
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  >> and there was no reason.
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  >> There was no reason other than the fact
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  that I had entered that there was a
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  target there.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> It's really interesting.
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  >> Me too.
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  >> The devil doesn't play fair.
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  >> He hates us.
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  >> Yeah. and he's determined to make sure
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  that we hate ourselves because then we
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  will end our life and we will not walk
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  in the call on our life. Thank God he's
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  powerful and he breaks in.
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  >> Amen. Absolutely. So, how did you two
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  meet?
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  >> So, we met at YWAM. So, when I finished
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  school, which is youth with a missionw
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  [laughter]
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  um it's not youth without any money,
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  although that is one of the things.
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  [laughter] But, um yeah, young uh what?
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  Youth with a mission. Youth with a
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  mission. the mission. And uh so when I
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  was 18 uh I finished school, you know, I
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  I knew I just had to go do something
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  full-time and and uh I actually took a
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  friend I dropped a friend off at the
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  airport and met this guy that was at the
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  camp where I got saved and he' just come
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  back from India and he's like this is
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  what you should do. And so 13 days later
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  I shipped off, left home, went to WWAM.
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  Um and so you go and do this disciplehip
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  training school is how you start 6
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  months and you do 3 months of lectures
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  and then 3 months of usually
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  international outreach. And so on the
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  very first day I arrived um and it was
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  on a farm in New Zealand again um out in
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  the middle of nowhere
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  >> and it was around the time um you may be
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  a little bit too young I don't know but
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  Waco Texas the whole thing that was
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  happening in Waco and and I remember um
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  the David Caresh c and I remember
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  pulling up at this farm out in the
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  middle of nowhere I was like oh my gosh
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  I've come to Waco Texas
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  >> I thought the same thing [laughter]
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  though when we pulled up I'm like where
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  are we
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  >> and but it turns out yeah the very First
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  day I got there, I've been there five
• 16:41
  minutes and this this bouncy blonde
• 16:45
  Aussie like Tigger comes comes bounding
• 16:48
  up and he's like, "Hi, I'm Jade." And so
• 16:50
  we we met on the very first day of that
• 16:52
  and she'd come from Sydney.
• 16:53
  >> Yeah.
• 16:54
  >> Um and so yeah, we got on like a house
• 16:56
  on fire and uh
• 16:58
  >> that was it. After that, we were both
• 17:00
  invited to work at YM at the national
• 17:02
  office
• 17:03
  >> and um so we took that seriously and we
• 17:05
  got married. So
• 17:06
  >> praise [laughter] God. Yeah. And now you
• 17:08
  just do this together full-time. So what
• 17:10
  when I say do this, like can you
• 17:12
  elaborate just for the audience what
• 17:13
  exactly it is that you do?
• 17:14
  >> Yeah.
• 17:15
  >> So we have a ministry called Por It Out
• 17:17
  Ministries. So So that was in 1995. So
• 17:20
  we have basically
• 17:21
  >> 1995.
• 17:22
  >> Yeah. In full-time ministry. You were
• 17:23
  one. Yeah.
• 17:24
  >> Goodness me.
• 17:25
  >> We've been in ministry.
• 17:26
  >> Way to make me feel old.
• 17:28
  >> No, I [laughter] I don't It's because I
• 17:30
  just think it's amazing
• 17:32
  >> um how long you both have been
• 17:34
  >> Yeah. serving the Lord
• 17:36
  >> and it's still like
• 17:38
  >> just your your presence and your your
• 17:40
  energy for the Lord now. It's like
• 17:43
  you're on fire. Like the fire hasn't
• 17:45
  gone out. It's been 30 years.
• 17:46
  >> Come on.
• 17:47
  >> Yeah.
• 17:47
  >> That's I think like to me that's very
• 17:49
  inspiring especially with you in
• 17:51
  particular because you said you grew up
• 17:52
  in the church. You know, obviously I
• 17:55
  have a background no church either. I've
• 17:56
  only been saved for 5 years but I'm
• 17:58
  raising little disciples. Yes. And so
• 18:01
  for me to like see my own daughter in
• 18:04
  that sort of story like that she's going
• 18:06
  to grow up in the church and to see what
• 18:09
  can happen.
• 18:10
  >> Yeah. I just love it. So
• 18:12
  >> you're not all sorry. [laughter]
• 18:14
  >> No. Well, our daughter too, I'm
• 18:16
  interrupting so hold your thought. But
• 18:18
  we've always just had a conviction and I
• 18:20
  know everyone's got their own journeys
• 18:22
  and you got to raise your kids the way
• 18:24
  the Lord leads you, right? But we've had
• 18:25
  a conviction to just make it real.
• 18:28
  >> Just make it real. our kids, our
• 18:30
  daughter who's here today, like she
• 18:33
  needs to experience and did the presence
• 18:35
  of God.
• 18:36
  >> Amen.
• 18:37
  >> We don't need to turn it into a a fairy
• 18:39
  tale.
• 18:40
  >> If God's real, then a 2-year-old can
• 18:42
  feel him.
• 18:43
  >> Yeah.
• 18:43
  >> And so, we've always included her in
• 18:45
  everything from
• 18:47
  >> the youngest age. And one of the things
• 18:48
  we learned the most at WWAM, one of the
• 18:51
  things that they're really good at,
• 18:52
  well, two things is hearing the voice of
• 18:53
  God and faith and finances. Those are
• 18:56
  two of the kind of foundational things.
• 18:58
  And so we were just determined that
• 19:00
  every time we prayed, Key was going to
• 19:02
  be a part of that, our daughter Key. And
• 19:03
  so we taught her how to hear God's
• 19:05
  voice. We prayed together as a family.
• 19:07
  And
• 19:07
  >> well, and we expected her to answer back
• 19:09
  what God was saying, and we took that on
• 19:11
  board. Many of our major decisions.
• 19:14
  Yeah. Came from our six-year-old at the
• 19:16
  time saying, "I heard this." And we'd be
• 19:18
  like,
• 19:18
  >> "Whoa,
• 19:19
  >> wow."
• 19:20
  >> And but that I think for anyone
• 19:22
  listening, it just came from an
• 19:24
  expectation that there's no junior Holy
• 19:26
  Spirit. Amen. I love that. Sorry, I
• 19:30
  didn't mean to cut you off.
• 19:32
  >> Pour it out ministries. [laughter]
• 19:33
  >> Pour it out. Well, see, so we'd been in
• 19:35
  ministry together about 14 years. So,
• 19:38
  we'd been on staff at a mega church for
• 19:40
  5 years. We'd pastoed our own small
• 19:42
  church and we came to a point when
• 19:44
  >> in the midst of all of that where we
• 19:46
  were just like so desperate for more and
• 19:48
  the real of God because of the nature of
• 19:51
  how I'd gotten saved. I got saved into a
• 19:53
  real Holy Ghost revival atmosphere, the
• 19:55
  power of God presence, miracles, demons,
• 19:58
  the whole thing. And then we're kind of
• 20:01
  wrapped up in this very kind of um
• 20:04
  seeker friendly type environment. And
• 20:05
  we're like, God, we just know there's
• 20:07
  more. We just want the real thing. We
• 20:09
  actually went through a little season
• 20:10
  where we're like, "Well, is it is it
• 20:12
  that we're supposed to be doing home
• 20:13
  church, you know, is like the emerging
• 20:15
  church? Is is it is it because that
• 20:17
  church is not supposed to look like
• 20:19
  this?" And the Lord took us on a bit of
• 20:21
  a journey. It was like, "No, it's not
• 20:22
  about the form. It's all about the
• 20:23
  heart, you know." Wow.
• 20:25
  >> There's home churches that are really
• 20:26
  bad and there's mega churches that are
• 20:29
  really awesome. Yeah.
• 20:31
  >> You know, it's not about the form, it's
• 20:32
  all about the heart. But but we just
• 20:35
  went into a season for five months where
• 20:37
  we prayed and prayed and prayed and
• 20:40
  fasted 4 to eight hours every day. And
• 20:43
  um I was actually I had one year I
• 20:45
  worked at a Christian radio station in
• 20:47
  the midst of in between pastoring this
• 20:49
  church. And um and so even in the midst
• 20:52
  of a 9 toive job, we were still 4 to
• 20:54
  eight hours every day and just crying
• 20:56
  out to God for more. God, we know
• 20:58
  there's more. There's got to be more.
• 21:00
  There's got to be more. And even in the
• 21:02
  midst of that, all this bad stuff was
• 21:03
  happening. We were still actually
• 21:05
  leading, co-leading another church at
• 21:07
  the time. And um and all this bad
• 21:10
  leadership stuff happening, people being
• 21:12
  exposed. This is way back in 2008 and n
• 21:16
  um friends were getting divorced. We
• 21:18
  were seeing all the bad stuff. And we
• 21:20
  never wanted to quit, but we got to this
• 21:22
  point where we're like, God, I just
• 21:24
  don't know if I can keep going.
• 21:26
  >> I don't want to quit, but I just don't
• 21:28
  know if I can just keep going. And this
• 21:30
  is like boot after boot after boot. And
• 21:32
  [snorts] one night we went to a revival
• 21:35
  meeting. There was a revivalist there
• 21:37
  who now we're actually pretty good
• 21:38
  friends with. And uh he was from
• 21:40
  America. This was in Australia. And um
• 21:43
  we walked in the back of the room and
• 21:44
  the two of us just knew what we needed
• 21:46
  to do. We we went down the front to the
• 21:48
  altar. There was about 700 people. We
• 21:51
  threw ourselves on the altar and we just
• 21:52
  said, "God, we just say yes. We just
• 21:55
  give you our yes again. We give you our
• 21:57
  yes. no conditions. not we'll say yes if
• 22:01
  you do this or God will serve you if you
• 22:03
  give us this much money or you do this
• 22:06
  for us or it was just like God you've
• 22:07
  just got our yes
• 22:10
  our yes in the midst of it hurting
• 22:13
  >> cuz sometimes you want to get through
• 22:14
  the hurt or it just not hurt anymore and
• 22:17
  we just felt convicted in that moment
• 22:19
  too of God saying
• 22:21
  >> this is ministry
• 22:23
  will you still say yes
• 22:27
  >> so about a week or two later I can't
• 22:29
  remember exactly how long. About a week
• 22:31
  or two later, a friend of ours that
• 22:33
  we've just been with in Peru, he said to
• 22:35
  us, he said, "If you ever get visited by
• 22:38
  an angel, make sure you ask its name and
• 22:40
  its mission." And he invited us. He
• 22:43
  said, "Look, I want you guys to come
• 22:44
  travel with me. Come minister with me."
• 22:46
  And I've always been a worship leader,
• 22:47
  and we'd been leading worship for some
• 22:49
  meetings with him. And and he invited us
• 22:52
  to come travel full-time. And so the
• 22:54
  three of us, our daughter and ourselves,
• 22:55
  we got together and we prayed and we
• 22:57
  said, "God, is this you?" and we heard
• 22:59
  nothing. And that was really unusual for
• 23:01
  us to not hear.
• 23:02
  >> And we were disappointed. We went to bed
• 23:04
  that night and um 12:30 that night,
• 23:07
  suddenly I wake up with this intense
• 23:12
  power surging up and down my body. And I
• 23:15
  literally wake up screaming. I mean,
• 23:18
  full on at the top of my lungs
• 23:21
  screaming. And um while I'm screaming,
• 23:24
  Jod's lying next to me and she's hitting
• 23:27
  me and she's like, "Ben, Ben, Ben,
• 23:30
  there's [clears throat] an angel.
• 23:30
  There's an angel. There's an angel." And
• 23:32
  I'm screaming. I'm like, "I KNOW. I
• 23:34
  KNOW. I KNOW." AND SHE'S SCREAMING. And
• 23:37
  there was an angel.
• 23:38
  >> Yeah. There's literally an angel
• 23:40
  standing on the end of our bed. I saw it
• 23:42
  first asleep. I opened my eyes. I can
• 23:44
  still see it. And um
• 23:48
  even as I said, I'm have I am a seer. I
• 23:50
  have seen things. But this was beyond
• 23:53
  anything I had ever seen. It was just
• 23:55
  this glorious white bright shining angel
• 24:00
  standing on the end of our bed. There
• 24:02
  was a very intense look in his face. Um
• 24:06
  I knew this wasn't some fluffy
• 24:07
  encounter. I I immediately knew like
• 24:11
  fear of the Lord came on us and it was
• 24:14
  this sense of knowing if we do anything
• 24:15
  wrong, this thing could kill us. And I
• 24:18
  don't mean a fear like a horror fear. It
• 24:20
  was just the incredible awe, majesty,
• 24:24
  and holiness of God. And I suddenly
• 24:27
  knew, we both knew without saying a
• 24:29
  word, our lives are never going to be
• 24:30
  the same.
