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OF VIRTUE: Burning Down The Altar With TYLER ENNIS And DAMON TATE · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: I am Tyler. I play in the band called Overture,
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  Speaker 1: and I am the vocalist.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Damon. I sing and I play guitar
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  Speaker 2: in Overture. Fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Gentlemen, thanks for joining us today. Thank you for having us.
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  Speaker 2: My pleasure.
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  Speaker 3: So the reason we're here chatting is because Overture dropped
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  Speaker 3: your new album, Death of the Ultra, on October the 30th.
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  Speaker 4: So how do you feel about it?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, dude, I feel fantastic.
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  Speaker 5: Like.
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  Speaker 6: Again, this was, it feels like it's a long time coming.
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  Speaker 6: It usually feels like that with every album, but this
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  Speaker 6: one in particular, it was a little more challenging to
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  Speaker 6: get it done, finally get it across the finish line.
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  Speaker 2: But when we did, it was great.
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  Speaker 6: We were in London on the second when the album
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  Speaker 6: came out, which is rare for us, which was awesome.
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  Speaker 6: Got a chance to celebrate with a lot of friends,
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  Speaker 6: play a soup, like probably our biggest show that we've
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  Speaker 6: ever played in London at the time, and then be
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  Speaker 6: able to go out on the rest of the tour and,
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  Speaker 6: you know, play a bunch of songs off of that,
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  Speaker 6: see people's reactions in real time.
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  Speaker 2: It's, it's an awesome feeling. Not bad.
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  Speaker 3: Can you, can you dive into the album a bit
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  Speaker 3: more deeply from a musical point of view and what.
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  Speaker 2: You were going for this time around? Ooh, Ty, I'll
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  Speaker 2: let you take the, take the wheel on that one.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So, um, man, every single time that we have gone from,
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  Speaker 5: you know, one album to the next. Obviously there's a
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  Speaker 5: lot of, you know, there's a lot of thinking involved.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot of just being able to get in
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  Speaker 5: a room, talk about what worked on the last album,
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  Speaker 5: what didn't work. And for us this time, it was
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  Speaker 5: just something that we really wanted to go a little
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  Speaker 5: bit more deep in, in, in the sense that we
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  Speaker 5: wanted to talk about the things that we have already
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  Speaker 5: talked about, like maybe, you know, experience wise. Right.
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  Speaker 1: But we wanted to be more, uh, like, like actually
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  Speaker 1: have a.
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  Speaker 5: Theme because, uh, Omen actually didn't really start as an album.
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  Speaker 5: Omen was just a batch of songs, uh, that, uh,
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  Speaker 5: we originally were just going to release a singles and
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  Speaker 5: then we thought about it and we're like, you know what,
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  Speaker 5: we need to do an album. So obviously like we,
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  Speaker 5: we had to finish an album. So there was, there
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  Speaker 5: was a lot of different moving parts with that. Whereas
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  Speaker 5: this one was the first time that we have all
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  Speaker 5: been in a room together. Uh, when we wrote an album,
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  Speaker 5: obviously different multiple sessions, but, um, the, uh, the bulk
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  Speaker 5: of the songs that were written, um, with both of
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  Speaker 5: our producers at the same time, uh, we were, we
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  Speaker 5: just had gotten back from Europe. Uh, and then we,
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  Speaker 5: we had a, uh, you know, we did a festival, um,
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  Speaker 5: did welcome to Rockville and then basically came back and
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  Speaker 5: then just, tried to finish the record so for us
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  Speaker 5: being able to write something that is a lot more
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  Speaker 5: personal um it involves a lot more um emotions because
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  Speaker 5: uh you know there's a couple songs which i'm sure
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  Speaker 5: damon will get into it as well but there's you
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  Speaker 5: know some very personal songs for him on this record
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  Speaker 5: uh there's some personal songs on this record for me
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  Speaker 5: uh just you know my experiences and the things i've
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  Speaker 5: gone through in the last couple years and just being
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  Speaker 5: able to write uh i think is our best to date,
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  Speaker 5: but like the most emotionally heavy, uh, album that we
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  Speaker 5: have written, uh, because we all talked about it. You know,
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  Speaker 5: it was something that we were like, we really need
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  Speaker 5: to write. We, we need to get these things off
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  Speaker 5: of our chest. And I think we, we did a
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  Speaker 5: very good job of that. Uh, this time around, uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, like there was great things that worked with
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  Speaker 5: Omen that we wanted to, um, capitalize on for this record.
