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  Speaker 1: this episode of disguise coverage, pretty straightforward Buffalo Bill's Chicago
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  Speaker 1: Bears Week one, twenty twenty four preseason, The Buffalo Bills
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  Speaker 1: lose in a disappointing and somewhat ugly fashion to the
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  Speaker 1: Bears thirty three to six. I'm joined by mister Kendall Mursky.
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  Speaker 1: Kendall joined me for the preview episode of this preseason game.
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  Speaker 1: Earlier in the week, we talked about what to watch for,
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  Speaker 1: who to watch for, the whys behind it all, so
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  Speaker 1: it only felt fitting that we would ride together again
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  Speaker 1: for this episode. And Kendall, like I mentioned, like we
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  Speaker 1: talked about offline before we went live, a bit of
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  Speaker 1: an ugly loss, not the Again, it's preseason, so you
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  Speaker 1: kind of take it with a grain of salt to
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  Speaker 1: a degree. But yeah, not a great game from the Bills.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to dive into all phases of the game,
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  Speaker 1: some individual standouts, highlights overall, just again the details that
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  Speaker 1: need to be gleaned from this game. But Kendall, as
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  Speaker 1: we always do on the show, high level before we start,
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  Speaker 1: where's your head at from coming out of this game?
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  Speaker 1: Is it something team based? Is it a specific player.
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  Speaker 1: Is it a specific side of the ball, something niche,
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  Speaker 1: is it something large scale? You know, where are you
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  Speaker 1: right now? Coming off again this Bill's Week one preseason
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  Speaker 1: loss to the Bears thirty three to six.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like my immediate take away from the game,
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  Speaker 5: and it kind of happened pretty early on, was it
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  Speaker 5: felt like the Bills weren't used to the level of
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  Speaker 5: competition that it takes when you're just full pads, fully physical,
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  Speaker 5: and full s end. And I feel like that's just
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  Speaker 5: kind of part of the new NFL with how practice
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  Speaker 5: restrictions are, with how many practices you can have full
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  Speaker 5: pads during training camp and stuff like that. So not
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  Speaker 5: saying it's like a specific knock to the coaching staff
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  Speaker 5: or the players for not being ready or anything like that,
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  Speaker 5: just kind of, you know, week one of the preseason, like, oh, right,
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  Speaker 5: this is what it's like to practice against people that
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  Speaker 5: aren't on your team and are fully padded and fighting
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  Speaker 5: for their jobs. Like it's not to say that that's
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  Speaker 5: not happening at training camp when they're fully padded, but
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's just.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit more competitive.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it just felt like in the trenches there was
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  Speaker 5: a level of physicality that we didn't I feel like
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  Speaker 5: we were kind of more accustomed to in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: three with the Bills, Like we saw a more physical team,
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  Speaker 5: and I thought we would see that kind of continue
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  Speaker 5: into twenty twenty four. And it's just the preseason. So
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  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna sit here and say they took a
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  Speaker 5: step back, but that was kind of my primary, like
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  Speaker 5: broad takeaway from the game. It feels like somewhat of
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  Speaker 5: a wake up call for the Bills to be like, right,
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  Speaker 5: this is the level of physicality that we have to
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  Speaker 5: play with because running the football getting ran on, like
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  Speaker 5: there was just a level of physicality and toughness that
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  Speaker 5: wasn't there from the trenches.
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  Speaker 1: Sort of to piggyback off that. My follow up question
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  Speaker 1: to you then is again, like you said, you you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of a wake up call. You adjust, you go
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  Speaker 1: from there. Is it concerning that they show up like
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  Speaker 1: this in a preseason game to you? Is it not?
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  Speaker 1: Is it something like, hey, it's no big deal. Would
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  Speaker 1: it be worse to you if it happened at some
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  Speaker 1: other point in the preseason or it doesn't hold a
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  Speaker 1: little water because it is the preseason, Like, is there
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  Speaker 1: how much severity, I guess, or gravity is you know,
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  Speaker 1: is there with that kind of statement or that kind
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  Speaker 1: of feeling for you high level coming off this game.
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  Speaker 5: I think the best way to put it is it
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  Speaker 5: like kind of turns on the light bulb or like
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  Speaker 5: the alarm bell, but it can very easily be shut
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  Speaker 5: off in preseason week two, like it's the start of
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  Speaker 5: a trend, but a trend only actually happens if it
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  Speaker 5: happens more than once, So I'm not really gonna put
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  Speaker 5: too much into this until we see it turn into
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  Speaker 5: a pattern or a trend. Fear.
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  Speaker 1: That's very fair. That's very fair. A lot of people
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  Speaker 1: in the chat already. I know it's preseason, but that
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  Speaker 1: was ugly Titan coming in with executionise and then an
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  Speaker 1: expletive horrid game. Uh oh, this one, anyone else thinks
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  Speaker 1: Bill's other preseason Bill's defense reminds you of Leslie Fraser scheme.
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  Speaker 1: Part of it is the vanilla base that you play
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  Speaker 1: with the pre season, which we'll talk about another one.
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  Speaker 1: I feel bad for the people who went to this game.
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  Speaker 1: That was ugly, Roy saying only a couple of drives
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  Speaker 1: with the starting O line look looked underwhelming. Tim saying
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  Speaker 1: felt like Chicago was a step ahead today. Was the
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  Speaker 1: difference Chicago having extra preseason game. That's a fair comment.
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  Speaker 1: Is well, kind of Chicago having a game to kind
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  Speaker 1: of work things out a little bit, maybe kind of
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  Speaker 1: getting the kinks out a little bit. Charles saying you
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  Speaker 1: just don't turn into a first down, run the ball
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  Speaker 1: for two yards. Team Ron saying Bass and Martin are
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  Speaker 1: way overpaid. They're both shaky as hell. Another comment, James
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  Speaker 1: Cook and he tackle behind the line the first four
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  Speaker 1: runs was not a good sign. Jos was saying. Was
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  Speaker 1: the O line bad on all teams?
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  Speaker 3: Or was it just me?
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  Speaker 1: Let's use that the kind of transition into the full
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  Speaker 1: postgame edition of this show, Kendall will start on the
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  Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. Should we start with the
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  Speaker 1: old line? Should we start with some skill piss?
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  Speaker 5: I just feel like we might as well start with
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  Speaker 5: the old line just for continuity, just because we were
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  Speaker 5: already there, we might as well keep it going.
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  Speaker 1: That's fair. A lot of comments in the comments about
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line, Kendall, This was kind of an aspect
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  Speaker 1: we talked about really like the last several years and
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  Speaker 1: then going into this season a little bit going into
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  Speaker 1: this game in terms of like what the Bills run
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  Speaker 1: game can mean for them. Don't want to just take
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line conversation and solely put it from a
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  Speaker 1: run game perspective. But you know, we talked about the
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  Speaker 1: importance of the run game to this offense and how
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  Speaker 1: much of strength it was for this team last year.
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  Speaker 1: Not so much today. I thought pass pro largely was
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  Speaker 1: fine for the first and second team. Third team got
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  Speaker 1: a little ugly at the end, especially in that fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 1: But as we're sitting here kind of looking at the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line holistically, what did you think overall pass pro
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  Speaker 1: run game aspect for the starters? The depth guys, where
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  Speaker 1: are you on this offensive line coming out of this game?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, like I said before, on the high level,
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  Speaker 5: like I'm I'm generally worried about the push from the
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  Speaker 5: front in the run game. I think that's kind of
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  Speaker 5: where my primary concern lies. Pass pro is always a
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  Speaker 5: little interesting, especially with Josh Allen, because so much of
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  Speaker 5: their game is predicated on scramble drill. Anyways, and honestly,
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  Speaker 5: she saw Shane Buchell try to try.
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  Speaker 1: To do Josh Allen. Yeah, it's like to do his best.
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  Speaker 3: Josh Allen, I mean pass pro.
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  Speaker 5: We also just didn't even get a lot of sample
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  Speaker 5: size with the starters either for passing. So for me
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  Speaker 5: right now, like I'm just concerned about where we're going
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  Speaker 5: to get that push in tenacity and in the run
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  Speaker 5: game and really create some yards before contact for our
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  Speaker 5: ball carriers because there were there was just far too
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  Speaker 5: many runs where James Cook was first touched in the
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  Speaker 5: backfield or first touched at one yards from the line
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  Speaker 5: of scrimmage, whatever it was. That's I think my primary concern,
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  Speaker 5: But like I said, isn't really a big concern for
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  Speaker 5: me until it becomes a trend and then in terms
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  Speaker 5: of pass protection, yeah, I just need to see more
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  Speaker 5: reps from the starters.
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  Speaker 3: There weren't a lot of passing reps for the starters.
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  Speaker 1: I think you mentioned it, and several people in the
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  Speaker 1: comments mentioned it. Several people on Twitter mentioned it and
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  Speaker 1: comments to some of my tweets. The lack of push
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  Speaker 1: and just displacement was disappointing. I think with the starters,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you saw it kind of right out of
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  Speaker 1: the gate. That first series is a three and out.
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  Speaker 1: You get two run plays, and the two run plays
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  Speaker 1: there's this very minimal push. It looked like they ran dart,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so tackle rap on that first play, Brown
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  Speaker 1: kind of gets met in the hole. There's nothing Brown
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  Speaker 1: as high in uh in terms of like leverage, not
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  Speaker 1: high in terms of like intoxic kid. Uh, just kind
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  Speaker 1: of comes into the hole high look like and again,
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  Speaker 1: So I also want to say this, with offensive line play,
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  Speaker 1: much like secondary play, the All twenty two fleshes out
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  Speaker 1: so much. So I do want to kind of take
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  Speaker 1: this conversation or the assessment coming off the broadcast in
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  Speaker 1: the game with a bit of a grain as salt
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  Speaker 1: from the old line. But yeah, just the lack of
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  Speaker 1: push and displacement. I thought the third team offensive line
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  Speaker 1: started to get it working a little bit in that
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  Speaker 1: second half. We saw a couple of nice pin and
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  Speaker 1: poll runs where Darrynton Evans got some good chunk yardage.
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  Speaker 1: We saw a nice run for Ray Davis in the
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  Speaker 1: second half that was called back due to holding. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's for a group that really was good last year
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  Speaker 1: with just from a non the ground perspective, zone runs,
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  Speaker 1: gap scheme runs. They were good in both. It was
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  Speaker 1: part of the reason why they're such a good O
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  Speaker 1: line last year, especially you know, putting that in conjunction
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  Speaker 1: with their pass protection. But yeah, it was it was
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  Speaker 1: a performance in the run game that right from the
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  Speaker 1: get go, the Bills just were not creating that displacement
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  Speaker 1: that we'd seen last year. They were one of the
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  Speaker 1: leaders in you know, yards before contact for their running
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  Speaker 1: backs last year adjusted lineyards, which is a stat that
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  Speaker 1: measures how much responsibility is placed on the offensive line
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  Speaker 1: for you know, positive games versus you know, putting that
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  Speaker 1: onus onund of the running back. So they were top
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  Speaker 1: of the league, near top of the league and adjusted
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  Speaker 1: line yards last year meeting. The offensive line was doing
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the heavy lifting and this was such
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  Speaker 1: a strong aspect of the of their team. And again
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  Speaker 1: it's one game. Maybe the Bears were dialed in a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more. They had one preseason game already, Maybe
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  Speaker 1: you're just kind of working out the kinks a little
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  Speaker 1: bit in terms of getting ready. But yeah, that was
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  Speaker 1: my initial takeaway with the run game in general, but
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  Speaker 1: especially with the first and second teams, the lack of displacement,
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  Speaker 1: the lack of push, and then also on certain reps,
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  Speaker 1: they were not only not getting pushed, but they were
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  Speaker 1: giving up penetration guys slicing inside. And it wasn't like
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  Speaker 1: stunts or anything crazy. It's just like, you know, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a tackle and my man is lined up across
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  Speaker 1: me and he just beats me inside. I think that
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  Speaker 1: happened on I don't know if it was on that
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  Speaker 1: first third down or one of the first team third downs.