• 24:31
  >> We've been visited by an encounter with
• 24:35
  God.
• 24:36
  >> So, we both screamed at the top of our
• 24:37
  lungs and then this angel was gone like
• 24:40
  that. after the angel actually left then
• 24:43
  it's like another whole encounter
• 24:45
  happened and it's like the fear of the
• 24:47
  Lord came in the room
• 24:49
  >> in a very very tangible way. So we were
• 24:51
  already screaming
• 24:52
  >> but then this fear of the Lord fell in
• 24:55
  the room and then we were frozen.
• 24:57
  >> We were like
• 24:58
  >> I was afraid to breathe. I honestly
• 25:00
  thought if I breathe I'm going to
• 25:02
  explode.
• 25:03
  >> Like I felt like if I move my finger I'm
• 25:05
  going to just literally explode. And um
• 25:09
  and after a little while it's occurring
• 25:11
  to me. I'm like, Jim only just said
• 25:14
  tonight, if you ever get visited by an
• 25:17
  angel, make sure you ask its name and
• 25:19
  its mission. And all we did was scream.
• 25:22
  [laughter]
• 25:23
  >> And I was like,
• 25:23
  >> now we understand the Bible.
• 25:25
  >> Do not fear. We were like, yeah.
• 25:27
  >> Yeah. People often question that, you
• 25:29
  know, and people have commented all
• 25:31
  kinds of crazy stuff. But I'm like,
• 25:33
  listen, when an angel shows up like
• 25:34
  that, every single time in the Bible,
• 25:36
  the angel says, "Do not fear." Because
• 25:38
  they're all frozen suddenly. They're on
• 25:39
  the ground. They're afraid.
• 25:40
  >> But we're nothing.
• 25:42
  >> God is holy.
• 25:44
  >> Like,
• 25:44
  >> yeah. And you wake up with this massive
• 25:46
  thing. And and people say, "Yeah." Well,
• 25:48
  like it was 10t tall and yes, the
• 25:50
  ceiling was only 8t tall in our room and
• 25:52
  it was standing on our bed, but somehow
• 25:55
  the ceiling kind of like disappears. And
• 25:57
  uh it's a superal
• 25:58
  >> supernatural encounter.
• 26:00
  >> It didn't make sense in the natural. It
• 26:02
  was supernatural.
• 26:04
  >> And so I prayed and and and I'm like,
• 26:06
  "God, please send it back or
• 26:08
  >> what did you want to say to us? What was
• 26:10
  that all about?" And very clearly I hear
• 26:12
  the Lord say, "Zechariah 4:11." I had no
• 26:15
  idea what it said. And I opened up a
• 26:17
  Bible and I looked at it and it said,
• 26:19
  "Then I asked the angel." I was like,
• 26:21
  "Whoa, okay." [laughter]
• 26:23
  Then I asked the angel, "What are these
• 26:25
  two that stand beside uh these golden
• 26:28
  pipes and um pouring out golden oil?" He
• 26:30
  says, "Do you not know?" And he says,
• 26:32
  "No, my lord." And he says, "These are
• 26:33
  the two who are of anointed to serve the
• 26:35
  Lord of all the earth." And of course,
• 26:37
  that hit me like a Rama word. And yes,
• 26:40
  people have also assumed that I mean
• 26:42
  that Zechariah was prophesying about us.
• 26:44
  I'm not saying that at all. But God used
• 26:46
  this
• 26:48
  >> as a word to us. Hey, I'm calling you.
• 26:50
  I've anointed you. And the context was
• 26:52
  is we were asking God, do you want us to
• 26:54
  be stepping out again into ministry? And
• 26:56
  I switched over to the the message for
• 26:58
  some reason. I just did. And the message
• 27:00
  translation put us like these are the
• 27:02
  two who I've called to pour out golden
• 27:03
  lamp oil worldwide. And um so the
• 27:06
  picture is these two olive trees. They
• 27:08
  have these golden pipes coming from the
• 27:09
  olive trees. And the olive oil, the
• 27:12
  anointing oil flows down to a lampstand
• 27:14
  which always represents it's like the
• 27:16
  church, the burning church. It's like
• 27:18
  keep that fire burning in the church.
• 27:21
  And the Lord spoke and he said start a
• 27:23
  ministry. Call it Pour It Out
• 27:24
  Ministries.
• 27:26
  >> So this pouring out of the oil and um so
• 27:30
  overnight our lives changed literally
• 27:33
  changed. Um not only did our lives
• 27:35
  change, we changed. We we became
• 27:38
  revivalists, you know. And
• 27:40
  >> also that that lingering fear of the
• 27:42
  Lord, it literally fell on us and stayed
• 27:46
  on us for months afterwards in a very
• 27:49
  tangible way. even to the point where um
• 27:52
  for for weeks we barely spoke a word
• 27:54
  even to each other. Um I can distinctly
• 27:57
  remember driving down the highway one
• 27:59
  day and and looking at Ben and saying,
• 28:01
  "Ben, am I going crazy?" Because every
• 28:04
  word I um I thought about God was
• 28:08
  recalibrating us. Like even to say to
• 28:10
  Ben, "How are you?" This sounds weird
• 28:13
  now, but at the time I was like, "Do I
• 28:16
  even mean that?
• 28:18
  >> Do I even care? Do I care how he is? I
• 28:20
  better say nothing. Every word was um
• 28:24
  being filtered by the Lord. And he was I
• 28:26
  know now, again, we didn't have language
• 28:29
  back then. I mean, I tear up thinking
• 28:30
  about it, but I know the Lord was um
• 28:34
  really washing our hearts and filtering
• 28:36
  our hearts and saying, "If you're going
• 28:38
  to do this, if we're stepping into
• 28:40
  another level of ministry, you need to
• 28:42
  have another level of fear of the Lord
• 28:44
  here. life can't just carry on where it
• 28:47
  doesn't matter where we take our words
• 28:49
  so lightly. It matters what we say. It
• 28:51
  matters what we think. It matters how we
• 28:53
  act. And um
• 28:56
  >> in some ways we're jealous of that even
• 28:58
  now because it changed our lives, that
• 29:02
  encounter.
• 29:03
  >> We knew God was real. We knew holiness
• 29:06
  mattered. We knew character mattered. We
• 29:08
  knew serving him was the only thing that
• 29:10
  mattered. So we'd moved from one side of
• 29:12
  the country, we'd moved from Perth,
• 29:14
  Western Australia, all the way to
• 29:16
  Brisbane on the east coast. So it's as
• 29:19
  far as LA to New York. So right before
• 29:21
  this, that's how far we'd moved. And no
• 29:24
  one knew who we were. Total obscurity
• 29:27
  >> to overnight being invited all around
• 29:30
  the world.
• 29:32
  >> I'd get emails. I'm like, how do they
• 29:33
  even know who we are? Inviting us to
• 29:35
  come and minister and come and lead
• 29:37
  worship. And very quickly the Lord I we
• 29:40
  found ourselves in rooms. We'd be like
• 29:42
  how on earth did we get here? How do we
• 29:45
  how are we in this in this getting
• 29:47
  invited?
• 29:47
  >> Started breaking out too. Like we'd be
• 29:49
  standing there and suddenly like
• 29:52
  people are being healed. Supernatural
• 29:53
  encounters are going on and we'd be like
• 29:56
  >> what's happening God?
• 29:58
  >> So that was in 2009 and that was the
• 30:00
  beginning of Pour It Out Ministries. So
• 30:03
  that's now 17 years ago. Is that right?
• 30:05
  17 years ago. Yeah. And uh yeah, we've
• 30:09
  been doing that now ever since.
• 30:11
  >> I love that in that chapter though is
• 30:13
  the verse, it's not by might, it's not
• 30:15
  by power, it's by my spirit in Zechariah
• 30:19
  4. And uh
• 30:21
  >> it's been a a guiding verse for us ever
• 30:24
  since that
• 30:25
  >> it really isn't our might. It's not our
• 30:28
  power. And for everyone who's listening,
• 30:29
  for all of us, it's not our might. It's
• 30:30
  not our power.
• 30:32
  >> It's by his spirit. M
• 30:33
  >> and what he's looking for, I believe, in
• 30:35
  this season is people who truly will
• 30:37
  say, "We need your spirit, God. We need
• 30:40
  you to show up, cuz it's not about us.
• 30:43
  It's about you." I'm not like I'm not
• 30:45
  often I mean, I have a podcast. I'm not
• 30:47
  often like short for words
• 30:50
  >> that
• 30:52
  that like took my breath away truly.
• 30:54
  Like there's something on that. And also
• 30:57
  uh you know the Lord kind of I've told
• 31:00
  this story before. I won't tell it again
• 31:01
  but just very briefly when I was in the
• 31:04
  occult I used to see 41 everywhere. That
• 31:06
  was like my number [clears throat] when
• 31:08
  I got saved I asked God I don't want to
• 31:10
  see it anymore. Please stop. Like I
• 31:12
  don't want to see it because I thought
• 31:13
  anything supernatural was the devil.
• 31:15
  Even
• 31:16
  >> the experience of God.
• 31:17
  >> Interesting. Um within the last year I
• 31:20
  started seeing 41s again and I' I've
• 31:23
  just there's been like a confirmation
• 31:25
  the way it's presented to me that like
• 31:27
  this is a redemption and this is also
• 31:29
  like a hindsight like even when you were
• 31:31
  there I was with you
• 31:33
  >> and you just said that verse is
• 31:35
  >> there's a 41 in that which is that's
• 31:37
  crazy. So
• 31:39
  >> that's awesome. I love that. Well, that
• 31:41
  that is I mean I don't you probably
• 31:43
  don't know, but one of Jod's books, she
• 31:45
  literally wrote a whole book about God
• 31:47
  speaking through signs and wonders and
• 31:49
  unusual signs and and numbers, you know,
• 31:51
  it's one of the things that she's
• 31:52
  actually really known for.
• 31:54
  >> Um
• 31:55
  >> in a redemptive way in a God biblical
• 31:58
  way, obviously.
• 32:00
  >> There's there's a book in the Bible
• 32:01
  called Numbers.
• 32:01
  >> Exactly.
• 32:02
  >> Yeah. And God God
• 32:05
  will get your attention.
• 32:07
  And if you know, you know, you know,
• 32:09
  like and
• 32:10
  >> so often people just even like, you
• 32:12
  know, 11-11 or 2222
• 32:14
  can wake up night after night at 11:11
• 32:17
  or, you know, you just feel like you're
• 32:19
  being chased down by something. And
• 32:21
  sometimes it can be a rainbow. Sometimes
• 32:23
  it can be a Bible verse, whatever it is.
• 32:25
  But the Lord's trying to
• 32:28
  >> the Lord's just he will speak to us
• 32:30
  >> as a respector of
• 32:31
  >> however he wants to to get through to
• 32:34
  someone's heart.
• 32:35
  >> For sure. 100%.
• 32:37
  >> Um, thank you for sharing all of that. I
• 32:39
  want to ask because I I feel like it's
• 32:41
  such a buzz word, you know, like
• 32:42
  revival, revival. So, what how do you
• 32:44
  define that?
• 32:46
  >> Yeah. You know, I I def well, first of
• 32:49
  all, revival really is a thing, you
• 32:52
  know, it's not just a type of meeting.
• 32:55
  It's [snorts] not just um I mean, there
• 32:57
  are definitely styles of meetings like
• 32:59
  we because we'd say, "Hey, this is a
• 33:00
  revival meeting." What do you mean by
• 33:02
  that? We mean this is a meeting where
• 33:03
  we're really going to go after the
• 33:05
  presence of God. We're going to flow.
• 33:06
  We're going to pray for people. We might
• 33:08
  not preach. It's definitely going to be
• 33:10
  that style of a meeting, you know.
• 33:12
  >> Um but that doesn't mean it's revival.