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  Speaker 1: And I really feel like we did that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, very cool, man, very cool.
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  Speaker 3: You've released the singles The Art of Love, What's It
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  Speaker 3: Like to Be Happy, The End, Flatline, Too Late, and
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  Speaker 3: the title track. Would you say that overall they're a
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  Speaker 3: good sonic reflection of what to expect from the whole album?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 6: Kind of what Tyler was talking about with Omens, we
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  Speaker 6: kind of, I don't want to say we didn't know
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  Speaker 6: what we were doing coming into it, but it was like,
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  Speaker 6: just given where everything was at in the world at
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  Speaker 6: the time, we just got off our old label. We
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  Speaker 6: kind of didn't necessarily know if we were still going
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  Speaker 6: to be a band. So at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 6: we were just like, you know what? Let's just experiment.
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  Speaker 6: Let's write a lot of different kinds of songs. Let's
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  Speaker 6: try things that we haven't tried before. And there was
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  Speaker 6: a lot of success in that process. I think with
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  Speaker 6: Alter and all the songs that you just listed, it's
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  Speaker 6: like there was very much like an intentional purpose for
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  Speaker 6: each one where it's like, hey, we liked what we
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  Speaker 6: did with this one.
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  Speaker 2: We liked what we did with this song. We liked
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  Speaker 2: what we did with this.
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  Speaker 6: And sometimes, obviously, you learn from, you know, maybe we
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  Speaker 6: could have fleshed this one out a little bit different
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  Speaker 6: or we didn't go as far as we'd like to
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  Speaker 6: with this other one. So going back through kind of
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  Speaker 6: what worked on Omen, we just tried to turn it
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  Speaker 6: up a notch on Altar. So, you know, if we
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  Speaker 6: wanted a catchy chorus, we wanted the whole song like
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  Speaker 6: you're just, you know, bopping your head back and forth
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  Speaker 6: the entire time. If it wanted to be heavy, We
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  Speaker 6: tried to push the heaviness as much as we could
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  Speaker 6: while maintaining, you know, what we still like to do
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  Speaker 6: with everything else. So we learned a lot through Omen
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  Speaker 6: and it translated through all the songs on Altar where
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  Speaker 6: for me, this album feels much more concise, more cohesive.
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  Speaker 6: And when you get a chance to listen to it
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  Speaker 6: all the way through, it's like you will get the differences.
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  Speaker 6: You get the dynamic. You get all of the different
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  Speaker 6: elements that make up our band. but it also feels
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  Speaker 6: like one coherent idea instead of kind of what we
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  Speaker 6: were saying before, like, you know, a different single or,
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  Speaker 6: you know, batching it in different pieces.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, nice.
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  Speaker 3: Now, thematically, Death of the Order explores the painful realization
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  Speaker 3: that the things we cherish most can also become the
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  Speaker 3: things that hurt the deepest, right?
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty heavy subject matter, guys.
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  Speaker 3: Can you take us a bit deeper into it?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. I mean, oh, go ahead, Tyler.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, you're good. You're good.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, no, all I was going to say, so the
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  Speaker 6: title and kind of some of the themes, they didn't
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  Speaker 6: come along originally, like in the beginning. Again, we're working
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  Speaker 6: through some ideas, we're working through themes. And we just
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  Speaker 6: kind of started noticing that everybody, all of us were
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  Speaker 6: in this transitional phase or period in our lives where
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  Speaker 6: certain things were bothering us or we were, you know,
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  Speaker 6: we're at a crossroads where, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, decisions have to be made.