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  Speaker 1: Spencer Brown got being inside, Yeah, penetration right away. I
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  Speaker 1: think they tried to run tackle wrap or tried to
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  Speaker 1: run dart again, and Dawkins the guy spiked inside Brown
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  Speaker 1: so hard that he not only got through Brown, but
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  Speaker 1: he met Dawkins behind like Torrents or behind the center
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  Speaker 1: blew up the whole play. And yeah, it was just
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  Speaker 1: that first team O line had a real, real tough
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  Speaker 1: time getting anything going in the run game, but it
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  Speaker 1: was really due to push. And then I thought that
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  Speaker 1: carried through for the rest of the offensive lines as well.
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  Speaker 1: And while we did see some nice push and some
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  Speaker 1: nice movement with the third.
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  Speaker 5: Team, I think I guess the natural jumping off point
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  Speaker 5: for this spinning it forward is like, how much of
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  Speaker 5: this has to do with the departure Mitch Morse And
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  Speaker 5: obviously it's five people, but we know who kind of
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  Speaker 5: like quarterbacks. Those five people is the center. So I'm
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  Speaker 5: not gonna sit here and place blame on mccovern. But
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  Speaker 5: you know, obviously that was the additions and losses of
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  Speaker 5: this offseason. That's kind of the move and shaken that
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  Speaker 5: we're going to see on the offensive line. So hopefully
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  Speaker 5: they can find their cohesiveness and move forward positively and
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  Speaker 5: start stacking positive days instead of stacking negative performances.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. It's interesting Comma saying, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: want to look at the All twenty two, but I
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  Speaker 1: wonder about having a finesse guard at center fair. But
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  Speaker 1: also Mitch Morris is more of a finesse guard, so like,
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  Speaker 1: you're not. Really, it's not like you went from a
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  Speaker 1: people mover to a finesse guy. You went from more people,
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  Speaker 1: more finesse to I was actually saying McGovern's probably a
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  Speaker 1: little more physical.
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  Speaker 5: Than probably, but it's splitting hairs really, it's they're both
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  Speaker 5: cut from the same cloth in terms of archetype.
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  Speaker 1: This is good from from Laurence saying that was a
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  Speaker 1: quote unquote offensive display. That offensive, Yes, guy was it
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  Speaker 1: was not great? Not great? Oh super chat smash the
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  Speaker 1: like for Kendall go bills. We have somebody who is
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  Speaker 1: rocking your last name. I feel like it's just a
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  Speaker 1: fan account though for you, which is pretty awesome. Appreciate
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  Speaker 1: you being here. Appreciate the super chat, Appreciate the donation.
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  Speaker 1: Very nice. Also, I think we also need to calm
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  Speaker 1: down a little bit too, Like Kirk comes in and says,
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  Speaker 1: motion with a whole bunch of question marks. What's that
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  Speaker 1: it's the first preseason game. You're not gonna get all
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  Speaker 1: the bells and whistles and eye candy and dressing that
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  Speaker 1: you're going to get a regular season game. This is
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  Speaker 1: like Kendall, like you and I talked about earlier this week,
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  Speaker 1: this game is very much like just a shell, like
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  Speaker 1: you were running the most vanilla of vanilla baby. It's
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: kind of like a Senior Bowl game or like an
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  Speaker 1: All Star game, where it's just like, hey, we're pretty
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  Speaker 1: much just gonna play these coverages. You know, there's not
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  Speaker 1: rules that limit you, like the Senior Bowl, but we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna keep things very basic, very vanilla. Maybe we'll throw
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  Speaker 1: a couple of wrinkles in here and there. Maybe we'll
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  Speaker 1: you know, we'll blitz on one rep here, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: we'll run a screen here, or send this one guy
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  Speaker 1: in motion. They're not gonna put all that on display
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  Speaker 1: in the preseason, like teams don't want to put that
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  Speaker 1: on tape earlier in the season regardless, let alone the preseason.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think that is anything tremendously worrisome. If
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  Speaker 1: you weren't seeing enough play action or motion or shifting
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  Speaker 1: in this game, don't leave this game being like, well,
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  Speaker 1: that means they're not going to do it all year,
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  Speaker 1: like it's the first preseason game. So yeah, let's let's
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  Speaker 1: not get too crazy. The execution wasn't great, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: look great, but let's not just kind of push it
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  Speaker 1: to that limit. Sticking with the offensive line, I thought
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  Speaker 1: Cedric van Prayan Granger had a couple of nice reps again,
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  Speaker 1: third team on third team. I like this movement in
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  Speaker 1: the run on those pin and poll, on those pining
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  Speaker 1: poll runs that we saw some success with. I thought
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  Speaker 1: he had a couple of nice reps in pass pro
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  Speaker 1: kind of keeping his man right at the line of scrimmage,
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  Speaker 1: no penetration, good anchor, good hand placement, good fit. So
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was a nice potential silver lining. Again,
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  Speaker 1: it's third team on third team or maybe a third
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  Speaker 1: team on fourth depending on what the bearers are rolling
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  Speaker 1: out there. But I thought he was a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a silver lining from an individual player perspective on the
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  Speaker 1: old line.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I definitely he saw that too.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to have my eyes on him based on
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  Speaker 5: what we talked about last time we were here, him
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  Speaker 5: not really being too high on the depth chart, and
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  Speaker 5: wanted to see what he could do with his opportunities.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean he didn't.
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't noticing him if I didn't watch him, which
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  Speaker 5: is obviously what you.
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  Speaker 1: Want the best compliment for offensive life.
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  Speaker 5: You don't want to be noticed. But I mean, obviously
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  Speaker 5: when I was watching him, he was doing his job.
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  Speaker 5: He really wasn't getting too out of position. I saw
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  Speaker 5: one rep where he climbed to the second level nicely. There.
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  Speaker 5: There were just good moments from him, and now it's
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  Speaker 5: just about stacking them. But in terms of individual performances
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  Speaker 5: on the offensive line, I can't say anyone truly stuck
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  Speaker 5: out other than him, But that could just be my
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  Speaker 5: bias of trying to watch rookies like you already talked about.
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  Speaker 1: Yah fair and again, O line, I want to get
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  Speaker 1: into the individual reps come all twenty two and the
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  Speaker 1: skey stuff. I know Dion Dawkins had a really nice
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  Speaker 1: snatch trap early on. I think on the on the
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  Speaker 1: drive that the first team got a field goal or no,
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  Speaker 1: they get the drive that ended in the field goal,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: which when Trubisky took over at QB and they ended
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: up getting three really nice snatch trap on that play.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, we'll kind of dive into and again I
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: think I oh man, I just I like kirk Man
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: saying who's the old line coach, same clown year in
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: and year out. The old line coach is Aaron Cromer.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: He's one of the best in the business. That's why
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: the Bill's offensive line was part of the reason why
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: the Bills offensive line was so tremendous last year. It's
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: again it's I am fine with anybody being upset, but
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: taking this one performance and using it to describe the season. Also,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: last year, the Bills got housed in what the second
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: preseason game against Pittsburgh or was it the first, I
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: don't remember, but they got absolutely destroyed and then went
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: on to have a season where, if they're healthy, probably
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: could have beat the Kansas City Chiefs in the final
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: four of the AFC, But conversation for another time. All right, Kendall,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: anything else on the offensive line before we move over,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: other than just kind of being underwhelmed and disappointed.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's keep it moving, all right, running.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Backs, wide receivers, and tight ends. Where do you want
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: to go? Uh?