• 33:15
  So re revival for me is best described
• 33:17
  like a fire, you know, and and you know,
• 33:21
  a a fire when it's lit and it's actually
• 33:24
  it's actually fully lit and it's like
• 33:26
  self-contained. It's burning now. And so
• 33:29
  we spend a lot of time basically trying
• 33:31
  to light the fire, you know, get as a
• 33:33
  worship leader, as a preacher, like
• 33:35
  shifting the atmosphere in a room,
• 33:37
  bringing it to that place where actually
• 33:39
  there's this fire burning and the spirit
• 33:41
  of God has been poured out. The
• 33:42
  atmosphere has shifted. All of the
• 33:44
  demonic stuff is shifted out of the
• 33:46
  room. People are in this place of praise
• 33:48
  and boom, there's like this light, this
• 33:50
  fire that catches and you can kind of
• 33:53
  feel like the spirit of revival come
• 33:54
  into the room. And um so you know we we
• 33:58
  actually we've hosted several revivals.
• 34:00
  We had one revival that went for 18
• 34:01
  months in Australia.
• 34:03
  >> Wow.
• 34:03
  >> And um that became known as the
• 34:05
  Pineapple Revival. So that was like we
• 34:06
  went 6 months every night. Uh you know
• 34:09
  thousands of people came you know um and
• 34:12
  so and we but we'd contended for that
• 34:14
  you know like so that's a whole thing by
• 34:16
  itself. But [clears throat] so revival I
• 34:19
  simply define as when there's this
• 34:21
  outpouring of the Holy Spirit and
• 34:23
  there's a fire that is just burning. And
• 34:26
  when that's happening, people are
• 34:27
  coming. People begin to get uh to be
• 34:29
  drawn from all over the place. And um
• 34:33
  Jesus gets really real.
• 34:35
  >> Brings dead things back to life.
• 34:38
  >> That's what when you say revival, I
• 34:39
  think of like resurrection.
• 34:41
  >> Yeah.
• 34:42
  >> Well, there's [clears throat] all kinds
• 34:43
  of words, you know, and people are like,
• 34:44
  "Well, we don't need revival. we need
• 34:46
  reformation or we don't need
• 34:47
  reformation, we need outpouring or we
• 34:49
  don't need outpouring, we need renewal
• 34:51
  or I'm like I don't care what you call
• 34:52
  it.
• 34:52
  >> We need Jesus.
• 34:53
  >> We just need Jesus. We need the actual
• 34:55
  spirit of God to show up in power.
• 34:58
  >> And um and and you know like there's
• 35:02
  there's good meetings and then there's
• 35:03
  revival and those are not the same
• 35:05
  thing.
• 35:06
  >> Good meetings are better than bad
• 35:07
  meetings, but there's also when it's
• 35:10
  like revival has a sound. It has a has a
• 35:13
  life of its own. And um
• 35:16
  >> when revival hits somewhere,
• 35:18
  >> you don't have to ask, "Is this
• 35:21
  revival?"
• 35:21
  >> Wow.
• 35:22
  >> People know.
• 35:24
  >> Yeah.
• 35:24
  >> When God's when God spoke to me, ask me.
• 35:26
  I didn't have to ask, "Is this God?"
• 35:28
  >> I knew it was God. When God's breaking
• 35:31
  out in someone's room in their life,
• 35:34
  they don't have to wonder, "Is it God?"
• 35:36
  They know. When a move of God is
• 35:39
  breaking out, not just a good meeting. I
• 35:41
  mean, God stepping in a room. People
• 35:43
  know your insides reverberate.
• 35:46
  >> Like when the angel stood on the end of
• 35:48
  our bed and we're having an encounter
• 35:50
  with the presence of God in such a
• 35:52
  weighty way. You're not sitting there
• 35:53
  having an intellectual argument. Is this
• 35:55
  God? You're sitting there going, "Oh,
• 35:57
  woe is me. Have mercy on me, God." And
• 36:00
  when revival breaks out,
• 36:02
  there is a fire. There's electricity.
• 36:05
  There's power. There's this tangible
• 36:06
  substance. People are aware I'm in the
• 36:09
  presence of the living God. And all the
• 36:11
  arguments about what is revival, where
• 36:13
  is God, where's his moving go out the
• 36:15
  door when there's that level of God's
• 36:17
  power showing up in our midst. It
• 36:19
  happened in the first great awakening,
• 36:21
  the second great awakening. You've got
• 36:22
  us on our groove now. It happened in the
• 36:24
  the Hebes revival. It has happened all
• 36:27
  throughout history. It happened in the
• 36:29
  Bible in the upper room when they came
• 36:31
  out and suddenly 3,000 people show up
• 36:33
  and get saved.
• 36:33
  >> And then it happened two chapters later
• 36:35
  in Acts chapter 4. Exactly. People say,
• 36:37
  "Where's revival in the Bible?" It
• 36:38
  actually happened in Acts chapter 4, two
• 36:40
  chapters after Acts chapter 2.
• 36:41
  >> Yeah. When God is showing up with that
• 36:44
  level of power and presence,
• 36:47
  >> the arguments go and simply faces fall
• 36:50
  on the ground.
• 36:51
  >> Yes.
• 36:52
  >> See, when I think of that word revival,
• 36:54
  like for me, that's what it is is the
• 36:57
  book of Acts, like revived. Because I I
• 37:00
  think the church has
• 37:02
  >> allowed just the supernatural element of
• 37:05
  Christianity which it shouldn't be an
• 37:07
  element. It should be a part of the
• 37:09
  whole thing because we serve a
• 37:10
  supernatural God.
• 37:11
  >> Yeah.
• 37:12
  >> Has just like let it get like squandered
• 37:14
  and squashed. And I talk about this
• 37:16
  almost every video I record because I
• 37:18
  come from the occult that I just wonder
• 37:21
  like people like my former self if they
• 37:24
  could walk into something like they
• 37:26
  would never go back to their deck of
• 37:27
  cards.
• 37:28
  >> Absolutely.
• 37:29
  That's why this is so important.
• 37:31
  >> Absolutely. [snorts] And that's what
• 37:32
  we're we are really really passionate
• 37:34
  about that
• 37:35
  >> people need an encounter and we owe the
• 37:37
  world an encounter. There was never
• 37:39
  meant to be a version of Christianity
• 37:41
  that wasn't full of the presence and
• 37:43
  power and fire of God.
• 37:45
  >> You know Jesus Jesus when he gave the
• 37:47
  great commission, right? So here he is.
• 37:48
  He's raised from the dead,
• 37:50
  >> right? They're all like amazed.
• 37:52
  Obviously Jesus has risen from the dead.
• 37:55
  He's with them for 40 days. He's walking
• 37:57
  through walls. He's doing all this kind
• 37:58
  of crazy stuff. We know that the number
• 38:01
  one mission given to the church. And
• 38:03
  what Jesus wanted more than anything,
• 38:05
  he's like, "Go into all the world,
• 38:07
  preach the gospel to every creature." In
• 38:10
  other words, go and tell the whole world
• 38:12
  about me. But then he says, "But wait in
• 38:15
  Jerusalem until you are clothed with
• 38:18
  power from on high." Right? So, we know
• 38:21
  his the number one thing he wanted was
• 38:23
  for them for tell the whole world, tell
• 38:25
  everybody, but don't do it until you've
• 38:28
  got till the Holy Spirit has actually
• 38:29
  come. The Holy Spirit's going to come
• 38:30
  and he's going to light you up, right?
• 38:33
  And so, right from the beginning, there
• 38:35
  was always Christianity was always
• 38:37
  supposed to be full of the fire, full of
• 38:40
  the power. Acts 18 says, Jesus said,
• 38:42
  "After the Holy Ghost has come upon you,
• 38:44
  you shall receive power and you will be
• 38:47
  my witnesses." It's a comma. After the
• 38:50
  Holy Ghost has come upon you, you shall
• 38:51
  receive power, comma, power for what?
• 38:54
  And you will be my witnesses. And we've
• 38:56
  even religiousized the word witness.
• 38:59
  Right? We say, let's go witnessing. I
• 39:01
  don't know if you've ever heard that.
• 39:02
  It's
• 39:02
  >> like, what does that what does that even
• 39:04
  mean? Let's go witness. Well, a witness
• 39:05
  is somebody who has seen, heard, felt,
• 39:08
  experienced something. If you haven't
• 39:11
  seen, heard, felt, experienced. You
• 39:13
  can't be a witness. Like, you don't get
• 39:15
  on the stand and say, "What did you
• 39:16
  see?" Nothing. What did you hear?
• 39:18
  Nothing. What have you experienced?
• 39:19
  nothing. No, a witness is like, I I met
• 39:22
  Jesus. I encountered Jesus. I've seen
• 39:24
  his power. He changed my heart. He broke
• 39:27
  every chain. He healed me. This is what
• 39:29
  I've seen. This is what I've
• 39:30
  encountered. This is what I've
• 39:31
  experienced him do. And and and I know
• 39:34
  that Jesus so wanted when we tell people
• 39:37
  about him, he wanted them to encounter
• 39:39
  him.
• 39:39
  >> When we talk to someone in the
• 39:41
  supermarket about Jesus, he wants us to
• 39:43
  be filled with the Holy Spirit so that
• 39:45
  it's anointed that people experience him
• 39:47
  in the telling, you know. Wow. 100%.
• 39:51
  >> Tell me about some of the things that
• 39:53
  you have experienced in these like
• 39:56
  revival meetings. Well, we've just got
• 39:58
  back from Peru where
• 40:00
  >> literally two days ago,
• 40:01
  >> literally where we did um outside
• 40:03
  crusades, saw thousands get saved,
• 40:05
  hundreds and hundreds of miracles. Um it
• 40:08
  was actually literally
• 40:11
  wild. But one encounter that we had is
• 40:14
  um we prayed for a lady who came to the
• 40:16
  meeting and for 3 weeks to cut it very
• 40:18
  short and for 3 weeks she'd been
• 40:20
  experiencing um
• 40:23
  [gasps]
• 40:24
  demonic manifestations. She was almost
• 40:26
  like rigamortis.
• 40:27
  >> She'd go into this like full-on
• 40:29
  catatonic state where she was like
• 40:31
  frozen and her head was down and
• 40:33
  >> like this and she couldn't lift her
• 40:35
  head. She couldn't speak and she was
• 40:36
  like cold and clammy to the touch. It
• 40:38
  was literally like she was dead standing
• 40:41
  up
• 40:41
  >> and she came and she got worse actually
• 40:43
  in the meetings and we prayed for her
• 40:45
  and it took a while to break and then um
• 40:48
  you might want to share how that broke
• 40:50
  and then I'll add something to it.
• 40:51
  >> Yeah. Well, I was just like so when when
• 40:53
  you're praying for deliverance for
• 40:54
  someone, you know, sometimes um it just
• 40:57
  happens straight away. Sometimes it
• 40:59
  manifests. It comes out come out in the
• 41:00
  name of Jesus. And then other times it's
• 41:01
  like,
• 41:02
  >> okay, this thing's not budging. And so
• 41:04
  I'm like, "Holy Spirit, what is this?
• 41:07
  What is going on here? I need because
• 41:09
  sometimes and this is just purely
• 41:11
  experience. Sometimes you need to be
• 41:13
  able to name what it is.
• 41:15
  >> Yeah.
• 41:15
  >> You know, and I'm like, what is this
• 41:17
  God? What is this Holy Spirit? And the
• 41:18
  Holy Spirit says
• 41:19
  >> like stone.
• 41:20
  >> Yeah.
• 41:21
  >> We cannot exaggerate that enough. You
• 41:23
  could touch her. There was no moving.
• 41:25
  She was like she was rock.
• 41:26
  >> You couldn't lift. She couldn't lift her
• 41:28
  head over mouth. You [clears throat]
• 41:29
  couldn't physically lift her head.
• 41:30
  >> So clearly this lady needed freedom.
• 41:32
  >> Yeah. And so I felt like the Holy Spirit
• 41:35
  said to me, the husband was like
• 41:36
  terrified. The husband was like in
• 41:38
  full-on fear. And I said, "Take your
• 41:40
  wife's hand." And and I just led him in
• 41:42
  a prayer, renouncing and repenting of
• 41:45
  all witchcraft, occult, any open door.