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  Speaker 6: You know, when it comes to what you were talking
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  Speaker 6: about of the theme of the record of like putting
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  Speaker 6: things on a pedestal or putting energy into things, idolizing things,
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  Speaker 6: worshiping things, or just, you know, not getting what you
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  Speaker 6: need in return from these things. It could be as
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  Speaker 6: simple as, you know, a relationship with, a loved one,
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  Speaker 6: you know, an intimate partner, it could be, you know,
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  Speaker 6: being going down the wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Path in life.
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  Speaker 6: Like you feel stuck, you feel like, Oh, I'm moving
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  Speaker 6: in one way and I'm not sure how to change
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  Speaker 6: that or go the other way, but I'm just going
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  Speaker 6: to keep moving because at least if I keep moving,
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  Speaker 6: it's something.
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  Speaker 2: And that is not always the remedy.
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  Speaker 6: When it comes to a bigger social sense and that
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  Speaker 6: we touch on a lot of this stuff too, with
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  Speaker 6: the record, it's, You know, we as a society, you
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  Speaker 6: look at the things that people love. You look at
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  Speaker 6: social media and it's clicks, it's streams, it's algorithms, it's numbers.
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  Speaker 6: It reduces artists. It reduces people to just these figures. And,
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  Speaker 6: you know, people make music. People make commerce. People do
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  Speaker 6: things only based on numbers and not actually dealing with
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  Speaker 6: tangible reality anymore. when people feel bad about themselves or
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  Speaker 6: they are going about their day and you look online
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  Speaker 6: and you're like, Oh.
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  Speaker 2: This person's happy. This person's happy. This person's happy.
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  Speaker 6: And you forget that those people are, it's like the,
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  Speaker 6: it's like the glacier theory. You're only posting, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 6: the 0.0001% of your life that you think is going
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  Speaker 6: the best.
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  Speaker 2: When in reality, people can't see it. Maybe that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're three months.
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  Speaker 6: Behind on your car payment or, you know, you just
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  Speaker 6: had a kid and he won't stop crying and you
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  Speaker 6: can't get any sleep, but you can't let the, any
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  Speaker 6: of the world see that because, you know, you feel
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  Speaker 6: like you're isolated or by yourself. And we all buy
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  Speaker 6: into it at some point in time. We're all guilty
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  Speaker 6: of it. So going through a lot of these conversations
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  Speaker 6: and just where we were at, you could start to
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  Speaker 6: see a through line with all the songs that we
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  Speaker 6: were putting out. And it all fit into this like, hey,
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  Speaker 6: you know, where Omen was a little more of like
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  Speaker 6: a you know, a character had, you know, succumbed to
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  Speaker 6: their own personal addictions and demons.
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  Speaker 2: And it goes through that journey.
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  Speaker 6: This kind of takes that theme, but also puts it
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  Speaker 6: into a more macro sense and involves everybody, not just
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  Speaker 6: one person. This is us realizing like, you know, we've
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  Speaker 6: been fortunate enough to be able to travel to many
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  Speaker 6: different places across the world. meet so many different kinds
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  Speaker 6: of people you know we sing songs that people sing
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  Speaker 6: back to us and we are also still fans of
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  Speaker 6: music to where we go see our favorite artists from
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  Speaker 6: all different points the one through line with that is
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  Speaker 6: that we're all interconnected and a lot of our problems
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  Speaker 6: are all very similar in some ways and that for
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  Speaker 6: us was like one of the things where it was
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  Speaker 6: like hey When defining the concept, when defining what this
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  Speaker 6: record was going to be about, it actually kind of
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  Speaker 6: came into full force with the actual title of the track,
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  Speaker 6: because we were all sitting there, you know, we're coming
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  Speaker 6: up with hooks we're coming up with things and Tyler
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  Speaker 6: had a little cadence that wound up including Death of
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  Speaker 6: the Altar in there it was a little bit worded
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  Speaker 6: differently but it struck a chord with everybody and it's
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  Speaker 6: like hey you know what that's what this kind of
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  Speaker 6: feels like it feels like you know whatever this chapter
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  Speaker 6: is for our band whatever this is going to be
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  Speaker 6: this is the last time that we're going to be
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  Speaker 6: here You know, we're not a band that revisits things
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  Speaker 6: very often. And I believe this album is no different.
