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Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for the heads up, so I'm not tripping later on. Hey, dude.
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Speaker 3: Good to see you, man.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good to see you, too.
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Speaker 3: What's cracking? You got a diamond in your tooth? Is
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that what's going on?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Nice. That's fun.
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Speaker 3: My friend Cam just got a gold tooth, and I
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was giving him a hard time. Then I was like, damn,
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I think I want one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to get one, dude.
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking of getting a gold tooth. I have a cap.
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I have a root canal. I'm going to get a
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cap out of one of them. I think I'm going
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to swap it out for a gold tooth.
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Speaker 1: Do it. Do it. Fuck yeah. I got one back
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here somewhere. It's just that little, like, I don't know,
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that little pirate thing starts to happen.
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Speaker 3: I know. It's just a little outcast-y.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: So what's cracking, brother? How you doing?
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Speaker 1: I'm good, man. I'm good. I'm stoked to be here
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to see you.
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Speaker 3: Stoked to have you here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, man. Shit, I wish I was staying longer now.
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But we'll make the best of it.
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Speaker 3: How long are you staying? How long are you in
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town for?
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Speaker 1: I'm leaving after.
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Speaker 3: Right after this?
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Speaker 1: After you, yeah.
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Speaker 3: Where are you headed?
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Speaker 1: Back home, L.A. My son is getting married.
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Speaker 3: Oh, congratulations.
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Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks. Which is such a trip, dude. You know, like,
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he's 29. And he's getting married. And I'm just, I've
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been kind of tripping out on that. Like, dude, where
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the fuck did that time A go? Right. And like,
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I'm so fucking happy for him that he's been seeing
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this girl for seven years. I'm so proud that he
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did exactly the opposite of his dad. You know what
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I mean?
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Speaker 3: Right, right.
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Speaker 1: He knows and they've been, Basically, they've been married, you know,
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and they're just making it official now. And I'm just
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so happy for them. Like, I tell them all the time, like,
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so happy for you, dude. Like, you know, you use
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some patience and some love and, like, mix it all
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around and put some time in there. And, you know, shit's, like,
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your survival rate is going to be way better. Way better.
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And that makes me really happy.
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Speaker 3: And your happiness rate. I think if you're a kid
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and your dad is Tommy Lee and you've had such
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a fucking crazy chaotic life, he's probably like, slow down.
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Give me a fucking yard and a picket fence and whoa.
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Speaker 1: Totally. Totally. That's why like, you know, in the drift
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of everything, I'm really surprised and I'm really happy he
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just like pumped the brakes.
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Speaker 3: That's awesome.
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Speaker 1: Just like make sure that what he's doing is the
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real shit.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, especially in L.A. with a rock star dad,
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it's like there's so many bad influences. There's so many
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ways you could go. Well, you could just ruin your
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fucking life. It's so easy to ruin your life if
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you're in the wrong circles.
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Speaker 1: Dude.
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Speaker 3: So easy.
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 3: Because everybody else is doing it too. You're like, hey,
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I guess we're doing meth.
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Speaker 1: I know. Fuck.
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Speaker 3: I'm fucking just– I mean I know people that are
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good people that have fallen down that rabbit hole and
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they're not bad people. They're not even stupid, man. They
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just made a bad decision for whatever reason and then
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next thing you know, they're all strung out. And it's like,
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LA is the hub of that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: There's so much of that going on in LA.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you are, have any sort of, that
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sort of shit magnet attached to you. Yeah. You know,
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the shady friends and the weird circles you just kind of.
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Of course. And all of a sudden you're just fucking. Oh.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't live in the rock and roll world,
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but I think that's probably the most attractive to like
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crazy people.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Like that world. That is the world where if you're
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a fucking kook, like you gravitate towards that world, you know?
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It's probably so hard to find like sane, balanced people
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that are– Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You know? Yeah.
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Speaker 3: They have their shit together. It's like it's almost impossible.
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So like you just– Comparing yourself to the other chaotic
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people you're around. And you're the fucking drummer in Motley Crue.
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Speaker 1: I mean, how are you.
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Speaker 3: Supposed to be normal? What the fuck are you talking about?
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What kind of life is that? That's such a bizarre life.
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It's the craziest life of all time. You're fucking slamming
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the drums on stage in front of literally a sea
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of human beings singing along to your music. Nobody can
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understand that.
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Speaker 1: I know, man.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've seen it all. They've seen it all. Like,
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I put them to work out on tour, you know,
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just so, you know, we could hang out and spend time.
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They're like, you know, get them a radio. All of
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a sudden, one of my sons is part of the
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lighting crew helping those guys. My other son is like,
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all he wants to know about is like, Dad, I
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want to be in charge of all the after show passes.
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I'll go out while you're playing and I'm going to
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hit all the chicks. And, like, my son is out
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there just stack of passes. Come on back afterwards. Come
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on back. And then watching him, like, have just running it, right?
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It just, like, brings a tear to my.
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Speaker 3: Eye, man. That's cool.
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Speaker 1: That's very cool.
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Speaker 3: When you look back, like, how much of a dream
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does it feel? I mean, it's got to feel very
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bizarre that you, you know, Every young guy who plays
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music wants to be in a gigantic band. They all
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want to be rock stars. And when it actually happens
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for you and then you're looking back on it, like
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how fucking surreal does it all feel?
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Speaker 1: It's dude, I pinch myself still daily, literally. And I'm,
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I'm just fucking, I don't know, man. I'm just lucky
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to be here. I'm lucky I get to do this.
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I always say to people like, There's a couple of
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things that are involved with that whole thing. There's some luck,
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some talent, timing of things. And when those things kind
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of all line up and it happens for you and
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it just happens at fucking supersonic speeds where like a
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lot of it's a fucking blur. Like a ton of
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it's a blur where you have to have somebody else
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like remind you. You're like, oh shit, that's right. I
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totally forgot we did that. You know, like about crazy times.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a trip, dude. I spend a lot of time, like,
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hanging on.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: Fuck. Here we go.
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Speaker 3: Did you get a chance, like, when you were coming
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up to talk to any other rock stars? Did anybody
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give you advice on how to handle things? Like, how
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weird it's going to be?
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Speaker 1: No. I'm trying to think of any sort of a.
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mentor kind of dude on like how to survive the shit.
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Speaker 3: Like no pull keith richards aside and say hey man
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how about a few tips how'd you do this he's
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still here Bro, I saw them at CODA, at the
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Circuit of the Americas a couple years back. They were
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fucking incredible, man. Incredible.
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Speaker 1: Insane.
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Speaker 3: They're like, how old is Keith?
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Speaker 1: Dude.
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Speaker 3: Are they like 80?
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Speaker 1: He's gotta be.
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Speaker 3: Mick is like 80? Bro, Mick is moving around and
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dancing and singing.
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Speaker 1: Insane.
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Speaker 3: Insane.
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Speaker 1: Dude, and let me tell you a fun, quick little
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story here. Motley Crue gets to open up for the
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Rolling Stones. This was on Halloween, I forget what fucking year.
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We were at some stadium, and I think it was Toronto.
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We got to open for them, and we were so
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fucking pumped. We were like, dude, are you kidding me?
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We get to fucking do this? Anyway, we play our
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show back in the dressing room. After we're done, the
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Stones tour manager comes into the dressing room and goes, Tommy.
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I was like, yeah. He goes, Mick, Ronnie, and Keith
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would like to see you. And I was like, Brad.
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I fucking head over there. And, dude, this is 20
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minutes before they're to go on. I go into their world,
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and they bring a bartender around with them. So there's
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a guy set up just slinging fucking drinks. Mick isn't hammered,
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but fucking Keith and Ronnie, dude, They were fucking walking
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on their lips. I'm talking shitty like, hey, fucking right.
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Just falling over with their guitars.
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Speaker 3: 20 minutes before they go on stage.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, how are these guys going to fuck? There's
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no way they're playing. I'm sorry. There's no way. No
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fucking way. And all of a sudden, we took a
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couple of photos and it was like, let's go to
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the stage. And I'm like, oh, I got to see this.
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I'm walking with them, right? They get up there, fucking
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lights go out. Boom. They fucking, I think they started
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with start me up. And it was like a switch flipped.
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All of a sudden those guys were fucking money, like
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100% fucking rocking out. I was like, how did they
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just go? They've been doing it for so long that
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they just, they're masters of the controls. They're like, yeah, okay.
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I guess we can get this amount of fucked up
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and then we can go. Like, it's okay.
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Speaker 3: I think some guys just.
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Speaker 1: was a crazy level. Like I was, I saw that.
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You could barely talk. And then they went up there
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and fucking ripped it. I wish I saw that.
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Speaker 3: Some guys just want to be fucked up to just
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feel the experience, just to just ride it like a
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wild bull, you know, just wherever you land. That's what
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some guys like to do it. I mean, and rock,
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I don't have to tell you, Rock and roll music
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is the heart of that. That's where it really goes down,
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where a lot of guys like to get fucked up
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before they play. You want to see something fucking inspirational?
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I'm going to show you something crazy.
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Speaker 1: Always.
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Speaker 3: This is, have you seen, Jamie, have you seen Rick
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Springfield lately?
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Speaker 1: I did just see him, and I was like, whoa, dude.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to send you a video, and it's going
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to blow you away. This is literally bananas. This is
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Rick Springfield. He's 76 years old. Okay? 76.
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Speaker 1: 76.
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Speaker 3: 76. And he's singing Jessie's Girl like he just wrote it.
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And he's fucking.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Put the headphones on.
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Speaker 1: Bro.
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Speaker 3: Put the headphones on and back this up from the beginning. Whoa. Well,
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I just sent it to you on Instagram.
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Speaker 1: He's ripped.
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Speaker 3: Click on the other link then, the one that I
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sent you on Instagram. Because you can't, first of all,
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he looks fucking incredible. Like he's working out every day
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or something. I mean, I don't even understand it. He
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looks like a 30-year-old guy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And he's singing the song like he just wrote it. Bro, 76.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: You know it feels so dirty when they start talking
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that's crazy.
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Speaker 1: Amazing, man.
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Speaker 3: Amazing.
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Speaker 1: That's fucking inspirational.
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Speaker 3: Inspirational. 76 years old. And the passion and enthusiasm is
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what kills me. This is not a guy who's like
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just going out there and going through the motions. He's
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singing that song like he just wrote it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
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Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, Rick Springfield.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good job, bro.
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Speaker 3: Fuck yeah. That's amazing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I've been sending that to everybody. I'm like, fuck yeah.
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Speaker 1: I saw that. I saw that clip and I was like, whoa.
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Speaker 3: A lot of people in their 76 are basically waiting
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to die. This dude's on stage with no shirt on,
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fucking crushing life.
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Speaker 1: Dude, I love it.
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Speaker 3: I love it.
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Speaker 1: That's going to be me still 10 years from now,
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fucking just rocking shit.
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Speaker 3: Well, I remember in the 80s, there were no old
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rock stars. Like, no one was out there touring that
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was an old rock star.
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Speaker 1: You're right. You're right.
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Speaker 3: And then the Stones released a new album. I think
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it was like 88 or 89.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And everybody was like, wow, they're going to tour again?
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It was almost like, aren't they done with this? Like,
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they're older now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And then it started being a thing where a bunch
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of older guys would, like, go out on tour that
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hadn't been on tour in a while. And now it's–
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and people are like, why are we retiring?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Like, why? Why would I stop doing the most amazing
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thing that a human being ever gets to do?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that you love to do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: No, let me stop doing that.
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Speaker 3: It was like a thing with hip hop artists, too.
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They would get to an older age and people just
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didn't appreciate them anymore. It's like it was like a
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young guy's game. But now a lot of those older
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guys are going on tour, too. And people realize, oh,
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these guys are fucking dope. Like I saw Run DMC
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went on or excuse me, Public Enemy went on with
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I think it was I think it was Bruce Springsteen.
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I think Bruce Springsteen had them go up in one
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of his concerts. I'm like, fuck yeah, look at these dudes.
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They're killing it. They're still getting after it.
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Speaker 1: That's the best, man. You got to love that. And
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I think that... I don't know if you call it
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a resurgence or just that style of like... There are
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certain things that were really great that have stood the
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test of time. And I really think that... The way
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shit is now, man, there is too fucking much. Like,
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there's too much music. Like, Spotify releases like 300 fucking
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thousand songs a day. Really? Who the fuck is listening
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to all this music, dude? I'm in the business, and
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if I can't keep up, how can a fan of
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music keep up? So I just, I think that the
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excess of It's just static, and it's really blown a
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hole through for original stuff, really good stuff, because a
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lot of the stuff is all kind of sounding the
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same now. But I think that it's been a cool
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progression that's sort of fueled that. I don't know if
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I'm making sense.
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Speaker 3: No, you're making sense.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm trying to say? There's so much
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static now that– the sort of.
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Speaker 3: The something has to be undeniable to break through.
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Speaker 1: The authentic stuff still fucking holds water yeah big time
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and you.
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Speaker 3: Know well there's always like one song that all of
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a sudden resonates and just goes super viral because people
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listen to it and go holy shit yeah there's always
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going to be something that's exceptional but I do agree
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it's impossible there's a lot of great music that I
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don't know anything about and then someone turns me on
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to it and I'm like how the fuck did I not.
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Speaker 1: Know this guy yeah yeah And had your friends not
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turned you on to that, you'd never fucking know.
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Speaker 3: Well, there's no real radio anymore.
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Speaker 1: No. Right?
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Speaker 3: So how do you find out? When I was a kid,
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when I was in high school, a new Motley Crue
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song came out. It was on the fucking radio.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, right.
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Speaker 3: And then you knew, all right, the new album's out.
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Let's go get the new album.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And that was with every major band. It was like,
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then you got MTV. MTV came along. Oh, the music
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video's out. The album's out. But now it's like anyone
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can just put stuff up, you know.
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Speaker 1: Which is great.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, which is cool. But it's also– look, it's all
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overall positive because you have more artists and more people
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that are doing what they want to do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: More people that are making music, which is awesome. But, like,
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it's the same thing with movies. Can you imagine if
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you had to watch every movie ever made? You'd have
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to be a million years old until we'd never finish.
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Speaker 1: Exactly.
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Speaker 3: It's not enough hours in the day.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's the same musically– what's happening musically, that's happening
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with everything entertainment-wise, with films, television shows. There's an abundance of, like,
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it's just too much. How do people... I mean, people
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got these, you know, TV packages where they've got subscriptions 4,000
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different places, and you still can't find anything to watch.
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You're like... What the fuck is happening here, everybody? We
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got to, like, peel it back a little bit. Make
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it a little easier here.
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Speaker 3: Well, there's so many options. Too many options. It's almost
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like dating apps, right? Like, if some chick is chewing
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her food with her mouth open, you're like, swipe.
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Speaker 1: Like, who's next?
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Speaker 3: Like, people get, they don't get a chance to know anybody.
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And I think that's also the same thing with movies
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and TV shows. Because if you're watching Netflix, if you
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get bored for three seconds, you're like, fuck this movie.
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What else is on? Bip, bip, bip. You know? Okay,
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try this one. And you watch that for 10 minutes,
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not fuck this. I would like to see their numbers
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of like how long people actually watch a show or
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a movie on Netflix before they shut it off. I
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bet it's way different than in the past. I bet
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in the old days, most people watched the movie to
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the end.
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Speaker 1: Sure.
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Speaker 3: I bet now it's like 20%.
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Speaker 1: Oh, dude. If that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I'm just going to say a little bit more.
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Speaker 3: If that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: It's short attention span life right now. It's very– Very
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bad for you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes you got to just take something in.
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Speaker 1: And that affects the people who create the stuff because
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you realize I'm dealing with a bunch of fucking six-year-olds here.
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And if my shit isn't banging within the first– whether
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it's a movie or a song or whatever it is,
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whatever your art is, if it's not fucking ripping your
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face off and grabbing your attention within three or four
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seconds– You're next. Next.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. When that's just the world we're in. And that
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affects people who make the stuff because they really got
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to put the best shit up front quick or else
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you're going to lose everybody.
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Speaker 3: A hundred percent.
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Speaker 1: And that sucks. Yeah. That sucks.
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Speaker 3: They don't have to give in to that.
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Speaker 1: Nobody's got time for. for suspense or... Yeah. Ah, fuck that.
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Speaker 3: It's like the most bizarre song ever.
20:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of drum solo-y, kind of off into nowhere.
20:41
Speaker 3: And classically, Freebird. When Leonard Skinner released Freebird, they're like, no, no, no,
20:45
this song takes way too long to get going. It's
20:49
so long. It's like a seven-minute song. This is never
20:52
going to fly. Meanwhile, it's one of the greatest anthems
20:54
in the history of the world. And perhaps the greatest
20:57
guitar solo in the history of the fucking human race. Right, right.
21:01
You know? Freebird, when that dude gets going, you see
21:04
it live and everybody's fucking... The whole fucking place is
21:08
going off. It's one of the greatest guitar solos in
21:10
the history of the fucking human race. And their record
21:13
company was like, it's too long. People don't have any
21:16
attention span for this, guys.
21:17
Speaker 1: God, even back then people were fucking hating.
21:20
Speaker 3: Well, it's always the people that are the money people.
21:23
Because all they give a fuck about is money. And
21:25
you're in the creative side of it. And the money
21:27
people are just pimping out the creative side of it.
21:30
And they're just trying to get you to suck as
21:32
many dicks as they can because they want to buy
21:35
a Rolls Royce. They're like, come on. Suck that dick.
21:38
Let's go.
21:38
Speaker 1: Let's go.
21:39
Speaker 3: And they don't give a fuck about you or your
21:41
reputation because then they got fucking Nickelback over here and
21:44
this guy over there. And there's always a new band.
21:46
They can push and pimp.
21:48
Speaker 1: Yeah.
21:48
Speaker 3: And so they just want to make the maximum amount
21:50
of money possible. So they always have shitty advice because
21:53
their advice is based on making money.
21:55
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And for that reason– When we were on
22:01
Electro Records, they were never allowed in the studio. No
22:06
one from the label.
22:07
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
22:08
Speaker 1: We allowed them once, and he came in and started
22:10
making changes or suggesting edits and stuff. We're like, out.
22:18
Speaker 4: Out.
22:19
Speaker 3: Yeah.
22:19
Speaker 1: You'll get it when it's done here.
22:21
Speaker 3: Oh, God. So gross.
22:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. Here's some guy making those kind of calls
22:27
who has no idea. Not a musician, has no idea
22:31
about what key the fucking song's in. All he knows
22:34
is it's too long.
22:35
Speaker 3: Yeah.
22:36
Speaker 1: And we've got to get to it quicker.
22:38
Speaker 3: Well, it's these people that have ego for no real reason.
22:43
They're just kind of, they're just involved with other great
22:46
creative people and that's what they sell. That's their business
22:49
is to sell stuff that's awesome. And somehow or another
22:52
they think it makes them awesome. It's very weird. Like,
22:56
you know, Zach Bryan, he's got a great song called,
23:00
I think it's Damn Cold Vampires or Cold Damn Vampires.
23:03
It's a great fucking song about.
23:04
Speaker 1: It's a fucking tongue twister.
23:06
Speaker 3: It's a great fucking song. It's about the music industry.
23:08
And it's about these vampires that are just sucking blood
23:14
out of these artists. And it was a great song,
23:17
a great line in the song, trying to make an
23:20
empire of the things that you create. They're making an
23:24
empire from other people's work. That's what they're doing. But
23:27
they somehow or another think that they're responsible and that
23:30
they have an insight. I'm good at my job, Tommy Lee.
23:34
Let me tell you something, kid. I know music. And
23:37
that drum solo, 14 seconds too long. I'm going to
23:41
tell you why. I'm going to show you these statistics.
23:44
We've got a guy.
23:44
Speaker 1: We've got statistics.
23:45
Speaker 3: We've got the best guy, the best statistics guy. He
23:48
knows when people are– and when they get to this
23:50
fucking part of the drum solo, they tune out, Tommy.
23:53
We've got to stop them from tuning out.
23:55
Speaker 1: Totally.
23:56
Speaker 3: Because I want to get a Kona seg. I want
23:57
to get one of them fucking $ 2 million cars. These cunts,
24:02
they exist in every walk of life where one person
24:07
is like a creative type that's not business oriented. And
24:10
you need a business person.