• 41:48
  And he swore that they didn't have any
• 41:50
  involvement like that, but I just
• 41:52
  >> felt strongly from the Holy Spirit. Have
• 41:55
  him do this. And so I'm like, repeat
• 41:57
  after me through a translator. you know,
• 41:59
  I just repent of any open door to any
• 42:01
  kind of witchcraft, any kind of occultic
• 42:03
  things. I renounce it, etc., etc. Went
• 42:05
  through this whole prayer. And then I
• 42:07
  said, and just say, "Amen in Jesus'
• 42:08
  name. Amen." He said, "Amen." I said,
• 42:10
  "Now tell your wife, whisper in her ear,
• 42:13
  tell her to say amen." And he goes over
• 42:15
  to him, he says, "Amen. Amen. Amen." And
• 42:17
  and she says, "Amen." And the second she
• 42:20
  says, "Amen." She's like, she gets free
• 42:23
  and she lifts up her head.
• 42:24
  >> I said, "Lift up your heads." I said,
• 42:25
  "Open your eyes." and she opened her
• 42:27
  eyes and her eyes were pitch black.
• 42:29
  >> Wow.
• 42:30
  >> I'd never seen that before. I mean, I've
• 42:32
  I've seen demons cast out of thousands
• 42:34
  of people and I've never seen her eyes
• 42:36
  were literally pitch black.
• 42:38
  >> And then I'm like, [laughter] "Thank
• 42:39
  you, Jesus. Total freedom, complete
• 42:42
  freedom right now." And then and then
• 42:43
  like it just shifts and all of a sudden
• 42:45
  like she just kind of literally totally
• 42:48
  comes back to life
• 42:49
  >> and her hands are like up in the air and
• 42:51
  um they brought her up on the stage and
• 42:53
  her and her husband were literally
• 42:54
  dancing and jumping up and down.
• 42:56
  >> This happened in front of thousands and
• 42:58
  they're literally they were known in the
• 43:00
  region and uh literally from the stage
• 43:03
  they were saying this person this lady
• 43:05
  she needs to get free. So everyone's
• 43:07
  attention was equally on what was going
• 43:10
  on.
• 43:10
  >> Yeah. I'd come down off the stage onto
• 43:12
  the onto the ground. The stage was
• 43:14
  really high
• 43:15
  >> and clear and when it broke as you can
• 43:17
  imagine just it erupted praise
• 43:20
  >> out of everyone. She's free. She's free.
• 43:23
  >> But part of why I also wanted to share
• 43:25
  it like amazing Jesus is amazing. He
• 43:27
  broke that and she got free is it's at
• 43:29
  the name of Jesus that people get free.
• 43:32
  And we have so many arguments in the
• 43:33
  world right now about demons. Can people
• 43:36
  have demons? Can God move in power? Is
• 43:38
  he supernatural? All those things. And
• 43:39
  I'm like, "This lady in the name of
• 43:41
  Jesus got free." There's no argument
• 43:44
  that you can have in that moment. You're
• 43:45
  just standing there going, "It's Jesus
• 43:47
  that gets this woman."
• 43:48
  >> By the way, she was a Christian and she
• 43:49
  was a worship leader. And it was it was
• 43:52
  three weeks earlier that suddenly these
• 43:54
  uh
• 43:54
  >> and equally don't dabble in the
• 43:55
  darkness. The darkness is real. But at
• 43:57
  the name of Jesus, chains break. At the
• 43:59
  name of Jesus, people get free. And that
• 44:02
  broke something open over the region
• 44:03
  because it was one of we knew in that
• 44:05
  moment this is one of those Mount Carmel
• 44:07
  Holy Ghost showdowns where we knew the
• 44:09
  enemy was saying she's not getting free
• 44:11
  and neither is anyone else in this
• 44:13
  region. And it was at you know in that
• 44:15
  moment and after those moments that
• 44:16
  thousands of people came to Jesus and
• 44:19
  even that was like a a message to the
• 44:22
  region. It's at the name of Jesus that
• 44:24
  people get free. You need Jesus get
• 44:26
  saved now. And uh but you know we're
• 44:29
  talking about a miracle. I just want to
• 44:30
  share this cuz this is what really
• 44:32
  >> this is my heart too. I
• 44:33
  >> impacted me.
• 44:34
  >> Yeah.
• 44:35
  >> Um the next night and um Ben was giving
• 44:38
  an altar call and you could feel
• 44:41
  >> you can feel when God's drawing his kids
• 44:44
  home and we're standing there and Ben's
• 44:47
  giving the altar call and um people
• 44:50
  started to come out. There's thousands
• 44:51
  there. Hundreds are coming and he's just
• 44:54
  waiting and you you can tangibly feel it
• 44:56
  in the air like a a magnet. The love of
• 44:59
  God is like a magnet. You can feel
• 45:01
  people coming and it's a wave of
• 45:03
  humanity. There was over a thousand that
• 45:05
  came to Jesus that night and I'm
• 45:06
  standing there watching it weeping and
• 45:08
  there was such a holiness. We couldn't
• 45:10
  move on could we? Um Ben's even from the
• 45:13
  um stage as hundreds and hundreds and
• 45:15
  hundreds are just coming to Jesus and
• 45:18
  he's just like I can't move on. And st I
• 45:21
  was in the crowd walking around I barely
• 45:23
  said a word. I'm just weeping looking at
• 45:25
  everyone.
• 45:27
  There was this weighty sense of
• 45:29
  holiness.
• 45:30
  >> And the only way I can describe it, I
• 45:32
  said to Ben later, I went, "It felt like
• 45:35
  I was witnessing a holy
• 45:39
  family reunion."
• 45:42
  >> And we couldn't move on because
• 45:45
  um God was taking a moment with his
• 45:48
  kids. Finally,
• 45:52
  he got him back.
• 45:55
  You stand in a moment like that.
• 46:00
  It wasn't anything fancy Ben said that
• 46:02
  night. It was the raw simple gospel.
• 46:08
  We're so caught up often in this, that,
• 46:11
  and all these crazy messages.
• 46:14
  Was just Jesus loves you, died for you.
• 46:19
  >> He'll break the chains
• 46:22
  thousands.
• 46:25
  weeping. Little children weeping. You
• 46:28
  can't make kids weep on an altar and
• 46:29
  stand still for an hour. The Holy Spirit
• 46:32
  can.
• 46:33
  >> Wow.
• 46:35
  >> That's
• 46:37
  probably the greatest miracle we've seen
• 46:38
  in the last week.
• 46:40
  >> That's incredible.
• 46:44
  >> Yeah.
• 46:45
  >> Oh. Oh my gosh. You folks, you got me.
• 46:48
  [laughter]
• 46:50
  >> Yeah. People People love to argue about
• 46:54
  all of it. The gifts,
• 46:57
  >> deliverance, can a Christian have a de
• 46:59
  What if like we just stopped arguing
• 47:01
  about Christians having demons and went
• 47:03
  out and cast them out of people?
• 47:04
  >> Yeah.
• 47:05
  >> You know, when I got deliverance, like
• 47:07
  people can't say anything to me about
• 47:10
  deliverance. Not only because I
• 47:13
  experience it all the time and I've seen
• 47:15
  the sustained fruit of it,
• 47:17
  >> but my own life when I got deliverance,
• 47:20
  >> my husband got born again that night.
• 47:22
  >> Wow.
• 47:23
  >> You can't make that up.
• 47:24
  >> No, you can't.
• 47:25
  >> That's the power of God.
• 47:27
  >> Not just in in I tried to
• 47:30
  intellectualize him into the faith. I I
• 47:32
  was like studying apologetics and doing
• 47:34
  all I'm going to talk him into this
• 47:35
  thing. I couldn't talk him into it. He
• 47:38
  had to experience me, have demons, like
• 47:40
  the Holy Spirit come upon me, get the
• 47:42
  condalini spirit out for him to just get
• 47:46
  to this humble place where he's like, I
• 47:48
  want to know God.
• 47:49
  >> That's what happens
• 47:50
  >> when God shows up.
• 47:52
  >> I'm convinced all these people um with
• 47:55
  arguments [clears throat] though,
• 47:56
  Angela, they're not out getting their
• 47:59
  hands dirty on the streets. I agree. On
• 48:01
  the crusade field, on the mission field.
• 48:03
  I mean, we don't just go to Peru and do
• 48:05
  this. We do this literally on the
• 48:07
  streets everywhere we go all over
• 48:09
  America. We've done it in
• 48:10
  [clears throat] Texas. I mean, we do it
• 48:11
  every week in Texas, but we've done this
• 48:13
  is the same thing in downtown New York
• 48:16
  and, you know, and all over the country,
• 48:18
  all over the world. So, one-on-one as
• 48:19
  well as the crusade field. But when
• 48:21
  you're standing in front of someone like
• 48:23
  with that lady,
• 48:25
  >> husband is terrified. She's a worship
• 48:27
  leader. They're definitely Christians.
• 48:29
  >> Now, just because they're Christians, it
• 48:30
  doesn't mean they haven't opened up the
• 48:32
  door in other things, right? Um, and if
• 48:35
  you open up the door, you give the
• 48:37
  demons access to your life, people get
• 48:40
  stuck on this word possession. That's
• 48:41
  not actually what the the proper word
• 48:43
  is. It's demonized,
• 48:45
  >> right? It means like have demons. It's
• 48:48
  not it's not that the devil owns you.
• 48:50
  You're not possessed in the sense of
• 48:52
  ownership, right? Of course, [snorts]
• 48:54
  God owns you, but you have demons. And
• 48:57
  all of these arguments when you're
• 48:58
  standing in front of this woman, she
• 49:00
  needs deliverance. Right?
• 49:02
  >> This is not cancer. This is not some
• 49:05
  illness. She's literally in a catatonic
• 49:08
  state because she's demonically
• 49:10
  oppressed and and she needs deliverance
• 49:13
  from it, you know.
• 49:14
  >> And so when you're on the streets like
• 49:16
  that, when you're in front of people,
• 49:17
  when you're on the crusade grounds, you
• 49:19
  you need an answer. You need a God who
• 49:21
  shows up right now. And so the only
• 49:24
  problem with saying that Christians
• 49:25
  can't have demons is that they do. And
• 49:28
  I've seen it thousands of times.
• 49:30
  literally thousands of times and they
• 49:32
  come out of people, you know, we're like
• 49:36
  we're like, well, you know, how can a
• 49:37
  Christian how can a demon and the Holy
• 49:39
  Spirit be in the same place? Well,
• 49:41
  demons and the Holy Spirit are in the
• 49:43
  same place all the time. You know what I
• 49:44
  mean? Like in [laughter] in every
• 49:45
  church, in every church building, the
• 49:48
  Holy Spirit and demons are in there.
• 49:49
  >> Yeah. Because either God is omnipresent
• 49:51
  or he's not. Right.
• 49:53
  >> Right. Exactly. So, wherever the demons
• 49:55
  are, God is all also there. But it's
• 49:58
  equally like saying, "Well, can a
• 49:59
  Christian get sick?"
• 50:00
  >> Yeah,
• 50:01
  >> I agree. I know people ask me that.
• 50:03
  >> Should we No,
• 50:04
  >> how can I have a demon? I'm like, I
• 50:06
  don't know. How can you have cancer?
• 50:08
  Because same idea.
• 50:10
  >> Let's stop the argument and just pray
• 50:12
  for the person who's sick. Pray for the
• 50:14
  person who needs to be free.
• 50:16
  >> Like, why have an argument? Because they
• 50:17
  need to be free.
• 50:18
  >> Back to the word witness because that's
• 50:20
  witness. All the arguing online about it
• 50:22
  is
• 50:23
  >> that's a that's a deterrent.
• 50:24
  >> Yes. It's stopping people doing what
• 50:26
  we're made to do. Just pray for the
• 50:29
  person.
• 50:29
  >> Yeah. Come out on the streets with us.
• 50:31
  Come to a crusade with us. Come
• 50:33
  somewhere. You will see very quickly
• 50:36
  >> what that Jesus does miracles and he
• 50:38
  casts demons out and he does it out of
• 50:39
  Christian.
• 50:40
  >> He loves people. He does it because he
• 50:41
  loves people. He wants people free.
• 50:43
  >> Yeah. And if if you will grow in
• 50:46
  compassion, you're going to grow in
• 50:48
  anointing because it's very hard to
• 50:50
  stand in front of someone who needs to
• 50:51
  be free, who needs to be well, who needs
• 50:53
  an encounter, who needs their kids
• 50:55
  saved, who needs their kids, you know,
• 50:57
  drug addiction broken off. You can't
• 50:59
  stand in front of someone who's needing
• 51:01
  chains broken
• 51:03
  >> and have an intellectual argument.