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  Speaker 6: And it's for us, again, it's a big turning point.
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  Speaker 6: It's a big shift. It's a big turning the page.
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  Speaker 6: There's a lot of things that have happened in everybody's lives.
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  Speaker 6: So that's kind of at least my take on where
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  Speaker 6: this record, the impetus came from, our thought process behind it,
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  Speaker 6: and kind of how we got through, you know, making it.
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  Speaker 3: Well said, brother.
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  Speaker 2: Very well said.
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  Speaker 3: Charlie, do you have anything to add, or does that
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  Speaker 3: sum it up?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'll just add... It pretty much sums
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  Speaker 1: it up, but I'll just add that the whole.
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  Speaker 5: Process last year especially um you know in may i
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  Speaker 5: had just gone through a breakup and that's kind of
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  Speaker 5: where my head was at i was going through so
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  Speaker 5: many changes so my head was in this i just
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  Speaker 5: want to talk about the like where my head's i
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  Speaker 5: want to talk about you know the things that i'm
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  Speaker 5: going through and um i was like man i don't
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  Speaker 5: think love's for me anymore I don't I don't think
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  Speaker 5: it's there. So that's kind of where the the idea
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  Speaker 5: of death of the altar, because obviously, you know, at
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  Speaker 5: an altar, you get married.
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  Speaker 1: So but it may it can mean a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: of other things.
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  Speaker 5: And Damon summed it up pretty perfectly. But just to
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  Speaker 5: give an insight of like where my head was at
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  Speaker 5: when we were writing the record, that's kind of where
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  Speaker 5: it came to be.
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  Speaker 1: And that's we're like, yeah, we we want to.
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  Speaker 5: Stop uh, worshiping the things and putting time and energy
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  Speaker 5: into things that, you know, and are like basically not
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  Speaker 5: getting that same love and same energy and effort back.
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  Speaker 1: So that's pretty much the, the whole premise of the album.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So would you say overall, it's an album of hope
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  Speaker 3: or an album of despair?
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  Speaker 1: Ooh, um, neither.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, I would say that.
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  Speaker 6: Hope is an interesting term for me because yes, We
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  Speaker 6: are a band that we do like to show people like, hey,
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  Speaker 6: there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
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  Speaker 6: You can get to the other side. But I think
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  Speaker 6: this album, in a lot of ways, is not that.
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  Speaker 6: This is distilling what we were feeling like in real time.
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  Speaker 6: And in real time, there's not always hope. There are
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  Speaker 6: moments in our lives where you don't feel that. And
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  Speaker 6: we do have music. We do have music that reflects that.
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  Speaker 6: we have songs that reflect that whole records that reflect
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  Speaker 6: that alter to us. Is that kind of like, Hey,
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  Speaker 6: you need to kind of soak in the fact that
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  Speaker 6: this is happening.
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  Speaker 2: And one of two things is going to happen.
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  Speaker 6: You're going to let it beat you or you're going
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  Speaker 6: to overcome it at some point, how you get there
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  Speaker 6: is going to be your own story.
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  Speaker 2: But in this case, I don't think it's sad.
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  Speaker 6: Like people will interpret it and interpret various songs in
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  Speaker 6: different ways.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. There are themes.
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  Speaker 6: Sadness or despair or melancholy there are some also some
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  Speaker 6: tongue-in-cheek there's some nihilism there are there's some kind of
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  Speaker 6: more funny moments there's some very angsty kind of argumentative
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  Speaker 6: things but overall there's not one thing it's it's we
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  Speaker 6: wanted to really capture how we all felt in real
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  Speaker 6: time and sometimes you're going to be happy like so
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  Speaker 6: what's it like to be happy is a perfect example
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  Speaker 6: of this that song really is from the point of
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  Speaker 6: view of someone who's having a terrible day that if
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  Speaker 6: you're having a terrible day, sometimes when you see other
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  Speaker 6: people having a good day, it makes you angry. It
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  Speaker 6: makes you pissed off because you're like, how come I
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  Speaker 6: can't have that? I want this other person or these
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  Speaker 6: people to feel like a, how I feel. But the
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  Speaker 6: funny part about it is the backdrop of the song
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  Speaker 6: is a little bit more bouncy. It's a little more happy.
