Latest / Investor Exchange / OIO Holdings Q1 2025 Financials
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- 0:02Time for another Investor Exchange podcast. Here are your hosts, Matt and Sally.
- 0:08Welcome to the Deep Dive. Today, we're taking a closer look at OIO Holdings Limited.
- 0:12That's right. What really caught our attention, and probably yours too,
- 0:16is their latest financial update, the unaudited results for the first quarter of 2025.
- 0:22And it's significant because, well, you remember their auditors raised that
- 0:26material uncertainty flag about going concern in the last annual report. Exactly.
- 0:31So this release gives us a fresh look under the hood, especially given those
- 0:35concerns. It definitely warrants a closer look. Definitely.
- 0:37So for this deep dive, our main source is that PDF they released,
- 0:42the OIO results, 1Q 2025.
- 0:45Right. It's got all the key stuff, profit and loss, financial position,
- 0:49cash flows, equity changes, plus, you know, the notes and what management is saying.
- 0:53Okay, so our goal here is to really sift through this, pull out the key insights
- 0:58into how OIO Holdings actually performed financially in Q1.
- 1:02Yeah, figure out what's driving things. What they're projecting for the future.
- 1:05And basically, what does it all mean for someone just trying to get a clear,
- 1:09concise handle on the situation?
- 1:11Let's do it. Okay, so diving right in then.
- 1:14Financial performance overview, what's the big picture? What jumped out first?
- 1:17Well, the headline really is the revenue. It's down pretty sharply.
- 1:20Oh, sharply. Compared to Q1 last year, it dropped by almost 36%.
- 1:25So from around S-186,000 down to just $119,000.
- 1:31That's quite a slide. Wow. Okay. That's a big chunk. What's behind that drop?
- 1:36Any specific reasons mentioned?
- 1:38Yeah, they point to a couple of things. First, lower income from their digital
- 1:41wallets and staking services. That was down by about S-25,000. Okay.
- 1:46And second, maybe even more impactful, was the complete absence of agency service income this quarter.
- 1:52Last year, that brought in around S-41,000 dollars. Ah, I see. So a double hit there.
- 1:57Less from existing services and a whole income stream just gone for the quarter.
- 2:00Pretty much sums it up, yeah.
- 2:01So with less money coming in, how did that affect their actual profit,
- 2:05the gross profit? Well, as you'd expect, it took a big hit too.
- 2:08Gross profit fell by over 54 percent. 54 percent. Yeah.
- 2:13Dropped from almost as $130,000 in Q1 2024 down to just under at $60,000 this quarter.
- 2:19And the margin itself? That fell significantly too.
- 2:22The gross profit margin went from a pretty healthy 70% last year down to just about 50% this year.
- 2:28That's a major squeeze on their core profitability.
- 2:31Yeah. That signals some real pressure. Either trouble getting the same price
- 2:35or costs are maybe out of sync. It could be either or both. Yeah.
- 2:39And interestingly, on the cost side... Did costs go down with revenue?
- 2:43Not really. The cost of sales, what it actually cost them to deliver their services,
- 2:48it actually nudged up by almost 7%. Up, even with the lower revenue.
- 2:51Yeah, they mentioned higher costs for outsourcing services as the main reason.
- 2:55So less money coming in and slightly more expensive to earn it. Ouch.
- 2:59Okay, so lower revenue, tighter margins.
- 3:01Now, what about operating income? I heard there was a pretty dramatic shift
- 3:04there. Oh, absolutely. It's a complete reversal.
- 3:07Q1 2024, they had an operating profit of around $193,000.
- 3:12Okay. Q1 2025, an operating loss of over $731,000.
- 3:17That's quite the swing. What drove such a massive change?
- 3:20A huge factor was the drop in other operating income. It just plummeted down by over 94%.
- 3:26It's mainly because two big one-off games they had last year didn't happen again
- 3:31this year. Ah, okay. What were they?
- 3:33Well, first, they had reversed an impairment loss on some crypto assets that
- 3:37was worth about $313,000 in Q1 2024.
- 3:41Right. And second, they made a gain of around $56,000 from selling some crypto assets back then, too.
- 3:47So those were significant boosts last year that just weren't there this time.
- 3:51Exactly. It kind of suggests last year's Q1 profit was maybe inflated by these
- 3:55non-recurring items, making this year's loss look even starker,
- 4:00perhaps revealing a weaker underlying operational performance.
- 4:03Got it. So without those one-offs, the picture changes drastically. Yeah.
- 4:07Any positives in the operating income, however small? There was one minor thing,
- 4:12a gain of about S$44,000 from foreign exchange translation this quarter.
- 4:16Okay. But, you know, compared to the hundreds of thousands missing from last
- 4:19year's gains, it's, well, it doesn't move the needle much. Right.
- 4:22Let's shift gears to operating expenses. How did those look?
- 4:25It's actually a bit of a mixed bag here. Oh, how so?