24:11
Speaker 1: Yes.
24:12
Speaker 3: So the business people come in because someone's got to
24:14
sell it. You're not going to fucking sell it.
24:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, right.
24:15
Speaker 1: What are you going to do?
24:16
Speaker 3: You're going to make your own record company? You're going
24:18
to hire your own executives and do your own promotion?
24:20
Get the fuck out of here.
24:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
24:21
Speaker 3: You can't.
24:22
Speaker 4: Yeah.
24:22
Speaker 3: So they come along and they get involved and they
24:25
fuck it all up.
24:26
Speaker 1: Yeah.
24:27
Speaker 3: And how many guys have listened to them and ruined
24:29
their careers because they listened to them?
24:31
Speaker 1: Oh, man.
24:32
Speaker 3: You know the Billy Squire story?
24:35
Speaker 1: What? So Billy Squire was the shit when I was
24:41
in high school.
24:41
Speaker 3: He had that song Lonely is the Night. Oh, my God.
24:45
Speaker 1: I love Billy Squire.
24:46
Speaker 3: Dude, The Stroke. He was fantastic. And he did one
24:51
music video where it was like very effeminate. It was
24:55
like really weird.
24:57
Speaker 1: Oh, was it when he's in his pajamas or something?
24:59
Speaker 3: It was really weird. And everybody was like, nope.
25:03
Speaker 1: Yeah. What is he doing? Yeah.
25:04
Speaker 3: It was really weird. And to this day, I don't
25:07
know if that was his idea or somebody else's idea.
25:10
They just took a wild chance.
25:11
Speaker 1: Yeah.
25:12
Speaker 3: I don't know. No one knows. I pray to God
25:14
it was his idea. Because at least, like, he's creative,
25:17
made a creative decision, didn't work out, whatever.
25:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, fine.
25:20
Speaker 3: But if someone tanked his career because they wanted him
25:25
to act feminine in a song, it was like.
25:30
The reaction was crazy because this guy was like a
25:34
sex symbol. He was like, you know, shirt down to his,
25:37
you know, open up down to his pants. He was
25:40
a bad motherfucker. He could sing his ass off.
25:43
Speaker 1: He's a star.
25:44
Speaker 3: One music video tanked him.
25:47
Speaker 1: I think it was My Condo Lover. I think that
25:49
was the song where.
25:51
Speaker 3: See if you can find what the video was. This
25:53
is it.
25:54
Speaker 4: It was a documentary someone made on Facebook, I found.
25:58
Speaker 3: About it?
25:58
Speaker 4: About this whole thing, yeah.
25:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is it. Yeah, so it was very weird.
26:03
Speaker 1: What song is it? Can you hear? I will....
26:09
Speaker 3: So it was somebody else's idea? That guy with the face?
26:12
That guy with the face looks like the guy that
26:16
would tell you.
26:16
Speaker 1: Totally.
26:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's crawling around on his knees and his hands
26:20
are at his knees.
26:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:21
Speaker 3: It was weird. It was very weird.
26:24
Speaker 1: Fuck, what song was this?
26:26
Speaker 3: You know, if he was like, look at this. Look
26:29
at him skipping around. It was very odd.
26:32
Speaker 1: That guy.
26:33
Speaker 3: That seems like the type of guy that would give
26:34
you the bad advice.
26:35
Speaker 1: Something Me Tonight is the name of the song. I
26:38
want to... Fuck.
26:40
Speaker 3: I don't know.
26:40
Speaker 1: I'll look up his song. You're not familiar with that title.
26:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know either.
26:43
Speaker 1: But I know... That was it. I remember that.
26:45
Speaker 3: And everybody's like, nope.
26:47
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:48
Speaker 3: That's a wrap. And that guy should have had like
26:51
fucking 50 giant albums. That guy was amazing.
26:54
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:55
Speaker 3: Such an incredible singer, man.
26:57
Speaker 1: So loud.
26:58
Speaker 3: Rock Me Tonight, 1984.
27:00
Speaker 1: Oh.
27:00
Speaker 3: I have to cut.
27:04
Speaker 1: That out.
27:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll cut that part out. But you can see
27:06
him dancing around.
27:08
Speaker 1: Like, look at this.
27:09
Speaker 3: Don't do that, buddy. What is this? He's like.
27:13
Speaker 1: Yeah. Don't do that. Yeah, we need you on the
27:16
ground swarming around. Hopefully.
27:18
Speaker 3: Hopefully it was his idea.
27:19
Speaker 1: Yeah.
27:20
Speaker 3: My God, if this was somebody else's idea. I want
27:22
you to be looser. I want you to be looser.
27:25
I want you to be more free. I want you
27:28
to be like, I want to feel it. I want
27:31
to feel your vulnerable side. I want you on your
27:34
hands and knees. I want you crawling. This is what
27:37
I want you to do. I want you to be
27:38
like this. Like you barely can crawl. Like you're having
27:41
a hard time crawling. That's what girls like. Girls like
27:44
a guy who struggles to crawl.
27:46
Speaker 1: Yes, dude. Oh, my God. Like what the fuck.
27:50
Speaker 3: Did you do to him?
27:52
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. What did you do to him? I know.
27:55
I hope it was his idea.
27:57
Speaker 3: Despite its major success, the song is sometimes associated with
27:59
the end of his career as a singles musician due
28:02
to the music video, which is described as one of
28:04
the worst ever in a 2011 book I want my MTV,
28:08
the uncensored story of the music video revolution. Shows Squire
28:14
dancing around in a bed with pastel-colored satin sheets and
28:17
wearing a pink tank top. Squire's concert ticket sales immediately declined,
28:22
and he later fired his managers. He has accused Ortega
28:26
of deceiving him and altering his original concept, which Ortega denies,
28:30
while Squire remains steadfast that the video was solely responsible
28:33
for the initial decline of his popularity. Other commentators are
28:36
less certain. Well, I'm pretty certain. I remember it. I
28:40
remember kids in high school going, what the fuck, bro?
28:43
Speaker 1: What the fuck is Billy Squire doing, bro?
28:46
Speaker 3: That shit's gay, bro. Because Billy Squire was the man.
28:49
I mean, he could have been another John Mellencamp. He
28:54
could have gone on forever.
28:55
Speaker 1: For sure.
28:56
Speaker 3: Like, what the fuck, dude? 84, one song, one music video?
29:02
Speaker 1: Insane. That is really crazy if you think about it.
29:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nuts. It's nuts. Well, that's the craziest thing
29:09
about– we think about like the success of Motley Crue
29:12
and bands like from your era. The fact that you
29:15
guys endured for so long, like still to this day. Bro,
29:20
if I'm working out in the gym and Kickstart My
29:22
Heart comes on, I swear to God I get stronger.
29:25
Speaker 1: Yeah.
29:30
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah! You get pumped, man. That song's a drug.
29:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one, man, I can't tell you how fun,
29:39
how it rewarding that is to, like, sit back and, like,
29:44
I don't know, the Super Bowl's on and the fucking kickoff. Oh, dude.
29:49
Speaker 3: We got to cut it out, but I want to
29:50
hear it. Throw Kickstart My Heart on. We'll cut it.
29:53
We have to cut it out for YouTube. We'll get
29:56
docked with. The fucking money people come involved. Meanwhile, we're
30:00
just promoting music. God damn it. With Tommy Lee, you motherfuckers.
30:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, right?
30:04
Speaker 3: You fucking hear it. This fucking song. Oh, is this live?
30:08
Don't give me a live one. Give me the actual one. Bro,
30:11
that was one of the most American songs that's ever
30:13
been made. Ever.
30:15
Speaker 1: That song is fuel.
30:19
Speaker 3: That song is fucking fuel. If you were running in
30:21
a race and you're thinking about quitting and that song
30:23
comes on your headphones, you're like.
30:24
Speaker 1: Let's fucking go.
30:26
Speaker 3: Let's fucking go. Songs like that, they really do give
30:31
you energy. They really are like a drug.
30:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're definitely injected.
30:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, it changes your state.
30:41
Speaker 1: I love that one. Isn't that fucking wild, the power
30:44
that music has? Like, the right kind of song. You know,
30:48
everybody's different, but there's nothing better than, like, I get
30:52
fucking goosebumps, bro. If something comes along that just, and
30:58
it gets inside you. Yeah. It's fucking infectious, and all
31:01
of a sudden you're like, dude, it's taking over my
31:03
whole body. I'm fucking tingling. Yeah. Hair's standing up. And
31:09
you're like, what is that? Yeah. What the fuck is that? Like,
31:12
I want to fucking bottle that up and try to
31:15
recreate whatever that is.
31:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just an encapsulation of emotion with sound frequencies
31:23
that just changes your physical state. It does something to
31:26
you that's like, it's one of the most amazing creations
31:29
that human beings have ever done. One of the most
31:33
amazing accomplishments that human beings have ever done is just
31:36
make incredible music. Because it's one of the things that
31:40
it affects us in a way that like nothing else.
31:43
And you can hear them over and over and over
31:45
and over again. Like a great joke is awesome the
31:48
first time. But after you hear it the second time,
31:50
it loses a little of its power. The third time,
31:52
it gets a little boring. A great song, I can
31:56
listen to that. Sometimes when I'm working out, I just
31:58
put something on repeat. I'm like, oh, I just want
32:00
to hear this song, one song over and over and
32:02
over again.
32:02
Speaker 1: And just wear the fucker out.
32:03
Speaker 3: Wear that fucker out. I don't care. It's so good.
32:06
I don't give a fuck. I just want to feel.
32:08
Let's fucking go. And every time it comes back, I'm like, fuck, yeah.
32:12
And we're back.
32:13
Speaker 1: You know?
32:14
Speaker 3: It's like it changes the frequency of your actual soul.
32:18
Speaker 4: Yes.
32:19
Speaker 3: Like your body gets moved by it. You feel different.
32:24
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question because you're into
32:26
all this fucking crazy shit. Yeah. I saw somewhere recently,
32:32
and this just goes along with that feeling, that euphoric
32:35
feeling you get when the right notes or frequencies hit you.
32:42
I saw that through sound, certain frequencies, like some dude
32:47
in China, some doctor in China, or is it Japan,
32:53
is this close to healing fucking cancer through sound. Through frequency. Really?
33:00
Speaker 3: No, I haven't seen that.
33:02
Speaker 1: Have you seen any of this?
33:03
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it, but I wouldn't be surprised.
33:05
Speaker 1: I wouldn't either because, you know, it just fascinates me
33:10
because there is those frequencies out there that you know
33:14
about them, 432, 432 hertz. You've heard about that stuff?
33:18
Speaker 3: Explain it to people.
33:20
Speaker 1: Well, it's just there's some weird, what do you call it,
33:26
conspiracy theories about– Originally, our music like Bach, Beethoven, back
33:33
in those days, was tuned to 432 hertz. And this
33:43
is the conspiracy bullshit part about it. At some point,
33:46
and people say Hitler changed the tuning, the pitch of music,
33:54
and now everything was raised to 440 instead of you
34:01
know 432 instead of 432 now it's at 440 it's
34:07
it's up and it's in the frequency is more aggressive
34:11
and it was said that it was done to give
34:14
the soldiers more fucking you know angst and correct this music.
34:19
Speaker 3: Well they were also given a meth Excuse me? They
34:22
were also giving them meth.
34:24
Speaker 1: Between meth and Kickstart My Heart.
34:26
Speaker 3: Imagine if the Nazis had Kickstart My Heart. It would
34:29
have been a real problem.
34:30
Speaker 1: Dude, no, no.
34:31
Speaker 3: Kickstart My Heart in German?
34:33
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, my Lord.
34:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would have been a real problem.
34:36
Speaker 1: I'm just curious, because I know that you're into that
34:38
kind of stuff. Any sound therapy or healing through frequencies...
34:45
If you've heard any of that stuff.
34:47
Speaker 3: Well, I know people do sound baths where they'll do
34:50
these meditation experiments where they lie on their back and
34:53
they have someone that is making sounds. And there's something
34:56
to it. But just think about like what we're saying
34:59
with Kickstart My Heart. Like when you hear a great song,
35:02
it changes the way you feel. It changes your feeling.
35:05
It gives you more energy. It really does. So obviously
35:08
sound has a profound effect on the human body. And
35:11
it's not just like you, there's a lot of aspects
35:15
to a great song, right? It's the sound. It's also
35:17
the messaging that's in the lyrics. It's like, there's a
35:19
lot of, there's a lot going on. The voice of
35:21
the singer. You know, the visuals of everybody fucking rocking
35:24
out on stage.
35:25
Speaker 1: Sure.
35:26
Speaker 3: That also contributes to it. But the actual sound itself
35:29
is affecting your body in a very profound way. And
35:32
I wouldn't be surprised that there's ways that sound could
35:35
provide like therapeutic benefits to like people that are injured,
35:40
that are healing, sickness. I'm sure. I mean, if you
35:43
were lying in a hospital bed and you felt like
35:45
shit because you just had surgery. But you're listening to
35:47
some dope music. Wouldn't that be better than just listening
35:50
to people moan in the next room? Like, ugh! Get
35:55
me out of here.
35:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're inputting something nice.
35:58
Speaker 3: It should be a part of your recovery.
36:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
36:01
Speaker 3: Getting positive vibes in. Things that give you good feeling
36:05
and good energy.
36:07
Speaker 1: I do that all the time, man. I'll sit at
36:09
home when you're in the mood to not really listen
36:14
to music, but hear music where it's just playing in
36:18
the background. And I'll, I'll just put, there's these YouTube
36:22
videos of, um, these beautiful Japanese gardens in Kyoto or whatever.
36:28
And there's like high def shots of these just beautiful,
36:31
you know, bonsai trees, koi ponds, uh, big Milwaukee bonsai, like,
36:39
and it's just so chill. And with that music and
36:43
I just, I just put it on and it's kind
36:44
of on a lot. actually, and I find myself, that's
36:48
where I go to, like, just, like, I don't know.
36:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, it puts you in a different state.
36:53
Speaker 1: It puts me in a different space, you know? Yeah.
36:56
I dig it, man.
36:57
Speaker 3: You got really into bonsai.
36:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude.
37:00
Speaker 3: How did that start?
37:02
Speaker 1: All the times that we've gone to Japan, every time
37:08
I went there, I always went to the Japanese gardens
37:11
or the temples, and I'd walk around and just be like,
37:15
my jaw on the floor. Like I've never seen anything
37:18
this fucking peaceful and beautiful. And just like, I don't know,
37:24
it just came over this feeling that every time I went,
37:27
I came over me and I just, I started studying it.
37:30
This is like eight years ago. I was like, I
37:34
need this in my life somehow. I don't know what
37:36
this is, but let me go down, you know, down
37:40
the tube here and figure out what that is and
37:43
how I can get some of this into my life
37:45
and I found some fucking videos on doing bonsai work
37:49
on trees and I started and I haven't stopped and
37:53
it's been hands down the coolest fucking thing I've ever
37:58
gotten into man like I'll be out there for hours
38:02
every day like I'll start my day just being with
38:05
nature and being with the trees that I'm working on
38:07
and I got like a workshop, dude. It's like a,
38:11
there's like in progress, uh, works on the bench. There's
38:16
other ones I'm bending. Uh, there's ones that I'm, you know, uh, uh,
38:21
treating for pests, you know, um, there's, it's a whole
38:25
world and wiring everything, training it to where you want
38:28
to go pruning. It's just, it, it lets me escape
38:33
everything for a couple of hours. I just, I just,
38:37
I don't know, man. I just check out.
38:40
Speaker 3: How many years you've been doing this now?
38:41
Speaker 1: I've been probably eight years now. I've been doing it
38:44
eight years.
38:45
Speaker 3: And so is a bonsai tree, a regular tree that
38:50
would grow big if you didn't fuck with it?
38:52
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
38:54
Speaker 3: Okay. And then you can get it to this incredible, beautiful,
38:56
artistic shape. And it's small.
39:00
Speaker 1: Yes.
39:00
Speaker 3: It's what you're, you're.
39:01
Speaker 1: Basically, you keep kind of dwarfing it and the, and
39:05
everybody gets this confused. Um, and they just think uh
39:09
bonsai is like that's the tree bonsai means tree and
39:15
pot that's what that means actually it doesn't mean the
39:19
actual bonsai tree it means tree and pot and how.
39:22
Speaker 3: Long is the study of bonsai how long has the
39:25
practice been around.
39:26
Speaker 1: Dude i fuck i have no idea and you and
39:30
you find that other parts of the world now that
39:32
you get into it i mean there's in taiwan and
39:36
china there are some fucking insane bonsai and i think
39:40
it actually originated in china and the japanese took it
39:43
and altered it in ways and did it their, sort
39:47
of their version. But I think it originated in China,
39:49
if I'm not mistaken. Something like that, yeah.
39:53
Speaker 4: Sixth century China and they brought it back.
39:56
Speaker 1: Ah, see, look at that.
39:56
Speaker 3: Bam. Fuck, dude.
39:58
Speaker 1: Wow. Fucking Wiki Lee over here.
40:02
Speaker 3: So don't you have a tree that's 300 years old?
40:05
Speaker 1: Yes, I do. Over 300. Wow. I have two of
40:09
them that are over 300 years old.
40:11
Speaker 3: So someone was working on them over 300 years ago.
40:15
Speaker 1: Well, either that or it was collected maybe 100 years ago.
40:21
And then over that time, it's just constantly been cut
40:25
back and cut back.
40:27
Speaker 3: But it's a part of a tree that's 300 years ago.
40:30
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's still– it's the same tree.
40:33
Speaker 3: Right.
40:33
Speaker 1: But it's just– it's never been– It's always getting its
40:38
roots cut.
40:38
Speaker 3: Is that it? Is that your tree, the 300-year-old tree?
40:41
Speaker 1: No, no, no. That's just a small juniper that I have.
40:46
It's beautiful. The 300-year-old one is a redwood. It's a
40:51
fucking trunk on it. It's like this, and it's smashed
40:55
into a pot about this big.
40:57
Speaker 3: That seems rude.
40:58
Speaker 1: It's about that big.
41:00
Speaker 3: For a redwood, that seems rude. If you go to
41:03
Northern California and you go to the redwood forest, it's hot.
41:08
Those things are wild.
41:09
Speaker 1: Insane.
41:10
Speaker 3: That redwood forest is so incredible. There's the one that
41:13
you drive through.
41:14
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes.
41:16
Speaker 3: They cut a hole in it in like the 1920s
41:18
or whatever. It's really fucked. I can't believe they did that.
41:21
But the tree's still alive, and you drive through the tree.
41:25
It's so crazy.
41:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one I showed not too long ago in
41:31
an exhibition.
41:33
Speaker 3: Oh, so you go to bonsai shows.
41:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just started entering some of my trees that
41:39
I've been working on. I've done two so far. Just now,
41:43
like just this year, entered a couple of trees.
41:46
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
41:47
Speaker 1: The rest of these other seven years or eight years
41:50
of practicing is just learning, you know.
41:53
Speaker 3: What a cool hobby.
41:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fucking rad, dude. It really is.
41:56
Speaker 3: It's also like the complete opposite of being a rock star. Totally.
42:00
Speaker 1: Totally.
42:02
Speaker 3: Like, what a great balancing tool.
42:05
Speaker 1: You know? I know, man. It's interesting because a lot of,
42:09
you know, my peers, musical buddies, like, all of them
42:14
are super interested. They're like, dude, what's up with the bonsai? Like,
42:19
they're curious. They want to know. Yeah. Because maybe they've
42:22
seen me, you know, maybe change a little bit over
42:25
the years or they've seen how much joy it fucking
42:28
brings me. Yeah. And I think I want some of that.
42:31
I'm not sure.
42:32
Speaker 3: Well, there's something about, like, a zen garden that you
42:35
associate with, like, bonsai and peacefulness and clarity.
42:39
Speaker 1: Yes.
42:39
Speaker 3: You know, just peace of mind.
42:41
Speaker 1: Yes.
42:41
Speaker 3: Just clean mind. Like, your mind is pure. You're, like,
42:46
you're really in the moment rather than just being a
42:49
fucking mess ordering Uber Eats. You know what I mean?
42:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude.
42:54
Speaker 3: Like, there's something... that's very spiritually attractive to people about the,
42:58
those practices.
42:59
Speaker 1: Yes. And, and, and that's it too. It really has
43:02
a lot to do with sort of the, the, the
43:06
culture of all of it. Like when you start going
43:08
down that hole about design and all that stuff, you
43:12
start to, you start to realize that everything that at
43:16
least the Japanese, um, do is with such fucking purpose.
43:21
Like you'll notice, you know, and I didn't notice this
43:24
stuff until later. I was like, Oh, I get it now.
43:27
There's serious rules about how they build a Zen garden.
43:32
You'll never find a straight path ever. I don't care
43:37
how far you look. You'll never find a straight path
43:40
going through a Zen garden. They specifically and strategically curve
43:46
the path To slow you down. As soon as you
43:51
walk into a garden, the number one objective is to
43:57
get you to slow the fuck down. And there's no
44:01
straight path in everything. Nothing becomes revealed to you until
44:07
you come around that corner. So you're always, even if
44:11
you're going across a lake or a pond, there's never
44:15
a straight very rarely a straight bridge it's either arced
44:20
or the bridge zigzags across there's never a straight line
44:27
and what that's how that's what that's meant to do
44:30
is get you to stop at each corner and look
44:34
out and just take take it in and fucking be
44:36
present and that's to me it's like that's the deeper
44:42
meaning of all this for me. It's really got me
44:44
to slow the fuck down because everything is just kind
44:47
of all the time. So, you know, that it's just,
44:57
I get to, I don't know how to explain it.
44:58
Sometimes it's hard to explain that state, but that's what I,
45:02
that's what I get from it. And every day, it's
45:04
the best way to start, start your day, man. It
45:07
can only, Get fucking amazing after that because you kind
45:12
of set yourself up for having a fucking super rad day.
45:16
Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, I'm good.
45:20
Let's go. Right.
45:21
Speaker 3: Well, it makes sense. I mean, there's something about those
45:23
Zen gardens that's so attractive to people.
45:25
Speaker 1: Yeah.
45:26
Speaker 3: It's obvious there's something going on with that design, with
45:29
that flow of nature and the way it's artistically pieced together.
45:33
It's very exciting to people.
45:35
Speaker 1: And you see it, man. I don't know if you've noticed.
45:38
You had to notice. You see it in a lot
45:40
of the, like, newer architecture. A lot of fucking designs
45:44
and homes are being built with that sort of very
45:48
minimal Japanese flavor that is just meant to have your
45:54
home be a peaceful place and not like a fucking
45:57
museum or this or that. Like, it's really... Yeah.
46:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more peaceful. Yes. Like, in the actual design
46:06
itself versus, like, Some house with big, giant-ass fucking windows
46:10
overlooking the big city and fucking rocks everywhere. And like, oh,
46:15
slow down.
46:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And I've had that. I've done that before
46:19
with the house on the top of the hill with
46:21
the views. I mean, the view is just kind of
46:23
a view. It doesn't really do anything. It's very different
46:26
than having a beautiful, winding sanctuary to cruise through.
46:36
Speaker 3: I think nature is very therapeutic and if you can
46:38
put nature in an artistic form like a zen garden,
46:41
it's very therapeutic. That's a way better view. The view
46:45
of nature is always a way– look, whenever I go
46:48
to New York City and I'm staying in a hotel
46:50
and I'm in the middle and you'll see all the
46:52
buildings like, wow, this is crazy in the center of it.
46:54
This is fucking dope. But I don't want to live there.
46:58
Speaker 1: Right, right.
46:58
Speaker 3: I like to visit. I don't think it's good for
47:01
me at least. I don't think it's good for my
47:02
headspace to live there. I like to see trees. I
47:06
like to see nature. I like to see green. I
47:08
like to see things that are alive. That makes me
47:10
feel better.
47:11
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's funny, dude. I tell people, I think I
47:14
was a fucking tree like in a past life because
47:19
I'm like maybe you were a tree too. I'm like you.
47:21
I don't know if you're like this gnarly about it,
47:25
but every time I go into a city, the first
47:29
thing I look at is the trees. Like, whether it's
47:35
a big city or wherever, I'll find the tree because
47:37
that's the first thing I'm looking for. I don't look
47:40
at the buildings. I don't look, you know, up or down.
47:44
I'm always, like, looking for the tree. Yeah. It's just,
47:49
I don't know, man.
47:50
Speaker 3: Well, human beings are very connected to plants. We're very
47:52
connected to nature, period. It's one of the most brilliant
47:55
things that the designers of New York City did is
47:57
make Central Park. Have that giant park. It's an enormous
48:02
park in the center of the city. I was staying
48:04
at a hotel last year and it was like on
48:05
the edge of the park and like from the window
48:07
you look out, you see the whole park like straight.
48:10
This is fucking incredible that they did that because it's
48:13
so big and it's just trees. It's just trees and
48:17
paths and little lakes and everything and go wander around. Like, hey,
48:21
get the fuck out of these buildings for a while.
48:23
And it's like for a person living in New York City,
48:26
having that right there in the center of the city.
48:29
It is gigantic. I don't know what percentage of people
48:31
take advantage of it, but they should all. It would
48:34
make them all better.
48:35
Speaker 4: Yeah.
48:35
Speaker 3: It would all feel better.
48:36
Speaker 1: It's a little center retreat, man.
48:39
Speaker 3: Oh, an amazing one. Yeah. It's fucking huge. Like, how
48:41
many acres is Central Park? Let's find that out. Let's guess.
48:46
I'm going to guess 1,000 acres. If I had to guess,
48:52
maybe 2,000 acres. How big is it?
48:54
Speaker 1: 843. Yeah. 843 acres.
48:59
Speaker 3: So it's this amazing, huge park in the center of
49:03
the biggest city in the world. And you see all
49:05
these giant, crazy fucking buildings and then none of them
49:09
in the center. It's beautiful.
49:11
Speaker 1: Fucking props to those people or whoever that didn't sell
49:15
that space.
49:16
Speaker 3: Because how many fucking vampires are trying to take over
49:19
that and put a big... shitty-ass building in the middle
49:21
of it? We don't need 800 acres. 500 acres is plenty.
49:25
Speaker 1: Plenty, plenty, plenty.
49:27
Speaker 3: We'll just make those 500 acres even better, and no
49:29
one's going to complain.
49:30
Speaker 1: Put a whole bunch of money in there. Yeah, hats
49:33
off to whoever.
49:33
Speaker 3: Feed the homeless and whatever we're going to do.
49:35
Speaker 1: Whoever held that down.
49:36
Speaker 3: Good for them, man. They've lost a few parks. That's
49:39
one of our shows that we do with Ari Shaffir,
49:42
Shane Gillis, and Mark Norman is Protect Our Parks. Oh.
49:45
But we're not really protecting parks. We're just getting drunk
49:48
and talking shit. But it's called Protect Our Parks because
49:51
Ari on one of the early episodes was ranting and
49:54
raving about they're going to fucking take down this park
49:57
and turn it into apartment buildings. And they wound up
49:59
doing it. They killed the park.
50:01
Speaker 1: Oh, man.
50:03
Speaker 3: They just want to suck out all the trees and
50:05
just make money, these dirty bitches.
50:07
Speaker 1: Oh, man. Pretty soon everybody's going to have no place
50:10
to go, man. Yeah.
50:11
Speaker 3: Well, I think Central Park is safe, and that's the
50:14
greatest park in the world. Yeah. It really is. The
50:16
greatest park in any city in the world.
50:18
Speaker 1: It's so crazy you mentioned that because on the way
50:20
here I was flicking through Instagram and I saw– sorry.
50:26
that this happened, some dude got killed. One of the
50:31
horses took, you know, the horse and buggy thing, just
50:35
fucking launched. And you see the dude, the horse flips
50:39
the cart. Oh, no. And the dude gets flung out,
50:44
and then he dies. He died on the way to
50:45
the hospital.
50:46
Speaker 3: Why did the horse freak out? Do we know what happened?
50:50
Speaker 1: I don't. It didn't show it. It just showed, like,
50:53
somebody else has had footage of it, like, just... The
50:56
horse freaking out. Oh, shit. And then peeling out and
50:59
you'd see the thing flip over and you're like, oh, man, dude.
51:02
Speaker 3: You know, I love horses and I'm not a fan
51:05
of horses walking around the city. I think it's fucked.
51:07
Speaker 4: Yeah.
51:08
Speaker 3: I get that people think it's romantic to ride on
51:10
the back of a buggy with a horse. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
51:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
51:14
Speaker 3: It's not right.
51:15
Speaker 1: No.
51:15
Speaker 3: A horse is supposed to be in the fucking fields
51:17
and the mountains. A horse is supposed to be running
51:19
around and eating grass.
51:20
Speaker 1: Clicking around on the asphalt. I don't know, dude.
51:23
Speaker 3: Fuck all that.
51:24
Speaker 1: I don't like it.
51:25
Speaker 3: It's just a gross touristy thing. I mean, it's cool
51:28
to see them every now and then. I know cops
51:31
like to use them when they're breaking up riots and shit,
51:34
which is kind of crazy. But the reality is a
51:36
horse is not supposed to be there. Just like a
51:38
cow is not supposed to be there. If you had
51:39
cows walking down the street, you'd be like, why the
51:41
fuck is this cow here?
51:42
Speaker 4: This was likely an accident because the driver, yeah, the driver,
51:47
I guess they call him, wasn't in the.
51:50
Speaker 3: Right spot, like left his seat.
51:51
Speaker 1: What? What?
51:52
Speaker 3: Yeah. He left his seat. They're never supposed to.
51:54
Speaker 4: Leave their seats just to take maybe a photo of
51:56
the passengers in the carriage. And when the family was
51:58
climbing back in, the horse got spooked.
52:01
Speaker 1: Oh, no.
52:02
Speaker 4: It happened very fast.
52:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, the driver's not in it. The driver's not in it, dude.
52:06
It just peels out.
52:08
Speaker 3: Oh, fuck, man.
52:10
Speaker 1: And you see it just go and just make kind
52:13
of a hard right, and the buggy.
52:15
Speaker 3: Just flips over. I don't fuck with horses, man.
52:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude.
52:20
Speaker 3: I don't ride them. I've ridden a horse before. I
52:23
don't like it.
52:25
Speaker 1: Dude, same here. I've done it. I got my ass
52:28
thrown off on, and I was like, I'm good. I'm cool.
52:32
Speaker 3: It's just not good. I mean, look, if you're a
52:37
cowboy and you're riding horses and everything, that's kind of
52:39
a different thing.
52:39
Speaker 1: Sure.
52:40
Speaker 3: If you're doing it every day, that's a different thing.
52:42
But for me, it's like, I don't need to ride them.
52:44
I get it.
52:45
Speaker 1: For entertainment purposes. Yeah.
52:47
Speaker 3: It's like I went to Thailand and we rode elephants.
52:49
We had to ride elephants. And the elephants don't mind
52:51
because you establish a relationship with them first. You feed
52:55
them sugar cane and you pet them and you hang
52:57
out with them. They decide whether or not you're cool.
53:00
And if you give them like peaceful, gentle, friendly energy,
53:02
they're like, sure, come on up. They lift their leg
53:04
up and you step on top of them and you
53:06
climb on their back. And they gently take you through
53:08
the jungle. But I'm like, I didn't need to do that.
53:11
I could have just hung out with them. That would
53:12
have been plenty cool. I'm happy just feeding them. I
53:15
don't need to ride them.
53:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
53:17
Speaker 3: Like King Chimp. King Chimp on the big-ass fucking elephant.
53:21
Speaker 1: Look at me.
53:22
Speaker 3: You know, it's very weird.
53:24
Speaker 4: Yeah.
53:24
Speaker 3: It's weird. But, you know, people like it, and they're
53:28
beautiful animals.
53:29
Speaker 1: Oh, my God, they're beautiful.
53:31
Speaker 3: I don't need to ride animals. I get it. People
53:33
like to do it. I don't have a problem with
53:35
people doing it, but it's not me.
53:36
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
53:37
Speaker 3: I'd rather look at them.
53:38
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Yeah.
53:40
Speaker 3: But horses and people have like a crazy relationship. You know,
53:44
people that have horses like they're bonded to that animal
53:48
like no other animal.
53:49
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I know a few that are just like
53:53
horse whisperer kind of shit where you're like, whoa, this
53:57
is this is some next level love.
54:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do a lot of– there's a therapy with
54:02
that too. They do incline therapy for a lot of people.
54:05
Speaker 1: I did that one time.
54:06
Speaker 3: Did you?
54:07
Speaker 1: At a rehab. They took us to have like a
54:10
couple of days just with horses and it was cool, man.
54:14
I get it.
54:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
54:15
Speaker 1: I get it.
54:15
Speaker 3: Well, again, it's like just like the trees in the forest.
54:18
It's like something peaceful about horses.
54:20
Speaker 1: Yeah.
54:21
Speaker 3: You know?
54:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
54:22
Speaker 3: Most of the time, especially if they're broken, they're pretty chill.
54:25
They just want to hang out.
54:26
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
54:27
Speaker 3: You can come up and pet them, and they like it,
54:29
and it's like, wow.
54:30
Speaker 1: Like, whoa. Yeah.
54:33
Speaker 3: Puts you in check.
54:34
Speaker 1: Their big-ass teeth freak me out. When you're feeding them,
54:37
you're like, you don't want to get your fingers in there, dude.
54:39
Speaker 3: People have been bitten by them, too.
54:40
Speaker 1: Chompers.
54:41
Speaker 3: If someone's a dick, you get a horse annoyed, and
54:44
they bite you.
54:44
Speaker 1: Like, bro. Oh, dude. Yeah. That's got a fucking.
54:49
Speaker 3: Can you imagine? All that jaw power?
54:51
Speaker 1: Dude.
54:51
Speaker 3: The size of their fucking head?
54:52
Speaker 1: Yeah. Just....
54:55
Speaker 3: Clamping down on your hand. Fuck you. I want a carrot, bitch.
55:00
Give me the fucking carrot.
55:06
Speaker 1: That's so rad. You can smoke in here.
55:07
Speaker 3: Yes, I can. Yeah, I smoke cigars.
55:10
Speaker 1: Of course.
55:11
Speaker 3: I'll fire up with you.
55:12
Speaker 1: All right. How long.
55:16
Speaker 3: Have you been smoking?
55:19
Speaker 1: God. Forever.
55:21
Speaker 3: You ever try to quit?
55:23
Speaker 1: I have, and I quit for, ah, this was a
55:26
few years ago. I quit for like, fuck, I almost
55:33
made it a year. And then I was like, God, I.
55:37
Speaker 3: Feel like after a few months you're out of the woods.
55:39
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, it, I don't know. It just didn't, it
55:42
didn't last. It just didn't fucking last, man.
55:45
Speaker 3: What brought you back?
55:47
Speaker 1: Um, you know what? It's, Probably because I was drinking
55:54
at the time. Like, they kind of go hand in hand.
55:57
If you're having a cocktail or a beer or whatever,
55:59
you're having a smoke. Chances are. And I don't know, man.
56:05
You're sitting there and you're having a drink and you're like,
56:08
where's the cigarette? It's just, I don't know. It's like
56:11
rock and roll. They just go together for some reason.
56:14
So I failed.
56:16
Speaker 3: Well, why did you quit originally? What was the thought
56:20
behind it?
56:21
Speaker 4: Um....
56:26
Speaker 1: I think I was just trying to quit fucking everything.
56:29
You know, you're just like, ah, that's it.
56:31
Speaker 3: Fuck everything.
56:32
Speaker 1: I'm just going to take a break and fucking hit
56:34
the reset button on everything. I think I was going
56:37
through that phase because I had never tried that. Tried
56:42
everything else but nothing. And, yeah, I don't know, man.
56:49
Speaker 3: It's the last vice of a lot of people in recovery.
56:51
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then you, and you got, and then, you know,
56:54
you got guys like Keith Richards, who's just ripping cigarettes still.
56:57
And I'm like, he's fine. And like, I've, I've gotten,
57:03
I've gotten my fucking, my lungs and done the whole
57:07
like prenuvo, but like body scan to see all your shit.
57:12
And they're like, you're good. I'm like, Are you sure? Wait,
57:17
let me see the paperwork. Is this a different Lee's
57:23
or a different guy? Because that's fucking impossible. They're like,
57:28
you're good. I was like, all right. So there's really
57:33
no reason to quit.
57:34
Speaker 3: Well, it's actually a very small percentage of people. Well,
57:38
first of all. It's a very small percentage of people
57:41
that get lung cancer out of the general population. And
57:44
then when you add in cigarette smokers, it's a small
57:48
percentage of cigarette smokers that get lung cancer. But more
57:53
cigarette smokers get lung cancer than regular people. And so
57:57
that's why when you look at the percentage of people
58:00
that get lung cancer that smoke cigarettes, that's why it
58:03
looks so high. So let's find the numbers. Put it
58:07
into perplexity, please.
58:09
Speaker 4: Hmm.
58:09
Speaker 3: Let's– what percentage of cigarette smokers get lung cancer? And
58:15
I think it's less than 5 percent. I think it's
58:18
a very small number. And then you got to think
58:20
people that are smoking cigarettes, how many of them are
58:22
smoking two, three packs a day?
58:25
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. That's crazy. I don't know.
58:26
Speaker 3: And how many of them are smoking just a few
58:28
cigarettes a day? I bet a lot. I bet a
58:31
lot of people that are a little hesitant, they only
58:33
smoke like a half a pack or a little bit less.
58:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
58:36
Speaker 3: So what does it say, Jamie? I don't know. it's
58:40
still calculating. Oh, sorry.
58:44
Speaker 1: And isn't there something about like nicotine? Like when COVID happened,
58:48
they were like, if you're a smoker, you're good. And
58:50
I never got fucking COVID.
58:52
Speaker 3: Yes.
58:53
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, nicotine.
58:55
Speaker 3: Well, there's something about smoking cigarettes. It's supposed to be
58:57
like really good to prevent COVID. And it's really confusing.
59:01
Speaker 1: So crazy.
59:02
Speaker 3: Yeah. 10 to 20% of people who smoke at some
59:05
point in their lives will develop lung cancer. with many
59:08
studies landing about 15 percent. I thought it was a
59:10
lot less than that. Large study estimates that 15 out
59:13
of 100 current smokers will get lung cancer over there.
59:16
But that's estimated from a study. Another analysis found roughly
59:21
one in seven current smokers develop blood cancer. People who
59:26
never smoke have a one to two percent chance. Or
59:29
a lifetime risk of lung cancer. Wow. Yeah, people who
59:32
never smoke. Overall, only a minority of smokers get lung cancer.
59:37
But smoking still causes about 80% to 9% of the
59:40
lung cancer deaths. Oh, this is something we talked about yesterday, Jamie,
59:43
that we forgot to look up. There's some sort of
59:47
a study that's connecting people that live in Europe that
59:50
have high polyphenol diets. So they use a lot of
59:55
olive oil. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And olive oil seems
59:58
to protect– it's a very controversial statement because people think, oh,
1:00:02
my god, you're promoting cigarettes. I don't think they're promoting cigarettes.
1:00:05
They're just looking at data that these people that have
1:00:08
high olive oil content in their diets seem to not
1:00:12
have any problems with cigarettes or not have nearly as
1:00:14
many problems.
1:00:15
Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
1:00:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, which makes sense because– Olive oil is so good
1:00:19
for you. You got to think it's got to balance
1:00:21
out a lot of the free radicals and bullshit that
1:00:23
you're getting from life. It makes sense that it would
1:00:26
apply to smoking as well.
1:00:27
Speaker 1: Totally. Yeah.
1:00:30
Speaker 3: So smoke them if you got them.
1:00:32
Speaker 1: Fucking A, dude.
1:00:32
Speaker 3: Get some extra virgin olive oil. Let's fucking go.
1:00:35
Speaker 1: Dip them.
1:00:38
Speaker 3: Dip them like sherm. Have you ever tried sherm?
1:00:41
Speaker 1: A long time ago.
1:00:42
Speaker 3: Did you? Whoa.