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: Let's go with wide receivers, since there's a lot of
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: them and we might as well knock that out.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Feel free to throw tight ends in there. Let's let's
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: call it pass Yeah.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: Pass catchers, Yeah, yeah, that's totally fair. I guess For
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: wide receivers, the clear and obvious one is Khalil Shakir,
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: the only player that caught a pass for the Bills
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: in twenty twenty three.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: At the wide receiver group, so good call. Might as
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: well talk about him.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: He had Probably he'd probably like the best rep of
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: the day out anybody on that fourth and two sells
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the little outside release, makes it seem like he's gonna
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: get a rail route, gets his man to go over
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: the top of the round underneath him, sits down for bus,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: hits him, and then bursts up. Feel for a nice
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: little game of twenty five. Yeah that was a great rep.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he just has that feel for space like it
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: was something that we saw back at Boise. It was
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: something we were excited about, that that feel in confined
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: spots or wide spots to just identify coverages and identify
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: spacing and sit down on it and play quarterback friendly football.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: And then the thing we love to talk about is
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: how seamlessly he transitions from a pass catcher to a runner.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: He really has a feel not only for the spacing
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: of the defense to be open for the quarterback, but
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: also the spacing of where they are as he's catching it,
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: so he can plant the correct foot, pivot off of it,
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: and turn up field. Like He's just so smooth as
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: a ball carrier, as a route runner, as a pass catcher.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: There's just something very like easy for him about it.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: And it's it's not like an OBJ like, oh, just
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: go up and catch it and snatch it out of
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: the air easy, but like the really technical, like fundamental
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: things to the game are truly fundamental for him, and
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: he's just so smooth working through all those things.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a again small sample size, but a
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: good game.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: What I want.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to like more and more Khalishakir and we
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: saw it last year. Seen it nice from Lauren Shakir's
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: hips don't lie nice Shakira reference. Well, don Lauren. He
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: he's starting the more he gets used in this offense,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and I mean this in the best way possible, he's
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: starting to look more and more like Boise State.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, he just keeps finding space. He knows how
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: to leverage coverage. He knows how to manipulate defenders. What
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: we talked about this when he got drafted, the deception
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: in his route running and him continuing to lie to
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: defenders and manipulate them. We're seeing that on display and
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: then the yards after catch. How he just kind of
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: functions like a running back once the ball is in
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: his hands. Yeah. Nice, nice game for Koli O Shakir. Today,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: let's talk about key On Coleman, his first game, gets
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: a couple of passes thrown his way. What are your thoughts.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I I know I saw some people. I'm not I'm
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: not gonna call anybody out, but like I see, I
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: saw some you know, tweeting the little like five yard
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: hitch route from Coleman that he makes the catch on,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: and people are like I thought, people said he couldn't separate.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Look at this separation. Oh my god. I thought he
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: has improved in terms of his footwork and is know
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: uitity in terms of his lower body and being able
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: to get in and out of breaks. But you know,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts key on Coleman debut technically, because
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: this preseason, what are your thoughts on mister ke On Coleman.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: I thought you did fine. I mean, obviously he didn't
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: have a lot of opportunities. He was only targeted three times,
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: and we just talked about the one catch. But I
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: thought he did fine. He did his job as a blocker,
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: and there were a handful of routes that he ran
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: where it was just you could see the quarterback was
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: trying to find him, like I think it was that
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: that boot from Trubisky to the top of the screen
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: where you could see Coleman crossing from the other side
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: of the formation and the safety picked him up and
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: there was just no.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Chance to get him the ball.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: So it's just there's a handful of those where there
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: was really nothing he could do to get open. But
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: the opportunities that he had, I thought he looked fine,
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: And we're just gonna have to wait for more reps.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: But on his single catch, I mean the easy thing
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: to like the low hanging fruit to compliment him on
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: was just the ability to work back to the football
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: like he didn't have to do that. He created plenty
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: of space at the top of the route and came
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: back to the football when he didn't have to. But
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: that's the veteran move to make more space at the
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: catch point, to work back towards it and make sure
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: no one gets in front of you to get that PBu.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: So he did that and then turned up field to
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: make sure that he regained the first down that he
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: would have had if he just sat on it.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: So it was good, just like.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: Small little fundamental things from him that you could see
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: right away. And then obviously all the words through the
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: broadcast where anyone was asked a question about Kean Coleman,
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: like they're all raving about how he works and how
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: professional he is about getting better. So I think this
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: guy is still the limit for the guy, and we're
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: not even scratching the surface right now because we're not seeing.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Anything, right. I think what I like the most about
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: that that catch on the curl was he changes his
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: pace as he gets into the break like he makes it,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: like he changes his pace like he's going to push
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: vertical and then slams on the brakes and gets back out.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: So seeing again that little craftsman ship and deception was nice.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: That was my I was higher on him than most,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: especially from a Bill's perspective going into this draft season.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: He was my wide receiver nine. And within that, you know,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the athleticism is gonna play, the size is gonna play,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: the hands are going to play, all that type of stuff.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: But the biggest question is can he refine his game
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: enough from a route running standpoint, And I mean that holistically.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: His release is his stem work, his footwork coming in
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and out of breaks, the deception, all the things that
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: make you more of a technician and more of a refined,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: more polished player. Can he add that to his game?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And how and or how long does it take him
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: to add that to his game? And I thought, you know,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: even just with where he was last year versus where
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: he is now, I thought, he's cleaned up his feet
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to a pretty good degree. I think there's more to come,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: but so he can make those progressions already, Yeah, with
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: just little glimpses of technicality, little glimpses of nuanced, little
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: glimpses of refinement. Again that the size and the athleticism
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: in the frame that's gonna play, that's gonna transition. We
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: saw that on day one from camp. But seeing the
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: little flashes of nuance and technicality, I think it's a
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: nice piece to see. But again, small sample size, small
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: debut form. The more we get live reps and live
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: bullets against real dues, will start to see more in
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: shine or come potentially shining for him. Curtis Samuel Nice
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: first down on a tunnel screen today. I think he's
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: someone who his usage is one that I'm really excited
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: to track, and I think once the regular season starts,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to see too much of
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: it in the preseason, but I think once the regular
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: season starts, whether it's screens, whether it's seam balls, whether
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: it's crossers, stuff out of the backfield, I really do
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: feel like if he's on the field, the ball is
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: going to go to him in some design or manufactured faction,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: manufactured faction, manufactured fashion. That's nothing to say though, just
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: because of his skill set, his familiarity with Brady, and
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: really what he can give you, so again, small glimpse
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: for him within those starters, but you know, nice, nice
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: move on the first round. And also, you know, I
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: guess it doesn't count because it's not a running back
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: screen but a first down on a screen for the Bills,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: which is nice and fun.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, right, And it came from Josh Allen.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: So anytime Josh Allen's completing screen passes, that's plus for me.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: I want to see a little bit more of that.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: But yeah, you said it all with Curtis Samuel. I mean,
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: we're really not going to get to see what we
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: want to see in terms of usage and the versatility
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: of that usage until the regular season, but fine by me.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: It's nice to see the conventional side of the wide
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: receiver that Curtis Samuel is and he's very good at it,
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: Like we see his yards after the catch with that screen.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: Hopefully he's utilized in that way all season. But you
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: could also see him, you know, getting downfield, like he
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: still has speed, he can still create separation with that speed.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: And then, which was really nice, that one sit overball
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: concept that they had the mesh sit where obviously running
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: Curtis Samuel on a Mesh is dangerous because he's fast
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: and if he's crossing the field, you got to follow him.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: But then he sat, and I think it was his
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: zone coverage, So they were probably all meant to sit.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: The one in the in the low red zone, the Trubisky.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: I don't think it was. I know its Trubisky. I
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: think it was low red zone. But I'm sure they
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: were probably like, Okay, if it's man, you keep Mesh going.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: If it's zone, everyone find their spot and sit, and
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: he sits right in the middle of that zone and
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: gives Trubisky an easy, like eight nine yard completion something
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: like that. But yeah, just seeing the conventional side to
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Curtis Samuel at the wide receiver position is it's encouraging
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: because obviously that's the talk of this team for national media,
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: who's going to replace Diggs? And I think we just
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: going one two three right there between Shakir Coleman and Samuel.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: We just illustrated it's not a one for one swap
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: replacement for Diggs. They're gonna do this as a team.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: And we really didn't see a whole lot of the
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: tight ends today, which kind of makes it even more
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: encouraging that they were fine from a pass catcher in
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: terms of like first second stringers today, and we still.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Didn't even get to see much from the tight ends and.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: No MATC Collins today. I know that's yeah, maybe not
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: crazy for some people. I was a little disappointed. I
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: wanted to see what he'd looked like with some wide bullets,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: with the camp that he's had, the tight ends piece
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: and again small you know. You and I talked about
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: some structure stuff and kind of the shell when we
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: did our episode earlier this week. I liked and again
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: this is just me extrapolating kind of in the theory
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: of the off season and league trends like we've been
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: talking about, but I liked the for it's twelve personnel
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the first two plays right out of the gate, and
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the first play it's more condensed, reduced formational with they
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: run the ball. The second play it's the same personnel
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: grouping and they go spread and they hit Khalil Shekure Like.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I just like that little that little changing of the
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: dial a little bit to stain the same personnel group.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: You can spread them out, you can go condense, you
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: can run, you can pass. Kind of that multiplicity aspect
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: of it, But yeah, pretty quiet day there was. I
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: think it was the Rah the play where Allen scrambled
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: on third down and slid for the first Kinkaid ran
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a little up and out and I'm very interested to
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: see on the all twenty two if he was open
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: like I think he was. I don't know if it
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: was too high or single, but he actually the corner
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: of the stock corner, made a pretty good transition and
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: ran with him, stabbed the hip, turned and got a
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: field with him and carried him. But yeah, pretty quiet
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: day for the tight ends. Kinkaid had one catch on
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: a ball from Trubisky, anybody else from a pass catching standpoint,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: or I guess even two from the kind of perceived
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: starters MBS had a drop or you know, how did
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: your focus shift to We've talked so much about who
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: kind of wins the wide receiver five to six battle.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: There is one not much from Hamdler today, Shavers not much.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: A couple of drops or at least one one was
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: kind of a one that got caught in the air,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: and the win from Trubisky and he dropped. Andy has
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Bella had a couple of nice reps. But we kind
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: of know what he is anything else from the pass
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: catcher standpoint, How do you feel about the depth? Do
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: you think anyone kind of helped themselves today or was
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: it just kind of a mass, small sample size Chock
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: it up to the first game perform and some move on.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it is kind of the ladder there
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: where a lot of guys showed flashes, like Shavers had
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: that nice catch and physicality to get the first down
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: after the catch. Isabella continues to prove that he's just
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: tough to tackle despite his size, Like he really works
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: through contact well for someone his size, he really does.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: And yeah, I think Hammler shows the juice that you
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: want to see, but like couldn't find his footing, had
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: the problem in the kick return game. So like, I
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: think everyone kind of had their ups and downs for
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: the depth of the wide receiver group. So I think
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: we're still just kind of left with a little bit
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: more that we want from that part of the wide
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: receiver group and we're just kind of gonna have to
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: wait and see. I don't think anyone really separated themselves.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: But the fact that mac Collins was he injured, like
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: the fact that he wasn't dressed is like a big
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: boat of golf foot right foot ankle.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I think he dinged up something made week or at
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the end of last week, So like him not playing
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: today wasn't a complete surprise. I didn't know if he
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: was or I honestly, if somebody has like a stubbed toe,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: they're gonna hold him out in the Yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I mean we saw it. All of her get injured
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: on the first play and it's like, not not worth it. Man.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: He went down and I was like, he'll be fine.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: But then I saw like how frustrated he looked, And
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, are you frustrated because it's the first
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: player if you're frustrated because it's something more serious, And
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, oh my god, oh
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: my god. But yeah, I did that fair. I think
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: also with the pass catchers, that's part of also. I
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: think my frustration with the offense, just the lack of
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: drive sustaining that they had. There is some moving and
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: shaking to be done with the O line, with the
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: wide receivers, and I just feel like dudes didn't really
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: get a chance to kind of get going today because
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: there was so much disconnect and stop start with the
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: offense and again, lack of ball control, lack of ball movement,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to kind of not really get into a rhythm,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: not to layer and stack things with one another, and
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: then the game starts to get away from you a
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: little bit at the end, so your hand is kind
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: of and the offensive line is protecting. I think that
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: was part of it too, that I kind of think
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: kind of influenced the past catching conversation, which was a
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: competition that I still think is a very legit competition
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and an important one. But unfortunately, I don't think today
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: really gave us like I think what we saw from Coleman. Again,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: these are all small sample sizes, but like, oh cool,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: so a flash from Coleman here and there, Okay, a
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: flash from Samuel, like okay, Shakira doing shekir things. But
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: everything else, I feel like we're kind of left in
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the wind because we really didn't get an opportunity for
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: guys to showcase themselves in any in any way, shape