• 51:04
  >> So good.
• 51:05
  >> You're like, Jesus, show up.
• 51:06
  >> Yeah. Let's lean into the compassion
• 51:08
  thing. It's really good because I heard
• 51:10
  you preach at Joshua's church about
• 51:14
  kind of the reality of hell
• 51:16
  and that uh talk about fear of the Lord
• 51:20
  that like broke me that night. Um and I
• 51:24
  think people get afraid of being like
• 51:27
  the fire and brimstone kind of preacher,
• 51:30
  but there's like a reality there where
• 51:32
  it needs to be confronted and Jesus
• 51:34
  never shied away from the topic and it's
• 51:36
  because of the compassion.
• 51:39
  >> So can we lean into that? Can you kind
• 51:41
  of if you can glean from remember what
• 51:44
  you spoke about that evening um
• 51:47
  >> just the reality of people dying.
• 51:48
  >> Well there is there is a heaven and
• 51:50
  there is a hell. There's a very real
• 51:52
  heaven. Heaven is real and honestly this
• 51:55
  is one of the biggest revelations that
• 51:56
  needs to come to the church that heaven
• 51:59
  and hell are real. You know that people
• 52:01
  die and the moment they die they come
• 52:03
  out of their bodies and they either go
• 52:05
  to heaven or they go to hell based on if
• 52:08
  they have received Jesus. That's the
• 52:10
  only thing that matters. Have they
• 52:12
  believed in Jesus? Have they believed
• 52:14
  that he's the son of God? Have they
• 52:15
  received him? That is the single thing
• 52:18
  that determines whether someone goes to
• 52:19
  heaven or hell. And the reality is the
• 52:22
  cold statistical reality is that every
• 52:25
  day 120,000 people die not knowing
• 52:28
  Jesus.
• 52:30
  120,000 people go to hell every single
• 52:33
  day. Statistically, how do I know that?
• 52:36
  It's very simple. Um the global
• 52:38
  population is about 8 billion people. Um
• 52:41
  uh 170,000 people die every day. That's
• 52:45
  the global death rate. You can Google
• 52:46
  [clears throat] it. Um and about 25%
• 52:51
  it's these these numbers I'm actually
• 52:53
  being very conservative with the
• 52:55
  numbers. But at least um 75% of the
• 52:59
  world is not Christian. You know,
• 53:01
  there's about 2.2 2 billion Christians.
• 53:03
  8 billion people on the on the earth and
• 53:06
  170,000 people die every day. That 2.2,
• 53:09
  by the way, 2.2 billion Christians
• 53:11
  includes every single person who's ever
• 53:13
  ticked a box that says that they're a
• 53:15
  Christian. Every Catholic, every
• 53:17
  Protestant whose parents were from the
• 53:19
  Church of England or something like that
• 53:20
  on a census. So, the numbers actually
• 53:23
  way smaller of those who have even the
• 53:25
  last pope said of 1.2 2 billion
• 53:28
  Catholics globally. He fears that 900
• 53:32
  million of them do not have saving
• 53:34
  faith. In other words, they're Catholic
• 53:37
  culturally, they don't believe in Jesus.
• 53:40
  >> So that so that number 2.2 billion
• 53:42
  includes all of the all of them.
• 53:45
  >> So very conservatively, 120,000 people
• 53:49
  go to hell every day.
• 53:52
  That's that's happening right now. It's
• 53:54
  about 84 beats a minute.
• 53:56
  >> Can you play that? Do you do you have
• 53:58
  that on your phone?
• 53:59
  >> Yeah.
• 54:01
  >> Cuz when you did this at church,
• 54:04
  man, there's something about
• 54:08
  >> just
• 54:09
  >> This is just a metronome. This is that
• 54:12
  120,000 going to hell right now.
• 54:26
  This is not a gimmick. This is the real
• 54:28
  timing of people going to hell. Not
• 54:31
  dying. This is going to hell.
• 54:37
  >> And what are we doing about it?
• 54:39
  >> I mean, this number should haunt the
• 54:41
  entire church. While people are
• 54:43
  attacking us online for preaching the
• 54:46
  gospel and casting out demons and
• 54:47
  whether or not someone can have a demon
• 54:49
  if they're a Christian, these people are
• 54:50
  going to hell.
• 54:54
  And so like our our job, all of us,
• 54:57
  that's why I mean I'm not just trying to
• 54:59
  fogg a book, but saved, healed,
• 55:01
  delivered. It's like
• 55:04
  this is we need to get about the
• 55:06
  father's business,
• 55:08
  >> you know, in preaching the gospel
• 55:10
  because 120,000 people every day go to
• 55:13
  hell. Cowboy Stadium has in Dallas has
• 55:16
  90,000 people full capacity. That's like
• 55:19
  what is that one and a third of that
• 55:22
  entire stadium every day are falling
• 55:25
  into hell right now.
• 55:28
  every day and tomorrow
• 55:31
  and tomorrow and tomorrow and the next
• 55:33
  day after that, you know, and while
• 55:35
  we're arguing about the most ridiculous
• 55:37
  stuff, while we're having Facebook
• 55:39
  fights with people, 84 a minute are
• 55:42
  going to hell, you know? And so our our
• 55:46
  mission, our like drive is like we got
• 55:49
  to stem the tide. It's like not not on
• 55:50
  my watch. Whatever we can do right now,
• 55:53
  and here's the here's the hope part.
• 55:55
  Here's the hope part, Angela. Right. If
• 55:57
  every Christian alive today,
• 56:00
  >> so let's take that same two billion
• 56:02
  Christians. If every Christian won one
• 56:05
  person to Jesus in the next year, one
• 56:08
  person to Jesus in the next year and
• 56:11
  then taught all of them to do the same
• 56:13
  next year, the whole world gets saved in
• 56:16
  two years.
• 56:17
  >> How crazy is that?
• 56:18
  >> And that's that's only winning one
• 56:20
  person each to Jesus
• 56:22
  >> in a whole year. So the deal is and this
• 56:24
  is what marked me because we we first of
• 56:26
  all when we talk about how many are
• 56:28
  going to hell people can be overcome
• 56:29
  with the sense of it's impossible. Point
• 56:32
  is, it's very easy.
• 56:35
  And the reason why we also go after
• 56:37
  revival is because revival is, as Ben
• 56:40
  always says, is the single greatest
• 56:43
  accelerator of the harvest because
• 56:46
  people get on fire
• 56:48
  >> and suddenly you'll step out of your
• 56:50
  comfort zone to do what comes naturally,
• 56:53
  which is tell people that Jesus is
• 56:55
  alive. Yeah.
• 56:56
  >> That's why we need a move of God. That's
• 56:58
  really good cuz I think sometimes like
• 56:59
  there's this
• 57:01
  >> false illusion that oh like people like
• 57:03
  y'all just you just want to have these I
• 57:06
  don't know dopamine hits like you just
• 57:08
  want to go to the altar and get wrecked
• 57:09
  get all emotional have a high and then
• 57:11
  go home and do whatever. It's like I'm
• 57:13
  sure that exists you know but that's not
• 57:16
  what this is because
• 57:18
  >> like God isn't giving us these tangible
• 57:20
  encounters. He's not giving us these
• 57:22
  healings, these deliverances so that we
• 57:24
  can just live a comfortable, cozy life.
• 57:26
  Like he's giving it to us to be a
• 57:29
  witness so that we go out and make
• 57:30
  disciples. Like that's the point. He
• 57:33
  doesn't just save you
• 57:34
  >> from things. He saves you for a
• 57:36
  commission so that you go out and then
• 57:38
  you are fruitful and you multiply.
• 57:41
  That's that's his formula.
• 57:43
  >> Fruit and multiplication. Fruit and
• 57:46
  multiplication. You get fruit from the
• 57:47
  revival. You go out and you multiply it
• 57:49
  and then you make disciples. Yeah.
• 57:51
  >> So, wow.
• 57:52
  >> Once again, if you were if you were one
• 57:54
  of the disciples, if you were in the
• 57:56
  upper room, there's no mistaking what
• 57:58
  the job was. The job was to go and tell
• 58:00
  everybody about Jesus. That was it. It's
• 58:02
  not like
• 58:02
  >> his last words before he left Earth.
• 58:04
  >> What What am What are you calling me to?
• 58:06
  What's my You know, it's like there's no
• 58:07
  mistaking it.
• 58:08
  >> They just went, "Jesus is alive. Let's
• 58:11
  go tell everybody."
• 58:12
  >> Yeah.
• 58:13
  >> Let's go tell everyone. and and only in
• 58:15
  a few chapters it says those who've
• 58:17
  turned the world upside down have come
• 58:19
  here too.
• 58:21
  >> And Jesus didn't pick the smartest
• 58:22
  people. He didn't choose that, you know,
• 58:24
  the most like that's why we've got
• 58:26
  Peter. That's why we've got this
• 58:27
  fisherman. That's why we've got these
• 58:29
  simple people, you know, who's who's
• 58:31
  hot-mouthed and, you know, and and and
• 58:34
  probably hotteered as well, you know,
• 58:35
  like he's cutting this guy's ear off and
• 58:37
  Jesus is like, "Oh, Peter," you know,
• 58:39
  puts the ear back on, you [laughter]
• 58:40
  know, but because it's like, "Hey, this
• 58:43
  is just he he takes people like like us,
• 58:46
  >> this kid who was rejected, beat up in
• 58:48
  New Zealand on the other side of the
• 58:50
  world, knowing no, you know, no friends,
• 58:52
  literally no friends. I remember walking
• 58:55
  around the school when I was 11 years
• 58:57
  old. I remember distinctly one day
• 59:00
  thinking, I'm I'm at a school with a
• 59:01
  thousand kids and I don't have one
• 59:03
  single friend to talk to. Jesus took
• 59:06
  that kid, not because I was anything
• 59:08
  special, but he put his Holy Spirit in
• 59:10
  me.
• 59:11
  >> And now I've preached the gospel on
• 59:12
  every continent all around the world.
• 59:14
  And I've seen thousands and thousands of
• 59:16
  people come to Jesus,
• 59:18
  >> not because of my own might, power,
• 59:20
  gifts, or anything else, but because of
• 59:22
  his anointing. He put his holy spirit in
• 59:25
  me, you know. And um one thing I love
• 59:28
  about the gospel, Angela, because this
• 59:30
  is the hope part of it, the gospel has
• 59:32
  its own power to save. See, in Romans
• 59:35
  1:16, Paul says, "I am not ashamed of
• 59:39
  the gospel because it is the power of
• 59:41
  God unto salvation." The word power is
• 59:44
  the same word from Acts 18. In Acts 18,
• 59:47
  when he says, "After the Holy Ghost has
• 59:49
  come upon you, you shall receive power,"
• 59:51
  it's dunamis. You shall receive dunamis.
• 59:53
  From that [snorts] word, it's the Greek
• 59:55
  word that we get the same root like
• 59:56
  dynamic, dynamite, explosive power, and
• 1:00:00
  you will be my witnesses. Then Paul
• 1:00:01
  says, I'm not ashamed of the gospel
• 1:00:03
  because it is the dunamis power of God
• 1:00:05
  unto salvation. In other words, the
• 1:00:08
  gospel has its own power to save. It
• 1:00:11
  just needs to come out. It just needs to
• 1:00:13
  be shared. It doesn't need to be
• 1:00:14
  eloquent. It doesn't need to be perfect.
• 1:00:17
  It just needs to come out.
• 1:00:19
  Every seed that comes out of your mouth
• 1:00:21
  bears fruit.
• 1:00:22
  >> Isaiah 55:11 says, "My word will not
• 1:00:26
  return void. It will achieve that for
• 1:00:28
  which it was sent." So just that, "Hey,
• 1:00:30
  Jesus loves you."
• 1:00:32
  >> Yeah.
• 1:00:33
  >> When it begins to work on people, begins
• 1:00:35
  to work on their heart, begins to work
• 1:00:37
  on their spirits, and this this seed
• 1:00:40
  that goes in, it begins to bear fruit
• 1:00:42
  and the anointing. And then all of a
• 1:00:44
  sudden, this person's like, "Man, I
• 1:00:45
  wonder if God is real." Gotcha.
• 1:00:48
  >> Yeah. That's what we saw in Peru and
• 1:00:51
  that's what we see everywhere. The
• 1:00:52
  [clears throat] gospel draws people in
• 1:00:54
  >> because the gospel's laden with an
• 1:00:56
  anointing, a power.