1:00:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, fucking high school days, man.
1:00:46
Speaker 3: People in Europe who eat high polyphenol diets but smoke
1:00:51
still face the full, very high health risks of smoking.
1:00:54
Diet cannot cancel out cigarette damage. It can only modestly
1:00:58
improve overall risk markers. But there was an article that
1:01:02
I had read that they were connecting it. They were
1:01:05
talking about Europeans. Yeah, here it is. Especially Mediterranean-rich plant
1:01:10
diets consume substantial polyphenols from fruits Vegetables and whole grains, tea,
1:01:14
olive oil, and wine. Polyphenol intake is linked to better
1:01:19
cardiovascular risk profiles and lower long-term heart disease risk and
1:01:23
overall mortality in observational studies. Because that's the other thing
1:01:28
about cigarettes. It's not just cancer. It's also heart disease.
1:01:32
And so polyphenols have antioxidants and anti-inflammatory effects. But current
1:01:38
evidence does not show they can neutralize the cardiovascular cancer
1:01:41
or lung damage risk from smoking. What it means for smokers. Haters.
1:01:52
You have to have some vices. Most of the people
1:01:54
I know that are in Alcoholics Anonymous, they fucking drink
1:01:56
coffee every day and they smoke cigarettes.
1:01:59
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:01:59
Speaker 3: Big percentage of them.
1:02:00
Speaker 1: Ripping cigarettes.
1:02:01
Speaker 3: Yeah. Because it gets you a little high.
1:02:03
Speaker 1: Yeah. But it's like a very.
1:02:05
Speaker 3: manageable high yeah like the cigarette high is like oh.
1:02:08
Speaker 1: I'm all right yeah it's just like a little lightheaded.
1:02:10
Speaker 3: Yeah okay but also like good for cognitive function you
1:02:15
know oh like you know pink floyd when they wrote
1:02:18
the wall they were high as fuck on cigarettes those
1:02:21
guys smoke cigarettes all day long what yeah yeah those
1:02:24
dudes smoked a ton of cigarettes.
1:02:26
Speaker 1: Get out of here yeah is that coffee dude get
1:02:28
in there fuck yeah thank you bro my pleasure yeah.
1:02:31
Speaker 3: Yeah Tony Hinchcliffe told me that, and he's a giant
1:02:35
cigarette fan. Stephen King said that too. When he stopped
1:02:40
smoking cigarettes, it affected his writing.
1:02:43
Speaker 1: Oh, whoa.
1:02:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said his synapses just didn't fire as fast anymore.
1:02:47
Speaker 1: Whoa.
1:02:47
Speaker 3: It's like that was one of the things that I
1:02:48
really noticed when I quit smoking.
1:02:51
Speaker 1: That's wild. Yeah. Huh.
1:02:54
Speaker 3: Doesn't that make sense though?
1:02:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. I remember quitting for a short time there.
1:03:00
I remember everything tasting better. I'm sure. Oh, shit. Yeah,
1:03:04
like everything you just tasted better.
1:03:06
Speaker 3: Yeah. Of course.
1:03:09
Speaker 1: Pounding a cigarette immediately following every single meal or drink.
1:03:13
Speaker 3: It's got to numb the inside of your mouth in
1:03:15
some way or dull your senses.
1:03:17
Speaker 1: Something.
1:03:18
Speaker 3: You're caking it with smoke.
1:03:20
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:03:20
Speaker 3: Of course. Clog up the old taste receptors.
1:03:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. Yeah.
1:03:25
Speaker 3: But a lot of creative people swear by cigarettes, man.
1:03:30
I think there's some benefit to it.
1:03:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully.
1:03:35
Speaker 3: No, I think there is. I think there's some cognitive benefit.
1:03:38
There's just way too many, like, super creative people. And
1:03:41
a lot of intelligent people, a lot of professors use tobacco.
1:03:45
Speaker 4: David Gilmour says he never smoked cigarettes.
1:03:49
Speaker 3: David Gilmour. But didn't Roger Waters?
1:03:52
Speaker 4: This, I think, goes on to say that some of
1:03:53
the band did smoke cigarettes, but it's more about their
1:03:55
marijuana and hashish smoking.
1:03:57
Speaker 3: Than the tobaccos. So Tony Hinchcliffe spread misinformation, and here
1:04:02
I am repeating it.
1:04:03
Speaker 4: He could have been told, though.
1:04:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure he was told. Well, Roger, we all
1:04:08
did hang out with Roger that one night. That was
1:04:11
pretty dope. We got to see Roger Waters live. He
1:04:14
came on the podcast, we hung out, and then we
1:04:16
went to see his concert. It was insane.
1:04:18
Speaker 1: Oh.
1:04:18
Speaker 3: It was insane.
1:04:19
Speaker 1: I bet it was fucking rad.
1:04:20
Speaker 3: Another legend was still like full power on stage. It's incredible.
1:04:24
Speaker 1: That's the best.
1:04:25
Speaker 3: The show was amazing. And it's like he has these
1:04:28
enormous screens behind him. So the show is like, it's
1:04:31
the music, but it's also these incredible visuals that you're
1:04:34
watching while the music is playing.
1:04:36
Speaker 1: Yep.
1:04:37
Speaker 3: You know, and his is so politically loaded, so it's,
1:04:40
you know, you see all this crazy shit, like, while
1:04:43
he's singing these songs, like, when they're playing the wall,
1:04:45
it's like, fuck.
1:04:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember seeing one of those tours, I think,
1:04:49
maybe it was, I don't know, but the wall is
1:04:51
slowly building over the whole set. Yeah. It's fucking crazy.
1:04:55
Speaker 3: And when we went to see him, Ari was high
1:04:56
as fuck on acid, and he's crying in the middle
1:04:58
of the show. He's crying like a man, and he's weeping.
1:05:02
It was fucking phenomenal. Oh, my God.
1:05:05
Speaker 1: Dude. I don't know if I could handle that.
1:05:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know either. Jesus. Like, get the fuck
1:05:12
out of here with the acid. We're just going to
1:05:14
go see the concert. I'm not doing that.
1:05:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. Fuck. Around all those people, I'd probably, I
1:05:20
don't know if that'd be.
1:05:21
Speaker 3: A good one. Probably not a good one, but Ari's
1:05:23
an experienced passenger.
1:05:24
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
1:05:28
Speaker 3: He can ride some waves.
1:05:29
Speaker 1: Good boy.
1:05:30
Speaker 3: He can ride some waves without throwing up. Do you
1:05:34
ever look back and just say, God, it's a wonder
1:05:37
I'm still alive.
1:05:39
Speaker 1: Dude I told you earlier I pinch myself on a
1:05:42
daily basis I really do that like I shouldn't technically
1:05:47
be here right maybe you shouldn't I don't know who
1:05:52
knows that we all got our our thing but oh
1:05:56
man I'm really lucky to be here and I think
1:05:59
it's because I want to be here like um you
1:06:02
know what I mean like I like I want to
1:06:04
be here like I want to fucking see I'm kind
1:06:07
of pissed because I feel like we're not even close
1:06:12
to where we should be. I mean, the year 2000,
1:06:16
where's my fucking spaceship? Right. You know, like, where is that?
1:06:22
It was supposed to be full Jetsons. Bro, they're extremely
1:06:27
late or it's never going to happen.
1:06:30
Speaker 3: I think there's a real problem with people flying around.
1:06:32
Speaker 1: They lied.
1:06:33
Speaker 3: The problem with people flying around is you got to
1:06:36
catch them.
1:06:38
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
1:06:39
Speaker 3: Whereas if they're on the street, just close off the
1:06:41
street and then you catch them.
1:06:43
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.
1:06:44
Speaker 3: If people are flying around- Way too much freedom. Like
1:06:47
if someone robs a bank and they go, and they
1:06:50
just go off, like, no, no, no, no. You can't
1:06:53
have that for everybody. You got to have people corral
1:06:56
in nice- Like very clean lines.
1:07:00
Speaker 1: Forms, lines.
1:07:00
Speaker 3: We can block these lines off. Very obvious paths.
1:07:04
Speaker 1: Use lights to start and stop.
1:07:05
Speaker 3: Fly over them in helicopters. Put a spotlight down on them.
1:07:08
So you follow them around. That's what people like. They
1:07:12
don't like this idea of the jets and like that's not.
1:07:16
Speaker 1: Fuck. I want that, dude. I want my own little.
1:07:19
Speaker 3: Well, they do have flying cars now.
1:07:21
Speaker 1: I saw some of those. There's a couple. There's like
1:07:24
one company called Jet One. It's like this little, looks
1:07:27
like a little, it's like a one-man drone for helicopters.
1:07:30
I'm like, me and my manager were always like, should
1:07:33
we go fucking get a couple of these?
1:07:35
Speaker 3: You don't want to die that way.
1:07:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:07:37
Speaker 3: Let those things get worked out for a few years.
1:07:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, it probably needs a little bit more time for
1:07:41
it to be soup.
1:07:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, because, I mean, think about, like, how glitchy
1:07:45
early cell phones were.
1:07:46
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Dude, right.
1:07:49
Speaker 3: Let that shit get ironed out.
1:07:51
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:07:52
Speaker 3: Let the eggheads... Work on that for a little bit.
1:07:55
Polish it up nice.
1:07:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be cool.
1:07:56
Speaker 3: Fix all the bugs.
1:07:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:07:58
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know what happens when those things crash. Like,
1:08:02
do you get a warning when they're about to die? Like,
1:08:04
do they run out of batteries? Does it run out
1:08:07
of gas? Is it allowed to run out of gas?
1:08:09
Can you just be an asshole and just fly until
1:08:11
you run out of gas and die?
1:08:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:08:13
Speaker 3: Or, you know.
1:08:14
Speaker 1: Solar charging takeover.
1:08:15
Speaker 3: I think I could make it home. Like, how many
1:08:17
guys have done that in their cars? I think I
1:08:18
could make it home. When I was in high school,
1:08:22
my friend- Picked me up in his buddy's 1970 Chevelles.
1:08:25
Fucking amazing Chevelles.
1:08:26
Speaker 4: Oh, nice.
1:08:27
Speaker 3: So dope. And I remember he ran out of gas,
1:08:29
and we coasted perfectly right to the gas station.
1:08:33
Speaker 1: No way.
1:08:33
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was like we shut the car.
1:08:35
Speaker 1: We got out.
1:08:36
Speaker 3: I was like, that was amazing. Because, you know, we're 16.
1:08:39
It ran out of gas at the pump. I was like,
1:08:42
this is perfect.
1:08:43
Speaker 1: No pushing. No nothing.
1:08:46
Speaker 3: But if you're in one of them little drones and
1:08:48
that shit goes on E. Yeah. Yeah.
1:08:51
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's fucking... Parts. Yeah. Yeah, not good.
1:09:00
Speaker 3: Did you see that documentary that they did about that
1:09:02
kid that stole a plane? He stole a plane. He
1:09:05
was like working at an airport and he stole a plane.
1:09:08
And hijacked it and then flew it and crashed it
1:09:11
and died.
1:09:12
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:09:12
Speaker 3: But he's like having conversations with them.
1:09:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's talking to them going like, I don't know
1:09:16
what I'm doing, man. But, you know, this one's for the,
1:09:19
I don't know.
1:09:20
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:09:21
Speaker 1: And they were just like, I could run it, dude.
1:09:24
Speaker 3: Well, they were trying to get him to land it.
1:09:26
They were trying to get him to land it. But
1:09:27
the reality was, like, no way he was going to
1:09:29
figure out how to land that thing. He's a dead man.
1:09:32
The moment he got off the ground, he's a dead man.
1:09:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:09:35
Speaker 3: And he just stole the plane. And there's a whole
1:09:37
documentary about it. It's apparently very interesting.
1:09:41
Speaker 1: Oh, wow. I don't, I have not seen the documentary,
1:09:43
but I've seen clips of them trying to talk him,
1:09:46
talk him down. And he just seemed like he wasn't,
1:09:50
that wasn't an option. He just seemed like this.
1:09:53
Speaker 3: He was ready to wrap it up.
1:09:54
Speaker 1: He was taking this, this was this, that, that, that
1:09:57
one flight. Yeah.
1:09:58
Speaker 3: Ready to wrap it up.
1:09:59
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:10:00
Speaker 3: Hope your insurance covers this. Yeah. I think flying cars
1:10:06
will probably be a thing one day. For 70 minutes,
1:10:09
the world watched in disbelief as a stolen Horizon airplane
1:10:12
soared over Puget Sound before crashing on a remote island.
1:10:16
Now a new Hulu documentary reveals the man behind the
1:10:19
controls and the quiet struggle that led him there.
1:10:22
Speaker 1: Oh, I got to watch this. What's it called? Sky King.
1:10:25
It's what?
1:10:26
Speaker 3: Sky King, it's called.
1:10:27
Speaker 1: Sky King.
1:10:28
Speaker 3: Poor dude.
1:10:29
Speaker 1: Oh, damn. Well, at least they gave him a rad title.
1:10:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the unfortunate thing is that might encourage other
1:10:37
people to do it as well. People are very stupid.
1:10:41
Speaker 1: Dude, people are stupid. I just released a song called
1:10:44
Stupid World a couple weeks ago and that's exactly what
1:10:49
that's about. It's literally we have gotten to a place
1:10:53
where everything to me like we are at just epic
1:10:58
stupid proportions where you're just like not a day goes
1:11:01
by where I'm like that's fucking ridiculous. That's stupid. Like
1:11:05
how stupid like How stupid can we get? Anyway, I
1:11:10
wrote this track. It's called Stupid World.
1:11:12
Speaker 3: You live in L.A., which is one of the stupidest
1:11:14
fucking places on Earth.
1:11:16
Speaker 1: Dude, I know. It's fucking insane. And I'm doing the
1:11:21
same thing, too. Why do I live here? I mean,
1:11:23
I love it there. It's amazing. There's always in the
1:11:27
back of my head is why?
1:11:29
Speaker 3: Look, it's one of the most beautiful places on Earth.
1:11:31
The weather's perfect.
1:11:32
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:11:33
Speaker 3: Most of the people are very friendly. Most of the
1:11:35
people are cool. It's like it's only a percentage of
1:11:38
the people that suck. It's a large percentage, but it's
1:11:42
only a percentage. The majority of the people are cool.
1:11:46
The problem is it's like slowly becoming a new Detroit.
1:11:50
It's like slowly the film business is like dried up.
1:11:55
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:11:55
Speaker 3: Like completely dried up. Television, completely dried up. Late night TV,
1:12:00
it's dried up, man. And that was fueling a giant.
1:12:04
part of like what made LA special I know and
1:12:08
it's just dried up man nobody has to be there
1:12:10
anymore and they make it intolerable they make you seem
1:12:14
like you have to be there so they just punish
1:12:17
you with taxes and they punish you with regulations they
1:12:21
punish you they make it everything very difficult to conduct
1:12:25
business very difficult to be safe very difficult to just
1:12:29
feel fucking normal yeah and they get surprised when people
1:12:32
leave like what do you want yeah What do you
1:12:34
think you're doing to that place? You guys can see
1:12:37
the statistics. Stop fucking gaslighting the world.
1:12:40
Speaker 1: Right.
1:12:41
Speaker 3: You guys fucked this place sideways and you want to
1:12:43
keep doing it.
1:12:44
Speaker 1: And the weirdest thing is, you know, like, you know,
1:12:47
you hear and you see, oh, man, fuck, a bunch
1:12:50
of people are leaving L.A. And part of me is like, fuck, yes.
1:12:54
Get the fuck out of here. There's too many people here.
1:12:56
So go. But then I realize. Nothing's really changed, and
1:13:03
I don't really notice that people have left. Traffic's still
1:13:07
the same. A bunch of shit's exactly the same, and
1:13:11
you tell me this many people left. I don't see it.
1:13:14
And I wonder if that's not maybe a, I don't know,
1:13:19
a hyped statistic.
1:13:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a scientific analysis. No, like the numbers
1:13:24
are real. People have left L.A., but it doesn't matter.
1:13:27
You could lose 5 million people, and L.A. is still
1:13:29
too big. The traffic's bananas.
1:13:32
Speaker 1: Dude, it's fucking retarded. It's bananas.
1:13:36
Speaker 3: If you want to go to Orange County at 4
1:13:38
o'clock or shoot yourself, that's a real decision. Drive to
1:13:43
Orange County at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, you're like,
1:13:45
what the fuck am I doing with my life? This
1:13:47
is crazy.
1:13:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't even think about hitting the 405. No.
1:13:52
At all. No.
1:13:53
Speaker 3: No, you're going to have to go some sideways.
1:13:56
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:13:56
Speaker 3: You're going to have to use ways to get there.
1:13:59
Speaker 1: Yeah and even then you're.
1:14:02
Speaker 3: Fucked even then it's an hour and a half if
1:14:04
you live in like Irvine and you commute to LA
1:14:06
good god bless you dude god bless.
1:14:08
Speaker 1: You yeah how do you do it I don't know.
1:14:11
Speaker 3: People do it every day they just want to live
1:14:13
in a place like Irvine real safe real nice yeah
1:14:16
but I gotta work in LA fuck it I'll just
1:14:18
drive in every day just.
1:14:19
Speaker 1: Fucking just all fucking mad and just.
1:14:21
Speaker 3: I would get up at 5 in the morning and
1:14:23
just go to the gym that's what I would do
1:14:25
I'd get up 5 in the morning drive to LA
1:14:27
I'd get a membership in LA at the gym That
1:14:29
way I'm driving with no traffic at least one way.
1:14:32
At least getting there, I have no traffic.
1:14:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:14:34
Speaker 3: And then you deal with the home commute. Doing it
1:14:37
both to and from, fuck you. Fuck you. I'm not
1:14:41
doing that.
1:14:42
Speaker 1: It's too gnarly.
1:14:43
Speaker 3: I'd rather get up at 5 in the morning. I
1:14:47
can't imagine even doing it once a day. But there's
1:14:49
a lot of people that do three hours a day
1:14:52
minimum in their car. And they really live 20 minutes away.
1:14:57
If they didn't have traffic, they would be there in
1:14:59
25 minutes.
1:15:00
Speaker 1: Man, that's pretty crazy when you realize all we have
1:15:05
here on this planet is time and you realize that
1:15:09
kind of time you're wasting and you're never going to
1:15:14
get back. And you're like, if I do this consecutively
1:15:18
every single day, I wonder what– add that time up
1:15:22
over whatever– however many years and I'll bet you people
1:15:28
would freak the fuck out. Yeah.
1:15:30
Speaker 3: You lost years.
1:15:31
Speaker 1: I just lost years of my life in the fucking car. Yeah.
1:15:35
Speaker 3: But the good thing is one thing that you can
1:15:38
do in the car is listen to books on tape.
1:15:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:15:41
Speaker 3: And books on tape are amazing. And, you know, podcasts
1:15:44
too for some people.
1:15:46
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:15:46
Speaker 3: But for me, it's a lot of it is books
1:15:48
on tape because like you'll get lost in a book
1:15:51
and it doesn't even really bother you that much. And the,
1:15:54
one of the crazy, if you have a Tesla and,
1:15:56
My Tesla does auto driving. So if I want to,
1:16:00
if I'm leaving here and there's some crazy traffic for
1:16:03
some reason, I just go, I just turn it on
1:16:07
and it goes. I don't have to hit the blinkers.
1:16:10
I don't have to change lanes. I don't have to
1:16:12
stop at red lights. It does everything.
1:16:15
Speaker 1: De-stressed.
1:16:16
Speaker 3: And all I have to do is just keep my
1:16:17
fingers on the wheel. Just like this.
1:16:20
Speaker 1: Oh, to make it look like you're awake.
1:16:21
Speaker 3: No, you're supposed to like stay in contact with the
1:16:23
wheel and just keep your eyes on the road. But
1:16:25
you don't have to think at all. You know, you
1:16:27
can't do that. You're not supposed to do that. It
1:16:29
probably would still work. I don't even know. What happens
1:16:31
if you just go to sleep?
1:16:32
Speaker 1: I think it shuts down after a second.
1:16:33
Speaker 3: Probably recognizes that you're doing that and shuts down. But
1:16:37
the reality is, like, that as a stress decoupler, there's
1:16:41
nothing like it.