- 4:28Well, on one side, their administrative expenses actually went down quite a
- 4:32bit, but about 34%. Okay, that's good.
- 4:34Why the decrease? A few reasons. They're not amortizing software development
- 4:38costs anymore because those were fully impaired last year that saved about $136K compared to Q1-24.
- 4:46Professional fees were lower by around $53K. They also stopped depreciating
- 4:50some right-of-use assets, again, fully impaired.
- 4:53And some office upkeep costs from last year seemed to have been one-offs.
- 4:57So some decent cost control on the admin side, but you said it was mixed.
- 5:02Yes, because while admin costs fell, their other operating expenses just exploded.
- 5:07They shot up by almost 340%. Whoa, 340%. What caused that surge?
- 5:13Primarily losses related to their crypto assets. They recorded an impairment
- 5:17loss, basically a write-down of about $254,000 on crypto they hold. Okay.
- 5:22And they also booked a loss of around $170,000 when they sold some crypto.
- 5:26So crypto volatility really hit them hard on the expense side too. Absolutely.
- 5:30It was partially offset because they didn't have a foreign exchange loss like
- 5:32last year and didn't write off any equipment. But those crypto losses were the main story.
- 5:37So the admin savings were basically wiped out and then some by these crypto
- 5:42issues. What about finance costs, interest payments and the like?
- 5:45Now, here's some genuinely good news for them.
- 5:48Finance costs fell off a cliff down almost 97 percent.
- 5:5297 percent. How? The main reason
- 5:54is they converted their convertible notes into shares back in FY 2024.
- 6:00So that debt is gone and the interest payments stop. Oh, OK.
- 6:03Just in Q1 2024, they paid over $17,000 in interest on those notes.
- 6:07So that's a real saving moving forward.
- 6:09That's a significant relief on the financing side. OK, so putting all these
- 6:13pieces together, revenue down, mixed expenses, lower finance costs.
- 6:17What was the final result? The bottom line? Well, the net result after tax for
- 6:21Q1 2025 was a loss of approximately $732,000 compared to a profit of about $175,000 in Q1 2024.
- 6:29So yeah, a really stark turnaround. The lower revenue, those missing one-off
- 6:33gains from last year, and the new crypto losses all piled up.
- 6:36Right. Definitely a challenging quarter for profitability.
- 6:39Let's pivot then to the balance sheet, their assets and liabilities,
- 6:43and also touch on cash flow. What are the highlights there?
- 6:46Okay, looking at assets first. Their non-current assets, the longer-term stuff, decreased quite a bit.
- 6:51Went from about $1.4 million down to $718 million.
- 6:56What drove that decrease? Mostly it was their crypto assets again.
- 6:58They sold some, as we mentioned.
- 7:00But also the market value of the crypto they still held dropped,
- 7:04leading to those impairment write-downs. Okay.
- 7:06And what about current assets, short-term stuff? Those actually went up from
- 7:09around $76,000 to S-170,000. Oh boy, the increase there.
- 7:13Mainly more cash and bank balances, plus an increase in what they call other
- 7:17receivables, things like prepayments and GST they expect to get back.
- 7:21Got it. Now, flipping to the other side, liabilities.
- 7:24What they owe? Any big moves in long-term debt, non-current liabilities?
- 7:29A slight decrease there. From about $6.4 million down to $6.3 million.
- 7:33Seems like it was mostly influenced by foreign exchange differences on some
- 7:38crypto advances in shareholder loans, plus some repayments on leases and a small
- 7:43reduction in a contingent liability.
- 7:44So relatively stable on the long term side. What about current liabilities, short term debts?
- 7:49Those went up from about $6.9 million to S1.2 million dollars.
- 7:54Why the increase there...
- 7:56The report points mainly to hire other payables, which could suggest they might
- 8:01be taking a bit longer to pay some bills or short-term obligations.
- 8:04Okay. So looking at current assets versus current liabilities,
- 8:07their working capital and their overall equity position, how does that stack up?
- 8:12Well, the working capital situation is still negative, meaning short-term debts
- 8:15are higher than short-term assets.
- 8:16And that negative position actually worsens slightly. It's around $1.0 million now.
- 8:22Which isn't ideal for liquidity. No, it's not. And their overall shareholder's
- 8:25equity, or rather their equity deficit, also deepened.
- 8:28It's now down to about $6.6 million, mainly because of that net loss they took during the quarter.
- 8:33Right. So the balance sheet reflects those operational struggles.
- 8:37Okay, let's talk cash flow. How did cash move in and out?
- 8:40From their main operating activities, they actually had a net cash outflow of about $0.2 million.
- 8:46So the day-to-day business used up cash. Yes. And it's worth remembering,
- 8:50like we touched on, about $0.1 million of their revenue came in as crypto,
- 8:55which isn't counted as cash flow until it's converted. That's a key detail.
- 8:59OK, what about investing activities, buying or selling long term assets?
- 9:02That actually brought cash in, a net inflow of roughly $0.3 million.