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  Speaker 6: People sing along with it, but that's also kind of the,
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  Speaker 6: the interplay here is because there is then an old
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  Speaker 6: adage for a reason.
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  Speaker 2: It's called misery loves company.
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  Speaker 6: It's, you know, we are united sometimes in the fact
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  Speaker 6: that we are suffering, but we don't know how to
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  Speaker 6: articulate it.
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  Speaker 2: And the only way that we can really.
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  Speaker 6: Kind of get through it is by, in some ways,
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  Speaker 6: kind of suffering in silence with one another without realizing
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  Speaker 6: what each other is going through. So there's a lot
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  Speaker 6: of themes going on, man. But we wanted everything to
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  Speaker 6: feel like we felt in real time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys are both vocalists, so
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  Speaker 3: I'm assuming that you're both right as well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I sort of always want to.
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  Speaker 3: Be like an album like this has got so much
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  Speaker 3: personal stuff on it. Like no two people ever agree
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  Speaker 3: on personal stuff. So when it comes to writing a
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  Speaker 3: song together, is it difficult when you don't agree a
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent on things, if that makes sense?
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  Speaker 1: Um, no, no, honestly, not at all.
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  Speaker 5: Like that's, that's one of the things that I have
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  Speaker 5: really loved about, um, you know, our band is we are, um, Like, sure,
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  Speaker 5: there are moments where, you know, you can have like, well, oh,
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  Speaker 5: where is this going? Oh, well, how do I fit
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  Speaker 5: into this song? Or how do I fit into this
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  Speaker 5: theme and everything? But, you know, there's a couple personal
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  Speaker 5: songs directly for Damon, you know, on this record.
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  Speaker 1: And it's one of those things where it's like, he
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  Speaker 1: has an idea. He brings it to the table and
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  Speaker 1: he presents it. And it's like, this is, this is
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  Speaker 1: what it is.
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  Speaker 5: And the beauty in that is it's like, it's kind
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  Speaker 5: of like a look into, you know, his, his feelings,
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  Speaker 5: his experiences, instead of like, you know, me trying to put,
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  Speaker 5: like trying to fit into the song just because. So,
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  Speaker 5: you know, devotion is a, is a perfect example with that.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, there were, Damon had to go out, and
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  Speaker 1: do something.
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  Speaker 5: Um, so we were sitting there trying to figure out
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  Speaker 5: where I was going to fit into the song and we,
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  Speaker 5: it just didn't make sense. You know, it didn't make sense.
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  Speaker 5: And then we sat there and we're like, no, like,
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  Speaker 5: you know what, this is going to be all Damon.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, it's, it's done by design, but it's also,
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  Speaker 5: I think it's a really great thing for our band
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  Speaker 5: at the fact that he has his strengths and I
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: have mine.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: However, we both push each other.
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: We both, you know, compliment each other very well, especially
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: with my screams, his singing, and then like his soft
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: and sultry parts. And then he's also got, you know,
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: he's got a very powerful voice as well.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: So being able to utilize that with both.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: Of us is a really cool thing too. And it's
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: just like being able to have that, you know, work,
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: like like we just work very well together we always
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: have i don't think we've ever really butted heads when
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: it's come to music because it's like when he has
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: an idea i i it's kind of one of those
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: things i'm like hey it might not make sense to
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: me but i'm gonna roll with it because it always
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: ends up making sense if uh i know this is
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: a lot of making sense but if that makes sense
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: um You know, it is one of those things where
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: I think we both challenge each other and compliment each
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: other very well at the same time that we don't
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: really have to disagree or agree on things.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: We kind of let our voices speak that on the songs,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's very cool.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Diamond? Yeah.