1:16:42
Speaker 1: Oh, man, the best.
1:16:43
Speaker 3: You just put your fingers on the wheel and just chill.
1:16:46
And now all you're doing is sitting for an hour
1:16:48
and a half instead of, like, constantly hitting the brakes,
1:16:50
constantly hitting the gas, constantly hitting the brakes. Now you're
1:16:52
just chilling and you can get to just, like, listen
1:16:55
to your book on Banzai.
1:16:56
Speaker 1: No, that is nice, man. I don't know about you,
1:16:59
but if I start reading a book, just your eyes
1:17:04
focusing and reading, they get tired. You get more in
1:17:11
listening to an auditory version of it rather than, for
1:17:15
me at least, sort of eye-stressing on reading and doing
1:17:20
all that. I get tired and then fucking lose interest.
1:17:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's definitely something to that. Reading always makes me
1:17:28
want to go to sleep.
1:17:30
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:17:30
Speaker 3: Especially reading at night helps me fall asleep.
1:17:32
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:17:33
Speaker 3: But there's also something about reading in your head because
1:17:37
you create the voices and you create everything. Like you
1:17:41
use your imagination when you're just reading that doesn't exist
1:17:45
with books on tape.
1:17:46
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:17:46
Speaker 3: But with audio books, I don't have the time. So
1:17:50
for me, it's a time thing. Like if I have
1:17:52
a guest coming on and the guest is like an
1:17:54
astrophysicist that has some very bizarre theory about something, like
1:17:57
I need to absorb the information and I have a
1:18:00
limited amount of time. So I listen to audio books
1:18:02
in the gym. I listen to audio books in the
1:18:04
sauna and I listen to it in the car on
1:18:07
the way to work. And so that all together is
1:18:10
a couple hours in a day. So I can do
1:18:12
that and get a lot of information in where I
1:18:15
wouldn't– I don't have the couple hours to sit down
1:18:18
and just read. I just don't. I wish I did.
1:18:21
I don't.
1:18:22
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:18:22
Speaker 3: So I can still get all that data and that information,
1:18:25
but I have to be very diligent about actually listening.
1:18:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:18:29
Speaker 3: That's the thing. Because especially at the gym, you can
1:18:32
get a little just distracted, and you're like, what the
1:18:36
fuck did he just say? And you have to back
1:18:37
it up.
1:18:38
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
1:18:38
Speaker 3: When that happens, generally, I just shut it off. I'm like,
1:18:41
this workout's too intense. I can't really pay attention.
1:18:43
Speaker 1: Yeah. What do they say? Do what you're doing when
1:18:47
you're doing it.
1:18:47
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
1:18:49
Speaker 1: People... think they're multitasking.
1:18:52
Speaker 3: Right.
1:18:52
Speaker 1: That doesn't fucking exist. You really, yeah, whatever.
1:18:56
Speaker 3: You're sort of multitasking, but you're robbing from Peter to
1:18:59
pay Paul.
1:19:00
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Yeah.
1:19:02
Speaker 3: You're taking away some of your attention on what you're
1:19:04
doing to pay attention to this other thing, and it's
1:19:06
definitely making you less good at either one of those things.
1:19:09
And if one of them is very simple and it's
1:19:11
like it doesn't matter, okay, you could be distracted. Right, right.
1:19:14
But if it's two important things, you're robbing each important thing.
1:19:17
You're robbing attention from these things.
1:19:19
Speaker 1: God.
1:19:20
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:19:20
Speaker 1: There it is. Yeah. There it is.
1:19:22
Speaker 3: Well, I've always found that like my best workouts are
1:19:25
in silence. It's like you don't– it's so hard to
1:19:28
work out. Like you really need to only be thinking
1:19:30
about what you're doing.
1:19:31
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:19:31
Speaker 3: And if you add in a bunch of stuff– except music.
1:19:35
Music is always fuel for workouts. That's different.
1:19:37
Speaker 4: Sure.
1:19:37
Speaker 3: But books– It's like music you can listen and then
1:19:40
stop listening. You could be in the middle of the set.
1:19:42
It doesn't distract you with lyrics. It just gives you
1:19:46
some energy in the air. Music is the ultimate companion
1:19:49
for working out.
1:19:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. No doubt.
1:19:52
Speaker 3: So much so that David Goggins doesn't use it because
1:19:54
he says it's cheating. What?
1:19:57
Speaker 1: He goes, it's cheating.
1:19:58
Speaker 3: You know, because he's just a complete total psycho.
1:20:01
Speaker 1: Is that that like.
1:20:04
Speaker 3: Ultramarathon guy? Yeah.
1:20:06
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. I thought it was the Live Forever guy, the.
1:20:08
Speaker 3: Oh, no, no, no. That's Brian Johnson. That's the guy
1:20:10
who like has his son's blood injected into him.
1:20:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, that dude. I'm sorry. I'm confusing this.
1:20:15
Speaker 3: David Goggins is a totally different guy. He's the Navy
1:20:18
SEAL who run– I think– how many ultra marathons did
1:20:22
he run in a month? Something insane. He runs 100-mile
1:20:26
races and he's like an insane fitness freak.
1:20:30
Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
1:20:31
Speaker 3: And when he works out, he has– these workouts where
1:20:33
like famously he'll take like professional fighters and they work
1:20:36
out with them and they can't keep up and they're
1:20:37
just throwing up and– I just can't believe how much
1:20:40
this guy works. And he's doing it easy where he's
1:20:42
just talking to them the entire time and they can't
1:20:44
keep up. He finished eight 100-mile marathons in eight consecutive weekends.
1:20:50
So he ran 800 miles in eight weekends. He's a nut. Fuck.
1:20:59
He'll be at home and just decide, I'm going to
1:21:03
do a 60-mile ruck right now. And just throws on
1:21:07
a backpack. Gets outside and starts rucking. And he'll just
1:21:11
do 60 miles. And so he'll go out there for
1:21:13
hours and hours. Just decides, this is what I'm going
1:21:15
to do, and I'm not stopping until I'm done. And
1:21:17
he does it all the time.
1:21:18
Speaker 1: Whoa.
1:21:18
Speaker 3: He's in insane shape. And he's 50. Wow. He's in insane.
1:21:22
Good for him, man. He also has no knees. His
1:21:24
knees are completely destroyed.
1:21:25
Speaker 1: All from pounding on.
1:21:26
Speaker 3: They're bone on bone. He's had a ton of operations.
1:21:29
Doesn't care. Keeps going. On bone on bone. Like, it's
1:21:33
just a maniac. It's a complete and total maniac, but
1:21:36
he doesn't use music because he says it's cheating.
1:21:39
Speaker 1: Wow. That's amazing. It's cheating.
1:21:43
Speaker 3: But that just shows you I like to cheat. I
1:21:45
like to use that music. I need to cheat to
1:21:49
get that energy extra. I mean, I can do it
1:21:51
myself maybe, but why would I when I go.
1:21:57
Give me that fucking music.
1:22:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
1:22:01
Speaker 3: If it's cheating, I'm going to cheat at that.
1:22:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not cheating.
1:22:05
Speaker 3: I don't think of it as cheating.
1:22:05
Speaker 1: That's called inspiration.
1:22:07
Speaker 3: Yes, it's an awesome supplement. That's what I call it.
1:22:10
Speaker 1: Supplement, there you go.
1:22:10
Speaker 3: But for him, it's all about mental strength, and so
1:22:13
he considers it cheating. Use that mental strength. Your mental
1:22:17
strength should be right from your brain. He goes, you
1:22:20
can't always count on that music. That music's not always
1:22:22
going to be there. I'm like, okay. I guess so.
1:22:25
Speaker 1: He kind of has a.
1:22:27
Speaker 3: I get it.
1:22:28
Speaker 1: Do what you're doing.
1:22:29
Speaker 3: For what he does, he kind of has a point.
1:22:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that. He's focusing. He's focusing. Yeah.
1:22:36
No distractions.
1:22:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, he says he's gaining knowledge. He says, I'm gaining knowledge.
1:22:41
I'm acquiring knowledge.
1:22:43
Speaker 1: I believe him.
1:22:44
Speaker 3: I believe him because he's thinking he's going into the
1:22:46
dark realms of his mind.
1:22:47
Speaker 1: Whoa, dude.
1:22:49
Speaker 3: Intense suffering, running 100-mile races eight weekends in a row.
1:22:53
Speaker 1: He's doing some serious other work while he's running.
1:22:57
Speaker 3: That's the real deep introspective work. You want to find
1:23:00
out who you really are? Run eight 100-mile races in
1:23:04
eight weeks.
1:23:05
Speaker 1: Imagine those conversations you're having with yourself. What the fuck
1:23:08
am I doing? No, dude, you got this. You got this. No, dude,
1:23:11
you're an idiot. No, bro. Fuck yes.
1:23:15
Speaker 3: I think he probably used to have those conversations. Now
1:23:18
it's just battling demons. It's all just demons just crushing
1:23:22
down negative thoughts, crushing down weakness, you know?
1:23:26
Speaker 1: I know. Fuck.
1:23:28
Speaker 3: There's a lot of different kinds of people in this world, Tommy.
1:23:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are, dude. It's pretty crazy out there.
1:23:33
Speaker 3: And I bet you've met every variety of them.
1:23:35
Speaker 1: Just about. Oh, my God. That's funny. Wow. I know.
1:23:43
Speaker 3: There's some crazy people in this world.
1:23:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is.
1:23:45
Speaker 3: But we need all of them. We need our Tommy Lees.
1:23:48
We need our David Lee Ross. We need our David Goggins.
1:23:53
We need all those people. That's what makes the world
1:23:55
beautiful is that there are so many different people. You
1:23:58
can meet someone and you're like, fuck, I never met
1:23:59
a guy like him. That's nuts.
1:24:01
Speaker 1: Yeah. It is wonderful. Isn't it wonderful?
1:24:04
Speaker 3: I mean, you must have met every fucking human being
1:24:06
that's ever lived, practically.
1:24:08
Speaker 1: Dude, I feel like it. Just about.
1:24:11
Speaker 3: I mean, you've been famous since what year? Like, what
1:24:17
year did Motley Crue really break out?
1:24:19
Speaker 1: 80.
1:24:20
Speaker 3: 80. That's nuts.
1:24:22
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:24:23
Speaker 3: Boy, that world was a different place.
1:24:26
Speaker 1: Bro!
1:24:28
Speaker 3: The world was a different place. No internet.
1:24:31
Speaker 1: No, no cell phones.
1:24:32
Speaker 3: Who was president in 1980? Was that even Reagan yet?
1:24:40
Speaker 1: Almost.
1:24:41
Speaker 3: When did Reagan become president?
1:24:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck.
1:24:45
Speaker 3: Reagan was president when I was in high school.
1:24:48
Speaker 1: Who the fuck was president?
1:24:49
Speaker 3: That was in the 80s. What year, Jamie? Started in 81. 81. So, 1980,
1:24:55
Reagan wasn't even president yet.
1:24:57
Speaker 1: Fuck, who was president?
1:24:59
Speaker 3: Had to be Jimmy Carter, right? Yeah.
1:25:01
Speaker 1: That sounds right.
1:25:02
Speaker 3: Wasn't it Jimmy Carter before Reagan?
1:25:04
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
1:25:04
Speaker 3: So it was Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan.
1:25:08
Speaker 1: Whoa, dude.
1:25:08
Speaker 3: Wow. Isn't that nuts?
1:25:11
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
1:25:11
Speaker 3: 1980. What was that scene like?
1:25:14
Speaker 1: Bro, that was still to this day. Motley did this
1:25:25
movie called The Dirt, and it's based on our autobiography. From,
1:25:32
you know, certain years from this year to this year.
1:25:35
And it kind of like it shows how it fucking was.
1:25:41
And one of the coolest things ever is when, you know,
1:25:45
I'll see, you know, emails from fans or questions from fans.
1:25:50
And they're like, dude, was it? And these are from like,
1:25:55
you know, 18 year old kids are like, was it
1:25:58
really like that? When you guys were rocking shit like that?
1:26:03
I was like, 100%. They're like, fuck. And they're bummed.
1:26:11
They're like, we will never, ever get to experience that. Fuck.
1:26:18
It was just full on until the wheels fall off.
1:26:23
You could get away with fucking murder. Literally. There was
1:26:27
no phones and no... This was... at a time where
1:26:33
anything goes. Pretty much.
1:26:39
Speaker 3: How old were you in 1980?
1:26:42
Speaker 1: In 1980, I was 18.
1:26:45
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.
1:26:48
Speaker 1: 18, 17.
1:26:49
Speaker 3: So you're blowing up at 18 years old. How the
1:26:53
fuck did you manage?
1:26:54
Speaker 1: I know, dude.
1:26:56
Speaker 3: Look at that picture. That's crazy. That looks like a
1:26:59
picture from like 1940. Right? It's another world.
1:27:04
Speaker 1: I know.
1:27:05
Speaker 3: Even the font from Motley Crue looks ancient.
1:27:09
Speaker 1: Totally. Wow. God, dude.
1:27:12
Speaker 3: Does that even seem real when you look at that picture?
1:27:17
Speaker 1: Look at our fucking little cheesy cloth backdrop. The wrinkles
1:27:21
in the fabric. That's the whiskey.
1:27:23
Speaker 3: Too fast for love. Fucking great song.
1:27:26
Speaker 1: And that fucking drum riser. That... Right there, with the
1:27:31
lights in it and stuff? Yeah. My dad fucking, and
1:27:36
my dad, myself, and my drum tech, we built that riser, dude. Like,
1:27:41
it had fucking switches. My dad was a mechanic. And
1:27:46
so my dad built, he, you know, he was like,
1:27:49
you need a drum riser? All right, let's go. I mean, dude,
1:27:53
he would, my dad would, built us pyro. Fucking he
1:28:00
drilled out these or cut these big blocks of wood,
1:28:06
ran electrical prongs up through the wood. And then you
1:28:10
take a little small wire and you connect the tube,
1:28:14
put a pipe over it, fill it with gunpowder. And
1:28:17
we'd be out in my backyard, dude. And the neighbors
1:28:19
would be all of a sudden just like, fire! Fire!
1:28:24
There's these fucking mushroom clouds in my backyard. And the
1:28:28
neighbors are like, what the fuck is going on? And
1:28:31
my dad, he loved it. He's making bombs, lighting rigs,
1:28:35
drum risers. And then he would drive me, he would
1:28:39
drive me to the gigs and, uh, in his van
1:28:43
with all my shit. Like I had the best dad
1:28:45
fucking ever. That's awesome. Yeah. And here, here's a mechanic. Okay.
1:28:49
Speaker 3: Look at this fucking setup, bro. This is nuts.
1:28:52
Speaker 1: Oh dude. Right.
1:28:53
Speaker 3: The hamster wheel.
1:28:54
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:28:56
Speaker 3: That is crazy.
1:28:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nuts.
1:28:58
Speaker 3: Bro, you were doing drums like halfway upside down.
1:29:01
Speaker 1: Dude, the thing was gyroscoped. It went around, you know,
1:29:05
right to left, back to front.
1:29:08
Speaker 3: What is it like trying to play the drums from
1:29:09
that position, though? That's got to be very weird.
1:29:12
Speaker 1: Dude, it is insane. Like, I had to change so
1:29:17
many dynamics. Like, think about it. Instead of gravity pulling
1:29:24
your hand down, right? Right. Now you've got to push. Oh, yeah.
1:29:30
You're upside down. So it becomes three times harder physically.
1:29:35
And also you had to make adjustments. So I don't
1:29:39
know how much you know about drums, but on your pedals,
1:29:42
they're foot pedals for your bass drums, right? Well, and
1:29:45
those are chain-driven pedals, footboards. So when you go upside down,
1:29:52
they fall, right? So I had to put springs underneath
1:29:56
the pedals to keep them taut so they would stay up.
1:30:00
You know what I'm saying?
1:30:01
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
1:30:02
Speaker 1: So I had– and with cymbals, they're meant to hang
1:30:06
a certain way. They're not meant to hang upside down.
1:30:09
So I had to make all these crazy adjustments technically
1:30:12
to pull it off. But we figured it out with
1:30:15
the hi-hat too because the hi-hat would– the two cymbals,
1:30:20
they would just– if you're upside down, they just– They
1:30:23
just go open.
1:30:24
Speaker 3: Right.
1:30:25
Speaker 1: So I had to do another spring as well to
1:30:28
keep that closed so I could manually drive it. It's
1:30:31
all this crazy shit.
1:30:32
Speaker 3: Why did you decide to do that? Like, what was it?
1:30:35
Just something rad?
1:30:36
Speaker 1: You know what? That all started. And it's kind of
1:30:40
been my thing throughout history. And every year I do
1:30:44
something fucking different and crazier. Of course, everybody's like, what
1:30:47
are you going to do next year? What are you
1:30:48
going to do next year? That's sort of like. That's
1:30:52
where it all started, and it really started when I
1:30:55
went to go see, it was fucking Pat Travers. Do
1:31:02
you remember Pat Travers' band? No. Boom, boom, out go
1:31:05
the lights.
1:31:05
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:31:06
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. Yeah, anyway, they were cool, and I went
1:31:09
to go see them, and Tommy Aldrich was the drummer.
1:31:13
And this is before Motley. I'm just like, whoa, dude.
1:31:17
I'm like a fucking kid standing on the chair. Fuck, yeah. Right?
1:31:22
And it's drum solo time. And he's a badass. And
1:31:26
he's fucking ripping, dude. All you see is sticks flying
1:31:30
and hair fucking going. He's shredding. And I'm looking around.
1:31:33
And I'm watching people go get a beer. People going
1:31:38
to pee. Going to get a t-shirt. Going out to
1:31:41
the lobby to fucking smoke a joint. I don't know, whatever.
1:31:44
Everybody's kind of leaving. And I'm like, where the fuck
1:31:48
is everybody going? That guy is murdering. the fucking drums
1:31:52
right now. And y'all are like, he failed to capture
1:31:56
their attention. And from that moment on, I went, I
1:32:00
need to figure out a, how to give the audience
1:32:04
a better view of what you're actually doing there because
1:32:08
people can't see. It's not like a guitar where you can,
1:32:11
you can see. Oh, that's the roller coaster. That's the crucify, dude.
1:32:18
Speaker 3: That's so dope.
1:32:19
Speaker 1: That's the latest one. That thing went from the front
1:32:22
all the way to the back of the fucking arena
1:32:25
or stadium.
1:32:26
Speaker 3: That's crazy, dude.
1:32:28
Speaker 1: And then it starts twirling as it's going down.
1:32:32
Speaker 3: Oh, my God. You're upside down. That's so sick. Look
1:32:35
at that, dude. That is so sick. The audience must
1:32:39
go bananas.
1:32:41
Speaker 1: Yeah. At one point, the roller coaster comes down, and
1:32:43
it's literally almost over. They could almost touch you.
1:32:46
Speaker 3: Wow.
1:32:47
Speaker 1: Look at that shit, dude. I think that is the worst.
1:32:50
Speaker 3: How do you not get a crazy head rush when
1:32:51
you're upside down banging on the drums?
1:32:54
Speaker 1: Dude, it is so gnarly. I'm wrecked. It's nine minutes total.
1:32:58
Speaker 3: Must do a lot for your core, too, right?
1:33:01
Speaker 1: Hold yourself. Dude, I'm on the oxygen bottle. When I finish,
1:33:07
I go all the way out and then I do
1:33:08
it all backwards.
1:33:10
Speaker 3: Whoa.
1:33:10
Speaker 1: I go back and do it backwards. And by the
1:33:12
time I get done, I'm sitting there with the oxygen
1:33:15
going while Mick does a guitar solo. I need a
1:33:20
couple seconds because I am fucking done.
1:33:22
Speaker 3: I can imagine, man. It's incredible cardio. It's insane. It's
1:33:27
like shadow boxing for minutes at a time. Hardcore, super fast.
1:33:31
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:33:32
Speaker 3: I've always admired the physical fitness. Yeah.
1:33:35
Speaker 1: Just constantly. And you know what that's like, man. After
1:33:38
a fucking minute of that, you're like, I know.