- 9:07How? Primarily because they converted some of those crypto assets into regular currency, into fiat.
- 9:13So selling crypto generated cash. OK, liquidating some crypto holdings.
- 9:17And lastly, financing activities, loans, shares, et cetera.
- 9:21A very small net cash outflow there, only about CO.01 million dollars,
- 9:26mainly just repayments on lease liabilities.
- 9:29OK, so operations used cash, investing brought some in via crypto sales and financing was minimal.
- 9:34Right. Let's get to the elephant in the room. The going concern issue.
- 9:38Exactly. That auditor's warning from last year hangs over this.
- 9:41What does this Q1 report say about the company's view on its ability to keep
- 9:47operating and how are they addressing that uncertainty?
- 9:50So the report directly addresses this. The board outlined several factors why
- 9:55they believe the company can continue as a going concern despite that previous audit flag.
- 10:00Okay, what are they pinning their hopes on? What's their argument?
- 10:03Well, first, they point to the value of their crypto assets,
- 10:06the ones classified as intangible assets valued at over S825,000.
- 10:11They argue these convertible to cash.
- 10:13Second, they mention a non-cash item, $50,000 in share-based compensation that's
- 10:18sitting in payables but doesn't actually require a cash outlay right now.
- 10:22Okay, so asset value and a non-cash expense.
- 10:25What about actual financial support, cash injections? This seems to be the core of it.
- 10:29They highlight first that a S1.1 million dollar interest-free loan from a controlling
- 10:34shareholder has had his repayment date pushed way back beyond July 2026.
- 10:39That gives them significant breathing room. Absolutely.
- 10:42And second, critically, that same controlling shareholder has committed to providing
- 10:47up to $2.80 million in additional financial support over the next 12 months,
- 10:52starting from April 2025.
- 10:54Wow. Okay. That sounds like a lifeline. It really does.
- 10:57It appears to be a key reason why the board feels confident of continuing operations
- 11:02for the foreseeable future. Are they looking at other ways to raise money too?
- 11:06Beyond shareholder support? Yes. They explicitly state they're planning to explore
- 11:10corporate fundraising exercises.
- 11:12So, trying to bring in fresh capital from the market or other investors. Right.
- 11:16So the plan seems to be leverage crypto assets, manage payables,
- 11:21rely heavily on the main shareholder support and try to raise external funds.
- 11:24What's their broader take on the market and their own future direction?
- 11:28Well, management sort of frames Q1 2025 as a period of recalibration for the...
- 11:33Whole blockchain and crypto industry. Acknowledging the turbulence.
- 11:37Yeah. But they also say they still believe in the long-term fundamentals.
- 11:40And interestingly, they highlight real-world asset tokenization,
- 11:44using blockchain for things like property or other physical assets as a key
- 11:50growth area they're watching.
- 11:51They note increasing interest there from traditional finance, too.
- 11:55So positioning themselves towards potentially more stable institutional applications
- 11:59of blockchain. That seems to be the angle.
- 12:02They say their focus moving forward is on strategic partnerships,
- 12:05finding new revenue streams, and of course, keeping a tight rein on costs.
- 12:09It's about navigating the current choppy waters while aiming for those emerging opportunities.
- 12:14Okay, let's try to wrap this up. Summarizing the key takeaways from this deep
- 12:17dive into OIO's Q1 2025 results, what are the main points listeners should remember?
- 12:23I think the big picture is pretty clear.
- 12:25OIO saw a really significant drop in revenue and swung from a profit last year
- 12:30to a substantial loss this quarter, driven by, well, a mix of things,
- 12:34lower crypto-related income, the disappearance of that agency service revenue,
- 12:38and crucially, those big impairment and disposal losses on their crypto holdings this time around.
- 12:45Despite some savings on the admin side? Exactly.
- 12:48Those savings just weren't enough to offset the other hits. And the balance
- 12:52sheet reflects this stress. It does.
- 12:54Negative working capital continues. The shareholder equity deficit has grown.
- 12:58It's not a strong financial position on paper. But there's a but.
- 13:01But yeah, the management is expressing confidence in staying afloat.
- 13:04They're leaning heavily on that extended loan and the promised S2 million dollar
- 13:09injection from the controlling shareholder, plus hopes of raising more external capital.
- 13:14So it's a company facing real financial challenges, maybe even precariousness,
- 13:18but with a stated plan and critically significant backing from at least one major stakeholder.
- 13:25Okay, final thought for our listeners trying to digest this.
- 13:28I think OIO's situation really highlights just how intertwined a company like
- 13:32this can be with the wild swings of the crypto market, even if they try to build
- 13:37other blockchain services.
- 13:38Right. Their performance is clearly impacted by crypto prices and activity,
- 13:42both positively and negatively.
- 13:45Understanding that dynamic alongside their efforts in areas like asset tokenization
- 13:49and their reliance on shareholder support is really key to assessing where they
- 13:53might be headed. And as always, for the full picture.
- 13:55Music.