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: or form. I mean, Handler had that one catch and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: then he fell down and tripped over his own feet,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: like two yards short an get space.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: He had a lot of space to work with, and
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: that's kind of his game. What he can do after
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: the catch, so well. Frustrating that no one truly stepped
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: up from the depth spot there a wide receiver, but.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Is what it is. We just got to keep it
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: moving and see what we can get next week.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: That's right. Anything else for pass catchers, tight ends, wide receivers,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: anything for you, Uh.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: Not much, I will say from a tight end, like
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: personnel wide, I just checked it out. They were at
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: like twenty point eight percent twelve personnel usage and last
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: year holistically they were like seventeen point eight or seventeen
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: point six something like that, So a little bit higher
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: than season average last year, but obviously just preseason. It's
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: a lot based on who's available during the preseason, so
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: not a lot to glean from the personnel usage tight
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: end wise.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: But yeah, very fair, very fair, very fair. I hope
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: to kind of see again the thirteen past game was black,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: but I hope to see a little bit from Zach
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Davidson again. I don't think it got the opportunity to today,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: which was a lot disapointing. I do think Quint Morris
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: was open on that seam ball and Trubisky just couldn't
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: layer it in and touching in there yet, which is
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: just and man, you know, it's so funny. And I'm
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: not saying this to rag on Mitch Trubisky because he's
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: better at football than any of us ever will be,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: But the idea of like watching a guy go from
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: being this highly touted prospect and top five pick that
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: a team trades up for and sacrifices for it to
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: be in this kind of preseason guy back up multiple
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: teams that doesn't really accomplish much like the career trajectory
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: of players and evaluation versus what they are in actuality. Yeah,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: it's just he's such a big reminder of it for
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: me because he was he was legit at North Carolina
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: and there were a lot of people that liked him
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and we're all in on that hype. And then that
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: first year, granted they had that defense, but he's running
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: all over the place like there's team. People are catching
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: their fantasy tickets in on him in year two, like
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: they're like, no, Trubisky's gonna lead this team. And then
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to see kind of where he went, and yeah, it's
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: just I don't know why he he always is just
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: like a kick in the teeth reminder of what like
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: career trajectories look like and what a prospect can be
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: versus what they are in actuality. Yeah, no one knows,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: No one disappointing missed for him. Yeah on that Baal
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: to Morris. Let's go to the running backs. One of
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the guys we talked about. I think let's lead with
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Ray Davis because he got more snapshare than Cold, had
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: more touches. I liked what I saw from Ray Davis.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I liked the catch over the middle where he broke
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: a tackle, lowered his shoulder, got forward. He had a
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: really nice extension and toe tap on the sideline on
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: a play for Buchelle. I believe it was or Trubisky
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: rolling right, and I think it was Michelle. But I
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: had a couple. He had a nice repin pass pro
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: where he went low on the blitzing linebacker and got
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: him off his feet, went after that that lower leg,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: that inside thigh and flipped him and got enough of
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: that inside part to turn him again. Small sample size overall,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: but I like what we saw in glimpses from Ray
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Davis as just being kind of that outlet guy out
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: of the backfield. It's hard to judge him in the
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: run game because I think not to give him a pass.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: He was kind of a victim of what we saw
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: with Cook in the first team, which was no push
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: penetration being given up, And especially for a dude like that,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: who I think he needs a little more of a
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: runway to get going. Yeah, if he's gonna get hit
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: behind the line, you're dead in the water. Which was
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: disappointing for him, But I thought he showed well as
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: a pass catcher and showed some of the promise that
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: we've seen in camp and that we saw on tape
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: at Kentucky.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: I mean it's someone who led the Wildcats in rushing
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: and receiving touchdowns last year. So nice to see him
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: kind of continue that trend with catching the ball out
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: of the backfield. But that's kind of the interesting thing,
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: like how is he going to be used? We know
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Joe Brady likes to pass the running backs, but like,
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: how much of that was just, oh, the Bears are
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: playing shell defense. Is quarterbacks getting into the running back
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: while they're still still in their drop type of thing,
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: So you kind of wonder how much of that was
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: from just the defense, But also he was still executing
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: when he was getting the ball thrown him sure hands,
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: fighting four yards after the catch, like showing what he
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: can do with space as a running back if he
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: were to have that space, but obviously today he did not.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: So I thought what we saw from him, given the
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: context of how his teammates around him played, he looked fine,
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: he looked good, he looked encouraging in the areas that
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: you could really get a takeaway from it. So I
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: was happy about that, and I think similarly, like moving
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: on to Frank Gore Junior, I thought there were some
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: similarities there between you know, the way that they run
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: in their style of football. I think both of them,
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: it's very complimentary of James Cook. It's very much like
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: they're a functional pass catcher in this offense. Gore showed
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: that he had solid hands today, Yeah, fought for first
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: down yardage like the way that Davis and Gore fight
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: for their yards and fall forward through contact. And that's
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: not to say that Cook doesn't, but it's probably more
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: of a struggle for him given his build. So I
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: just think the compliments that I think that's the biggest
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: takeaway that I saw from the two running back Score
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: and Davis today was just how complimentary they are of
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: James Cook. You could really see that in the moments
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: that they were flashing. It was like, oh, this is
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: something that is maybe an area of opportunity for James Cook.
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: So it's good to see that we have it lowered
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: down the depth chart at his position. That's even part
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: of what I like with Ty Johnson, Like he's got
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: enough juice and speed, but a little more of a hammer,
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: a little more of a downfield, like let me just
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: get an angle and go through someone's shoulder and get forward.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: You know. It's funny too. I thought I thought James
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Cook last year improved on his like yards after contact,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: falling forward or getting through shoulders to even at really
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: a better level than I thought he could get to.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: So I think what he's done has been encouraging. But
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: to your point, he's never really gonna be that guy
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: to go through someone. Davis gives you a little bit
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: of that. Gore gives you a little bit of that.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Ty Johnson gives you a little bit of that. And yeah,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I liked I liked Gore. We talked about him on Tuesday.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Some nice catches, some good hands, a couple you know
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: runs where he just runs and catches where he just
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: couldn't get a get away from a defender and just
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: fell a couple of yards short. But yeah, I thought
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: he showed some flashes and again in a similar mold
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: to Davis. And it's nice for those dudes because you
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: know those runn backster and get all that work in
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the preseason. I wanted to bring this up real quick,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: and I'm to keep picking on this. Anya kirk. Kirk
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: says he's responded to someone else. He says the old
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: line has been weak for years. Josh Allen makes them
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: look better, so it seems not to be addressed the
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Bill's O line. Last year, they were fifth in past
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: blocking efficiency. They were first in adjusted lineyards for the run,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: which means yards that are attributed to the line the
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: offensive line as opposed to the running back. They were
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: sixth in power success rate, which is the percentage of
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: runs on third or fourth down two yards or less
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: to go they get a first down or touchdown. They
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: had the best mark in stuff percentage, which is running
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: back runs that are tackled at or behind the line
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: of scrimmage. They had the best adjusted sack rate they
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: had They were fifth in rush yards before contact. They
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: were seventh in rush yards before contact per carry. They
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: were third in running back rush yards before contact and
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: second in running back rush yards before contact per carry.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: The Bill's offensive line last year was absolutely tremendous. I
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: agree that Allen has made them better in years past.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: The offensive line last year was tremendous in pass bro
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and in the run, and the fact that they were
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: also able to do zone and gap scheme runs was
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: a real strength of this group last year. Offensively, from
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: a schematic standpoint, the offensive line was very good last year.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Well coached, good dudes, And again I'm not gonna rip
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: them for what their twenty twenty four is going to
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: be off of the one preseason game. But yeah, I
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: just wanted to talk about how good the old line
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: was last year. But yeah, I like those flashes from Gore,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: even Darrenton Evans, who somebody I really liked even going
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: back to college. Like his speed. Small running backs who
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: can just burn will always intrigue me. But a couple
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: of nice runs for him, like we talked about with
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: the old line earlier, on those pining poll runs, it's
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: just so tough. I feel like, I really do feel
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: like the top three set with Cook Davis and Ty
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Johnson or Johnson and Davis. However, you kind of want to,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: you know, finagel it. I do wish we got to
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: see more from an evaluation standpoint for the running backs
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: in the run game, but because of how the old
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: line played, again, we really didn't get to what else
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: anything else with the running backs before we flip it
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: over to the defensive side of the ball.
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: No, I think that's it. I think that's uh, pretty
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: much all we're gonna get from the running backs. I'm
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: just hoping that I didn't notice if I should look
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: into this, if Gore got any time on special teams,
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: because I'm hoping he cant on the roster, that.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Would be a nice poll. Yeah, my data doesn't have
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: that pol you're actually speak of a special team. Let's
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: go on that real quick. Any worry about Sam Martin
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: kind of shank in two punts even though it was
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: windy and not ideal, But that second one was brutal.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: The first one he had the benefit of the bounce,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: but two not so good punts. What do you think
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: I'm always going to stay worried with special teams, Like
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, special teams is like kicking, especially given how
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: last year ended for the Bills, Like, kicking this oblong
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: shaped ball is a problem, Like it's harder than we think. Yeah,
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: and got to get guys that are good at it.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, these guys are professionals and they're very good
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: at it. But man, the marching of error is slim.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: So I mean, there's nothing you can really do at
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: this point, your guys. So here, guys, it's not like
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: you're going to improve on those positions at this point.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: I guess there's not much I can say about concern
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: because those operations are just always nerve wracking as a fan,
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: whether it's a kick or a punt, like, it's just
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: always kind of a nerve racking play because it can
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: go so wrong.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not like panicking with that, right, But yeah, and
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: this is actually is what I was gonna say. It
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: is a good point from Lauren. She said it was
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: a bit breezy today, but it can get a lot
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: windier in the raff. She said, consider me terrified of punting.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: That's what my worry is. Like it was and even
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: now like outside like it's still a little windy. It's
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: not like uh oh, no, one's gonna be able to
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: kick her punt today type of wind like it was windy,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: but it was still a tame kind of windy day
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: for Buffalo and for the RALF And yeah, it's And
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: also I don't think I don't think his second punt
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: was more Oh it got caught in the wind as
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: it was like it was a contact Yeah, it was
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: a contact issue. And I think it was similar to
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: kind of the first not so great punt we saw
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: from him. And I just think too, as this offense
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: finds itself in the beginning of the year, even the
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: defense a little bit as well, you can't afford to
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: have botches on special teams. You cannot afford to have
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: like like muff punts or muff kicks, or in the
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: return game, you can't afford to have shank punts. You
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: can't afford to miss field goals, like you have to
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: be buttoned up in that aspect. And it's disappointing because
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: the Bills have really been one of the better special
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: teams teams in the league since McDermott took over, and
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like the last couple of years they've been
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: on this like sad down in terms of execution in
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: terms of coverage units, in just terms of like field
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: position punting. You know, we know Bass' struggles last year
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: and how that kind of reared its head in that
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: divisional game against the Chiefs. So I'm not terrified. I'm
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: not freaking out, but I am definitely like less. I
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: don't feel great about Sam Martin, especially for something that's
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: just so I don't want to oversimplify that job, because,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: like you said, it's a lot harder than it is.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Just kick the ball, Like, I don't need a fifty
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: yard punt ten seconds of hangtime every time, Like just
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: to be a good I'll take a forty five yard
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: line drive at a good distance and get it out
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: of bounce or something with them mole like just don't
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: shank it. Yeah, and he's he has that roller coaster
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: like he's got a great punt and then his bad
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: punts are terrible, like and I just you just need
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: to be at the median right, Like I will sacrifice
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: the oh wow punts from Sam Martin if it means
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: you'll also stop doing the ah crap Sam Martin kind
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: of punch. Just give me consistency, you like, weekend and
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: week out.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: The sad part about like what you're saying with reality
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: of Sam Martin is that like his mean, his average
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: of punt outcomes lives at the median right, yes, when
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: you but he doesn't live at the median in terms
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: of just the consistence.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: No, it's just it's like Spencer Brown from a couple
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: of years ago, like his highs were amazing and his
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: lows were terrible. When you balanced it out, it was like,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: oh okay, and it's like no, not okay, Like you
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: can't live like that. Appreciate you being here, Linda, and
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: thank you very much for the super chat. Linda says,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: are left at halftime instaid, are we in trouble? No,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: it's it's the first preseason game. I think the Bills
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: head of showing that you know, like we talked about earlier,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: is very much less than ideal. You don't want to
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: have this kind of poor showing against anyone at any point,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: but if you are going to do it, it's the preseason.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Everything is very vanilla. It's the first game, kind of
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: see where they course correct and go from here. Again,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: it's not ideal. You don't want this type of result
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: or this type of performance or I think from an
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: execution standpoint, you don't want this level of poor execution
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. But no, I wouldn't
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: say we're in trouble. If this was happened in like
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: week eight or nine, or even like week four, I'd
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, oh, we might be in a little
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: bit of a problem here, But no, preseason, We'll kind
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: of see what happens and go from there. All right, Oh,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: what do you got? You got another thought?