1:33:40
Speaker 3: The physical fitness involved in playing drums must be really crazy.
1:33:44
If you didn't play drums for a few years and
1:33:46
then picked it up again and started again, it'd probably
1:33:48
take forever to get that endurance back.
1:33:50
Speaker 1: Forever, dude.
1:33:52
Speaker 3: When you're going off, dude, you're so fast. It's so fast.
1:34:00
Everything's fucking moving. You're pounding your feet and everything. Fuck, man.
1:34:05
It's one of the most athletic things in all of music.
1:34:07
Speaker 1: It really is, man. I had this I was like, okay,
1:34:12
how come I've weighed the same weight since fucking high
1:34:18
school till today?
1:34:20
Speaker 3: Right.
1:34:21
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's fucking weird. And I eat kind
1:34:23
of whatever the fuck I want to eat. Like, I don't,
1:34:25
there's no, I don't like diet or have some strict,
1:34:30
you know, regimented food program. I was like, I'm going
1:34:34
to fucking, I got to see. I got one of those.
1:34:38
this was years ago. It was like a pedometer. You
1:34:40
clip onto your shoe, like joggers would use it to
1:34:43
see how it was like the old version. You just
1:34:45
clipped it on your, on your shoe. And it tells
1:34:48
you how many miles you did like a little tachometer,
1:34:52
not a tachometer.
1:34:53
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:34:53
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah. So I'm like, I get one, I
1:34:57
clip it on. I'm like, I'm wondering what, how many
1:35:01
fucking miles I'm doing after a two hour show. I
1:35:05
don't know. Fuck. Who knows? I know I'm sweaty as
1:35:08
fuck and I'm– after the show, all I hear is
1:35:12
ringing in my ear and I'm fucking– Wrecked. I'm wrecked.
1:35:16
I'm done. And I fucking took it off after the
1:35:21
show and I looked down and it said 13.3 miles.
1:35:25
And I was like– so that's why I don't fucking–
1:35:29
that's why I'm just skinny fuck and like I just–
1:35:33
I'd sweat it out.
1:35:34
Speaker 3: Well, Travis Barker, same deal.
1:35:36
Speaker 1: Same deal.
1:35:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he works out a lot as well,
1:35:38
but it's like same deal.
1:35:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
1:35:40
Speaker 3: It's like incredible amounts of cardio. The amount of, I
1:35:43
wonder how many calories you burn in a two-hour show.
1:35:45
It's got to be off the charts.
1:35:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, that I haven't measured.
1:35:48
Speaker 3: Because it's not just jogging. It's not like you're running
1:35:50
13 miles. Obviously, you're sitting still. But the pounding of
1:35:53
the arms.
1:35:54
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah.
1:35:55
Speaker 3: And the breathing. You know, you've got to fucking control. Yeah,
1:35:58
it's like, God.
1:36:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything's going, man. You're firing on a whole cylinder.
1:36:03
Speaker 3: For sure, the most athletic thing in all of music.
1:36:06
Speaker 1: For sure.
1:36:07
Speaker 3: Nothing even close, right?
1:36:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, no.
1:36:10
Speaker 3: I mean, playing guitar is, you're moving your hands and everything,
1:36:13
but it's not nearly.
1:36:15
Speaker 1: Drums are like, it's more like a sport.
1:36:17
Speaker 3: It really is.
1:36:17
Speaker 1: It really is.
1:36:18
Speaker 3: It really is. Like, you don't see a really out
1:36:21
of shape drummer.
1:36:22
Speaker 1: No.
1:36:23
Speaker 3: You know? It's almost like you can't be to keep up.
1:36:26
Speaker 1: No, I know. And everybody's, you're kind of like, You're
1:36:30
the fucking heartbeat, man. You're really, everybody's kind of, you know,
1:36:35
people say you're only as good, your band's only as
1:36:39
good as your drummer. And that's really fucking, it's really true.
1:36:42
And I'm not just saying that because I'm a fucking drummer,
1:36:44
but the drummer has a lot of responsibility, man. Everybody,
1:36:49
all the people that you see out there that are
1:36:50
fucking moving, I'm responsible for a lot of that. And
1:36:56
I'm not saying it for all of it, but you
1:36:57
sort of set the pace. You know, and you're making
1:37:04
people physically move. Yes. Like that takes a lot of work.
1:37:11
You know, the amount of energy you're putting out, you're
1:37:13
getting back and you're seeing it and you're like, fuck,
1:37:16
I'm driving here. Yeah. And that's a cool place to be.
1:37:19
But it is a responsibility and it is. physical and
1:37:22
it's draining, but, but it's fucking rad. I live for it.
1:37:26
Speaker 3: Did you take lessons to learn how to drum or
1:37:29
did you learn on your own?
1:37:30
Speaker 1: Um, I, I didn't really take lessons. Like I learned
1:37:34
on my own until, I mean like kind of early in,
1:37:39
in high school I played in the marching band, but
1:37:43
that wasn't really like drums. That was like more like,
1:37:46
like a drum core stuff, like rudiments and like, you know,
1:37:51
drum core shit. not really the whole kit until later. Um, I,
1:37:56
I got the school, my high school to let me,
1:37:58
or sorry, my grade school to let me borrow the drum,
1:38:02
the jazz drum set at the school and I'd bring
1:38:06
it home. And then I started just like listening to
1:38:09
my favorite shit and I would just play along. And I,
1:38:13
so I never really took any physical lessons. I just
1:38:17
It was just in me, man. I was just, like,
1:38:19
really good at hearing something and going, oh, okay, I
1:38:22
got it.
1:38:23
Speaker 3: Did you have to learn how to hold the sticks?
1:38:24
Do you hold the sticks in a conventional way, like
1:38:26
you're taught, or did you just figure it out on
1:38:28
your own?
1:38:28
Speaker 1: Just. I just figured it out on my own. Probably
1:38:33
just moved on from the forks and the spoons.
1:38:36
Speaker 3: It's interesting how many great musicians learned on their own.
1:38:39
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:38:40
Speaker 3: Like Hendrix. Hendrix taught himself to play guitar. That's why
1:38:43
he played it upside down, left-handed.
1:38:45
Speaker 1: He just made it work.
1:38:46
Speaker 3: Yeah. Just figured out how to do it on his own.
1:38:49
It's really interesting how like with, you know, when you
1:38:53
just get an instrument and listen to other people use
1:38:56
it and learn how they're doing it and just kind
1:38:59
of fuck around with it and figure it out.
1:39:00
Speaker 1: And then doing it your own way.
1:39:02
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:39:03
Speaker 1: Of course. And then, whoa, then you got your own thing,
1:39:05
which is, that's wonderful, man.
1:39:07
Speaker 3: Well, if you think about early rock and roll versus
1:39:10
the way drums are played, like, like you play or
1:39:13
like Travis plays, like some elite drummer plays, it's like,
1:39:17
drums are so much, it's like, it's so much more
1:39:19
powerful now than ever before.
1:39:21
Speaker 1: I know, man. God. And then that thing happens. I
1:39:25
don't know if you've ever been around like a, like
1:39:27
a drum circle, the more drummers there are, like all
1:39:31
of a sudden it just becomes this, this thing. It
1:39:34
grows into this tribal, like, dude, everybody's just being moved
1:39:39
by rhythm. Yeah. And fuck, it's so powerful. It's like,
1:39:43
you know, I don't know that, that kind of, it's,
1:39:46
It's a more aggressive power than the kind of power
1:39:49
where you can make somebody fucking cry playing the piano. Right.
1:39:52
Playing the right chords. Right. I'll watch them cry. Yeah. Right? Yeah. But, yeah,
1:39:58
that's fun, man. There's nothing better than rhythm, man. I
1:40:03
live for that shit.
1:40:04
Speaker 3: No, I can tell.
1:40:05
Speaker 1: I was getting in trouble all the time, man, in
1:40:07
school because I'd always be like... Always. Always. Can you
1:40:13
stop tapping on the tables? Yep. Sorry. They sit back
1:40:17
in the back of class and be like, making like
1:40:23
water drip noises. Everyone's looking around for a leak. Class clown.
1:40:29
Speaker 3: Well, there's something about drums that it's like a part
1:40:31
of like tribal culture. Like from the beginning of human time,
1:40:35
like people pounding on drums. For war. Yeah, they pounded
1:40:40
it on ships to keep pace with the rowing. You know,
1:40:43
there was a guy that was the drummer on a ship.
1:40:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:40:45
Speaker 3: You know, to make sure everybody keeps pace.
1:40:47
Speaker 1: It's kind of wild. Isn't that cool?
1:40:49
Speaker 3: You know, they knew even back then there's something about
1:40:53
the sound of drums that's important.
1:40:58
Speaker 1: The heartbeat.
1:41:00
Speaker 3: Do you ever fuck around with bongos?
1:41:03
Speaker 1: Oh, sure. Yeah, a lot of hand instruments, bongos, congas.
1:41:09
I just, the last couple of years, have been playing
1:41:13
a hand drum. People call them a hang drum, hand drum.
1:41:16
You know them? Have you seen them? They look like
1:41:19
a fucking flying saucer.
1:41:20
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, I have.
1:41:22
Speaker 1: They're really melodic, really beautiful, zen-y sounding instrument. That's cool,
1:41:28
because it's percussive and melodic. So you can come up
1:41:31
with these really bitchin', depending on how the instrument's tuned
1:41:35
and stuff, but that's been a lot of fun. That's cool, like,
1:41:39
sort of A different kind of rhythm, but it's a
1:41:45
soothing one. It's the total opposite of the aggressive shit. Right, right, right.
1:41:51
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it must be fun since you've been
1:41:53
playing drums for so long just to experiment with different things.
1:41:58
Speaker 1: I love that, man. I'm always searching for a new sound,
1:42:05
you know, a new percussive sound that moves you, makes
1:42:09
you fucking... I don't know, it gets inside you. I'm
1:42:15
always on the hunt, dude. I'm such a tweaker. I'll
1:42:19
find something that sonically sounds like a drum. It could
1:42:22
be a drum. It's not. And I'll make it. I'll
1:42:26
turn it into something that sounds like a drum. And
1:42:28
all of a sudden, you know, that, you know, I
1:42:30
don't know, hitting on these elk horns or something sounds
1:42:34
like a wood block, but pitched way, way down, it
1:42:39
more sounds like a note going, oom. I don't know. Like,
1:42:43
I'm just I love I love percussion and rhythm. So
1:42:47
I'm always fucking around trying to find find something that
1:42:51
moves us, you know. That's my job. Yeah. That's a
1:42:55
cool fucking job. I'm here to move you, man.
1:42:59
Speaker 3: It's a cool fucking job. Yeah, I like it, man.
1:43:02
Speaker 1: It doesn't suck. No. It doesn't suck.
1:43:04
Speaker 3: No. When you're working on a new song, when you're
1:43:08
creating a new song, what is your process? Do you
1:43:12
have a beat in your head? Do you sit down
1:43:15
and just start fucking around until something comes to you? Like,
1:43:18
how do you do it?
1:43:19
Speaker 1: You know what? It's always different. I wish I could
1:43:21
say I had like a, A thing? A process. I
1:43:24
really don't, man. Like, you know, it'll be something that
1:43:28
happened to me or something I'm experiencing will spark a
1:43:32
word or a chant. All of a sudden, you know,
1:43:37
then I'll pick up a fucking guitar and be like, oh,
1:43:40
this is killer. Or sometimes they come with a beat.
1:43:43
I'm like, oh, this is a fucking killer beat. This
1:43:45
would be great. And then I'll start with a beat
1:43:47
and then add guitars. It's never really, there's not really
1:43:51
like a format. I just kind of go with whatever's
1:43:55
sort of inspiring me at the time that I feel
1:43:58
like I need to write about. Yeah, there's not really
1:44:03
like a way. I know a lot of people have
1:44:05
a methodical way. Like, well, I start with the lyric first.
1:44:09
Always the lyric first. Nothing else is important. Okay, dude.
1:44:15
Why don't we get people to move first before you
1:44:17
try to seduce them with these fucking crazy words? Actually,
1:44:22
no one's going to even get to these fucking words
1:44:26
if you can't get them to stay listening or to move.
1:44:30
They're like, oh, this is nice. It's not the key
1:44:34
moment when you're like, ooh, this is cool. Before you've
1:44:38
even heard a lyric or a melody, that's kind of
1:44:45
my priority is like, is it moving me?
1:44:47
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:44:48
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go.
1:44:49
Speaker 3: It seems like having a bunch of different methods to
1:44:51
get there is probably better anyway.
1:44:53
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:44:54
Speaker 3: Because there's all sorts of different paths to get to
1:44:56
the prize.
1:44:57
Speaker 1: Right.
1:44:58
Speaker 3: And having a bunch of different methods of creativity is
1:45:01
probably better.
1:45:02
Speaker 1: It's going to give you– It frees you up more.
1:45:04
Different results, right?
1:45:05
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:45:05
Speaker 1: Instead of being, okay, well, it's going to start to
1:45:07
sound the same if you keep using the same method. Yeah.
1:45:12
Speaker 3: When you write, do you write down on paper or
1:45:14
do you just– Yeah.
1:45:15
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, paper. Paper. No.
1:45:19
Speaker 3: Do you ever write on computer or do you ever
1:45:21
like just write in your own head? Do you ever
1:45:23
just like.
1:45:24
Speaker 1: I use a computer a lot too. A lot for,
1:45:27
excuse me, for demos. That's a really quick way to,
1:45:30
you know, where I can, I can present a song
1:45:33
to the band where, you know, fuck, I play guitar, sing, drums, bass.
1:45:38
So I'll, I'll bring in demos that....
1:45:42
Speaker 3: Totally created by you.
1:45:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, just sound, they sound finished, you know, it's like, okay.
1:45:47
And then, you know, and we'll go from there. So yeah, I,
1:45:51
I always try to like, you know, not, not finish
1:45:55
everything entirely because you know, when you're in a band
1:45:59
with three other guys who also create kind of leave
1:46:01
it open for that. But, um, but yeah, I'd use
1:46:05
the computer a lot to sort of compose the ideas
1:46:08
and get them recorded, sort of produce them.
1:46:13
Speaker 3: It's really beautiful that, You know, Motley Crue hit in 1980.
1:46:18
Here we are 46 years later and you still love it.
1:46:24
Speaker 1: I know.
1:46:25
Speaker 3: That's so awesome.
1:46:26
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?
1:46:27
Speaker 3: That's what everybody wants in this life. Something that they're
1:46:30
passionate about that remains a passion. It stays. And if anything,
1:46:36
grows as a passion. Still exciting. Still enticing. Still captivates you.
1:46:42
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:46:43
Speaker 3: 1980.
1:46:44
Speaker 1: 1980.
1:46:45
Speaker 3: The world was a different place. I mean, think about
1:46:48
where we were in the universe in 1980 and how
1:46:52
the entire solar system is spiraling through the galaxy, which
1:46:57
is spiraling through space. Like, we've moved how many fucking
1:47:01
million miles since 1980? I know.
1:47:06
Speaker 1: That's hard to think about.
1:47:08
Speaker 3: You know, have you ever seen what the, you know,
1:47:10
we always want to think about the sun being in
1:47:13
the center of our solar system and the planet spinning
1:47:16
around it. But have you ever seen what the whole
1:47:18
solar system looks like, like moving through space? The whole
1:47:22
thing's moving through space. It's not stationary. It's not like
1:47:27
we're sat there and we're just spinning around.
1:47:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, and everybody else is just sitting there.
1:47:32
Speaker 3: No, the fucking whole thing is hurling through space. So
1:47:36
in 1980, we were in a totally different spot in
1:47:40
the universe.
1:47:42
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That is crazy.
1:47:45
Speaker 3: The world was different. People were different. Information was different.
1:47:51
Our version of reality was different.
1:47:53
Speaker 1: Everything.
1:47:54
Speaker 3: Everything was different.
1:47:56
Speaker 1: Fuck.
1:47:57
Speaker 3: And you wrote it out from answering machines to pagers
1:48:03
to fucking sidekicks to iPhones to the internet to everything like.
1:48:09
Speaker 1: Remember the Motorola brick phone?
1:48:11
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
1:48:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude.
1:48:13
Speaker 3: You were a pimp if you had one of those.
1:48:17
Look at it. This is what it looks like. See,
1:48:20
most people think our solar system looks like, but this
1:48:22
is what it actually is doing.
1:48:24
Speaker 1: Oh, it's true.
1:48:24
Speaker 3: How our solar system actually moves. So look, the sun's
1:48:28
hurling through space, and all the planets are spinning around
1:48:32
it as it hurls through space. Oh. Isn't that crazy?
1:48:35
Speaker 1: Where's Earth there?
1:48:36
Speaker 3: Earth is the third planet from the sun.
1:48:38
Speaker 1: Oh.
1:48:39
Speaker 3: The blue one right there.
1:48:40
Speaker 1: Dude.
1:48:40
Speaker 3: So just think about that.
1:48:42
Speaker 1: How many rips?
1:48:43
Speaker 3: Yeah. How many rips have we done since 1980?
1:48:48
Speaker 1: Bro.
1:48:49
Speaker 3: We're in a different place in the fucking universe than
1:48:52
we were in 1980. Whoa. How far? Let's ask this.
1:48:57
How far has the solar system moved through the universe
1:49:00
since 1980? Let's ask perplexity that.
1:49:04
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
1:49:05
Speaker 3: This is one of the best uses of AI. Stupid
1:49:08
information like this.
1:49:10
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, it is.
1:49:12
Speaker 3: It is. I'm going to guess. 100 million miles. Just
1:49:20
a wild guess. I have no idea. I might be
1:49:24
off by 100 million. Well, let me see what it
1:49:31
looks like. Roughly two to three, I think a light
1:49:35
year is a trillion miles.
1:49:38
Speaker 1: Whoa, dude.
1:49:39
Speaker 3: Two to three light years through space. Okay, how many
1:49:42
miles is a light year? Put that in. I didn't
1:49:46
say miles. Right, but how many miles is a light year?
1:49:55
I think it's a trillion miles.
1:49:59
Speaker 1: Fuck, we're going in.
1:50:01
Speaker 3: Oh, a light year is 5.88 trillion miles.
1:50:04
Speaker 1: Dude! Okay.
1:50:06
Speaker 3: So think about that. Think about how many trillions of
1:50:10
miles Earth has traveled through the universe since Motley Crue
1:50:16
bust out onto the scene.
1:50:18
Speaker 1: Dude.
1:50:18
Speaker 3: Think of that.
1:50:19
Speaker 1: And a trillion is a thousand billion, right?
1:50:22
Speaker 3: Yes, a thousand billion. How many thousand billion miles has
1:50:27
the Earth traveled? So it was like two to three
1:50:34
light years. Okay. And each light year is how many trillion?
1:50:38
Speaker 1: 5.88.
1:50:40
Speaker 3: 5.88. How about that? So you're dealing with roughly... 15
1:50:46
plus trillion miles?
1:50:49
Speaker 1: Dude, we're old.
1:50:52
Speaker 3: Old as fuck. 1980, I was in junior high school.
1:50:56
Speaker 1: I don't know about old, but fuck we've traveled.
1:50:58
Speaker 3: We have fucking traveled.
1:50:59
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:51:00
Speaker 3: We have fucking traveled.
1:51:01
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:51:02
Speaker 3: But that's a freaky thing to think about, how far,
1:51:07
we're in a different place in the universe.
1:51:09
Speaker 1: Boy, thank you for that bit of information. That's nice
1:51:12
to hear. I don't know.
1:51:15
Speaker 3: Just to think about it.
1:51:16
Speaker 1: Dude, you know how many miles I fucking traveled, bro? Yeah.
1:51:20
Speaker 3: 15 plus trillion.
1:51:22
Speaker 1: Trillion?
1:51:22
Speaker 3: Just since Motley Crue bust out onto the scene. What
1:51:25
was it like being that famous at 18? That'd be nuts.
1:51:29
Speaker 1: It's fucking bizarre, dude. Like, I don't even know how
1:51:34
to explain it. Just imagine having the fucking, I don't know,
1:51:40
the keys to the fucking... Pretty much anything you wanted
1:51:47
to do, try.