• 1:00:58
  >> And this is one of the greatest
• 1:01:00
  revelations that believers need to get a
• 1:01:02
  hold of.
• 1:01:03
  >> And the Bible tells us the um it's the
• 1:01:05
  anointing that breaks the heavy yoke.
• 1:01:08
  And yes, we need to grow in knowledge.
• 1:01:10
  But you know what? We need to grow in
• 1:01:12
  anointing. The church needs to grow in
• 1:01:14
  believing that God anoints us because
• 1:01:17
  it's the anointing that breaks off the
• 1:01:19
  un unbelief. And that's what God is
• 1:01:23
  starting to stir. I believe I believe
• 1:01:25
  he's stirring this generation to believe
• 1:01:27
  that we're actually going to be
• 1:01:29
  believers again. That belief
• 1:01:31
  >> and that know that the gospel is
• 1:01:35
  anointed and people are craving hearing
• 1:01:39
  truth and authenticity. And when you
• 1:01:41
  hear the gospel, it's like Ben says,
• 1:01:43
  it's anointed. It breaks in. It cuts
• 1:01:45
  deep. And it draws people to Jesus.
• 1:01:48
  >> This is the I believe the the great
• 1:01:50
  revelation of the last days church. The
• 1:01:52
  gospel's anointed.
• 1:01:54
  We just have to tell it.
• 1:01:56
  >> And it's like it makes me think of the
• 1:01:58
  story you shared about the angel.
• 1:02:00
  >> Yeah.
• 1:02:01
  >> Is that like God doesn't have to send an
• 1:02:03
  angel to everyone's bedside to get them
• 1:02:05
  saved. Matter of fact, as powerful as
• 1:02:08
  that being is, like we are actually
• 1:02:11
  biblically considered above the angels
• 1:02:13
  and one day we will judge them. And it
• 1:02:16
  says, I believe in Hebrews that they
• 1:02:18
  like minister to us. Like God uses the
• 1:02:21
  angels for our benefit. These powerful
• 1:02:24
  creatures
• 1:02:26
  >> he sends to us.
• 1:02:28
  >> He doesn't even want to use them to save
• 1:02:29
  people. He wants to use them to help his
• 1:02:32
  body. and he wants to use his body to go
• 1:02:34
  save the people. Like he wants to use us
• 1:02:36
  like just these broken vessels.
• 1:02:39
  >> It's you don't have to be perfect. I
• 1:02:41
  think people get caught up in that like,
• 1:02:43
  oh, I'm not I'm not Ben and Jod. I don't
• 1:02:45
  go to Peru. I don't see, you know, I
• 1:02:47
  don't see people saved like that and in
• 1:02:49
  in the in the multitudes and I'm not
• 1:02:51
  Angela. I don't have this like crazy
• 1:02:52
  testimony where I came out of the
• 1:02:54
  occult. Like, who am I? Like, you're a
• 1:02:56
  child of God.
• 1:02:57
  >> Yeah.
• 1:02:57
  >> That's all you need to be. Well, it's
• 1:02:59
  interesting, you know, because um I
• 1:03:01
  think people do say that all the time.
• 1:03:02
  You're exactly right, Angela. They're
• 1:03:04
  like, "But I I'm not them. I'm not that
• 1:03:07
  person. I'm not Reinhard Bonkey. I'm
• 1:03:09
  not, you know, whoever they want to put
• 1:03:11
  in the list of who they're not."
• 1:03:13
  >> And we've again minimized the anointing
• 1:03:17
  because God comes on us
• 1:03:19
  >> and enables us to do things that in the
• 1:03:22
  natural we actually can't do. I mean I
• 1:03:24
  even in my journey I know I used to be
• 1:03:26
  so scared like I said to look I couldn't
• 1:03:27
  look people in the eye. I most certainly
• 1:03:30
  could not travel the world and preach
• 1:03:31
  the gospel. However, and I believe
• 1:03:33
  anyone who's listening right now it
• 1:03:35
  simply comes down to saying God when God
• 1:03:37
  says you know here am I use me. That's
• 1:03:39
  biblical. That's a prayer. The power of
• 1:03:42
  the Holy Spirit comes upon us to enable
• 1:03:44
  us to do things that in the natural we
• 1:03:46
  never could have done. The question is
• 1:03:49
  are we hungry?
• 1:03:51
  Will we ask God to put his anointing on
• 1:03:53
  us? Will we ask God to use us and then
• 1:03:56
  step out when he gives us the
• 1:03:57
  opportunity? Will we have moments in our
• 1:04:00
  quiet spaces with the Lord where we say,
• 1:04:02
  "God, I am nothing. I've prayed this
• 1:04:03
  prayer for over 30 years. God, I'm
• 1:04:05
  nothing without you, but with you, I can
• 1:04:07
  do all things. I'm asking you for the
• 1:04:09
  all things." And I have watched him over
• 1:04:11
  30 years grow me to be able to do the
• 1:04:14
  all things through his spirit, through
• 1:04:16
  his anointing. from a 12-year-old girl
• 1:04:18
  who wanted to kill myself, couldn't look
• 1:04:19
  anyone in the eye, didn't want to talk
• 1:04:21
  to anyone, had no friends in a similar
• 1:04:23
  way, and throughout the journey has been
• 1:04:26
  scared. You know, I think sometimes
• 1:04:27
  ministers need to get a little real,
• 1:04:29
  too. I've been scared a lot of the
• 1:04:30
  things I've done, but I've learned
• 1:04:32
  enough to know that if I step out with
• 1:04:34
  God, he's going to show up and he's
• 1:04:36
  going to be with me and he's going to
• 1:04:37
  help me. The point is, will I die to
• 1:04:39
  myself and do it scared or will I say,
• 1:04:42
  "God, I can't do that. I'm no one."
• 1:04:44
  >> Wow. when God's actually looking for
• 1:04:46
  people who will say I am no one but you
• 1:04:49
  said I can do all things through you so
• 1:04:51
  therefore I can step on that stage I can
• 1:04:54
  share God's love and I can see people
• 1:04:56
  come to you because it's you not me
• 1:04:59
  >> and we've got a generation who think
• 1:05:01
  it's all about us it's not it's actually
• 1:05:04
  about him
• 1:05:05
  >> harvest is plenty and the workers are
• 1:05:07
  few
• 1:05:07
  >> so what do you guys see in the harvest
• 1:05:09
  what is like the need
• 1:05:12
  >> we we do these boot camps Angela. So we
• 1:05:16
  we do them. They're just short couple of
• 1:05:18
  weeks. We've done them up to five weeks.
• 1:05:21
  Every single person that's come has been
• 1:05:23
  a normal person,
• 1:05:24
  >> an everyday person. Grandmothers, kids.
• 1:05:27
  We've had people from six, even younger
• 1:05:30
  than 16 all the way through to I think
• 1:05:32
  the oldest was 80 something, right? Not
• 1:05:35
  a single one of them has come as like
• 1:05:37
  some raging evangelist. Normal
• 1:05:39
  Christians. almost none of them have
• 1:05:42
  ever led somebody to Jesus. Um they've
• 1:05:46
  most of them have never even told
• 1:05:48
  somebody about Jesus. By the end of it,
• 1:05:51
  they all see people saved. Right.
• 1:05:53
  >> Wow. And and because what happens is
• 1:05:56
  that it's become this insurmountable
• 1:05:59
  thing to actually lead somebody to Jesus
• 1:06:01
  and and you know [clears throat] some
• 1:06:03
  things have been helpful like scripts
• 1:06:05
  and apologetics and things like that but
• 1:06:07
  at the end of the day it's actually put
• 1:06:09
  a barrier in front of people as well.
• 1:06:11
  They think well I don't know the
• 1:06:12
  answers. I can't go out yet. I'm not
• 1:06:14
  ready to do that. But the thing is is
• 1:06:16
  you don't have to know the answers.
• 1:06:18
  >> You just have to know the one who is the
• 1:06:20
  answer you know and Jesus is the answer.
• 1:06:22
  And it's totally okay to say, you know
• 1:06:24
  what? I don't know.
• 1:06:26
  >> But here's what I do know. Jesus is real
• 1:06:29
  and he saved me and he loves you. You
• 1:06:32
  know, and when you understand that
• 1:06:34
  telling people about Jesus is simply
• 1:06:36
  loving people. It's loving the person at
• 1:06:40
  the supermarket. It's loving the person
• 1:06:42
  at Starbucks. You know, you would be
• 1:06:44
  amazed. People do not know. People don't
• 1:06:46
  know Jesus is alive here in America.
• 1:06:49
  >> They don't know Jesus loves them. You
• 1:06:51
  think everybody knows. They don't know.
• 1:06:53
  They do not know. And all the time we
• 1:06:56
  encounter people, we just simply say,
• 1:06:58
  "Has anyone ever told you that Jesus
• 1:07:00
  loves you?" No. Do you know the gospel?
• 1:07:04
  Have you ever heard the gospel? No. You
• 1:07:06
  know, or you ask people, "Are you going
• 1:07:09
  to go to heaven? If you die today, are
• 1:07:10
  you going to go to heaven?" Like, I hope
• 1:07:12
  so.
• 1:07:12
  >> I don't know. I don't know. I'm like,
• 1:07:14
  "Well, do you want to be sure?" You
• 1:07:16
  know, because here's how you can be
• 1:07:18
  sure. If you say the Bible says everyone
• 1:07:21
  who calls on the name of the Lord shall
• 1:07:22
  be saved. That's it. It's actually very
• 1:07:25
  easy to get saved. The religious spirit
• 1:07:28
  has made it this insurmountable task.
• 1:07:32
  But the Bible's not does not say that at
• 1:07:34
  all. Three times it says, "Everyone who
• 1:07:36
  calls on the name of the Lord shall be
• 1:07:38
  saved." THAT SOUNDS LIKE JESUS.
• 1:07:42
  >> YEP. SAVED. If you're going down in a
• 1:07:44
  plane and you shout out to Jesus
• 1:07:46
  >> and you hit the ground, you're going
• 1:07:48
  straight to heaven,
• 1:07:50
  >> right? And in fact, John 3:16,
• 1:07:52
  >> I can hear the comments now. Y
• 1:07:54
  >> John 3:16 makes it even easier. We love
• 1:07:56
  to talk about John 3:16. John 3:16 says,
• 1:07:59
  "Whosoever believes in him
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  >> shall not perish, but have everlasting
• 1:08:04
  life." Believes.
• 1:08:08
  That's it. That's the whole verse,
• 1:08:10
  right? It doesn't say now is baptism a
• 1:08:13
  thing? Of course. Do you have to be
• 1:08:15
  baptized to be saved? No. Do you have to
• 1:08:17
  tithe to be saved? No. Do you have to be
• 1:08:19
  go to disciplehip classes to be saved?
• 1:08:21
  No. Do you have to do all these other
• 1:08:24
  things? No.
• 1:08:25
  >> Can I tell you one story?
• 1:08:26
  >> Yeah. Can I ask you something first?
• 1:08:28
  >> Yeah.
• 1:08:28
  >> What do you do with the verse about the
• 1:08:30
  demons that even they believe
• 1:08:32
  >> the Well, of course the demons believe,
• 1:08:34
  but demons obviously can't be saved. You
• 1:08:37
  know, like it says, "Even the demons
• 1:08:39
  believe and tremble." But if you believe
• 1:08:41
  that Jesus is the son of God, right?
• 1:08:44
  That's what it means to believe. God
• 1:08:45
  said, "For God so loved the world, he
• 1:08:46
  gave his only son gave his only son that
• 1:08:50
  whosoever believes in him shall not
• 1:08:52
  perish but have everlasting life." So
• 1:08:54
  yes, believe is not just in the
• 1:08:55
  existence but believing in the son of
• 1:08:58
  God that he is the son of God, right?
• 1:09:00
  And everyone who calls in the name on
• 1:09:02
  the name of the Lord shall be saved. So
• 1:09:04
  there is like a moment, a decision.
• 1:09:07
  Sure. Yes, I receive what he did for me.
• 1:09:09
  Yes, I believe it.
• 1:09:11
  >> Right.
• 1:09:12
  >> Let me throw this in before your story.
• 1:09:13
  Disciplehip is very important.
• 1:09:17
  However, being saved is far more
• 1:09:19
  important.
• 1:09:20
  >> Yeah.