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: I was going to say, going back to your point
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: on special teams, uh, and the decline of special teams.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: This is the first year I believe that we're not
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: going to be able to pay like a handful of
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: special team acesh. So we might have to start getting
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: used to life like that now that we're paying Josh Allen,
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: Like that's truly on the books now.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no more Taiwan Jones is and Tyler Menikevitch's.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: All those, all those guys.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: It's there's not enough going on in the bank account
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: to be able to pay all of those guys for
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: all the roles that they play on this team. So yeah,
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: just kind of something that popped into.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: My head when you were talking about the special teams decline.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I think that's fair. That's actually a good point too.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: And now you know what, it's funny like I'm waiting
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: for everyone to be like, we just don't have enough
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: talent on special teams. After the conversation for the previous years,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: why are we paying these Why if we waste all
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: this money on teams?
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: That's the dichotomy of fandom. It's it's that.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the dichato. Man, that's a gool. That's a bit
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: like a good like a good sports book title. The
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: dichotomy of fandom. I like that.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: I hate this next year, Oh, this is why we win.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Oh whoops, I didn't realize. Let's go to the defense.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: What do you want to start line linebackers, secondary.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's work it from the line of scrimmage backwards.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, we'll start with the line of scrimmage and go backwards.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Let's start in the interior and then we'll talk about
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: the edges, separate anything. And I'll start with interior because
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I want to say this again and oh, appreciate you, Sophia, Sophia,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: thank you very much for being here. Thank you for
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: the super chat. Sophia says an and Kendall the best
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Bills post game. Yeah, appreciate you, Sophia, Thank you very much.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: You're a constant supporter of the show, of the brand.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: We recognize you all the time. Thank you very again.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Thank you for the kind words and the super chat.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Let's start with the interior and Oliver goes down in
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: the first play. We think he's fine. I want to
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: start with mine again. And I'm going to say this
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: for the defensive line as a whole, especially for the interior.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Like we said for the offensive line, I don't I
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: don't want to blow up the trenches because I want
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: to see all twenty two, to really dive into it
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: and get the details of it. Oh, got to stop
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: because we got super chet. Thank very much for being here.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Carl think of for the super chat and he says, uh,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: mcdee has a bad challenge. Record player of the game
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: is John Perry. Yeah maybe that kind of yeah help
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: them up.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: At Yeah, Yeah, that was huge.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: I think we all felt the difference there, and I
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: think the Bills broadcast team did a good job of
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: highlighting what the change in the room is.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: And I don't even want to like, I'm pretty sure
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: this is kind of like a joke from Carl. I
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: actually think and I'm sure you think there's real value
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: to it, but I think this could actually make a
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: significant difference, like a couple of challenges that go your way,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: or challenges you don't waste challenges on and you get
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: to pocket those timeouts that can be the difference in
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: like in a victory against a good team in January
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: or potentially February. So yeah, I like, I don't like that.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: But also the rule about getting a third challenge to
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: get one of the first two correct, which.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Is nice because it used to just be you had
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: to get both of them right, and now yes, you
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: got to be accurate. Absolutely. A couple of comments on
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: the chat McDermott seemed real. Irket Lauren said Breaking News.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: McDermott said the postgame presser he wasn't very pleased with
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: today's performance and they have a lot to work on. Absolutely,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: mons love to hear that from coach, you know, absolutely,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: but I figured kind of that would be his thing.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I don't put too much on the postgame stuff. Same
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: same thing when Allen has a bad game and he's like,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: you know, it starts with me, I gotta get better
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you said this like seventy five times, Like,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: As long as that's as long as that's the mentality,
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: that's really all that I care about.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: I care about how.
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: They're processing this and how they want the media to
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: perceive their processing of the situation. So I'm glad to
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: hear that McDermott feels displeased with the performance and that
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: they need to do a lot to get better.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: He should, And I like, if I'm the coach of
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: that team, like us sitting here right now, it's the
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: first game of the preseason, right, let's if I'm the coach,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you, guys.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: What are we doing?
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Long?
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly one. But yeah, as fans, we we gotta
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: let the process play out.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no pun intended there, or maybe pun intended for you.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: So yeah, starting on that interior. And again it's kind
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: of backtrack a little. I am reserving full judgment until
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I can see the all twenty two. I thought on
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Austin Johnson had a couple of nice reps today, some
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: good penetration from holding up some dudes inside. I thought
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: he showed physicality on the interior there. What did you
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: think of Dwayne Carter because I just I don't want
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: to say he's a hole, but like the first big run,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: he got washed out, he got driven off actually one
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: of the stops for Austin Johnson, Carter got blown off
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: the ball by a double team, which is a worry
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I had for him based on his tape at Duke,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: just his inability to anchor or split double teams. I
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: want to be more on board with him, but I
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: feel like he just wasn't impactful today, even though he
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: got a bunch of burn. I felt like he was
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: getting bullied at times, driven up field, lack of rush
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: lane integrity in the run, getting pushed around a little
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: bit again not seeing seeing it from the broadcast, which
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: isn't the best vantage point for interior defensive line play.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts on Carter? Because I also
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: think this a little this goes a little in line
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: up with what we've seen from camp where he just
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: was kind of not noticeable day in and day out
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: because he wasn't really standing out making any type of impact.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: No, I feel very similarly like there were some hustle
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: moments that I was like, okay, cool, Like at least
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: he's showing the effort like he's working through these things.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: But yeah, from a technical perspective, like it just wasn't
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: good enough. He was getting blown off the ball. He
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: had the most snaps of any defensive lineman in this game,
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: thirty one, and we couldn't feel his inmy wow.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Really problem. Yeah, do you have rosstats with him too?
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Like any Next was twenty six okay from Cameron Klein.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Who flashed a little bit actually and had some good
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: pressures Cameron Cline, which is.
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: Kind of the point, you know, it's like you really
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: want to see that impact made with that amount of snaps.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: Thirty one defensive snaps, two tackles, one quarterback pressure. So okay,
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: like there, I I definitely noticed a moment and this
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: could have been the pressure that was charted was when
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: he was trying to split the double team and he
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: was tripped as he was going through the double team. Yeah,
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: I believe might have been to set up a screen
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: or something like that. Yeah, and yeah he just fell
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: getting to the quarterback. Like from a proximity perspective, that
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: could have been charted as a pressure. But yeah, like
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: there there was definitely some elements of like the hustle
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: and the want to and the urgency that you love
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: to see, which was probably a big part of why
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: he got drafted on top of the intelligence factor. But
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: uh yeah, from execution perspective, like it just has to
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: be more stout, has to be more violent and aggressive
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: in terms of getting or preventing that push and displacement
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: from the opposing offensive line, specifically in the run game.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again that that was my worry for him
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: at at Duke, like if he if he wasn't getting
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: penetration and causing havoc, he wasn't going to have a
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: positive impact on a play because he's not all right, cool,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: let me hold my man at the point of its
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: time and go from there. He's a pure Laurence says, Yeah,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: but you can't quantify character absolutely the little staff for character. Yeah,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: he if he wasn't like hitting that one gap and
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: getting through and causing havoc, it's it was a problem
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: for him at Duke, and so I'm a little disappointed
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: to see that continue in this first game. But shout
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: out to Austin Johnson. I didn't notice too much from Williams,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: but I didn't have my eye on him a Ton
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: anything else on the interior for you, No.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: I think he said it.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: With Austin Johnson, I was kind of like the spotlight
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: player of the group. In my opinion, I felt like
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: he was holding it down the most, which is very
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: ironic considering he plays the position that shouldn't be noticed
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: at all.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I also think I could be completely wrong here.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's slimmed down from his time. Yeah,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: he was moving good. He had a play where he
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: like ran down the line and was chasing something towards
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: the sideline, and I was like, I thought it was
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Carter And I was like, good hustle because the nine
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: he's ninety eight. Carter's ninety And I was like, oh,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: it's got to be ninety.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: The line in the mid exactly zero.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: And then he turned around and I was like, oh,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: that's ninety eight. I was like, that's Austin Johnson. Like
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: he's looking good. Like I feel like he's slimmed down
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: a bit. It almost to the point like I'm like,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: are you trying to play three tech this year?
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: Because you don't look like the regular on Tech? Don't
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: the bills don't really do that whole Like, No, you're
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: one peck. You're just living there. This is what you do.
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: Like Daikwan Jones the lines up a three tech every
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: now and again, like it's just how they.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Who's the one tech. But he's not like friggin Vita
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Vea or like.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Mons, like he's still how the bills.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: No, even if you're the one tech, you still have
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: to be able to one gap, you still have to
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: be able to penetrate. They're not too gapping over here,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: and kind of.
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I'm sure he got the playbook in OTA's
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: and he, you know, heard how he was going to
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: be utilized or how his archetype gets utilized in Buffalo,
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: and he's like, well, looks like I might need to
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: change some things physically just to get an edge here,
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: get an edge there.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair, anything so anything else on the interior?