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: Again, it's we, again, he kind of already said it's
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: like we're fortunate enough to want the best for both
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: of us, for everybody, honestly. Because there's even stories on
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: this record where it's not just us two. We want
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: Ryan and we want Mike represented as well. And as
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: long as, again, the messaging of the band stays the same,
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: then it doesn't matter who the lyrical side comes from.
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: It doesn't matter what the subject matter comes from because
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: there's four people with four different backgrounds And at the
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: end of the day, this is our story as a
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: collective to tell. And it's not always going to come
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: from just one perspective. So from that vantage, it's like
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: as long as we can, you know, again, like you said,
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: we can agree to disagree on maybe sometimes how to
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: get to a certain place or, you know, certain lines
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: on a topic or maybe this thing works better here.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: But if anybody comes to the table with something that
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: they truly believe in.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: Then you
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: just kind of roll with it. Cause like he said,
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: like devotion was like that for me. Uh, there's another
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: song on the record called enemy state where again, um,
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: it was written very quickly. Uh, Tyler wrote the lyrics
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: on the way to the rehearsal space. And when we
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: got there, we, we laid down the scratch and, And
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: really just kind of edited a few things. But largely,
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: none of us really had anything to do with it.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: He just knew what he wanted to say.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: And all we did was give him our tools to
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: help him clean it up a little bit and really
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: make it, you know, drive home.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: As much as we possibly could. So, you know, that's
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the best part. Again, no ego.
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: Just we put our we try to put the the
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: collective conscience forward before any of us.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah nice yeah you touched on this before but the
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: album cover like you got someone kneeling over with candle
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: burning candles stuck into their back right i love it
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: man like it it's twisted but it's from a brilliant
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: mind i reckon like where did where did that come from.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: That was our artist his name is kevin moore His
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: handle is mind reader or his old handle is.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Called soft surrogate. But, you know, we sent him some songs.
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: We sent him our thoughts and ideas of what the
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: record had was going to go, how the direction we
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: wanted to go. And he this was one of the
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: very first ideas he sent us back. He's like, you know,
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: I have somebody that I can film this with. You know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: I want the candles. Obviously, it's like representing it's like
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: any like an elegy.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: It's a funeral.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: It's like you see somebody praying like they're in a
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: church to something, but you also see that their hands
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: are bound because, again, they're afflicted with something, something that's happening. And,
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: you know, it's a powerful image because we're all like
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: that to a degree with something. And letting the human essence...
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: be the thing that you're going to gravitate to, especially
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: when you see the skin, when you see somebody's red skin,
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: like this dude almost got burns when he, when they
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: were doing this photo shoot, but, but that's, that's regular.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: That's everyday life though. It's like, how many times do
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: we make a choice, make a decision that almost winds
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: up costing us more than what we thought it was
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: going to. And to us, like when we saw it
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: fully recognized and realized it's like that image is so cathartic.
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: I was like, That's it. And he knocked it out
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: of the park completely. He's a fantastic artist. So again, Kevin,
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: appreciate you so very much.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Kevin Moore, mind reader. Go check him out. Hire him
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: if you can, please. Awesome.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Now, before I let you go, guys, I've got a
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: new segment I've started. Do you remember the very first
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: song that you sung in the shower as a kid?
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: And do you still like that song today?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Yes. The very first song that I sang....
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: Or would sing is the Bee Gees, Stayin' Alive. And
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: that song rips. That bass line, the guitar line are
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: so hard. And it's like, yeah, I still, I love disco.
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: I love that era of music, so.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, cool.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: John?
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I would say it would be Jingle Bells.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: Cool. And I'm not kidding. Like I have a video
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: of me saying jingle bells.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: And, you know, I.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: Have a video of me singing jingle bells and on
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: home video and it's like really embarrassing. because it's not
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: even the same lyrics.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Well, thanks very much for your time. It's been a
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: pleasure chatting. Death of the Ultra is out October 30
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: and she has a damn fine album, guys.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: So best of luck with it and see you next
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: time you come out to Australia.