1:51:48
Speaker 3: What was the first crazy thing you bought when you
1:51:51
first started making cheddar?
1:51:52
Speaker 1: First thing I bought was my fucking dream car. It
1:51:58
was a fucking 82 Corvette. T-top.
1:52:02
Speaker 3: Nice.
1:52:03
Speaker 1: T-tops popped out. What color? It was champagne colored.
1:52:07
Speaker 3: Ooh, nice.
1:52:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of silvery gold kind of a color. Yeah.
1:52:13
Fucking rad, dude. I don't know when you're a kid.
1:52:17
Speaker 3: In 82, the Corvette was one of the only American
1:52:20
cars worth buying. Because in 82, they were still dope looking.
1:52:25
Pull up a 1982 Corvette.
1:52:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're still fucking rad.
1:52:28
Speaker 3: Mustangs looked like hot dog shit in 82. They looked
1:52:32
fucking terrible. They looked terrible. Camaros looked like shit. Everything
1:52:36
looked like shit. They were all like plastic garbage. That's
1:52:39
still dope.
1:52:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:52:40
Speaker 3: Like that's still dope today.
1:52:42
Speaker 1: That's the color I had, dude.
1:52:43
Speaker 3: Look at that.
1:52:44
Speaker 1: That's the one.
1:52:45
Speaker 3: Look at that. Make that bigger.
1:52:47
Speaker 1: Look at that.
1:52:49
Speaker 3: That is a fucking dope car today.
1:52:52
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:52:52
Speaker 3: It's one of the only American cars from 1982 that
1:52:56
looks dope today. Like pull up a 1982 Mustang. 1982
1:52:59
Mustang is going to make you want to vomit.
1:53:05
Speaker 1: Oh, dude.
1:53:06
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people that are like fans
1:53:08
of the fox body.
1:53:09
Speaker 1: Oh, no. Look at that.
1:53:10
Speaker 3: What is that? Garbage.
1:53:12
Speaker 1: Bro, that looks like a gremlin.
1:53:14
Speaker 3: It looks like straight horse shit. That's whatever the fucking
1:53:18
Russians did to us to make this fake car. Or
1:53:23
really the Nixon administration by fucking blocking drugs. Look at
1:53:27
how ugly that is. That is fucking disgusting.
1:53:31
Speaker 1: That is, dude.
1:53:32
Speaker 3: Look how fucking disgusting that is. Now I want you
1:53:35
to do this. Pull up a 1969 Boss 429 Mustang.
1:53:37
Put up the pinnacle. The pinnacle of muscle cars. Look
1:53:47
at that, motherfucker.
1:53:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, right?
1:53:50
Speaker 3: Look at that.
1:53:51
Speaker 1: Fucking hell.
1:53:51
Speaker 3: Look at the difference between 1969 and that fucking dog
1:53:56
shit 1982. Extended Gremlin.
1:53:58
Speaker 1: Look at that, motherfucker.
1:54:00
Speaker 3: Look at that thing. God damn. America. That's a real car.
1:54:05
Speaker 1: That's badass.
1:54:05
Speaker 3: But they blocked the drugs. They kept those car makers
1:54:08
from having drugs, and they all make garbage except Corvettes.
1:54:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:54:13
Speaker 3: Corvette still stuck with that style because Corvettes were fiberglass.
1:54:18
So they weren't as limited in terms of like the shapes.
1:54:21
You know, they had those cool swervy lines to them
1:54:24
and they kept those until, oddly enough, the 90s. They
1:54:29
started getting shitty in the 90s. Look at you, dog.
1:54:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, there it is, dude.
1:54:33
Speaker 3: Look at you, dog. Wow, that's crazy.
1:54:37
Speaker 1: That's nuts, dude.
1:54:37
Speaker 3: I wonder who's got that car.
1:54:39
Speaker 1: I don't know.
1:54:40
Speaker 3: Somebody has Tommy Lee's 1982 Corvette.
1:54:43
Speaker 1: Somebody.
1:54:44
Speaker 3: They have to.
1:54:45
Speaker 1: You know that thing's still running.
1:54:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably, hopefully.
1:54:48
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:54:49
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of those, they take them and make
1:54:52
resto mods out of them now. They'll put, like, a
1:54:53
modern engine and modern brakes and everything so they handle
1:54:56
better and modern suspension.
1:54:59
Speaker 1: I immediately fucking, me and my buddy just took that
1:55:05
car and fucking put a, like, blower and an injection
1:55:10
on it. This fucking insane dude in the glove box.
1:55:13
This is before, like now we have, you know, a
1:55:17
bunch of super rad tuned exhaust, you know, uh, you know,
1:55:21
straight pipe shit loud as fuck. This is before that.
1:55:25
And we, we made a couple of cutouts in the,
1:55:28
in the glove box. Like if the cops were to come,
1:55:30
you just open the glove box and take these two, they,
1:55:33
they're like choke levers and you, you pull them, pull
1:55:37
them out. And the flaps would disconnect them and just
1:55:41
go straight from the headers out and bypass the mufflers.
1:55:44
So it would just be like... And if the cops
1:55:50
were coming, you just push these two choke levers in
1:55:54
and back to the mufflers, all quiet.
1:55:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have switches for that now with a lot
1:56:00
of cars, like custom-made cars. They have exhaust switches that
1:56:02
do that. But they don't do it to that extent
1:56:04
where it just goes straight pipes.
1:56:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:56:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, that must have sounded fucking amazing.
1:56:11
Speaker 1: Dude, so rad.
1:56:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's nothing like rock and roll and
1:56:14
muscle cars. Like, those are two things that are, like,
1:56:17
completely connected forever.
1:56:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, another fucking rad car that I never got, but
1:56:22
I always wanted to, was, like, the fucking Shelby Cobra. Oh, yeah.
1:56:27
The big fucking pipes blowing right just loud as fuck. Like,
1:56:31
four-inch exhaust. Like, dude, that shit's throaty and just.
1:56:35
Speaker 3: Tiny little car, little fiberglass car.
1:56:39
Speaker 1: Go-kart with a 427 in it.
1:56:41
Speaker 3: Crazy power, no weight at all. It weighs nothing.
1:56:44
Speaker 1: It just does burnouts the whole time. Too much.
1:56:48
Speaker 3: I have a buddy of mine who has one of those.
1:56:49
It's nuts. But it freaks me out. It's like there's
1:56:52
no protection here. If you get in an accident, there's
1:56:54
like nothing to this car. You have no roof. You
1:56:58
don't even have a roll bar. It's like just got
1:57:00
this little tiny windshield. You're behind the wheel of an engine,
1:57:03
just a giant engine with four wheels.
1:57:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're done.
1:57:06
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:57:07
Speaker 1: One bad move.
1:57:08
Speaker 3: Pretty dope. Yeah, super rad. Yeah, like one of those. Like,
1:57:12
look at that fucking thing.
1:57:13
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm sorry, but that's the fucking sickest shit.
1:57:17
Speaker 3: Radical looking.
1:57:19
Speaker 1: Oh, look at the flared wheel wells.
1:57:20
Speaker 3: The thing is, too, they make a lot of recreations now.
1:57:23
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:57:23
Speaker 3: The old ones are worth like millions of dollars.
1:57:25
Speaker 1: Dude, I know. Yeah. Yeah.
1:57:27
Speaker 3: But you can get a recreation and experience the exact
1:57:30
same thing.
1:57:31
Speaker 1: Sure.
1:57:32
Speaker 3: There's a ton of recreations now. And they're fucking great.
1:57:35
And they look the same. And it's like, yeah, it's
1:57:37
not worth as much money. But who fucking cares? Just
1:57:39
go drive it. It's awesome.
1:57:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:57:42
Speaker 3: Look at that thing. Jeez.
1:57:43
Speaker 1: Bro, look at. Jeez.
1:57:45
Speaker 3: Carbon fiber. Oh, my goodness. Look at that fucking thing.
1:57:48
It's all carbon fiber.
1:57:49
Speaker 1: Oh, fuck.
1:57:50
Speaker 3: That must weigh 14 pounds.
1:57:51
Speaker 1: Let's go get a couple, dude.
1:57:53
Speaker 3: Dude, who's making that? Click on that link. Who's making
1:57:57
that fucking thing? Yeah, probably is. Well, I know, yeah,
1:58:02
Classic Recreations, that same company that does those dope 67 GT500s.
1:58:05
They're making a classic. Recreations.
1:58:08
Speaker 1: 1,000 horsepower! Oh, dude.
1:58:09
Speaker 3: Dude, it weighs 2,300 pounds. That's nuts.
1:58:12
Speaker 4: 1,000?
1:58:12
Speaker 3: The carbon fiber body is only 88 pounds.
1:58:25
Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
1:58:27
Speaker 3: So it's 2,000 pounds of suspension, frame, and wheels, and engine.
1:58:33
And that's it. Look at that. That's sick. That's so sick.
1:58:37
Speaker 1: That's just straight trouble right there.
1:58:41
Speaker 3: That's going to get you in trouble.
1:58:42
Speaker 1: Or not.
1:58:43
Speaker 3: Or just enjoy yourself.
1:58:44
Speaker 1: Just fun, yeah.
1:58:44
Speaker 3: But it's America, fuck yeah.
1:58:48
Speaker 1: Fuck, I love those cars.
1:58:50
Speaker 3: What else did you buy that was preposterous? What else
1:58:53
did you buy that's nuts?
1:58:55
Speaker 1: Um, when they first came out, um, me and my
1:59:00
bass player bought like almost fucking at the same time, uh,
1:59:04
the Ferrari had come out with the Testarossa.
1:59:07
Speaker 3: Oh, the Miami vice car.
1:59:09
Speaker 1: Totally dude. Yeah. I had a car broker find me
1:59:14
a black on black one.
1:59:16
Speaker 3: Oh man.
1:59:16
Speaker 1: And it was just like, fuck. Okay. This is insane.
1:59:21
The listeners will probably appreciate this. You buy a, a
1:59:25
fucking car for 200, at the time, $ 250, 000 for the Testarossa.
1:59:30
Get it shipped from, it came in from, from Florida
1:59:35
to LA. I'm pulling the plastic off the seats. This
1:59:37
is brand fucking new. Back it down the fucking car carrier.
1:59:42
And I'm in, the dude's kind of showing me, you know,
1:59:45
what's up. And I fucking, I look in the, you know,
1:59:50
to the right of the steering wheel, there's like a,
1:59:52
like a, looks like a cover. So I grab it
1:59:55
and you open it up where the stereo would be.
2:00:00
I open it up and I go, where's the stereo?
2:00:05
The guy goes, oh, Enzo believed that the music that
2:00:12
you should be listening to is the sound of the engine.
2:00:17
And I'm like. Well, that's fucking rad and everything, Enzo.
2:00:21
But bro, I just spent a quarter of a million
2:00:24
dollars and I want to fucking crank shit loud as
2:00:27
fuck here and breaking.
2:00:29
Speaker 3: The speed limit.
2:00:30
Speaker 1: Like, come on. Who does that? And so I had
2:00:34
to go. I got a stereo at the time. There
2:00:37
was no subwoofers. There was a bazooka tube was available.
2:00:42
Speaker 3: You could drop.
2:00:43
Speaker 1: There's no room, too. So you could you could get
2:00:46
a bazooka tube behind the seats. Right. And some fucking,
2:00:49
you know, for a subwoofer and some other speakers in
2:00:52
the doors.
2:00:53
Speaker 3: Decent door speakers.
2:00:55
Speaker 1: Yeah. Decent.
2:00:56
Speaker 3: They were only decent back then.
2:00:57
Speaker 1: Yeah. And an Alpine receiver. Right. And I got it
2:01:01
to bump, but I just found it fucking just shocking that, like,
2:01:07
that much money for a car and you still don't
2:01:10
get a stereo? What?
2:01:11
Speaker 3: It's pretty ridiculous.
2:01:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:01:13
Speaker 3: But... They did sound incredible.
2:01:16
Speaker 1: And I totally get it.
2:01:18
Speaker 3: Like, you should be listening to the motor. There's a
2:01:19
sound that those things make that's just like, it's heavenly.
2:01:23
It's totally different than the American sound of the muscle
2:01:25
car sound. The muscle car sound is my all-time favorite.
2:01:28
But there's something melodic about those Ferrari engines. Roar!
2:01:33
Speaker 1: Roar!
2:01:35
Speaker 3: It's like a sound just like it. Oh, there's a
2:01:37
sound that it has. It's like, it's, it's so spectacular.
2:01:40
It's just engineering and it's wine and pasta and a
2:01:44
fucking windy road.
2:01:45
Speaker 1: And totally, you know, bonjour. No. Fuck.
2:01:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, man. Oh, those things are, there's something special. And again,
2:01:58
it's a, what is that? It's a piece of passion.
2:01:59
It's artwork. It's artwork. That's, you know, made into an
2:02:04
engineering form.
2:02:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, that we get to play with. Yeah. Basically a
2:02:08
race car.
2:02:09
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like a friend of mine, we were talking about
2:02:12
like Ferrari. Do you think Ferraris are worth it? I go, listen, man,
2:02:15
rich people aren't stupid. They're not stupid. If Ferraris weren't
2:02:18
worth it, they wouldn't keep buying them. Have you ever
2:02:20
driven one?
2:02:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:02:22
Speaker 3: No, trust me. They're fucking worth it.
2:02:23
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:02:24
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, it's a ridiculous amount of money. It's not
2:02:26
worth it really for a normal person. But if you
2:02:29
have like an insane amount of money and you could
2:02:31
experience that, the thing Ferrari fucked up on big time.
2:02:35
is they took away the manual transmission. They fucked that up.
2:02:39
They fucked that up. Porsche's the only one who kept it.
2:02:42
They're the only one smart enough to realize there's a
2:02:44
part of the experience that you gotta fucking... That gated
2:02:50
shifter where you're clacking them in there in a Ferrari.
2:02:55
Speaker 1: Bring it back.
2:02:56
Speaker 3: Cut the shit. Guys are silly.
2:02:59
Speaker 1: Dude, did you see the fucking electric car they just released?
2:03:02
Which one? The Ferrari?
2:03:04
Speaker 3: That was dog shit.
2:03:05
Speaker 1: Dude.
2:03:06
Speaker 3: They fucked that up. Hardcore. That looks like a joke.
2:03:08
It looks like something that someone made for just to
2:03:13
get engagement online. Like it's fake, but it's real.
2:03:16
Speaker 1: I know. I couldn't. I was like, this.
2:03:18
Speaker 3: Can't be real. It looks as ugly as those 1982 Mustangs.
2:03:21
Speaker 1: Yes.
2:03:21
Speaker 3: It looks like a bar of soap. See, pull a
2:03:23
picture of the Ferrari electric car.
2:03:26
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Look at Ferrari. Look at it, dude.
2:03:29
Speaker 3: It looks so boring. What the fuck? And so nothing.
2:03:32
Speaker 1: Nothing.
2:03:33
Speaker 3: Look at it. Even inside, you're like, this looks like
2:03:35
cheap dog shit.
2:03:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:03:38
Speaker 3: I don't understand it.
2:03:39
Speaker 1: I don't get it either. I thought it was like
2:03:41
a joke. I know. You know, like, you know.
2:03:44
Speaker 3: Like, look at this. It's got suicide doors, which is
2:03:46
kind of dope.
2:03:46
Speaker 1: That's kind of cool.
2:03:47
Speaker 3: But you know what is really dope? On a 65 Continental,
2:03:50
not on this fucking thing. Look at ugly, ugly fucking monstrosity.
2:03:56
Speaker 1: That's funny you mentioned that car. That's another one of
2:03:58
my favorites. Oh, 65 Continental?
2:04:02
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
2:04:02
Speaker 1: Fucking.
2:04:03
Speaker 3: I know a guy who's got one for sale that's
2:04:05
a resto mod, and I'm fucking really thinking about it.
2:04:08
Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
2:04:09
Speaker 3: It's a 65 black convertible with the suicide doors, and
2:04:12
it's just mint. It's mint. And it's got a new
2:04:16
engine in it, like a modern engine, and it's got
2:04:18
fucking a perfect suspension in it. It looks so radical.
2:04:21
There's something about that car, especially in a convertible, the 65.
2:04:25
Speaker 1: The convertible, that's my jam right there.
2:04:29
Speaker 3: Good luck parking anywhere.
2:04:30
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:04:31
Speaker 3: You might as well be parking a yacht.
2:04:32
Speaker 1: It's a fucking boat, dude.
2:04:33
Speaker 3: It's so big. It's so big. It's so big, but
2:04:37
it's so sick. It's just I can't understand how Ferrari
2:04:40
can make. Now, I want you to pull up a
2:04:42
Ferrari 458 Italia. So I think the 458 is their masterpiece.
2:04:48
I think it's the best looking Ferrari that they ever made.
2:04:51
There's a lot of them that look great. There's a
2:04:53
lot of them that are amazing. But for me, there's
2:04:55
something about when they came up with the 458. It just,
2:04:59
they nailed it. You look at that. Oh, my God.
2:05:03
Look at that fucking thing. That is a work of art.
2:05:07
It's so beautiful. And a lot of people think it's
2:05:10
the greatest Ferrari ever. It also doesn't have a manual transmission,
2:05:14
which sucks a fat dick. But other than that, go
2:05:17
back to that last picture that you had of that one.
2:05:19
Look at that one.
2:05:20
Speaker 1: Make that bigger.
2:05:20
Speaker 3: Look at that color. Oh, it's a shitty picture. But, God,
2:05:24
it's fucking beautiful. Amazing design.
2:05:27
Speaker 1: Those are beautiful.
2:05:27
Speaker 3: Now, think of the company that made that. Also made that.
2:05:30
Go with that black one right there where your cursor
2:05:32
just was. Click on that one.
2:05:33
Speaker 1: Oh, baby.
2:05:35
Speaker 3: Look how sick that is.
2:05:37
Speaker 1: Yep.
2:05:37
Speaker 3: And how do you go from that to that electric
2:05:40
piece of shit you guys just released?
2:05:42
Speaker 1: I don't know. Fuck you.
2:05:43
Speaker 3: Fuck you for doing that. How dare you?
2:05:48
Speaker 1: I bought an F8 Tributo.
2:05:52
Speaker 3: Oh, those are sick.
2:05:53
Speaker 1: Which is very similar to... And that fucking car is badass.
2:05:58
Speaker 3: No, they make incredible cars. They make incredible. And somehow
2:06:02
or another, less douchey than a Lamborghini. I don't know
2:06:05
how they did it.
2:06:07
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:06:07
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? It's like something about a
2:06:09
Ferrari that you have when it's sophisticated. You know?
2:06:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:06:13
Speaker 3: Whereas if you have a Lamborghini, like, look at this douchebag. Meanwhile,
2:06:17
Lamborghinis are awesome.
2:06:19
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:06:19
Speaker 3: They're awesome.
2:06:20
Speaker 1: But why is that? Why are they, like, attached to?
2:06:23
I guess because it's kind of like. I don't know.
2:06:26
I don't know. Maybe rappers or something started leasing them.
2:06:31
Speaker 3: I don't know because they used Ferraris too. It doesn't
2:06:34
make any sense. It's like there's something about them that's
2:06:37
more ostentatious. It's more obnoxious.
2:06:40
Speaker 1: The doors maybe. Just too showy. I know.
2:06:44
Speaker 3: I have a buddy of mine who loves Ferrari. He's
2:06:46
a rich guy and he loves Ferrari. He's like, I
2:06:47
can't drive a Lamborghini. I'm like, why not? He's like,
2:06:50
it's just– I feel like a douchebag.
2:06:52
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay.
2:06:55
Speaker 3: I know what you're saying. There's a real thing there,
2:06:57
but I don't know why.
2:06:58
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:06:58
Speaker 3: Because Lamborghinis are fucking amazing.
2:07:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, they fucking, too, have an amazing sound.
2:07:03
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
2:07:04
Speaker 1: Different from Ferraris. Exactly. A little higher, whinier.
2:07:07
Speaker 3: But sick.
2:07:07
Speaker 1: But they bark. I mean... Like, what is.
2:07:09
Speaker 3: The latest Lamborghini? They have some crazy new one that
2:07:13
they just released last year. It's insane. It's as wide
2:07:17
as a fucking trailer.