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, interior's good.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Fair. Let's kick it to the edges. I do want
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: to start with this one. This is could comment from Ron.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Ron says smooth lost containment more often than I'd like.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I thought the edges not so much Apanessa and Groop,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: but I thought the edges from the second team, third team,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: fourth team Harveard quantifying it. Man, I felt like contain
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: was an issue in this game. I feel like they
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: were getting washed out by crack blocks and just like
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: the crack toss and the outside on zone runs just
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: seemed readily available, they were not containing well. We didn't
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: get a lot of good force play or box played
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: from them. Smoot was one for sure. I have one
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: that's sticking in my head where he just got caught.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I think he tried to shoot inside and it was
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: either the tight end of the tackle was like oh okay,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: perfect and just sealed him and then the run went
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: right off the front door upfield and I think they
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: kwon Hardy made the tackle eventually, like inside the ten
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: or something. It was only like a five or six
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: yard game, but I think Smooke got washed right out.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: I was just disappointed in the run game from the edges,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: just yeah, a lack of I thought real structure and
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: technicality and fundamentals kind of being adhered to with majority
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: of the guys again aside from Grout and Epanessa. But
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: within that, I thought Solomon had a couple of really
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: nice flashes. I do want to say this for Solomon,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: and it's something that I don't think this is a
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: death sentence for him at all. I don't. I don't
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: want to make a team like that. But I thought
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: it was very interesting and I tweeted it during the game.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Part of how he won in twenty twenty three was
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: the ability to dip and bend and flatten around the
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: arc and get to the quarterback. And you saw him
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: go for that on multiple times today. And the juice
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: is there, the dip is there, the bend is there.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: But NFL length and strength at the tackle position, yeah,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: forgetented him where you can flatten, it's tough to get
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: and find yourself in that position. Yeah. Yeah, you can
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: just tell where. There were a couple reps wheth you.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: There were a couple reps where I thought like, oh,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: if he's in college, that's a sack. But here in
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: the NFL, it's just like where he would get through
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: and be like here we go. He's getting pushed off
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: this way and he's getting run around a little bit more.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: And so I'm very interested to see how he course
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: corrects for that, right because I don't think at this point,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: or at least in the tape last year, that he
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: has an inside move right now, at this point was
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: very much outside the dip bend athleticism hand technique. I
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: thought he flashed in the run multiple times. I thought
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: he did a very good job reading the mesh point
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: between the quarterback and the running back. I think he
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: might have gambled on one where he had the bootleg
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: counter reverse responsibility, but he crashed down the line, made
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: the tackle right at the line on a play where
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Baigent handed it off, I thought so again, I thought
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: he flashed well. I thought he had a couple of
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: really nice pass rush reps, some good run defense reps.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: But I'm interested to see again what his counter is
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: for that NFL length and strength and size that kind
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: of has an answer for his best move and what
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: he's able to do. Yeah, I want to see where
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: he goes from there. I thought Cameron Klein had a
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: couple of really good nice reps, some good juice, some
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: good bursts off the edge, some hand usage. Kingsey Jonathan
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: had a couple solid reps, but kind of in line
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: with what we've seen from him. Yeah, I think he
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: was very much like what he's been in the preseason
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: these past couple of seasons. That's kind of where my
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: head is at with the edge group and what about you?
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I think you kind of hit it on
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: the head with everything. It's funny like you talking about
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: the the run contained stuff from the edge position and
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: epinessa group being kind of like exempt from that talk.
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: And first play the game is, oh, look at all
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: this displacement. Groot just manages to stack and shed his
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: guy and it's a gain of two three.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: You know what was wild? He's like, he's outside. I
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: made note of that play because I want to show
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: from the ALL twenty two he's outside and it goes
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: between the tackle and guard and he just sticks his
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: tree trunk arm in the hole and just brings the
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: dude down like he's not even in that gap, but
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: he's able to make a play in it because his
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: arms crasdiculous.
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: It's like, okay, first play the game, yep, Groot's the
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: same guy. We know we can rely on him to
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: do that. Let's see if he progresses as a as
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: a pass rusher. Is just like so easy, wash your
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: hands of it, Like right, he's good at this, yeah this,
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: yeah we know this, But no standout of this group
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: I think for the day to me is Javon Solomon,
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: not even from like a production perspective, but just kind
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: of from like encouragement.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think your words.
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: On him and how he's completing this process of sacking
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: the quarterback, because it is an art, Like the way
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: you get to the quarterback is an art, and the
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: way he does it is very specific in this moment,
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: and he's to get around the outside shoulder. The thing
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: that's encouraging to me is he's he's kind of completing
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: like of the three phases at least one and a
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: half right, Like he has the explosion right off the snap.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: He has the instincts to like jump the snap even
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: to a point and be very quick off the line
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: of scrimmage out of his stands, and he gets into
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: good positions there and he shows the flexibility the ankle bend,
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: the ab work, like everything to kind of get around
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: that outside should. But yeah, to your point, it's it's
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: kind of like halfway through that phase two of three
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: where it's like, ooh, there's maybe like a little bit
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: like cutting the corner you could do, Yeah, something technically
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: you could do there. So I think it's encouraging that
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: he's he's in a position to succeed, but it's you know,
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: just maybe inches centimeters millimeters away. So I think it's
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: encouraging that he's finding himself in that spot at the
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: very least because he has like kind of the unteachable quality,
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: which is yeah, you know, the get off yes, and
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: then the technical stuff he can find it yeah, you know,
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: like through time, like he's in his first training camp
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: in the NFL. So I'm I'm encouraged that we're kind
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: of at this stage with a fifth round pick. He
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: makes me think of like a pitcher who's got like
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: one hundred and one mile an hour fastball, but he
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: doesn't have much with his other pitches, and so it's like, Okay,
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: just don't get beat by the fastball. Because he doesn't
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: have curve, he doesn't have a change. You don't have
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: to worry about that, and like.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: His fastball is really good, but if you can just
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: not get beat by the fastball, you're okay. Yeah, I'm
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: very again. I think his trajectory is super interesting with
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: exactly because he in his tape showed like he's a
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: guy who understands, Okay, I'm gonna do this move in
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: the first quarter, and I'm gonna do it again, and
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it again, and then in the fourth quarter,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you think I'm doing it and I'm
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: gonna do something else. I'm gonna beat you. So he
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: understands plan and preparation. But I just yeah, I wonder
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: with the overall size and how he's built, it just
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: does that catch up with him at some point because
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think like it's gonna be a tough tough
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: for him to be a dude that's gonna go speed
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: to power and go through somebody's right his size, So
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: then you're only really.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: Him getting caught up in the shoulders.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the issue like if he if dudes
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: get hands on him, even at the college level, Like
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: if guy's got hands on him, it was gonna be
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: tough for him. And you can again, you can prove
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: your your use of hands to be able to kind
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: of free yourself a bit, but he needs more. I
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: think of an inside move to be able to threaten
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: that inside shoulder and pair it with the exactly impair
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: with that outside or a spin. It could be anything.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: It could be a spin, it could be a stab
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: and a rip. It could be anything. Although like everything
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: is just so outside base, whether it's just then, whether
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: it's interesting.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: Point to what you're saying is like, I wonder how
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: much of this preseason he's using as an opportunity to
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: test his fastball and be like, how copast is my
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: fastball at the base.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Level, right, and they can hit it type of stuff exactly.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, like he is in a
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: position battle, like how much grace does he have to
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: do stuff like that. He's not a vet where he
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: can just go out there and like there there is
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: a counter argument to that, But you do wonder how
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: much he's like, all right, this is my best move.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: Let's see how it works against Darnell Wright, you know
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: what I mean. But yeah, TBD, I am encouraged about
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: what we saw from him, at least the nuances of it.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: I agree. I agree, and I want this again, just
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: chain chaining more moves together, being able to transition, having
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: counters built in the things. There are ways that he
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: can win and I'm just interested to see like kind
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: of how he puts that together. And I do think
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: there were a couple reps that again not the end
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: of the world, and some of the Bears had like
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: six and seven guys in past protecting with chip help. Yeah,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: but a couple of the reps with the starters, it
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: was disappointing seeing the Bears be in like third and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: long and Caleb Williams just have time to kind of
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: sit back there and be like, oh is anybody open?
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Is anybody open?
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: Definitely problematic on the four man rush, yesportunities.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Well, the one that I'm thinking of is right on that.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I think first driver, second drive where he hits DJ
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Moore on like third and twelve third down. Yeah, but
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: they keep in so it's a five man protection, but
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: they keep in the tight end and the running back
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: who each chip on Rousseau and at Panesso, So that
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: helps a little bit, but still you'd like some kind
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: of penetration. It was just like a perfect pocket for
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, and there were a couple of those today,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: So I would like to see that off of the bit.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: Too, Like, yeah, I'd like to see improvement off of that.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: But also I found it a little bit tough to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: evaluate the edges from a pass rush perspective because of
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: how many play Action boots.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: There were, and there were so many.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they got them outside and move the launch point regularly.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Which I which I thought was smart from the Bears
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Williams and you have bagent lean into.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: It, but not even like the Caleb Williams thing, like
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: also just backup quarterbacks in the preseason, like let's try
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: and evaluate everyone on the field. The easiest way to
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: do this might be to just make the pocket non existent,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: like I don't care about this pocket, Like, let's.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Just launch point.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: It's over here like this, this is where the ball
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: is being released from. So I just think it was
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: smart to do that. It kind of like we saw
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: Smoot get fooled by a bootleg, like there.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Were no he was I think we disagreed with the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: broadcast on that he read it. He just fell down.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Well that's kind of what I mean.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: Like fooled in the sense of like he positioning wise,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: like he got really wide with it and there was
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: like a massive gap to his inside shoulder and it's like, oh, okay,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: if he breaks it off upfield, like there's contained, like
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: kind of overcontained, and you could see, yeah, he made
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: that cut and lost his footing.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: I was I saw it at first. I was like yes,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I was like bear down on him, no pun intended
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: and then he fell.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: I was just like, oh, yeahah no, he definitely Yeah,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: fooled isn't the right word.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: You're correct on that, but uh yeah.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: There was just a lot of opportunities for the ends
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: to get a sack, and it was just too much
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: space for the quarterback. And like you said, beaigent Williams, like,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: those are two athletic guys. They can get away from you,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: they can get away from the first guy. So yeah,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: a little bit tough to evaluate the edges, but encouraged
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: by Solomon up and down from Kingsley Jonathan, I thought
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: Dwayne Smooth was solid in pass rush, like, not solid,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: I guess solid without production.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Fair, that's a good way.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: That's a good way.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: I like that I was solid without production, Like.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: I didn't have a problem with the way he was
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: pass rushing. The contained stuff in the run game was
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: definitely problematic for me. But yeah, yeah, not a whole
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: lot to glean from this group from this game.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. I think this is what
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping again all twenty two get to see more. Yeah,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: how guys are defending the run, how guys are in
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: their laying in their gap, what's their hand usage and
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: technique like something I will be going back to watch
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: and see. Also really quick note Caleb Williams look good.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: That one throwout on the run was a dart, Like,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to see him. I'm excited to see him
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: in Donsday and Keenan Allen and Moore and Swift like yeah,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: I just think the Bears are gonna be like a
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: sneaky fun team this year. Maybe not sneaky fun. Maybe