• 1:09:20
  >> You cannot be a disciple until you're
• 1:09:22
  saved.
• 1:09:23
  >> Yeah.
• 1:09:23
  >> You got to get saved.
• 1:09:24
  >> Disciplehip starts with being saved.
• 1:09:26
  >> Yeah. You don't disciple someone into
• 1:09:28
  heaven. You get saved into heaven. And
• 1:09:31
  then we grow as disciples of Jesus.
• 1:09:34
  >> So I'm in Florida. We're on vacation.
• 1:09:38
  It's like many years ago. [laughter]
• 1:09:40
  We need another one. And [snorts] uh I
• 1:09:43
  love a hot tub. I'm I and there's a hot
• 1:09:45
  tub at the resort in Florida. And I'm
• 1:09:47
  out there. It's like January. It was
• 1:09:49
  like 75 degrees in Florida. But I'm in
• 1:09:51
  this hot tub. It's a beautiful sunset.
• 1:09:54
  It's pink and purple skies. And I'm just
• 1:09:56
  like, "How's the serenity?" Right? I'm
• 1:09:58
  in this hot tub and and then this old
• 1:10:01
  man has the audacity to come and get
• 1:10:04
  into my hot tub at this resort.
• 1:10:06
  >> He comes and he gets in and he hears
• 1:10:09
  [clears throat] my accent and uh which
• 1:10:11
  has been a great open for the gospel.
• 1:10:14
  Yeah. He's like, "Oh, you hear your, you
• 1:10:16
  know, where are you from?" Now, we teach
• 1:10:17
  everybody to have like a 15-second
• 1:10:19
  testimony loaded,
• 1:10:21
  >> right? Where you've got an accent. What
• 1:10:23
  are you doing here in America?
• 1:10:24
  >> Well, I grew up in New Zealand. I didn't
• 1:10:27
  know Jesus. I was bullied severely. When
• 1:10:29
  I was [snorts] 15, I had an encounter
• 1:10:31
  with him. I experienced this tangible
• 1:10:33
  love and now I get to travel around the
• 1:10:35
  world telling people about Jesus. That's
• 1:10:37
  my version. And then I'm like, I noticed
• 1:10:39
  he's got an accent, too. I'm like, well,
• 1:10:41
  tell me about your accent, Walter. Why
• 1:10:42
  are you here? He has a German accent.
• 1:10:44
  And he says, I was born in 1938.
• 1:10:47
  >> Wow.
• 1:10:48
  >> In Germany, right before World War II
• 1:10:51
  broke out. He says, "I was when my mom
• 1:10:54
  was 5 months pregnant with me, Hitler
• 1:10:56
  himself came to town in a parade. My mom
• 1:10:59
  went out onto the street and Hitler,
• 1:11:01
  Adolf Hitler, walked up to me, up to my
• 1:11:03
  mom, patted her on the belly, patting me
• 1:11:06
  and saying, "We need soldiers like this
• 1:11:08
  boy."
• 1:11:08
  >> Why?
• 1:11:09
  >> He says, "But then when the war broke
• 1:11:11
  out, 18 of my 20 siblings and cousins
• 1:11:15
  were all killed, including my
• 1:11:16
  18-year-old brother. But my mom and I
• 1:11:18
  managed to escape Germany." He says, "I
• 1:11:21
  went all through Europe and I became a
• 1:11:24
  race car driver." He says, "I should
• 1:11:27
  have died many times, Ben, but I
• 1:11:29
  didn't." He says, "Then eventually, we
• 1:11:30
  moved to America. I came to America and
• 1:11:32
  I became a chef, and I've worked in some
• 1:11:35
  of the biggest kitchens all over
• 1:11:36
  America." And he says, and Ben, he says,
• 1:11:39
  "I've done many terrible things in my
• 1:11:41
  life." He says, "And I'm terrified of
• 1:11:43
  dying because I'm terrified of going to
• 1:11:45
  hell
• 1:11:47
  in the hot tub." And I said, 'Well,
• 1:11:49
  Walter, you don't have to go to hell. We
• 1:11:52
  can pray together right now.
• 1:11:54
  >> Wow.
• 1:11:54
  >> And you can be saved. Do you want to do
• 1:11:56
  that? He said, 'Yes. So now, two wrinkly
• 1:12:00
  white men [clears throat]
• 1:12:02
  sitting in a hot tub in Florida, holding
• 1:12:04
  hands and crying,
• 1:12:07
  [clears throat] tears rolling down both
• 1:12:08
  of our faces.
• 1:12:10
  >> I lead him in a prayer. Dear Jesus, I
• 1:12:14
  give you my life. I say yes to you.
• 1:12:16
  Please forgive me for my sins.
• 1:12:19
  be my Lord. Be my Savior. Thank you,
• 1:12:21
  Jesus. Amen.
• 1:12:24
  Amen. And he and he I said, "Walter,
• 1:12:26
  you're saved. You're going to heaven. If
• 1:12:28
  you die today, you're going to heaven
• 1:12:29
  right now. If you you do believe that
• 1:12:32
  when you prayed it, "Yes." He says,
• 1:12:34
  "Well, you're saved. Your name is now
• 1:12:35
  written in the Lamb's Book of Life." And
• 1:12:37
  he said to me, "Ben, is it really that
• 1:12:39
  easy?" I said, "Yes, Walter, because
• 1:12:41
  Jesus didn't pay 90%.
• 1:12:44
  He didn't pay 95%. He paid 100% of your
• 1:12:48
  sins. He paid it all. All we have to do
• 1:12:51
  is receive it. And you just did that.
• 1:12:54
  That's it. You're saved. So the next
• 1:12:56
  day, he invites me to come to his
• 1:12:58
  apartment. Now, in my testimony, I often
• 1:13:01
  I often talk about how when I woke up
• 1:13:03
  the next day, I felt like I could fly.
• 1:13:05
  And I told him that when I was sharing
• 1:13:06
  my testimony with him and uh I knock on
• 1:13:09
  the door, his wife opens the door and he
• 1:13:11
  says she says, "You must be Ben." She
• 1:13:13
  didn't know this. She said, "You know
• 1:13:14
  what Walter told me this morning when he
• 1:13:15
  woke up?" He said, "I feel like I can
• 1:13:18
  fly."
• 1:13:20
  Two hours later, holding his wife's
• 1:13:21
  hand, I led her to Jesus in the in their
• 1:13:23
  apartment lounge room as well.
• 1:13:25
  >> Wow.
• 1:13:26
  >> You know, I I for a couple of a little
• 1:13:29
  while, I was able to make phone calls
• 1:13:30
  back and forth, but he hasn't answered.
• 1:13:32
  Now, I don't know if he's alive, and he
• 1:13:34
  very may now be in heaven. You know,
• 1:13:36
  this is back in 2020, actually.
• 1:13:38
  Happened, you know. But I know one day
• 1:13:40
  I'm going to bump into Walter in heaven.
• 1:13:43
  I'll be walking on the streets. I'm
• 1:13:44
  going to bump into him and I'll say to
• 1:13:47
  him, "Well, Walter, you look young." And
• 1:13:49
  he'll say, "Well, Ben, you look skinny."
• 1:13:51
  [laughter] And
• 1:13:53
  and and he'll say, he'll say, "Ben, I
• 1:13:57
  remember because of that one day in the
• 1:13:59
  hot tub,
• 1:14:01
  >> I'm now here." You know, and I think
• 1:14:03
  about how God weaves our lives together,
• 1:14:05
  Angela. Here he is, 1938, born in
• 1:14:08
  Germany, goes all through Europe. I'm
• 1:14:11
  born in New Zealand, you know, quite a
• 1:14:13
  few years later, 30 years later, 40
• 1:14:14
  years later, you know, and New Zealand,
• 1:14:17
  Australia, you know, America. And then
• 1:14:19
  one day, our lives intersect in a hot
• 1:14:21
  tub in Florida.
• 1:14:22
  >> Yeah.
• 1:14:23
  >> And his entire eternity changes. That
• 1:14:26
  wasn't on a crusade stage. That wasn't
• 1:14:28
  on an outreach. We weren't out
• 1:14:30
  witnessing. I was on vacation in the hot
• 1:14:33
  tub in the afternoon enjoying the
• 1:14:35
  serenity of the Florida sunset. But now
• 1:14:37
  he's saved all his life, terrified of
• 1:14:40
  going to hell. No one's ever told him.
• 1:14:43
  All you have to do is receive it. That's
• 1:14:44
  it.
• 1:14:45
  >> God is so good. I think about that all
• 1:14:47
  the time. Just like the little it's like
• 1:14:49
  it's like a big tapestry, right? And
• 1:14:51
  it's like all these like little threads
• 1:14:52
  that he uses to like
• 1:14:55
  >> create the the bigger picture, like the
• 1:14:57
  mosaic of of everything. And it's truly
• 1:15:00
  not his will that anyone should perish.
• 1:15:03
  I think we need to just do a better job
• 1:15:05
  of standing on that.
• 1:15:07
  >> Yeah.
• 1:15:08
  >> Um when it comes to the point of like
• 1:15:11
  our own testimony sharing what he's done
• 1:15:13
  for us, if we can confidently approach
• 1:15:16
  whoever it is in our lives, like maybe
• 1:15:18
  it's
• 1:15:20
  people I feel like have a lot of trouble
• 1:15:21
  witnessing like to their own friends and
• 1:15:22
  family even more so than a stranger in a
• 1:15:24
  hot tub. But even them, you can just
• 1:15:27
  approach them with the confidence that
• 1:15:28
  it's the will of God that they shall not
• 1:15:30
  perish.
• 1:15:32
  >> And just let it come out of your mouth.
• 1:15:36
  >> Think about the blind man all the time.
• 1:15:38
  Um because that's what I did when I
• 1:15:40
  first got saved was I didn't know
• 1:15:42
  anything. I I truly did not know
• 1:15:44
  anything. I just knew
• 1:15:47
  new age is bad. Jesus is God.
• 1:15:50
  >> And I was like the blind man. Like I
• 1:15:52
  just could see all of a sudden I could
• 1:15:53
  see and I I wanted to tell everybody. I
• 1:15:56
  needed to tell everybody because there's
• 1:15:58
  no other hope in the whole world
• 1:16:01
  >> than him.
• 1:16:03
  >> I think about how there's people dying
• 1:16:04
  like you just played for us. There's
• 1:16:06
  people dying every second. There's
• 1:16:08
  people being murdered. There's people in
• 1:16:10
  freak accidents. There's people taking
• 1:16:11
  their own lives. And how can I just be
• 1:16:15
  so selfish to sit on my hands and not
• 1:16:17
  tell all of them about the only one that
• 1:16:23
  has the ability to save and redeem them
• 1:16:26
  from hell, from death, from depression,
• 1:16:29
  from everything, all torment.
• 1:16:34
  >> So I love what you guys are doing and I
• 1:16:37
  honor you for it. Can you um tell me
• 1:16:40
  about that book that you have in front
• 1:16:41
  of you? Is that something you wrote
• 1:16:42
  together?
• 1:16:44
  >> This is just me.
• 1:16:45
  >> It's been
• 1:16:46
  >> um you know it's so it's called Saved,
• 1:16:49
  Healed, Delivered.
• 1:16:51
  And actually what prompted it was, let
• 1:16:55
  me tell you the story here on this on
• 1:16:57
  the cover because this is me and a a a a
• 1:17:00
  a young man. I I'll I'll leave his name
• 1:17:02
  out of it at the moment because I've
• 1:17:03
  still still deciding whether I'll I'll
• 1:17:06
  use I'll use the name specifically. But,
• 1:17:09
  you know, we were in a tent crusade in
• 1:17:12
  California was in 2020 and um and the
• 1:17:18
  governor had actually made it illegal to
• 1:17:20
  be outside and uh you know and yet we
• 1:17:24
  had this crusade and I'm at the crusade.
• 1:17:26
  we're there together and uh and our
• 1:17:28
  daughter is there as well and and um and
• 1:17:31
  on the very first night there's a
• 1:17:32
  thousand people show up. It's 32
• 1:17:34
  degrees, it's zero Celsius, freezing and
• 1:17:37
  uh in California, you know, in Southern
• 1:17:40
  California is in Orange County and um
• 1:17:42
  while I'm standing there during worship,
• 1:17:44
  the Holy Spirit speaks to me and he
• 1:17:46
  says, "Ben, there's someone here tonight
• 1:17:48
  and it's their last chance."