2:07:18
Speaker 1: Oh.
2:07:19
Speaker 3: It's huge.
2:07:21
Speaker 1: XJ... I don't know.
2:07:22
Speaker 3: I don't know the name of it. I've never had
2:07:24
a Lamborghini.
2:07:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, me either.
2:07:27
Speaker 3: I drove one once on a track. It was a
2:07:28
little loose. Which one's that? Tamarino? Tamarario. Tamarario. That looks amazing.
2:07:40
Speaker 1: Whoa, dude.
2:07:41
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:07:42
Speaker 1: That's pretty. Ew. That one.
2:07:45
Speaker 3: There we go.
2:07:45
Speaker 1: Huracan.
2:07:46
Speaker 3: That's another sick one.
2:07:47
Speaker 1: Oh, the Huracan, yeah.
2:07:48
Speaker 3: That's a little smaller and lighter, I think.
2:07:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude.
2:07:53
Speaker 3: It's also amazing you give an 18-year-old kid that kind
2:07:56
of power in a car and you're still alive.
2:08:01
Speaker 1: I know. I know. Oh, dude. Fuck. Yeah. Those kind
2:08:09
of cars will definitely check you, keep you in check, too,
2:08:13
because it's not until, you know, Over 100 miles an hour,
2:08:20
getting closer to 200 miles an hour to where you're
2:08:23
in that car and you're like, it hits you. You go,
2:08:27
if I make one fucking tiny little error here, it's over.
2:08:33
Speaker 3: It's over.
2:08:34
Speaker 1: It's over. Yeah. The motor's in the fucking back. Yeah.
2:08:37
And if this thing runs off the road or whatever,
2:08:42
it's just going to accordion.
2:08:44
Speaker 3: Right into me.
2:08:45
Speaker 1: And you're done.
2:08:48
Speaker 3: It's kind of amazing you just buy one. I thought
2:08:51
about that now. They have the new Corvette ZR1. It
2:08:55
has 1,000 horsepower from the factory. So you could just
2:08:58
go into a Corvette dealership, if you got the cash,
2:09:01
slap down some money, and you have 1,000. 1,000 horsepower
2:09:04
car that goes zero to 60 in two seconds. And
2:09:06
you just go out there and be like, bye. Good luck.
2:09:13
Be safe. Yeah. Like, what are you doing? How are
2:09:15
you allowed to have that? Like, you should have to
2:09:17
have a pilot's license to drive one of those things.
2:09:19
Speaker 1: Totally. Or just, you know, racetrack only, whatever.
2:09:23
Speaker 4: Right.
2:09:23
Speaker 3: But imagine you're an 18-year-old rock star.
2:09:25
Speaker 1: Here you go. I'll do it.
2:09:29
Speaker 3: Got one. And back then, the Corvettes like yours, especially
2:09:32
when you put a blower on it, those fucking things
2:09:34
had no traction control. They had no anti-lock brakes. There's
2:09:37
no nannies. There was nothing to protect you.
2:09:40
Speaker 1: No.
2:09:41
Speaker 3: It was just madness.
2:09:42
Speaker 1: Just pure madness.
2:09:45
Speaker 3: Did you ever take it to a track or anything?
2:09:47
Speaker 1: No, never did.
2:09:48
Speaker 3: Have you ever driven around a track? You've done that?
2:09:50
Speaker 1: Yes.
2:09:50
Speaker 3: That's fun.
2:09:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is fun. That is fun. I went to...
2:09:54
I spent some time at the Skip Barber school.
2:09:57
Speaker 3: Oh, really?
2:09:57
Speaker 1: Yeah. Of course, the Libra in me has to fucking
2:10:03
learn about everything. I have to Apex and study. Right. Like,
2:10:08
there's a lot of physical and, you know, technical things
2:10:12
about driving. Oh, yeah. If you don't understand about going
2:10:15
into a turn at fucking 100 miles an hour, you're
2:10:18
going to fucking die.
2:10:20
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
2:10:21
Speaker 1: You know, so... I was like, I don't know.
2:10:23
Speaker 3: We're definitely going to spin out. Yeah. Learning how to
2:10:26
do it was really interesting to me. It was really
2:10:28
interesting to realize, like, the lines that you take.
2:10:31
Speaker 1: Yes.
2:10:31
Speaker 3: Like, you don't just go in the middle of the
2:10:33
track all the way. No, you're hugging the outside edge,
2:10:35
then the inside edge, and cutting the lines to make
2:10:38
a quicker time.
2:10:39
Speaker 4: Yep.
2:10:39
Speaker 3: Knowing when to brake and knowing when you would accelerate.
2:10:42
And it's so interesting.
2:10:43
Speaker 1: It's a lot, man.
2:10:45
Speaker 3: Very technical.
2:10:46
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:10:46
Speaker 3: A lot more technical than anybody would ever think. You
2:10:48
think you're just kind of steering the car like, no, no, no, no.
2:10:50
There's a lot of decisions to be made. There's a
2:10:53
lot going on, especially on a really windy turn. Like,
2:10:57
That's what COTA looks like. That's the track, Circuit of
2:10:59
the Americas. And that one is like, there's so much
2:11:02
turns and there's a long straightaway. You could really fucking
2:11:05
get after it. Right?
2:11:07
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's not even about the acceleration. A lot
2:11:10
of times it's about the braking.
2:11:12
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, braking and turning.
2:11:14
Speaker 1: Dude.
2:11:14
Speaker 3: But it's like, that's one of the things that I
2:11:16
say like is really worth it about having money is
2:11:18
like experiencing a great car because it's like an amusement
2:11:22
park ride.
2:11:23
Speaker 1: Yes.
2:11:24
Speaker 3: Even when you're not even going fast. Just driving normal
2:11:27
speeds around. It's like if you're shifting your own gears
2:11:29
and you hear that engine, it's like, ah!
2:11:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
2:11:32
Speaker 3: It's like an amusement park ride. You know, it's not just,
2:11:36
you're not just driving a car.
2:11:37
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right.
2:11:37
Speaker 3: You're experiencing something that, you know, the other people aren't.
2:11:41
You're driving that stupid Ferrari piece of shit electric car.
2:11:44
You're not experiencing that.
2:11:46
Speaker 1: No.
2:11:46
Speaker 3: You know? No, no.
2:11:47
Speaker 1: You're just grooving on the emblem. Yeah.
2:11:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got you. That could have been a Hyundai easily.
2:11:54
Speaker 1: Dude, I couldn't believe it. I was like, they did
2:11:56
not do this.
2:11:57
Speaker 3: Well, I hope they rebound. I hope they smack somebody
2:12:01
who made that and go, hey, bro.
2:12:03
Speaker 1: They will. I think one of the designers was one
2:12:06
of the guys. who was involved in designing the iPhone,
2:12:10
and it fucking looks like it. No. That's why it's
2:12:13
got all the... Yes.
2:12:15
Speaker 3: No! That guy's awesome. How did he do that?
2:12:20
Speaker 1: That started to make sense. I was like, okay.
2:12:22
Speaker 3: I would ask him, before I even talked to him
2:12:24
about it, I'm like, what kind of cars do you have?
2:12:26
Do you have a car? What do you drive? And
2:12:29
if he's like, I drive an Escort. Like, fuck you.
2:12:32
Speaker 1: Okay.
2:12:32
Speaker 3: Get the fuck out of here. I have a Prius.
2:12:35
Go eat shit. Eat all the shit that's ever been shit.
2:12:39
Speaker 1: Fuck you. Out of the design room.
2:12:41
Speaker 3: You can't design a fucking Ferrari just because you made
2:12:44
an iPhone. You're going to make it look sleek and plain.
2:12:47
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:12:48
Speaker 3: No, it's got to look like art, you motherfucker. Someone's
2:12:51
paying a quarter million dollars for this thing. And now,
2:12:53
a lot more.
2:12:54
Speaker 1: I think the electric car is, I want to say, $ 300.
2:12:58
I bet they're going to sell two.
2:13:02
Speaker 4: Right.
2:13:03
Speaker 3: Two retards. Two fucking super rich retards are going to
2:13:05
buy that fucking thing.
2:13:06
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to spend $ 400, 000 on this electric thing.
2:13:12
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, the other cars they make are fucking... Yeah, I know.
2:13:15
What the fuck are you guys doing? What is the
2:13:19
latest one? What is their main one now? The sleek
2:13:25
looking one? The advanced version of the 458, like the
2:13:29
one they have now. What is it called?
2:13:31
Speaker 1: SF. What the fuck is it called?
2:13:34
Speaker 3: SF90? SF90, yeah.
2:13:35
Speaker 1: That's what it is. SF90.
2:13:37
Speaker 3: That thing's insane. That's gorgeous.
2:13:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude.
2:13:40
Speaker 3: That's a gorgeous car.
2:13:41
Speaker 1: My favorite.
2:13:42
Speaker 3: How do they go from an SF90? They're selling that
2:13:44
at the same time as they're selling the Sunka junk.
2:13:46
SF90 is one of the best looking cars ever.
2:13:49
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's incredible. Indeed.
2:13:52
Speaker 3: Pull up a picture of one of those, Jamie. I'm
2:13:53
on their website now.
2:13:55
Speaker 1: Dude, have you seen the body style? I love the LaFerrari.
2:14:00
The body style and the LaFerrari.
2:14:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. That's the one.
2:14:04
Speaker 1: Oh, dude. That's got some LaFerrari in the ass end.
2:14:07
Speaker 3: Oh, so this is like all the cars they've ever made, Jimmy.
2:14:09
Speaker 4: I'm on their website.
2:14:10
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh.
2:14:11
Speaker 3: No, I understand. This is all the cars that they
2:14:13
make and all the cars. That's gorgeous, man. That is gorgeous.
2:14:17
Speaker 1: Hit the LaFerrari. Yeah. Dude, the body.
2:14:24
Speaker 3: Look at that thing.
2:14:25
Speaker 4: Jesus.
2:14:25
Speaker 3: What is the F80? Click on the F80. Oh, my God.
2:14:30
Speaker 1: Gorgeous.
2:14:31
Speaker 3: Gorgeous. When it says all models, they don't have the.
2:14:39
What is it?
2:14:40
Speaker 1: What I was looking for.
2:14:41
Speaker 3: I was trying to find what... I went to the
2:14:42
website to find the newest car. I know, but I
2:14:45
think some of them, it's not the newest car. It
2:14:48
might have been last year or a year ago. Well,
2:14:52
they would sharing it somewhere on here, I would imagine. No,
2:14:57
it's real, Jamie. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying,
2:15:01
just Google pull up an image of Ferrari 2024 Ferrari SF90.
2:15:07
Maybe you'll see it.
2:15:11
Speaker 1: There it is. That's it. The wing?
2:15:15
Speaker 3: That's one that's like prime for racing, but you go
2:15:17
to images, please. There we go. That's it. Oh, So
2:15:23
how does a company make that? Look how gorgeous that is.
2:15:27
That's incredible. That's so beautiful.
2:15:29
Speaker 1: I know.
2:15:29
Speaker 3: How does a company make that and then that Johnny
2:15:32
Ivey piece of shit?
2:15:32
Speaker 1: Fucking thing. There's like three dudes. One dude, I guess,
2:15:38
designed the iPhone and there's two other designers involved.
2:15:42
Speaker 3: They probably work for Lamborghini. They're probably spies. They probably
2:15:46
infiltrated and decided to ruin it from the inside. Probably
2:15:49
the same guy that made Billy Squire's Music video.
2:15:52
Speaker 1: Dude, that guy has got to be stopped. Fuck that guy.
2:15:57
Speaker 3: He's like, listen to what I did for Billy Squire.
2:15:59
Speaker 1: I can do this to Ferrari.
2:16:01
Speaker 3: I can thank them.
2:16:02
Speaker 1: I took Ferrari down.
2:16:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, with one whack ass fucking electric car.
2:16:09
Speaker 1: Yes, I sold them a phone design.
2:16:12
Speaker 3: Yeah. But, you know, that's what happens. You let people,
2:16:17
you know, you don't have enough people that are smart.
2:16:20
that are artistic around that are going to look at
2:16:22
that and go, hey, hey, hey. No.
2:16:25
Speaker 1: Yeah. What's with all the yes men? There had to
2:16:28
be somebody that went, what are we doing?
2:16:30
Speaker 3: I don't know how the fuck that ever got greenlit
2:16:33
by someone at Ferrari. How do you not look at
2:16:36
all the other cars that you've made and then look
2:16:38
at that one and it goes, a perfect.
2:16:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:16:40
Speaker 3: A perfection. No, no, no, no.
2:16:42
Speaker 1: Nobody was doing that.
2:16:43
Speaker 3: I don't get it.
2:16:44
Speaker 1: No.
2:16:45
Speaker 3: But, you know, companies make blunders.
2:16:48
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:16:48
Speaker 3: You know, every now and then a band puts out
2:16:50
a shitty record.
2:16:51
Speaker 1: You know what? It happens. It happens. It happens. I
2:16:54
get it.
2:16:54
Speaker 3: I mean, Ferrari's still Ferrari. They'll bounce back. But, you know, guys.
2:16:58
Speaker 1: They can always go, hey, we're not in the electric
2:17:00
car business, okay? We fucked up.
2:17:02
Speaker 3: Well, that's what they probably should because most of the
2:17:05
other car companies that do make electric cars, people really
2:17:07
don't want them. You know, like the Porsches, the Taycans,
2:17:11
like those Audis. Like the Audi ones that are just
2:17:14
like a couple of years old, you can get them
2:17:15
for like half price. Nobody wants them.
2:17:18
Speaker 1: I know.
2:17:18
Speaker 3: Nobody wants electric cars, especially used electric cars.
2:17:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's weird.
2:17:23
Speaker 3: It is, but if you think about it, like electronics
2:17:25
we think of as disposable, right? You don't want to
2:17:29
buy someone's phone from 10 years ago.
2:17:31
Speaker 1: No, no.
2:17:31
Speaker 3: Right? So you don't want to buy a Tesla from
2:17:33
10 years ago either.
2:17:34
Speaker 1: No.
2:17:34
Speaker 3: Right? Meanwhile, they're great. There's nothing wrong with them. You
2:17:37
get a 10-year-old Tesla, it's a fucking awesome car.
2:17:39
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:17:39
Speaker 3: But you don't want it.
2:17:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:17:41
Speaker 3: People think of electronics as something you throw out and
2:17:43
get new. Yes. But engines, that's a different story.
2:17:47
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:17:47
Speaker 3: You know, like a 2005 Porsche is still very valuable.
2:17:51
People love those things.
2:17:52
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Those things have gone through the roof lately.
2:17:56
Like with the Porsches. Yeah. I just know so many
2:17:59
guys that are just like buying them up, collecting them.
2:18:02
Speaker 3: Well, I think also as things become more electric and
2:18:06
more numb.
2:18:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:18:07
Speaker 3: People like– they really love the sound of engines and
2:18:11
the feel that you get from those cars, the actual
2:18:13
experience of it.
2:18:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:18:15
Speaker 3: You know? Yeah. It's like as things get more and
2:18:18
more digital, I think with AI and music and everything,
2:18:21
people are going to want to see live performances more.
2:18:25
You know?
2:18:26
Speaker 1: No doubt. Yeah.
2:18:27
Speaker 3: I think they want that experience, the experience of like raw, live,
2:18:33
something that makes you feel alive, something.
2:18:36
Speaker 1: All about the experience, man. All about it.
2:18:41
Speaker 3: You guys are touring again.
2:18:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, coming up. Mid-July, we're out.
2:18:46
Speaker 3: How fucking pumped are you for that?
2:18:47
Speaker 1: A couple months. So pumped because I've actually, we've been home.
2:18:53
We did this big stadium tour with Def Leppard. Went
2:19:00
all around the world. That tour was, fuck, two and
2:19:04
a half years long. Like, dude, that's insane. So, and
2:19:11
I started to realize, I'm like, fuck, I can't remember
2:19:15
the last time I've been home, like, with a break. Like,
2:19:19
we intentionally were like, let's just fucking take a year
2:19:23
or more than a year off. And it wasn't until
2:19:30
2016 was the last time we had, like, taken a break.
2:19:36
taking a break. Um, so for me, um, it's just
2:19:42
been fucking wonderful. I, I, I actually enjoyed the whole
2:19:47
last summer at home and, you know, going now going
2:19:51
into summer. Now we're getting ready to go back out,
2:19:53
but just having that time at home was really fucking cool.
2:19:56
So I'm super pumped. The grass is always greener, dude.
2:20:00
Speaker 3: Right.
2:20:01
Speaker 1: You know, when you're out there fucking ripping it, you're like,
2:20:03
this is fucking red. And then after a while you're like,
2:20:06
I'd shoot my own mom in the back to sleep
2:20:09
in my fucking bed, you know?
2:20:11
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:20:12
Speaker 1: You know, and then when you're at home too long,
2:20:14
you're like, dude, I got to get out of here. Right.
2:20:18
You know, I got to go fucking go do the shit.
2:20:21
So it's, I don't know, that's a weird balance. You know,
2:20:25
you're happy until it's too much and then, you know.
2:20:29
Speaker 3: Well, it's just achieving the balance, but it's awesome that
2:20:32
you still love it so much after all these years.
2:20:35
Speaker 1: Oh, man.
2:20:36
Speaker 3: It really is.
2:20:37
Speaker 1: Dude, let me just tell you. There's nothing better than... Imagine...
2:20:44
Let's trade places for a second. You're back there. You're
2:20:47
playing drums, and you've been doing this for a while.
2:20:51
Long enough to see this is the fucking best in
2:20:54
the world. You see your fans... All of a sudden,
2:20:58
your fans have had children. Now their children are on
2:21:02
the shoulders of their fucking parents, who were your fans.
2:21:09
Now they're bringing their kids to the show, and their
2:21:13
fucking kids are on their dad's shoulder going, shout, shout,
2:21:17
with the fucking devil horns up. And you're like, you're
2:21:21
sitting there going like, dude, that kid... what is he
2:21:27
fucking 10?
2:21:30
Speaker 3: And he's just fucking, you know, and just air drumming.
2:21:33
Speaker 1: Yeah. Just to see that you're, you've, you've sort of,
2:21:37
you know, you've, I don't know, just you've done a
2:21:40
full circle to where now it's the whole nother generation.
2:21:44
That's just now seeing this for the first time and
2:21:48
they're fucking, and you, and you're sitting back there playing
2:21:51
going like, That's pretty fucking incredible.
2:21:53
Speaker 3: It's pretty fucking incredible.
2:21:55
Speaker 1: That doesn't get old, man. To watch that happen is
2:22:00
probably why the, become the reason why I love it
2:22:04
so much. That really like puts a fucking nail in it.
2:22:06
You know what I mean? Fuck yeah. That's like, and
2:22:09
that can only be achieved through time. Yeah. Right? So
2:22:14
that's nothing I've ever experienced until recently. In the last
2:22:18
few years, you look out and you see A whole
2:22:22
bunch of kids, man. And they're all just checking it
2:22:25
out for the first time maybe. Wow. For sure, some
2:22:28
of them. Right? And you're like, dude, fuck, this is wild. Wild.
2:22:35
Speaker 3: That's awesome, man.
2:22:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's beautiful.
2:22:36
Speaker 3: Brother, you've had an amazing life. It's been an amazing
2:22:39
ride and I'm so happy that you're enjoying it so much.
2:22:42
Speaker 1: Thanks, brother. Thank you, man.
2:22:43
Speaker 3: And thank you for being here, man. It was really cool.
2:22:45
Speaker 1: Dude.
2:22:45
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it.
2:22:46
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, man.
2:22:47
Speaker 3: My pleasure.
2:22:48
Speaker 1: My pleasure. I've been wanting to come by and see
2:22:50
you and Come hang out and talk shit.
2:22:53
Speaker 3: I'm glad we did it.
2:22:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:22:54
Speaker 3: I'm glad we did it.
2:22:55
Speaker 1: All right.
2:22:55
Speaker 3: Thank you.
2:22:56
Speaker 1: I love you, bro. I love you too, brother.
2:22:57
Speaker 4: Bye.
2:22:57
Speaker 1: Bye.