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: there's more people on him. I know some people are
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: really in on him. I think like Tyson them Had.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: I think Tyson Had the Bears defense has like a
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: top ten defense for him this year or something like that.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: Top five and like everything. Once they got Montes Sweat
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: last year.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Once they got two things. Once they got Montes Sweat
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: and once Kyler Gordon came back from injury. Oh really
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: that was Washington Boys from a couple years ago. Man,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Kyler Gordon and Trent McDuffie. Yeah, Gordon came back. Oh
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: around the time that sweat got traded, and like I
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: think it was like week six or week eight, and
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: from then on, the Bears I think were like a
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: top ten EPA unit or top seven. They were something.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: They were top five since week like ten weeks.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Sign but if you but if you, if you, if
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: you shave it right to when Gordon return or something
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: like that. It's so and I'm curious about Lawrence has
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: thoughts and prayers to you for having to watch All
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: twenty two on this game. Throw up. Yeah, it'll be
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: funn yeh. I'm excited to see some some of the dudes.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a late ALL twenty two day for
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: me tomorrow. I have to drive to Syracuse in the
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: morning for a baptism and then doing a brunch and
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: stuff after, so that'll be fun. But yeah, probably won't
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: get to the All twenty two until late tomorrow afternoon
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: or early evening, so we'll kind of see. Oh, this
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: is a good comment from Mark. Nothing like a blowout
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: in a meaningless game in preseason to freak out the
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: fan base getting excited about OTAs and bummed about the
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: first preseason game, or opposite sides of the same coin.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I think that's fair. Love that
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: anything else on the D line also got Actually one
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: last thing for me tying into the D line. I
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: also thought too at least with the first team. They
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: weren't really stopping the run either unless they ran run
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: blitzes like they had to send the second level. So
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: I just overall, I think both offensively and defensively, the
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: trench play a lack of push on both sides of
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: the ball. The D line not pushing the offensive line back,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: and the offensive line not pushing the D line back.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: I thought there was just I thought the Bears owned
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: the trenches and created displacement and had more push on
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: both sides of the ball, which was disappointing. Again, the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Bills aren't normally a push type of defensive line. They're penetrating,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: like aggressive type of front, but we didn't see penetration.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: We didn't see push. The Bears very much played on
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: the Bills line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was Yeah.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: My main takeaway for the whole game broadly was just
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: physicality needs to be better in the trenches.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. Anything else on the D line, Nah.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: Now we're good. Let's move it back to the backers.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the backers. LB's no Matt Malano in
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: this game today. So the starters were Dorian Williams and
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Terrell Bernard, and then Bernard gave Bernard gave way to Spector,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: and we saw some Spector and Williams. We saw Andresen
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: and Dion Jones. Deon Jones had maybe my favorite linebacker
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: rep today in the second half where he undercut a
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: climbing offensive lineman on his own block and made a
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: tackle behind the line. What are your thoughts in the
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: linebackers in this game today?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: My main takeaways were Dorian Williams got a lot of
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: snaps twenty eight snaps, most among any linebacker in this
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: game for the Bills, And I felt like he did
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: really well, especially in terms I guess really well is
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: relative to what we saw from him last year. Like
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: you saying that, felt yeah, like the things he improved
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: upon were very apparent, Like you could see him being
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: a lot more sound and trustworthy in what he's seeing
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: with his eyes and translating that to his feet. You
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: could really see him like understanding the blocks come at him,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: which shoulder he should be attacking, if he's trying to
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: shed one way or another, or if he should just
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: stack it and take on the block let someone else
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 5: do the work, Like there were just a lot of
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: little nuances to his game, like in coverage, just being comfortable,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: like sitting behind something for a second and rallying to tackle. Like.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: There were just a lot of good things in terms
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: of how he was processing the game that I took
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: away from Dorian Williams in this game, and I was
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: just encouraged to see that step forward in his development.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: I agree he was one of our guys to watch
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: when we talked when we did the pre show on Tuesday,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: I thought he overall, I just think he's starting to play.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: It seems like he's playing more within himself and more control. Yeah,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: It's not just pure like speed hit someone, do this,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: do that. It seems like he is like, Okay, what's
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: the quarterback doing? Okay, what's this guard doing? Okay, He's
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: reading the route distribution, he's reading the play. He's playing
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: more from I think the neck up instead of just
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: being this uber athletic fast, good length. Yeah. I And
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: again that was in line with what I saw camp
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: and especially at the scrimmage. So I was very pleased
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: with Dorian Williams again relative to what he was last year.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: And he's won too. Like we talked about he's going
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: to get a ton of reps these preseason games, Like
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: even if Milano plays in the second or third preseason game,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: it's not going to be a lot Like you're gonna
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: get a bunch of Dorian Williams, which again I think
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: makes sense given the covered structures he comes from at
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Tulane and needing to adjust to the NFL level from
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: a sophistication standpoint, which was always going to put him
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: on a slight delayed trajectory within his career. But yeah,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: I thought good game for him. What else, anything else
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: from I think overall for me too? Kind of like
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: the linebackers, I thought there were and again this is
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: another one too from a run defense standpoint that we
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: need to put a conjunction with the all twenty two.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: But I just feel like I just felt like they
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: were getting sealed a lot. It felt like the offensive
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: line was doing a really good job climbing to the
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: second level and guys were either out of position or
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: just getting forced in. It felt like anytime the Bears
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: ran a push crack like it was working on the
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: safeties and the linebackers. It felt like everyone's kind of
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: getting caught in the wash. There was you know, the
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: defensive ends weren't weren't containing properly. Guys were getting to
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: the edge, but then there was no pursuit, There was
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: no flow over the top, there was no spill or
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: any type of kind of contained from the second level
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: in tackling. It just felt like a lot of a
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: lot of muck and getting caught up in the muck
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: at the second level.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I can definitely agree with that, which kind of
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: makes it tough to be like, oh, here's the standout,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: which is kind of why I went with Dwayne Williams
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: of the position because it's it's more contextualized with like
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: what he was last year versus then what he did today.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: Very fair, but yeah, I mean it is tough to
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: take away from the linebackers today. I will say, if
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: there's another guy to shout out, I would say it's
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: Joe Andreeson. I thought he was positive, obviously with the
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: story and the context behind where he came from and
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: getting the opportunity with the Bills in the hometown team.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: But he was solid and he's probably gonna make a
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: push for the back end of this group. Obviously that's
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: going to be very dependent on special team stuff as well,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: but he was solid in his time there, he was
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: flowing around well, he made a few tackles here and there.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: So I thought that was encouraging in terms of just
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: creating more position battles on the back end of this group,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: because the whole context behind this group that we spoke
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: about on Tuesday was we need more depth from this
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: group because if someone goes down like it's going to
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: be problematic. So I thought that was a little bit
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: encouraging that we're just going to have more competition at
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: the back and dad of this position group.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: I like this comment from ak Cash say, Bale inspector
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: is like the Tommy Sweeney version of Matt Milano, and
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's so spot on, and I like that.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Oh man, that's good. Yeah. I I don't want to
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: throw the linebackers into the play for the line, but yeah,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: just not great push, not great penetration, not a good
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: job against the run. They really had to like gap
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: out and just send the house to be able to
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: get stop to run and then and then from a
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: coverage standpoint, so completions.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: Over the middle.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: Granted, some of that is due to a lack of
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: pressure up front or having to commit bodies to it.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: But yeah, not not not a great day over I
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: did think not a great day over all for the defense,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: really for the Bills in general as a whole team.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: It's not a great day for the Bills. That's why
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of our positives are siloed to specific individual
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: players or specific moments. Also with them, let's go to
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: the safety actually not safe do let's just do DBS
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: in general? Sure the secondary? Who for you stood out
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: positively or do you don't want? You got a high
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: level thought positively? Negatively? Again, I think secondary is kind
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: of theme of this episode. Tough to kind of tell
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: without the all twenty two from a coverage standpoint, but
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: we did get to see some aspects in some players.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Rough day for my boy to Corey Couch got beat
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: on that deep ball and committed a penalty on it.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Had a couple of nice plays against the run, but
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: I feel like there weren't a ton of standouts. Elam
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: had a nice stop with Chicago backed up on the
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: shadow their own goal line, But I feel like overall
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: this is kind of man from a secondary standpoint, Kendall
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Williams and I thought had a nice game up until
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: he got dude for no reason into a penalty.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, no, I can agree with all that.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: Trying to think standouts for the position, I'd probably go
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: with cam Lewis, kyer Elam and Rasseull Douglas. Obviously, Douglas
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: in the opening drive tough to let up that first down.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: I believe he was the one in coverage against DJ
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: dj Moore, But obviously we talked about the time that
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: Caleb had to throw that football kind of impacts the
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: coverage obviously, so not too much blame on that can't
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: cover for five seconds.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: And I wonder how much of that is, Like were
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: they just playing like a generic like Cover four like not?
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what it felt like, the way like DJ
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: Moore came back to the football in between like four
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: Buffalo four years. But then you know he later in
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: the drive, Douglas comes down with the run fit on
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: the run blitz and gets the tackle on Khalil Herbert.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: So I think just the way he plays and the
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: way he kind of really just seamlessly transitioned into being
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: a Buffalo bill was Yeah. I mean, we see it
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: again today.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: It's it's just.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: Natural for him, very comfortable in this system for whatever reason,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: it just fits him. And then moving on Kim Lewis,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: I just felt like a lot of tight coverage today,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: like wherever he came up on camera. I just felt
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: like he was very sticky in coverage today. And this
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: is yeah, you already mentioned the caveats all. This is
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: really all twenty two needs to confirm these thoughts, But
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: it felt like he was very, very sticky in coverage today.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: I want to see the film, and a couple of
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: people in the commons saying I want to see the
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: film on that that penalty that he had called when
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: he covered o'doonsay, because it looked like he just, yeah, I.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: Thought he was fine on that as well. That was, yeah,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: something I want to look back and see as well. Yeah,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: it just felt like he was very sticky in coverage today.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: That's encouraging from someone who's kind of like a versatile
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: chest piece in our secondary from a depth spot, So
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: very encouraging to see him kind of continue his like
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: slow but steady progression in his career. And then Kyrie Elm,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: just the confidence thing really looked confirmed to me, and
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: that that's why he stood out to me, like he
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: just feels really comfortable and secure in his decision making
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: for the first time. He just you can really see it,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: like there's no panic in his body language postplay or preplay.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: He just looks very comfortable and secure with what's going
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: on in between his ears, and it's just really reassuring.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: Like the throwaway in the end zone, I believe he
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: was in coverage on that one. I think that was
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: to o'doons like everyone or Williams went through his reads,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: had a lot of time in the pocket, then eventually
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 5: gets flushed out and he got flushed out to the right,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: so the only place he could go was to I
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: believe it was dunesday and he had to go out
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: the back of the end zone because of where Elam
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: was in the safety was. So I think there were
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: multiple opportunity or not opportunities, multiple instances where Elam was
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: just tightly positioned. You know, obviously this is very generic
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: zone defense is today, so not a lot of opportunities
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: to make a play on the ball unless you're very
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: very instinctual about it. So I just felt like he
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: was really doing a good job of like constricting space
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: and playing well within that vanilla scheme.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: Today, he had one that I liked. I think it
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: was Williams' first incompletion, maybe the only incompletion forum on
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: the day. Actually, I think it. Let me go back
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: to where am I? Where am I?
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: Come?