• 1:17:50
  >> Wow.
• 1:17:51
  >> It's their last chance to say yes to me.
• 1:17:54
  And so I was then invited, there'd been
• 1:17:56
  an altar call, about 20 people got
• 1:17:58
  saved. Then I was invited to come up and
• 1:18:00
  pray for minister and healing and things
• 1:18:01
  like that. And as soon as I took a step
• 1:18:03
  to go up on the stage, the Holy Spirit
• 1:18:06
  speaks to me again. He says, "Ben,
• 1:18:08
  there's still someone here. It's their
• 1:18:09
  last chance." And I went up on the stage
• 1:18:12
  and I'd never heard that before. It was
• 1:18:14
  sobering and heavy. And I said, '
• 1:18:17
  Listen, before we do anything else,
• 1:18:18
  there's someone here tonight, and it's
• 1:18:20
  your last chance to say yes to Jesus.
• 1:18:23
  Who is that person? I want you to put
• 1:18:25
  your hand up right now. And this guy
• 1:18:28
  raises his hand up the back on the on my
• 1:18:30
  right over here. He says, yells out,
• 1:18:32
  "That's me, bro. That's me, bro."
• 1:18:34
  Tattoos up his neck. He comes down the
• 1:18:36
  front and I held his hand and that's
• 1:18:39
  what this picture is here
• 1:18:41
  >> holding his hand leaning down and I led
• 1:18:44
  him in a prayer and he gave his life to
• 1:18:46
  Jesus and I jumped down and I hugged him
• 1:18:49
  and prayed for him and he says to me
• 1:18:50
  I've never felt anything so real and um
• 1:18:54
  the next night he comes he gets baptized
• 1:18:57
  in a horse trough it's not the water is
• 1:19:00
  freezing cold it's like 10 o'clock at
• 1:19:01
  night it's still 32 degrees like it the
• 1:19:04
  it was practically ice. The next night
• 1:19:07
  he comes back again and um Jody had
• 1:19:10
  preached this message where she saw
• 1:19:12
  angels literally drop all around the
• 1:19:14
  tent with clipboards and they writing
• 1:19:16
  down people's costly yes, you know, and
• 1:19:19
  so she had actual clipboards and she
• 1:19:21
  said, "God's calling people tonight to
• 1:19:23
  come and give your costly yes to the
• 1:19:24
  Lord." And of course, being her husband,
• 1:19:26
  I knew I had to be the first one up. So
• 1:19:28
  I'm up there at the front and I'm
• 1:19:29
  signing this clipboard. I turn around,
• 1:19:31
  the guy right behind me, it's him, he's
• 1:19:33
  second. He signs this thing. The next
• 1:19:35
  night, the Sunday night, the fourth
• 1:19:36
  night, he's a bit late and and
• 1:19:39
  eventually he shows up and I said, "Hey,
• 1:19:40
  bro. Where you been?" He goes, "Oh, I
• 1:19:42
  was down at Huntington Pier preaching
• 1:19:44
  the gospel. I led three people to
• 1:19:46
  Jesus." I'm like, "This dude's been
• 1:19:48
  saved for three days." [laughter]
• 1:19:50
  Like, he's just like jumped to the top
• 1:19:52
  of the line.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> Anyway, one year later,
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  so that was like December 2020. January
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  1st, 2022. So just a year and a few days
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  I wake up and there's a message that he
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  had just gone to gone to be with Jesus.
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  He had just died and it just hits me and
• 1:20:11
  I'm like I just begin to cry and um
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  for several reasons, you know, and I was
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  like, "Wow, God is so good." Like he
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  leaves the 99 and he goes after the one
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  and he went after him hard that night.
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  First he speaks to me, then there's an
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  altter call, then he tells me again, you
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  know, it's the altter call and he draws
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  him. and um the great privilege of being
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  a part of that that you know this is
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  another reason I'm crying. I'm like,
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  "Wow, God, thank you for the great
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  privilege and honor to be a part of
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  saving someone like that." And he's now
• 1:20:39
  gone to heaven as a result of that. And
• 1:20:42
  like a few hours later, I get a text
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  from a totally separate pastor in
• 1:20:46
  Illinois with pink sends me a photo of
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  an altar call I'm doing in her church
• 1:20:51
  and this man getting saved. And she
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  says, "Ben, I just wanted to let you
• 1:20:55
  know that this guy just died and he's
• 1:20:57
  just gone to be with Jesus." Like
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  literally two in a few hours
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  >> have gone to be with Jesus. The thing is
• 1:21:03
  is that we got all of these messages
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  after that 10 crusade. How dare you have
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  these gatherings in the middle of co and
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  all the rest of it. And my question was
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  always, well, what about this guy? What
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  about this guy? You know, what about
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  this? And so we have this mandate to see
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  people saved, healed, and delivered. The
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  word saved, the Greek word saved is soo
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  o zo. It literally means saved, healed,
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  delivered. You can't tell me that that
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  healing and deliverance isn't for today
• 1:21:37
  when the word saved literally means to
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  be saved, healed, and delivered. Right.
• 1:21:42
  [laughter]
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  No, there's salvation. But since the
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  apostles have died, there's no more
• 1:21:46
  healing and deliverance. They're stuck
• 1:21:47
  with their sickness. And
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  >> I get that. People ask me, "How do you
• 1:21:50
  feel about like the Soozo movement?" I'm
• 1:21:52
  like, "What are you talking about?
• 1:21:54
  >> What movement?"
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  >> It's in the Bible. It says that's what
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  the word means. saved, healed,
• 1:22:00
  delivered.
• 1:22:01
  >> And so this is like the the by line
• 1:22:03
  here, the subtitle is a blueprint to
• 1:22:05
  fulfilling every believer's mandate for
• 1:22:08
  a lost and dying world. And so this is a
• 1:22:11
  storyled book teaching people the basics
• 1:22:15
  of how to lead people to Jesus, how to
• 1:22:18
  get them healed, how to get them saved,
• 1:22:20
  how to get them delivered. So I tell
• 1:22:23
  stories like the stories I've been
• 1:22:24
  telling today and then literally just
• 1:22:26
  teach the simplicity of it for every
• 1:22:28
  single person. And so I wanted to be
• 1:22:30
  able to put something in the hands of
• 1:22:32
  every believer, every believer, they can
• 1:22:35
  say, "Oh yeah, this is easy. This is
• 1:22:37
  easy."
• 1:22:38
  >> So that's available for pre-order now.
• 1:22:40
  >> Can I tell you, Angela, one of the keys
• 1:22:41
  that helped me because often when we
• 1:22:43
  share things like this, people are
• 1:22:45
  asking, "Well, that book will help,
• 1:22:48
  right? But um how do I grow in this? How
• 1:22:50
  do I do this?" Because often people are
• 1:22:52
  just left with this sense of
• 1:22:54
  overwhelming guilt even well I need to
• 1:22:56
  do this but I don't know how to do it.
• 1:22:58
  So first of all remove the guilt that
• 1:23:00
  never comes from Jesus. When Holy Spirit
• 1:23:02
  speaks to us he empowers us. So I just
• 1:23:05
  tell all guilt to go and ask for the
• 1:23:07
  empowering hope.
• 1:23:09
  >> The Holy Spirit is the greatest
• 1:23:10
  evangelist. When you carry the Holy
• 1:23:13
  Spirit the Holy Spirit will lead us to
• 1:23:16
  lead people to him. So we got to take
• 1:23:18
  the pressure off us and lean into the
• 1:23:20
  Holy Spirit. But this is what really
• 1:23:22
  helped me. The great commission when it
• 1:23:26
  says go into all the world that was
• 1:23:28
  given to believers not to evangelists.
• 1:23:32
  >> Wow.
• 1:23:33
  >> And we have read that like the great
• 1:23:35
  commission is for all the evangelists
• 1:23:38
  out there.
• 1:23:38
  >> Really good. And therefore as a church
• 1:23:41
  across the nations we have excused
• 1:23:44
  ourself from um releasing the great
• 1:23:46
  commission telling people about Jesus
• 1:23:48
  because we say well if I'm not a
• 1:23:50
  evangelist I don't need to do this. It
• 1:23:52
  was given to believers. But here's where
• 1:23:55
  the truth cuts in. If Jesus gave it to
• 1:23:58
  believers we're believers. Everyone
• 1:24:00
  listening is a believer. If you believe
• 1:24:02
  in Jesus you're a believer.
• 1:24:05
  When you're a believer and God has given
• 1:24:06
  you the great commission. you therefore
• 1:24:08
  have um an anointing to go and do the
• 1:24:11
  great commission. What stopped me years
• 1:24:15
  and years ago from telling people about
• 1:24:17
  Jesus was that I thought I will never be
• 1:24:19
  as good as an evangelist. I will never
• 1:24:22
  be as good as Reinhard Bonnke. I will
• 1:24:24
  never be as good as whatever evangelist
• 1:24:26
  you want to um look at, my pastor, my
• 1:24:28
  leader, whoever's out there winning
• 1:24:29
  people all the time because I'm not an
• 1:24:31
  evangelist. Therefore, if I'm never
• 1:24:33
  going to be good at it, why bother? Why
• 1:24:34
  try? I'll leave that to the evangelists.
• 1:24:37
  Wow.
• 1:24:38
  >> When you break it down and go, the great
• 1:24:39
  commission was given to believers.
• 1:24:41
  Therefore, I can be good at this.
• 1:24:44
  >> And we need to break off the
• 1:24:46
  perfectionism, break off the religion,
• 1:24:48
  and come back to, well, Holy Spirit,
• 1:24:50
  help me grow in this cuz I can excel at
• 1:24:54
  leading people to Jesus.
• 1:24:56
  >> That's so good.
• 1:24:57
  >> Soon as you take the pressure off,
• 1:25:00
  >> suddenly we can be like, "Holy Spirit
• 1:25:02
  will grow me."
• 1:25:03
  >> Yeah. Everyone in the church, in our
• 1:25:05
  streams, understands growing in the
• 1:25:07
  prophetic. We need to grow in
• 1:25:10
  witnessing, in the gospel. And it's as
• 1:25:13
  simple as simply saying, "Holy Spirit,
• 1:25:15
  lead me. Grow me. Help me. I'm called to
• 1:25:18
  this.
• 1:25:19
  >> There's an anointing for this. Holy
• 1:25:22
  Spirit will help me with this."
• 1:25:23
  >> Could talk to you guys for like another
• 1:25:25
  hour and a half, but I think that's like
• 1:25:27
  the perfect note to kind of end on. Um,
• 1:25:30
  is there anything else at all that you
• 1:25:32
  feel like led to share or needs to be
• 1:25:35
  said before we kind of close out?
• 1:25:38
  >> Never underestimate the smallest seed,
• 1:25:41
  right, of the gospel. The smallest seed
• 1:25:43
  of the gospel bears fruit. That means a
• 1:25:45
  genuine God bless you can will actually
• 1:25:48
  bear fruit in someone's life. So, you
• 1:25:51
  don't have to tell the whole gospel to
• 1:25:53
  somebody. You don't have to at the
• 1:25:54
  counter at the drive-thru at Starbucks
• 1:25:56
  lead them all the way to Jesus. do it if
• 1:25:58
  you can, but just a genuine, hey, God
• 1:26:01
  bless you.
• 1:26:03
  >> Boom. That's a seed that will actually
• 1:26:05
  grow in their life.
• 1:26:07
  >> Where can people find y'all?
• 1:26:09
  >> Poritout.org.
• 1:26:11
  Yeah, that's our ministry. Of course,
• 1:26:13
  all the socials you can find us. Um, but
• 1:26:15
  pour it out is where Yeah, that's our
• 1:26:18
  website.
• 1:26:18
  >> Well, thank you both so much. just was
• 1:26:20
  truly a pleasure and I hope that we can
• 1:26:22
  continue our conversation when the
• 1:26:24
  cameras turn off too because it's
• 1:26:25
  [laughter] such it's such it's it's
• 1:26:26
  truly such a blessing to speak with you
• 1:26:28
  both. So I just I honor you and I thank
• 1:26:30
  you for being here.
• 1:26:31
  >> Oh, we're so honored. Thank you for
• 1:26:32
  having us, Angela. We're super honored.
• 1:26:34
  Yeah.
• 1:26:35
  >> Well, thank you guys for watching. Leave
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  a comment down below what you thought
• 1:26:38
  and I'll see youall in the next