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: On?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Quarter? Yeah? No, so he had three incompletions. It was
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: his first in completion for sure. He tries to throw
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: that little flat ball to the tight end and the
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: ten En drops it. Elam is in coverage there and
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: you have no idea from the coverage structure based on
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: what I'm pretty sure it was quarters because he wasn't
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: sitting there in the flat, but he's he's kind of sitting.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: He shuffles a little bit, almost like he scooches a
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: little bit, and he reads it and as soon as
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: that quarterback start, he's out. Like as soon as william
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: starts to throw, he triggers, like even if the tight
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: end makes that catch, it's second in eight or it's
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: second and seven. And the confidence to quick trigger to
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: trust what he sees, and then the athleticism physically to
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: execute on what he's seeing mentally and visually I thought
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: was nice. And again I like I mentioned I really
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: like that run stop he had with the Bears backed
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: up within the shadow their own way. I forgot about that. Yeah,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: that was a one pack in the box there. I
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: think it was like first down on that drive. That
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: was a nice play from him at a couple tackles
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: where we kind of like fell off dudes a little
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: bit towards the sideliner one in particular that I'm thinking of,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: but I don't know, guys already out of balance. Maybe
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: he purposefully like let up, doesn't want to get a penalty.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I this This was another one too where
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: I felt like I wanted to see more from the secondary,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: but there were so many play actions, there were so
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: many bootlegs, There was so much running happening that I
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, we can't really like judge a ton.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: I'm very interested to see what the safeties played like
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: in terms of what and overall what coverages the Bills
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: were playing in this game from a two high and
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: single high perspective, although they end up they're probably gonna
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: be more spot drop than anything. Daykon Hardy had a
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: couple of nice tackles, got beat on one play but
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: was in was close to being in phase. Had a
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: nice coverage rep on a crosser crossfield. I thought it
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: was interesting that Daykon Hardy wasn't outside and to Corey
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: Couch was on the inside with the third team defense.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting. I'm just to do with
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: the safeties, like I thought. I thought there was a
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: chance Cam Lewis would be with the second team safeties
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: and Hardy would be with the second team defense in
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: the slot. But the fact that Hardy was just third
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: team outside corner I thought was very interesting. But yeah,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: I thought the secondary was pretty much kind of not mad.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: But you can't see him on the broadcast. Nobody had
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: any splash plays, Nobody anything that tremendously stood out. Although
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: I will assume to your point, when the Bears got
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: down there, we're only able to get six or what,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: We're only able to get those two field goals on
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: those drives. They stalled in the low red zone in
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: the red zone in general, and I'm assuming that's happening
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: because of good coverage on the back end that we
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: can't see because of the vantage point. Hopefully the All
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: twenty two will kind of shed some light on it,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: then go, yeah, that's my hope. What else any of
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: the thoughts on the defense.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: I will say DeMar Hamlin looked very secure as well.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: I felt like.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: I felt put at ease with kind of him picking
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: up where he left off from what was it twenty
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: twenty two, Like he was a very sufficient player in
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty two who could be plugged in play. But
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: he looks he looks like he's really progressed in terms
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: of just kind of like rounding the edges of his game.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: Like we used to talk about how he was playing
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: so like out of control, specifically in like run fits
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 5: where he was like the Bills had to deploy him
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: for whatever reason at the time. I remember he was
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: like twenty twenty five yards off the line of scrimmage. Yeah,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: he was in in twenty twenty two. And now, like
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: this might be just because of how quick he's processing.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: He's playing closer to the line of scrimmage, it feels,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: and he's not like screaming screaming forwards twenty fifteen yard
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: or whatever it is to go make the play in
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: the run game. But I felt like he was a
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: very like safe, dependable player in this game. Obviously safety
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: play impossible to really talk about.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: I think he gives enough of a floor in this defense,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Like I don't I think his ceiling is limited, which
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: is why he was a later round pick. But you
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: could still be a very good safety with a limited ceiling.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: I'm still very Like when he was there in twenty
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: twenty two, before he had that life threatening injury, I
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: wasn't too high on him. I wasn't down on him.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: Like I thought you could upgrade over DeMar Hamlin pretty easily,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: but I thought you could do worse. Like he just
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: gives you a solid floor, like he's he's fine, Like
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: I don't love him as a starting safety, but he's fine.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: Like he gives you a known quantity. He's got familiarity
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: in this defense, both with being the bills and then
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: the system at pit that he comes from. I think
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: he has the right mentality for it, the understanding of it.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: So again I'm fine. Like if they went out and
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: got somebody else to start over him, I'm very much
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: fine with that in a perfect world for me, just
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: based on how everything is. Mike Edwards heals up and
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: wins that job, or Cole Bishop heals up and wins
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: that job. But until that happens, or even if it doesn't,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: I think Hamlin gives you enough of a known quantity
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: and explore just could be like okay, yeah, like which
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: is which again isn't great. I think he's I think
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: he's more of a depth guy. I think he's more
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: of like a safety three or a safety four. But
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: again that means if you're safety one or two or both,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: get bags should be sufficient.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not like hurting the team when he's out there,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 5: which is really what I took away from this game.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: He's not a complete liability back there, which he ever
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: truly was. But yeah, he's not taking away from the defense.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's a strength, but I don't think
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: he's a liability exactly, and so but so not be living.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Not being that strength means your upside is limited, your
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: schematic capabilities are limited as a defense, but it also
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: means that you're not deficient. And again, which is that.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: Was kind of his game coming out like very just
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: all around like middling player, who if he progresses, that's
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: a good person to be baseline middling, then just improve
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: off of that everywhere.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Else Ron said this really well, Hamlin's a deaf guy
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, that won't kill you when he has
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: to play. But I love an upgrade I am. I
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: am right there with you. I like this comment from Lauren,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: who says, if you're willing and able, make multiple YouTube
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: accounts so you can like this video multiple Lauren gets it. Lauren,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: you've been crushing it in the comments. Lauren is an
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: extremely smart, very smart lady. She gets it. She understands
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: how the game is played. I like this from Tim
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: as well, saying, if you're not feeling great about the
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: game today, tried hitting the like button. Yeah, that's also true.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: If you're super disappointed with how this game went for
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: the Bills, hit that like button.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: Because we've managed to find the positives in all of
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: this darkness, these two floating faces that you see, we
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: found the positives.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's very fair, and I think too kind of
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: as we wind down here, like my I want to
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: get your closing thoughts on this game, because mine really
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: are like looking at this objectively, like I just really
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: and you were never talking about it before we went live.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: I just feel very mad about this game. Like I
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: think there were players that had good performances like we
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: talked about and not just because you know, it's a
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: bill shown. We got to find something good to talk about.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: There were good performances in this game, but overall, this
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: game just felt like it had a lack of oomph
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: or a lack of urgency to it or seriousness to it.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: Like you talked about it like maybe it was, you know,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: kind of the lack of padded practices you get now
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: in the lack of intensity and physicality that you get
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: in camp, and you know, maybe this is a little
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: bit of a wake up call for them, so on
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: and so forth and all these types of things. But yeah,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: it just felt very It felt very the entirety of
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: this performance. And then when you add in the lack
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: of execution and the lack of fundamentals and just little things, yeah,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: like not set in the edge versus the run and
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: all those types of things. This very much became a
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: game quickly where I was like, I just want to
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: see the all twenty two so I can really get
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: some good analysis because the broadcast I felt like, provided
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: very little based on how the game script went, but
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: also how the Bills kind of came out and how
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: they showed up and just how this game went yet
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: was so I don't want to say disappointing because it's preseason,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it was. It was a game where I
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: just felt very mad for like the entirety of the game.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: A couple of flashes here and there, like we talked about,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: but I just found myself sitting there being like, like,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: I think this felt like a preseason game to me,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: which was the most disappointing thing. Like I wasn't I
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: wasn't like, oh okay, I was like, oh okay, it's
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: the preseason and I haven't felt like that I in
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: like a while.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: For them, Yeah, I mean, it's tough when you go
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: into it kind of knowing okay, like the starters have
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: about a quarter in them, and then the offense goes
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: three and out and you're like, well, that's not a
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: lot of sample size for some of the guys that
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: wanted to see. It's just a bad omen for the
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: rest of the game. So it's yeah, it's it's just
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: tough sometimes when you come in with those expectations of like, oh,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: I want.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: To see this guy, this guy, this guy, and I
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: know I get at least a quarter of it.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: And then you're like, oh, game script just completely screwed that.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: There's no chance I'm going to see as much of
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: that as I want to see. So just a tough
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: reality for game one, but hopefully they bounce back from it. Yeah,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: the physicality thing needs to get changed. The discipline thing
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: needs to get changed. They had eleven penalties today, Like
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: that was that was problematic. The Bears surprisingly had eight,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: so just a sloppy game altogether. But Bills had eight
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: in their first preseason game last year and people were talking.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: About how that was a lot. They had eleven today,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: so yeah, yeah, not great.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that you could tell this was
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: like the opening preseason game. Yeah, like this this first
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: game and.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: Good time for these things to happen, folks.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, iron out all the kinks. I'm also interested too
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: with how next week goes, because because not only do
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: they have a preseason game against the Steelers, they're in
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh for joint practices. I think starting Wednesday, Thursday. Think
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: it's midweek. I think it's Wednesday. I know they're in
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: I know it's joint practices in Pittsburgh next week. I
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: just think I'm not sure if it's Wednesday or Thursday.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: But good on you for looking it up right now.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: So I'm interested to see how that does. Familiarity breed
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: contempt type of thing. Do we get more of a
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: ratcheted up preseason Game two because they did not look
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: good today and because they're going up against these guys
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: day after day for several days.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: When when do they go to Pittsburgh for fifteen Thursday?
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, so Thursday, Friday joint practice and Saturday scrimmage, which
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: will be nice. Ooh, I like this from Charles saying
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: key on Coleman versus Joey Porter Junior should be fun. Yeah.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: Those dudes in Pittsburgh they do not lack intensity.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, like this is true. That's a great point.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: And like really everything we talked about how they got
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: to improve, like it's really going to be put to
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: the test, and how Mike Tomlin coaches that team because
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: they got to play AFC North, do you have to
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: be physical and intense and urgent about everything you do
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: on the football field in the AFC North.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: So good tune up opportunity for the Bills.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: And it'll be nice too. Like we've we've seen Giants.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: Lions are a good example. There's anohing one too that's
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: escaping me. But we've seen some fights and joint practices.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: We've seen some physicality, like get ratcheted up. I think
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: this will be a good opportunity for the Bills to
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: kind of whether you're just going against the same dudes
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: that aren't your teammates for days in a row and
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: you're getting pissed and physicality kind of ratchets up, or
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: just because Sean McDermott lays into these dudes for kind
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: of laying an egg in this opening preseason game. I
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: expect a different kind of performance next week, and it'll
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: be nice to potentially see that. Any parting words for
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: the people, Kendall before we say goodbye.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: No man, I mean, at this point, I feel like
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: the main thing is like it has to improve, Like
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: it can't get much worse than this, Like very very
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 5: poor showing on a lot of fronts. The three and
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: out to open the game for the offense kind of
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: really put the the writing on the wall for the game.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: And then yeah, the defense kind of did the same
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: thing for them.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: So hopefully it gets better.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: But yeah, nothing too much to take away negatively from
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: this game, because it's not a trend yet. I think
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: everyone just pumped the brakes. If you're getting concerned about
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: the season, No trend has formed at this point.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: So let's let's hold on for a second on.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: That they are trendless at this point, even though they
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: are great. Yeah, I knew once that first play and
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: I saw Spencer Brown pull he got met in the
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: hole and knocked back. I literally was like, h oh,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: this is gonna be a day, Like yeah, yeah, it
• 1:28:34
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  Speaker 1: another episode looking into Bill's steelers and kind of dissecting
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  Speaker 1: Saturday for another special edition postgame episode following Bills versus Steelers,
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  Speaker 1: do it for us here on this episode of Disguised Coverage,
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  Speaker 1: for myself Anthony Polhaska, for my tremendous and esteemed guest
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  Speaker 1: as always go Bills